/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma20-memorable-smile/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

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>>6883796

>>6883831

How should you make it known which way to read from?

I've probably gone a few pages easy in mangas not realizing if they are R2L or L2R
Should I put instructions on page 1, or every new chapter, or just let them figure it out?

What's even the point of making a R2L work if it's not in a language that isn't read R2L?

>>6883885
Japanese is read left to right

>>6883885
Everything I read is R2L, it's just habit at this point. I haven't read comics in years

Also I'm probably going to hire a translator for pixiv and post it in jap as well

>>6883888
Well, if it was in Japanese then there would be no room for confusion.
>>6883892
I read a western comic recently after a long time and came to the conclusion that people are massively exaggerating when they say shit like that. 99,99% of the comics I've read in the last 20 years have been manga and I adjusted immediately L2R without any problems.

>>6883881
If you making manga, regardless whether the script is in JP or EN, it should be formatted the way manga is - L < R.
If it's formatted the western way (L > R) then it is not manga, it is a [manga-inspired/manga-styled]comic or graphic novel.

There is nothing wrong with having a manga-inspired or manga-styled comic, to call it "manga" when it's not even formatted the way manga is is cultural appropriation.

>>6883935
R2L English "manga" is about as manga as a tranny is a woman. If it's not in Japanese, it's just a larp.

>>6883935
>>6883947
Only autistic weeb faggots who can't draw care about these semantics.

>>6883935
>If it's formatted the western way (L > R) then it is not manga
If the creator is not Japanese, then it is not manga.

Any advice for an aspiring combat writer? I've got some decent choreography ability, but I really struggle to put it down on paper. I guess this is really just me asking for action focused storyboarding advice.

>>6884023
I'm 2nd gen living in the US. I'd argue that the niggerians in japan can make a manga, where as my work wouldn't be

>>6883947
>>6884010
>>6884023
>If the creator is not Japanese, then it is not manga.
Wrong.

>be me, ameriburger weeb
>making a manga, true to the very term
>L < R format
>kishotenketsu story structure
>script originally written in english
>machine TL JP script will be uploaded first
>EN script uploaded later

SUCK IT comicfags
If you want to make manga you WILL make manga and you WILL do it properly or else it's just a comic.
There's even an anon in these threads who is not Japanese and works Japanese editor to make hentai manga.
Don't let seething capecucks shit on your dreams.

>>6884043
>machine translation
>properly
Ebin :D

>>6884043
Sorry, you're a LARPing weaboo.

>>6884044
>he doesn't know enough moon on his own to check himself
My sweet dekinai-kun you keep crabbing this hard you're ngmi.

>>6884048
A weeaboo mangaka*

>>6884057
Neither do you, otherwise you wouldn't have to rely on a machine translation.

>>6884060
I do know enough to TL my own work, did it before and native Japanese readers had no problem with it.
It's not like I'm writing some 2deep4u mega philosophical bullshit that needs PhD level scrutiny anyways lol seethe harder I'm doing what you wish you could.

I'll call my work both a manga and a comic for better SEO. It's as shrimple as that.

>>6884070
THIS is the kind of faggot the crabs should be bitching at

>>6884077
I consider my work sequential art, since it's art presented sequentially, but that's not very succinct, and even less marketable. I don't work in the Western comic industry, and I don't work in the Japanese manga industry.

>>6884087
>I don't work in the Western comic industry
Are you a western artist making sequential art marketed towards a primarily western audience? Then you are.

>>6884092
I don't sell it, and I'm not marketing it.
Am I in the writing industry because I write sometimes?

>>6884087
>but that's not very succinct, and even less marketable.
>>6884094
>I'm not marketing it.


lol okay faggot

>>6884097
You got me. I should've said "even less appealing sounding" or something like that. It's not a term everyone understands.

Question regarding crop marks: If I understand, the "bleed" is the area that extends off the page beyond the "trim" (where the paper will be cut). I read somewhere that this is where you put art/content that you want outside of the typical "live" area (where the panels usually go) as it will still be printed. If that is the case, why is the bleed area outside of the trim area?

>>6884066
>It's not like I'm writing some 2deep4u mega philosophical bullshit that needs PhD level scrutiny anyways lol seethe harder I'm doing what you wish you could.
Can you taste the nuances in Japanese and produce Japanese text with actual flavour? Are you able to give distinct voices to characters in Japanese? Pretty much anyone with a head on their shoulders would think you're delusional if you told them that your plan to become a Japanese author involved relying on machine translations. Belittling manga writing with a line like "It's not like I'm writing some 2deep4u mega philosophical bullshit that needs PhD level scrutiny anyways" doesn't really help your case either. The fact that you'd call me a crab for that reveals severe lack of self-awareness.

>>6884133
>why is the bleed area outside of the trim area?
Because the trim area is the margin where the machine will cut it. If your art doesn't extend all the way out past it you could end up with unintentional weird blank spots around the edges of your page.

>>6884144
Didn't read and I don't care, still making real manga. Cope and seethe.

>>6884144
But I do want to answer you because I actually do know how to say the same thing multiple was in moon that's way too easy lol nice try though.
>flavour
kek Europoors when will they learn?

>>6884146
Go on then. If it gets exposure, we might get some 5ch memes out of it even.

>>6884144
>Belittling manga writing
lmao shut up you pretentious cuck everything doesn't need to be super serious melodrama or social commentary

>>6884166
I emphasized the importance of having:
>Text with actual flavour
>Giving distinct voices to characters
I didn't say a single word that even remotely implies what you're imagining in your deranged mind you absolute fucking cretin.

https://tapas.io/episode/2932056
https://medibang.com/mpc/titles/5v2306240526374960025009467/?locale=es

Do you guys do "omakes"? I find them useful.

This thread is so miserable. Does anyone here even enjoy drawing?

>>6883788
If I have flat values (top right), is there any way I can convert the tone to have texture (bottom right) while keeping the original values? I can create a texture layer with a clipping mask to the gray layer, but it only has the tone of the texture.

>>6884033
This isn't a field where general advice will help much since so much depends on each specific sequence and your intent. I could tell you "focus on readability above all else" but that wouldn't account for the times where you might not have exaggerated some pose enough or whatever. I will say that most of what makes punch or kick or whatever work on the page is the gesture. You've really got to exaggerate the poses.

>>6884524
If it's CSP you just change the layer to a tone layer. It's just a toggle in the layer property menu (it's docked in the same dock as the layer window by default iirc). Otherwise idk.

Gomennasai for my autism. Please explain, do borders only go inside the live area or up to the trim line? I don't know where to stop. Where is the page actually cut off during the printing process?

>>6884589
the "default" border is where panels normally sit. But you can choose to expand certain panels all the way to the edge of the page. Pic related is a good example of this. Some panels are at the default border, and the bottom panel is expanded.

Some mangaka, like Yusuke Murata, just expand every single panel. However, you can't expand a panel that goes "into" the middle of the book, because the binding will make the art not visible

>>6884594
I see, so the border for this example page would be at the border of csp's live area?

