/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Had to spend some time with people in the room, so I didn't want to draw naked women. I started autistically drawing in the scales one by one but I don't have the stamina.

Cool animal though.

>>6864242
What’s a good plan to start improving as a beginner? I work a 9-5 and usually have about 6 hours or so each night to myself. Should I just set aside 1-2 hours each day for dedicated drawing practice?

>>6864242
missing finger

>>6864262
That’s a neat lizard.

>>6864283
heres your finger

>picked up drawing because I wanted to draw anime girls (not porn)
>enjoy drawing anything more these days than drawing anime or women
It’s weird. Is it normal to lose interest in your initial motivation? Like I heard a lot of people saying one should have a goal to strive for as a beginner but I don’t have any interest in my initial goal anymore.

>>6864276
1-2h each day is pretty good but don't get disheartened if sometimes you're unable to find time for the whole deal. Better to do only 20min if that's all you got than nothing at all.

>>6864295
Normal.

We have an electrician at our place and he gave me a little "riddle" after he saw my draw a box exercises.

We have a cylinder cut at a 45° angle. Looking at it from a 45° angle (head on to the cross section), we have an ellipse. If we look at it from a 90° angle (from the top down, red line here), what shape do we get?

I'm a visualizationlet, so I messed it up...

>>6864276
I'd recommend starting by drawing a little bit each day to build the habit first. You see a lot of people here burn themselves out by going to hard at first.

>>6864276
Yea, it's pretty good, just don't expect big gains from the start.
I was in the same situation like you last year. I started drawing like 1 hour per day, but after few months it turned into 3-4 hours, because generally it find it quite fun to draw.

>>6864313
A circle.

>>6864313
a circle you dumbo

I won’t be drawing today, or this weekend, but I’ll keep you posted on my progress.

>>6864318
Would a good strategy be dedicating 1 hour of drawing per day to start with, then gradually adding time as I get better/feel motivated to draw more? I have a history of starting things then acting like “oh woe is me, I guess I was never meant for this” when I don’t make big immediate gains.

>>6864336
>oh woe is me, I guess I was never meant for this
Don't fall for that feeling with drawing. Speaking from experience you'll have great highs early on like when you manage to draw something that looks vaguely decent or finally understand how something is done. Then you'll also have periods when you feel like you're not improving as fast. To make things worse you'll also start noticing more mistakes/issues in your art. You'll start thinking your art is actually getting worse. But it isn't. You're actually getting better and your brain is starting to see things it didn't earlier. In times like those it's important to keep on moving and not to give up. Eventually you'll get another high when you finally figure out how to fix those mistakes.

>>6864332
ngmi

daily reminder
>>6862715
>>6862715
>>6862715

>>6864361
B-but anon I can't

>>6864363
ngmi

>>6864364
T_T

>>6864361
Questions:
What's a ribbon?
What's the difference between a box in 2p or 3p?
What's a value scale?
Figures are humans right?
How much time should I spend on a simple object?

>>6864276
20 minutes of warm-up everyday is a good idea, not just because you'll eventually improve your basics, but also because warm-up makes you less likely to just start drawing one evening and then get discouraged because your drawing of the night looks like shit.
I recommend that because it happened to me often

ugh bros if i actually go and do invent a new method of head construction i probably shouldnt share it with you bros should i.
because maybe i could make money off of it and MAKE IT.

Wanted to repost since I did it at the end of the thread

I finally hit my 1 month of learning how to draw milestone, so I put together a collage of what I've done so far so I could show myself I have actually been improving

do you guys recommend I start integrating some more fundamental studies into my work now, like construction? I want to try to do more stuff from imagination, since I almost exclusively did studies during my 1 month

>>6864373
A ribbon is just a ribbon, pic related. Try just drawing a ribbon in a random disposition.
Also in pic related is a value scale. It's used for shading, "value" is how dark an area is.
Figure drawing is the art jargon for drawing people.

Look up 2-point and 3-point perspective. 1, 2 or 3 points perspective is the name of the different perspectives that exist in drawing. It is one of the most important fundamentals of drawing.

As for the object - spend enough time that by the end it is fully shaded to the extent that you are capable of doing. At the start it might be 20 minutes, by the end it Will probably be longer because you'll know better how to finish a drawing.

>>6864383
yeah move on to fundamental construction, your observation is easily good enough now

Struggling to find motivation to continue Bridgman. The more I draw heads the worse I feel about them. Tried a mix of normal writing grip and the grip where you the pencil is in your palm and you grip with your pointer finger and thumb.

my wife, that i cant be bothered to paint

>>6864385
Thanks

>>6864401
OC or from media? She's cute

I'm stopping before the end because I think I kind of fucked it all up with the colors and multiply layer.
I should have kept it on a grayscale and just add some details. I really have no idea how to color stuff. It looks like a child drawing, kinda cringe.

>>6864398

>>6864409
helsie from fartnite

>>6864412
this is amazingly cute! good composition and framing, finish it!

anyone else hyped up today?
anyone else feel like tryharding?

>>6864433
I tryhard everyday

Please help. I can tell there should be a strong line going from head to right foot since that's where the weight is, and probably a long curve from left shoulder down to the left knee, but what about the arms/shoulder? I don't understand what motion that part is supposed to have when it's so separate

>>6864398
Okay I hate this significantly less

>>6864442
you cant force motion into everything, the line of action is just one long line, not every limb has action on every photo, some are just 'dead', counter motion is also key, push and pull gives life, its all in the balance, the force

I slept poorly, so I decided to do some cylinders...

I wish I had some old ones from a few years back, I swear my ability to curves and such has gotten better, but I can't tell...still doesn't look great.

Does it look like Symbol drawing?

then just keep constructing form on top

>>6864452
So the only strong motion is the weight down on one leg and the others are dead right? I guess it makes sense. If you look at it this way the motion of the left leg also matters much less

>>6864452
blind leading blind, your lines are totally wrong

>>6864462
post your version

>>6864462
lol, go on the son, lets see the 'correct' lines

>>6864466
>>6864470
bruh, learn your landmarks, look at the bones

>>6864474
oh yeah lol, my bad

drew this for my cousin for her bday [she's 4]
sorry if scan fucked up

>>6864486
Cute cat. What paper + medium is that? Some kind of pastel/crayon?

Here are my cats from today.

ok painted

>>6864494
i used old wax paper and some random crayons

>>6864242
The 2000 is supposed to be made up of squished clay-people but I didn't know how to make it look right

What did he do to create the tones here? Did he do something to dilute the ink or is it something else?

