/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6891967
you didnt put my relationships in aw man
better luck next time

100 pages into Bridgman. I think my ability to do rendering or shading is starting to lag behind my ability to do linework / construct. Any recommendations for any books / videos / artists to study on this? Think I might take a pause on Bridgman either halfway or 200 pages in or something to learn something of the sort.

>>6891988
Whoops, no image.

>>6891967
Look ma, I made it into the OP!

I'm so fucking slow at progressing the Meds Map course, jesus...

>>6891967
look ma i'm in the OP

up

>>6891967
Yay
I'm front and center

>>6892051
That stool looks insanely uncomfortable. Pink one's ass should also be squished since it's were her weight is.

>>6892051
actually the basedcube is in front and center

This is my most recent drawing? What level am I?
From my own perspective, I might be High-/BEG/.

after 80 pages of misery I think something is starting to click and while I'm still shit, going through the book is not as tedious and starting to get dare I say it.. fun

>>6892094
level garbage

>>6892101
Okay.

>>6892051
Looks like caveman art from the days before perspective was invented

>>6892094
anon, you need better taste. what the fuck am i looking at

Tried doing some 30sec gestures and got humbled. Are they supposed to look like shit and are they only used to improve drawing speed or is there something else?

>>6892103
acceptance is the first step

>>6892110
you are supposed to draw what you can, not race to finish

>>6892109
I like Big Bitches. I'm a simple man. I can draw anything, but I choose to draw what I like and have fun with it.

>>6892110
first time i see someone gesturing insects

>>6892114
it's fine if you like big bitches, but this is not appealing. focus on your drafting quality, gesture, and proportions instead of color. Even if you tell me it's because of stylization, don't use stylization to cover up your weaknesses

I'm not trying to be mean

>>6892094
its literally garbage

>>6892121
It's all good man. I knew I was going to get flamed. when
But what do you mean by "Drafting Quality?" Never heard the term before.

>>6892123
Thank you.

>>6892110
I haven't really fucked with gesture much but honestly I don't see those as terrible. Most pretty clearly indicate the pose with workable proportions.

>>6892127
You're very welcome.

>>6892124
the quality of your lineart itself is unappealing. drafting is mark marking, your drawing technique itself. Your issues are all to do with fundies. It might sound like a meme but it is not.

>>6892094
Your lighting seems inconsistent. Her breasts and tummy seem like it's up and to our left, but her ears and her shin look like they're lit from below. The top of the ear should be in the light if it's from above, and there likely should be some shade from under her kneecap.

>>6892130
Oh, Mark-Making. Well, thank you. I'll be taking this into future consideration.

>>6892097
I mean good on you for sticking through I guess. I noped out after only a few pages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpaPWuDQUcc

>>6892138
>>6892127
>>6892114
>>6892103
>>6892094
youre ngmi you know that right

>>6892137
Oh. Thank you. I'll keep that in mind for lighting my next drawing.

Alright FINALLY got to draw more complete human figures. I could only do three today (stupid headache), but I managed to do some at least.

I struggled with making sure the head was the right size, though here the common issue is the head size was too small (though not majorly small), and I did also screw up with the abdominal muscles on the bottom one (didn't adjust it for the perspective and bend) as well as the limbs not looking too great.

I am at this point where I can recognize the errors in what I draw (which are reference based so it makes it quite easy), though still can't fully control my hand my hand feels at least 30% better than it was two weeks ago, but still not great at all.

Though after doing these drawings my confidence is improved considering how poor my initial human figures were a few weeks ago, but still not great and have a long way to go.

At least now, what I draw actually resembles the reference image.

>>6892094
I'm gonna say almost mid/beg/
You'll get there, as long as you put the effort in
>>6892110
30 sec gestures are generally not for beginners, you should take your time and understand what you're doing. That being said, these are pretty good imo. If you can read the action clearly you've done your job

>>6892142
You're only truly ngmi once you admit defeat.

>I'm going to sell my drawings for 10 dollars, that's reasonable right?
>You can buy a sketch from Emma Rios for the same amount
https://www.inprnt.com/gallery/emmartian/
I'd hate her if I didn't love her so much

>>6892167
I will not admit defeat.

Here is an apple I’ve been practicing on. What materials can I go for to produce smoother gradients in oil? Or what process’s?

I would like to get smoother gradients and textures like Blair Atherholt.

Is it just me or this Vilppu puts a lot of details into his quick sketches? I feel like I could draw this guy into a circus performer
Is that what a quick sketch is about?

>>6892182
then you will not be ngmi no matter how badly you draw

>>6892170
Ah wait these aren't the originals they are just print. Confidence=restored

>>6891967
nice image, now I want to create a beg gallery generator

>>6892191
draw bigger

>>6892187
Couldn't you soften it with spirits.

>>6892201
Arms are looking a bit long.

>>6892206
it probably is that simple, his demo’s involve pre wetting the surface. Maybe it’s just wet on wet and I need to paint more. Idk

day 92

>>6892229
Very cool anon, I love this.

>>6892191
If you're reading the book, go watch the video course. You can see him draw in real time.

>>6892201
I am the bone of my sword

>>6892201
kek'd

quick study of heads and attempt at stylization

I quite like loomis head construction, I’ve only been doing it a couple days but I already see my understanding of head shape and anatomy improving.
I was wondering about such method though, so great artists still construct heads using guidelines too, or do they eventually “just know” and can make complex body parts on the fly?

Redpill on Pawell. Is he fucking autistic?
He copies books and courses back to back but he doesn't do SHIT.
I just saw him harrassing jap artists telling them that they need Loomis.

>>6892273
Ears are very far back.

>>6892294
Read his blog.

>>6892276
It becomes second nature with enough experience, but you can always go back to the basics if something is causing trouble.

>>6892294
who the fuck is this, why do you retards obsess over literal whos???

Draw this in your style.

How do I improve my lineart and draftsmanship?

>>6892294
he hasnt come to the realisation yet that loomis is a hack but he will get there, i believe in him.

>>6892361

>>6892276
They probably don't go full autist measuring relative proportions and doing some of the exercises you do as a beg, but generally I think most artists do some sort of construction.

Tried to draw an angry angel

Behold, my own wall of practice for last 2 months.
WIP

>>6892361
needed more tittie

I am going to copy Bridgeman twice. Any recommendations on how to go about it?