>>6884589
the page is cut off here. The line just outside of that is for printing errors. You're supposed to draw up to that line in case the page is misaligned at the printer

>>6884589
Depends. If you look at a variety of manga, you might notice that some authors only ever either go to the live are ( or "safe area") or all the way out, while others might go a little into the trim area. It's really up to you, just keep in mind that the trim area is a range, not a hard line. Where exactly within the trim line the print will cut off the page varies by printer. The border of the trim area is the most area you'll get, it's not how much area you WILL have.
Yes, it's confusing. But if you're confused, you can simply it by just keeping important shit (text, expressions) within the live area and the draw the rest all the way out to the edge of the bleed.

>>6884043
You're a weeb, Japanese people are disgusted by people like you

>>6884043
>There's even an anon in these threads who is not Japanese and works Japanese editor to make hentai manga.
Please stop using me to justify being cringe, lol.

>>6884033
watch as many classic jackie chan as you can

>>6884599
Extremely based, thank you!!

>>6884603
>>6884608
Cope losers. I will make genuine manga as an American weeaboo.
You're on a weeaboo website. Manga and comics are not the same thing.

Is making a comic with a super simplistic and barely thought story just made to improve drawing skills and panel layout for some years worth it if for now I just care about improving my character design skills alongside other fundamentals like perspective and inking/detailing?

>>6884752
Well, the story is the whole point of a comic. If the core is rotten, the whole thing falls apart.

Practice making those 2 page stories that the Shonen Jump editors talk so much about

>>6884729
You're the one coping, kid

>>6884760
I'm a weeaboo on a weeaboo website, the one coping is (You)

>>6883881
You should follow the direction of your natural language
English -> L2R
>>6884752
If you are going to be working for years on a project, you probably want some kind of decent foundation. It only takes a few weeks to come up with a half-baked story that's good enough for a few years of work
>>6884043
>>6884763
You will never be a real nip

>>6884768
>You will never be a real nip
But I will create real manga
Cope, capeshitter

>>6884752
Your wording worries me a bit. A 'super simplistic' story is fine, but it shouldn't be 'barely thought' out. Short comics are good for improvement, but if you want to see results you should push your skills to the limit each time in terms of art and story, and constantly analyze where you can improve or elevate your work with each iteration. Even a simple story requires thought in how to arrange or present it for maximum emotional effect.

If you are looking to train specific art skills like perspective, design, or inking it is probably better to train those specifically instead of in a comic. When making a comic I notice I tend to go into robot mode and my skills stay the same and I make the same mistakes until I finish the comic. It is only after that I start analyzing what I did. However it may be different for you; if making a comic keeps you drawing every day it can help you improve quickly.

Anyone got tips for interiors/backgrounds? Maybe a video or some advice from a pro?

>>6869436
>>6872826
Update: I sent in the this latest iteration, and waited patiently for a response, which arrived today.
>ネームを拝見しました。これで、完成だと思います。台詞については、編集者が自然な日本語に直す必要がありますが、ストーリーについては問題ありません。
ヤッター!! We did it bros. Now we just need to work out the payment processing, and he wants me to do a sample page as essentially an art test to see if the inking/finishing is up to snuff. Just waiting for him to send me their page template now, then I'll be doing that.
He specifically wants me to sketch, ink & finish a page of my choosing from the storyboards (one with a background & naked characters because duh), and send in the sketch, inked and finally toned versions as I complete them. No deadline on this, or on the complete work either.If I pass this, I assume he'll let me loose to complete the work on my own time, so assuming my finishing is up to snuff then I'm as good as hired (well, commissioned, but you get it). This is the final hoop bros, lets hope I don't trip on it.
Then it's just a simple matter of finally drawing the thing. All 59 pages, lol. I'm surprised it's allowed to be that long, all the works I see in their mags are in the 30 and 40ish page range. I expected there to be another round of storyboards to cut down on the page count, but he hasn't brought it up.

>>6884752
Listen to this anon >>6884803. Personally, I find myself improving even as I make works, but he's right in that you need to push yourself. If you don't want to draw comics then that's fine, the story can be nothing, but if your goal is comics then training your writing is just as important as the visuals themselves.

>>6884804
Interiors are typically just a bunch of boxes. The hardest part is figuring out what to fill them with, and to that end refs are your friend.

>>6884810
Congratulations anon looking forward to destroying my dick to your work on pururin fr

>>6884839

>>6884810
I'M SO JEALOUS.

I NEED TO BRUSH UP MY JAPANESE.

TIME TO IMMERSE AND DRAW LIKE HELL

YEAAAAHHHHH

>>6884810
Why do you want to release in Japan?

>>6884873
They pay money. That's pretty much it. Plus it's a neat challenge, dontcha think?

>>6884875
I feel like making comics is such a huge waste of time but I 100% want to do what you're doing (besides the porn). Going to learn Japanese now.

>>6884884
I dunno if you realize this but I did not learn japanese, lol. Prioritize learning how to make comics. We have tools to help with the language barrier, but there's nothing of the sort for the actual making of the comic. >>6884867 You too.

>>6884884
I dunno if you realize this but I did not learn japanese, lol. Prioritize learning how to make comics. We have tools to help with the language barrier, but there's nothing of the sort for the actual making of the comic. >>6884867 You too. At this point if I fail it'll be because of my lack of drawing skill, not my lack of language skill. It's a low priority.

>>6884888 (me)

>>6884867
>>6884884
Correction: it would have been easier to do this if I knew japanese better and could attend meetings over the phone. It didn't turn out to be a requirement only because this particular publisher was gracious (or desperate) enough to give me the time of day. I can't say the same for any of the other publishers I reached out to with the same sample of work.
So if you can know japanese AND get good enough at making comics to be published then by all means go for it, you'll have a lot more options.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg9uYxuZf8x_A-vcqqyOFZu06WlhnypWj
For learning Japanese, I recommend going through Cure Dolly's stuff, starting from the first video even if you aren't a beginner. It's quite likely that you've been taught even the basics like は / が wrong. The presentation is a bit unnerving and it isn't the most pleasant voice for ears but the content itself is great.

>>6884909
I love Cure Dolly! I try to consume an anime episode a day. I should probably be doing 2-3, but it takes me 60-90 minutes per episode

DJT is really into VNs, but I'm a bit averse to installing hentai games on my computer, so I think I'll just move onto LNs when anime starts to become easy

>>6884909
here's a transcript so you don't have to be subject to a 50 year old guy's gender roleplay fetishes

>>6884912
Cure dolly is NOT a 50 year old man.

Here she is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUKigKY0grs&t=63s

She was in an Amish-type cult apparently

>>6884911
No bullshit listen to those how-to-speak-(language) videos while you sleep you will unironically learn faster because your subconscious already knows certain things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YV8KmfBbBM

Japanese? That's so last week, I'm going to learn Luxembourgish and create OLL Manga.

