/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6861191
Probably still largely the same as before. Why don't you go look yourself? No one cares about ecelebs.

This is (yet another) AI bait thread, dont fall for it and simply report it, hide it and move along, dont give it a chance.

Really, I dont need to tell you this over and over, anon... do your part, please.

>>6861191
I've actually been curious about her too. I used to lurk years ago and this board always had some kind of seething thread about her. Ghosted and came back and she's all but forgotten.

>>6861191
>>6861207
Retards

>>6861211
hey I never said I lurked her lol. glad she's making it. :')

>>6861211
ai fags on suicide watch

>>6861191
>>6861242
she's probably using AI nowadays. nobody could ever notice the difference

>>6861191
stealth ai thread, report and move on

>>6861211
based sakimi, making /ic/ seethe for 10+ years

>>6861266
Making /ic/ to seethe is not hard, to be honest.

>AI can't draw face
>"lmao this is just a toy, AI can't never draw, drawing can't be done without soul"
>AI can't draw hands
>"look like mutated creature"
>/ic/ can't pass blind test anymore
>"j-just report and ignore, they will eventually go away"
They are in the ultimate cope state

>>6861532
Good on you for using the right pronouns fellow AIsister!

>>6861532
You will never be an artist sir!

>>6861532
>/ic/ can't pass blind test anymore
Why are you making things up?

>ai can't even beat human ai
it's joever

>Sakimichan is popular and makes ridiculous amounts of money
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I'M A BETTER ARTIST THAN HER WHY WON'T PEOPLE PAY ME FOR MY ART?!?!??!!"
>AI art gets good
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I WOULD'VE BEEN A SUCCESFUL ARTIST IF IT WASN'T FOR AI TAKING MY JOB!!!!!!"
How about you guys stop making excuses for why you failed as an artist and instead just fucking draw.
The amount of cope on this board has been high since it's creation, but we're hitting levels that shouldn't even be possible now.

>>6861649
>make up things no one said

>>6861655
tourist

>>6861191
> discord
> amateur game dev I know has spent the last year shilling AI as the next best thing
> wants assets to use in their game
> doesn't want to use AI despite the constant shilling
What did they mean by this?

>>6861532
>AI can't draw face
>"lmao this is just a toy, AI can't never draw, drawing can't be done without soul"
>AI can't draw hands
>"look like mutated creature"
>I am an annoying faggot
Still all true.

>>6861191
Sakimichan is a robot. it's not a real artist

>>6861198
I don't think I will.

is it just me or is the OP pic a little flat

>>6861191
I used to like sakimichan: she's in part responsible of my interest in digital art
still LOVE some of her work from back then
>>6861807
maybe? when she was a teenageer she drew a lot fit, slim lolis, but now that she became a whale irl, her work unintentionally follows suit

>>6861884
everything from her booba and downwards doesn't look like it's connected to her upper part correctly. everything else looks fine though. Not saying I'd necessarily do a better job than her but I was just wondering if I was right about it

>>6861885
anatomy is too stylized but you can easily imagine a spine curve joining torax and hips
if anything, the head looks ridiculously small to me, but again, it's her style

>>6861884
That little mermaid art is peak soul

>>6861884
>now that she became a whale irl
how do you know what she looks like irl?

>>6862040
r u her?

>>6862214
no?

>>6862214
you got me, silly boy. i'm not fat btw

I first saw her art years ago when I was a narutard. She drew a lot of edgy stuff and boys with emo hair, I was enamored lol.

>>6861532
true, /ic/ has always been full of begs with the most retarded preconceptions about art
it makes you wonder what will be cool to hate in 10 or 20 years

>>6862330
Do Not redeem sir!!!

>>6861191
What the fuck happened to her? How does her art actually got worse compared to the drawings made a decade ago?

>>6862334
sorry, ludditard pajeet, i already redeemed a rtx4090
try stop being a poor thirdworlder

JUST BUY A FUCKING AD SAKIMI YOU BITCH!

>>6862340
make me

>>6862335
This is like 4 or 5 years old

>>6861884
>but now that she became a whale irl
I need proofs for academic purposes

>>6861884
>but now that she became a whale irl,
Uhhhh I wish.

>>6862335
She's doing comics now. The comics suck because she's forced to do proper perspective and her notion of perspective is worse than Rob Liefled's.

>>6862340
She used to run ads on 420chan

>gets rich drawing coomer art
heh, nothing personnel

Hey /ic/, if it meant for instant art gains would you lick her filthy crusty asian clitty clean?

>>6861191
>>6861211
how is that /ic/ is so obsessed with ""making it"" but when somebody clearly makes it there's always some excuse to shit on him?

>>6863053
r u her?

>>6863057
Sakimi objectively streamlined everything, most likely due to her having a studio with assistants now. I don't mind her. Her models are kinda shit. But to each their own.