>>6864513
hot

>>6864513
draw her taking a shit and pissing

>>6864383
holy shit that much progress in one month. rocking and rolling man

>>6864383
Much better after you started tracing.

>>6864383
30 days staright from imagination next.

>>6864527
Thanks! Glad you like
>>6864536
o7

Some studies

>>6864595
Dios mio... la creatura...

30 min from ref. She had her lips a bit pursed, but I found it pretty much impossible to nail.

Erasing is a pain so there are some schizo lines left in

>>6864456
Continuing, I was able to do this today, the top three are just "tracings" using the Hide croquis method, while the bottom one is a recreation I attempted that I did within a few seconds...definitely felt like I had more control though still not great.

warmup from this morning

>>6864486
Very cute, hope she liked it

>spend an hour on the same gesture drawing
>still looks wrong
I'm gonna rope

study

>>6864605
thought i'd draw an anime version of her anon hope u dont mind

>>6864686
One of my favorite underrated pokemans

>>6864692
my nigga

>>6864687
I don't mind. It's a cute anime girl.

The foreshortened hand on the rail is definitely one of the harder points of this pose, and I think neither of us really nailed it that well.

>>6864649
and study of a ferenc pinter illustration. fun but probably wont use just a square brush in the future

>>6864649
>>6864686
>>6864727
how do i reach this level

Is color-picking from the reference considered cheating?

>>6864735
Yes
>>6864732
Do studies?

>>6864735
If you color pick, then immediately use that color in your study, then yes, it's cheating.

If you color pick your reference a bunch of times solely for study, then you try to paint your study without color picking, it's not cheating.

Same with tracing. If you trace, then you try to copy the same image independently, it's not cheating. In fact, tracing in that context will make you see the reference so much more clearly. Tracing is the secret to learning how to draw, imo

Trace, then copy. Trace, then copy. You'll improve so fast

I am no artist, just a faggot that wants to be seen as one, a mere pretender.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>6864752
You are not sticking to the original's proportions. On your ref image, she is bending forward very much, that is totally lost in your drawing.

>>6864759
I see, the pelvis box should be moved more up then?

This any better? I tried using boxes to reconstruct her lumpy torso from >>6863790
Mid sections are surprisingly complicated for me

>>6864763
don't be afraid to not show it in a drawing, most people can infer what is suppose to be there. The breast is close to the crotch area in the ref, yours is far apart.

>>6864768
sweet
other than that is the construction OK?

>>6864767
I liked the other one better, the lumpy/fat stomach gave her more character. Also the proportion of the legs of the other drawing is better then the newer drawing.

>>6864773
like the other anon said you should focus more on proportion. Because this is a harder pose where everything is foreshorten you will need a better understanding of proportion to get the construction right.

>>6864752
You should start by drawing the largest shapes first, which is usually a framing of the outer contours. You shouldn't try to capture every little detail of her outline, but try to simplify into a basic shape you can use as a framework, then do the same thing to get the general shapes of her upper and lower halves using the framework you already created. And so on

>>6864735
no such thing, ask yourself instead
>is it getting the effects you want?
If you're studying, does it teach you anything?

>>6864793
what are you using, pen and wash?

>>6864793
reminds me very much of the drawings in Keys to drawing and I say this in a good way.

>>6864793
Very nice anon. Be careful with some lines tho so they don't read as hair eg. ass cheeks on top left and stomach on bottom left.

>>6864797
Blue ballpoint pen and copic neutral grey 1&3

I scanned and made it black & white in photoshop and tweaked it’s levels a bit

>>6864802
Thanks

>>6864804
Yeah often less is more

>>6864741
https://youtu.be/9E62iA6KCIQ?si=U74kxHTcexJt3uqJ

>>6864549
>tracing
huh? none of those are traced though, what do you mean?
>>6864552
yeah i really want to do more imagination pieces

just started the vilppu gesture course, so far i'm having fun with it

>>6864860
>huh? none of those are traced though, what do you mean?
NTA but i guess when people see that super clean line work and being accurate with the ref it and also people who trace can only literally symbol draw so doing something fairly accurate and very clean yet lacking certain nuance and skill makes alarm bells ring in some peoples minds

its like a weird off-shoot of the uncanny valley but for artists

feet and shit

>>6864871
>yet lacking certain nuance and skill
isnt that because im new to drawing though?

>>6864778
Hardcore disagree with this. the other one had significantly worse proportions the newer one needs the knees adjusted but I like the contours of her hips more. The finer details like her stomach can be worked out later I'm just trying to improve the basic drawing. She's supposed to be tall so it's about 8 heads with her naval three heads down and the hips and legs 5. Her torso does need adjustment but the original looks like she has midget proportions and her oversized tits and hips make her look like a balloon animal. The arms should probably also be longer on the newer

>>6864868
Paid or the free video ones on YouTube?

Hi, I've been studying perspective this week and I'm already getting a little dizzy. Is it really necessary to master perspective to make illustrations of this style?
My goal is to have the necessary level to start creating anime illustrations that are not copies of episode frames or reference of artbooks.

>>6864886
the new master's academy renaissanse one

>>6864888
First thing you should do is copy artists that you like and try to produce original work that you actually want to draw. If you find that your understanding of perspective is holding you back then you can take some time to focus on improving that and immediately applying it to stuff you actually want to draw

>>6864242
arm practice

>>6864893
perfect test, if you think this looks good you're a total beg

>>6864894
Crab tier

>>6864894
perfect test, if you agree with this you're a total idiot

Does the fog look shitty? it's completely stumping me, what's the best way to do digital fog? it's supposed to be silent hill so I can't just remove it

>>6864901
Do some of it in the foreground, it will place the character more in the scene. Difficult to make it look good, I have no idea how, def needs a reference

>>6864894
is there something wrong with practice?

>>6864908
If it’s shit, yes

Can’t stop drawing tits

>>6864894
I'm sure you are much further along. Everyone is at a different skill level, relax.

>>6864912
is she supposed to have a puffer fish for a shoulder and jelly for hair?

huggywuggy moonscorch

>>6864894
>>6864911
>>6864920
retards

>>6864928
One of these is not like the others.

>>6864906
Thank you, anon
>>6864924
looks pretty cool, could be a pokemon

>>6864894
can you point in the direction to get better? the only way i can improve is by practicing.

>>6864947
try to make the studies look finished instead of being an eternal sketchlet
delete the sketch/helper lines and see for yourself the garbage you're left with

>>6864947
Are you actually going to listen to this guy? Jesus, anon, a little self-respect.

Is this a coo work WIP, done with no reference?

