/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6861681
>mechanical anything use programs like inventor, autocad, solid works or just any 3d modelling software ala zbrush or just blender. that wont teach you how to draw, it will teach you how to sculpt in that one software which will be endorsed by school / teacher.
Darn. The more I think about it the more I don't think a formal education path will exist for the thing I want since honestly? I'd just be going to goof around. Best way to describe the thing I'd look for is Charles Hu or Peter Han but teaching design like Scott Robertson. That's all shit I can do now but it's probably not viable for anything other than posting on socials when you're good so of course a school won't have that.

black pill me on +2023 concept art

>>6861675
Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have atleast read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve your technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

Threadly ref:

>>6861695
You can't tell me what to do.

What are some exercises to develop spatial thinking other than rotating cubes?

>>6861707
Drawing
>>6861695
Needs more Loomis

>>6861707
You could try fighting your dad

>>6861707
Do that exercise where you draw rotating heads, a step further than rotating cubes.

I feel like DAB is great for grinding at the office. If someone saw my sketchbook and saw it was nothing but boxes and ellipses then I doubt they'd get as mad as if they saw some tits and ass. They'd just assume I'm doodling random geometric stuff.

Though I did try doodling some coworkers after "stealing a glance". I'm too pussy to keep ogling properly.

By the way, anyone got any good suggestions to draw ass in public? I saw lots of good ass in jeans yesterday when I went outside to draw people but they moved around too much for me to really feel the forms, if you know what I mean

>>6861723
People will be flattered if you suggest drawing them. I drew people at work during breaks all the time.
No advice on how to draw ass in public though. I only ever drew faces.

Frazetta study after a long break due to burning out.
I feel like I make leaps of improvements after having stopped drawing for a few weeks or months.

Kinda tempted to make a Conan-themed inktober this year, even though I know I'm in waaaay over my head with this.

>>6861698
ITS MA'AM

Paint this.

Today is the day.

The apple grind continues
maybe next week ill start on heads, who knows
>>6861738
I should probably try this
>>6861743
neato, very nice

When you fuck up the beginning and decide to add to it anyway, thinking imperfections will make it charming kek

Alright so I had a rough night of sleep and tried to do some, but felt too tired and worn out to do it properly...and for some reason it came out REALLY bad.

Like, I have no idea how I screwed up the smaller pictures, I had the reference and everything, yet the position of the hands and head were completely wrong.

I'll try and do a lot more tomorrow, but how the hell do you get out of this phase of just merely being unable to position things properly? It's bizarre to me because I've only gotten it semi right ONCE, yet how come it's so hard to reproduce?

>>6861773
Continuing, but looking at it...I think my brain lacks the ability to plan out the right size, like it can't see the the proper scale/proporitions of certain parts of the body, like it lacks proper planning.

>>6861695
fuck off Arnoldposter! Why did you come back? Everyone was happy that you were gone.

>Go to /beg/
>Every other poster is lightyears ahead of me and can casually doodle in seconds what i could never do even with years to spare
>Get discouraged and don't draw anything
>Repeat daily

>>6861753
>>6861793
I believe in you guys!

>>6861793
I also believe Anon!

>>6861805
>>6861796
Rn i'm going out for a walk and later on i need to get in some reading. Its already evening and i need to get up early tomorrow so there may not be enough time for drawing today.

>>6861793
This was all I was capable of two years ago anon.
I couldn't even get a single cylinder right.

My drawing >>6861731 is nothing special but what makes me proud is how far I've come.
I believe in you anon. It gets discouraging grinding circles and boxes for hours on end but one day you'll find out you can draw way beyond what you ever thought possible.

>>6861810
>This was all I was capable of two years ago anon
Yeah i'm even worse than that.
That's probably the level i'll get to if i stick around for two years.

it's been a while

>>6861813
Ive also never grinded any circles and boxes. I'm in a cycle of opening up new beginner books and then quitting 1/4th of the way in and then doing the same thing with a new book three months later.
Never been on some circle boxds regiment like "Do x amount of gestures a day"
I don't even do anything daily.

>>6861773
Take your time and stop guessing so much, it looks nothing like what you're referencing. Try tracing it over and over at first then draw it again. Break the shapes down, internalize them.

>>6861813
>>6861816
You are your own worst crab anon. If you actually want to draw this will be your first obstacle to overcome.

>>6861813
>>6861793
Is this your thread >>6836379 ? If yes, please go away

>>6861821
Okay, tell me about the boxes and circles then. Which guy tells you to do these and why. Is it just perspective or line control or some other thing?

>>6861793
shut the fuck up idiot

>>6861824
>Is this your thread >>6836379 # ? If yes, please go away
No but i share the sentiment. I don't have adhd and i don't take meds for my depression but i'm pretty much in the same boat. I'd say i draw worse than this guy but i'm not as mindbroken

>>6861819
"looks nothing like what you're referencing"

The first one definitely looks like what I am referencing, just very poor. The other two though yeah I totally get that.

That's the issue much of drawing seems to be just GUESSING which is why I am struggling. The tracing things I don't see how that works when you are not actually doing it yourself.

Started looking through an old sketchbook. Here's 15 not particularly active months apart.

>>6861733
>unfunny chud is also shit at drawing
like clockwork

I've been going back through my older work and flipping it and I have a hard time believe how flat it looks. does some art just look bad in the opposite direction or have I been fucking up that badly?

>>6861833
Try it on your recent work

Why does proko's gesture drawings look bad? They look "correct" but wrong at the same time, and unappealing, why is that?

>>6861830
At your level you shouldn't be doing any guessing or "doing it yourself" as you put it. Going over/tracing a study isn't bad anon as long as you're learning from it.

