/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>Admit it, you are guilty of that as well.

>>6858821
That's why I just refine sketches instead of doing a new layer of lineart

Either improve lineweights to better match the sketch so the inked work can stand on its own, or add color. Some lineart styles do indeed look like shit without color.

Ink is pretty unsubtle/non-tonal. You have to work extra to get "effects." Use different ink tools like brush pen and marker, and play to the medium's strengths (rich darks and crisp edges).
Same applies to digital "ink."

>>6858821
Easy fix; just use a brush with a textured/airbrushed outline

Line weight can help, but it really depends if you want to do it that way
On the other hand, you don't HAVE to do lineart but just can clean up the sketch

>>6858821
Nobody is guilty of anything. You just misunderstand why this happens. Sketches are more loose and leave a lot of space to the viewer's imagination, including the author. This makes it so that your brain replaces the "missing" parts with what you find the most appealing.
As soon as you refine the sketch, you limit of completely remove the viewer's subjective interpretation.

>>6858821
Just clean the sketch and duplicate the layer to increase the opacity. If you’re sketching that clean to begin with you don’t need to ink. Not that you ever “need” to ink.

Personally I don’t think I’ve ever “done” a lineart. My sketches just kind of… are lineart.

>>6858837
Didn`t fixed shit.

>>6858841
and there we go

>>6858841
If anything it looks like sketch even more now.

>>6858821
>Admit it, you are guilty of that as well.
Speak for yourself!

>>6858907
Brush amd program?

>>6858837
I think it looks good, especially if you're gonna render it anyway.

Sketches will always look more dynamic than the finished work because our brains are wired to fill in the gaps/uncertain parts of the work. The trick is in trying to retain as much of the energy of the sketch as possible/find whatever it is that the brain finds interesting about an uncertain part of the drawing

>>6858821
No, you are just a looser

>>6858913
Skill and knowledge.

>>6858907
You shaded it and gave it eye highlights, that doesn't count

>>6858919
This

>>6858928
Boo you're no help

>>6858821

>>6858837
>Broken shitty thick lines everywhere
>The pencil sketch is cleaner
Kys

>>6858837
Are you retarded? The sketch still looks better

>>6858969
>>6858967
He is right about sketch clean up tho.

Skill issue m8

>>6858986
Now actually copy reference.

Why is no one pointing out the fact the sketch was clearly drawn with symmetry tools, making it soulless.

>>6858821
>what is contrast and line weight
Next thread.

>>6858821
ez

>>6858821
as a /beg/ i can confirm this means you don't know how to draw or do lineweight / suggestion / etc

>>6858913
CSP, mechanical pencil standard brush

>>6858935
You're allowed to use screentone, hatching and whiteout in your linework. Actually just do whatever, as long as it works for you. Your example is animation, they need clean lines. Illustration doesn't.

>>6858919
Correct.

Fuck it, any excuse to make me Ink something.

>waaahhh my sketch looks better!
then just post the sketch, damn!

>>6858918
>>6858967
>>6858969
How hard is it to grasp that it's supposed to just make an example of not using flat, untextured marker brush/pen to make line art but rather the hard round brush with soft outlines or any textured brush for that matter?
Or are you just going to keep shitposting hoping for a pyw?

i love thicc lines
fuck off

>>6859130
how hard is it to grasp that hard round looks like shit for lineart?

>>6858935
>This
>>6859023
>Correct.

I said it first
>>6858839
Fuck you.

>>6859134
Tell me you are either a beginner or just dumb without telling me you are either a beginner or just dumb.

>>6858935
now add line weight.

>>6859140
>b-but /ic/ told me hard round was THE brush!
>it HAS to be perfect!
sorry you got begtrapped with an unappealing way to make lineart.

>>6859145
You would make sense if I our roles were reversed, however that's not the case. You are the beg, while I'm not.
t. professional illustrator

inb4 pyw
right after you

>>6859148
you're the one making bold claims while posting this
>>6859130
>>6858837

>>6859145
>>6859148
Also, you aren't wrong about the fact that it's better to use more dynamic brushes, however your statement that "hard round looks like shit" for lineart is what a beglet would say.
It's first and foremost the artist's skill that make the difference, not the tools used.

>>6859151
I didn't post that.

