/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I really hate do render. Really drives away desire to draw more. Constantly thinking about how inefficient I actually am doing this.

I should have really cooled down this one a bit

>>6885552
I'm never helping anyone on /ic/ again. I'm done giving advice. I'm done birthing horrific nightmares into actuality.

>>6885555
Yes, but more importantly you should have gotten the face more accurate. Why use a reference if you aren't going to use the reference?
>>6885552
I hope you got paid for this.

>>6885555
Your accuracy is appalling. Take your time to get the big pieces right.

Paint this.

>>6885552
fucking kek

>>6885564
I don't paint cropped heads.

>>6885569
Invent the rest and make it hold this too.

>>6885571

I have a hard time with color, don't know how to improve. The only thing that I have been able to do are studies, but are there things I can do without a reference, so I can train myself to imagine color and use it properly with my imagination, or does it really boil down to >just draw

>>6885583
https://www.muddycolors.com/2020/08/you-dont-suck-at-color/

>>6885583
How does your value studies look.

>>6885587
Much better, I know that it's still beg but it doesn't compare to how poorly i pick my colors
>>6885586
Thank you

I tried to do the pose > recall and draw it from imagination thing and it came out well, Ive tried before but this time instead of focusing on form and 3d I just tried to visualize the big shapes and make clear deliberate lines, its exciting when stuff works well

Can someone redline this? Need a second opinion on the foreshortening and such.

I love her

Doing Hampton Figure drawing.
25 pages in and i have a question. Does he include training exercises in the later parts or am i supposed to just infer the information and experiment on my own?

>>6885598
Do you have a ref?

You probably want to change her head direction. It's hard to make female faces look good at that angle.

>>6885599
Draw this as accurately as you can.

>>6885606
No real ref, just imagination and foreshortened rectangles as guides.

I'm trying to make her look flat-chested with otherwise insanely puffy nipples and areola.Any feedback on any part of the pic? Except the background, it's just a placeholder.

Make me cry.

>>6885531
hand practice

>>6885684

>>6885685

coloring is hard

>>6885680
Am beg so take with a grain of salt. The white eyes make it feel pretty eerie to look at in general, i feel like thats something we want to do because "eyes are white right?". Its also hard for me to tell where your light is coming from in general, your values are very close together and i think the rim lighting around the character just adds to that confusion.

>>6885531
CAR RIDE??

>>6885531
loomis take the wheel

Reposting here, I'm not satisfied at all with this but I can't put my finger on it. What immediately strikes you as off, anons? I'm mostly talking about the similarity of expression but anything else I'll take.

>>6885718
Mouth/lips are not following perspective. Remember there is a denture mound so you have to consider the lips wrapping around that.

>>6885718
brow and nose are off position
look more carefully at the shape of the shadow, you've made it wider compared to the rest of the head

>>6885718
You're treating the subject as a flat image, rather than a meaty skeleton. You aren't giving attention to any of the details, and you're using too hard of a brush. Not sure how to give you advice but keep going.

>>6885727
Dental mound not denture. Forgive my retardation

>>6885718
Symbol drawing

why does my figure and mountains look weird

>>6885718
you are not drawing what is actually from the reference

>>6885747

was gonna keep lining this but eh idk how to do lineart yet lol
feels nice to finally be doing full figures though

Had to take a 3 week break from drawing due to work and life stuff. Finally back on the grind. Wanted to work on my leg/waist anatomy so decided to draw Chun Li. Crit appreciated

Just a little something. Nothing major.

>>6885555
The proportions are off like a mf'er

>>6885598
Very rough. You are faking the accuracy.

>>6885599
Is this a joke?

>>6885718
You are getting there.

>>6885747
Because you can't draw.

>>6885862
High school art.

Sup beg, i am in permabegloom hell. I am amazed at how bad i am at this. I have never felt so hopeless while drawing before. LOOMIS!

>>6884734
>Who even told you that copying this specific book was a good idea?
Loomis is mega famous, recommended even by japs. And you cannot simply ignore his most sold, most recc and most famous book. There are literally info graphics (even out of 4chan sphere) which put fun with pencil on same level of importance / fundies as perspective or observational drawing.
>>6885862
i feel like when drawing chuns massive thighs you should know how thigh is made from 2 big ass muscles and draw it as such instead of 1 coned cylinder
>>6885747
i will just list all perspective rules you broke
>horizon is flat straight line
>horizon is always at eye level
>objects get exponentially smaller the further they are from camera (mountains appear smaller than people right next to you)
>parallel lines converge towards vanishing point placed on horizon
>>6885694
forms are bad, shading is bad, anatomy is very bad. colors are the least of your issues
>>6885583
PYW
>>6885870
i like it 777

shit pant

>>6885697

That's great advice, thanks!

>>6885862
As someone coming off an extended break, don't let yourself make excuses. Everyone can do 20 minutes a day at the minimum anon. I let myself make excuses and it snowballed.

>>6885875
you need to be more accurate. Are you even paying attention to your proportions? What did you learn from Keys to Drawing? I thought that book was about accurate observational drawing.

how do i make dynamic arms? i've to do, but i cant achieve it without waterhouseque style

eurgh

Does anyone have a better version of "Fun with a Pencil" that doesn't have the "we start with a bull"-type grammatical errors?