Hello beg, i got more comms so now i have excuse to draw demons instead of loomis heads. Yay!

>>6892376
i have very high suspicion that fun with pencil is the worst art book i have ever read but nothing definitive yet!
>>6892294
hello mister crab.
1. PYW means post YOUR work, not post pawell's work.
2. i do shit, literally pic related. but i will admit that i have a LOT of studies and not that much originals. But i would rather try to improve than polish turds at the moment
3. it was just a banter
4. the red heads are "copies" from memory using the construction so practically they arent copies cause i never can remember everything perfectly
>>6892273
that is very nice and appealing
>>6892201
did you perhaps see anime called bleach? there is a guy who's special is summoning 9999 swords and using them to fight all at once
>>6892187
you probably have too dry paint
>>6892155
i cannot tell what is going on, you probably want to use canvas as comic page so this scene makes sense to the viewer
>>6892097
hello fellow pain with pencil enjoyer
>>6892094
asking for "level" is pointless so instead i will give you crit: both arms look awkward. the bend one looks outright anatomically wrong, the right one is very awkward, nobody runs like that. the area between her neck and booba is lacking a few skeleton bones, check some anatomy book or simply use reference next time of running woman. the shading of face is not good enough, even furry creatures dont have flat faces. for coomer art i would expect way more details / polish for nipples, pussy, booba and belly. putting whole left arm into shade is okay, but you want to have shading there as well to imply form: so you are missing 1 darker value for shades inside shades
>>6891989
i recc to pick up ballpoint pen, sharpie or something like ink, it will make it way way better and force you to level up line confidence.
>>6892424
before you start make sure you already have fundies down (keys to drawing)

>>6892370
unironically practice drawing lines lmao, if you can't create a long line without using the trademark unconfident sketchy chicken scratch then draw slower until you speed up, just spend like 15 min a day working only on line work and line quality, the rest can be spent on whatever else you feel like, also post your work or else no one will have any idea how far along you are

>>6892429
the first thing I thought of when I saw your demon guy was ganondorf, it's the eyes I think.

>>6892294
>hey guys, I'm a faggot trying to bring in drama and gossip because my ax wound hurts
Shouldn't you be posting in an ai thread?

pawellcord woke up

>>6892229
Really love this one, I would normally say to get cleaner lines but the sketchy look feels intentional so the only thing I would change is the size of the hands and maybe some minor shading changes, tried to stay within the style you were going for. Take a look

I just finished drawing something relatively competent without tracing my reference and really enjoyed it. This drawing shit is actually pretty fun. But I gotta ask for those who have done Drawabox, is it actually as useful as everyone says?
I enjoy the concepts it’s teaching and even though I suck I still feel like I derive something from it. But I legitimately get sleepy while reading the instructions and lessons, moreso while actually doing them. It’s probably closer to a chore than enjoyable but I’m assuming it’s worth doing even if it’s a chore?
I’m doing the homework before the 250 box challenge for context.

>>6892410
Keep it up. I'de recommend figure drawing to get a better idea of human figures, some perspective studies will help with Areal scenes and foreshortening

>>6892486
Thanks for the redline. Currently starting with vilppu, hope something will stick. What kind of perspective studies would you recommend?

>>6892051
btw the asscrack on the girl with blue hair is too much

>>6892496
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en try this site if you feel like it, has a lot of different people/poses

>A friend of mine gives me his tablet because he upgraded to one with a screen
>I've never really drawn before
I guess the first thing I should do is get over my shame, so here's a graphical shitpost.

>>6892509
i like the skull in the middle there

>>6892419
Love it. Doing very well my friend wagmi

>>6892429
Back to Krita I see

Really proud of this study. Feel like I'm beginning to make it

>>6892187
I thought this was a prolapsed anus at first glance

>>6892549
Now apply perspective

working on this way too long

>>6892146
when someone sits, it's usually not the stomach/waist that folds or bends, it is really only the legs that move up or down. Generally speaking, the torso and pelvic point in the same direction unless you're doing a more expressive pose.

>>6892556
IT LOOKS more like salmon to me anon

w-what boards are you looking at weirdo

>>6892574
>Anonymous 10/16/23(Mon)23:10:53 No.6892574▶

actually now that you mention it

it does kinda look like a prolapsed anus

day 2 of learning the basics. simplifying the values with some line confidence practice(camel and shoes). I think my hairy lines are gone for the most part, but they are still so wobbly, not to mention i keep rushing some parts without even realizing. The laces of the shoes also completely filtered me. Drawing bigger will prolly help a lot.

ktd continues, plus some more 25 minute basic shape scenes to practice worst-cases where there isn't much to measure from. also a pumpkin. needing a nice "pencil wash" brush for csp since my normal pencil is tricky to get a smooth value with - any recommendations?

>>6892549
haha, studies for inktober? what was the original reference?
>>6892509
good keep posting
>>6892419
>>6892561
>>6892229
>>6892187
solid, like it

>>6892593
This is the original. I'm pretty new at drawing, only 2 months in, and have never done any ink drawing so a lot of this inktober is learning how to do things in ink like creating value, understanding line weight, learning how to use markers etc
Some have been copying parts and putting them together and others have been from imagination

Psylocke wip again, any crit? got some great crit last time that I implemented, anything else? maybe the face?

>>6892110
>and are they only used to improve drawing speed or is there something else?
the main purpose of gesture drawing is that you learn how to convey actions, form and emotion in very few brushstrokes
the time limit is there so that you can concentrate on what's most important
if you feel that your sketch has captured the essence of your reference, you have succeeded

Is 90# watercolor paper too thin?

Is there a way to use wc pencils together with wc paint without the wc pencils reactivating whenever I paint over it?

Would there be less texture visible with hot press instead of cold press?

Is there a way to desaturate an area that's too saturated? Is there a way to smooth out an area that's patchy?

Is there a way to restore an area to white?

>>6892626
The mouth is at the wrong angle. I think the other nostril should be visible.

>>6892626
take this with grain of salt, i'm still learning.

I've wasted so much time, regressed so much I can't do drawabox anymore. I think I'm too old

>>6892633
You can't go lighter with watercolor, but you can paint over it with white gouache
You get a gray color when mixing red + blue + yellow, so to desaturate, for example, orange you need to add a little blue to it since orange is red + yellow

>>6892626
What kind of criticism did you get?