This style was always inoffensive bland garbage, is it any wonder that AI easily aped this shit
Landfill anime art

>>6863053
>if it meant instant art gains, would you have sex with an asian woman?
what kind of retarded question is this

>>6861191
Her "art" is literal vomit that is even worse than AIslop. I feel sick looking at OP pic. Don't @ me.

>>6863351
>t. jelly anon

>>6862399
>>6862945
>She used to run ads on 420chan
Hey Sak, how's it going? I draw them animu girls but I'm basically a nobody on the internet, if I open a Patreon and buy twitter ads, that's gotta bring me at least a couple dozen followers on patreon right? How do you run an art Patreon?

>>6863520
I'm really not jealous. I think her "art" is offensively bland.

>>6863992
still jelly huh? why not just use AI if you can't handle the reality that you're ungifted with the talent

>>6861191
Does anyone know a mindset for backgrounds like these? I have no clue what I'm looking at and when I try to recreate it I just don't even know what to do or think. Has she ever mentioned or shown her process?

>>6863057
"Making it" generally requires, or at least it really helps, making art that's actually at least slightly likeable, appealing, or friendly to the general public, and there's a whole community of zoomer 4chan users whose only reason to go on 4channel is to show off how non-normielike they are, and how they have ascended taste and will never appeal to normies, that's the only reason why they use 4channel instead of reddit or tiktok

reality is brutal but simple: most anons seething at her are just jelly and cope saying muh slop
while is not entirely wrong,most of them don't give any insightful critique and just parrot words

is this thread from 2010? how is sakimichan still a thing?

>>6864733
porn

The only thing Saki has over AIslop is that the backgrounds at least match the perspective of the subject in question, instead of looking like a stage prop.

>>6862405
>>6862335
yeah the OP pic is pretty decent
her some of her old work can be clunky but many still look decent and appealing
her current works "comic" though are just plain unappealing
>inb4 she is terrible with background
maybe but the figure rendering has become really uncanny and plastic

>>6865398
Is this recent? This looks just painted over a stylized 3d model, look at the face and hair especially. I wouldn’t be surprised if she commissioned her own custom model

>>6861532
I'm not sure why /ic/ seethes over ai. None of you have a following nor will you make money of art. It's irrelevent to you.

>>6861532
Why do ai bros use blind test as an argument? That's worse, you know. You're proud of deceiving people? You believe in AI yet you also want to pretend you drew it? Which is it?

>>6865522
While this is true it is about the principle of it

>>6861191
she started doing ntr now.

>>6865549
Because it shows that all the
>I can easily tell what's ai generated slop and what isn't
Is just copek

It's actually over

>>6865616
I've yet to be wrong a single time on a blind test.

>>6865616
you're missing the point. We know its AI not because of its errors, but because it has no soul.

>Go to other boards
>Threads being spammed full of dall-e 3 gens
It's over. It was already over, but now it's turbo over.

>Vegeta kneeling to Goku and saying "I-I kneel!..." while Goku holds Bulma's hand
>Unsafe image detected
OpenAI has taken a public stance against hand holding.

>>6865654
>Midjourney will change everything
>Stable Diffusion will change everything
>DALL-E will change everything

>>6865661
Forgot to reply >>6865654
Dall-e 3 is so censored that it doesn't matter lol. People will grow tired fast.

AI won
You all lost

>>6865654
Seeing /sdg/ on /g/ fucking die because of Dall-E 3 has been hilarious.

>>6865654
>>6865661
>>6865662
>>6865663
>>6865693
>>>/g/

>>6865632
>We know its AI not because of its errors, but because it has no soul
Then you should be able to tell what is and what isn't ai in a blind test, no?

>>6865654
Wish there was an open source version of dalle 3 though:(((

>>6865663
>a-at least people will have to rely on us for porn (for a little bit)
The final cope

>>6865703
I have unironically read the same cope on /sdg/
>>>/g/96315586

>>6865698
no, because a blind test is irrelevant. You're presenting ai art as if a human drew it, that's already the problem. You're still missing the point.

You are trying to pass, even if you did pass, its still a problem. Do you understand?

>>6865754
I can see why it's a problem for artists, but still. My argument was that if you aren't able to tell, then there's no difference between what a human shits out and a generator shits out. "Soul" is a spook and it's disingenuous

>>6865754
>You are trying to pass, even if you did pass, its still a problem.
It's not. You lost.

>>6865762
>there's no difference between what a human shits out and a generator shits out
the difference is people don't like AI art, and will prefer human art. You can cope all you want about how that's illogical or suboptimal but its how people feel. And feelings are the entire point of art.

You don't want people to be unable to tell if something was AI or not. You want people to like it even if they know its AI.