>>6885970
why are you reading the words

>>6885600
This book is very good, but it's worth remembering he originally wrote it for his figure drawing students as a supplement to his classes. I suggest watching his Analytical Figure Drawing course. You'd get very thorough lectures about each topic he covers in the book, and he gives homework after each of them. Them you can use the book as a complement.

>>6885996
Honestly, that's a good question. I gave up looking for a "better copy" and just moved on.

>>6885871
Is close enough good enough? I don’t know, drawing too tightly will leave no space for the painting to speak right?
I advised someone to get his proportion straight if he wants to paint properly but seeing him paint without a care of accurate results made me think, am I lingering too much in the drawing stage?
The painting itself should be capable of expressing everything and sustain itself just like good lineart can be art even without any kind of shading or color. The painting speaks for itself.
Well what if the painting spills a lot of bullshit? The drawing should anchor it right?
However if you work up the drawing too much you have little to no space left to actually develop the piece in painting, or is it?
I don’t bother too much with the drawing but many painting mistakes are also drawing ones, especially when it comes to edges.
What I mean is defining everything early on within the drawing stage may stifle you own efforts, the scaffolding is too good, you rely on it too much rather than facing values, hues and saturation head on.
Should drawing be a crutch or is it the launching stage to developing paintings?
I guess the answer depends on when you put your pen down and go for a walk

>>6886025
If it looks bad, it's wrong.

Ey guys, love any critiques on this dude.

Heres a dude from a week ago for comparison to see if im going in the right direction

>>6886025

>>6886105
>>6886109
try toning down the aggressive hatching if you're already going to do the darker values using paint

>>6886105
what materials are you using? I'd like an easy + fast method to add some color to my work >>6886035

>>6885875
permabeg and crab trapped. stop giving advice

>>6886120
yeah probably good idea, ill give that a few goes to compare results
>>6886125
just some moderately cheap watercolor paints and cheap amazon brushes, theres some good tutorials online and also some nice tutorials ive been doing on domestika (which you can probably pirate if your cheap). All of my first one sucked, but you can get to mediocrity pretty quick from my own experience

>>6885718
Don't outline lips and eyes. Observe where the shadows actually are, and where they merge into a single shadow shape, like the brow and eye here.

Do that and clean up the extra lines and you'll end up with a half-decent likeness. The rest is all about getting the proportions right.

>>6886151
Damn, very simple changes but it fixed alot
Any books you recommend about drawing faces.
Also one that talk about the shadow thing you mention?

tst

day 88
i did some more work on the tree

>>6885531
im in there twice? and why is my car named /int/, are these op pictures just deliberately unintelligible?
>>6885555
>>6886025
do you know the definition of insanity

>>6886112
sinix eyes

>>6886169
make shoulders uneven

>>6886025
>>6885555
The stylization of the references is fine.

Figure out how to better render the hair and finish more of each piece.

>>6885564
done

>>6886228
works great as a reaction image
do you wanna watermark it/add signature before I use this on /adv/ or /bant/ or on another godforsaken board

>>6886243
I'm humbled you think it's worth saving.
I dont give a fuck about credit. I'd just be happy to see someone randomly use one of my pics somewhere.

Sorry about the scalie, but gotten back into digi art after a while on trad for the month. And gotten back into Bridgman x Hampton. stuff. Currently gonna delve into the 3d to 2d work flow, for character designs. --

>>6886283
-- previous human head design here. Using a tech nib pen. Even with stabalization; bit tricky for flow constant, so may have to adjust it. Especially when the max pressure size on CSP gets to 8px to 20px. Just dont wanna make it artificially stiff.

Just some skulls, sorry if it's too spooky for the amateur coom general

>>6885875
MFW the permabeg tries to give me advice.

good or bad

bad

>>6886325
Clean it up.
You'll see.

>>6886289
SOVL.
>>6886283
Tiny hands.

>>6885834
Good stuff man!
I added some things you should take another look at.
What might help is doing contour lines aswell, like a 3d grid across the forms.

>>6886151
OP here, holy shit, thanks anon. I'll take that into mine.

In hindsight I got lazy with the lips and shadows, you're right. And that eye fix is blowing my mind.

I'll probably reference other drawings from reference instead of just reference until I nail down the "draw what you see don't get lazy" mindset. Or maybe like warm up with upside down pictures.

I know how to get the horizon line from any picture with clear parallel lines. But when I try to analyze portraits like this I don't know what to really look for since its all just round shapes and dramatic angles.

I can guesstimate by just seeing what I can see the top of but I want to be accurate. Any advice on this?

>>6886405
I can smell the sunscreen on her skin and hear the crickets in the grass ...
... oh god I am so lonely..

>>6886405
Know the underlying structure.

>>6886405
Look at the shoulders they are parallel to each other and they are pointing at the vanishing point, same with the nipples, you are likely confused cause the head is tilted instead of straight up

I won’t be drawing for this thread, either.

>>6886151

Attempting to implement some of this anons suggestions, thought? calling it a day on polishing this and moving on for now. Great exercise and thanks for all the advice.

>>6886581
Are those supposed to be perspective lines?
I'm gonna need you to read a book.

>>6886583

Fuck no lol I erased my lines, those ones I just thought looked cool. they serve no purpose otherwise.

