/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6876980
Thank you for sharing, please post more.

>>6876991
How intense. Keep them coming.

>>6876991
>>6876980
Can you make the windstorm and bukkake cumstorm instead? Thanks

>>6876999
Fuck off.

really good detail on the hands in these pics

i like some of this guy's mikus
@/Callimiya
this image has a billion trillion likes on twitter. its so over

>>6877015
It's... it' bots! fuck off aifag. He botted those! Everyone hates ai fuck off soulles corposhmuch, okay?

>>6877015
Meh, there are better ones out there that don't have skewed facial proportions.

and when I wake up I want to see this thread full of Mikus. This one one, don't be a faggot /ic/.

>>6877018
You zoomers just shitting internet up with your presense.
Most self unaware generation.

>>6877031
Why so angry, gramps? Bad knees?

>>6877045
>https://news.yahoo.com/gen-z-falls-more-online-224429158.html
zoomers are the worst fucking generation this planet has ever seen. gen alpha will be even worse

>>6876980
Now gen her eating something

This AI does this shit effortlessly while making an illustration like this would take me hours

Miyazaki was right

>>6877162
>OIG(61)
mental illness. it wouldn't take you hours, because you can't draw shit.

/ic/bros... I don't feel so good...

>>6876980
>>6876991
Makes sense that Hatsune Miku is the easiest one to generate.

>>6877184
not really, on the old stable diffusion you needed weights to get a proper miku

>6877018
if anything you are dedicated to your shitposting and misdirecting. transparent yet dedicated

>>6877162

You could already generate endless Mikus with SD, it's just that now the technology has become accessible to normalfags.

>>6877208
Pokemon trainer Miku!

>>6877191
The artists just aren't drawing enough mikus, if an AI can fill this gap then it needs to be done

>>6877212
This! More Mikus = better world!

>/ic/bros... I don't feel so good...

Artist are you okay. are you okay artist?

Funny how AIcels cope with AI generated art using AI generated art

>>6877224
kek how did you get that camera footage look?

>>6877229
Just add "bodycam footage" to the prompt

>>6877232
nice thanks

>>6877237

>>6876980
You forgot to add "please generate decent looking hands".

>>6877162
>making an illustration like this would take me hours
You are unable to draw an illustration like this, no matter how nonsensical that mechanical structure is.
Stop fooling yourself, scrub.

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>>6877241
these are great. finally something that isn't just generic anime girl. this is what every AI thread should be.

i love how art is a window into the mind of the person behind it, even in the case of ai generated art

>he thinks an idea is art
lmao

>Let's dab on AI art by generating AI art
lol, lmao even
microsoft and openai thank you for testing their system for free

>microsoft and openai thank you for testing their system for free

>>6877259
>STOP SIR, DO NOT REDEEM! YOU ARE NOT GENERATING 1 GIRL, SOLO, GENERIC, SOULLESS ACCORDING TO PROTOCOL!

>>6877259
Are atists really this stupid?
>You know what'll really show them?! If we do exactly what they want us to do and start generating art!
>YEAH! WE WIN!
Holy kek

>>6877259
>>6877269
Who cares, generate more Mikus!

>why aren't artists using AI? get on with the times already
>uuuuh, wow you artists use AI? you think this will make you win?

>The "artists" generate vile disgusting pictures no one wants to look at
>The "techbros" generate aesthetically pleasing pictures of cute girls
It's over

Most this can be found on /pol/ plus AI thread might as well dump what ever pic here.
There cumdump of threads honestly janny sucks to much to clean might as well turn these threads to /b/ or /pol/ posts

>>6877259
>microsoft and openai thank you for testing their system for free
they'll censor the shit out of this lmao. that's the feedback they'll get :)

>NOOO AI IS NOT A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD
>NOOO WHY DO YOU RUIN MY ANIMESLOP KITSCH with your uuuh uhhhmmm...AI SLOP *farts* *sharts*

it's almost as if AI is not that good of an idea and turns everything into chaotic spam overload, while scarcity makes every piece more meorable :)

Sweaty Miku armpits!

Sporty Miku on the cover!

>>6877291
She's so CUTE!

>>6877291
>Good hands
It's over for artists

>>6877282
>NOOO AI IS NOT A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD
funny that you think it's a double edged sword now. are you finally coming around?
but that would mean you're no longer on the side of the "good guys" :(

>>6877284
since you're trying it out so much, you know that these are more or less what you asked for. they are your shitty ideas.
and they are likely more elaborate than what you wanted even.

>retard thinks asking for modular IKEA furniture makes him a carpenter
looool

how convenient that the mentally ill tripcuck showed up just now. a coincidence I'm sure :)

>6877300
>4chan the side of "good"
>on the crab board
>basically you AIniggas spammed so much it redpilled people in hating pageets
>I call that good
>t.paki

>>6877015
here is a piece from the most popular ai prompter I know of who has a billion trillion followers on twitter. #its_so_over
@/8co28

very interesting thread

>>6877303
Make one that says "Human rights are AI rights"

>it's soooo over guys

>>6877306
me on the right

>>6877305
>t.paki
Wait, are you chaos helmet guy?
You're still seething about that? Lol just let it go, we were just joking around.
Your drawings weren't horrible, you just got mogged by AI. Most people get mogged by AI, nothing to be ashamed of.

>>6877310
that prompt no longer works, this piece of garbage is getting censored to high hell. that's what you get with """"AI"""", you're suddenly not that good of an "artist" when Microcuck decides to ship an update.

>>6877306
Cute.
Do you know what model he uses? Or does he use a private model?

>>6877319
Hahaha alright.. good shit anyways

>>6877317
gigacope. newbie artists get mogged by better artists, whether it's the result of AI training or not

>>6877323
>I-I-I didn't get mogged by a literal machine! It was a better artist! I swear!!
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
That's how you sound right now.