>>6884943
Based
>ywn make Swedish OHL(Hindi) manga

>>6884810
Whew nice anon and good luck. Don't forget us when you make it big ok?
Can I leech off yo- I mean be your friend, ウチ、普通に自然な日本語喋れますけど…

Tradfag here
I'm a little scared asking this here because I prefer an analog approach and I'm not food with digital yet so heres my question

What are some alternatives for screen screentones? I don't wanna spend some tones that I pretty much not use after buying and if I did i have to cut them precisely and directly on the manuscript which im scared to try and I have shaky fingers when handling a small cutter

>>6885050
Work around your limitations I guess. Just don't use screentones. Design characters that don't need 'em. Get used to doing clean hatching when you need a mid-value. Compose things knowing that you're not going to have screentones to apply value. Plenty of pros make little use of screentones too.

>>6885056
nta but all my favourite artists make generous use of screentones, very hard for me not to 'think' in term of tones

>>6885117
Gotta work with what you've got I'm afraid. If it's hard, well, it's hard.

>>6885050
I saw a guy on here a while back that was using a toothbrush to splatter ink in a masked off area, mimicking a tone effect. It looked cool too, although it might be hard to control values precisely. Otherwise, I would just scan and do digital tones, it's just far above easier, cheaper, and faster. Actual tone sheets as I understand it are expensive if you're not buying them wholesale, then when you inevitably fuck up, you've fucked up your page and your expensive tone sheet. It just sounds like such a nightmare.

>>6885050
just scan in your trad art and tone it digitally. Takes no digital skills to do that

How does it make you feel that Japan has won the comic war? Like there is no coming back from this. People are only going to get more autistic which means people are only going to read more and more manga. They offer a superior product. The US will never be able to fight back. Does this make you feel despair? It does for me.

>>6884810
Godspeed anon
>>6885050
shading with gray tones can be an alternative to screen tones
>>6885424
The only despair you get is from being touched by a woman, fuck off fag

>>6884917
I already tried the Khatzumoto 24/7 passive immersion thing, but I have chronic insomnia and can't sleep unless I'm in total darkness and silence

I want to post pages to compare, but i have very imcomplete pages (which are just photos of the drawing of the characters in the panel stich together with hope and dreams) so it's a little shameful still, since last time people were talking more about the art that the things that i needed to know...
But i still want to post to see if what i'm doing now is right... and also get a little confidence boost to push me to work

So if i post the pages could you give your honest thoughts about the paneling and dialogue and ignore completely the art?

>>6884763
You will always be a try hard gaijin. Japanese will never respect you.

>>6885711
No. Finish it first. You've spent over a year on just the storyboard. Nut up and finish it already.

>>6885720
>Japanese will never respect you.
I was just there and had a great time with the locals
Even hardcore poltard japs (they put Pearl Harbor footage on the bar TV soon as I walked in kek) bought me drinks and smoked a joint with me after I told them I draw manga and sang a Naruto opening on stage
I met a group of game devs at a BBQ joint and got drunk as piss with them, gave me a business card after seeing my art socials
I may be a gaijin but I've loved Japanese media my whole life and they respect that if you aren't an obnoxious underage retard trying to burgerize everything

Your seethe is delicious to me as my lived experience outright disproves your meme assertions
I will create REAL manga and there is nothing you jealous dekinai capecucks can do about it

Excuse me. Is there like a "standard" manga page dimensions?

Just go around to finally trying to see how the CSP build in manga tools work and was immediately overwhelmed XD

>>6885840
A4 bro

>>6885816
They were being polite to the gay gaijin because it's part of their culture. They didn't actually like you or enjoy your presence.

>>6885853
Yeah you totally email someone to invite them to karaoke the next night because you don't like them
Lol, keep coping capecuck

>>6885857
Yes, it's called being polite. Japanese people are the most polite people in the world, even towards people they hate. They hate Nigerians for example but still tolerate their presence in Japan out of politeness.

>>6885849
That makes sense. Thank you

>>6885858
There's a difference between helping a random gaijin stranger locate something and reaching out to invite someone they just met to an outing.
You never even been to Japan lol.
>tolerate Nigerians
Because they work with Yakuza, retard.
Coping capecuck.

>>6885861
>you will never be Japanese

>>6885864
But I *will* create genuine, real, authentic manga.
Why are you capecrabs so jealous? It's honestly sad.
Go draw, and maybe you could achieve your dreams some day too.

>>6885050
I asked the same thing a while back and some anons recommended greyscale alcohol markers and ink wash. If you just want grays both work great, wash is cheaper but I think it needs a little more practice for consistent looking tones.

>>6885424
I'm not an American and I want the anime/manga aesthetic to dominate the world so it's the ideal outcome for me.

>>6886063
I want Japan to take over the world and build walkable cities and bullet trains everywhere. I want an Akihabara maid cafe in every street. I want to drink green tea and not be afraid of being shot to death in the streets. I want a family mart on every street corner, and a Shonen Jump and Kodansha magazine in every family mart. Can't a man dream?

>>6886065
>50$ gram of weed
>get sentenced to hard labor if caught since you can't really be deported if the whole world is Japanese

Why would you want this? Reading manga while high is a next level experience.

>>6886074
you wouldn't trade weed for maid cafes?

>>6886076
I want to be high in a maid cafe so the moe moe kyun beam works more effectively

>>6886076
>American maid cafe
Hell no.

is this the ultimate manga page set up?

>>6886065
It's a shame that not much of the pre-war Tokyo survived, there was a lot of beautiful European-style architecture and now it's mostly just bleak concrete hell.

>>6886095
>European-style architecture
blegh
good riddance

>>6886095
i like concrete
we should have more modern brutalism in cities

Why is there so much shitposting all of a sudden?

>>6886114
Sexo
And because nobody in these threads besides 3 or 4 anons actually draw manga

>>6886074
>doing drugs
Look at this loser and laugh at him

>>6886216
>destroys his liver and other internal organs with literal poison because it's "legal"
Look at this future cirrhosis patient and sympathize

>>6886114
how do you practice drawing? (besides drawing manga) I really love your shapes

>>6886227
>how do you practice drawing?
Besides drawing manga? I don't. That's basically all I draw. The second I'm not drawing manga I instantly revert to boring character-standing-in-a-void shit, and I don't ever do studies.

>>6886222
Ok druggie

>>6886229
>I don't ever do studies
No wonder, it shows.

>>6886268
no one is impressed with you buddy

>>6886229
I don't believe you. How do you get all those shapes into your hand? Do you just try to emulate manga you've seen as you draw?

>>6886268
Yes, I think so too.

>>6886271
>I don't believe you.
How am I supposed to convince you otherwise? It's impossible to prove that I didn't.
>How do you get all those shapes into your hand?
I have a hand. I curled it and looked. I then drew what I saw, and not super accurately. I used to be much much worse at it, but naturally doing something a lot results in gradual improvement.
>Do you just try to emulate manga you've seen as you draw?
Yes and no. I only pull something up to look at if there's something specific that I want to see somebody else's solution to. Otherwise I just try to make it look good by my own taste.
Outside of drawing, yeah of course I read manga. Dunno if I'd say that makes me much better at drawing it though.

Der Wagie

>>6886229
you mean you work on a manga project all the time? or do you "practice" drawing manga too? i can never get myself to decide on anything when making a project lol..

>>6886503
I mean if I'm not drawing a manga project then I'm not drawing. Everything I make is practice but nothing I make is "just practice". I learn by making stuff.