But if you have a book to suggest I won't stop you.

>>6885555
Can you post the ref pic alone? I assume it's been resized

>>6886312
niiice

>>6886148
Do you need special ink?

Can you recommend books with a lot of fundamental basic exercises?

>>6886617
Not a book but do drawabox and along side that draw what you like and post it for critique.

Drawabox is free.

>>6886325
A little messy, but good

>>6886581
much better. Seeing shadows as their own parts is one of the redpills of drawing. You can't unsee it once you see them. Its like negative space.

awful or bad

awful
how mkultra'd are you that you would draw basedjaks

Back to Bridgman after a couple weeks of packing and unpacking for a move. Heads still feel like a slog. On page 86. Can't wait to be done with them.

>>6886648
have you read up on figure drawing and anatomy etc before you started copying bridgman?

>>6885555
Try putting a grid on the ref so you can better proportion everything.

Hello frens

>>6886617
Famous Artists Course.

>>6885531
Oh shit /beg/int/ with a car.

>>6886653
Drew through Marvel, and did fiddled with timed poses for a few weeks before, yes. Might actually get a chance to go to school next fall so it'll be a bit strange having presumably draw through Bridgman twice before starting the figure drawing year.

>>6886443
I'll take it. Feels pretty accurate, thanks.

>>6885875

>>6886633

>>6886735
Nice, Any tips for finding the horizon point in images where the horizon point is outside the camera's view?

I am GOING to kill myself.

>Drawing a portrait
>Draw a vertical line first
>Later notice that line was entirely the wrong angle

Is there a cure for this particular level of brain damage? I struggle to internalize length and width too.

>>6886854
There is. Pay more attention and spend more time with the setup

>>6885875
What the fuck is that background you're drawing on? Loomis is harmful as fuck

>>6886391
thanks for the advice! My figure drawing is understandably a bit rusty since I spent the last couple weeks focusing exclusively on heads, but I'll definitely give this a shot!

>>6886837
same

>>6885875
Just keep going. I really think you'd be better served if you made heads of your own instead of just copying what's already there, because of that you're not really treating the sphere as a 3D object to sculpt forms around.

How the fuck do you begin with skin shading/coloring from flats?? Not hyper realistic but rather soft and bit stylized. Nothing i try to render looks good. Perhaps Im not following anatomy but i really dont know.
Any good videos to get into it properly?

Begginer here.
Trying my best but don't know how to proceed.
Any help?
Also I have an issue with plaster coming off the wall, any ideas how to preserve the wall to prevent the detoriation?

>>6886930
draw cubes on walls

>>6886854
use your pencil to measure angles and remember they are just guidelines

>>6886854
I fucked up the same way here >>6886077

My experience is that if it doesn't look good at the beginning, it's not going to look better with more work. If something looks off at any point you need to stop, take a step back and reevaluate at the most basic level.

>>6886915
Use a reference. Separate shadow and light first. You can add more values and soften edges later. Shadow describes 3d form.

i'm almost at my box quota for today, how to i get motivation to push for the last few?

>>6886633
I really like this

>>6886977
nevermind, i just stopped being a bitch and got those last few boxes. it's actually kind of appalling when i compare the first few to the last ones, how much more three-dimensional and "right" they look. 40 a day is kind of getting to me, thoughbeit

Am pretty proud of the arm I drew, though I botched the hand on the left really bad so I decided to just move onto doing the arm as I got bored of it.

It is VERY close to the original picture, not quite as detailed of course and there are some scale issues here and there but it's virtually spot on despite that.

The bottom left was just a random thing I drew when drawing ellipses...I have a good idea of how ellipses relate to things now so I have a limited object construction ability.

Spoon from life. Unrelated but there was a western artist sketching awesome heads from imagination live on Twitch a few years ago and I can't find him anymore, does anyone know someone like that? Can't remember his name either since his channel had an average "X sketches" name before he changed it. He was so good.

>>6886633
Tried rendering the fruit a bit more
>>6886978
Thanks. The palm on your pic looks good to me, but the lines at the elbow seem very wrong
>>6886903
Height of an adult human figure is about 7-8 heads. Unless you meant to draw a giant, it looks wrong

>>6887058
Did you pick colors directly from ref?

>>6887062
It's from life so no obviously, but maybe I'm dumb and you were trying to make a point: does it look washed out or something?

>>6887068
Nah it's suspicious. Probably just severe autism and 100+ hours.

>>6887071
Suspicious in what way? Also here's another from a while ago, same desk same lighting.

>>6887061
>Unless you meant to draw a giant, it looks wrong
Yeah I guess looking at it again I can see it now. Proportions are hard.

Think I'm finished with this, anything look outright bad here with the blending/lighting? Any general recs?

>>6887075
take it as a compliment anon. he just didn't think you could be this good so he thinks you must've done something, without knowing that colour picking really doesn't help a whole lot in your situation.
if I had to nitpick I'd say the lines and squiggles are too distracting and to change them to shapes

>>6887086
Thanks for the critique, my brushwork sucks so much I totally see why it would be distracting, I'll strive to improve.

>>6885614
There you go. I did it in ink so I wouldn't go erasing every line 10 times after drawing it.