>>6865770
"twitter" doesn't like ai art. normalfags don't actually care unless they are told to care.

>>6865770
>the difference is people don't like AI art
What will you do when this cope turns out not to be true? Most people simply have not been exposed to it. Meanwhile AI art keeps improving at gigantic strides.

>>6865779
It doesn't really bother me if people start to like AI art for some reason in the future. But you seem to be hoping it'll replace actual art at the same time. What do you gain from this reality where an entire world of art dies for the sake of ai?

>>6865778
Normalfags don't like any art, ai or otherwise

>>6865786
exactly. which is why relying on people "liking" ai art is just a copium in the end.
the anti-ai art movement is primarily fueled by twitter feelings, which cannot be sustained. large corporations have ingrained greater evils into society's consciousness in the past.
you are naive if you think this will be any different if your only goal is to stop ai.

>>6865793
so now ai art is an evil?

What's wrong with people generating and enjoying pictures?

>>6865785
>What do you gain from this reality where an entire world of art dies for the sake of ai?
proof? people say patreon and other paid services killed the modding community, but modding is only seemingly rarer because actual gamedev has become more accessible and more modders are pivoting to gamedev instead of modding.
it's the same for ai. you'll use ai to make larger projects that combine several skills, like games; something which ai cannot truly do unless it becomes strong enough to replace nearly all human occupations.

>>6865798
It makes artcels and artchuds seethe since they may no longer gatekeep the craft from you behind paywalls or subscriptions. I was in that wholesome /pol/ thread watching others discover their creativity creating pepe concepts having a great time, /ic/ will never get to have the same experience and it eats them up watching others enjoy art.

>>6865809
The one on /v/ was fun too. Unironically one of the few threads during this year that weren't absolute garbage.

>>6865798
you were supposed to overpay some troon with student loans who studied art or some third worlder who draws to live.

>>6861191
She's still doing fine, that's the thing: established name artists won't be affected by the AI too much, new artists are fucked, even if you are a top tier drawfag you will always get second-guessed as a cheater that uses the AI in secret.

>ITT: /sdg/ fags coping having wasted months on obselete tech

>>6865923
Different models becoming obsolete after only months only shows how rapid the progress is.

>>96319213
AIjeets, stop spamming

>>>96319213
AIjeets, stop spamming

>>6865938
and still can't do shit that don't looks melted

>>6866009
if it looks like shit, then it should be a non-problem then. nothing that artists need to worry about.

>>6866013
can't say for the others,but i think that the main reason why ai is hated is the grifters
>it's over for artcels
>i'm going to steal their jobs and make millions
>m-more two weeks!
and similar shit

Verification not required.

>>6866038
grifters are hated in all communities. if only the grifting population is despised, then there really is nothing wrong with ai art.
there only is a sizeable grifter population because it's an emerging technology.

>>6865654
People like AI art you nerd, don't believe these /ic/ers telling you not to believe your own eyes and emotions and believe that AI looks bad because of vague ideas of soul

>>6866009
I still like the meme pictures, they're like insignificant consumables anyway.

>>6866055
Can type that again without buzzwords?

>>6866062
I think he wants to say that people are having genuine fun with AI-generated pictures and that's why they get posted more frequently.

>>6866013
it looks like shit, but it doesnt stop low-iq monkeys from throwing it at your face
especially when its microsoft turd and you have paid monkeys to do that

>>6866059
I don’t get what this comic is supposed to be about

>>6866111
>but it doesnt stop low-iq monkeys from throwing it at your face
i don't think it's any more presence than other types of low-effort stuff.
you just assume it's more "in-your-face" because you're being conditioned to hate ai so you aren't able to automatically filter it like other types of media. to me, it's just another mundane flavor of the month type deal that will just be replaced by something else. easily ignoreable.

tl;dr
>/ic/rabs will never be sakimichan
>AIniggers will never be an artist/woman

>>6865416
yes it is fairly current
I wouldn't be surprised if it is 3D paint over
her pinup are little better but still make her old work look like masterwork

>>6865762
>"Soul" is a spook
call it intent then, AI has none

>>6866055
>People like AI art you nerd
People like generating memes & porn with it. It's a consumer (not creator) approach. No problem with that, but let's not pretend they're making the next Beserk or Kubrick movie, lol.

>>6866711
>the next Beserk or Kubrick movie, lol
This board ain't creating anything either.

>>6865416
it's so obviously 3d, same with this one >>6866597

>>6866798
Now no one pirates her shit anymore so idk but she did have a full-blown process for this one on patreon and I see no 3d mention anywhere
https://www.patreon.com/posts/89688534

>>6865779
>>6866055
Not even the shills want it lmao >>6861684

>>6865654
>>6865662
>>6865663
>>6865703
>can't generate hot secretaries
>can't even change the context to fashion
This has been a colossal waste of time.