>>6886531
and how does that work? doujinshi? short stories? what were you making before this?

>>6886536
>what were you making before this?
In short, a bunch of stuff.
The full story:
At the start of 2014 I started drawing -- I initially tried to to get drawing practice in before starting comics "for real", but after wasting most of the year barely drawing I decided to say fuck it and just started, drawing something like 60 pages in trad before stopping.
In mid 2015 I restarted that comic in digital. This time I kept at it until mid 2016, drawing over 400 pages.
From 2016 to 2020 I barely made anything, I storyboarded 100 pages of something but didn't end up inking it, and did some random sketching but practically nothing for 3 and a half years.
2020 I wanted to get back into comics "for real" again, started fiddling with some porn ideas then the Tezuka International competition happened and I finished 55-pager for that. From there I simply didn't stop. Drew a 36 page comic, then storyboarded/sketched 90ish pages of which I inked 50.
In 2021 I... Storyboarded a few hundred pages across a handful of projects, inked maybe half of those. Some of it was porn, some if it was an idea for a series I still want to make, some of it was Quickdraw.
In 2022 I made more Quickdraw before quitting it to do comms. I stopped doing comms to look for art jobs, and while I was looking did two 45ish page storyboards, one of which I sent in to the publisher I'm currently working with but they just told me to ink it and that was it (and I now realize they just wanted to see some sample work lmao). Then I got hired to draw somebody's comic, which I did for about 9 months up until May of 2023. Then I drew a 40 page eromanga which I submitted that publisher, which they didn't want to publish but it got me in the door so to speak. I made a storyboard which they would want to publish and that brings us to today.

There's a bunch of stuff I don't have the room to mention in one post. I've drawn somewhere around 2000 pages by now, not that much for nearly 10 years. So yeah, make stuff.

>>6886584
huh, that's pretty insightful, thanks. looks like you just grinded past everything that stopped me. i have a few short stories but not nearly as much, and the higher pagecounts were all from very very early beg-projects.

any advice for someone who is paralyzed at the creation step of the process? i probably think too hard about storyboarding and writing, which stopped me from gaining as much experience as you.
last year i even pitched a story to a publisher in my country and got very favorable feedback, but i never bothered following up on that contact simply because i myself had no faith that what i was making was any decent.

any advice especially for hammering out a storyboard without getting stuck?

>>6886594
You got feedback from a publisher? Well, follow it then. What do you have to lose, exactly? Even if it ends up sucking you can at least learn from it, and mileage is mileage.
I don't think anything I made has been any good. They might have good ideas, or some cool bits here and there, but I don't feel very happy about how any of it turned out. Maybe I'll never feel happy with what I make. But I don't make stuff to feel happy, I make stuff to get ideas out of my head and hopefully entertain people. So I ignore any vitriol I get, take the praise and work through the silence.
I can't really help you with getting stuck at creating stuff, like I said I kinda just dove in. I could tell you to do that but if the whole problem is that you can't bring yourself to for whatever reason then it's useless advice.
I gotta sleep now but I'll continue this convo when I wake up if you have any more questions.

>>6886612
>But I don't make stuff to feel happy, I make stuff to get ideas out of my head and hopefully entertain people.
that's an interesting thing to say. aside from entertaining people and giving back what i received, i guess i do expect some sort of fullfilment from this process.

>>6885721
You know what, you are right, i was going to try to post, but after seeing some post here, i don't wanna fall back and actually being able to post something in the same level of this thread

>>6886114
>suddenly
I don't know i haven't been coming to these threads lately, but i notice that they were a little faster, but now i wonder if all has been for people fighting or actually talking about some things

Cutting down pages to fit page limit is cooked. Wish there was something like those AI parser people use to cut and summarize texts except it's for unnecessary panels.

>>6887043
Yeah editing work down is harder than making new stuff to me for some reason. Maybe because it's easier to make new stuff without thinking too hard about it.

Planning and storyboard takes so fucking long. I just want to get to drawing but I never will when I spend hours just moving boxes around and undoing old work.

>stuck on what page to use next
>remember entire folder of unfinished projects
>2 usable pages that match what I'm currently working on
aaaaaaw yeah

>>6887378
Prepping is the longest most tedious part but it must be done or else you'll forget your story halfway through a page and then you're fucked.

>>6887381
yeah, I hope its worth it in the long run.

>>6886081
It would be full of fat troons and obese diversity hires.

There really is no point in making manga. Traditional comics are going to die out in the next 10 years. Shuiesha is already focusing on creating a scrolling manga platform. Clicks and engagement = King

>>6887700
>There really is no point in making manga
I don't care
My only goal is to get a physical printed copy of a manga I made into my hands
If it sells, it sells; if it doesn't, oh well
I will have made a legitimate Japanese manga and as a lifelong weeb that's all I want to do

>>6887700
gimme a rundown on jumptoon

>>6887700
>born too late to make it in comics because the media died
>born too late to own property
>born too late to have a family

we really got a dealt a terrible card huh

>>6887700
Cretin brainlet.

>>6887917
Go to /fag
Zumussy ripped.

>>6887700
but...that's still manga?
just digital
as long as pay doesn't get slashed I see no issue with this

>>6888311
Yeah…in his effort to attempt to discourage people, I don’t think he really thought his post through.

Not that he’s really right anyway.

some style exploration I guess

>>6888603
Boobas

>>6888311
yeah, isn't OPM digitally released? And it's literally one of the most popular mangas in the world

>>6888473
farming for (you)s i imagine

>>6888639
I think so, and several others too
most people read manga through apps/websites anyways, so these companies making the leap is no surprise. hell shonen jump+ was created solely for digital manga iirc

>>6888629
good God I didn't even notice I drew them that big. You probably don't believe me. I do love big tits, but is it too degenerate?
I kind of dislike how some artists draw all women with boyish physics(Otomo), afraid to give them big asses or tits because it's "too sexual" when in reality women are built that way more often than not.

>>6888603
Did you trace 3d? These are very stiff.

Nice booba tho

>>6887043
That's why you don't half ass the writing aspect and don't skip thumbnails. Write your script page by page and lock down each panel, then thumbnail to see if it works.

>>6888603
Bit of an "I don't know what to do with my hands" going on.

Digital comics are fine, but the infinite vertical scrolling format is absolute cancer and a terrible horse to bet on. While traditional style comic pages transfer to digital just fine, the scroller comic can ONLY be read comfortably on a smartphone. So once touchscreen vertical phones go out of style, and they will, all the comics you made for it are going to be left behind with it.

>>6888740
>>6888733
hey thanks for the crit. No I used my doll.
I've been getting the "stiff" comment a lot. I'm gonna have to look into this.

>>6888741
>So once touchscreen vertical phones go out of style, and they will
Elaborate on this
t. someone who thinks about phones for probably less than five minutes a day

>>6888652
>>6888639
90% of global comics and manga readers read comics primarily on their phones. Adapt or perish

>>6888763
The form factor and format have reached the end of their potential, and the end of their novelty, and any technology that could improve them is a long way off. Global smartphone sales peaked in 2017-18, and have been steadily declining since. The only way to guarantee everyone will buy their new product out of fear of being left behind is to drop all compatibility with the current devices, and the best way to do this is to change the entire form factor to make it visually obvious to the dumbest consumers. Even if it is functionally worse, they will change it to get those sales, and you will buy it or be left in the dust with the pagers, flip phones and pocket PCs before them.