>>6861838
Then why do some people say tracing is bad?

Are you talking about breaking down a figure into shapes? Is that what you are suggesting?

>>6861835
Hampton's or Vilppu's look so much better

>>6861834
I did a side-by-side flipping of an older piece that people liked and it looks very flat on the right. Out of all the older pieces in my gallery only like 3 didn't look shit flipped

>>6861843
Reference

>>6861813
>Yeah i'm even worse than that
I had been trying to learn for like 5 months at that point.
Besides, if you can improve as much as I did you'll still be a lot better than you are now.

>>6861826
Everyone tells you to do them. Every drawing is made up of shapes and if you can't do them right you'll never get to draw what you want.
I think I remember Brent Eviston, Scott Robertson and probably also Vilppu saying you need to do those. Apparently the advice goes back to the renaissance.

>>6861846
you have to consider than westoids look at stuff from left to right which is why the picture on the left will always look better to you and me

Tried watercolors for the first time. No idea what it is, but it was fun.

>>6861851
but is the right image as flat as the left one? I noticed some of the flaws even before I flipped it but I didn't think it was that flat

>>6861849
I'm doing Hampton figure drawing rn (four pages in). I wonder if he'll have me grinding basic shapes.

>>6861852
Kino+ soul+ pre beg.I like it.

>>6861843
Very cool anon. I think some parts of it need a more clear division between some objects, because the leaves of the tree blur into the sea, sky, and the undergrowth on the side of the path. Makes it hard to read until you start looking closer.

>>6861840
Tracing is bad if you're trying to pass it off as your own or make a quick buck. Doesn't hurt to go over what he drew exactly as he did it. If you can break it down into shapes try to do that as well. Then try drawing it again after a few practices and you should see better results.

>>6861847
Looking at the reference, it looks like you could have used a much dark color for the leaves, brighter and maybe a bit desaturated for the undergrowth. Or similar effect could have been done with ink.

>>6861856
the one on the left flows better, which gives you the impression that it's better in the ways it's not even different, because that's how important framing/composition/flow/ideas are.
The thing about drawing is, you don't know why something looks wrong, that's the hard part

>>6861868
>which gives you the impression that it's better
but it's not actually better right? the one on the right is how it actually looks when you're not used to looking at it?

>>6861861
If I sleep well tonight I'll try to get through some more pages and start doing what you suggested.

Lack of sleep seems to be a major hinderance to me actually learning anything. I was fine yesterday but today I could barely do anything, just felt really cruddy and my brain wasn't into it.

>>6861868
NTA. I don't think the right even necessarily looks wrong. It looks like she is more inquisitive more than the relaxed feeling of the left. Like she's tilting her head or craning her neck to get a different view of something.

I didn’t draw yesterday and I won’t draw today, either. Probably not even tomorrow. I’ll keep you posted, though.

Been trying to get used to drawing digitally with a drawing tablet, but I'm having a dififcult time tracking my cursor (or at least in csp). Any tips?

Man it takes me forever to do landscapes.
I'm trying to study Doré's illustrations and it takes ages even on a small piece of paper.
Is the hatching wrong? I feel like I went overboard with line thickness in some places.

>>6861832
>tranny gets assblasted over a shitty joke
many such cases

to ellipse is to suffer

>>6861832
40

>>6861813
Oh my god stop being a little bitch and just fucking draw anon. I'm drawing for a year and I can't even copy shit,
but this still won't stop me from picking up the pen and trying my best everyday.
I'm probably ngmi, but that's not gonna stop me from trying.
It's all about your mindset. Do you want to draw? Do you think drawing is fun? Then draw if not then give up and leave.

>>6861900
Oh fuck off, retard. If he displayed any confidence you’d be knocking him down and telling him to give up.

>>6861905
What did he say that was wrong? Does anybody here wants to convince crybabies that they need to draw? If you don't wanna draw, you won't draw.

>>6861814
I like it. Her left leg looks wonky tho, looks flattened and disconnected.

>>6861906
If they don’t want to draw you insult them. If they draw you insult them. Just be honest and admit you’re an asshole.

>>6861814
Anon, please draw with more than a number 2 pencil.

>>6861909
That was the first thing I said on the topic, the other guy isn't me. And if you can't handle insults on 4chan of all places then you really need to just get a fucking grip.

>>6861909
>you
(you) should know that there is more than one person in this thread at a given time

>>6861905
No, why would I knock someone down that tries his best just like I do?
I just can't stand it to see someone bitching but clearly not even trying.

>>6861913
So then it’s fine for me to call you a retarded piece of shit.
>>6861914
And yet you’re all worthless.

>>6861921
You do it because you’re a pathetic excuse of a person, just like >>6861914 and >>6861913.
Nothing here but crabs.

>>6861922
Yeah, it is fine. If you had good opinions it would affect me in some way though, instead of not at all.

>>6861873
>the one on the right is how it actually looks when you're not used to looking at it?
No, the one on the right is how it looks like when it's mirrored, and it looks worse because you are western and read left to right, which also causes you to view everything left to right intuitively. For the picture on the right you keep trying to read it from left to right but it doesn't flow as well from left to right. People from the east will prefer the one on the right instead
The solution to this is to make drawings that read well from both sides or not do horizontal flow or just accept that not everyone on earth will like your drawing
>>6861879
I can see that, but the one on the right looks cramped/uneasy/stressed/claustrophobic, it clashes with the colors and her relaxed expression

>>6861924
There's been nothing but constructive criticism in this thread you sperg. I say this with sincerity, reddit is probably more your speed.

yoo thats my art on OP cover

>>6861936
Congrats, anon

>>6861936
Congratulations anon, you're gonna make it

What sort pf practice / preperation do you typically do before trying to do a serious piece?