Sadly I often noticed that things don't quite line up, or the shape isn't quite the same as in the ref only after actually making the mark. Same as when I make my regular drawings. Guess I should draw more, huhh???

I feel that something is objectively wrong here..

>>6887110
yeah the gun's upside down!!

>>6887112
oh shit didn't notice that

>>6887095
Good. Now copy this one as accurately as you can. Don't come back until you make a copy that's nearly identical.

>>6886219
Thanks

>>6886170
Try putting a core shadow/darker value along the edge between your lights and darks, will sell it a bit more.
You must be insane to keep drawing in the age of photography and AI, better abandon everything so ai-fags can occupy your niche, regardless you ain’t that skilled too right?
It takes quite a little bit of insanity to pursue anything to any meaningful degree?
Everyone can find a reason to give up, persistence is inherently unreasonable. Borderline crazy actually, look up history, how many artists were sound of mind? Does that mean you gotta be insane to do it? Absolutely not, besides this feels more like a cope than anything at this point so keep at it anon

>>6887110
other than the obvious
>why?
the index finger is pretty broken.

flats
>>6887085
pbased. You got maybe stand to brighten the wood and the ground right beneath him just a tad, but I get you're going for a vibe. The shadow you added to the axe makes it feel a bit thiccc. Good work though

I decided inktober sucks and I don't want to do it anymore

>>6887190
*Throbs*

>>6886610
yeah i use waterproof ink

Loom beg! I loom looming loom. It is all loomover.

>>6887190
very cool and coomable. bad value range though
>>6887183
lmao i kneel
>>6887085
the composition is too busy. there is simply too much going on and the big contrast of white-black blinds the viewer from noticing the subtle details in dark. i recc changing the pure white into some less agressive color or dull shade of gray
>>6887058
i kneel
>>6886930
keys to drawing. practice first on paper in safety of your art basement and go vandalize public property only once you are happy with your piece on paper
>>6886915
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/102
>>6886903
yes loomis
>>6886863
it is white FFFFFF background loomis
>>6886837
eh next time you will do better. have you read keys to drawing? it has whole ass process on how to accurately draw portrait with steps ensuring accuracy to prevent what happened to you with the eyes placement
>>6886664
did you draw that?
>>6886655
thumbs up
>>6886405
to find horizon simply look at forms (booba, head) and determine if you are seeing their TOP or BOTTOM. We can see top of her tits so horizon is ABOVE them. We cannot see top of her head, so horizon is bellow her head. pro beg tip: 99% of photos the horizon is exactly on eye level of people in it: because photographers hate squatting so they take photo standing. eye level = horizon
>>6886283
i kneel
>>6885923
i am now practicing drawing without reference so accuracy is irrelevant. it is all about getting "memory" of what head is supposed to look like and then draw it in same angle and pose as the ref was. and yes i suck really bad at it. Practicing more observational drawing would only lead to PROKO path and i dont want that. i want to be free of references. being limited by references is so not cool. i wanna be free, to ascend from begdom

>>6885531
>made it 2 times in a row in a beg thread OP

Later virgins.

>>6887260
hold up, there was one thread between those. forgot srry

How do I deal with the gut punch that I feel everytime I look at my art and realize how shit it is?

>>6887281
Use it as fuel. Remind yourself that if you give up now, you'll be trash forever. Keep pushing
>>6887263
Don't apologize for greatness

>>6887281
Do a careful, accurate master copy. Once you realize you are capable of producing something that's not shit, it will get easier.

>>6887239
You need to stop lil bro. Just watch the Rino tuna course and start making your coom brain, I can't keep seeing these fucking ugly ass boomer faces fr fr you need to stop senpai.

>>6887183
thanks for the feedback, I see what you mean especially with the axe
>>6887239
can you elaborate on "busy composition"? Also, I don't know if I necessarily agree with your take on the white-black, the image should be large enough where the woodsman+forest are in full view, so I don't think it'll be a problem

>>6887293
I think the composition is fine anon but I think you should keep the hard edge of the silhouette all the way and the white should be the same color.
oh and get rid of the cum stains on his boots they stand out too much

>>6887302
>keep the hard edge of the silhouette
I'll think about this, but the "dissolving" look on the left is a bit of a personal preference
>the white should be the same color
I'm sorry I'm actually a brainlet, same color as which?
>get rid of the cum stains on his boots they stand out too much
kek yeah they are a little goopy. Going by the character design and the fact it's shiny leather, they'll need to stay, but I'll really rethink how I do this so they don't look like cum ropes

Color study,
I feel like the one in the back is better even though it was quite effortless

>>6887309
there's 2 shades of white bottom left

>>6887316
ohhh, now I see what you mean. Yeah, now that I look at it, it is weird. Thanks

>>6887316
>>6887321
wow, at first it seemed like a small detail, but I blended it properly and now it looks so much better, good call anon, thanks

>>6887281
look at your past art and realize you're better than before and keep pushing

How do I go from THIS...

... to THIS?

>>6887398
the blue is way too saturated

>>6887405
That is obvious. How do I fix it?

>>6887142
no i mean you keep making the exact same mistakes every anon points out for like 7 drawings now
also there's no core shadow visible in the reference and the object is too small for core shadows anyway
Also when AI is capable of drawing my characters consistently in the exact positions i want them to then I will quit. Oh wait I still need to draw the initial reference sheet for the ai so I guess I can't quick anyway

>>6887239
>bad value range
yeah I agree, fixed it now

>>6886325
Mostly quite good, some minor bad, keep it up.

