/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6862671
It's so over...

>Spending 1 hour autistically setting up the right 3d scene
>Ended up never actually finishing that drawing

it’s a lot faster to just draw the pose for me, sorry

>>6862671
>drawing
You aren't drawing, you're tracing and by the way, if you hate drawing, just quit.

>>6862780
>>6862798
>>6862802
I'm sure you're all cumming over your Japanese woman pose books. You guys aren't drawing, you're just copying!

>>6862811
>I'm sure you're all cumming over your Japanese woman pose books. You guys aren't drawing, you're just copying!
If god existed then you wouldn`t. Leave.

>>6862813
>"If god existed then you wouldn`t. Leave."
>Fedora Tip
He obviously didn't endow everyone with a girthy of a sense of humour as me, no need to feel so belittled. So cheer up fuckwit.

>>6862811
Not any of them but what makes you think somebody who doesn't see the need for 3D instead relies on photo poses?
I find it fair quicker to do quick and dirty sketches to get the pose I want instead of digging through refs or posing a model. In my opinion, artists should generally strive to be able to do this. To some degree photo ref, and to a much greater degree 3D posing, is a crutch -- something that can at least let you walk, but once you no longer need it it's nothing but a hindrance.

>>6862811
I use photo ref, but I exaggerate what i’m seeing into my style. A digital clay doll is finicky, does not do what I want, and is pointless.

>>6862834
Sounds like a skill issue

>>6862829
D U M B C L O W N

>>6862671
Design doll is still superior

>>6862802
>Erm akchuulakky

Kys.

>>6862813
Now you see, this entire comment is retarded. There's nothing to analyze here.

>>6862832
>>6862834
I mostly said it in jest, but I do see hypocrisy in their attitude. I'm sure they all draw on the computer, using brushes to make texture work easy, while using photo references open on a second monitor, while having a video tutorial open on a third monitor - Like where is the line drawn so that what you do is okay, but what others do is bad?
I'm more of a "whatever gets the job done" type of guy, if OP's work looks good then who cares if he uses a 3D model to get his perfect reference, or uses it as a starting spot for his sketch? I assume he has to change it up somewhat (just like with a reference).

This isn't an excuse for him to make shit work with it though - I've seen plenty of shitty drawings using 3D as well.

>>6862855
>Insults me
>Gets insulted back
>Whinges
F A G G O T

>>6862675
>>6862671

ok but share the boob 3d model

>>6862832
Just a passerby, but yes, to get stuff done without reference is most desirable. But until you can solidify your visual library, you need some refs. Be it from photos or 3D.

If you say you didn't need any/many of that maybe your construction method is very good in wich case i would like to ask you for book/video recommendation.

>>6862862
U Erm akchuulakky

>>6862872
No U, lamao reee

>>6862852
you were itching to use this phrase

>>6862903
I'm always itching to use it when applicable.

>>6862834
>I use photo ref
I can pose a 3d model faster than you can find a reference, and use it the same way you do a reference.

>>6862904
It’s too bad (you) can steal my patented phrases anymore.

>>6862923
can’t*

>>6862811
What he said was true though. I used to spend 30 minutes on DesignDoll getting the right pose and angle and when it's time to actually draw I realized that pose is shit and ended up adjusting it again and again instead of just get fucking started on drawing instead of getting the perfect 3D angle. It's a beginner's trap.

>>6862883
Content ID:2034607 by SoraruFox

>>6862671
If you needed any more proof that Celsys are filling up CSP with nonsense bloat, look at the ridiculous watermark feature.The 3d update is nice for those who use it, but overall the updates since 2.0 was released have been extremely underwhelming. You think they'd be more impressive after they introduced the update pass.

>>6862937
There were also some quality-of-life changes for the animation tools.
I got 2.0 mainly for the updated liquify and better lettering tools but I agree that the 2.0 updates have been slow and lacking in any meaningful changes. Pretty disappointing so far.

>>6862937
When I saw "2.2" update thinking it's a big update. Then all I see are just filler updates that's still not worth buying the update pass for. Simple mode still hasn't been on other mobile-based drawing apps level in terms of intuitive and QoL. No useful feature like Photoshop's content aware, color range selection, vanishing points, etc that'll make some effects in illustration easier to do.

>>6862937
Nah, the recent update that added a search function to the font menu was great.

>>6862671
just get blender...

>>6862936
Thanks anon very kind of you.