>>6861944
Squats

>>6861944
I just do it. Usually gather reference but spend no more than a few minutes looking.

>>6861944
When is a piece serious.

>>6861952
Looks like a belly flap.

>>6861953
I am used to just sketching. Quickly trying to capture ideas without much rendering. What I mean by a serious piece is trying to flesh a drawing out as with additional detail and rendering.

>>6861954
What does?

>>6861957
NTA but the penis does. Still hot though

>>6861928
I didn't flip them by putting them side by side in a collage editor like that. I flip it in krita when I'm drawing it. I just put them side by side here so it'd be easier for anons to see both sides of the piece.

I will keep your advice in mind though, thanks for the advice anon

>>6861952
what do you use as reference for something as stylized as this?

>>6861959
Ah fuck.
>>6861968
I didn't use one!

>>6861814
Keep drawing with pencil

quick anatomy review

Finally actually got something done for once, hoping I can continue it for tomorrow.

Pretty sloppy though, it took 3-4 hours for me because I was trying to be accurate but I ended up cutting corners near the end.

I think I'll try to redo it tomorrow.

>>6862027
>copies Range Murata
gmi
Fix the armpit cloth folds on the right though, wrong position

>>6862019
Baste

>>6862062
dunno about that boob connection and abdomin mate.

>>6862068
lol i put a toe on wrong side

>>6862065
redline it m8

>>6862092
beg opionions take it or leave it.

>>6862093
guess I see what you mean after filpping it

it is too late now though

too late again, might draw tomorrow though. Probably not but possibly yes. Hopefully.

>>6862117
Thanks for the update ShroedingerAnon

>>6861698
why not

>>6862119
its technically 50/50 but realistically i never end up doing it so its 100/0 on the miserable rolls.

>>6861932
>There's been nothing but constructive criticism in this thread you sperg.
You’re not smart enough to know what “constructive” means. You go to reddit and see how well being such a prick goes.

>>6862102
I don't know if you'll consider this helpful or maybe I'm just gonna expose that I don't know shit about anything on an anonymous chinese knitting forum but here you go

>>6861908
Thank you! I see it now

>>6861835
because that's not how you do gesture, he doesn't capture the most essential parts like the the feet curling up against one another, the weight of the legs and how they bend his spine, his outstretched fingers, how he's clearly straining to look forward and how his neck crumples up.

The angle of the weight bearing forearms is wrong, and im not saying you have to have the PERFECT angle but he drew it wrong in the WRONG direction, making it look like it's bearing less weight

tldr proko is a xerox machine that cant actually draw for shit

God damn stupid hand this made me hate myself

>>6862226
hey great job man keep it up, make sure you're trying to understand the forms. this is how you get better, being bad is good for you

>>6862191
>proko is a xerox machine
Every time I see him complete a drawing it irks me because he clearly has a ton of talent and fails to do anything interesting. I unironically love a lot of Scott Sava's art he makes for shorts, though what he has to say isn't really interesting or appealing.

>>6861835
he did what vilppu tells you not to do which is drawing a silhouette instead of form

>>6862151
That's why I said go to reddit. No one's gonna say big bad words to hurt you.

How do i stop myself from quitting very early into the learning process? I've done like five times already. I'm pretty resolved to finally see it through this time around but so was i the last five times so i can only assume it'll end up just as well.
I just wanna escape the devilish cycle of doing nothing at all and gain a cool skill and draw all the cool little drawings i've been thinking about drawing for a good while now.

All advice and insults welcome just anything that might help idk.

>>6862268
Think about all the crabs that would rather see you fail and stay at the same level. Be better than them.

>>6862268

What happened to the animation general?

proko gesture day 2. still weak in a lot of places but fluidity is much better, attention to anatomy needs work. again not sure if it's expected to match proko at this level or just move on?

>>6862019
sick
>>6861886
looks good, love the transition in angle in the bottom left. density seems to vary in the top right a little though
>>6861851
if this is true, how come most manga still looks good to westerners? does "left looks better than right" only apply when error is involved, with western eye will passing over problem spots if they match the left-to-right flow?
>>6861835
>>6861841
they look alright to me, already know of the vilppu course but are hampton's figure resources worth working through vs the others as a beginner?

Sup beg. The book is finished. Now i have in short term plan to make 2 mini comics (like 1~2 pages each), 1 art test and then i will finally start figure drawing grind hell.

>>6862331
considering how long it takes to just draw 1 thing and you need to draw exponentially more for animation of anything... they simply didnt draw fast enough to keep general from page 10
>>6862268
less thinking, more drawing
>>6862226
hands are hard
>>6862019
i kneel
>>6861944
i double the size of canvas, sometimes even quadruple it. and then i find more than 1 reference for it
>>6861886
if you want speed then use some thicker tool for crosshatching large areas
>>6861852
looks like alien landscape to me. pretty cool
>>6861843
it is all sorts of beg, but nothing you wont cure by simple: just draw (more of it)
>>6861769
that is very solid trabant! the only nitpick i have is the missing shade firmly connecting the car to the ground. which you can very easily add. and maybe some darker clouds for extra contrast and eye candy
>>6861731
>anon gets better by simply NOT DRAWING for a few weeks
damn, where can i get this super power?

>>6862347
brother, watch the vilppu video course on gesture..this is painful to see.