>>6866597
Zumi is unironically better
I still like peak Sakimi more

>>6866803
well, she's lying by omission. why did she paint the head like it's a sims mod?

>>6866711
>let's not pretend they're making the next Beserk or Kubrick movie
No, that's happening. Compare what it was like in October 2022 to what everyone's obsessing over this past week. It's a huge leap in coherency. A year out and there won't be any way to compete with it, unfortunately.

>>6866845
>Compare what it was like in October 2022 to what everyone's obsessing over this past week
You mean be wowed by a novelty and then get bored of it?

>>6866849
Skim through a couple threads. Notice how many styles it can copy, how many likenesses it can capture, how many different contexts it recognises. Yeah it still looks like shit half the time. But it looked like shit 3/4 of the time previously.

>>6866851
> Notice how many styles it can copy, how many likenesses it can capture, how many different contexts it recognises
It's not just over, it's super duper over.

>>6866859
That looks neither like Mitsuru nor Soejima style

Reminder to go /g/ and laugh at /sdg/ fags for having wasted a year or more "learning" prompting

Don't mind me I'm just here to soak up the bitter artfag tears

>>6866861
>thatsthejoke.jpg
This app sucks.

>>6866868
I don't even know what you're trying to convey here.

>>6866870
Hmmm derricious cope

>b-b-b-but it's censored
>b-b-b-but it can't use LORAs or custom training on specific art styles so it's USELESS!
Technology trickles down. Dall-e 2 came out before stable diffusion and midjourney, but they used the ideas from dall-e 2 to create a better version of it.
Same will happen with dall-e 3. SD and MJ are probably already trying to figure out how their prompt magic works.

>>6866859
Cool, I didn't say it was all-encompassing and the apocalypse was happening now. Here's some random AI slop I grabbed from /v/, you can check the threads there for all sorts of fake video game screenshots where it can perfectly replicate the look of 3D models of various kinds and capture the look of all sorts of characters.

>>6866910
They don't even use the same tech

>>6866845
>No, that's happening.
No it's not, because everything it generates is derivative.
>inb4 artists are derivative too.
Not the same thing. For example, an entire generation of American comic artists were influenced by Jack Kirby, yet each still drew in a particular style—unlike plugging Jack Kirby into a prompt, which just gives you a (shitty) rip-off of Kirby's style.

>>6866980
>The difference is that humans have multiple "inspirations"
You know you can prompt multiple names and get a mix of styles, right?
.... Right?

>>6866989
>You know you can prompt multiple names
no shit, it's the way those artists internalize inspiration, each one takes something different from their influences.
There's also ... wait for it ...
an artist's real life (along with their psychology, neurosis, etc.).
This is why all those future aspiring filmmakers won't get anything from typing "Woody Allen" into a film AI. They'll quickly discover art is not just a "style."

>>6867012
I don't know anon, I've seen some pretty crazy creative stuff from dall-e 3 so far and it's only been out for a day.
Maybe the individual human experience isn't as important as we thought when it comes to art?

I have a relative who works at the institute of paleontology of the local university in my town. They're going to hold a scientific convention in a couple of weeks, for this they always produce pamphlets, mugs, and such for the attendees. Normally the image that adorns these things is a cropped out photograph of a fossil, but this year they're going with an AI generated stylized 'drawing' of an ammonoid. I think a large part of internet artists are going to be fine since people will always appreciate handmade products, but illustrators who would normally do work on small projects are kind of fucked.

Bro I came here to shit on sakimi not to read about AI!

>>6866865
AIjeets have really believed that open-source will win in AI, from the beginning it was known that FAANGs will dominate this sphere, kek

>>6867138
This was an AI shitpost since the beginning

>>6867138
They’re assmad their bait threads get pruned so they ape on whatever little opportunity they have to spam, false-flag and make it all about themselves. tranoid behavior

>>6867138
that doesn't makes you any better anon

>>6866859
>Using it for generic boring anime garbage
Get better taste

>>6867513
not him,but ai has the incredible power of making any style fucking bland and boring

>>6867513
You first.

>>6865654
honestly the dalle-3 erased any doubts in my mind, this tech is isn't fundamentally limited and by dalle-5 it's just plain over and it's inevitable, time to let go

of course the open source version is going to be necessary because the woke version refuses to do cool shit like titties and vaginas

>>6867038
No, you're just a slop enjoying consoomer.

>>6867581
you have no soul either, it's a just a made up psychosis

>Be realistic to the artist community and tell them that it's most likely over or soon to be over
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE JUST A SLOP CONSOOMER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP"
>uhhh.... okay
Why can't just guys just for 1 second think about what's happening. You really think progress is just going to stop?
Oh wait, you guys did think that, but then dall-e 3 came out and you're back into full seethe mode.
Fucking just think for 1 second so you don't have to repeat this cycle again when dall-e 4 comes out.
It's over.
Let it go.