>>6877225
Hahahahaha

>>6877317
well you don't seem to be a curry nigga but I'm edit anon. then again I don't know why you default to helmet guy when I've said before to mostly shitposts on these threads

>>6877324
if you type in "by greg rutkowski" or uses his work as training, he obviously got mogged by "greg rutkowski" not by a "literal machine". I know this cope hurts, but it's still funny to see how fast your mask dropped :)

>>6877306
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>>6877300
>pic related
>no matter how hard it tries, hands are just too hard
I kek every single time.

>>6877320
soz i hav no clue
>>6877330
very kewl

>>6877331
just fix them.

>>6877329
So what you're saying is that a machine is better at learning from "Greg Rutkowski" and make original pieces with that knowledge than you are.
You got mogged by a machine, senpai.

>>6877333
>He didn't notice that another finger is missing this time

>>6877339
>He doesn't know the character
Way to out yourself as a tourist.

>>6877335
>So what you're saying is that a machine is better at learning from "Greg Rutkowski" and make original pieces with that knowledge than you are
absolute cope right here. it "learns" in the same sense a camera "sees". it doesn't :)

>>6877341
It has nothing to do with the character, if the finger was cut off there would atleast be an indication of where the finger ends

>>6877342
If AI is like a camera, why are you guys so freaked out about it? Cameras have existed for a while and artists are still fine :)

>>6877345
false equivalence, not what was being compared. to be expected from the "I suck at making analogies" crowd

>>6877343
The finger wasn't cut off lmao

>>6877339
it's not my image. it's from /hdg/ iirc,
and again, it can be fixed.
what is the problem here? is the fact that you're not generating something in a single try cheating too?
stop assuming you have to take the AI's output as is. be more flexible.

>>6877347
then please explain? is this characters gimmick that it conforms to whatever the ai apologist needs at that very moment?

>>6877346
Hey anon did you log in on BingAI to do that? I wanna do those too

>AI is just a camera bro! It's just a dumb camera that can't learn!!!!
>AI IS NOT LIKE A CAMERA AT ALL, STOP MAKING THAT COMPARISON YOU FUCKING AI TECH BRO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
What?

>>6877354
I did, but I got banned eventually

>>6877356
True, a camera captures irl beauty.

>>6877355
gold

>>6877357
Damn, funny images though.
Gonna use a burner account for it then lmao

>>6877356
>What?
I'll be nice and assume you're retarded and not just messing around. i was comparing two misnomers. the one that "AI" is learning with the one that camera is "seeing". I wasn't saying that AI is like a camera. one's a device that captures reality, the other is a delusion fueling software :)

>>6877361
>Damn, funny images though
it's the only worth this AI crap has and it will be censored. got bored of it in 3 days though, I'm not that much of a consoomer anymore

>>6877356
Don't bother, they're in full cope mode.
Can't get a straight answer out of them.
>AI can't learn!
>AI is too good at learning [insert random twitter artist]'s artstyle!
>AI isn't real, just a grift!
>AI is going to ruin society!
It's honestly been a wild fucking ride on this board since the beginning of this year.

well I just can back from /pol/ mentioning the "body cam" prompt hopefully they'll make good use of that knowledge.
anyways see you my niggas I have work coming up

by the way, I'm not even an artist. I only like to ruin AIcuck threads on different boards. I hope you didn't have the false impression that you were taunting me til now or something

>don't bother, they're in cope mode
>anyway I'm gonna keep spamming threads to crab on people who want to develop a skill

>>6877362
>AI "learns" the way a camera "sees", it doesn't!
But AI can learn any artstyle and come up with new original images on the fly...
I might be retarded, because I seriously don't understand what you're trying to argue here...
Like, we have proof that these machines learn. It's not just me talking about some magical thing I saw in my dreams. There's papers posted every single day evaluating how absolutely insane this technology is.
Yet here you are in full denial.
I seriously don't understand.

>>6877375
you don't understand because you're a fucking moron that cannot be helped to differentiate between learning and machine "learning". and what's more, you revealed that you cannot differentiate between a human seeing and a camera "seeing"

>>6877372
doing Gods work. keep it up my brother

>6877335
hi tripfag

>>6877372
>by the way, I'm not even an artist.
do you think you're fighting for the artists here?

>>6877380
Then please, help me out and explain to me how machine learning and human learning are fundamentally different.

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>>6877383
above all else I hate AIcucks for thrashing the internet. I'd appreciate it if they didn't thrash every piece of media I follow

>>6877210
Cute! Is that dalle or SD?

>>6877386
I don't know, have you tried seeking the insight of a neuroscientist? they can tell you how a brain works better than any subhuman silicon valley urbanite, I can promise you that
>https://theconversation.com/were-told-ai-neural-networks-learn-the-way-humans-do-a-neuroscientist-explains-why-thats-not-the-case-183993

>>6877389
It's SDXL

>>6877370
careful, you'll catch fire with all that straw. switching your trip on and off won't make you win any argument either.

>>6877386
A human improves and learns on his own creating new and original things.
A machine copies and rearranges already existing shit, having no meaning on the trash it creates.
There is no thinking and organic improvement.
Also, you are a faggot and should kys.

>>6877391
can't wait to see what the cope answer to this will be

>>6877386
It is obvious, you don't have to be an AI researcher to understand this. A human wouldn't make an Ai-lien hand twice. A human has a consistent skill level. An AI oscillates between different artstyles and skill levels, sometimes outputting complete garbage, other times kitch anime slop.

>>6877391
>theconversation.com
Anon, I...

This is a paper that came out today I just chose at random by actual scientists that aren't just clickbait "scientists"
https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.03325
Feel free to read it and come back to me afterwards.

>>6877398
>but muh mashit can think too!!!!1!

>>6876999
to get past the censors, "sunscreen storm"

>Humans don't learn just from large amounts of data input!
They literally do. You would be NOTHING if it wasn't for the huge amounts of sensory data you consumed throughout your life.