>>6888774
Phonefags won't be able to feel the textured covers or see the holographics on it

>>6888603
Good technique, bad construction. Very unnatural pose. Shame since it seems you got the fundies down otherwise.
>>6888752
Don't (just) do this. Dolls don't stand or move like real humans do, unless you specifically make them pose like real humans, but you're not going to be able to pose them like real humans if you don't know how real humans pose, you dig? That said, don't discard dolls entirely, they're good for getting lightings correct etc. But study figure drawings and do 1 minute real life figures exercise. You can do it anon. You have the technique.

>>6888603
>>6888740
>>6888733
>>6888752
I tried to redraw a sketch of this while changing the pose a bit to make it look like she's moving forward in perspective and have weight. Might not be the best example but hope it helps with the stiffness

>>6884917
I can't keep it together, hearing this woman talk is putting my sides in orbit.
god bless you anon for sharing this

>>6889058
You got your foreshortening backwards on the shoulders lol

Tomorrow I get feedback on the inks.

do you have good exemple of manga partially made with brush/brush pens ? i know that most of the manga artists use g-pen or nib pens, but i like the flow and the smooth of the brush

for exemple i fucking love and admire Paul Pope inking techniques

>>6890364
Vagabond.

>>6890373
I remember reading somewhere that inoe switched to a brush only partly through doing vagabond. and it never said at which point specifically

>>6890291
This looks great. What size do you work on?

>>6890475
Just the standard CSP B5 600dpi template.

>>6890291
Nice job, anon!

>>6890364
Made in Abyss

>>6890499
aren't manga printed in A4?

>>6890536
I doubled checked and it's actually A4, yeah. I'm just working off the template they sent me.

The dimensions vary but A5 is typical when it comes to printing manga, according to a quick google. I'm sure you know this but generally you wanna be drawing bigger than you're printing, and this will be scaled up to 1200dpi before it's printed.

>>6885050
I bought KOALA Printable Vinyl Sticker Paper off ebay, 20 sheets for 9.99. There are plenty of resources online for making your own screentoner with laser printers, it actually came out pretty good. If you are worried about fucking up too much I would just do it digitally

>>6890499
Okay, what about your brush/pen size? Are you zoomed in while drawing? I get so flustered by inking because I haven't found a good process for it. Yours looks really nice.

>>6890570
This is what I used here, but I change shit almost constantly and have done so for about as long as I've been drawing. Sorry bro, but there's no perfect solution that fits everyone like a glove. You gotta draw a bunch figure out what works best for you.

>>6890571
Thanks dude.

alright, I did a bit of studying and tried to redraw it.
>Figure drawing for all it's worth it, Rhythm chapter.
>Some notes from James McMullan (in the Ney york times) on rhythm.
great reads. Basically focus on the Hogarth's line of beauty.
still not sure about this pose, it's wtv, but I focused on not making too rigid.


>>6889044
thanks for all the crits man! You are correct. It was just a random sketch but still. I tried to use the doll again for the initial set up but ended up drawing a lot of it from imagination

>>6888740
yes! I gave her a gun now lol.
>>6889058
hey thanks for the draw over man!

>>6890291
I think some of your lines get too thin at times like the bed sheet and the folds. This is the problem when doing digital comics, been there myself)
certain elements are too parallel which can make the image feel rigid. For instance on the 1st panel, the girl, the man, the bed, and the bg are all parallel. Try to skew things a bit next time to create more variety. Good work man

>>6891186
damn, forgot the image

>>6891188
another sketch, for style exploration
sorry to shit up the thread with loose drawing instead of actual comic pages.

I wonder when I'll actually finish a comic. I got like 10 uncompleted lol

>>6891186
Your rendering and textures are pretty good. If you're trying to solve stiffness, I would recommend you check out a guy called Bridgman, he'll fix you right up.

However since you're already reading other books, maybe you already know about him. I feel like you're viewing the body as a torso with limbs attached to it instead of a series of interlocking parts with appealing shapes. A single gesture line through the figure, no matter how dynamic or curvy or rhythmic, isn't going to solve your problem.

Do you guys use longer or wider speech bubbles? Longer emulates manga better but it is harder to format shit

I strongly believe that a non Japanese person cant do manga the way its done from Japanese artists. It's something embedded in their culture and how they perceive manga as a whole. I have been published with my manga but I don't regard it as one. The difference is 90% on the culture. I am Greek and i can say no one can play Bouzouki like a Greek cause it's something we get accustomed with from a very young age. Many people can try, get really close but not actually there. Some forms of art are deeply connected with the culture of the countries we are born in. It's not a bad thing it's just that we are all different and unique and i think we must first try to create and not replicate

>>6891702
Longer and slightly oversized so both JP and EN fit comfortably (individually not together)
I can't stand American comic speech bubbles they're just so ugly

>>6891758
>I strongly believe that a non Japanese person cant do manga the way its done from Japanese artists.
You can, if you care to actually learn their culture.

>>6891758
>Daniel Warren Johnson

You should just create a visual novel if making R2L format is hard for you.

Any illustrators here? Is a career drawing manga style illustrations/comics possible as an American? Or do I have to draw in an American comic style?

>>6891812
You can make OEL manga that reads like any average scanlation.
You can go a step further and have the script translated into JP so it would be- for all intents and purpose- a "real" manga.
OR you could go the SaturdayAM route and make American graphic novels but guilt and shame people into calling it manga for the marketing optimization. Reminder that those people are the same types who complain of "culture vultures" anywhere else.

>>6891188
>>6891261
if this is shitting up the thread then call me a shit eater

Or you could just make a comic. In your own language. With your own cultural experience and knowledge. You know, like the Japanese do.

Even if you make it left to right, do you guys still try to put Japanese sound effects even though you don't speak it? I mean, seems kinda weird. The OP image does it perfectly.

>>6892065
There's lots of translated manga that leaves the Japanese sound effects in, though. Not to mention, plenty of weebs steeped in Japanese/Otaku culture know at least basic-ass Katakana and Hiragana.

>>6891702
Wider is inevitable given how letter-heavy English is vs the compactness and verticality of Japanese. I try to trim the fat in my dialogue to keep the bubbles slim, but will avoid it if it’s too consequential to the story
>>6892065
Shonen Jump is a good reference to how to do lettering and effects in English. But I personally don’t do mine in Japanese

>>6891758
what about Radiant's author? He's a French dude

>>6892098
Of course they know kana (myself included) but they still don't know every single onomatopoeia just because they can sound it out.

>>6892047
Then it's not manga, which isn't what this thread is about.
Not everyone wants to make "comics" some of us want to make manga.
>you will never be japanese!
You don't have to be to make manga anymore. And no, L > R American graphic novels are not manga.

>>6892065
You do realize we live in the future where this exact type of information is available at your fingertips right?

http://thejadednetwork.com/sfx/

Can you guys point me to a big PHAT pack of halftone brushes or stamps for photoshop?
Any open mega resources or anything like that?