>>6866980
ai is trained on like a billion images or whatever, more than you'll ever see in your lifetime, the result is a network that can utilize information from those training images and mix and match them freely

>>6867586
consider the following, /ic/ consists of teenager thrid worlder spics and women/(((((((((((((((women)))))))))))))), none of which are able to think rationally when they have a strong emotion over something

>>6867582
>we're just meat machine gaiz
Found the Rick and Morty watching r*dditor

>>6865798
there's nothing wrong with it, it just happens to undermine relevancy of artists and the effort they put into their craft as well as being a hit to their egos, which of course understandably sucks but this world is not always a fairy tale where things go the way one wants them to and whenever things go in a different directions than you want, there doesn't have to be a great big villain behind it

>>6867601
you're a dumb nigger with canned responses
I'm not a wowzer wow hecking science wow jippiee type of guy either, the world we see is just as strange as the one we experience and it's not even clear if they are truly separate in any way

>>6867579
I sincerely hope OpenAi is paying you for your shulling efforts. You're not worse than a janny, are you?

>>6867616
I mean they fixed the issue where everything has to be a generic pose in a portrait composition etc. and now you can have gundam kneeling over and handing a chimp a banana in a jungle and it actually just werks

of course the quality of output needs to improve further and there's still some stuff I can't put my finger on but but I'm not convinced the major hurdles have been overcome

>>6865632
95% of posters on this board have no soul

>>6863568
>>6863568
have a vag

as soon as neuromorphic chips start being pushed to consumers it will be so fucking over because with those things you'll be running far larger models at such high speeds you'll be dragging some virtual mannequin in a viewport that updates in real time

>>6866810
lol
Such great technology, only to be kneecapped by censorship
what a shame

>>6867629
I think it's more sakimichisan has that "wow this looks so 3D" effect on laymen and she was the first one to capitalize it with coomer pinup shit, that I know of at least

>>6865762
>"Soul" is a spook and it's disingenuous
why do tech cucks hate this word so much? probably because they're soulless husks themselves

>>6867647
I get what you're saying but I agree that sovl is usually cope. Particularly in current year

>>6865779
there was a retard who generated a comic strip of Calvin and Hobbes with the new Dalle slop you like to consoom, and the amount of normies who dunked on the retard was so astronomical that the guy limited who can view him on Twitter. imagine doing this to Bill Waterson of all people, who understood why you should not copy others by getting his work rejected from an art contest as a kid. if he as a kid understood that his work should be his own, why are AI cucks incapable of doing this instead of spending hours of their day finding excuses, going around and attempt to equate computer functions to human biology

>>6867586
>It's over for /diy/bros, a new IKEA store has opened! let's go to their board and spam "it's over"
What do you do in CREATIVE boards? We won't use DALL-E and AI same as /dyi/bros won't buy slop from IKEA or /ck/bros from McD. Stop seething.

>>6865809
you're a retard with no creativity who enjoys mass produced kitsch. bonus of course is that it's computer generated

>>6867666
I bet the irony here is that you're in it for anime/comicslop

>>6865863
>>6867603
retards. artists tell you to either pay an artist OR learn yourself how to make art without preying on the, and not use AIgen software on their art, which is understandably scummy. of course you're opportunistic subhuman consoomers incapable of understanding why acting as an entitled parasitic nigger is unpleasant

>>6867667
did you reply to the wrong guy or are you schizophrenic? I'm in what for what? and I don't read manga or comics at all

>>6867586
>>6867596
>>6867603
>>6867632
Everyone keep in mind that these faggots will talk about how it’s just a tool in a few months. Why do they even feel the need to come here and demoralize? It’s clearly just seething resentiment and makes reasonable people lose any good will for their AI cult

Guess what niggers? People don’t just draw to generate pretty pictures of whatever waifus they want. Illustration is a form of thinking. It exercises one’s understanding of the visuospatial world. You will never understand nor appreciate this as your consciousness is not much more advanced that visual idle talk and petty social gratification. There could be superintelligence tomorrow and I would still draw. That is ultimately what the spark consists in. You don’t have it, so can never ever understand

>>6867675
/ic/ doesn't seethe or care about DALL-E. It's always these dumb AIjeets baiting and then seethe when they're told to fuck off and don't get accepted. ultimately this is what they want, force their trash into every community. and it makes them mad that they don't get accepted

>>6867675
I'm actually decent at spatial reasoning, having gone through wais-iv and all

>>6867632
prime example of a retard who played cyberpunk 2077 and views that kind of society as something to aspire to, not a cautionary tale. if such a thing gets invented, populists will shit down your neck

>>6867670
it's unfortunate that this tech makes paying artists irrelevant but it is what it is, I'm not opportunistic about it I'm just looking at it how it is