>>6858928
based

>>6859154
okay, I'll rephrase it if it will calm your autism a little bit.
this >>6858837 usage of hardround for lineart looks like fucking shit.

>>6859130
Thick lines is for the /beg/ who can't into accuracy. Your posts just confirm it with that trash

>>6859160
I don't disagree with you anymore.

>>6859134
>>6859173
>being this desperate for drama
How hard is to grasp that any brush can do anything?

>>6858821
It just happens, especially when you're new to inking.

>>6859173
>Thick lines is for the /beg/ who can't into accuracy.
Wow, you've done it. The least intelligent /ic/ comment of 2023. 3 months left, I think you got this on lock.

>>6859238
idk, there have been some pretty fucking stupid things said here.

>>6859134
Skill issue

>>6859173
shut da fuck up goober

>>6859173
please sir might i have one (1) example of what you specifically mean by accuracy and can you explain it for a /beg/ like me to understand?

>>6858963
BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOG!

>>6859264
x.com

>>6858821
It's an interesting exercise.

>>6859173
boss please you still haven't explained
am i accurate if i draw thin lines?

>>6858821
naw anon, I gave up on doing lineart and now my sketch is always the lineart; fuck the lineart process I hate it with a passion so I'm just simply not doing it

>>6859238
But he's right, japs use thin lines to force you to be more accurate

>>6859264
inkpleb

>>6858935
The sketch also has some shading, and some differences from the line art (such as the sparkles), so I see no problem with deviating a little from the original.

>>6858829
Is the opposite true as well? Sometimes I like something I drew but then when I add color it becomes shit.

>>6858837
>you don't HAVE to do lineart but just can clean up the sketch
this is the most helpful thing a beg can learn and should be in the sticky.

>>6859518
>Taking advice from a beg
ngmi

when you add varied line weight, is it random or are you following some kind of rule?

>>6858837
Just clean the sketch, you dolt.

>>6859154
Oh ok, then lineart the sketch with the hard round brush. And don't vary the lineweight or opacity.

>>6859533
Least anon posted work instead of bitching and calling others beg

>>6859536
Usually, with line weight you can follow this

>>6859536
Thin where light hits more, thick where it hits less; Is a common way to to it.

>>6859536
What do you want to emphasize? Eyes, mouth, clothing folds, things in front of other things, footwear, weapons, hands, buttocks are common to emphasize. But you can also choose to emphasize the "wrong" things for expressive/comedic effect, the nose, ears, neck, teeth that kind of thing.
In a way you can't do it wrong, only poorly. Note what's emphasized here and not. Some of it has a simple understandable reason (the bowstring), other times it's probably just "feeling."

>>6859556
Snap!

>>6859562
There's lots of different approaches. Here expression is at maximum.

>>6859542
Why wouldn't I vary the lineweight (and opacity, even tho this is optional)?
You do realize that hrb doesn't mean you can't have pressure sensytivity for brush size, right?
Listen, if you are anything below an adv int, don't speak. Ever.

Tried my hand at the lineart. Nothing special but thought it remained faithful to the original.

>>6859576
that's pretty good bro

>>6859148
>im a profeshunal
>t. larper
pyw

>>6859585
Thanks man.

>>6859561
>>6859556
this billy herrington looking motherfucker is exactly how I learned to do line weighting
I love this drawing so much, makes my shit look awesome compared to the uniform thin lines I had before.

>>6859598
You might lack the skills, but at least you have balls.

>>6858821
it's fun to draw things that are not anime grills

>>6859625
truly you can tell my skill level from a sketch like that
obvious larp

>>6858821
can't do proper lineart ngmi san?

>>6859659
neither can you evidently

>>6858821
Do this retard https://homestuck.net/official/hussie-works/inking_tutorial.html

>>6859666
that's why I'm here

>>6859644
Not him but actually yes. And if you disagree, feel free to show something more enlightening.

>>6859697
well, you know what to do first not that anon anon

>>6859705
>everybody else should post their work but me!
Put up or shut up.

>>6859644
Of course I can. An experienced artist has confident strokes, unlike what you've shown here.

Phone doodle while watching TV, how'd I do?