Whats the secret? How do Asians do this in 2 hours? I feel like I'd take 5 on the hair alone.

>>6892674
visual library from having drawn the same topic for years

>>6892094
You should put a bullet through your brain if I am to be brutally honest with you ngl

>>6892429
hey pawell any thoughts on this>>6891921

>use pencil and paper
>everything seems ok, drawing is fun
>use pen tablet
>pen feel shaky, lines are wobbly, can't get used to this
is my pen/tablet defective or i'm just digitally retarded?

>>6892718
Need a bigger tablet probably or increase stability

>>6892718
Show example

>>6892718
took me a year to get used to the wobbly lines on the ipad. I can't imagine how difficult a pen tablet would be, given that it is screenless

Trying to use sharp shapes. Any critique suggestions or feedback?

>>6892718
Tape paper over your tablet so you have some familiar friction to work on.
Make sure your tablet area is set to proportion in whatever software you're using.

>>6892718
you'll get used to it eventually

>>6892187
Looks like the head of a carrot

Why the fuck is the documentation and training processes for learning art so fucking shit? There are thousands, and thousands of artists. Thousands of writers, of people certified with IT, of people versed in knitting, sculpting, etc, etc. But woe fucking betide you if you want to find a consistent, clear plan for learning how to draw that isn't fucking hogwash.

>>6892750
what do you need help with? I feel like learning to draw is pretty clear

>>6892750
because everyone has a different way to draw and it doesn't necessarily works for everyone.
most people who are self-taught stumbled through a bunch of tutorials themselves to reach to their current point and you can't really make a clean-cut plan that's for everyone because different people takes different time to grasp a different concept

retard

>>6892750
just remember this: loomis is a hack

>>6892750

fucking cringe final boss clothing folds fuck you

>>6892750
too little room at the top, too much money in peddling bullshit advice. general interest in spreading mysticism about the trade especially now that ai image generators are so good

who else

who else
who

Any critiques of this chick?

And why not throw in her big sister i just finished painting

direction of growth, relationships
im on autopilot now its so easy

is pawel the ultimate permabeg?

>>6892800
Her face feels a bit lopsided. Her jaw is much more square to our right and her eyes look to be different heights and widths. One thing that might help is not drawing your character head on, since then you won't have to worry about symmetry nearly as much. In your other painting its harder to notice any flaws in the face because her head is turned.

>>6892838
nah, this one was pretty good actually >>6892429
I kneel.

>>6892626
here's your crit
take your picture and flip it horizontally in photoshop or directly on your phone

Can someone explain the whole “make sure to always flip your image back and forth” thing to me? Started a few days ago but I genuinely don’t understand why making sure something looks good while flipped is a concern. Doesn’t the artist draw it one way to be seen that specific way, and flipping it looks odd because it wasn’t meant to be that way? Or is there some technique here that I don’t understand yet?

>>6892855
if you stare at the same thing too long it will look normal even when it's very unbalanced

>>6892855
Things can get skewed but your brain will autocorrect it so you won't notice, when you flip the image it's like a new picture to your brain so you see the mistakes

>>6892855

Because the artist becomes blind to the errors he made. Flipping or mirroring the picture will 'reset' your eyes and make you see the fuckery going on that others can see but you can't.

Today's achievement: turning a smiling young girl into a 40+ derpy face woman

>>6892838
yes but maybe reilly will save him once he realises that loomis is a hack

>>6892861
don't draw individual teeth.

>>6892861
A couple reasons she feels old are that you gave her very pronounced nasolabial folds, didn't give any volume to her cheeks, and gave her proportionally small eyes. To try and put it simply, round, soft features, with enlarged eyes are typically associated with femininity and youth.

This video proves you can't draw cubes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTc-42_g3zc

>>6892873
Never been interested in painting cubes, don't care.

>>6892861
Cute Greta Thunberg

>>6892361
She's too beautiful for me to mock with my poor artistic skill. Such an altar of beauty deserves only the greatest craftsmen of the visual.

Tips on bettering line control while using a graphic tablet?
I'm pretty ok with it physically but real shit when i switch up to digital.
inb4
>Just draw more digitally

>>6892986
Just draw more digitally
calibrate your shit
use a tiny bit of smoothing
or git gud

HELP MAMA

>>6892986
tape paper over it

>>6892728
When using sharp shapes and high contrast the issue becomes making things readable. I believe Mike Mignola (his work from 1989 onwards) is a good artist to learn from given what you're trying to do. Certain areas are a little ambiguous: the highlight on the right leg doesn't entirely read as the outline of the leg and gets overpowered by the separating line in the background. The use of small white marks for highlights works against the "sharpness" you're going for IMO, especially with the end of the right pigtail, kind of rounds things out; economy of shapes is key here I think. Take my advice with a grain of salt. Otherwise, good job.

>>6892728
Looks great

>>6892861
Looks great

I am feeling down cause I don't seem to get how to make something as basic as the front view of the human body in proportions

>>6893052
try it with this. Use reference

>>6893053
Thank you friend, that seems really useful

I won’t be drawing this week.

>>6893068
Why?
Are you super busy with something or are you just gonna spend all that time gooning and watching family guy shorts instead?

>>6893072
I stopped drawing because you people told me I was NGMI.

>>6893074
You're only truly NGMI once you accept defeat silly anon.

>>6893076
You only think that means anything because you’re a moron. Maybe you should’ve tried being helpful ever.

>>6893081
pyw then so you can get help

What other basic exercises with space can you recommend besides rotating, moving, scaling, and mirroring.

>>6893107
addition and subtraction

>>6891988
Have you completed drawabox before tackling Bridgeman? ngmi if not.

>>6892750
go to a proper art school then.

>>6892813
was the goal to draw a hoodlum nigger

>>6893116
Blah blah blah. I've done draw a box, and would not recommend it to anybody. I've also done marvel, gesture and anatomy practice.

>>6892429
I do have some sumi e ink sticks and brushes I'm interested to try. Maybe that will be a project soon.

>>6892750
lmao just read loomis

>>6892750
There's a lot more information and curriculum now than even 20 years ago anon. It was much harder to teach yourself pre-widespread-internet. Now the only limiting factor is yourself to be honest.

Do you like sad comics?

>Can't even do the Picasso
Holy shit I'm fucked

>>6893200
Post it.