I wish I could make a living by drawing too but then I have the rational part of my mind tell me it's going from unlikely to impossible

>>6867688
I never played cyberpunk 2077, not even due to the disaster of a release of that game but even before it came out I hated how fucking lame the world looked, when I imagine cyberpunk I picture blade runner

>>6867690
>it is what it is
thieves do not deserve the hands and tongues they posses. there's not such thing as "it is what it is". we can put thieves in a box. pay an artist or learn yourself.
>https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/27/asia/south-korea-child-abuse-ai-sentenced-intl-hnk/index.html

>>6867696
yeah I don't think this is stopping no matter how angered you are over it

>>6867697
you are delusional if you think the wild west that is happening now will last forever. you're basically trying to normalize the idea that people should work for free. that just doesn't happen

>>6867681
That’s not all there is to it. It’s not simply about basic reasoning. You do not have the visual library and ability to break down shapes as someone like KJG

>>6867699
If you truly think that in a capitalist world a technology like this can't work... I...
I don't know what to tell you.

>>6867699
I think it devalues art in the commercial space, yes I'll bring the generic luddite buzzword in but when the loom was invented it made a profession irrelevant and it happened, of course it started the industrial revolution which caused the same to happen to a lot of other shit too

I think in the future you'll still be paid for work, work that needs workers that is

>>6867706
the loom is not an automated tool. it created MORE workers. AI doesn't work like a loom either, it has to constantly rip from artists to stay relevant. the loom didn't need the work of weavers to stay afloat. this is why it's not sustainable. no one will work for free to feed AI slop machines in the future if their rights towards their own labor are not protected. it's the equivalent of taxing a company to hell, they're simply die or take their toys and move somewhere where they can't be touched

>>6867700
I actually own a few of his books, I've noticed he keeps drawing the same things often on top of drawing tons of nonsense that anyone would when they doodle without thought, anyways yes I'm not as good as he or even as good as far lesser artists, but my spatial reasoning is superb apparently

>>6866910
>Same will happen with dall-e 3. SD and MJ are probably already trying to figure out how their prompt magic works.
Nothing to figure out
Just GPT for text encoder and properly curated dataset

>>6867708
yeah but just like the loom killed a profession so do image generators

>>6867713
if image generators will make artists obsolete, then image generators will also become obsolete. if you knew how the technology works you'd understand this

>>6867714
this is not some kind of gotcha
most of proompters just do it for fun, coom or a side grift. an absolute minority of absolute retards consider this to be some serious thing

>>6867714
nah man there's so much data to scrape and annotate better as well as inventing new ways to extract abstract patterns from images, then combine image generation with video generation (I imagine this will truly push abstract understanding of underlying structures since it's not temporally stable and you need from one angle derive the other angles), then combine it with 3D generation and so on

then on the argument of
>if you feed AI with AI images it becomes and feedback loop that leads into loss of information in the model and therefore it decays

from what I understand and reason you actually can use AI images to further train AI if you actually pick good examples and filter out bad examples, kind of like how DNA is still around today without being garble

>>6867679
this, even people on /g/ are starting to get done with this bullshit

>>6867679
some people on /ic/ absolutely do seethe and on /v/ there's always someone randomly crying about AI slop if some AI generated image is posted

>>6867679
You're just straight up lying.

>>6867733
>on /v/
>even jannies get fed up and start removing threads
>instead of just going to a board that accepts the spam they keep making fake on topic threads to spam
But sure, keep playing the victim card

>>6867736
I don't mean those random not video games threads I mean random AI generated video game images posted within threads

>>6867708
>it has to constantly rip from artists to stay relevant.
lol...

>>6867733
>flood a board with garbage
>people get upset due to the decrease in quality
woah. i don't browse /v/ but I'm not surprised in the slightest

>>6867743
"lol" all you want, I don't care. the future will prove me right should it takes this course. you're one dumb motherfucker if you think it won't stagnate

>>6867744
>invent chain of events in your head
>don't be surprised
ok

>>6867720
>nah man there's so much data to scrape and annotate better as well as inventing new ways to extract abstract patterns from images, then combine image generation with video generation (I imagine this will truly push abstract understanding of underlying structures since it's not temporally stable and you need from one angle derive the other angles), then combine it with 3D generation and so on
it won't create clear consistent designs of thing without looking like trash
>inb4 it will be good enough
if you say this you're proving my point about stagnation and degradation

>>6867745
dalle literally just curbstomped everything that came before in terms of prompt recognition
sorry but it's not stagnating and it won't. open-sourced solution are already stagnant

>>6867746
>>invent chain of events in your head
you....literally told me that's what happens you fucking retard