>>6877375
I could say anon are you in denial how people actually using this tech
>and what others actually want to do

>>6877388
you're thrashing the internet with worthless shit RIGHT NOW.

>I'd appreciate it if they didn't thrash every piece of media I follow
AI very well might up the quality for animation and comics.
you know when anime pour everything into the first episode and episode 2 and 3 look like powerpoint slideshows? things like that could become a thing of the past.

>>6877386
they are fundamentally different. but there are enough similarities. the point is that the best way to describe it is "learning".

>>6877396
>A human improves and learns on his own
by seeing and experiencing
the AI does so by seeing (the training data, and only during training)

>A machine copies and rearranges already existing shit, having no meaning on the trash it creates.
a human can give it meaning, your shitty pajeet spam is literal proof of this.
and it does not copy and rearrange things in any less detail than a human also does.

>There is no thinking
and yet it has a representation inside its model for each of the tags in its vocabulary.

>and organic improvement.
it can improve if it learns. i.e. when it trains. again, it only learns during training.

>NOOOOOOO THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS HUMAN LEARNING!!!!!!
yeah and that's irrelevant. it's still learning from its training data. that's all that matters.

Visual planning simulates how humans make decisions to achieve desired goals in the form of searching for visual causal transitions between an initial visual state and a final visual goal state. It has become increasingly important in egocentric vision with its advantages in guiding agents to perform daily tasks in complex environments. In this paper, we propose an interpretable and generalizable visual planning framework consisting of i) a novel Substitution-based Concept Learner (SCL) that abstracts visual inputs into disentangled concept representations, ii) symbol abstraction and reasoning that performs task planning via the self-learned symbols, and iii) a Visual Causal Transition model (ViCT) that grounds visual causal transitions to semantically similar real-world actions. Given an initial state, we perform goal-conditioned visual planning with a symbolic reasoning method fueled by the learned representations and causal transitions to reach the goal state. To verify the effectiveness of the proposed model, we collect a large-scale visual planning dataset based on AI2-THOR, dubbed as CCTP. Extensive experiments on this challenging dataset demonstrate the superior performance of our method in visual task planning. Empirically, we show that our framework can generalize to unseen task trajectories and unseen object categories.
>half this just sounds like babble and I ain't downloading that shit

>>6877409
>they are fundamentally different.
They're not though?
They're fundamentally the same, only the specifics are different.
Data in -> abstraction -> data out is the fundamental rule of learning, and both AI and humans learn that way.

>AI very well might up the quality for animation and comics.
stop talking about things you know nothing about you failed artist.
keep dismissing anything that runs contrary to your belief as irrelevant tho.

>>6877372
keep ruining aicuck threads king

>YAS QUEEN SLAYYYYYYY
I think we have officially mindbroken them.

>>6877409
>you know when anime pour everything into the first episode and episode 2 and 3 look like powerpoint slideshows? things like that could become a thing of the past.
translation:
>Embrace the slop, productivity is everything

/pol/ happenings

>>6877419
>I don't want animators to have healthier work environments if that means I have to admit defeat to the "techbros"
Pathetic.

>>6877422
>I don't know how animation works or is made
awkward

>>6877422
>I don't want animators to have healthier work environments
lol they are going to get laid off (as they currently are)
the truth is, you never cared about workers from the start

>>6877422
would they get paid more or less with AI?

>>6877422
Cretin

>>6877408
people can and will use it in a multitude of ways. it's just that powerful.

>>6877405
i honestly have given up on saying this.
these people are genuinely too low IQ to understand this.
also they like to insist on the uniqueness of humans so it's very hard for them to see this.

if they're not artists, it's even harder to comprehend, and the fact that that anon isn't even an artist makes a lot of sense now in hindsight.

>>6877413
actually yeah the specifics differ. but they differ quite a bit.
honestly mostly because humans are way more complicated and have many more functions compared to an image AI.

i like to say that something like SD is just one part of a brain that exculsively focuses on one specific thing whereas humans have many, many more parts that focus on different things.

the point is, they would essentially argue that it is "reductionist" to say that AI learns like humans
(steven zapata says this), and it's not an entirely invalid point.

it is still learning though and there is literally no better word to describe the process. so yeah.

>>6877419
>slop
you're again assuming that AI output won't be human guided.
you simply do not understand what AI is.

>>6877422
history won't be kind to people like you

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU DELEETE THIS THREAD NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>6877422
This. It's so fucking weird to see "artists" be this against improving the world.
Animators and sweatshop gacha artists are literally dying under the workload and now we have a technology that could lighten the workload and western artists are like "nah bro it'll ruin my furry art business on etsy bro we can't do that mang"

>>6877422
>healthier work environments
they will get paid less to work more hours and they will like it

I will add that the advance of vector-based puppets in the west has only worsened both the quality and working conditions for animation.
>human guided
cope, it's slop

these mikus are awesome

>>6877432
this isn't improving the world in any way, shape or form

>>6877432
were you born yesterday? no improvement in the arts in the past few decades has lightened the workload but has increased it under the pretense of being able to do things faster.

>>6877422
>Let's just pad it with slop, most people will only notice a slight drop in quality, it wasn't exactly what i wanted, but it works good enough if you squint! Oh jesus that hand, cut that frame short! No one cares about making quality art anymore so slop will suffice. Raise the budget? Get the fuck outta here I need to make big bucks! Where is all the money in society going? Heck do i know! I'm just the boss around here!

>>6877441
AI will actually just improve quality, that's the funny part

>>6877438
true, it's no different from lifestyle inflation

>>6877438
My brother, you literally just have to generate an image then fix it up to make it look professionally presentable.
How is that not a "lighter workload" compared to starting from scratch?
Animation only requires a certain amount of frames, there's no need for artists to create another 50 frames if the cut is done.