>made it to the OP
nice
>>6889783
Tried to be more careful this time about line thickness, but I ended up overdoing it on a few places. oh well, enough hecking boxerinos for now, I'm going back to anatomy

>>6893217
free hand boxu's? very nice

Sure Bridgman, whatever you say.

>>6893205
>>6893205
That's the issue, everytime I make a line I have to revise it because it looks fucked somehow compared to the rest of the drawing and I can't complete it. It's 100% on me and I'm not giving up, but how did some other anons do it when they were beginning?

>>6893230
Give yourself a set amount of re-do's before you just move on.
>how did some other anons do it when they were beginning?
I just went line by line trying to be as accurate as possible, which is the point of those exercises. I often drew too large because of it.

I want to try doing some ink wash painting, give me ideas of things to paint.

Not drawing today i'm too tired.
I'll do it tomorrow and plenty on thursday since its my day off.
Good luck with all your stuff fellow /beg/'s

day 93
oh right, i forgot wasnt supposed to draw from life, im a moron

>>6892361
I wish this woman materialized in my room and knee'd me in the stomach
>>6892429
ha i can tell which krita brush that is
>>6892584
oh i did that skull too, those boots are clean af btw
>>6892800
idk i like it
>>6892861
soul
>>6893190
is this a "sad comic"?
>>6893200
the entire point is that someone who hasn't done it before can't do it

day 93
oh right, i forgot wasnt supposed to draw from life, im a moron

>>6892361
I wish this woman materialized in my room and knee'd me in the stomach
>>6892429
ha i can tell which krita brush that is
>>6892584
oh i did that skull too, those boots are clean af btw
>>6892800
idk i like it
>>6892861
soul
>>6893190
is this a "sad comic"?
>>6893200
the entire point is that someone who hasn't done it before can't do it

>>6893014
Thanks for the advice, makes sense. I'll try to make things as readable as possible going forward. Mike Mignola is a legend, a really great reference point

>>6893021
Thanks

How important do you reckon more advanced perspective is at the beginning? I mean actually studying it in depth (for backgrounds and stuff). I (like everyone else I guess) enjoy drawing people and subjects more, I have no doubts perspective is crucial, but is it something I should grind at the beginning or should I just focus on more basic stuff like line quality, replicating shapes and proportions, etcetera?

>>6893302
you only need to understand 1, 2, and 3 pp

>>6893302
It depend on how far you are. If you can't take advantage of it because you can't replicate shape or proportion stuff accordingly it's a waste of time.

Tried my hand at shading an egg. Feels a bit off. Like there's an edge around the darkest shadow and if you felt it wouldn't be smooth like an egg. But I also didn't want to overwork it. I wasn't sure if I was getting everything darker than my reference actually was.

>>6893324
Unironically, if you want to shade traditionally, you should hold your pencil the Proko way, with the long point. It also helps to use nicer materials, as you can get nicer tones that way. With trad, it really is pay to win

>>6893056
nta but go check out the marc brunet art school video for that portion, he has an exercise for practicing/memorizing the proportions by filling it out that sheet. You can do it on your own, but it's just nice to see an example.

>>6893277
It looks 3d, how?

>>6893377
Do you remember if its a youtube video or the actual paid course?

My drawing of a gun and my construction for drawing the gun

>>6893404
its not finished by the way thats why it looks bad!

If you took, and did well in more advanced (than base level) art classes in high school, obviously you're still gonna be /beg/, but a lot of beg suggestions seem way too rudimentary for me, what is a good progression, or start from that point?

Will artistic ability serve as a good substitute for genuine human connection?
I've got a lot of free time to burn on the account that i'm lonely so would be cool if i could kill two birds with one stone.

Tonight sketches
Any critique frens?

>>6893393
It's part of the actual paid course, term 1. Go check out the /ic/ study torrent >>6862685

Also on occ

>>6893410
i also did well in high school art classes and won state awards and stuff but id consider myself beg too, honestly just learn the basics it helps a lot. a huge issue was my classes never covered foundations they were just like draw this still life with charcoal! the only thing I got out of it was measuring proportions

>>6893438
Cheers, man

How do I sketch hair after drawing the head in the cross and circle? How do I bottom-up perspective?

>>6893423
typical proportion problems
you could do with some head/face studies
the way you draw internal lines doesn't feel the form well
maybe try using a brush without pressure-size for a bit

>>6893423
copy already stylized drawings some decisions make them look flat and floaty, for example I don't much overlapping between shapes/lines.

https://thinkinganimation.com/Handouts/WaltStanchfield/43ws_perspective_rules.pdf

>>6892361

haven't drawn since elementary school but want to get better at doing landscapes to enhance my 3D work, any other scene artists here? What resources would you recommend? Forced to do small multiple lines because my intuos is old and extremely tiny so one small wrist flick and I'm across my screen. Aside from that, this is my 3rd drawing testing my old intuos, it's kinda hard to feel the volume of shapes but I tried my best

Hand

>>6893508
definitely buy a bigger tablet if you're at all serious about drawing

>>6893508
maybe a perspective book? i like perspective made easy. there’s a few courses on online-courses dot club too i think.

>>6893515
Definitely will, my draw area is 6 inches with this intuos but I'm on a 2K 27" monitor, shit zips and it's starting to hurt my wrist. Been looking at a used Intuos Pro Large, size is nice for sure

monster for inktober i drew. I need to draw more but my ADHD brain rather watches youtube shorts and twitch. I'm a lost cause. Wish you could call your Internet provider and tell them to block these sites for like 23 hours a day kek

>Tfw these are gesture warmups for a skilled artist
>Can't make a single one trying my hardest

>>6893517
Thank you, gonna check those out.

>>6893521
I don't let myself watch youtube before 5PM. Helps a lot.

more heal slut

>>6893052
look for will weston's figure drawing classes

>>6893528
If I try to impose rules on myself I always break them, no discipline in my soul.

>>6893543
alright if you want to keep believing you're a lost cause, it's your life. Nobody can be disciplined for you and figure out your shit, just you. I have adhd too, but I'm 32 and seriously, you have to get your shit together or your fucked

did some quick colors

>>6893542
>>6893053
>>6893377

Trying front view from memory (Still got no idea how to do calves, yet).
How bad are these?
https://i.imgur.com/PJyFXSF.png

>>6892187
I like it, but it looks like a christmas ham

>>6893521
https://getcoldturkey.com/

I started drawing about 3 days ago and I got a little bored of drawing boxes, so I decided to try recreating and studying a piece of art I saw that I liked. This was the result.