>>6859713
all me btw
>>6859598
>>6859357
>>6859263
>>6859200
>>6859130
>>6858837
i
>>6859726
i dunno anon, i wanted you to prove your credibility but now i'm kind of doubting it myself
That is kind such a shallow statement given the shitty quality of the image itself.
Can you actually elaborate on how the strokes are not confident on that sketch?

>>6859732
hmm rather than put the hair texture evenly spaced through the whole thing, maybe pick a light side and dark side and put more hair texture indicators on the dark side, as well as line weight to support the idea of light

>>6859744
Sheeeeeeit, you right
I was going to thin out the lines on the light side of the hair but it's a lot of effort for a shitpost from a phone doodle with no pen pressure. Less hair texture on the light side is a good idea though.

>>6858821
I don't really sketch, I just draw what I want and clean up mistakes.

>>6859732

>>6858826
this, but I need to learn mangaka techniques for the some stroke approach

>>6859761
aight, what does that look like?

>>6859733
ENA?!?!

>>6858821
Nice one

alright I made some final edits

>love using varied lineweights
>proper usage is a great way to achieve pleasing results while avoiding full renders
>people know me for styles which generally use thin lines with very minimal variation
>going from rough sketch to these precise lines is hell and generally looks worse than the sketch

>>6858821
just erase some of fhe artifacts on the sketch and use that as the lineart. Hell if your sketch is that clean I'd just leave the artifacts for a more "human touch"

>Admit it, you are guilty of that as well.

>>6858821
looks like fred from courage the cowardly dog

>>6859509
you probably render like shit then

>>6858927
You are NOT epic for giving him le tired eyes

>>6858821
fuck line art

>>6859851

sketch -> render under it -> lines wherever needed

looks more organic and appealing this way. i feel like if i do proper lineart at the start my brain gets locked into some stupid digital gimmick illustration mode instead of painting properly

>>6859836
KEK

>>6859200
I agree that every brush can look good but youre not making a good example here, like wtf is that eye in the middle, like the definition of beg

>>6859173
50 IQ post

>>6859806
looks good king

>>6859851
>>6859859
kek'd hard

>>6859659
just use the sketch lines, the right one is terrible bruh

>>6859733
>i dunno anon, i wanted you to prove your credibility but now i'm kind of doubting it myself
I posted my art. Take it or leave it. I couldn't care less what a beginner thinks of my credibility.

>>6860065
>Can you actually elaborate on how the strokes are not confident on that sketch?
Sorry, I replied before reading this part.
Broken lines (without proper intent) that should be fully drawn from start to finish, inability to draw straight or parallel lines, no gesture present in the strokes, etc.
I can always tell when a simple sketch was drawn by an experienced artist unless they try to draw badly on puprose.

>>6859875
Just ignore the eye then?
>>6860093
>>6860065
Sir boss sir, that's not wrong per se, but can you please show me where the things you mention appear to be present if you got the time to post lengthy posts?
I'm a beg, so i don't see until you show me.
here's more of my work, professional artist boss sir please critique >>6859797

>>6860098
Dude you suck, nta btw.

>>6860107
bro just give me your approval bro
that's why we're here bro
bro wtf

>>6859250
i fucking hate eltingville club becoming popular with twitter trannies

>>6859151
PYW

>>6859576
GMI

>>6860098
I would honestly do that if you didn't try to sound so desperately ironical.

What's the point of learning to draw a clean lineart anymore? You only make your work looks more like an AI's

>>6860141
If you like drawing, and like the way clean line art looks, why care what retards think of your work?

>>6860141
lineart is one (of many) things AI does not do well

>>6860141
There's 2 big industries (comics & animation) where clean line work is desirable and "just cleaning the sketch :)" is has big downsides.

Let's not derail this thread for ai talk anymore. Enough said.

>>6860158
I think you got it backwards.

>>6859034
Either this or stop speding 20 hours to sketch only to make a shittier lineart in 2 hours.

>>6860138
I dunno anon, since you're the epic professional shouldn't that be so easy to do instead of trying to deflect for a third time acting like a pussy?

Just critique the shit, anon
whats wrong witchu?

>>6860172
Ai does """good""" rendering. That's it.

>>6860176
I'm not an epic professional. And I never tried to imply that.
I'm just a professional illustrator that is better at drawing than you, a beginner. It would be strange if it was any different, don't you think?
No, you aren't triggering me in the slightest. You are just coming across as very very salty.