How long before they put in AI like they were going to before people bitched at them not to? Anything to actually avoid improving the engine

>>6862928
It was a problem for you, but if someone is happy using it, and using it well, is there a problem? I was taking issue with them immediately jumping to "3D Bad", in the same vain others jump to other conclusions (like "references are bad", etc).

>>6862897
lol ok.

>>6862928
>I used to
why would I care what you used to do, especially when it doesn't reflect my own experience at all?

>>6862671
>New updates
>More 3D slop
Paying money for this shit? You can find other free 3d posing app that's less jank and significantly more optimized.

>>6863016
you could use some pointers from someone more experienced to improve your shit art

>>6863068
To be fair csp is the only app I think that properly locks joints from moving. The other standalone phone apps don’t do this.

>>6863073
>he says while not posting his work and having never seen mine

>>6863089
>implying

>>6863107
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>6863110

uh huh yeah alright
so how’s your little project coming along?

>>6863114
better than yours

>>6863116
I bet, I bet.

>>6862986
3D is a crutch that stagnates and cripples you, you will never be able to imagine rotating shapes in your head. You can't picture the apple, you're just a glorified tracer

>>6863153
>You can't picture the apple
this is why I used 3d, because I'm completely incapable of picturing the apple. That's not an ability you can learn from nothing, it's one you're born with.

>>6863161
Faggot visualizing from imagination is a skill you can train. Bobby Chui literally teaches it. you are ngmi 3dtoddler. All 3d slop is vastly inferior to just learning how to draw, it's slower and stiffer than someone who put in the time to draw.

>>6862671
>not giving her giant balls

>>6863166
it's literally not. it's a skill you can improve upon assuming you have it to begin with, but you're basically telling someone without arms that they can bench press heavier weights if they keep trying.

>>6863212
Someone post that video of a Japanese man painting a digital illustration with only his mouth.

>>6863236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rar-EHAuQUM

i found it

>>6862671
>Still no multithreading
>Still no liquify on multiple layers
Why do these retarded chinks expend so much effort adding worthless /beg/ crutch features instead of trying to catch up to PS?

Now that you can link 3D Objects into any Body type, here's a penis for the male or female for futa


>https://files.catbox.moe/59dd0j.rar

>>6863239
>>6863236
this is relevant how?

>>6862671
>not struggling to actually improve
Point and laugh

>>6863263
https://voca.ro/1duN4GRdoKyR

>>6862671
I'm guessing this isn't for version 1 so I don't care

>>6863290
>I'm guessing a new feature isn't on a 6 month old version
your post was very good friend, thank you for sharing.

>>6863270
Autism

>>6863292
I'm not getting an always online subscription based piece of shit, fuck celsys jews

>>6863295
2.0 isn't always online nor is it subscription based.

>>6863270
I'm not listening to whatever retarded shit you recorded. armless nigger isn't relevant in any way to the discussion.

>>6863303
It is, you just have adhd.

>>6863310
show me the guy without arms doing bicep curls.

>>6863300
You need to connect to the internet to validate your license, you have to pay subscription to get updates.

>>6863321
you don't need a constant internet connection nor do you have to pay a subscription to have 2.0.

>>6863318

You’re basically telling someone without a mouth that they can draw if they keep trying. It’s literally not possible. It’s a skill you can improve upon assuming you have a mouth to begin with.

>>6863339
The discussion is about
>visualizing from imagination
not
>drawing

You can draw without the ability to conjure an apple and rotate it in your mind.

>>6862832
Using a 3D model for visual reference is better and more original because you're the one laying out the post, perspective, and composition, while with a photo, the artist/photographer has already done that for you. On the other hand, the anatomy is less accurate.

>>6863212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVbUc4z9IxY

>>6863153
I don't follow. If anything, being able to stage a pose then move the camera around it would help improve your ability to visualize the figure in your mind's eye. Not as much as being able to walk around a live model, no, but in the absence of that, a 3D model can help.
It's common knowledge that visualization ability relies heavily on your familiarity with a subject, typically achieved through observation and drawing study. The reason the apple is such a common reference point test for visualization skill is because most people are very familiar with apples - they've seen thousands of them, have handled them, have sliced them open, have compared different instances to see which one is preferable to eat. If you have good visualization skills, you have all the knowledge about an apple to create the mental visualization of an apple.
That said, sure, if you never put this skill to the test and ALWAYS just draw 1:1 from reference without forcing your brain to visualize the subjects you've studied, this visualization skill typically won't just improve all on its own.

>>6863366
10 seconds into the video and we're already at
>it's a skill you can improve upon assuming you have it to begin with

His video is about making a foggy shit image in your head clearer. Does nothing if you can't even see a foggy image.