I wasn't exactly trying to copy it 1:1 because I knew it was probably out of my skill set, but I tried to get as close as I could. I realized about halfway through that some proportions were off, like the shoulders, neck, face. I should have gone back to fix them before I got too far in, but I opted to just kind of work with what I made instead. I tried to compensate the shittier proportions using new shadows, kinda winged it here and there based on what I felt looked better in my shittier version.
I don't know if I got as much out of this study as I could have, I mean I tried to think about every decision the artist made and why they did what they did, but I'm worried I glossed over too much simply because I don't know any better.

I'm not really sure what I'm going to do from here. Continue drawabox for sure but I think I'm going to try and hammer away at anatomy and perspective as much as I can because while I understand them conceptually really well, I'm not dexterous enough to produce them consistently well.

This is such a pain in the ass. Vilppuu shows "yeah don't even worry about anatomy. Look at this rennasaince painting: the arm is just a tube", but that never seems to work out for me in practice. Forearms and lower legs always fuck me up.

Gotta redo the back guy's face. Gonna have to basically do a graphite transfer to clean this up once its laid in.

Day 3 of learning the basics n whatnot. A jumble of simple values, Line confidence and quality. The new thing I was doing today is trying to learn the taper line and having a mindset/purpose to my lines. Also got into sketching stuff by using some line art proko provided in his course. After finishing, my "sketches" they seem more like I was just shittily coping? barely any construction, flow, etc. also I realized it's hard for me to try and get taper lines while also trying to be confident. I focus too much on trying to make each line taper, slowing me down by a lot make lines more wobbly?

>>6893629
day 3? gmi

>>6893629
>Day 3

>>6893629
also I seem to have a lot of issues in drawing in the same size of my reference, at least when I was using those line arts at refs. probably not as important since I can just resize with digital? iunno
>>6893634
>>6893632
we're all gonna make it, frens

>>6893629
ur doing great genuinely, one of those people with natural talent. keep at it, dont beat yourself up so much, and dont let compliments get to your head

Where should I start if I want to learn to draw this?

>>6893629
I also just started and your work gives me hope. Thanks.

>>6893629
No fucking way you are /beg/

>>6893603
this looks pretty solid for a first time

This board is beyond saving. Claims to be /beg/ but sloppily give blowjobs to experts while true /begs/ receive 0 replies.

>I post in /beg/ on occasion and pretend I just started a couple of months ago when I’ve been doing it for 8 years, just to keep them in their containment thread longer
also, when someone makes a thread asking how to do something retarded, I duplicate their pic, do it properly, then use an eraser on the top duplicate with some retarded strokes to make it look like I’m doing it in some nonsense manner to confuse them
and obviously the low effort shit like recommending riven phoenix or fwap, telling them to work in lab and paint in channels etc

Let's not forget we're all here to get better, bros.

>>6893645
try to draw anime girl. analyze what you did wrong, study that, try again. repeat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EefqA7epQzk

>>6892361

>>6892800
Try to focus on proportions and using values to imply shapes. Tried to give you an example with this Nose

all my hands just look uncanny and generally wrong. Pls help

>>6893380
Overlap+lineweight

>>6891965
Thanks!

>>6893691
I'm not the best at hands either, but I made the biggest gains in my life drawing hands from comic books. Because it's all lines, it makes it much easier to copy and figure out the design of the shapes and forms of each thing. I recommend getting the first volume of Bakuman and copying every hand you see. Just go cover to cover. Bakuman is awesome because it's a manga about drawing manga, so the hands take all kinds of cool poses

>>6893691
use a reference and construct with boxes first, it's a xyz problem, fingers bend sideways

>>6893716
Can u post your before and after and how long it took

>>6893719
I never did it myself, but I promise you that it will work. Trust me!

>>6893716
Thanks for the recommendation! I was just scouring google images for some more references so I'll try that out.

>>6893717
Do you have a link to anyone going in depth about that by chance? I feel like I've watched endless courses/youtube tutorials and this is the first I've heard someone explicitly say that fingers bend sideways, rather than maybe showing by example.

>>6893737
they are skewed to the side on your picture and that's what make them look weird. It's a perspective issue, otherwise they're nice

>>6893691
Hands are fun. Just look at your hand and draw it. Used to do that in class instead of taking notes. I think that's why I've drawn left hands a lot more.

>>6893741
Ah I understand now. Thanks for pointing that out, it was in the back of my mind but I ignored it for convenience. I'll make a conscious effort to look for and fix that.

>>6893742
I always forget to just look down at my own hand, thanks for the reminder anon

>>6893486
I see, thanks. I'll try to cram some heads.

>>6893487
Interesting stuff, thanks

Gonna look over this with fresh eyes tomorrow

>>6893765
looking over it with fresh eyes right now i must say it is complete and utter dog shit

how come when i try to re-draw someone else's line art i wind up with an immitation that i'd be proud of if i could actually create it myself, but i can't do anything original with it? it's like i've got a gift for tracing without overlaying one image on the other. when i have to draw from imagination i fall back on childlike symbol drawing, and i've no sense of how to find the middle ground of drawing from reference without outright copying the reference image.

it could be because i'm lazy: symbol drawing is easy because i don't have to think about anatomy, perspective, construction, etc, and 1:1 referencing is easy because you just take one set of lines and re-draw them relative to each other on a new canvas, but when i have to think for myself i shut down.

>>6893796
study fundies

>>6893796
Your skills are the result of what you practice, if you practice copying others that's what you'll be good at. Try studying fundamental shapes but spend half your study time making things on your own. Also post your work, we can't really advise properly without seeing where you're at

>>6893796
study fundies i was in the same situation as you for years. i did well on social media and would get comms but they would take me ages. i’m learning construction now and it takes brain power and more conscious thinking but it works

>>6893796
memory drawing

>>6892423
gorgeous. you have a talent

>>6893765
>>6893768
nah i just think the arm looks weird

>>6892187
this is amazing but its a little too red

>>6891967
This is a brilliant project. It has a bright future and reliable team.We are looking forward to great results.cogwise

>>6893796
I'm in the same boat.
You have to push through though, still force yourself drawing from imagination.

>>6893759
A very smart project
always brings us
excitement to follow.
At the outset I want
to believe that this
cogwise project will do
its job and be successful
at the end of the day.