>>6860141
Setting aside the AI part of your question, clean line art is often desirable for mechanical reproduction purposes. This is particularly true of animation and comics.
It's important to make a distinction between making a clean line work pass and inking. One is a goal, the other is a specific means. In fact, a good number of "inked" comics and manga are not inked at all. They may be scanned and cleaned up digitally, or in the pre-digital days, leveled and shrunk by a photocopier. To this day, I still see some manga pages on large format photocopy paper.

>>6859625
>completely blown out highlights on every possible surface
>meme tier understanding of color theory
Oh, you a professional alright.

>>6860325
>I'm just a professional illustrator
this
>>6859625
is you right?

>>6858963
>>6859006
>>6859026
>>6859626
As the official /ic/ tastemaker: I decree these as thread winners.

>>6860360
>no tyrone

>>6860325
>No, you aren't triggering me in the slightest.
Right back at you, buckaroo. I'm not here to measure dicks.
>You are just coming across as very very salty.
You got more of dem petty woman comments or are you going to point out my mistakes by at least redlining my sketch?
The time it took you to reply to me multiple times, you could at least done something instead of dragging it out.

I don't care if you want to suck your own dick and larp as a pro, but at least work my shaft and give me an actual critique instead of parroting words.

>>6858821
The sketch has variation in line width and the lineart does not. In addition, sketchy art carries ambiguity in areas where multiple lines mean to imply the same form; thick lineart can carry that same effect when used in the desired areas.

>>6860410
nta but why the fuck would he do anything for you when you're being an annoying faggot?
>bro the least you could do is just do shit for me for free
>why aren't you just giving me critique, huh? fucking fix my sketch bitch! piece of shit just do what I say idiot

like actually kill yourself holy shit

>>6858821
I tried, I decided that I hate inking digitally.

>>6860496
>wow ur annoying
>so im going to keep replying to you with petty comments and just parrot art critique
All he would need to do to shut me up is do actual critique.
I could also say the image he posted is high beg at best due to the wonky, not straight and cut off lines, has no understanding of colors and highlights, and might as well be ai generated for how the apparent professional trying to argue from authority rather comes off as a petty faggot trying to troll on the internet, when all he would need to do and could do easily, is just do the redline instead of keep replying to me with snark.
Even more weird that such a self-proclaimed high level would outright crab on others lower skilled than him.
>do shit for free
You keep replying to me for free.
A redline would take less time than that.

I'm a beg, you say this, i say this. i won't see until you actually show me.

>>6860525
>sketch
>sketch but darker

>>6860527
do you know what nta means?

>>6860531
damn
i forgot i oughta believe everything people say on the internet
my bad

>>6860535
nigga you're straight unhinged over nothing. just hide the thread and forget any of this ever happened.

good thread

>>6860540
Unhinged?
I want to talk about art on the art board and get critique to further understand the craft instead of playing twitter drama or dick measuring.

>>6860556

>>6858612

>>6860410
>Right back at you, buckaroo. I'm not here to measure dicks.
I wasn't trying to trigger you.
I just called out your statement about HRB, which then you retracted becaue it was worded poorly.
It's fine dude, I'm not battling a war or anything lol.

>>6860353
Correct.

>>6860577
I think you're either not reading properly, or not understanding.
I prompted you to post your work because the original anon wasn't going to risk it. I was trying to do you a favor by giving credibility to your post.
I'm not the anon you were disagreeing with, you big bad cuck.

>>6860581
I have no idea what you're referring to.
I replied to the initial anon that wants me to redline his stuff. I'm confused.

>>6860584
Jesus christ, anon
not me >>6859145
me >>6859598

>>6860584
also do the redline already
here a bigger version

>>6860581
Oh wait. You mean you didn't post this:
>>6859598
If you aren't this anon
>>6859134
then never mind. My bad.

>>6860588
We're on an anonymous board. If I call somebody out for their BS and you then reply to that sounding mad (calling me a liar), I will obviously think you are the same person.

>>6860591
I'm sorry but no. I have no intention in helping you out lol.