FULLY concentrate on what he says.

https://pastebin.com/7MjYbjFV

>>6862347
>if this is true, how come most manga still looks good to westerners
Because most images don't have such a drastic horizontal flow, and/or flow nicely from both sides and many directions, it's only with extreme stuff like the great wave of kanagawa or amateur art that you have such drastic differences when you mirror it

>>6862347
ngmi

>>6862385
looking forward to your figure drawing grind. Remember that's it's endless and you can't "finish" it like perspective

>>6862176
It would look better if the torso wasn't as such, but since it is, this doesn't work, and >>6862102 makes more sense

>>6862385
>anon gets better by simply NOT DRAWING for a few weeks
damn, where can i get this super power?

anon chud doesnt realize you can get better by observing reality, not just drawing everyday

>>6862440
was gonna call you a hater but then I saw that anon OP had 100+ fucking layers like holy shit

how do i stop getting filtered by fundies? at what point do i say “yes, i get it” and can start drawing what i want, such as figures? where does “just draw” fit in? i always feel like i’m missing something and don’t understand how simply drawing more = better.

>>6862514
pyw

>>6862514
people who ask these kinds of questions need to read the sticky.

Basically, study from reference... draw from imagination. Both activities should occur concurrently for the rest of your life.

I recommend figure drawing as your study for the next few years. Study Hampton and Bridgman and Loomis and Vilppu, and you'll be fine. Take a constructive approach, so you can draw from imagination.

day 73
You know, when you exercise hard, you need to rest hard, but if you train light, you can rest light. Train hard + rest light is only possible on peds. I remember posts from a while back complaining how people who practice minimal amounts are way better that them, when they draw for hours and hours daily.
Another thing that I thought about is the rising use of stimulants, you guys might be competing with people on caffeine, adderall, nicotine and whatever else they can get their hands on /blog1
You guys ever notice how pros and ints can draw just random blobs and lines and they just look good? Anatomy and realism doesn't apply here anymore so why does it work? These fuckers are hiding something that they don't show in their grift-ass tutorials, well jokes on them, once I get it I'm gonna make them squeal and tell everybody how you do it, that's just the kind of revolutionary I am. Today's practice was about just trying to apply everything I know about the simplest most atomized techniques possible /blog2
A tough pill to swallow is that watching a bunch of youtube videos about drawing will actually help you immensely, but I have weird reservations about doing that, like I want to develop all the skills myself /blog3

>>6862347
you should "move on" when the current exercise you're doing is no longer straining you
>120 layers
how

>>6861372
upload where? to xitter? why are you so aggressive about it

>>6861698
Finally my drawings look more human
also awesome pic to practice

What kind of pen do I use if im trying to imitate Gibson?

>>6862533
>upload where? to xitter? why are you so aggressive about it
Because I like seeing your studies.
You remind me of this blog I used to follow where the author just fucking died
https://minimumwagesketchbook.com/

>>6861738
what.

>>6862296
i'm the middle one but unironically
i don't get how you people just have this innate ability

First time in a long time trying on digital

>>6862582
wow

am i dead yet

>>6862514
start making the art you actually want to make, even if it sucks
self-critique your work and find specific things you need to work on, ask /ic/ if you can't tell whats wrong and for recommendations for artists and books to study
study those things from artists and instructors you like
apply what you learned to fix your previous pieces and make new ones
repeat

>>6862593
Problem isnt the medium, bud

>>6862620
not yet but

>>6862455
the unfuck the torso

>>6862655
Your observation is very bad
I suggest doing at least 50 still lifes in order to train it

Lil Bear and Lil buddy return.

sketch page. drapery is easier the LESS you think about it

3 minutes each. Is there merit to doing these for me or should I go longer? I feel like 5-10 minutes could possibly be better to observe more carefully, but for getting the proportions down and honing that intuition this doesn't feel too bad.

Warmup:
- 50 straight lines of varying sizes
- 50 ovals of varying sizes (including getting the axes correct)
- 50 circles of varying sizes
- 20 ribbons
- 5 boxes of varying sizes in 2p perspective
- 5 boxes of varying sizes in 3p perspective
- 1 value scale

Then:
- 5x 1 minute figures
- 5x 2 minute figures
- 1x 5 minute figure

And finally:
Render a simple object (fruit, accessory, prop, equipment etc. Pick a new subject every day).
Then you can focus on studying other stuff, or draw simply for fun
Do this EVERY day for a month, and compare your skills before and after
>b-b-b-but anon, I-I c-c... *shits xers pants*
Shut up and do it, bitch. Thank me in a month.

>>6862715
that's not enough figure drawing bro

>>6862715
Fastlane to burnout

>>6862718
This is a warmup to start your day.
>Then you can focus on studying other stuff, or draw simply for fun
Draw more figures afterwards, if that is what you want.
>>6862719
ngmi if this burns you out

>>6862715
Lets see some credentials.

>>6862715
pyw

>>6862724
>>6862728
ngmi

>>6862715
>Then:
>- 5x 1 minute figures
>- 5x 2 minute figures
>- 1x 5 minute figure
thanks bro
i will do everything you said RIGHT NOW but ive never done figures, what should i read up on or keep in mind for this?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This is cool, but so long, I'm trying to stay conscious about what I do, and not autoplilot it.
I hope it's worth it.
I'm barely at the first quarter of the book

>>6862707
this is now my oc

>>6862741
>but ive never done figures,
yikes and oof, anon
check out the wiki, pick any source to learn how to draw figures. Get a method youre fairly comfortable with then start doing timed figure drawings
Hell, you might need to grind some beans before getting a method down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqxPHew5bGQ

>>6862752
>yikes and oof, anon
i agree but i want to get good at drawing heads and faces before i got into figures and bodies, makes more sense for me in this order. you can draw nice portraits without bodies but bodies without faces not so much.