>>6877438
higher quality output IS more work. we're not drawing mickey whistling on a boat anymore. this technology will usher in a new era of high quality entertainment that would otherwise not be attainable.

>>6877443
lol just like the corridor video everybody shat on

>>6877443
This.
Imagine an anime with the quality of
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>>6877291
on every single frame.
The hands are easily fixed and the quality difference compared to most seasonal anime would be night and day.

>>6877426
probably the same, but they'd get to do way more meaningful work and less intern tier grinding at frames under a deadline.

even if AI only interpolates every 2nd frame, that would cut down on work massively and allow animators to spend more time on the existing frames.

>>6877432
they cannot get past the idea of "AIslop". probably comes from all the techbro harrassment they've been getting in the past year.

it's almost like they don't believe in art, artists or artistry, and believe that artists will prompt a scene, be paid 2 cents for it and then sit on their ass doing fucking nothing.

this is the kind of vision they have for AI.

>>6877435
AI is utterly incomparable to any of that stuff.

>>6877450
that's like sampling your work and coming to the conclusion that everyone sucks, it can do images better than ever and animation naturally follows

>>6877445
>do you niggas even know how to fix it
you keep saying that but hardly I see get done

>>6877443
yes if you have no artistic vision i suppose not much makes sense in your life. Most people care about how the frames look in their animations, but hey anything to cut costs and increase productivity right? It almost feels like the real thing! Doesn't matter if the artstyle changes a bit or some artifacts here or there, that's just stuff we'll have to live with!

I remember when they used AI for a frame in one of the trailers for fate/go and everyone instantly clocked and shat on it

good morning sirs

>>6877455
take a look at the average frame in your tranime and you notice how skewed it looks and when you hit play it's a slideshow with only the faces occasionally animated somewhat

>>6877451
you don't animate though you just filters last I checked and call it a day

>>6877453
you literally have no idea what I'm talking about

>>6877456
Kek it reached 300+ score on sakugabooru before someone pointed out it was AI generated and then the mod deleted it and made a blogpost about how AI will never replace real animation keklmao

>>6877456
shills are trying their hardest to normalize it, but people aren't buying it

>>6877455
>>6877455
>Doesn't matter if the artstyle changes a bit or some artifacts here or there
you're assuming that will happen.

look at pic related.
it's unusable as is, yes. but it is interpolating between completely different images.
ALL THESE FRAMES are made up.
if it can do this, what do you think will happen if you ask it to make only a handful of frames, between existing human made frames?
do you think this is out of the hands of this technology?

genuinely ask yourself that.

>>6877463
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzlWotsfY7A

>>6877449
>higher quality output IS more work.
but those technologies who were supposed to improve quality while taking the same time, have just lead to doing quantity at lower quality.
>AI is utterly incomparable
same issues, you'll get more at a lower quality.
>we're not drawing mickey whistling on a boat anymore
yeah, we're doing worse but in great quantity. the skill levels have dwindled dramatically.

>>6877469
>do you think this is out of the hands of this technology?
really, stop talking, you know nothing about animation. the fact your posting this as an example further cements that

I can definitely see AI being used to create things in the spiderverse style, be prepared for a lot more movies like that. We already got Puss in boots and the new TMNT movie which rips on that style

>half of thread is shitpost spamming
>two quarters of it is spamming
>the rest are the same disingenous arguments and the tripfag schizo
You know what, I will stop blaming the schizos and start blaming you guys, you are the reason this threads thrive in this shithole, because you much rather continue engaging in this nonsense than ignoring it and report it.

I bet every single one of you would absoluteky adore it if this board became an AI only board.

>>6877478
AHAHAHAHAHA YOU AHAHA

>AI doesn't work on anime because of the framerate variety!
Like... just take some frames out and only use the ones you like?
You know you can edit these frames and time them however you want, right?
Right?...

>>6877478
I'm glad it's contained to 1 thread

>>6877469
AI interpolation looks like shit in animations and once again you are refusing to aknowledge that animation is an artform with principles and feel guiding how the frames are drawn. Sure, you can compromise and reduce the impact and potency of your vision, just like you can add water to your soda if you want more soda without paying for more soda.

>>6877478
that's neat also janny however once again does nothing about these threads even though they're obv shitposts.
>who wants to gore post honestly if janny be ignoring these threads

why does AI mindrape /ic/ so badly?

>>6877469
Genuinely, how do you live with yourself as a shill to these big tech companies? Why does it make you seethe to know that artists reject the 'tool' graciously gifted from Silicon Valley?

>>6877471
again, none of those technologies are comparable.
it's the difference between photobashing and AI.
one is utterly rigid, the other is good enough to make all of you get your panties in a bunch.

the RIGIDNESS of the former limits the way you can use it. like those puppets you talked about.
but AI can work with your existing input far more seamlessly.
it's more like an assistant. so using AI can literally be like having more heads in your team in terms of the work that you make it do.

>>6877475
i told you it's unusable as it is.
but you have no vision and refuse to read.

>>6877485
i'm talking about future AI interpolation you giant retard.
"AI" in general has been a thing for a long time. but the current technologies are only recently getting their focus.

every example animation i posted is made with a tool that is barely a month old.

>are refusing to aknowledge that animation is an artform with principles and feel guiding how the frames are drawn.
i'm not? you just think this shit matters to what i'm saying.
also like what >>6877481 said, the AI can provide you with more frames than you need.
IF IT CAN INTERPOLATE SUCCESSFULLY BETWEEN TWO EXISTING FRAMES, then the timing and emphasis is just a minor technicality that you can adjust if needed.

>>6877498
i think originally it was because it's off topic and someone kept trying to force it down everyone's throats. At this point i don't even know anymore. Aifags probably used up all their good will here and people are just frustrated that the mods are letting it happen i suppose? that's my understanding since it has nothing to do with the learning and critique side of art and ic has a reputation for being a learning / improvement focused board.