>>6860577
I was the anon that said that guy's example of using hrb was bad and asked if that was your work
I'm not this crazy dude who's attacking you and begging for critique (while still actively being antagonistic), I don't want to be associated with this weird guy
I just wanted to say your work is very appealing. It reminds me of something but I can't place what exactly

>>6860528
sometimes that's all you need

>>6860597
>sound mad
How the hell do you guys hear text?
>>6860599
>No redline
>spent this much time shitposting instead of redlining a simple sketch that he could magically tell my skill level on
I've been epicly trolled brothers

>>6860604
I simply cannot into anonymous boards. Too much of a boomer. Sorry anon.

>>6860608
>redline my work! If you're a pro, you'll redline it! redline it already, faggot! dumb cuck piece of shit loser redline my fucking artwork already!
absolutely no one will ever help you if you act like this, jesus christ

>>6860609
it's okay friend
unhingedanon is still going though which is quite remarkable.

>>6860614
No one will believe you're a pro either if you act like an effeminate schizoid that is trying to get out of posting a simple redline.

Bro, i just wanted to help you out and this is how you repay me.

>>6860608
>How the hell do you guys hear text?
You are so tiring.
I will rephrase. You seemed mad, because you went as far as to call me a liar.

>>6860624
How can you even remotely assume my mood or state of mind over text?
Aren't you projecting your own insecurities way too hard?

I don't assume what you're thinking, only that the way you post, circling around the topic and insulting instead of getting to the point kind of makes you a fag.
>ur tiring
I ain't putting a gun to your head forcing you to reply.

>>6860619
>heh, you're a billionaire? Prove it, give me a million dollars.
>hurry up bitch, transfer the money. Give me the money you cuck little schizo loser
>wow, guys this poser isn't even a billionaire I proved it because he's not giving me 1 mil when I asked
>larping as a billionaire, pathetic, give me my million already.

>>6860627
>Aren't you projecting your own insecurities way too hard?
Yes, you are probably correct. I conceede.

>>6860627
btw
>don't call me a liar
>expects to be instantly believed without doing anything but just posting some work and arguing from authority
arguing from authority is what retards do that can't prove anything
>>6860630
>a simple redline
>something a working pro should be able to pull out his ass
>is now the equivalent of a million dollars
but if you were a billionaire, you wouldn't need to prove it by giving someone a million dollar, you'd just need to show irredeemable proof you are one.
Showing that you indeed got big bucks is enough
>>6860636
You're welcome.

>>6860645
>you'd just need to show irredeemable proof you are one.
you mean like posting artwork? like this?
>>6859625
the thing that he already did?

This is you bugging the billionaire for a million dollars after he already show you his assets.

>>6860645
>>a simple redline
>>something a working pro should be able to pull out his ass
I don't disagree with you. The issue is not that I can't do it, even tho I would have to redraw the whole thing, as there are also anatomical issues, not just lineart related ones, I simply don't want to do it for somebody that calls me a liar.
Instead I posted an artwork of mine.

>>6860651
That doesn't confirm anything, given the absolute atrocious state of the board.
And given how he replied and dodged showing anything while grasping anything to further not to do anything of actual value, while further posting provocatory remarks instead of just finishing it by posting really anything; confirms that he's a shitter.
I mean, i don't care, he does this every single time he mentions he's a pro, then feigns ignorance and tries to play the victim.
>>6860654
>u call me a liar and i would have to redraw the whole thing
bro, the beg drawing ain't that complicated
take the anime girls and just fix the mistakes
How does it even take a beg to tell a pro this?
>anatomical issues
it's a head and few slimes
>but u call me a liar
then prove you aren't if you care so much?

>>6860654
Actually, anon, i'll make it even simpler to understand for your boomer brain
If you want to actually prove this anon wrong >>6859134
Posting a finished work or claiming to be a pro doesn't do crap. It does even less when you keep trying to convince you're telling the truth over the internet on an anonymous board.
It doesn't convince anyone.

I gave you an excuse to prove that you're right right here >>6859598
yet you're fucking this up

Just draw something
goddamn bro

>>6860670
>It doesn't convince anyone.
You aren't everybody. That other anon was convinced that I know what I'm talking about.

You probably think that's me samefagging, right?

>>6860645
okay but how did i freaking -hear- this meme?

>>6860670
>>6860660
bro just stop.