I have crippling depression, and when I took antidepressants I was reborn for 6 months, started to learn to code and rizz up bitches but now they pooped out and I'm a sad little vegetable again, then I want to a world renowned mental health clinic for a month and they couldn't help me either, quite the opposite, is started drinking again after that, it's over.

>>6887314
Study value

>>6887471
Did you draw this? Don't throw it all away, this is soulful, cultivate your skills. Good luck anon.

>>6887480
Yes, but AI art got me demoralized hard

>>6887471
I know you can make it anon.

>>6887482
I preferred it when you retards just posted new threads.

>>6887486
The universe has you in it so it's not indifferent.

>>6887482
Don't worry anon, G.R.R. Martin is prepping a real nice wedding for Sam Altman's ass. AI art is out there forever but it will be regulated, it's in your best interest to keep learning to become really good at what you enjoy doing.

>>6887423
You do know you can exaggerate things, right?
It’s not in the reference, who cares? If it looks good put it on

>>6887509
well it doesn't really look good

Look it was a suggestion, if you don’t see it keep doing your thing

haven’t been practicing every day, but trying to get into a routine.. still doing mostly gesture drawing and haven’t even touched anatomy yet, but i’m thinking of doing just some torso/arms tomorrow.

prolly a dumb question to ask, but is that artwad program any good? Finally have a shit ton of time to myself and it'd be nice to learn how to draw shit.

>>6887408

NTA, but the oversaturation look is because the original is implying a second light source reflecting onto that shadow. Establish a core shadow and then render the reflected light.

If you're asking the technicals of how to physically do that with your medium, I have no idea, I work in charcoal.

>>6886025
Dude. You do NOT have to be a master draftsman OR painter to create a good piece of art. Like someone said, it just has to look good. That comes from the gut. Like I said before in another thread, I knew by the age of 7 or 8 that I was gonna be a decent artist. Sometimes people have to accept, it's not in me. It could be dormant, but from what I see, you are having trouble CREATING art. You don't even finish your work probably.
You don't have to be a dope draftsman. Hell, I'm not. You don't have to be a dope painter. I not that good at that either. You just have to come from a certain place. You know if you got it. Most don't and never will.

Hi there! I'm hoping I can get some advice/criticism on my rendering (I have no idea what the fuck im doing)

day 89
it doesn't look good which is not the issue, the issue is that I honestly don't know how I could have done this again but better, my only idea is to use a different brush
well this is is literally the opposite of my comfort zone, so what would you expect

>>6887511
i ended up taking your advice anyway
>>6887595
not enough depth, too uniform
>>6887471
i feel like I would enjoy going to a psych ward

Sketch WIP I'm working on

>>6887615
cute spider

I f'in hate shading bros

>>6887595
heres another one :D Thank you for the criticism so far

>>6885552

This is the only drawing from recent memory I feel proud of

Getting back on the horse with 5 min gesture/figure studies after not drawing for 6 months. Want to make drawing a daily habit from today onward.

>>6886633
>>6887061
gem

>>6887711

>>6887720

>i will never be able to draw good basedjaks because i'm just not capable of directing that much hatred into something

>>6887711
>>6887720
>>6887726
Looks good maybe you should finish one completely. Where are you getting the male references I'm looking for some because I realized? I only have female ones

>>6886207
thanks

>>6887748
Yeah working on other stuff like portraits right now. I just want to keep up the habit of quick gestures/figures. I bought the set of academic male and female from grafit studios. Shared the pack here on /ic/ last year

>>6887239
>did u draw that
just got excited to see a car. and yes I did.

>>6887800
draw this

>>6887815
>slop

>>6887818
unslop it

>>6887815
I don't draw cars all that much. It's a once in a blue moon thing. Also, this is not a request thread. Also, not into JDM, sorry.

>>6887834
i wasnt requesting

>>6887835
ok lmao

dont @me

ok i recently decided to take drawing seriously after years of 3/4 waist up anime characters with no construction. my question is am i going about this right, i use morphos simplified forms book for help but i can't tell if im making the right shapes, should i erase and redraw, or what. i really want to learn how to properly construct with forms. left is a trace of the picture. also i didnt draw her hands or feet because im too stupid to learn those right now, mostly im trying to figure out legs but im struggling.

if anyone has any sort of advice or tips i would appreciate it

>>6887856
>i can't tell if im making the right shapes,
master copies, master copies, master copies

Drawing from real life is a surefire way to a land in a dumpster fire. Even realistic painters from the 1800's would make you copy Bargue and Julien, before moving onto plaster casts of STATUES, and then finally the life drawing model as the last stage. They went through years of nothing but copying from other artwork.

You should just get an anime and copy that frame by frame, along with copying Morpho for the realistic anatomy. When you do a study, redraw it from memory, so you get an easy transition to drawing from imagination

>>6887860
hey, thanks for the advice! i’m going to do some master copies soon. also do you mean i shouldn’t use real people references at all? or just sparingly

>>6887875
you should do real figures too so you know what you're stylizing

>>6887860
pyw?