>>6877333
Nah. You can keep prompting as much as you want. I'll just keep drawing the whole thing.

>>6877333
>>6877348
You talk like you are capable of fixing anything. It's pretty funny lol.

>>6877501
They're failures and consumers

>>6877348
>pic related
>the hands look like crap yet again
Please, never change AI. Kek.

>>6877501
..how does that work in your mind? genuinely?

>Why does it make you seethe to know that artists reject the 'tool' graciously gifted from Silicon Valley?
do you think that all this is developed by silicon valley?
half of it is reseach, open source and only a part of it is big companies.
the companies are in fact only using the technology and makingit into products. they didn't fucking invent all of this on their own.
the animation stuff i posted itt is also open source devwork from only a month ago.

so what do you mean "gifted from silicon valley"?

or do you just like the narrative this much?
does this make you feel even more like your on the side of the good guys?
is that what it is?
:)

>>6877505
I love how it tries to mimic camera movement and instead it makes the island move. LMAO.

>>6877505
Oh, so we're talking in hypotheticals? Ok.

>IF IT CAN INTERPOLATE SUCCESSFULLY BETWEEN TWO EXISTING FRAMES, then the timing and emphasis is just a minor technicality that you can adjust if needed.
it is not a minor technicality. the difference between smoothing over something and using intentional emphasis is massive. Like i say, interpolating between something programmatically does not look natural in animation even if the frame makes logical sense as something that could come inbetween to someone who doesn't grasp animation principles. You are assuming the frames would look the same as a humans idea of what it should be. It doesn't. It doesn't respect the momentum of the actions or principles of animation. Animation isn't just about creating smooth logical transitions.

>>6877518
>the hands. again.
kek

>>6877506
Wouldn't surprise me if AI was getting purposely pushed on 4chan by corporations to make it more accepting. You already have that one /a/ janny/mod that constantly deletes anything negative about AI in blatant AIspam threads.
AI gives a lot of power corporations since it cuts out the artists and allows them to utilize whatever style they want for their propaganda. Now you don't need a japanese studio to make anime, an american studio can push out anime style propaganda.
Don't be surprised when you start seeing the US military propaganda in the form of AI generated anime waifus, just look at how they've been failing to capture the zoomer audience recently lol

>>6877505
thats pretty impressive compared to just 6 months ago, no wonder they're seething

>6877526
>you've shown this fuckin webm about 9 times or something for multiple threads
>forgot your trip again nigga

If AI is useful, how come these two sites feature next to zero AI art:

>https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/updates
>https://www.webtoons.com/en/

These are some more cutthroat industries out there, surely if it was of use everybody would be using it, it has been around for eternity by this point.

>>6877521
i love how you're hallucinating things now.
the camera is moving. you can see the mountains in the back moving too.

>>6877522
i've told you this time and time again: it can make more frames than you need.
if it CAN naturally interpolate the full range of motion between two points. the timing and emphasis is only a technicality.

EXAMPLE
if it can make 20 frames between ball position #1 and #2, and you only need 3, then you can animate it in ANY WAY YOU WANT.

i love how i'm apparently the one who doesn't understand animation, but you're the one who needs to have this explained over and over again until you get it.

>>6877505
>again, none of those technologies are comparable.
it's the difference between photobashing and AI.
I'm basis my analysis on the bulk of technological improvements in the art and how they have participated in the worseing of them and their production.
>but AI can work with your existing input far more seamlessly.
it has yet to show any of that.
>it's more like an assistant. so using AI can literally be like having more heads in your team in terms of the work that you make it do.
it isn't, that's your wishful thinking.
>i told you it's unusable as it is.
>but you have no vision and refuse to read.
you're ignorant and flaunt it. you have no clue what's involved in in-betweening and get stuck on interpolation. interpolation isn't animation in the artistic sense.
>IF IT CAN INTERPOLATE SUCCESSFULLY BETWEEN TWO EXISTING FRAMES, then the timing and emphasis is just a minor technicality that you can adjust if needed.
now you're living in two-more-weeks-magic-land. those are major points that it has been shown we currently have absolutely no control over
also, you keep posting those dogshit gif that just go against your points.

>also like what >>6877481 said, the AI can provide you with more frames than you need.
you're a retard who thinks more frames=gooder?

>>6877530
because it's young, none of these tools are directly integrated into art programs and take knowledge and even hardware to set up.
there are also technical limitations in the size that AI works at currently.

>>6877526
>replying to yourself
>>6877537
> the timing and emphasis is only a technicality.
just stop talking.

>>6877524
the pinkie is a bit wonky, but i think the rest of the pic is quite brilliant.

>>6877539
see >>6877537
i already explained everything i need to.

>>6877543
>not reading the post again
>"u just dun UNERSTAND!!1!"
i do understand. far better than you do, and this is probably why you're scared of actually reading my posts. :)

>>6877539
>I'm basis my analysis on the bulk of technological improvements in the art and how they have participated in the worseing of them and their production.
in other words, with jank from the past that is NOWHERE CLOSE to being able to do what latent diffusion models and whatever DallE is are capable of doing.

but it really is all just the same to you huh?
this is plain unbelievable.

>>6877551
all I see is a nigga (you)ing absolutely anyone for any little thing

>>6877517
Classic retarded !!ducTpJGSm6d's arguing over semantics, I hope this proves that !!ducTpJGSm6d is too far gone and is addicted to sniffing AI shit stain.
>only a part of it is big companies
LAION 5b was funded by Stability.AI, all of the most popular AI image generators are from tech companies. You are not fucking over big tech companies by using Stalbe Diffusion, you useful idiot.
Do I need to remind you that Dalle 3 and Midjourney used Stable Diffusion as a base?
It's slimy as fuck how Stability.AI took data intended for research and used it to generate profit.