>>6864953
Her neck looks gargantuan

how do i avoid having my art look like this? i want to draw anime girls but i dont want to turn into a twitter autist incapable of drawing backgrounds

If I want to sketch and draw like pic related, what should I do? Is something like vilppu even worth to study if I want to draw like this?

>>6864868
assignment 1

>>6864872
>bottom left

>>6864950
do you have an example of a finished study? I never knew the point of practicing was to finish a piece of work.

>>6864952
lol, i just like input of all kind

>>6864954
Might b a dumb question, but what do u mean? Her neck?

>>6864972
Women usually have small trapezius muscles, while the one in your piece is so huge it goes right into the neck, with no angle change. Her head and neck are also too far back overall I think. The nape of her neck also seems very thick. Hope I explained what I mean well enough, English is my second language.

>>6864967
>do you have an example of a finished study?
>>6864872
>>6864686
>>6863628
>>6862884
>>6862582
>>6861743
>>6859568
>>6860523
>>6860950

>>6864947
Draw full bodies instead of just loose limbs. No use whatsoever learning to draw the perfect leg, perfect arm etc. when you can draw a bunch of 8/10 body parts that add up to making a convincing body. Gesture, pose, perspective are all harder than just sheer anatomy anyways. Focus on making your practices look closer to actual works

>>6864953
Don't listen to the other schizoid, her neck is fine. Her thighs look unrealistic and formless, try getting references and drawing the thighs more realistially, and her foreshortened arm is wrong, doesn't look 3D. My advice is just find reference for both situations, maybe get Design Doll or some program like that.

Any tips for drawing characters wearing armor?

>>6864972
Here's a ref with the same shoulder position. Head is set differently but hopefully you see what I mean

>>6864978
That's what's confusing. I think.

I haven't drawn the trapezius yet. I haven't added in her neck area because I don't know what her clothes, musculature, hair will be.

You say it's big, I'm like, I barely drew anything.

>>6864997
>I barely drew anything.
If you don't see what's wrong I really don't have anything to say to you anymore, you're immune to help.

>>6864983
Thanx 4 the feedback. I draw with references 3 times then do 1 with no reference just to c how it looks.

It's good 2 no where I fucked up. Thanks.

>>6865003
You circled her back, dude.

>draw anime girls a lot
>now trying to draw some human faces from life
>always draw the eyes 2x bigger than they should

I fell for the anime meme, I got crabbed by japan.

>>6865007
God you better be trolling

>>6864242
What's a good exercise in between drawing boxes and observational studies? Somehow I can draw whatever boxes in different perspectives but I can't use it very well to make an original picture.

>>6864983
>>6865004
For certain positions you shouldn't need a reference right. If you need a reference for a guy standing that's a problem correct?

frustrating day of spending 8-10 minutes replicating the detail of a 2-minute vilppu figure and getting totally fucked. can't believe the forms he manages to get down

>>6864963
all of those are built on figure first and foremost, definitely study it from someone
>>6864868
very impressive
>>6864752
remember to think of tension and the path of the eye, reading down the figure in the ref leads towards the center whilst your outer thighs stay more parallel. keep it up
>>6864595
also good, love the simplicity of the figures

Any feedback on how I improve overall? Drawing since december. Been feeling a bit burned out/tired lately but I want to get better.

>>6864972
No. Do Not Respond!

>>6865009
you know how from the front the face is about 5 eye widths wide?
well it's about 7, 7 1/2 eye balls wide
maybe knowing this will help you

>>6865109
And now you guys want me to do math? How much do you want to see me suffer?

crit my shitty chalk board art

Do the line exercises actually work? did your lines went from wobbly to stable?
Is the drive actually useful?

>>6865079
Good job, keep going. Try to make your lines longer and smoother, imagine like they are a river flowing through the body of the model. I'm still struggling myself, it's really hard to not just try to copy what you see and use contour.

>>6865135
I did this as a warm up everyday for 2 months, helped my lines quite a bit. First two weeks was especially good, after a month felt like it was mostly diminishing returns. I wouldn't recommend spending any more than 30 minutes per day on this kind of stuff tho.

Tonight's study

Which is the best anatomy book if I wanna grind bones and skeletons? Not necessarily just for getting good at regular figures, but for skeletons' and bones' own sake

I hate legs, I hate feet, I hate hands. Clothed refs are torture.

>>6865112
Dude anime style allows for cheating, just develop a style that works and do some basic construction before hand

>>6865215
Best thing for bones are 3d models, or actual plastic reproductions yoi get from amazon.

The best way to study it is to draw it, then redraw from memory what you just drew. This way, you will eventually be able to draw the bone from imagination, from all angles

day 75
experimenting today with internal detail, shapes, silhouettes etc

>>6864383
oh I remember you from day 3 that was right before I went on vacation, i say your basic observation is already spot on so you should try value/color studies or something else that will improve your imagination-based drawing and your minds eye in general. you need to /feel the form/

>>6865079
i say you improved from the last batch

>>6864242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgaG0GuC6a8

How expensive is it to start with oil paintings?
Also I would like to do gold leaf on my paintings but I'm not sure if it is prohibitively expensive?
t. still working on basic shapes for the past 2 years

>>6865305
Also another question
Do you guys bother studying art history? I wonder if I should also start looking at art instead of just practising fundamentals

forgor timer

a good resource for references is coomer.party

>>6864276
never force yourself to grind a hobby you love. Suggest maybe, but never grind/

>>6864383
>Day 4
...new 'jak?

>>6865351
I wouldn't recommend using such heavily photoshopped images as references.

>>6865358
I doubt they photoshop the outline of their skeletal structure
I'm sure it's just the texture of their skin and faces
probably

is tracing to practice a meme?

>>6864965
more notes/gestures

>>6865360
not at all. ultimately, even when you can draw without reference, you're still "tracing" out the curve your inner eye sees

>>6865364
you know that makes me wonder
can people who can't even imagine images clearly even draw?

>>6865360
Practicing tracing makes you better at tracing. For a complete beginner it can be fine just to practice your hand-eye coordination but can quickly become a crutch and some may become dependent on it, so I don't recommend it.
You can trace over things if you get stuck when trying to study something. Be sure to actually apply what you got wrong to your original piece. Tracing over photos to analyze something is useful too, such as for anatomy studies.

>>6865360
If I try to copy something 5+ times and I still can't get it right, I trace it a couple times.

Then, when I go back to trying to copy it again, I suddenly improve by 10x. Tracing is NOT a meme. It's a tool to learn, provided you copy the reference again right after tracing

>>6865360
no rules, just tools
pic related

Complete beg here.