>>6862715
5 circles in im already much better at it than 20 minutes ago.
thanks a lot for this post. i will do this every day no matter what and i will thank you in a month.
this will finally kill my procrastination.

>>6862744
GOOD STUFF ANON!
Keep going!

>>6862715
>Then:
>- 5x 1 minute figures
>- 5x 2 minute figures
>- 1x 5 minute figure
actually i will replace this with constructing loomis head in different perspectives because im focusing on heads for now.

i don't even know what to do anymore to improve...

>>6862765
ngmi

>>6862775
IM GOING TO MAKE IT IM GOING TO MAKE IT IM GOING TO MAKE IT

thoughts on this? its not exactly as loomis tells you to do it but i think this might work good for me.
is this sound construction? is the perspective sound?
i think i made one mistake here and that is i use the corner that sticks out of the cube as middle point for the circle and therefore the sphere. but i should have, its the point on the sphere that is closest to the viewer, not the core of it.
it doesnt matter much from this perspective but it has to be skewed just a bit to the right.
then it works right? ill do more of this later
i think like this i can finally construct heads without trouble.

>>6862804
>should have
shouldnt have*

Used sketchbook app on mobile

>>6862584
well i didn't get a single interaction on my studies on xitter so i figured no one cares

How much should I mind the tools I use at a beginner level? Bein mainly practicing with a random HB pencil I have

>had to move across the country (~13 hours) at the end of August
>just got my apartment in good order, furnished, and established a good routine of drawing frequently
>now I have to spend the next week or two focused on moving again, 7 hours this time

>>6862774
Step out of your comfort zone.

>>6862804
What the fuck am I looking at.

>>6861738

>>6862881
i agree it turned out badly, let me make a better one.

>>6862744
Do a few, then do the same without looking at the reference and see what you struggled with and on the next few put more focus on that, if you're not already doing this

>>6862881
>>6862886
bros have i accidentally made loomis piss easy or have i engaged schizo mode?

should i just stop with loomis? the more i think about it the more the method seems like crap.

>>6862900
ah i was just struggling with drawing the circle around the center. no wonder.
i forgot that the cube sides are of arbitrary size and not accurate.
how do i construct a 100% accurate cube in this perspective?

>>6862900
why do begs have such an obsession with vanishing points that they use them in every drawing?

>>6862917
i dont. i was doing this>>6862715 and then the idea popped into my head to use vanishing points to hopefully finally get the hang of loomis.

>>6862900
>>6862804
zoom out and draw bigger, you'll suffer trying to add any details

>>6862917
I'm a beg and I personally hate the tedium involved with them, so I don't. Figure eyeballing is enough for my purposes. However, I can see why a beg might get obsessive about it as they're trying to find ways to improve their art.

>>6862900
Schizo mode. Trust me been there done exactly what you're doing now, and it's not helpful when applied to something like the head.

>>6862917
pyw
show us what real art without vanishing points looks like

>>6862930
why is it not helpful?

>>6862932
I think the point is not that you shouldn't use perspective but drawing the vanishing points to each piece of your construction is excessive.

>>6862916
ok i found out how, i will get back to this in the evening and i will also read up on the reilly method because i think its much better for me than loomis

>>6862715
Day 1
More on the following posts

>>6862962
Circles

>>6862964
Fuck those are ribbons
These are circles

>>6862965
Ovals

>>6862967
Combined

Now what?
What do you mean by 1minute figures?

>>6862932
NTA, but using vanishing points to draw heads floating in the void seems excessive to me, I would save them for scenery. But I am a beg too, here's my warm-up sketch

I did this today so far, gonna do more, but my skills are definitely really quite poor still I can't seem to make shapes look 3D terribly well, probably because my lines are terrible...

Also I did a skull...which I didn't enjoy much because it's not what I want to draw, it's just a boring skull I drew from a reference.

Make me get up and do it today pretty please.
I've

>>6862975
Here also is a redo of something I drew yesterday...

It's still bad, but the anatomy and proportions are better.

>>6863017
Y'know I think I will skip Hogarth.

>>6863019
Please elaborate lol.

>>6862744
>I'm barely at the first quarter of the book
What book?

120 layer anon again [it's just a figure per layer!! not that fucked up] working through the first lesson of vilppu as suggested and definitely feeling the difference. thanks for the feedback, will be at this a while

>>6862975
skull on the right looks symbol drawn, maybe check keys for drawing if you're brand new to this. everybody's lines look like shit for a long time but you gotta embrace that until it works itself out and you start getting comfortable, keep your lines smooth and confident like on the box on the left and avoid hairy repeated lines like on the skull and you'll get there
>>6862884
very very good
>>6862774
fun style, mostly flat. keep focused on form for next steps, top left looks pretty alright but the girl next to her has some issues around the waist that could be resolved
>>6862744
ffffuck yeah

>>6863028
From what I've seen of his method on here it seems kinda stupid!

>>6863017
nice improvement, remember to keep the strong contrast of the hips

>>6863040
Hahahaha! Love that. I'll move onto something else next but I think it's both decent sleep and just...I dunno my brain putting things together better more than anything.

>>6863035
Perhaps. I am gonna try other methods now.

>>6863005
see>>6862715
its what made me do it

>>6863032
why did you give the nice lady so much fat

>>6863049
being nice can't save you from my fucked up lines. guess that means needing sharper curves, more s bends instead of c curves? plus the hip, which is way out

>>6861835
proko is a fucking joke desu, he can't even draw from imagination

>>6863047
i don't know how to do any of that.
I am a super beg. How do i do figures, hw do i render.
I can do the basic ass lines and objects but that just seems hella boring.