>>6877551
>i do understand. far better than you do
you do not understand anything, you conflate smoothnes and quality of animation and think it's just a matter of interpolation+what you think timing is. you are ignorant and revel in it.
>but it really is all just the same to you huh?
>"the Ai will get so good it will fix it all!"
how hard it is to understand that every technology in that period hasn't helped quality and that this will follow this trend? You just assume because it has new function it will fix issues that are external to it.

Half these replies have to be by the tripfag because there is no way you fags don't know how to sage by now.

>>6877562
saging is useless when the autist bumps it. were it a fast board it would have some efficacy

artist are finally getting what they fucking deserve

>>6877564
but that's what I mean, how many replies are just him turning of his trip and RTHing. It's pathetic.

>>6877566
what's that

>>6877567
you're the one coming up with your schizo fanfic theories

>>6877020
>skewed facial proportions
its literally lpip's style

>>6877572
>Tripfag is a mass-replying attention whore who is in every singe AI thread without fail
>Every thread he's in will hit bump limit
>It's a leap in logic to say that he bumps the thread so that people give him more (You)s
lol, lmao even.

>>6877576
I keep replying to this thread and I'm not your personal boogieman, you're a lunatic

>>6877577
don't flatter yourself tripfag

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>>6877556
and what is LAION 5b, you braindead retard?
do you think stable diffusion improved so much because of stability.ai?
or is it because of the countless researchers and devs building on top of it?

>Do I need to remind you that Dalle 3 and Midjourney used Stable Diffusion as a base?
and? it's technology and they're free to use it.
why, do you think people should be paid for the LAION 5b database?

>You are not fucking over big tech companies
do i CARE about fucking over anything? you're only projecting your own retarded obsessions here. do you like that because that's also such a good boy narrative? :)
me, i just want to use technology and i want it to be open source.

also research will naturally lead to industry. people are trying to make useful things here.

>>6877558
i should probably stop replying to you. you're a fucking retard.

but one last try: can you actually vocalize what i'm wrong about?
:)
just take my ball example. which part is wrong according to you?
>EXAMPLE
>if it can make 20 frames between ball position #1 and #2, and you only need 3, then you can animate it in ANY WAY YOU WANT.

>>6877432
Fucking retard knows nothing about the industry. Even if AI made the helped speed up the process, they would be forced to output slop at an even faster rate. Technology HAS improved in the past decades yet all thats changed is the amount of garbage coombait that comes out every season

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>>6877582
>"I can't handle being told how ignorant I am"
you would but you're too addicted to the (You)s
again, you think in terms of interpolations, those are your words. you don't realize how linear interpolation is.
>if it can make 20 frames between ball position #1 and #2, and you only need 3, then you can animate it in ANY WAY YOU WANT.
none of those 20 frames are usueable, you're only impacting smoothness which has only a minor impact on animation quality compared to other concept. your example asks to sift through a bunch of junk frame to find one that might somewhat coincide with anything useful.

tldr; in-betweening isn't just interpolation

>>6877592
not him but you have keyframes and then you have inbetweens which are basically interpolations

>>6877583
>some puppet rig software
>interpolation software that can literally not even interpolate
that is supposed to be comparable to
>a program that can make full fledged images
>a program that create countless new frames based on a single frame

and you're saying that the two are the same, and that the program won't be able to interpolate a short timeperiod between two similar frames EVEN THOUGH it can already create a large amount of frames just from one frame.

>Even if AI made the helped speed up the process, they would be forced to output slop at an even faster rate.
if you accept that. that is one approach. the other is to focus on quality.
but for someone always screaming about corporations, you sure seem to inherently assume that you are their dogs and dancing to their tune is the only viable outcome.

>>6877432
you're likely an underage retard with a juvenile understanding of the world
>Animators and sweatshop gacha artists are literally dying under the workload and now we have a technology that could lighten the workload
imagine unironically believing this. what happens time and time again is hiring these people for even cheaper. absolute brain damage at work here, it's a crime that retards like you are allowed to vote

>>6877583
not to mention the overall skill level of animators has dropped. now they can't plan a scene without a 3d camera, objects and a mannequin

6877598
You've already posted this image before

>>6877597
incorrect, you have keys, extremes, breakdowns and in-betwees. keys and extremes are often put together. in-betweening isn't interpolating like a software does, if we did it would be no different from those youtube videos ran through algorythms to increase fps. but it's true we used to us
y interpolating interchangeably while now it's used more to refer to motion-keyframes.

>>6877607
I mean in blender the software handles the inbetweening just fine

>>6877592
>none of those 20 frames are usueable,
i see now, you're just delusional about the actual capability of AI.

look at pic related.
the current state of the art for video interpolation.
what is this, 5 fps into what, 24, 30, 60? how many frames do you think are generated here?

for animation, if it can generate almost the full range of motion, do you really think timing matters at all? it absolutely becomes just a technicality to pick and choose the necessary frames and time them as needed.

>a program that create countless new frames based on a single frame
if only it cool produce useable ones.
>and you're saying that the two are the same, and that the program won't be able to interpolate a short timeperiod between two similar frames EVEN THOUGH it can already create a large amount of frames just from one frame.
the point isn't that it can't interpolate, plenty of software can, just that it can't in-between anything to any useable capacity
>inb4 proof of concept it will in two weeks
>i see now, you're just delusional about the actual capability of AI.
you haven't shown anything useable in any meaningful way, when you do maybe we can discuss it.
>for animation, if it can generate almost the full range of motion, do you really think timing matters at all?
but It can't generate the full range, you can't get that into your thick skull, it generated a mathematical path from A to B independant of context or the various elements. you will get a linear soup

>>6877612
>wants to discuss animation
>shows live footage and talks about framerate like a video game tard

>>6877409
>you're thrashing the internet with worthless shit RIGHT NOW
I'm thrashing a worthless thread that should not have been made. nothing of value was lost :)
>AI very well might up the quality for animation and comics
delusional gargle. best case scenario, it will be stagnant degeneracy
>you know when anime pour everything into the first episode and episode 2 and 3 look like powerpoint slideshows? things like that could become a thing of the past
I am not a fan of animations in general, but I don't want everything to look like rotoscoped trash. I enjoyed Fire and Ice, the gimmick was fun to witness once and I don't want to see it ever again

>>6877609
are you talking about 3d animation? because that's a whole different thing and it requires a lot of tweaking on the part of the animator past this interpolation if you really want quality.