>>6893347
Yeah, I can see why digital is so appealing. People say you can learn with a cheap pack of HB pencils and a notebook of lined school paper, but it's probably not going to be long before your buying sketchbooks at $15 a pop and whole range of pencils. That need to be replaced and that's just if you only stick with graphite. But you also see people do crazy shit with a cheap mechanical pencil. I wonder if there's a benefit to learning the extreme control required to get a good result with a limited set of tools or if ultimately that's too niche to be of any real use unless you're into ultra-realism.

>>6893805
A very smart project always brings us excitement to follow. At the outset I want to believe that this cogwise project will do its job and be successful at the end of the day.Great project with a very cool idea! These are projects that I always offer to friends and acquaintances, because I believe in their success! Good luck!I believe that this project will be successfull in the future

>>6893796
Doing art by yourself is all about decision making. When you copy works, you copy the solved problems, but you don't learn how to solve, you become a pawell
Either you have to analyze why the artist made those decisions or watch someone draw and explain every decision they're making. The art teachers are here to help
Usually techniques in art are based on how things work in nature so having basic understanding of it could help you. Like lineweight is sometimes based on how light and shadows work in nature

>>6893009

Is anyone else shocked at how naturally art as a whole is coming to them? I don’t mean to say it’s easy, but the more I “just draw” the more I find I’m able to produce things closer to the photographic images I have in my head. It feels like I’m honing a skill I’ve always had but never knew I could actually get better at.

>>6893853
Cool
But can't relate

>>6893796
another life claimed by prokopenkitis

>>6893423

>>6893765
well it’s better than the last one

>>6893857
Incredible stuff, thank you very much anon

Is there ever such a thing as doing too many courses? Obviously I don’t want to follow tutorials 24/7 so I’ll do my own thing each day, but is there anything wrong with basically constantly supplementing your daily activities with professional courses, books, etc?

>>6893952
I think the biggest issue would be to confuse yourself with too many advices / exercise and being able too focus because there's too much stuff to follow.

New knowledge is always a plus, of course, but when you think about it, most course are teaching more or less the same thing, it's just worded differently by the teacher. There isn't a course out there that has some forbidden knowledge that will suddenly unlock your potential.

I don't think you can do "too many", but be sure you aren't trying to trade courses with actual drawing, and you're not just using this as a way to fuck around and avoid to draw.

Anyone else have a problem with losing motivation as soon as you finish a pic? I've been drawing for like 7 or 8 years already and it's always been like this. I finish a pic and then I just don't feel like drawing for a while.

>>6893970
I do, but I train my textures, lighting and quick figures in between drawings I really want to do. If I jump straight to the next idea next day, I fail at everything like there is a cooldown, so I do fundies

>>6893889
In what way?

>>6893796
This just means you've mastered the art of seeing what's in front of you but didn't develop an inner eye/fundies/graphic library in your head.

The way to get good at copying stuff is to copy a lot of stuff. The way to get good at drawing og's is to draw a lot of og's.

Pls help im an adult and my drawing looks like a kids

>>6894076
Did you draw from reference? It looks weird, you drew good looking head, arms and butt but failed to connect it all properly and lost the form of the torso.

>>6894123
Yeah from reference, sadly I scrolled away from it so I dont have the pic anymore. I see what you are saying, thanks. Not sure why it happened though or how to fix it

Started using a 2b pencil to go over sketches and it has eliminated some crutch aspects of using only a 2h pencil.

>>6891988
This is the source of all the best advice ic/ gives. It's shading section is really nice and it explains how line work and shading can get confusing. Too much detail in unnecessary spots can look weird, too little looks too flat.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8VO-JQCy3HgelpRajdPY3RSXzg?resourcekey=0-7iamq2WLg5aaDd3T3I8e1w

>My ability to draw faces just suddenly improved drastically overnight
what the fuck

>>6894178
don't worry it'll fade soon enough

Is there any trick to drawing torsos and the rest of the body in perspective? I see a lot of koreans mainly uses boxes and work from that.

>>6894178
Pyw

>>6894179
>>6894186
shoo shoo

>>6894194
I'm not even le crabbing retard-kun
you will have days where you feel it and some where you don't that's just how it is

>>6894197
>draw something okay one day
>next day struggle to draw a straight line
I won't lie, it was painful.

>>6894194
>>6894197
Same. I just want to see your work. I won't critique it.

>>6894179
it unironically will unless he figures out what it was
It's like relying on a rube goldberg machine, one piece that randomly fell in place will just as randomly fall out again

>>6892094
Why the fuck would you post some saggy tit landwhale monstrosity and ask us to judge it's beauty? You don't bring a pig to beauty pageant. The torso anatomy is realistic, unfortunately for our eyes. But her hand, the leg behind her, and her eyes all have slightly off perspective.

>>6894213
>never been to a livestock show
You got soft hands, boy

>>6892110
I like the bottom right one it has a very elegant body language. They teach you how to convey body language and anatomy with limited lines. Art is all about expression and emotion. It lets you skip all the tedious detail and get right to expressing a body language or interesting pose. If your end goal is art that is brimming with soul like the masters, it's good to practice but please don't do just one thing to study and wait until you perfect it to move on. You should be studying everything at once as much as you can. Crabs have tricked many into thinking they need to draw 100 boxes before they even think of anatomy

>>6892167
The world really doesn't need your horror. Please. I don't want to see that abomination with accurate anatomy and lighting

>>6892187
Looks like a roma tomato to me. Slap a tomato stem on it and call it a happy accident.

>>6892201
Beautiful shading. If all your work has interesting visuals like that, you could already make it as a book illustrator. Don't listen to crabs because I promise normies will adore that.

>>6894209
>>6894197
was about to post it but i dont want my work associted to beg anymore, especially when autists like p*well is roaming around and this abomination >>6892094
guess you just have to take my word for it

>>6894230
Understandable. I don't really intend to post anything but studies here. Especially if I ever draw something that could sit in a portfolio.

>>6892212
You need to finish every drawing. Your teaching your brain to make lumpy ball trees and simple human shaped things. Those are supposed to be the scaffolding that helps you build a detailed full drawing on top.

>>6894232
Yeah same

>>6893796
Study fundamentals in addition to what you're doing + make your own projects. When you do a project there's a chance for you to see how much you've grown and what you still need to practice. You need to have something you like working on on the side that you can always dip into. Unironically why people with OC's at least stick with their drawing habit. It's their personal project.