Do explain how to do one/two/etc minute figures though i am interested in hearing that out. Remember that i am a prebeg baby so explain it to me like i don't even know what a pencil is.

Didn’t draw yesterday and won’t draw today. Why bother? You assholes would just shit all over my work anyway since that’s all you ever do.
Oh, sorry, that’s what you idiots call “constructive criticism.” Which makes it clear you don’t know what either of those words mean.

>Didn’t draw yesterday and won’t draw today. Why bother? You assholes would just shit all over my work anyway since that’s all you ever do.
>Oh, sorry, that’s what you idiots call “constructive criticism.” Which makes it clear you don’t know what either of those words mean.

>>6863029
Bridgman - Complete Guide to Drawing from Life
Many anons want to copy it twice to improve. It's available for free in digital form.

>>6861675
wtf am i doing wrong here? krita 5.1.0
i know its ugly but thats not my problem here

>>6862655
da fuck

>>6863135
nothing changed after updating to 5.1.5 so any advice is welcome
should i just borrow photoshop from my friend?

>>6863032
holy fucking shit, 1000% better. Sorry for calling you ngmi. Vilppu really does work magic

>>6863151
odd mine looks as expected, can you replicate on a new canvas? also on 5.1.5

>>6863135
>>6863151
Has Paint layer 1 the full apple? If you can share the .kra file through catbox or something, I may check it on my host

files.catbox.moe/icuijg.kra

there you go

>>6863173
the apple is semitransparent

>>6863186
hmm idk what to do with it but thanks
ill find a solution

background color layer under apple did the trick, thanks once again

>>6863193
Yes, you have painted everything with the same black color, just adjusting the transparency. The clipping mask keeps transparency from the layers below, so the black pencil dick became invisible.
I suggest picking the right value from the color picker, it's weird to paint like this.

>>6862418
>chud drawing
>its beg garbage
every time

>>6863217
apple was painted with left tool, smudged with right
i did adjust transparency only on the darkest part of the lighter and merged it all

Is there no free android app for timed drawings with images from a selected folder?

I guess the simplest solution would be to make a simple website with this functionality and host it for myself to use with my phone, but I would've liked to just use a readymade solution if it existed. The gesture drawing practice app I found on the playstore has a monthly subscription for the main features and I don't like that

>>6863122
Having tried both digital and a physical copy I love having the physical. Incredibly worth the like 15$ it costs new.

I am not going to draw today. Going to go visit some friends tonight and been spending the day working on other hobby shit. If I draw tomorrow and over the weekend am I still ngmi?

Sup beg, i completed my art test. It isnt disaster but it isnt okay neither. Still better than proko.

>>6862854
materials matter but only a little. i recc using some ink like tool for practice: ball point pen, fineliner, marker, something like that
>>6862804
>>6862900
looks you are overengineering drawing circle/sphere to me
>>6862744
nice
>>6862727
kinda flat at places, shading not strong enough
>>6862707
thumbs up
>>6862677
stop drawing them facing away from camera. it is always better when actors face camera
>>6862547
gpen
>>6862445
>can't finish it
they said the same about perspective >:3

>>6863080
Read OP. Click links. Jump in. Have fun. :)
>>6861675

>>6863262
no, no, you can finish perspective. Whether you can finish environment design or car drawing is another question, but the rules of linear perspective is concrete

You should've used reference for the Kangaroo. The way Kim Jung Gi did it was by looking at the reference, putting it away, then drawing it from all angles. After doing that awhile, he would look at his references again and see where he was off. Then he'd put away the references all over again and draw the kangaroo from all angles. That way he memorized the forms and could produce it from imagination.

https://youtu.be/yx6dbybn-rk

Why is this shit so fuckin hard bros

Why are there days where drawing just feels off and nothing comes out right.

Why is it like this.

>>6863266
>Read OP. Click links. Jump in. Have fun. :)
I'll do it tomorrow cause its too late today. Will update you all once i do.

>>6863284
It's the eyes.

>>6862655
kek

>>6863284

It's like everything else in life. You can give your 100% to something every single day and you're still going to have ups and downs and stuff that just doesn't go right no matter how hard you try.

This one was surprisingly fast, 20 minutes or so. Hope that means I'm making some speed gains, though I caught myself copying a bit more to make up for the challenging perspective.
Made up for it by changing the hands. Also embiggened the boobs.

>>6863333
yeah that why you should do nothing, go on social and get drunk. The system is rigged so just chill out leech off and don't participate.

That's my plan at least

>>6862027
Took 6 hours to redo it from scratch, but I definitely made some improvements.

>>6863418
What's up with all the lines

did I do good, /ic/?

>>6863418
Start by messuring the frame next time.

Post your mario shrooms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUM1MXjsDvA

you noticed a large quality difference between those two?

>>6863455
these mushrooms are shit

Why is there such a focus on drawing humans?
>Does the practice put toward improving them grow your skills drawing objects, architecture?
>Is it because that's what makes money?
>Do the majority of professional artists draw humans?
>Is this a 4chan thing?
PS. As the beggest beg, should I practice most on my tablet, or on paper, if I intend mostly to use the tablet in the long run?

>>6863461
Yes, figure drawing will improve your furry smut, Believe it or not

>>6863461
humans are adapted to recognise other humans above all else. anyone skilled enough to surpass the uncanny valley and draw an appealing human figure is also easily in range of designing an appealing Anything Else. human figure embodies every aspect of gesture and shape and rendering and whatever the fuck else - you *should* learn it.

as for tablet vs paper you should try both and see what you prefer and learn fastest with. you can get covers for your tablet that give it a similar friction to paper if you go that way

>>6863032
what figure pack is this?