>>6860679
Retard.
People figure out when someone is full of shit once they stop and think.
Be glad it was an autist like me.
>you're probably thinking
bro just fucking stop with this shit

If you make a claim, post a work and then go on being a deflecting retard, you only screw yourself over and your credibility in the long run.
Which either tells that the work posted is not of the anon who posted it or that he's trolling.

I can do it since i'm a beg.
>inb3 nta
i dont care

>>6860692
>I dont care because I think I'm inherently right
I know anon.
Your ego makes you incapable of that.

>>6860688
we both know why

depression
>>6860690
bro i just want to bring happiness, passion and knowledge so that this board can finally heal
>>6860694
>more shitposting
bro, what do you even get out of that?
Just go do this shit on twitter
damn

>>6860692
>I dont care because I think I'm inherently right
I know anon.
Your ego makes you incapable of any self reflection.

>>6860698
Ego is for fags.

>>6860697
go draw.

>>6860702
Agreed.

>>6858821

>>6860119
same, it's the same thing with the bazinga show. Normalfags pretending they were always nerds
no you weren't you fucking faggot, if you were, you would had know about the eltingville club before

>>6859625
>flatland tumblrism
beg

>>6860802
PYW

I'm pretty sure anon mogs you and you won't.

>>6860802
Imagine thinking this is beg lmao.

PYW
I'm pretty sure you know anon mogs you so you won't.

>>6858821
Exact opposite. Idk how this is a problem for people who digitally. Seriously.

>>6860669
Did you use the symmetry ruler?

>>6861133
Imagine thinking its not beg lmao

>>6861133
People here have called a lot of professional art beg because they're completely brainless and don't draw. I stick by what I said before, if Michelangelo wasn't well known, people here would call his work bad.

>>6861180
yeh

>>6861184
>didn't post any work
As expected.

>>6859625
Why don’t you guys just paint over this if if it’s so bad? It honestly looks fun to paint over, lol. You retards are always talking shit and never do the #1 best thing to mog someone aka passive aggressive paint overs.

>>6861133
>don't post any work that has the pretty colors and rendering and flat highlights and hasn't the utmost anatomical perfection
>"this sucks ur beg and ur wrong"
>post better work
>"not ur work post sketches"
>other anon doesn't have to prove it's his actual work
damn, i almost wanted to post work to bait

>>6861214
finger on his right hand looks stupid, right leg looks broken, and shirt collar is really uncomfortable looking.
None of which are egregious enough errors to pretend it's bad art.

>>6861215
>>other anon doesn't have to prove it's his actual work
Weird isn't it? And when you probably pyw you're going to get called /beg/ and shit on anyway.
You will have to prove yourself multiple times while someone who claims to have posted work must be believed because no one would every post anyone else's work, right?

>>6858837
What brush is even that?

>>6860350
Not him but part of being a professional (a big part) is drawing things that aren't to your taste in ways that aren't to your taste. Criticizing the style doesn't really mean anything when it's entirely possible the style (especially when you get into the specifics like the amount and types of highlights) was dictated to him rather than being something he would like to draw.
This shit is why I'm not interested in working for anybody, because you don't get to decide what or how you draw.

>>6861224
You guys care about this shit way too much.

>>6861229
So why care if people call that /beg/ then and demand to pw?

>>6861228
It's so weird to find people here that understand this kind of stuff.
You pretty much nailed it. I wasn't too happy with the colors, but the client wanted this to be as saturated and highlighted as possible.
Also, this was just a mockup sketch.
I picked it because I prefer not to post actual finished stuff owned by others here.
Mostly because of this kind of shit -> >>6861214

>>6861232
No idea, I don't do that shit ever.

>>6861233
Yeah not everyone here is a clueless beginner. Just most.

>>6861228
so we're supposed to compare our shitty little doodles and practice sketches with something that was dictated, overseen and paid for by someone else and then not even allowed to say anything if we're getting shit on but god forbid we don't worship the professional and then we must be mad and obsessed and seething even if we talk about art on the art board while the professional goes around calling us shit nodraw crabs bro it's just for a client i had no say in this wtf bro pls don't call me a beg or what?
Seems like a troll to me.

>>6861240
haha but they're getting paid and ur not aren't you mad and seething, jelly even? arent you feeling epically trolled?

checkmate begshitter
kill yourself now

>>6861240
I don't get what you're so upset about

>>6861240
>so we're supposed to compare our shitty little doodles and practice sketches
Nobody asked you to post shitty little doodles. You decided to post them. They displayed unconfident line work, and that was pointed out.
You could have posted finished work, work that showed your skills. Instead you choose to piss your pants and cry about it.