What paper size should I use for drawing?
I think I always draw too small which prevents me from adding details.

>>6865450
regular A4 printing paper is good enough. A5 paper is fine too

Re: is tracing a bad thing?

Unbelieveably useful for calligraphy.
(Sure process = tracing in this context)

>>6865467
that boy looks like a 37 year old man lol

pls r8 mein

>>6865480
I think it's good, you should try drawing bigger
>>6865120
Not much to crit here, the folds look nice

>>6865530
pawell pilled

>>6865530
hahaha that fucking watermark

>>6865530
based and applepilled
wish I could render similarly to this, but alas I'm getting hardfiltered
any tips for a renderlet?

I don't want to create things. Too much work, fuck that. I just want to buy and consume stuff.

How do you practice accuracy on observation?

>I don't want to create things. Too much work, fuck that. I just want to buy and consume stuff.

I've drawn this unfinished piece directly from a reference artwork i found on Artstation made by Benjuniu. This is the second time for me to draw with colors. What do you guys think?

>>6865557
What have you tired.

>>6865577
Putting landmarks on faces and checking, but I don't see how doing that over time would help me if it looks too much like I'm guessing.

Also tried visualizing some cubes or line angles. but it also feels like it won't return too much after a lot of tried.

I've seen some people saying to do grids, but there is 0% chance that shit is useful in any means, it's just scanning an image.

>>6865551
Hard to tell what you need to improve without looking at your work first, but here's general advice:
Learn how to do a smooth transition between two values with the default hard round brush. It's annoying to do, but helped me a lot
Learn about light and shadow, hue shifts and for the last topic smooth vs hard edges
Experiment with textured brushes, finding them a creative use is the fun part, especially to seemingly useless ones
The picture was redrawn from memory with my own twist, initially I drew it along with this video, you could try it too, the dude covers a bit most of these topics in it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KYAsXuG3SM

>>6865581
Google "sight size drawing". But to be honest I'd stop giving too many fucks about things being extremely accurate.

>>6865598
You think so? I'm kinda realizing all the good artists do studies that are pretty accurate and can draw like a fine arts student should, so I'm trying to follow those lines.

I just opened loomis after, like, 5-6 years and realized I can't even draw a fucking circle.

>>6865602
By all means if accuracy interests you. Go nuts.

Is graphic design art for people that are filtered by the pencil?

So this is weird, suddenly I am starting to "get" proportions better, not great at all, but my drawings are starting to feel like actual humans rather than crude attempts at humans? If that makes sense?

I am not getting ahead of myself, but is this normal early on? To suddenly just kinda get a better sense of where things should fit and be sized at? It's a lot easier for me now to the point I didn't feel like I had to struggle much while doing these...

That being said, still very poor and unfinished. But am I on the right track?

>>6865618
that is called progress anon. it isnt some lightbulb moment or a series or powerups/checkpoints in a game, its just something that happens very slowly until one day you realise it is happening

also, progress in skill is like a ladder, progress-plateau-progress-plateau which creates that sense of stagnation even if you are increasing in skill/knowledge
there is a graphic somewhere that shows your eyes/mind progresses way faster than your hands/practical skills

>>6865618
Draw the whole figure instead.

>>6865623
>there is a graphic somewhere that shows your eyes/mind progresses way faster than your hands/practical skills
I gotchu senpai

>>6865629
Eventually, I shall. I am using the "Don't dwell on something for too long" method of learning (after seeing first hand how dwelling on something for too long can ruin your progression), of course this isn't for every thing but for now that's what I am doing.
>>6865623
I do wonder how far I will be by the end of October, I haven't had the balls to try drawing a character's face yet but I hope I can soon.
>>6865630
Thanks!

>>6865638
Hey. Drawing the occlusion could add a lot

>>6865648
Oh yeah definitely, thanks for this
I really should check my work by desaturating it

>>6865630
ayy thank you i knew something like this was out there, saved
>>6865637
>I do wonder how far I will be by the end of October, I haven't had the balls to try drawing a character's face yet but I hope I can soon.
honestly, stop thinking in terms of "by x time i will/can/should be/do y", the more aware you are the more stress you will feel, when it comes to skill building being able to just ignore everything besides the task you are doing, basically "enjoy the process" will benefit you more especially long term

regarding not "having the balls" to draw something or avoiding a specific thing, well, you already know you cant avoid something for ever and getting out fo your confort zone will make you better
you might feel like shit for not doing a good job, but guess what? you are challeging yourself with something at the edge of your skills, ofc you are going to fail or do a bad job, that isnt the point, the point is to fail AND analyze why you failed and learn from those mistakes, if you never challenge yourself or try to live in a hugbox you will never grow "insert any cliche phrase about facing challenges and how it will make you grow as a person"

if you have trouble with heads/faces, then focus only on that, i did that here with feet and >>6864872 and i did not only the typical "study poses/angles" but went after more natural/less seen in tutorials ones, and even some fun refs like top left abomiantion (its from tomfoxdraws book, its good for fundies in fun way but shit for actual anatomy) i also have a random pose and midsection drawing because i felt like it idk
point is, do focused study but vary that study, not only do the typical exercises but also go beyond and that includes doing fun/interesting shit

>>6865655
Don't use the saturation slider, it will change shit inaccurately. Better create a new layer on top, fill it with white and change its mode to color.

>>6865656
>honestly, stop thinking in terms of "by x time i will/can/should be/do y",

Sounds like a good mentality to have if you are young, but at a certain point the clock starts ticking too loudly.

fuck man i feel so stuck, why does art have to be so complicated and have so many branches

Last mspaint goofiness before I read the sticky and fully commit to this hobby.

taking advice from >>6865139 and focusing much much harder on flow. 50/50 between "this looks awful" and "heading in the right direction", gonna keep grinding

>>6865307
love page layouts like this
>>6865618
heading the right way. try to keep away from ovals where they don't fit. compare shoulders from the top-left vs the top right, for instance, top left looks much more natural with the flow through the arms. breasts should be evenly spaced along the centerline (bottom-left is offset) and generally form an upside-down heart shape from the pit of the neck, depending on perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ5QF0q4QqQ

Marco just put out a damn good painting video. Specifically as he defines the painting process. Pair this with learning to observe and draw accurately and you'll be setting yourself up pretty well.

Feels good seeing small gains even in dumb doodles. Don't give up bros

>>6865656
I think I'm just trying not to overwhelm myself, so I am focusing more on just drawing figures/general anatomy right now, but I do want to draw faces eventually I just want to make sure I don't overwhelm myself immediately.
>>6865658
Can relate to this...so much.