>>6863427
I'm following an exercise from the krenz videos stickied in /asg/.

>>6863493
Refrences/Figure Drawing Reference from the torrent. random collection of images, some good some bad. no idea where the specific reference comes from though

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>>6863524
ngmi

should I first go through all the vilppu video course chapters or should I copy bridgman first

There is no "Skill" you either have talent or you don't it's that easy. People that create beautiful songs were literally born with that skill and don't need to learn how to create a beautiful song.

>>6863262
something people also forget is that proko also tried a jack in the box in that stream

Does anyone have good recommendations for drawing the head?
Will Weston was off to a good start but his lectures barely touch on it as much as everything else when drawing the figure

>>6863533
My incredibly important take as a beg is I liked doing Marvel -> Bridgman, as David Finch reccomends.

>>6863544
No way that's proko's lol.

>>6863546
yeah once i have created my own method ill teach you. itll take a while so stay tuned. see>>6862944
>>6862900

Every single FUCKING lineart brush I download turns into this garbage when used on a big canvas. What the fuck do people use to draw good lines? There is no way it's the default pen.

>>6863565
it IS the default brush.
check out andrei surnov:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-ovLwbuPSmo
brushes are a stupid rabbit hole trap. i fell for it too but thankfully recovered.

>>6863578
For painting I understand that, but I'm talking about making lines with weight. The drawings I see have this kinda varying opacity lines that I can't replicate for shit.

>>6863557
its mine

day 74
hustle bones coming out my mouth
i wonder how i can make this look better

good news: seein figures when i close my eyes
bad news: the figures suck
still lots of weak points but slowly improving. have come to be very reliant on this "neck curve back -> lower ribcage -> top of thigh" flow, not sure if that's an anatomical constant or just a crutch.

>>6863284
definitely eyes, there should be a noticable shape difference between the left and right eye from the side due to protrusion of the nose. rightmost look almost copypasted, top-middle to the right is looking more solid though, keep at it
>>6863524
gmi go go go
>>6863628
nice nice, red looks a little bright to me compared to rest of shadow

>>6863643
>red looks a little bright to me compared to rest of shadow
i kinda wanted to push it, make it look like the red shadows are glowing eyesockets

Coom

>>6863262

>>6863262
why does it have an armadillo tail
honestly idk if this is better than proko

>>6863262
you know what's next pawell

I'm actually going to cave in and just grind boxes and do nothing else anymore. Everything I tried to improve isn't working. Loomis can't help me, Bridgman can't help me, Vilppu can't help me. It's over.

>>6863741
(you)

An artist's journey sure is perilous huh

>>6861675
How do I de-Michelin man her body and are there any good guides for milf bods? I like to draw thick women but it's hard for me to make them look human or at least like they're not melting

Turns out my head drawing isn't as rusty as I thought

Hitting my 1 month milestone since I began learning to draw, I wanted to put together a little collage of some of the stuff I did so I could show myself that I have been making some progress

wanted to share it because I know some people like seeing progress pics
been mostly focusing on doing studies and sometimes doing imagination pieces

>>6863857
Hey that's pretty good what was your program?

>>6863790
pixar

>>6863868
Not sure what you mean by program, I'm not on any sort of strict regiment

I basically just find something I want to study and then draw it, and then I'll sometimes do pieces from imagination but not that often

I guess my program is "just drawing"? idk i don't think too much about it, i just do like an hour or two a day after work

>>6863869
ecksdee

>>6861675
Drawabox says to not use digital when doing the lessons. Do I have to follow this?
Also says to do 50/50 work and play drawing
Also I know to stop at lesson 2 or 3, which is it?

>>6863888
Fuck drawabox, just do loomis. Thats all you need

>>6863888
he explains his reasoning here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egxv9dycg5Q
https://drawabox.com/lesson/0/4

you should stop after lesson 2, most people won't make it through the challenges though

>>6863035
>>6863017
Hogarth is not for begs.

Is that really possible for an extremly lean and muscled female butt to look like that?

>>6863913
learn about hue shifts in light and shadow

i feel like giving up on rendering, shit is too hard for me to comprehend

>>6863913
holy fucking garbage

>>6864007
Erm i updated it?

>>6864009
better start rendering apples like this guy >>6864005

>>6864009
holy fucking garbage

>>6864009
Anon please don't outline what's under the hair

>>6864007
>>6864013
pyw

>>6864023
too late, i flushed it down the toilet

>>6864025
damn...

Painted a knight waifu, gacha style

>>6864005
You can paint on a layer with ultra low opacity and try your way

>>6863456
Yes, left is stiffer.

>>6862715
This took me around an hour. It's good practice but it's probably too much for a "warmup".

>>6863262
I'm so glad to see I'm not the only one whose art gets retarded as soon as I don't have reference.
It gave me a shock when I realised all the anatomy I had been learning for over a year just didn't stick with me if I wasn't actively trying to copy it.

whats up fags

>>6864028
Amazing.

>>6864052
Let me guess, you draw less than 4 hours a day as well?
ngmi

>>6864083
As I'm currently jobless, I draw pretty much all day. My practice time will significantly diminish once I find work again.

the ruler tool in photoshop is kino, just realised i dont need to draw all these lines when i have the ruler tool. i mean i drew them up until now but i wont next time. sure is a work saver.

>>6863524

>>6863857
>Day 4
kek

>>6864028
can you show the sketch?

>>6864178
sure thing homedog, but I changed a lot of thingsfr from the sketch, trying to fix things, etc.

>>6864181
It what world is this a sketch.