Make a world, draw some backgrounds, build up lore and characters. That's what I'm doing at least.

>>6893970
I've been like that since I started drawing in grade school. Just have to push through. There's value in finishing things, too. I realized I didn't finish stuff because I was afraid to. I pulled out before I had to solve problems with each piece.

>>6894236
Retarded take. If your understanding of basic shapes and how to break your reference into them is lacking, practicing that act is the best way improve on that aspect.

most recent artwork of mine i can only show.
I'm constantly practicing my art by observing other people arts and how are their process in making them.
I do think i'm progressing quite good, but when i see other people art that are advanced and are able to use diverse painting techniques, perspective and anatomy/pose, i feel that i still have to go throught lots of development skills.
Also, I use color pencils in traditional media cus i realized is a very underrated coloring medium that allows very good arts.
Why i'm writing this? Well, because of what this thread is for, i'm seeking for feedback of the anons from here, just to know some tips to improve my art. Currently focusing on anatomy, realism in human body/faces, color techniques and perspective poses practices. Then will later search how to make detailed objects and enviroments just like how artists such as Nakayama Toru does.
Thanks.

>>6893700
Care to explain for a begtard?

>>6892549
Very cute. Work on line weight. Get a 0.5 pen for more varied line work and mix it with that thick pen. You want thin lines where light hits and thick lines where shading is. Your line art will really shine then.

>>6892596
Nice. Looks like a tattoo design.

>>6892626
Gorgeous head. If you ditched the chicken scratch for confident line strokes and good line weight it would be perfect.

>>6894236
There's nothing wrong with practicing making scaffolding
There's nothing wrong with doing isolation exercises
I did full trees on days 87 and 90, and did a complete human figure yesterday >>6893277
>>6894242
there's value in drawing things out to their completion because it provides you further information on where you went wrong, but you don't have to finish every single practice drawing

>>6893521
Ditch the shorts and read books or listen to audio books. I also have ADHD and books really help with exercising and strengthening your attention span. Short video clips have been linked to shortening everyone's attention span so for someone with ADHD it has to fuck you up twice as bad.

>>6894242
>>6894283
George Pérez famous DC artist and artist of the original teen titans comics gave me that advice. He took a look at my work when I was younger and said to always finish everything. Everything. Every single practice sketch, every single doodle, it should all be a full drawing with a background that fills the page. Now go on and cope and say one of DCs most famous artists was wrong.

>>6894254
Not them, but they followed this rule>>6894255
Thin lines where light hits, thick lines where shadow pools or where lines cross.

loomis is a hack

>loomis is a h-ACK

>>6894299
>when I was younger
So you've been employing this technique for how many years? Can you post your work?

im getting closer to engaging furious monkey ape shit mode where i will simply draw all day every day all night every night until i cant hold a pencil, sleep, repeat.

wife of mine

Hi anons, I've been sketching this for the past 20 minutes or so and I can't help but feel I fucked up severely, but I can't quite put my finger on what I did wrong. I definitely feel something is off tho. Any insight/advice?

>>6894349
perspective, you made the whole figure the wrong angle

>>6894349
perspective is completely wrong, ribcage is angled wrong you added things that you can't really see in your reference
just overlay your drawing over the picture and you'll see just how badly you fucked up
don't feel discouraged foreshortening is a bitch

>>6894356
Can't believe I never thought of overlaying the reference, thank you so much man

I tried

Hello beg, more horror is coming: dirty ceiling!

>>6894252
as tradchad you probably want the piece to keep the trad look even when edited in digital software: learn how to add paper texture to that gradient circle. as it is now it clashes a lot
>>6894136
using pencil to go over pencil sketch is kinda pointless IMHO. Use fine liner, sharpie or pen instead
>>6894076
its okay. nothing fantastic but nothing terrible either. keep drawing adult anon
>>6893970
yes, the moment i finish something, even 1 loomis head i get dopamine hit and afterwards i have to use all my willpower to start new drawing
>>6893952
The supreme misfortune is when theory outstrips performance. Said somebody famous once. You gotta draw more than reading / watching courses
>>6893765
kinda cool, now add some texture to the clothes and or skin
>>6893675
she looks very smug like she needs rape correction!
>>6893623
thumbs up for booba
>>6893562
neck too long
>>6893560
bad value range
>>6893542
i kneel and i coom
>>6893302
there is no such thing as advanced perspective. you either know all 3 perspective rules and can easily apply them or you dont
>>6892750
drawing is lost skill, schools stopped teaching it and as such it is painful process full of chaos where people try to self learn it
>>6892728
chest of a woman isnt triangle. other than that its great
>>6892688
spend more time on canvas before asking for crit
>>6892633
i believe you can sap away paint by simply adding pure water and then drying the canvas with cloth
>>6894349
put your layer into MULTIPLY mode and then simply drag it over your ref to instantly see where you fucked up

Am I into sexy angles enough yet?

>>6894309
>>6894313
Learning construction helps make your drawings more 3d but if you don't practice drawing without them your stuff will look robotic.

>>6894349
Dont have any advice to offer but thats a tricky pose. Pic related my prebeg attempt

>>6894374

>>6894374
Thank you for the (you) pawell

>>6894390
In the ref her hip is tilted and thats why one knee is lower. In your drawing the hip bones are level and her thigh is 4km long

>>6894374
I'm curious where did you learn shading, I only learned to to lineart by now but I want to create shapes with light like you

>draw during downtime at work
>not very good but passes the time
>usually throw away whatever I draw to clear the area for the next person
>get up to leave for the day
>have a sinking suspicion I didn't throw away my drawing
>was drawing a cat girl in a schoolgirl outfit
>next shift takes the desk immediately after

>>6894429
Haha I can’t believe I missed her giant thigh until you pointed it out. Thanks for the feedback.

>>6894477
Maybe the guy will leave a drawing for you next

>>6894374
New 'jak dropped

how does a beg learn figure drawing? i’ve got
>huston
>hampton
>vilppu drawing manual
books to study from. also recently tried the force method for gesture that i think is clicking for me somewhat. how did any of these resources work for you?

How do i actually go about figure drawing? Describe it to me like i'm a retarded 5 year old, step by step. I can read up on the deetz later in Hampton but please do tell me how to actually start a figure drawing.