I'm a pedophile.

>>6865668
ayy some of these look really good anon nice

hey pawell, look what vilppu says about you and your autistic perspective book grinding.

My camera quality is shit but thoughts on this? I tried doing a bit more abstract than what I normally do

>>6865658
>but at a certain point the clock starts ticking too loudly.
shit mentality, it slike people enjoy either being a forever doomer wanting to rope or go to the other extreme of perma hugboxing running away from reality
stop falling for these perma online shitty takes

Wish i could draw all the cool things i imagine in my head.
I'm ready and willing to start learning but not sure where do i begin. I've dropped in and out of /beg/ courses around five times now. Done Loomis twice and didn't learn all that much. About a quarter of every recommended /beg/ book too.
How do i get back into it?

I can do what one other anon told me to a few threads back but not sure what Figure Drawing is and how to do it.

>Warmup:
>- 50 straight lines of varying sizes
>- 50 ovals of varying sizes (including getting the axes correct)
>- 50 circles of varying sizes
>- 20 ribbons
>- 5 boxes of varying sizes in 2p perspective
>- 5 boxes of varying sizes in 3p perspective
>- 1 value scale

>Then:
>- 5x 1 minute figures
>- 5x 2 minute figures
>- 1x 5 minute figure

>And finally:
>Render a simple object (fruit, accessory, prop, equipment etc. Pick a new subject every day).
>Then you can focus on studying other stuff, or draw simply for fun
>Do this EVERY day for a month, and compare your skills before and after
>>b-b-b-but anon, I-I c-c... *shits xers pants*
Shut up and do it, bitch. Thank me in a month.


Also not sure how completely talentless losers somehow get to enjoy drawing and creating and all that. I've seen at least a couple people who had the skill of a witty five-year old but were still proud of their work and found some charm in it.
I get mogged by literal crayon enthusiasts

>>6865759
Why is that a shit mentality? You can't keep practicing for 7 years with no job and just "taking your time", unless you were born a millionaire or are 20 years old.

>>6865759
>ike people enjoy either being a forever doomer wanting to rope
What if i don't want to rope cause i don't think life is long enough to truly be unbearable?
Like i can do next 60-80 or even a hundred years. I don't believe in the afterlife so once i'm out that's literally it, and by then it doesn't matter if i lived five years or five millenia.

Thus suicide isn't necessary. If you want to die you can just wait.

>>6865761
>Wish i could draw all the cool things i imagine in my head.
big red ngmi flag

>>6865772
What do i do to change it then. I am humbled and will do whatever is needed. Do i need to approach it taoistically and desire nothing, thus live free of suffering?

I feel like if i do that i won't learn how to draw. Its not in my nature so if i won't desire it using my human faculties i will never feel compelled to pick up a pencil.

Nope. Not drawing today

>>6865781
its okay anon. I hadn't draw yesterday but i will draw today after i'm done reading Camus.
We can take turns. Not sure what i'm gonna draw though. Probably will work with my figure drawing book or i might do a dinosaur since my friend likes those.

>>6865767
>Why is that a shit mentality? You can't keep practicing for 7 years with no job and just "taking your time",
need a job? get a job

>>6865790

>>6865761
If you dont know how to do figure drawing, then get the necessary resources, I recommend going through the video course by Vilppu (DYOR) https://youtu.be/_0bd0_8onkA?si=MuRvoUu_OvTyOiHm
neglect the figure drawing part of the warmup until you know how to do it
and I can tell youre a renderlet so skip the render objective as well (this routine is perhaps suited for mid/high beg+)
PYW so I can assess your skills

>>6865772
Disagree. I only started enjoying drawing once I became good enough to make things I enjoyed looking at. I think it's a good goal to have

>>6865804
>and I can tell youre a renderlet so skip the render objective as well (this routine is perhaps suited for mid/high beg+)
that sucks
all i'm left with are just lines and circles and shit, damn.

Drew this one with a mouse so might not count. Pencil-made thing coming through in a second post.

Its also from a year ago but i haven't made much progress. Probably cause its one of the few things i've made since then lol

>>6865804
Keys to drawing exercise from last week.

>>6865804
Shitty agh Bridgman from two months ago. Quit after two pages or so since i couldnt do it well.

>>6865804
Copy of the Oily guy from Junji ito.
More than a year old by now. From around the first time ive started learning how to draw.

I havent learnt a single thing or gotten much better since so you can use it gauge my skill.

>>6865804
Baragorn from three months ago drawn with a mouse

>>6865827
>>6865825
>>6865822
>>6865821
>>6865817
Not gonna post no more.
To put it in perspective this is literally MOST of what i've done since the three years i've been *interested* in the prospect of drawing. Should have thousands of those shitty things by now but i don't do shit so here we are.

What do i do with this then.

>>6865828
maybe you should stop thinking about drawing and actually do it pussy

>>6865837
Been aware that it is what i should do for years now but somehow i never end up doing it.
I just always find a new distraction that i indulge in while thinking about drawing at the back of my mind.
Its not porn addiction or zoomer adhd brainrot or anything. When i don't have computer access i still don't draw, i just go out for long long walks. Can not stop procastrinating.

Well until today since i do intend to draw a bit after i'm done with Camus and Gym.
Hopefully i will see it through this time around.

>>6865839
One big thing i feel like i NEED to know before i begin is proper pencil-holding.
I fucked up my fingers from years of keyboard using so they are all tensed up to the extreme regardless of what i'm doing at any given moment. I feel like that will never allow me to get good even if i sink thousands of hours. Barring that i don't even know the theory of how you are supposed to hold a pencil to do different acts.
Is there a book on that maybe?

>>6865828
>To put it in perspective this is literally MOST of what i've done since the three years i've been *interested* in the prospect of drawing. Should have thousands of those shitty things by now but i don't do shit so here we are.
Christ almighty
Warmup:
- 50 straight lines of varying sizes
- 50 ovals of varying sizes (INCLUDING drawing and getting the axes correct, research this if you're confused)
- 50 circles of varying sizes (try to get them as round as possible, we're not trying to draw ovals here. lock your wrist and draw with your arm)
- 1 value scale (5 steps)
- 10 boxes in 2p perspective (shaded, remember to place your light source)
- 10 cylinders
- 10 beans (look up proko bean)
then you're own your own for the rest of the day. Observe shit and try to draw it. I recommend doing still lifes in order to train your eyes, but maybe it's too early for you
I would just grind simple forms (boxes, spheres, cylinders, pyramids, cones) until I'm comfortable with it, then start editing them like this https://youtu.be/6T_-DiAzYBc?si=fJHT7SEwYEBwZzCS&t=472
and lastly, dont just practice. draw for fun as well.