>>6892417
Anon…

I remember asking before, but i never show what i mean, and do these drawings, that are supposed to be the same character, look like the same character? These are in the same page (except the one on the top right)

So it's bothering that they feel like different styles, Or it could go unnoticed?

>>6892493
Yes, it looks like the same character. Hurry up and finish it dude. And don't even respond to this post, just get back to drawing it.

>>6892485
nta but what's wrong with that site

>>6892495
I'm sorry, but i'm in a pause to do my handcare rutine so i don't suffer from a carpal or ural tunnel syndrome, LIKE EVERY ANON SHOULD DO, because drawing too much fucks your hands

Anyways what i was asking was mostly if the change from the top right (last panel before turning the page) left bottom (first panel after turning) is... i don't know how to say it, but i remember some anons saying that it was bad

>>6892508
Honestly though it depends on who you are, some people can draw and draw and draw and never get hurt/ injured (which is not the same as tired), might be the way their form is or genetics for how quick they recover but yeah some people are built different, but it's always good to take breaks if your hands aren't super tough

>>6883788
>Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
Link doesn't fetch anything. Is this somewhere else by chance?

>>6892517
Well, to be honest i got hurt because i was too lost while drawing in a shitty pose, but that's exactly why i demand myself to take pauses, walk a little, do stretches, a little of exercise for the wrist, it helps me heal and not to get hurt ever again...

That's why anons should do hand and wrist exercises and stretches, not only to not get fuck, the injury is bound to happen, not just because genetics or form, but just time and repetition, so if you strengthen the are will save you a lot of trouble for the future

>>6892047
america has no culture unfortunately.

>>6892526
100% agree, exercises can strengthen your hand and prevent injury, super important and legit great advice. I was just pointing out that some people have really strong hands like the classic example of Kim Jung Gi, the dude could draw for hours and hours filling up giant canvases and libraries worth of sketch books, but at the same time he got a heart attack at a relatively young age. It's crazy how some people have gifts which can be polished and strengthened. I don't think genetics is the only factor, I bet if you don't get tired or injured as easily it can be easier to just practice more etc which in turn can also strengthen you further. Rest and health are super important though, not everyone is built like that.

I know exactly how long it'll take me to finish my one shot, and that is preventing me from starting. The more I break it down, the longer it'll take, like Achilles and the tortoise.

>>6892598
It'll get shorter once you start :)

>>6892047
I'm not one of the ones obsessed with my work being 100% Authentic Japanese Mangos, and I get the sentiment
>In your own language. With your own cultural experience and knowledge. You know, like the Japanese do.
but this is a bit tougher when your language is only spoken by few million people and the comic culture is pretty barebones in your country (and your country's culture doesn't exactly enjoy the same kind of enthusiasm from foreigners as Japan for example). It feels like a massive waste of time to not just make comics in English or Japanese.

This talk reminded me of the Japanese guy who wants to be a BD author and dreams of his work being translated into French and published over there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10cjdom__0Y

what is BD?

>>6892762
Franco-Belgian comics

yesterday i was talking with some friends about making a comic and this idea of a short story about a jewish t-rex bioweapon attacking gaza as the only land troop came out.
I tried thinking about it a lot this morning but i can't find a way to make such a comic in only 3 pages.
Is it impossible?

jewsaurus design concept

jewsaurus design concept 2

>>6892788
>>6892791
looks good

>>6891758
Sounds like copium when there's probably hundreds of Korean weebs who learned moon really quickly and are LARPing as nip mangaka under Japanese pennames with the general public none the wiser.
>inb4 Chinese/Koreans don't count

Does the "overly digital" look of a bunch of manga has these days bother anyone else? I swear even a bunch of Jump/Jump+ manga are looking like webtoons these days because the digital linework is so weak.

>>6892828
You seem to have picked up on the real problem there. It's not that it's digital, it's just that the line work is weak. It's not the tool's fault the artist uses it poorly.

>>6892828
Some artists are good at making digital look trad

>>6892826
You don't really have any business calling that Anon's post copium when your own premise is blatantly delusional.

>>6892877
>blatantly delusional

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiv_(illustrator)

L. Shindo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuu_Kamiya

>>6892744
Your country/language will never have a comics culture if someone doesn't start it.

>>6892415
Is a manga not a manga anymore if it is translated to another language? No
Is a manga not a manga anymore if it is flipped in translation? No
Is a manga not a manga anymore if it is in color? No
Is a manga not a manga anymore if it is drawn in a more realistic style instead of generic anime stereotypes? No

The only thing that defines a "manga" is that it is made by a Japanese person in Japan. You will never be that, so you will never make a manga.

If that doesn't define it either, then NOTHING does, and manga just = comics.

>>6892595
True. America has many cultures, not a monolithic single one. You being a shut-in in your room with zero connection to the people around you doesn't mean there isn't one.

>>6892880
I'm perfectly aware there's Korean manga authors (you're missing Boichi). The part I'm disputing is that there's a secret grand scale Korean infiltration in Japanese manga.

>>6892884
>The only thing that defines a "manga" is that it is made by a Japanese person in Japan. You will never be that, so you will never make a manga.

Radiant
Dr. Stone
Peepochuu

I WILL make manga, it WILL be manga, and you can do absolutely nothing about it
Cope and seethe, rope and sneed for all I care
Crabs get the bucket

>>6892884
>The only thing that defines a "manga" is that it is made by a Japanese person in Japan. You will never be that, so you will never make a manga.
I'd argue the "definition" is now
>a comic made with Japanese dialogue published in Japan for the Japanese audience
since there are foreign artists remotely making manga for Japanese manga magazines now.

>>6892884
don't know why westerners get so autistically gatekeepy about this shit. meanwhile nips don't give a fuck and call their stuff comics. it's the same with anime how they call everything anime no matter the country of origin.
>>6892888
and that's just licensed manga, the infiltration is much wider when it comes to doujinshi and ero magazines

>>6892888
There's already a grand scale of Korean halfies/full bloods just living in Japan under nip names thanks to the war so statistically speaking that anon isn't wrong.

I am an American webcomic artist, when I was in Japan a few weeks ago, I was asked to show the comic to some (Japanese) people. They called it "manga", when I said it was a comic (as to not appropriate the term) they said "sore wa manga ne?" I know they call everything "manga" since that's just their word for "comics" in general but I still feel like I have to make an actual manga so that when Japanese people call me "mangaka" it will be literally true.
I must show the proper respect to the artform that has shaped so much of my personal and professional life.

>>6892871
Bro, you can tell pretty easily that that is digital.

"Manga" is a retarded term to begin with, just call them "Japanese comics"
For a comic to be a "Japanese comic", it has to be published in Japan, because only Japan's cultural machine can produce that kind of comic style. Likewise with other countries

>>6892906
You always can, but hee is till good at making digital look trad (when he isn't forced to rush)

>>6892910
>"Manga" is a retarded term to begin with, just call them "Japanese comics"
That's fucking retarded kill yourself

>>6892881
It's a small market that would most likely to be hostile towards the kind of stuff I want to make. I'd mostly likely be branded as a misogynistic pedophile if I did the sort of things that are normal in manga (well, the same thing is going to happen in the English-speaking internet too but it's less intense with an audience that is spread all over the world vs concentrated and localized reaction near you). I'm not gonna bother with Sisyphean shit like that.