>>6863371
Every human has the ability to see images in the clouds, that's literally all it is you retard. We're wired to see things in noise

>>6863380
this is assuming you can conjure up clouds/noise.

>>6863383
>Abloo abloo I can't throw random shit down on the page for my brain to fill in the gaps
3dsloppers are fucking pathetic

>>6863386
again, this conversation isn't anything at all to do with your ability to draw. Go ahead and do the coffee stain drawing exercise, it couldn't be any less fucking relevant to the topic. This is about one's ability to visualize things in their mind, which can't be trained if it doesn't exist to begin with.

>>6863388
Stop coping, you already moved the goalpost to say you cant make random noise. What a total faggot failure

>>6863401
>you can't train visualization if you don't have any ability to do it to begin with
>OH YEAH? LOOK AT HIM DRAW WITH NO ARMS! CHECKMATE!!!
>what? what does that have to do w-
>Bro lol this guy basically said if you don't have a mouth you can't draw
>Huh? what the fuck are you t-
>If you can see things in clouds you can train visualization!
>???
>checkmate nigger you moved the goalposts I win by default

Retard, you've been running all over the field with the goalpost while I keep trying to tell you to put it back where it was.

why are these trooniggers fighting each other instead of drawing?

>>6862671
3d models where cool when i was still learning how to draw. Now it's just waste of time. It's way faster to just sketch some bullshit and refine it. Even ai feels like a chore to now lol, 5-10 years ago it would be blessing.

>>6863405
YWNBAA

>>6862936

Thanks anon, works unexpectedly well

>>6863436
Imagine being so beg you can't even visualize bigger tits on a base

>>6863089
>He's actually excited for CSP's 3D tools update
Guess all the development budget goes to pleasing these kinds of people huh.

>>6863468
Imagine being this butt hurt over a 3D model

>drawing -> ai assist
>NO!!!
>drawing -> 3d manual -> 3d modular -> smart 3d assist -> ai 3d assist -> ai assist
>Nice!

>>6863689
what

>>6863153
I'm the Anon you replied to. I don't use 3D, I just don't see the point of whinging about others using it.
So I can see the apple, and it's rotating perfectly.
I'm also seeing your mum tonight, and she'll be rotating on this dick.

>>6863690
>Pajeets always have to derail everything into their AI slop
Why are AIniggers always like this?

>>6862671
If I could I would exterminate every single one of you, retarded 3D tracers. Fuck off my board

>>6863246
Multiple layer liquify has been there for a year now, retarded fuck

>>6863436
Jesus fuck, kill yourself please

>>6864515
found the /beg/ that traces the 3D dolls instead of using it as a reference as intended kek

>>6862802
you can do both and still enjoy drawing, bub
source: the majority of people doing this

>”Is using 3D models cheating????
>”Btw this video is sponsored by Clip Studio Paint :O :P”
>artist clearly has a toony style that has no need for the tool

every time the deceit

>>6864526
It's locked up behind Ver 2 (aka pay us more money for a product you already paid for)

>>6862671
>He doesn't have zbrush
2d bros playing pseudo 3d is peek cope.

>>6864657
>aka pay us more money for a product you already paid for
Companies have done that for decades, retard. Did you get this mad when you had to buy call of duty 4 after buy call of duty 3? Did you get upset when you had to pirate a license for cs6 after pirating a license for cs5?

>>6864713
I don't buy video game sequels unless they significantly improve from the original or provide an entirely different experience. The only CoD I played was MW2.

>>6864770
>purposely missing the point

>>6864774
How did I miss the point dumbshit? I exactly addressed the reason why I'm not willing to pay money for a new iteration of a product if it doesn't add something significant from what I already own. This can be software or video games or anything.

>>6863436
can you share it plz it not free

>>6864530
sure, after you.

>>6864708
I wish I have the time to learn/practice 3D sculpting. I want to lewd my OC's but in the 3rd dimension instead.

>>6862936
Thanks, fellow anon. Maybe I'll actually use the CSP models now that I have a reference for the tiddies.

>>6864708
ZBrush is the antithesis of what a good art program UX should be. I tried to make it work for me, but god is it just designed wrong on every single level.

I decided fuck it, I'm sticking to blender even if it's technically worse for sculpting, because at least it makes SOME sense from a UX standpoint, which is more than I can say about ZBrush

>>6865919
You'll be learning wrong, because that ain't how titties rest on a chest.