>>6865846
pyw

>>6865846
>Christ almighty
I don't count doodles only things that could be called a full drawing. But yea it is fucking bad and over and we're never back.

>50 straight lines of varying sizes
>- 50 ovals of varying sizes (INCLUDING drawing and getting the axes correct, research this if you're confused)
>- 50 circles of varying sizes (try to get them as round as possible, we're not trying to draw ovals here. lock your wrist and draw with your arm)
>- 1 value scale (5 steps)
>- 10 boxes in 2p perspective (shaded, remember to place your light source)
>- 10 cylinders
>- 10 beans (look up proko bean)
Sounds pretty boring but i guess i still gotta do it nonetheless. Seems like its mostly just exercise for the tiny muscles in your hand and fangers you use for precision work desu.

Can i do it all digitally with a graphic tablet or will that betray the purpose somehow?

>>6865846
>>6865853
Also what is a value scale.
Just a thing that gets progressively darker from one end to the other?

What's are some good exercises for a mid-high beg to get better with? I've lost a solid routine after drawing from every book and exercise I could find online and I want something more challenging.

>>6865358
amateur sex workers and not as crafty as you think
they play with camera angles and filters but they don't have the skill or time to convincingly photoshop their skeletal structure to not be detectable and consistent with their other photos

>>6865870
Pyw

>>6865857
LEARN TO GOOGLE NIGGGGGGGGGGGEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>6865871
photoshop, filters, same shit. no need to be pedantic. takes two seconds to edit photos on the beautify apps too. women do it for normal selfies, of course they do it for their nudes too. if you can't tell that's heavily edited, you need glasses.

>>6865870
Hey pawell, do master studies or just draw what you actually want to draw

>>6865875
>LEARN TO GOOGLE NIGGGGGGGGGGGEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Sir i am white and live in Evropa.

I do plan on marrying an asian lady if God willing.

>>6865881
Would master studies be better than photo references or should I balance both? And who's pawell?

>>6865884
>falling for the WMAF meme
crnige and slack-jawedpilled

>>6865845
>One big thing i feel like i NEED to know before i begin is proper pencil-holding.
your emaking up excuses and barriers "oh i cant do x until y so ill waste more time"

>>6865876
>photoshop, filters, same shit
no, they're really not, filters are built into every social media app, every image viewer, every camera etc, they're everywhere and they were here for a long time. Using filters is not "heavily editing" nor is it comparable to photoshop. You just sound like a clueless boomer screaming at clouds

>>6865886
Masters use advanced techniques that photos don't, edge control for example, so I would suggest doing the studies and then try to apply what you have learned to your referenced drawings. Good luck

>>6865894
listen here son, photoshopped is a generic term for editing photos, which filters do, you silly goose. she clealy has the filters turned way up on that one.

This is the biggest blackpill app I've ever seen, I drew for 6 hours and half of it was not drawing.

>>6865890
just wasted an hour of my time browins the net. I was supposed to be reading Camus. Still gotta do it and then i need to go to the gym and only then i will draw (maybe).

Realistically probably not because i don't do shit and have never done shit so the precedent is such that i will not be doing shit in thje future but i would really love it if i went up against those odds and did do something even though i usually do not

>>6865900
>photoshopped is a generic term for editing photos
it was 10 years ago grandpa, and using filters is not "editing them" it's a checkbox on most apps

>>6865902
>Realistically probably not because i don't do shit and have never done shit so the precedent is such that i will not be doing shit in thje future but i would really love it if i went up against those odds and did do something even though i usually do not
guess its time to change your habits and get your priorities straight anon, it isnt easy but it is better than the alternative

>>6865903
so you admit you knew what i meant by photoshop, were you pretending to be dumb or are you lying now? filters edits photos, by definition that makes it editing them.

>>6865904
>guess its time to change your habits and get your priorities straight anon, it isnt easy but it is better than the alternative
Been trying to do that since five years without much success and i'll continue trying for the years to come probably also without much success.

What else can i do but try.

>>6865913
>What else can i do but try.
keep trying but reevaluate what you have been doing because 5 years of failure to break bad habits mean you have been going about things in the wrong way, cant really help without knowing you personally

>>6865909
>so you admit you knew what i meant by photoshop
i didn't do that though?
>filters edits photos, by definition that makes it editing them
honest question are you autistic?

>>6865917
should probably mention that i'm eighteen so i'm not an old seasoned sea-dawg trying to undue a lifetime of self-abuse but a person who organically grew into a poopyhead and was trying to stop the process at every step of the way.
Heard men stop forming mentally around 30 so we'll see what i end up wiith by then.

>>6865884
>>6865888
marry a slavic woman instead. they objectively reign supreme.

>>6865921
not sure how being able to follow logic makes me autistic, guess since you can't you are just retarded.

>>6865921
>honest question are you autistic?
nta, but filters by definition are editions done to a image to alter it in some way and calling that anon autistic for it is dumb and typical of people only being able to argue semantics not ideas like little children

>>6865922
>t i'm eighteen
then you got plenty of time, just dont fall for dumbass cronically online peoples takes, especially if you go into discord servers where you might end up detached from reality tahnks to shitty cronically online takes just so you can "fit in with your new digital frens"

>>6865925
I've been arguably porn-rotten so the only slavs i'm attracted to are cute alt/goth women.
Hope this isn't an issue anon.

>>6865930
>then you got plenty of time,
On the other end i have yet to learn a single skill in my life. There is no precedent for me getting good at anything and i don't have enough fate in myself to blindly believe that's even an option.

>, especially if you go into discord servers where you might end up detached from reality tahnks to shitty cronically online takes just so you can "fit in with your new digital frens"
Went through that a few years ago. Nowadays i have like two good online friends with whom i talk and that's pretty much it.
I'm not ideologically belonging anywhere and i don't really plan on becoming.

I'm autistic, with ADHD. I can't focus on trying to get better at all or even come up with anything to draw without just giving up and going back to looking at my phone and doing something else.
I've legitimately never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby and have gotten lazy over the years with my only actual one which is writing and the only reason I'm good at writing is because I wanted people to be able to understand what the fuck I was saying and I wanted to write good stories because I thought I'd never be able to make them in a visual medium, but that's it. I've never been able to commit to a serious routine, schedule, or anything. I just sit in my room online doing basically nothing.
Everything I try doing looks so daunting and impossible. I tried learning Source Filmmaker as a teen and I gave up immediately because it looked too complicated. I tried learning how to make my own games in game maker, gave up immediately and never touched it. Even something like drawing just looks so complex and impossible. This is what it's like for everything I try doing.
I'm giving myself an ultimatum. I want to become a good visual artist like I've always wanted to, otherwise I'm offing myself. I'm giving myself a year. What are some guides I should follow?

please redline the bottom half, i know i fucked up somehow

>>6865941
Sucks to be you

>>6865458
Thanks for the eye-opener.