>>6887856
draw the same thing 10 times with 10 different time limits, your brain will eventually pick it up

>>6887058
jens claessens

>>6887860
That’s a weird advice.
You sounds like you knows what you are saying but this kinda goes against the general consensus that drawing from life is important.

How would you change or improve this image?

>>6887120
Copying that seems kinda silly, you should recommend he memorizes it so he can draw it from memory
Copying only trains proportion and eye to hand coordination

You need to engage your visual memory

Does anyone recommend drawing on their phone in order to get started and get some practice in drawing with my finger? Every once in a while I try to do a silly sketch of something that comes to mind but I always get discouraged so easily but if I don’t get serious about it now I probably never will. I got a laptop with a pen but I barely use it because it’s so tedious. Should I just get a drawing tablet instead?

>>6887110
Yes, the arm is too short, you should do Scott Roberton's multiplication exercise, draw a centerline on the middle of the body then create a quadrilateral that is the appropiate lenght for both arms, you'll realize the arm coming towards you is too short

Trying to learn the Asaro head, got distracted doodling non sense
https://i.imgur.com/bzhkT6N.png

>>6887856
You're doin fine, keep practicing with photo reference of legs https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/random , you can do it anon! Also nice ref

>>6887860
unironically this
I would also add Stonehouse and anatomy for sculptors as the holy trinity of anatomy books
>>6887909
Drawing from real life is a beg trap since first you need to know how to simplify anatomy into lines and nothing is better than studying artwork from professionals to learn how to do it.

>>6885531
Test

>>6887925
>Copying trains proportion and eye to hand coordination
Yes. Exactly.

>>6887951
But so does memory drawing
Copying mindlessly doesn't seem to help me create a solid visual memory, at least to me

Where do i look for the Hampton's analytical figure drawing course? All i found were ten years old yt videos.
Don't see the course anywhere on Udemy or such.

>>6887973
Its in CGpeers, ask in the video course general maybe someone has it there

>>6887982,
>Registration is currently Closed. (Currently invite only)
Too bad...
At least i found two torrents linking to it on Piratebay.
Hopefully they are legit and seeded somewhat reasonably

>>6887987
>No seeds
>The old /ic/ pastebin only has an outdated Mega link
So over.

>>6887949
I see.
But just to clarify, would you suggest copying real anatomy (ie, humans with normal proportions, such as Bridgeman) or stylised work? (Anime, and comics)

>>6887987
Ask in the video general if someone with access to cgpeers is willing to upload it, I don't understand why CGpeers closed invitations

>>6887949
You’re the one who drew this? Pretty cool if so.
Did you studied real life at all then?

>>6887949
are those from imagination?

>>6885531
how do people draw so much? i feel tired after only 2 hours

Hows this girl look?

Help anons, why does the face shape so look so weird?

>>6888030
It looks nice but her ribcage is way too big. Look up Makima’s reference sheet, her torso is around 1.5 heads long, bust is around same width as side view head

>>6888024
Two hours of constant and uninterrupted drawing is a lot of a beginner. Take a rest so you don’t burn out.

Couldnt find the Hampton courses. Anyone got any other figure drawing? Preferably one that'll keep me supplied with some concrete homework.

Also, what was the name of that pose archive website? Something like pose philosophy or smth

I haven’t drawn yet and I don’t plan to. Happy Friday the 13th!

>>6888024
I have a pocket sketchbook, having it always on me helps me to draw more. I usually draw boxes there when I'm bored.

>>6888030
Terrible

>>6887949
the image on the right and character is referenced, i saw it on twitter but i don't know who the character is.

>>6888030
I really like the watercolors in this

>>6887999
I would recommend studying artwork by artists who inspire you, and an anatomy book like Morpho if you want to draw female figures to understand the artist anatomical choices
>>6888008
I used to in the past, but nowadays my studies are almost exclusively artwork from pros

>>6888092
It is, I did the study to learn the character
After that I did this one from imagination

>>6888100
how long have you been drawing?

>>6888104
Seriously for 4 years but I used to draw when I was a kid

>>6887916
I feel like you could still exaggerate the shoulder and hip movement further to go with her tilted expression

The sticky is down and i coulnt find the hampton tutorials.
I'll just default to drawabox and some dinos drawn from ref.

>>6888100
Its cute but I think it would be better if you used irl reference.

Rough draft

Almost done with a 100 page sketchbook for the first time ever. First 3rd or so was draw a box, then most the rest is Marvel and Bridgman.

>>6887949
do you just copy the illustrations from those books or what
i feel like i can just waste hours actually reading through them (mostly because i like it)

>>6888149
extremely based. I'm 1/3 through mine rn

>>6888180
NTA but I haven't read a single word of Bridgman.

Can i do drawabox on a graphic tablet or is that NGMI behaviour?

>>6888202
all digital "artists" are ngmi

>>6888202
I think it's fine to use a tablet. Doing it on paper would be easier doe due to better friction. Another benefit of doing it on paper is that you can't erase indefinitely and have to move on

>>6888215
You aren`t funny, just retarded.

>>6888227
'Sup, Ranjid?

>>6888232
Now that would be funny if it wasn`t sad. Clowns doubling down...