>>6894580
>draw a circle
>draw another circle
>draw the rest of the fucking body

>>6894577
>>6894580
Do Vilppu's renaissance figure drawing with me anons. Download it from the torrent and start with me. I stopped a few months ago but am wanting to start a thread with people drawing and studying along in various courses. You can check for more resources here, but I've already decided to do Vilppu's because I really liked what I did from him before. Picrel was from 3 minute quick sketch homework

>>6862685 video courses thread


magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0aebc0f02e6c179b62e04c69af3e5adee3abee12&dn=IC-STUDY

>>6894590
Sick, i'll do it alongside Drawabox.
Hope the torrent is legit......

>>6894349
That's a nice ref. Where is this from?

>>6894590
>magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0aebc0f02e6c179b62e04c69af3e5adee3abee12&dn=IC-STUDY
>900GBs
>3 fucking seeds

What course/book exactly are you going through? Could you provide an alternative link or something?

day 94
doing some more work on the girl because I liked how it was turning out

>>6894328
no answer I guess
>>6894374
it's too obvious you copied a stock image from the first page of google images

>>6894606
Vilppu's Renaissance Figure Drawing

Courses>figure>Glenn Vilppu - Renaissance Figure Drawing

here's a link for now, expires in a few days
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64 x 2

>>6894613
>YUhSMGNITTZMeTl0WldkaExtNTZMMlp2YkdSbGNpOWpiRFJyZWtwRVN5Tk1aSFpQU2pOaFdIUTFaRjh5YVV4eUxUQlJkWFZS
I'm not torrent-savy enough terribly sorry for that.
Where exactly do i put it?

>>6894619

>>6894621
Doesn't work and/or i'm missing a step of the process.
I'll just try to find some indie torrents for this tomorrow.
that's what i'm left with
aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZvbGRlci9jbDRrekpESyNMZHZPSjNhWHQ1ZF8yaUxyLTBRdXVR

>>6894622
twice

>>6894622
okay neveremind i just fucking got it.
Disregard, we're back on track

bossu

>>6894632
This is gonna sound weird but,,,,, do you happen to draw futa on /d/?
Pretty sure i recognize the style

>>6894454
A lot of beg books and even some of the perspective books have sections about shades, but it is the Keys to Drawing which has the most complete "guide" about shading and later about rendering: pic related. Framed Perspective volume 2 gets honorable mention.

And no book in particular taught me this messy charcoal / pencil "style", i simply developed as i kept drawing. I had to make my own charcoal and pencil brush back in GIMP which then i later ported into Krita. There is nothing special about the way how i draw these: the more you keep drawing in 1 area the darker it gets (or lighter if i color pick white). If i want gentle gradient i use low pressure, if i want solid line i press harder. If i overdo it i switch to eraser (transparent color) and "draw" until it gets lighter. And i switch between charcoal (large areas), charcoal pencil (medium areas) or pencil (details) as needed.

The fuzzy textures inside the brushes make the drawing look better than it deserves honestly: it hides the brush strokes and invites the human brain to fill in the gaps. The drawing would look way worse if i tried to make it with just hard round brush with opacity.

>>6894612
yes, currently i am slave of the references, hence why i want to free myself and using loomis

I feel like Bridgman is a bit over my skill level. What exactly am I supposed to do here, just try to replicate the teachings? I'm still at the point where I struggle getting proportions right, just get a bevy of posture references and train the measuring exercises until I can at least get the overall shape of the figure right?

>>6894650
What you can try to do is just do simple shape sketching for each part of your observation material then overlay them until you have it right most of the time.

>>6894636
I believe you are mistaken but I took a quick shot at it.

>>6894667
based

>>6894656
Sounds like a good exercise to do, thanks. Then I guess the next part is making them more complex and moving them around to replicate the human body more closely, right?

>>6894632
Blue is just me trying to figure out the body underneath based off the folds, the proportions are slightly off, red is my attempt at fixes or changes I would make but take it with a grain of salt

>>6894685
I'd say that the correct order would be to try to replicate the human body first and then make them more complex, that way you'll understand why things are one way or another.

>>6894343
Not sure if you were going for this expression but I leaned into that eyeshape. Best advise I can give right now for you is try not to make sketchy lines(unless it's a deliberate aesthetic choice, this sometimes works for hair but not for things like shoulders), draw slow and try to make deliberate strokes, it's also fine to have blurry values but you need more confident hard shapes to make it more readable. For the nose I also would recommend using values to imply the shape instead of lines, similar to the shading under the eye. Goodluck

>>6894692
Nice! Thanks anon

new
>>6894715

>>6894349
keep trying, I would start over, you'll get it done even faster on the next attempt. Try to break down the body into shapes for construction and use less sketchy lines. Try to draw exactly what you see.

>>6894377
overall shapes are looking good but I think youre overdoing it with the chickenscratch guidelines, try to challenge yourself and draw 1 or 2 confident lines, go slower if you feel the line doesn't go where you want to. Also try timed figure drawing, it'll train your mind to copy and create shortcuts when constructing the human body in different poses

>>6894365
You've got good solid lines, they aren't scratchy or weak. Keep it up, I think you just need to work on hands and a few proportions, red lines are the changes/suggestions I would make but overall not bad

>>6894255
I'll work on that next. I used a 0.3 for most all of the outline I think and then 0.05 for all the shading

>>6894343
casca?

I feel at least for lips the rendering in Bridgman I should just ignore. Bottom right I did the linework and then just looked away from the book while rendering and I feel like I actually emphasized the forms I wanted to, where as when I try to replicate the rendering as he's done it turns into a flat illegible mess.

>>6894637
Ah..yet another masterpiece. You know? that charcoal brush is not doing you any favors. In fact, I'd argue its completely detrimental for you. Your prowess is already precarious enough and by using a brush that evokes 'rustic' all you are doing is sinking further down into the bottomless /beg/pit you are in.

Don't get me wrong Pawell, I am actually a big fan of yours and do follow your evolution closely. I understand you may choose not to believe this and simple retort with a heartfelt 'its PYW, not MY work crab!! >:C!!' and that would be ok, if you feel like that's a suitable response.

I still won't post it simply because I want this faceless antagonism to be an instrumental part of your evolution, every other hypocritical crab here will just praise you or play nice and kind, but secretly you know well they don't care. I do.

I hope you like this collage I've made. Keep it up.