>>6865941
Also a year is not enough to get good even if you worked like 8 hours a day so you're already doomed by default.
Consider raising the time limit and or not offing yourself

>>6865934
>On the other end i have yet to learn a single skill in my life

You are 18, you fucking retard, no one expects you to know anything besides not shitting yourself.

>>6865947
If I raise it, I'll never get anything done.

>>6865926
>how can someone GET UNDER someone's skin? it's physically impossible to get under someone's skin, the place between the skin and the fat is approx 0.5mm which is not enough for any person to get under there without causing severe damage
>not sure how being able to follow logic makes me autistic, guess since you can't you are just retarded.
>>6865928
i have to argue semantics because that fag doesn't know the colloquial use of words because he's autistic and/or out of touch

>>6865948
I know people who are like a year older than me and professional artists who draw for money.
Hell even some people younger than me do it.

I know one chick who got great a drawing after going through a single course and is currently studying architecture meanwhile i have no skills and no prospects. I just sit at home and think about doing things.

>>6865958
And I know of someone who became empress at 2 years old, so what? Just go draw, man.

I’m sorry to hear that you’re feeling so frustrated and hopeless about your artistic aspirations. I understand that learning a new skill can be challenging and overwhelming, especially if you have ADHD and autism. But I don’t think giving yourself an ultimatum is a healthy or helpful way to motivate yourself. Drawing is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, not a life-or-death matter.

You say you want to become a good visual artist like you’ve always wanted to, but what does that mean to you? What kind of art do you want to create? What are your goals and inspirations? How do you measure your progress and success? These are some questions you might want to ask yourself before you start drawing.

There are many guides and resources online that can help you learn how to draw, but they are not magic formulas that will make you a master overnight. You have to be patient, persistent, and curious. You have to practice regularly, experiment with different styles and techniques, and learn from your mistakes. You have to find your own voice and expression, and not compare yourself to others.


But the most important thing is to enjoy the process and have fun. Drawing is not a competition or a test. It’s a way of expressing yourself and exploring your creativity. Don’t let your negative thoughts and emotions stop you from doing something you love. And don’t put so much pressure on yourself that you lose sight of why you want to draw in the first place.

I hope this helps you a little bit. Please don’t give up on your dreams or yourself. You have a lot of potential and talent, and I’m sure you can achieve anything you set your mind to. And please don’t harm yourself in any way. Your life is precious and valuable, and there are people who care about you and want you to be happy.

>>6865962
>>6865941

wanted to try out how inked art would look like

>>6865961
Literally can't refute that no matter how i cope. Fair enough.
Going out to the gym, drawing once i get back. I'll do the lines and boxes and circles and all that bullshit and then i'll draw something for fun.

>>6865942
its got appeal

>>6865351
>Terrible ignorant lighting
>Airbrushed and shopped to hell and back
No, anon. No it isn't.

>>6865968
>Going out to the gym
decided i'm not gonna gym. Drawing imminent.

What do you do on those mornings when your hand keeps shaking so you can only draw in little loops?

>>6865978
Drink of vodka

>>6865363
hw 2

>>6865941
If you really wanted, you would find needed information yourself. The fact that you create stupid threads where you cry and find creatives ways to disregard every advice is telling that you're just a troll. I pity anyone who'll seriously try to help you

>>6865942
can't redline shit as a beg but just as a guess it looks to me like this hip comes out at too sharp an angle, when we should still be able to see some kind of easing in to the main portion of the thigh
>>6865969
agree though

Is there a proper roadmap that you guys agree on or is the big sticky's study path the most accepted one?

>>6865994
Do draw a lot, but remember painting is a pretty different skillset. Learning how to draw won't make your paintings great however not knowing how to draw will make painting much harder as you are trying to solve multiple problems at once.
Now the same goes for drawing/painting from imagination, you can paint real good and yet just stay in the boundary of stick figures when it comes from imaginative drawing painting.
Strangely enough the same seems to be true for the opposite, you could paint decently from imagination yet fail to get your observational painting to preserve any semblance to the actual subject matter.
What I mean is art has many dimensions, don't develop one at the expense of the others.
Do learn how to draw, just remember it's not the entire ballgame. Many drawing problems can only be solved once you ascend to proper painting, then you automatically solve them

>>6865999
Thank you, anon. I'm going into this with the goal of eventually doing digital painting anyway, so your explanation cleared some doubts up.

Yiff in hell, Furfags!

Just realized I have no idea how arms connect, time to bust out the anatomy book.

which one of you wants to get anatomymogged?

>>6864242
i can clearly see how wrong it is but i can’t figure out how to fix it?

>>6865925
True, they stand at the top of the female hierarchy

What's THE best exercise to improve observation and accurately depicting what you see? Still life?

>>6865363
>>6865980
nice, how long per pose? Also what technique? Vilppu?

>>6866003
Glad it could help, I started with the kjg craze so I had this fucked up notion of drawing being the end of it all when it's really a section of the puzzle piece. Quite important but still only a piece, by painting you deal with drawing as you design your color shapes and edges we only separate drawing out because it's easier to learn this way. Just like it's easier to understand values by doing greyscale studies, however this is a crutch. I looked at an older painting of mine and tweaked it up, it was glaring how dead the shadows were since I only lowered the opacity on the grayscale painting and overlaid the colors on. Shadows were too desaturated but back then I couldn't really tell. There is a nice marco bucci vid on the topic, it's more like a rant really but it's quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJitss58XKc

>>6866050
2 step value studies, black and white. Just draw shadow shapes and fill in.
You might want to try Betty Edward's how to draw book too

>>6866054
yup Vilppu
>>6865363
not sure, started and stopped with vilppu, probably between 5 and 10 mins.
>>6865980
top 3 are same as b4, others are 2 mins

>>6866046
Eyes too far apart and mouth too wide.

>>6866046
Mouth is way too low down his head. The eye (on our right) is also just sort of floating out in space.

how long would you reckon it'd take to get to this standard of artistry from a beginner? and could it be done without going to some kind of art school?

hypothetically if you've got a lot of time, would it be possible in a few years? or like a decade

>>6866072
>just obscure everything with black bro
i guess like 5 minutes, or however long it takes a midwit like you to find the coal tool in photoshop

>>6866072
No one knows the answer to your question
If I said 20 years, would you lose motivation and stop drawing?
Guess what nigga, YOU decide how long it takes

>>6866072
3 - infinite years
depending on your iq and work ethic

>>6866076
cheers for the serious answer
>>6866078
3 years - how many hours a day for that?