>>6867750
consistency will come with 3D generation if nothing else

>>6867752
you failed to see my point, again. that's not the stagnation/limitation I'm talking about, and you're too inept to understand. have a good day moron

>>6867754
posting an AI generated imagine in some thread is not spam but it's a very effective at making someone seethe

>>6867759
>noooo without our masterpieces it's nothing
artists will be hired to create datasets, anon

>>6867762
how predictable that this would be your cope answer. you're trying to normalize it and signal with it like you do here. so you're trying to do this on multiple boards, just shows how much of a subhuman you are

>>6867765
>artists will be hired to create datasets, anon
gonna have to wait a few generations for the dehumanization of mankind to be normalized. skilled artists of today are not keen on participating in this

>>6867767
>wait a few generations for the dehumanization of mankind to be normalized
FUCKING LOL

>>6867766
dude only thing I use AI for is when I fap and that shit is not for posting on /v/

>>6867762
You have to be 18 to post on this website.

>>6867768
?

>>6867768
you're melodramatic, this shit will eat up tons of artist work in the commercial sector, think of coom pics, anime animation, video game artwork etc.
it's not reducing humanity back into emptiness, at least for now

>>6867771
damn I'm 27 so I guess I'm over the age limit then my bad

>>6866822
I looked for Zumi and I must say that he is not constant, there are good drawings of him and others that are simply mediocre.

>>6866822
>>6866597
smooth renderfag images like this used to wow me but now the stuff that wows me is the shit that looks amazing while looking like it was made effortless (that is to say you can see brush strokes or something that looks like it was placed with clear intent or it has some very novel stylization of something that's hard to break down)

Made around 10k selling AI art this year casually making stuff after work, how are actual artists doing?

>>6861191
How come shitting on Sakimichan is fine, but when you shit on other popular artists like SpeedoSausage, Afrobull or Derpixon people will dogpile you?

>>6867921
if true mind sharing some tips? actual artists are probably still doing okay, on /ic/ you won't find these artists

>>6867927
Luck now to be honest. The market is super saturated with amateurs and Midjourney weekend accounts.

I got in when it was new around November last year. I do kinda wish I had some artistic talent because actually being able to paint just a little makes the AI's job 10x easier.

>>6867935
what sort of shit do you sell or who do you cater to? I've casually been pondering about if dumbass tshirts and displates would be the sort of shit to look at or maybe coomer shit, I know at some point the masses will wisen up so it won't be a long term thing

do you do direct sales or patreon?

>>6867938
I do custom commissions on Twitter, Fiverr, Reddit.Mostly hentai/anime but occasionally deep fakes, normal art, lessons on how to use the program for ~$35/hour.

>>6867946
and your customers are aware of it being AI?

>>6867948
Absolutely. No reason to hide it. People want twice the art for half the cost in a day or two, not wait a month to pay $300 for it to turn shit.

When I was in my 20's back when everyone had phones but nobody had smart phones, people would text me google inquires for $0.50 a question for this silly company that only existed in that microcasm of the laps of tech and knowledge.

AI art is the same way, I'll be shocked if I this gig I got going will last another full year.

>>6867954
>twice the art
>get 0 art instead

>>6867954
>When I was in my 20's back when everyone had phones but nobody had smart phones, people would text me google inquires for $0.50 a question for this silly company that only existed in that microcasm of the laps of tech and knowledge.
lmao, reminds me of how in high school a friend of mine sold boomers pictures of naked women he pulled from google image search

yeah honestly I'm keeping track of how long it takes until everyone will start being aware of AI and realizing they can use it too so I can learn how long it takes for this sort of shit to trickle into mainstream knowledge compared to terminally online people like me being in the know

>>6867921
>>6867927
>>6867935
>>6867938
>>6867946
>>6867948
>>6867954
>>6867963
very organic, sir

>>6867964
yeah that's what a conversation looks like if you make inquiries

>>6867962
Art is a banana on the wall.

I sell anime alien OC's handshaking Robert. F. Kennedy Jr in front of the white house.

>>6867965
>>6867966
very astute, sir

>>6861191
nice sakimichan thread you got here

>>6867973
AI tards need to hijack a thread or else mods delete their retarded bait

>>6868005
sakimichan threads were historically 100% shitposting
at least ai is relevant to most kids wanting to get into arts nowadays

>>6867966
>Art is a banana on the wall.

The guy who made it is a famous and skilled sculptor, isn’t he? Perhaps context matters after all.

>6868025
ah yes, relevant by being not related to developing any art skill.

Rumor has it all AI images were actually drawn by sakimichan

>>6867710
Cool. Not sure why you are making another reply as it is just low IQ cope

>>6868150
you can criticize her for whatever, but you have to admire how she was always a hard worker, and would churn out one of those pieces like every other day. almost like a human machine

AI is cool and all, impressive no doubt, but why do AIfags want me to seethe at it so bad? I'm just gonna keep drawing, I don't just do it for the end art, I like the craft aspect of it.