>>6877618
>it generated a mathematical path from A to B independant of context or the various elements. you will get a linear soup
lol i'm done with you.

this is exactly the kind of delusion i'm talking about. you are willfully trying your hardest not to see what AI can already do.

>>6877619
that's because that's more in demand and thus better developed.
animation is still a niche and the tools aren't there yet.
but do you see finger growths there? inconsistencies?

or maybe, PERHAPS, shockingly, putting AI between real frames actually gives it enough reference to not make those errors?

>>6877623
the same principles apply

>>6877624
>this is exactly the kind of delusion i'm talking about. you are willfully trying your hardest not to see what AI can already do.
all I hear is "I don't understand animation but you're a luddite"
>>6877625
principles sure if you want to paint it with huge brush strokes but drawn frames and 3d rigs are fundamentally different. I can interpolate vectorized cleaned up liens but that's often bad and relegated to 2d puppets.

>>6877630
you interpolate in 3D space not 2D, this AI shit clearly has the ability to produce spatially accurate content

>>6877624
>or maybe, PERHAPS, shockingly, putting AI between real frames actually gives it enough reference to not make those errors?
completely deluded

but putting that aside, you fail to comprehend the bottleneck in current animations isn't in-betweens, it's the lowest of the offenders. your new step will just further squeeze other parts of the production. good animation=/= smooth animation

>this is exactly the kind of delusion i'm talking about. you are willfully trying your hardest not to see what AI can already do.

>>6877524
not an AIslut but the hands are actually perfectly logical and what I'd expect from styleized fanart like this. Like artists who aren't good with hands would hide them like that

got some cute dollies, gonna make characters of em' (or rather, robot girls with some of their colors or accessories)

>>6877655

>>6877656

>>6877657

>>6877652
Nope, they aren't. Not the slightest.
Leaving the stumpy pinky fingers out of this, her right palm is facing one direction while the fingers another. That hand is very very broken.

>>6877537
>i love how you're hallucinating things now.
the delusion is real, holy kek

>>6877663
true, now I see it
the other one also has hair becoming fingernails
it's creepy how you think wow what a cute drawing and then you start noticing the body horror

One thing I noticed with these things is the linework is absolutely terrible, nonexistent even. It just makes me appreciate intricate penmanship more.

>>6877635
>completely deluded
my eyes are lying to me i guess.
this >>6877612 is probably just fake bro
tell me, how do you justify what you see with these opinions? i'm genuinely curious.

>good animation=/= smooth animation
the animator still makes all of the most relevant frames. how can you not understand that?
you can have as much control as you want, if AI can even just replace every other frame, you're already saving that much labor and time.

none of your points make any logical sense, you're just repeating a mantra over and over.
can you explain to me how
>good animation=/= smooth animation
even relates to what i said, and how it makes it untrue?

maybe i really should stop arguing. because at this point the only people still arguing with me are the retards.

>>6877630
>it generated a mathematical path from A to B independant of context or the various elements.
that is simply not how AI works, something like >>6877612 >>6877505 >>6877469 CAN NOT be made with that approach.

this is just you spouting your baseless belief regardless of all the evidence.
it's almost like AI is the exact same as that the shitty programs you used in the past.
you treat them the THE EXACT SAME when arguing with me.
you're utterly delusional.

Have you guys not been on different boards lately? Everyone loves AI art!
You guys are the odd ones out in this case.
>brap

>>6877673
logically? other boards don't draw so they can't make anything themselves

>a single AI pic produces 250 posts of butthurt
AI chads can't stop winning

>>6877673
>Go on /a/
>Go into AI thread
>It's constant shitting on AI calling it all slop
>It would be worse if janny wasn't deleting anti-AI posts.

>>6877680
>this shit is primarily for chruning out anime and the animefags hate it
it's like nfts all over again

>>6877680
>Go on /a/
>Enter AI thread
>Spam about how AI is slop and not true art
>Get posts deleted
>Go to /ic/
>Use that as a counterargument to someone saying other boards embrace AI
Sneaky but I recognize your sentence structure from the /a/ threads.

>>a single AI pic produces 250 posts of butthurt
>AI chads can't stop winning

>>6877672
>"retard retard retard"
is all you have to say because you can't conceive what makes animation good.
>the animator still makes all of the most relevant frames. how can you not understand that?
then you AI won't facilitate anything in the industry. you're just sayin "it would be even better with this extra step" even if it won't.
>you can have as much control as you want, if AI can even just replace every other frame, you're already saving that much labor and time.
again you show your lack of understanding and obsession with smoothness. if by miracle it could interpolate as the animator intended an in-between you'd already require two frames so close to each other your toy is meaningless.
>none of your points make any logical sense
nigger, your belief that it would save labor is based on wishful thinking.

>this is just you spouting your baseless belief regardless of all the evidence.
the "evidence" is that your bunch of nonsensical frames lack anything that would remotely qualify them as useable for animation.
>it's almost like AI is the exact same as that the shitty programs you used in the past.
you ahve failed to show anything different but morphing with a new coat of paint.

you bring something that at best is an extra pass and claim it will save labor...the only labor saved is labor that isn't there to begin with? this isn't capable of improving current show currently animated on 3's or 4's, even 2's.