>any other hand position besides tripod is too uncomfortable
>tripod causes me to use wrist too much
>cannot find a decent sitting position because no proper desk and chair and no place for proper set up
>drawing doesn't go well, either
Yep, the point in the cycle where I get depressed about being shit at drawing.

Somebody should make a new thread.

>>6866082
>>tripod causes me to use wrist too much
then just lock/hold your wrist still, you dumbass
and get a desk and a chair, for fuck sake
even if you live in mommys basement collecting welfare checks you should afford it
god the amount of stupid shit you prebegs come up with to not draw

What do you guys think about this shield design? A bit impractical but going for a more fantasy Elden ring esque sort of design

>>6866082
I just bought a used 140x70cm desk for 25 euro (~$25), would have cost like 200 in Ikea. It sounds like you love being miserable instead of doing shit about it, I've been there myself.

>>6866046
Have you tried making an honest comparison between the two images? The cheek bone is too low, the mouth is too low, the gap between the eyes is too wide, the side of the head is at a slight angle when it should be mostly horizontal.
While your head is pretty okay, it doesn't match your reference -- which seems to be what you want.

>>6866162
For me it's way more anime than Elden Ring. It's just symbols and ornaments thrown together without much cohesion.
I'd say - simplify the overall design and make the lion less cartoonish (square shapes might help make it more intimidating).

>>6866167
Guess I'm being lazy and not really wanting to deal with parents' being cunts about it.
Will try moving my stuff to dining room to use the table there and see if it makes a difference.

>>6866162
>>6866169
There's a chevron rhythm repeated like 4 times throughout the design, but each one is made of shapes incongruent with the others.
Might be 5 times if you count the two ornaments in upper corners

>>6866171
I'm rooting for you anon, make it work.

>>6866174
actually 6 with the lower contour of the lion and 7 with the lower contour of the shield lol

>>6866169
Hmm...So you think not including gold leaf and filigree is a good decision? I personally like the lion head so I'll keep it as it, want to have that be the main theme other than the cross.

>>6866162
>>6866174
In case it wasn't clear what I'm talking about. Repeating the rhythm is fine, but using all different kinds of shapes for it will always look messy.

>>6866183
Profile view of the lion looks great, head on the circular shapes make it look like a cartoony lioness AND don't gel particularly well with the otherwise sharp angles and straight lines of the design.

>>6866183
>>6866193
Still I think the biggest issue is that you have like 10 different symbols going on.

Am I doing gesture drawings wrong somehow? It doesn't feel like I've learned anything.

>>6866284
gesture drawing is a waste of time

>>6866284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAY5N76VP8M

>>6866198
All right then I'll roll with this. Unless I see a different design for a kite sheild

>>6866046
You drew a low-T zoomer.

>About to pick up the graphic tablet and draw my daily set of circles and lines as >>6865846
presrcibed.
>Immediate bout of stress and anxiety hits
Why the fuck. its just circles and cubes and shit, holy fuck.

Will do it, i just need a moment to compose myself but GODDAMN. Why won't my own body let me work.

>>6866046
Nose looks great.

>>6866081
Those illustrations are not the most artistically gifted. If you lack skill/talent, you can work as long as you want on a single piece and make it look that good. You just won't be very prolific, and it would take a lot of patience and perseverance.

Every book:
>here is gesture drawing. draw motion, do not draw contours or outlines, feel the weight of the pose, feel the movement
ok, how do I do that
>...

Bait, do not respond.

>>6865901
What app?

>>6866360
I wish it were bait, this shit is killing me

>>6866362
Work form neilcic.

>>6864242
SUBU SUPREMACY!!

>>6866369
I wish it actually did.

The more you draw the worse you get The more you draw the worse you get The more you draw the worse you get The more you draw the worse you get The more you draw the worse you get The more you draw the worse you get

My drawing always comes out feminine to me and I don't know how to fix that. More rigidness?

Is drawabox a meme?

>>6866433
of course you do, the more tired you are the worse you draw

Anyone care to give me some critiques on my gesture drawings? The ones on the left I did along with proko and the ones on the far right are 2 minute studies. Middle is 30s

>>6866500
>>6866302

>>6866451
Yes, it's a meme. Just copy cartoons you like.

>>6866570
I've been following the Proko gesture drawing course. I have been improving but I was wondering if there were any glaring mistakes that I can fix quickly

>>6866500
>proko
bro fell for it

>>6866617
pyw

>>6866581
>>6866617
What are some learning trends to not fall for? And what are the proper way to learn those things?

frustrating day of very little progress. need to focus more on representing solid forms rather than Arbitrary Flowy Bullshit. should probably also try some bean exercises, if that helps

>>6866284
definitely check vilppu or hampton and take your pick, both will establish the baseline of how to work
>>6866500
nice but still a little stiff and empty internally. throw some more contour lines in there and maybe a few more rhythm lines to lead the eye

started morpho anatomy for artist, have no fucking idea how to study it

>>6866641
I mean if you can't get the flow and gesture down, I don't think you're ready for volumes or beans yet , but it can't hurt to try. There are no rules to this, there are also other approaches to figure drawing, find what fits you.

>>6866284
>>6866500
don't be afraid to draw wrong, what you both need to train right now is your eye not your hand, glide your focus through the form and have your pencil make note of what you saw, there's no correct, only observation. You can start out your gestures by looking at the pose for a few seconds, identifying the most interesting part and going from there, stuff like "oh this shoulder is really stretching out into a weird shape" and just letting yourself experience the gesture. If you follow this instead of trying your best to make it "look" good, you'll have significantly better and more interesting results after a few sessions

>>6866628
don't listen to proko
watch how he draws a kangaroo

onto the next week

>Take out drawing utensils
>Wave of anxiety and badfeel hit
>Hide drawing utensils and go procastrinate

guess i have to make a new thread
migrate whenever
>>6866969
>>6866969
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>>6864957
Draw backgrounds.

>>6864950
>try to make the studies look finished
>posts this >>6864872

>>6862715
>- 5x 1 minute figures
how do you even draw a figure in one minute?

>>6866436
Less eyelash, mouth as one line, square jaw. Honestly the nose makes this look like a character on King of the Hill.

>>6864920
More like armor and yeah jelly for hair