>>6861240
>>6861247
In fact, you were asked to right here >>6859697, which you proceeded to ignore.

>>6861241
bro no wtf a professional who makes money?
broooo wtf i feel so trolled right now i might kms fr fr
bro next time someone say he better than me because he makes le epic money imma do it
>>6861244
bro he pro
literally made it bro
how can i even compete bro
bro like, who would even go on the internet and tell lies on a board for trolling and posting anime porn and constantly trying to play high school games about who has the biggest peepee broo
>>6861247
>stick bugged
fuuuuuuuuuck

>>6861240
>while the professional goes around calling us shit nodraw crabs
Can you please quote the part in this thread where I did that.
I just called a random anon out for saying that hard round brush is crap for lineart.

>>6861250
are you the guy that was begging for a redline?

>>6861251
You forgot your trip, Ducttape.

>>6861256
Nice deflection.

>>6861255
>bro u just have unconfident linework bro
>bro u just suck and are beg bro
>bro just post finished work bro
>haha no bro i don't have to prove anything else or show your how to fix shit because u call me a liar over the internet bro just trust me bro
I just want anyone to actually show me properly where my mistakes are
talk is cheap
posting random images and claiming shit on an anonymous board even more so

>>6861267
In what way would a redline help? You claimed that HRB sucks for line work, and when asked to post work you posted some not-very-good line work in what you now describe as a shitty little sketch. A redline has no bearing on the discussion. To tag on to what this guy >>6861257 is saying, all your posts are devolve into pure deflection. Like here >>6861250. Not a single rebuttal to any of the points raised, just deflection in the form of "hehe actually I'm being silly now XD" damage control.
If your problem is that we supposedly can't tell how good you "really" are at drawing, then post some work that we'll be able to tell from. If you're not willing to do that, then at least stop filling the thread with infantile responses.

>>6861267
>bro im right bro u just suck im a pro u must believe
>posts random image
>haha what now bro? u can't disagree with me and everything i say about you is magically correct because i say so
>no i don't have to simply take a pen and point out your mistakes in the true spirit of critique i just need to keep posting and cry that u call me a liar
This type of shit comes off the same as ai shitters larping as artist, posting their photoshop images and claiming to be master artist because they say so

its an obvious troll
>>6861270
>retard has already forgotten what happened not even a few hours ago even though he can scroll the thread and read
Again, you forgot your trip.
Just uncanny, man.

>>6861267
>he's STILL going
Dude it's been over 24 hours, let it go. You can't still be seething about this.

>>6861274
He's responding to himself now too.

>ask for a simple redline
>instead of ONE anon doing it
>have multiple anons trying to deflect and dodge actually drawing
>they call others begs while they do not draw
fool me once
shame on you
fool me twice
shame on you
fool me thrice
shame on you
fool me one more time
Guess shame on you
>>6861274
Seething? Bro i'm fucking fuming!
Literally melting like broooo i am so mad and seething people over the internet are calling me a beg and saying words they cannot even attempt to back up but keep insisting they are right
>is been 24 hours
24 hours and they still keep replying
we all enjoying this

>>6861201
>Comparing himself to Michelangelo
ISHYGDDT

>>6861318
>grasping at straws this hard
my fucking sides kek

>>6861228
This is just pure cope, you can tell it came from the the same /beg/ cloth that came out of his flat thick turd "ink" job he posted earlier.

>>6861318
what?
There was a thread like a week ago where some dude retardedly compared cutesexyrobutts to Michelangelo, and people were trying to say his work was /beg/ tier despite undeniably "making it". I said then that people here would have called Michelangelo a /beg/ if he wasn't well known just to show how fucking stupid no-draws are here.

>>6861214
Because it would take a complete redraw over this no perspective shitters 'pro' art.

Is it patience? Is it brush settings? Is it constantly going back and deleting? Is it my tablet?