>>6888233
>>6888232
>>6888227
>>6888215
GO DRAW YOU DUMB FUCKERS. LIFE IS TICKING AWAY AND HERE YOU ARE, NOT FUCKING DRAWING

>>6888237
Based, yeah. Bless you.

>>6888237
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFhRfbaQMno

>>6888243
https://youtu.be/VBGal1XGSVg?si=iIzBosw18JF1IS_C

>>6888127
True it would look more dynamic in that pose.
Thanks for the feedback and draw over, this is just a quick shuffle around but I'll continue to draw

>>6888215
You don't even draw.

>>6888127
btw I really like your folds and line work @_@ thank you again

>>6888148
Based.

what's a good video course for a zoomer(me) that wants to learn how to draw

>>6888341
unironically here are some good options

Basics (START HERE), learning to draw and draft well, intro to fundamentals:
Proko basics (newer one still in progress, not expensive. Pretty well done)
Eviston art and science of drawing (Very solid, do the homework and your drafting skill will improve)

Perspective (DON'T SKIP PERSPECTIVE):
Marshalls 1994 video course (Good introduction, do the homework)

Figure:
Eviston or Proko's figure drawing first (You can even begin with the youtube content)
**Once you have some introduction and figure drawing under your belt, go to Vilppu or Hampton. Anatomy can come way later and you can learn anatomy as you go.

Want to learn digital painting? (after you get intro'd to the fundamentals):
CTRL PAINT Basics (Short and helpful)
Hardy Digital Painting Fundamentals
John Sweeney - Digital Illustration Theory and Process
Christophe Young's digital painting workshops (helped me breakthrough in understanding blending in photoshop)

Motivation?:
Kalen Chock - How I became an artist (free on his gumroad)

Recommended reading for a zoomer to get their shit together way ahead of their peers:
Getting things Done by David Allen
Someday is Today by Matthew Dicks
War of Art by Stephen Pressfield

>>6888361
i'm not amazing, but drawing is becoming more fun over time

So I dunno, when I tried drawing in the past I struggled to really get my hands to do what I wanted, but after studying references for two weeks and doing them daily, I find that my ability to get my hands to do what I want has improved...still not great, but I can feel my grasp of things improving gradually over time.

Is this maybe the main thing many beginners should do? Just draw what they see until they get the hang of it, and then do the more complicated stuff? I just find that I can draw what I want better (and have a better sense of proportion and all that) after two weeks which I am still quite amazed by, even if I am still nowhere near close to great just yet.

Is this a brain rewiring itself sorta thing if someone starts drawing when they are older?

I dindu a drawing today.

>>6888368
yes, but I also recommend these to you too >>6888361

>>6888386
>Marshalls 1994 video course

I'll check that out, thanks!

>>6888368
Who would have thought.

>>6888448
this is what happens when someone just draws.

my picture doesnt look good as the real thing where i can see the strokes better

>>6885531
Same old feces
https://youtu.be/crIkng8D46o

>>6888476
how many minutes on each? What refs are you using?

>>6888368
congratulations. Welcome to day 1 of actually improving

Drawabox says that i need fineliners and professional pens but i'd rather do it digitally.
I think i will do what's probably and NGMI move and just do all of it digitally. Sorry!
I will do it in its entirety and try my best though! Hopefully that'll outweigh my great sin!

>>6888490
25-30 min. I get refs from gfxdomain.co

so what guide should I follow to learn how to draw digitally?

>>6888656
ctrlaltpaint

>>6888670
looks like it has a lot of good resources, but does it also teach you how to draw in general? cause I still suck at it.

>>6888671
Pretty sure it has a section on that.

>>6888672
oh neat. I'll look through it more and see how it'll help me. thanks anon.

I have a ton of time on my hands and was looking to actually give a shit about art. Never drawn much in my life past bullshit doodles. I read a bit of the beginning of the sticky and it had a lot of great information, but I've also heard a LOT of good things about Draw-a-box.
Should I follow the sticky religiously or use draw-a-box as a main resource? Or maybe use draw-a-box as a solid fundamentals guide while supplementing it with everything else in the sticky as part of my own time?
My goal is to draw digitally, I don't have a large interest in drawing on paper, but I'll do it if it means getting better in the grand scheme.

>>6888679
pyw

>>6888310
>>6888285
np!
also I forgot to say, nice rendering!

>>6888365
you better render those skulls fully....

>>6888361
Thanks a lot for the recommendations. Will try them out. I might go with the Eviston thing because having actual "homework" will keep me on track.

some advice to draw more dynamic bodies? cuz me bad when bodies moving

thats the movement that i can put on a draw without making it a eldritch horror, feel free to roast if u want ig

Well, here's the final drawing of this sketchbook.

>>6888685
Uhh I straight up don't have any. I guess that probably means I should just pick one and go.

>>6888709
Draw the upside down guy from the sticky then.
You can't be an artist with no art.

>>6888689
post your work as you do the class to keep yourself accountable

>>6888686
I will not, but I will draw more

>>6888707
Midface too long. There shoukd only be a bit more than a finger's width between the bottom of the eyesocket and the top of the nose bulb.