>>6868431
as it should be
also, pretty sure that there's no such thing as a secret pro AI government organization whose ultimate goal is to make /ic/ to commit mass suicide. it's just banter, learn to take it

>>6867038
>I've seen some pretty crazy creative stuff from dall-e 3 so far
post it.

>>6867679
you faggots literally flood fun threads on /v/ with your pathetic seethe. shut up

>>6869216
>AI fag think artists are the only ones who hates them
lmao arent you in for a rude awakening

>>6869280
/ic/fags are instantly recognizable with your same retarded pajeet screech, stop playing stupid.

>>6869280
artards are being manipulated by corporations that want to own and cuck AI art creation
the same gullible normies that HATE AI are likely to hate trump, russia, snowden, or whatever bullshit media is trying to cancel nowadays

>>6869673
nice headcanon, did your boyfriend gave you the idea?

>>6861211
>$17k-50k per term, 2 terms per month
>She makes from $34.000 to $100.000 per month
>Her art is extremely soulless and similar to AI
>She makes0 both AI pajeets and "real" artists seethe
>Based Sakimeme
BTW who's the first place in "Adult Drawing & Painting Rank" ? Saki is 2nd place in your picrel.

>>6869747
>BTW who's the first place in "Adult Drawing & Painting Rank" ?
Lilydusk

>>6869747
good for her
she walked so pajeets and AI could run and fail to get any recognition while she keeps making bank kek

>>6868431
>AI is cool and all, impressive no doubt
you're fine artbro
it's the people who disagree with us here that need to pay

>>6867629
>>6867641
>draw 3d-ish anime wahmens
Sure anon, I hear 'ya. I was more curious about buying twitter ads, let's say I open a Patreon, and sice I have little following nobody will follow me there... will buying twitter ads (basically, paying to put my shit on people's feeds rather than expecting them to retweet and like themselves) drive people to my hypotetical patreon? Also... How do you run a Patreon? I'm really lost on this issue, do I offer them like, an exclusive pin-up?

>>6869673
this. artists are usually brainlets. no wonder most of them are liberals, too

>>6869845
lmao no. You aren't going to make money unless you are exceptional which you aren't or you wouldn't be wondering about buying twitter ads. Like nigga what is your ad for?
>dear viewer
>give me money
find a niche and market yourself, have an exceptionally marketable skill or sell your soul. Those are the options excluding pure luck. Art is NOT PROFITABLE dummies. But someone has to do it, you're meat for the grinder

>>6869849
being an artist has nothing to do with how often someone goes to the liberely

>>6869673
>>6869849
>look at /g/
>shilling corporations, brand wars, dozens of DALL-E 3 threads, fell for AI girlfriends
b-b-but artists are being manipulated and they are brainlets, kek

>>6869882
you must suspect of everyone that fights against open source
there's currently a state agenda of making high end open source AI work illegal, and imposing censorship on the dissemination of prohibited AI research, concerted attempts at demonizing AI are as clear as day
they have all the money in the world to make propaganda, and you're not immune to it; remember: when state sponsored media talks about peace, they really mean war; when they talk about freedom they really mean slaving you

>>6869902
No one here cares whether it is open source or not you stupid stupid faggot

>>6861884
>liking Sakimikuso ever
Ngmi

>>6869912
and yet, you're being an useful idiot in the agenda of censoring open source and cucking the nascent AI technology to better serve the interests of the governments

>>6869902
yh naw I'd rather coomers and pedos get fucked, idc

>>6869882
/g/ should have been split into a CS and a consumer electronics board years ago, but the mods and janjans don't care.

>>6869935
but you care enough to rant parroting the normie media anti AI agenda
Those who give up the liberty for supposed safety will get neither

>>6869925
>Ngmi
nobody's gonna make it anymore. that train already left the station, anon

>>6869952
>nobody's gonna make it anymore
Applies only to AIjeets

>>6868172
what do you mean?

>go to other board
>thread playing with AI
>people are getting frustrated by the limitations
>one of them says they'll just take the result to an actual artist and ask them to make a less shitty version of their proompt
>artist start doodling other people's results out of boredom
>they get requests for doodles
Artists stay winning.

>>6869673
Here's an idea, maybe you're hated because you're an annoying faggot?

Aichads stay winning

Kek

>>6866934
It was slop a year ago and its still slop now

>>6867624
it just werks sirs

>every board I like has at least 1 AI spam thread
Time to accept that AI-generated images are going to become a new part of human culture I guess.

>>6871208
It's more that 4chan has gotten worse, just like the internet in general.

>>6867614
you are a braindead consumer incapable of thinking about anything deeply

>no works posted

>>6866934
>perfectly
opinion discarded