>>6864028
>>6864181
a few things I've noticed
>her right ear just clipping through the hair
>the hair behind her neck is brighter and blends into the background
>chainmail is melty
>the bottom trim of the pauldron is as bright as the top despite being in the shadow
>missing finger on left hand
>bandage straps make no sense
>breastplate is warped
>she's stood on top of the water
>patchwork copy and paste background
overall its pretty good, I especially like how you did the lion head

>>6864199
actually the finger is still there, its just hidden. Not sure you mean by the breast plate, would have to see a redline that. The hair behind the hair being brighter is a stylistic choice I see in gacha games. I see the water as being more of a puddles and not that deep so I didnt see that as much of an issue.

>>6864226
ill also paint some moar flower variation and cut and remove of some of the white ones to make it a bit more natural..as for the bandage strap and ear, I can fix the ear to show the hair overlapping it a bit more but I still wanna show lil bit of both of her ears. The straps are supposed to be kinda placed with those tiny metal pins but Ill put a belt buckle or some shit so people dont complain about it

>>6864226
missing a finger

>>6864240
No, its behind the cross guard, look again. There's a sliver of it showing behind it.

>>6864242
>>6864242
new
>>6864242

>>6864028
get the fuck out of the beginner thread you are demoralizing me

>>>/vg/447875110
Artificial Academy 2 General /aa2g/ #1293
Ready to Serve Edition

Welcome, this general is for the discussion of ILLUSION's Artificial Academy 2.

COPY ERROR MESSAGES WITH CTRL+C, PASTE THEM WITH CTRL+V INTO GOOGLE TRANSLATE. JUST CLICK THE WINDOW AND PRESS CTRL + C, IT WORKS.

>Downloads:
/aa2g/ Pre-Installed Game, AA2Mini: https://tsukiyo.me/AAA/AA2MiniPPX.xml
AAUnlimited updates: https://github.com/aa2g/AA2Unlimited/releases

>Information:
AA2Mini Install Guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Ap6CrmSNXRsKG9jsIMqHYuHM3Cfs5qE5nX6iIgfzLlcWnmiwzmOrp27ytEMX03lFNRR7U5UXJalA/pub
General FAQ:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200216045726/https://pastebin.com/bhrA6iGx
AAU Guide and Resources (Modules, Tans, Props, Poses, and More):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qb1X0oOdMKU4OIDp8AfFdLtl5y_4jeOOQfPQ2F-PKQ/edit#gid=0

>Character Cards [Database], now with a list of every NonOC in the megas:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1niC6g-Xd2a2yaY98NBFdAXnURi4ly2-lKty69rkQbJ0/edit#gid=2085826690
https://db.bepis.moe/aa2/

>Mods & More:
Mods for AAU/AA2Mini (ppx format, the mediafire has everything):
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vwrmdohus4vhh/Mods
/aa2g/ Modding Reference Guide (Slot lists for Hair/Clothes/Faces, List Guides, and More):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gwmoVpKuSuF0PtEPLEB17eK_dexPaKU106ShZEpBLhg/edit#gid=1751233129
Booru: https://aau.booru.org

>HELP! I have a Nvidia card and my game crashes on startup!
Try the dgVoodoo option in the new win10fix settings.
Alternative: Update your AAU and see if it happens again. If so, disable win10fix, enable wined3d and software vertex processing.
>HELP! Required Windows 11 update broke things!
winkey+R -> ms-settings:developers -> Terminal=Windows Console Host

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>>>/vg/447875110
Artificial Academy 2 General /aa2g/ #1293
Ready to Serve Edition

Welcome, this general is for the discussion of ILLUSION's Artificial Academy 2.

COPY ERROR MESSAGES WITH CTRL+C, PASTE THEM WITH CTRL+V INTO GOOGLE TRANSLATE. JUST CLICK THE WINDOW AND PRESS CTRL + C, IT WORKS.

>Downloads:
/aa2g/ Pre-Installed Game, AA2Mini: https://tsukiyo.me/AAA/AA2MiniPPX.xml
AAUnlimited updates: https://github.com/aa2g/AA2Unlimited/releases

>Information:
AA2Mini Install Guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Ap6CrmSNXRsKG9jsIMqHYuHM3Cfs5qE5nX6iIgfzLlcWnmiwzmOrp27ytEMX03lFNRR7U5UXJalA/pub
General FAQ:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200216045726/https://pastebin.com/bhrA6iGx
AAU Guide and Resources (Modules, Tans, Props, Poses, and More):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qb1X0oOdMKU4OIDp8AfFdLtl5y_4jeOOQfPQ2F-PKQ/edit#gid=0

>Character Cards [Database], now with a list of every NonOC in the megas:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1niC6g-Xd2a2yaY98NBFdAXnURi4ly2-lKty69rkQbJ0/edit#gid=2085826690
https://db.bepis.moe/aa2/

>Mods & More:
Mods for AAU/AA2Mini (ppx format, the mediafire has everything):
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vwrmdohus4vhh/Mods
/aa2g/ Modding Reference Guide (Slot lists for Hair/Clothes/Faces, List Guides, and More):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gwmoVpKuSuF0PtEPLEB17eK_dexPaKU106ShZEpBLhg/edit#gid=1751233129
Booru: https://aau.booru.org

>HELP! I have a Nvidia card and my game crashes on startup!
Try the dgVoodoo option in the new win10fix settings.
Alternative: Update your AAU and see if it happens again. If so, disable win10fix, enable wined3d and software vertex processing.
>HELP! Required Windows 11 update broke things!
winkey+R -> ms-settings:developers -> Terminal=Windows Console Host

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Nigger spearchucker you woke up eh. Loli nigger this will be fun!