>>6892911
>That's fucking retarded kill yourself
I guess the japs are retarded then for calling their stuff comics while calling comics from america american comics. they also say american anime for cartoons

>>6892918
It's fucking retarded to overtranslate everything when there's no need. "Manga" already means "Japanese comics" to the unretarded. Fuck off.

>>6892919
that's a localization not a translation

>>6892923
Same diff, cope.

>>6892925
sorry I'm too much of an enlightened weeb that I'll use the word correctly and call all comics manga rather than fall for cool japan marketing terminology

>>6892927
the way you're talking about using it is incorrect

Does anyone have the pdf for this, haven't been able to find yet

>>6890291
Your artstyle reminds me of Kaiten Sommelier, one of my cock's favorite artists. So I would say: BASED.

I'm tired of the manga/comic debate, I'm going to make up a new name for it, a combination of manga and comic, manco.
Now everyone can be happy, there's no more debate, we're all making manco, everyone loves manco!

>>6893130
The name should be inclusive to bande dessinée and other comic traditions as well: BDCM+! We should also make our own flag and... hey, wait a minute...

>>6893137
no, I do not want the french in my manco
I am a french exclusionary manco extremist

>>6893137
the french already call their manga shit manfra lol

>>6893130
>I'm tired of the manga/comic debate
There's no debate

Manga has it's own specific format and production methods that distinguish it from comics and other comic-type arts.

>>6893170
There's many things about manga that make it distinctly Japanese, but the differences aren't meaningful enough to consider manga its own medium separate from comics and Japanese themselves certainly don't entertain notions like that. It's like trying to claim that katana isn't a sword but rather its own thing completely.

>>6893187
>There's many things about manga that make it distinctly Japanese, but the differences aren't meaningful enough to consider manga its own medium separate from comics
This is the most midwit take ever.

>>6893187
A katana is a type of sword. Manga are a type of comics. But you don't call a broadsword a katana, and vice versa.

>>6893199
What's your definition of comics then?

>>6893201
nta but katana means sword in Japanese

>>6893201
That's compatible with what I'm saying. Manga is a shorthand for Japanese comics/Japanese comics tradition.

Katana 刀 literally means sword in japanese but around the world is already known to be its own unique item, the japanese sword.
Manga 漫画 literally means comic in japanese but around the world is already known to be its own unique item, japanese comic books.

Christ, have you idiots literally been arguing about this for over a week?

Shut the absolute fuck up and get over this shit. You sound like children.

>>6893219
Use the fucking term properly or not at all.

>>6893241
Yes, it means Japanese comic book, that's what manga is. Emphasis on Japanese.

>>6893260
sorry I use the japanese word not the western term so it simply means "comic"

>validate me for intentionally using the term incorrectly!
No.

>>6893285
who are you quoting?
I just find it funny how weebs love to use japanese words but do anything to avoid using the word manga correctly

>>6893296
Weebs don't, ironicweebs do.
We know what manga is and what it isn't.

>>6893219
It's easier to slapfight than to actually draw.
Evidently, all the posters fighting over language here aren't drawing. Otherwise, they would've posted something.

>>6893299
Or maybe we are and post here on breaks

>>6893299
did you draw that?

>>6893303
Nope.

>>6893301
That's true; post the stuff you were drawing when you weren't on a break.

>>6893201
>But you don't call a broadsword a katana
Japanese do. They also call comics manga.

>>6893314
And when a non-Japanese person says "manga" or "katana", they are referring to Japanese comics or Japanese swords. At least smart people do.

>>6893306
I will never post my work here this place is a literal crab shack

>>6893314
>>6893323
why don't you both shut up and show me pictures of your mancos

I'm going to ravage Anon's manco

>>6893331
Anon(me) will ravage Riko's manco
But this is /ic/ not /a/

so if a non Japanese blacksmith made a katana is it still a katana?

>>6893357
If he made it the exact same way with the exact same materials as a Japanese blacksmith then yes it is.

>>6893359
even though not every Japanese blacksmith used the same materials nor the exact same way?

>>6893361
No, it doesn't matter if you use Deleter Black or Speedball, it's manga if you follow the Japanese production and formatting method.
>every blacksmith is different!
Obviously, retard. You're being obtuse.

>>6893357
a katana as in blade or perhaps you're referring to an uchigatana? it's only a japanese katana if it's made with tamahagane steel

>>6893326
Then why do you post here, period?

>>6893372
To tell people who are wrong that they are retarded.

>>6893381
You can do that anywhere. And there's places with way higher traffic to do it in.

>>6893388
I don't care about those places.

Ive had a 230 page rough draft for a a year now but finally finishing everything. Have no idea where to post when done

>>6893100
Lol I really like that guy's art too. Moreso for fapping purposes than study but he's definitely very skilled.

>>6893401
That's some pretty quality shit anon

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>>6893241
Kino btw

>>6893401
Looks pretty good, can't wait to read it.

>those heart stopping moments where your device is so shitty that everyting goes to shit when you try to save, and you get to feel how your turds are jumping out of your ass when you get to see the wallpaper because everything closes for a second just to either re open or close terminally

Please why i can't stop being poor, it stoped being fun years ago

>>6893540
I made this using printer paper and a normal No. 2 pencil with Microns being the most expensive bit. Adapt!

>>6893327
holy based yuyubeanchad
>>6893331
holy based rikkerposter

mmg seems like a nice place

Just finished a page!

>>6893630
Nice! 10/10 would drink bath water

>>6893708
>trannatarfags
Fuck off back to /r9k/

>>6893540
same

>>6893401
are you a splatoon fan

>>6893170
>Manga has it's own specific format and production methods

There are different formats and production styles for various manga. Hell even the best digital drawing hardware and software are Japanese.

Call your comic manga if you want to but "manga" is just another word for comic. It's neither a genre or a medium.

sketch

>>6894545
>There are different formats and production styles for various manga.
And they all follow a set format depending on which genre they are but they still follow a general manga format that is the same across all Japanese comic media. Don't be asinine.

>come up with low-concept premise I can make a comic from without worrying about art quality
>spend more time writing than drawing
>the premise is now high-concept and story-centric
>feel pressure to improve before drawing it
>think up with the most retarded bare-bones shitpost idea I can make a comic from
>still able to overcomplicate it

what the fuck is wrong with me. I don't want to be a writer, I want to draw, why does this keep happening? even this post, I'm writing instead of drawing. shit.

>>6894917
Draw a page right now. Finish it by the end of the day. The only way to kick yourself out of this trap is to act immediately whenever you catch yourself in it.

>>6894919
ok, I'm doing it. If I haven't posted a page in four hours, assume I'm dead.

>>6893783

>>6895407

>>6894924
RIP

>32 out of 54
I still have to trace it into digital, and add the background and desing a cool fucking monster which leaves me satisfied... how are the chance to finish this before December starts? At least i want to post it between the first week so i can have a chance in the mpc awards thing

>>6895449
Jesus christ what a tedious way to sketch your panels but hey whatever works for you

>>6893365
>Japanese production and formatting method.
Which is, exactly?