This shit mogs porn, that's for sure. There's no art in porn, it's just about how well rendered and hard the illustration gets you, and AI is better than 99% of the hacks. I'd unironically browse an AI porn booru, it's better than Gelbooru with its preponderance of broken, fucked anatomy and hideous colors.
If you're doing actual original art that isn't "a" style, you got nothing to worry about still.

>>6877677
If butthurt and trolling is your only goal surely this technology has lasting value

>>6877694
>ai animated porn
that I wouldn't mind AI for, enough to get off and not nearly good enough to take away coomers from the porn patreons

>>6877698
Yeah AI is literally just slop after all. And that's what porn is, too. We all know it. But we still need to get off. Make it a little easier for me, then I can go back to my art.

>275 posts / 39 IPs
lol. also saged and hidden

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>AI is just for porn so it will never replace us, le real artist
>Not realising that 99% of commissioned art is porn
Oof that's rough, buddies.

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>>6877706
AI bots just doing their job since the nft market crashed

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>>6877718
my brother in christ people who pay for porn expect much, much higher quality and most of all accuracy. Yknow, AI's biggest flaw

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>>6877718
>99% of commissioned art is porn
Well yeah, retard...it's going to replace porn, not real art. Where do you see the inconsistency in these statements?

>Coomers are easy to please so they are the only ones who use AI
>AI is only good for coomer shit

>COOMERS HAVE HIGH STANDARDS, THEY'LL NEVER SETTLE FOR AI
>COOMERS ARE HYPERFOCUSED ON ACCURACY AND QUALITY!

Holy cope.
Which is it?

>>6877731
Well anon how much free porn is there already and who actually pays for it

>>6877731
They are overwhelmingly incredibly easy to please. Look at the success of CSR and Sakimi for proof Will AI replace established porn creators? Probably not, at least not for a while.
However, it likely will challenge up and coming porn creators unless they opt for unusual, interesting, yet appealing style and content - originality not being the average porn artist's forte.

>>6877731
it's almost as if only a few are so consumed by porn that they need their shit to not be replacable by AI slop

The answer is the same one why e-thots get rich

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>>6877024
Thank you to the kindred spirit that shared those wonderful Mikus, seeing them brightened up my morning.

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(., ,.)

.(, ,).

This board have been at a downward spiral ever since the AI appeared
you niggas need to draw not to argue over useless shit

>>6877766
>This board have been at a downward spiral ever since the AI
It's been in a downwards spiral way before Ai, ironically Ai has improved the quality of the board with actual content it's the board itself that insists on remaining on a pile of shit. I can't remember the last time I genuinely smiled seeing something from something here this thread is a blessing.

>>6877481
>you know you can just dive into the torrent of bullshit and fish out something that isn't completely horrible, right?
I imagine that's true (I doubt it, though). I can also just make my art, enjoy the process, and end up with an infinitely superior result because the process IS the art. The final result is the direct consequence of every little decision I made.
The "AI" is not making decisions, it's polishing noise until it looks like something. And it looks amazing... until you look at the details. Infinite bullshit.

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>>6877773
generic anime girls make you that happy?

(niggas)

Place your bets on how quick the next AI thread will be made.

>>6877445
>10 hours a day redrawing hands and feet for $5/hr
we did it patrick we saved animation

>>6877452
>believe that artists will prompt a scene, be paid 2 cents for it and then sit on their ass doing fucking nothing.
I don't believe artists will do that
I believe idiots like you will

Unrelated but I saw this video on another thread & I like the girl character :3 https://youtu.be/XWsMKwI7g0k?si=yrIh36V4FySMPYLN

i thought half of the users of /ic/ became mentally disturbed after stable diffusion came out, now a year later with new dall-e some of them seem to have completely snapped and gone full retard. i shudder to think what's going to happen to these people by this time next year

>>6877225
Sir do the needful and share the prompt, we must redeem more images like these in these threads

>>6877731
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>>6877693
funny how that is the starting frame before frame interpolation actually kicks in.

>then you AI won't facilitate anything in the industry. you're just sayin "it would be even better with this extra step" even if it won't.
even now you cannot comprehend the most basic thing i'm saying.

>again you show your lack of understanding and obsession with smoothness. if by miracle it could interpolate as the animator intended an in-between you'd already require two frames so close to each other your toy is meaningless.
aaah, see. at least now it's starting to click in your empty head. :)

now explain to me:
1. even if it's just interpolating between two close frames, that's still FREE frames that you don't have to draw. which is exactly my point.
2. it won't be close frames. tyou can probably afford to leave some space. reason:
you can see the amount of frames created in >>6877612 by seeing how choppy it is at the start.
you can also see >>6877469 where it interpolates a large amount of frames between VERY DIFFERENT FRAMES (they're different images really).

so like i said from the beginning:
>it can already interpolate a large amount of frames between completely different images
>so it won't be hard to create a handful of frames between close images (which is what that real life video is ALREADY doing, just not for animation)
(notice how i'm basically just repeating myself because you're too retarded to understand)

>nigger, your belief that it would save labor is based on wishful thinking.
free frames is not saving labor?

>you ahve failed to show anything different but morphing with a new coat of paint.
>>6877505 this is "morphed"?
>>6877612 this is "morphed"?
you will say anything to keep believing in your delusion. it's pretty clear now.

>this isn't capable of improving current show currently animated on 3's or 4's, even 2's.
free frames means saving labor, time and effort, which means you get to put more time into the parts that actually matter.

>>6877873
i'm completely shitting on you for believing that, and yet i'll be the one doing that huh?
i'm sure that makes sense in your retarded mind :)

>>6878168
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again i want to highlight the inherent delusions in anons like this.
AI can fucking fucking make images through text guidance alone.
and this retard believes it has to """"""""""""""""""""morph"""""""""""""""""""" shit in order to do interpolation with image guidance.

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