>>6888721
>post your work as you do the class to keep yourself accountable
Sounds like a good idea. Also, to make sure; this is the Evision course you were talking about, right? https://www.skillshare.com/en/classes/Basic-Skills-Getting-Started-with-Drawing/637385311?via=user-profile

I can't feel my index finger

>>6888739
Thank you, I see it now. Also think the face below should be angled a bit further inward.

memeing around with a marker

Sup beg. I reached the section where loomis is drawing normal looking heads. It will take me century to learn this.

>>6888781
kinda good for just a memeing
>>6888679
>also heard a LOT of good things about Draw-a-box
is this a joke? is today an opposite day? have "fun" with boxes
>religiously
no use your own head. i recc keys to drawing
>>6888385
this is cool
>>6888202
yes, digital and trad is the same fucking thing. the better question is why would anyone subject themselves to the torture of DaB
>>6888152
it probably looks better in real life. kinda blurry and low contrast
>>6887916
i kneel
>>6887293
>elaborate on "busy composition"
there is simply too much stuff going on, two completely different art styles clashing with each other, like you could split the image into two and each of them would hold their art ground separately

>misplace eye by 2mm
>entire drawing ruined

fugg

>>6887711
Funny, I drew that same image
https://youtu.be/LhRFiEWNAq4

Any former /depressed/ bros here? Can't tell if I don't practice drawing because I'm (officially diagnosed) depressed or just don't want to. I have no desire to do anything else I like but it's hard to tell if there's a difference between that and this because I feel like I want to do it but get sad every time I open a sketchbook. I don't get my meds for another week or two

>>6888865
Take vitamin D supplements daily.

>>6888865
me but when I draw the bad thoughts go away so I end up drawing a lot

>>6888881
Shit my mom keeps saying that every time I mention I'm sad or tired. I should probably actually do this
>>6888887
Hopefully me one day bros...

Me personally I just take long breaks from drawing out of laziness. When I get back into it I really get back into it and always finish my pieces even if they don't always turn out great.

Basically I have trouble starting pieces but I don't have any trouble actually finishing them

>>6888865
Im looking to get anti depressants, Im tired of just dealing with this. Never took any meds in my life for it and just rolled with it. but its gotten to the point that i can't take it anymore. Do i need a prescription?

>>6888936
>>Do i need a prescription?
yeah. the prescribed shit is what really works, but the pills usually have heavy side effects. the one i took made me lose a shit ton of weight, so I wasn't depressed, but I was weak as shit.

>>6888810
What's wrong with draw a box? I don't like it but it does explicitly tell you that it isn't fun when you start it. Is there something better?

block hands were a nice example for starting with the hands

im kind of autistic and struggle with approaching a new hobby if i dont have a solid outline of how to approach it at each step of the journey.
is the sticky something you should follow as a long term guideline?

>>6888864
Is dis trad?

>>6888940
Works for me. Which one was it?

any ADHD bros have tricks for studying boring shit when you first start?
copying bridgeman twice is a slog

I've regressed so much I can't even do Drawabox anymore. There's something severely wrong with me

>>6888865
I think it's too late for me. Multiple month long breaks, cant even do perspective fundies. Progressively getting worse. Late 20s

>>6888753
That's right, the course used to be one course but now it's split into a few different ones. Basic skills, dynamic mark making, form and space/3D

>>6888864
it's a good pack. i love all the poses

Really unhappy with how this one turned out. Wasted so much time on it, and the end result is shit.

>>6889027
anon how much do you draw? you spent way too long on this

>>6889027
cheer up, it's not so bad. The colors add a lot to the original, it would look dull without it. Lights and shadows are important

struggled with all the 5 min poses today. need to do some slower observation studies.

>>6888995
have a podcast/documentary/video/movie/livestream playing on the bg
having different things to occupy the empty space helps, silence and peace disrupt adhd people more than chaos

>>6888995
https://pomofocus.io/

>>6885531
What am i doing wrong?

>>6889096
head, neck, shoulder width.

>>6888990
you can theoretically grind fundies for draftsmanship but you will probably just hate drawing if you do that. Just draw what you want to draw, get into a habit, maybe think about "what could I have done better?" in a non-judgmental way

>>6888865
So you actually dont draw?

>>6888036
bit late but try practicing drawing faces, you just need more mileage in head construction

day 90
Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to draw. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for drawing backgrounds at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.

I was supposed to draw environments for the last 10 days but I was already doing that for the past few days anyway

>>6887949
hmm ok
>>6888030
proportions off
>>6889027
construction claims another soul

>>6889172
>>6889172
>>6889172
>>6889172
migrate whenever

>>6888936
I'm not that other anon but I'm the one who posted my depression post first
It really depends. My doctor is pretty focused on what portions of my brain are causing me trouble (OCD, sad center lol) and is prescribing meds based on that. He's even said that if he overdoses me I'll end up a zombie until it's fixed. The goal is to hit a mid ground where I'm comfortable being alive with myself. If you can find a doctor that's honest with you I think that's best. Sorry if this is kinda incoherent I'm trying to run out of my booze stock since it doesn't mix with ssris
>>6889015
Never too late, I think. You don't have to be good to enjoy something, and you can't be good to get good
>>6889143
It depends on the week but rn yeah I don't. I'm not a crab poster tho

>>6888865
Yes, Selegiline and Modafinil/exercise and cold showers got me out of it. Depression is partly an illusion, any of the rationalizatiojns you give yourself for the way you feel will literally stop meaning anything once you get up and rolling