And if a Jap doesn't use this method, is what he creates not a manga?

>>6895411
I might be dead but I'm still drawing
it was good advice. I didn't finish a page but I did a lot more than I've been able to do in the last three months
seems obvious in hindsight, the solution to not drawing... is drawing

>>6895579
>what is Eastern reading format
You retarded piece of shit

>>6893708
thank you for widening the thread yunoposter, but as you can see /mmg/ is exclusively for complaining and arguing about manga
are you making a manga or just dropping in from that /a/ thread?

>>6895407
"never uncompromising" is double negative, might want to change it to "never compromises" or something like that

>>6895407
>never compromises
IS different than
>never uncompromising

>>6896127
So now you're changing it to "reading format" instead of "production and formatting"?

So once Dragon Ball is flipped left to right, it is no longer manga then?

Or if I flip Superman right to left, it is now manga?

I just want to know your exact definition.

>>6896445
>So once Dragon Ball is flipped left to right, it is no longer manga then?
No it's just flipped manga you fucking retard. Same the other way.

>>6896426
I assume it's supposed be interpreted that this man does not make compromises, if it's implying he does make compromises then I think it's a bit confusing but not grammatically wrong.

Next thread doko da?

Also how do anons export all the pages in vertical (weighting less than 4mb)

>>6896480
Webtoon does it automatically but you can also use a site called Croppy that does it.

>>6896378
>are you making a manga or just dropping in from that /a/ thread?
both, but i probably won't stay here because i have crabophobia. ganbare frends

>>6896634
arigatou yunofren
there aren't as many genuine crabs in mmg as the rest of /ic/, but I get what you mean
I shit you not this current manga/not manga argument has lasted multiple threads

>>6896722
>this current manga/not manga argument has lasted multiple threads
awawa...

>>6896760
>>6896722
It will continue to last until every last faggot American """mangaka""" stops using the term "manga" to describe their Western-formatted graphic novels. It's fucking pretentious and cringe.

>>6896775
I don't think anybody in this thread is even doing that, so you're shouting at clouds over here.

>>6896775
Do you have autism or do you just have a pathetic life? I can't imagine wasting my time like you do.

>>6896778
>>6896780
Capeshit and western format comics don't belong in /mmg/, simple as.
If it's a sequential art general then call it /cmg/ - comics and manga general.
Not gatekeeping this term has made everyone believe they can puke any type of bullshit they want on paper and call it "manga". Then you also end up with the literal, actual, Ganges river of shit that's flooded sites like MangaPlus, because nobody checks people when they're retarded and wrong.
I will not apologize for caring about this hobby/niche and the culture.

>>6896784
Wow dude, you're like- so noble.

>>6896784
Jesus christ if it gets you to stop spamming post after post of inane arguing then fine, I'll change the name of the general.
>I will not apologize for caring about this hobby/niche and the culture.
Direct your energy into producing something of value, not pointless shitposting.

>>6896786
>>6896787
>t. American "mangaka" who inappropriately use the term for marketing and cause further degradation to a hobby they claim to care about

>>6896790
Nevermind, not changing the name then. I didn't realize you really were just trolling.

>>6896791
Nobody's trolling.
>I'm not changing the name just to spite you
Faggot move. Contributing to the degradation of a space because you can't help but feel personally attacked when someone defends it from idiots.

>>6896793
If you want to make an appeal, don't accuse others of being whatever strawman mindgoblin you're obsessing over at the time.
>you can't help but feel personally attacked when someone defends it from idiots.
You're projecting. I don't give a shit what anybody calls it, I just want to actually talk about the works rather than sift through post after post of mind-numbing rhetoric over something that is ultimately meaningless. Instead of convincing yourself that arguing over terminology is somehow a contribution to the space you supposedly care so much about, you could be actually making stuff.

>>6896478
The other way around, he's "always compromising". But I didn't want to word it that way since I already said "always" the panel above as to not sound repetitive

Its best to just ignore the weird, weird, WEIRD schizo crying about what is and isn't manga. He's probably some tourist from /hyw/ over on /co/. The mental illness usually leaks out from there and spills over into other similar threads.

Just ignore him and don't engage. The crabs will fall back into the bucket when they have nothing to hang on to, while the rest of us work on our manga.

>>6896445
>I just want to know your exact definition.
He said in an earlier post that it's manga when it's written with a kishotenketsu story structure, it's read from right to left and published in Japanese. There's not really anyone else besides him that defines manga this way though.
In English manga is a shorthand (and a marketing brand) for Japanese comics
In Japanese it's a word for comics in general

>>6896796
"Always the people pleaser, always compromising (or "always making compromises")." Sounds just fine to me. Twisting it into a double-negative sounds comparatively unnatural to me, it's just not how somebody would phrase the idea.

>>6896797
Yeah that will be the last reply I give the guy. Not interested, got bigger fish to fry.

>>6896775
>Western-formatted graphic novels
if you just mean left to right stuff that doesn't look remotely like japanese mainstream manga then i kinda agree
but otherwise you're just not being productive and all anons should report you

>>6896795
>You're projecting. I don't give a shit what anybody calls it
You finally admitted it- you don't care because you'll use whatever term is convenient to market your shit comic book just like every other faggot American "mangaka" who won't even use the correct format but still call their work "manga". You're the exact type of faggot contributing to the problem.

>>6896801
Report me for what? Telling people they're wrong when they are? This is all on topic to the board and thread.

>You don't draw!
Yes I do, I come here during breaks this screen it's literally 4 inches from my workspace.

>>6896811
Pyw.
I'm also pretty interested in taking a look at that machine translated Japanese dialogue.

>>6896811
is this what you mean?
>if you just mean left to right stuff that doesn't look remotely like japanese mainstream manga then i kinda agree

otherwise #1 and #3 on picrel seem like they could fit you

>>6896818
>Pyw
Be real, you know that's not happening. And it won't be completely MTL, I wouldn't even attempt original Japanese dialogue if I didn't know at least the basics.

>>6896820
#1 can apply to every single post on this board
And yes that is what I mean.

>>6896822
You would be better off with just a dictionary and knowledge of grammar, Japanese conversations are so context-dependent that MTL is fucking useless for writing Japanese dialogue. Well, really you would be best off just finishing your reps so your dialogue isn't wooden and tone-deaf.

>>6896823
ok in that case whatever, i can see what you mean, just stop sperging out.

New thread >>6896992

>>6892884
I don't know why you people are obsessed with semantics so much...
I personally want to tell a story, but I'm a visual person, I don't want to write books, so the only option I have is comics/manga.
But comics aren't popular in the west, and the few people that read them are weird af and wouldn't enjoy my type of stories in the first place.
So the best option for me is to make a manga in japan, and then get it translated in the west.
And you are all acting as if all japanese people are the same, everywhere you go there's individuals, they all have different things that they get inspired by, a lot of mangaka, such as Araki are inspired by western art, so does that make his manga not manga? The discussion is stupid in the first place.