Why the FUCK do my lines look so scabbily when I draw on this shit

>>6861380
you need a stabilization level that you feel comfortable with, a brush that you feel comfortable with and rotate the canvas in the way that feels most natural for your arm movement, for example, I usually use a stabilization of 20 in CSP to do lineart, I use a brush called "Mechanical" which is basically a marker type brush with a variation of opacity to feel comfortable and the way I feel more comfortable throwing lines is from my torso outwards, picrelated are some spacejin studies I did maybe they are not great but I have improved a lot in the last year due to these things I mentioned, patience is key in art.

>>6861390
Awoooga

>>6861390
Some people say you should get used to drawing with zero stabilization, but I think that's bad advice, given the surface you're drawing on often has limited or no friction. That's not natural at all, and the tablet is going to pick up on the slipperiness.
I use 20 on CSP myself, and it makes everything feel a lot comfier. Rotating the canvas to suit your arm's natural curve is also very good advice.

>>6859006
Sketch / sketch but thicker

>>6861380
inking isnt just tracing a sketch.
spend less time sketching, more time inking.
do a rough landmark sketch, enlarge it, zoom in and do all your fiddly fun with the inker.
that way you get to have all the spurious detail that arise when sketching, you get life in your lines and because you haven't spent 30 minutes sketching you're not gonna rush through the process.
getting all the detail in your sketch just means you're throwing away the majority of your effort.

>>6861390
Maybe I'm biased because you basically described my same approach, minus the stabilizers, which I don't like cause I prefer as litle lag as possible, but based on the art you posted I think you know what you are talking about and have mileage.
I think a lot of people underestimate the importance of rotating the canvas.

>>6861390
Maybe I'm biased because you basically described my same approach, minus the stabilizers, which I don't like cause I prefer as litle lag as possible, but based on the art you posted I think you know what you are talking about and have mileage.
I think a lot of people underestimate the importance of rotating the canvas.

>>6861390
Maybe I'm biased because you basically described my same approach, minus the stabilizers, which I don't like cause I prefer as litle lag as possible, but based on the art you posted I think you know what you are talking about and have mileage.
I think a lot of people underestimate the importance of rotating the canvas.

>>6858821
My sketch is in pen and I just do it right the first time

>>6861390
>>6861584
Good stuff. Any sauce?

roast me

>>6862382
Needs more weight

>>6858821
I essentially accidentally recreated the sketch side

>>6861390
>a stabilization of 20
So you're a pretender then.

>>6862450
Stop thinking with your ego and realize what you are using is just a tool.

>>6860119
>>6860784
bitch i was there for the fujo threads on /co/ don't try to step to me
hell i remember milk and cheese threads on /b/ FOH

>>6858837
This is not HRB

>>6862782
Of course it is.

>>6862825
Of course you are calm and reasonable person.

>>6862827
Of course you are ESL.

>>6862827
Instead of trying to be an ironic smartass, why don't you explain why you think that is not HRB?
Because of pressure sensitivity?

>>6862835
Hard round brain you have.

>>6862837
Its not hard.

>>6862838
Struck a nerve, huh?
I hope I didn't hurt your ESL feefees.

>>6862840
Of course it's hard. It has a hard edge.
Are you blind?

>>6861584
>I think a lot of people underestimate the importance of rotating the canvas.

How the hell else are you supposed to draw properly if you don't???

>>6858821
I've never used those "draw a square and two lines" to draw and having to erase lines seems tedious, so I'm just realizing I have always done lineart

>>6861584
how are his legs on the outside of hers while her thighs are on the outside of his waist?

>>6862759
Stabalizerfags are nothing on paper, but whatever helps you LARP

>>6863137
I'm >>6861390 here is my pencil and paper work, those are drawings I made 2 years ago, You know what your problem is? you will never be able to draw something decent with or without all the tools in the world and you know it and you feel so insignificant that you come to throw shit at people who do make an effort, you say brainless things that only people who have never drawn like "hurr durr Stabalizerfags are nothing on paper", I'll tell you one thing drawing on pencil and paper is 10000 times easier than drawing on tablet and you would know it if you were not a cretin who prefers to waste time posting on 4chan instead of drawing, digital and traditional are just different media and the skill is inherent in the medium in which you are drawing. now pyw or gtfo

>>6863137
>Stabalizerfags are nothing on paper
you don't need a stabilizer because both paper and graphite have a natural grit that has more friction than plastic on glass.

>>6863160
All modern tablets are textured giving you more grit, you don't have an excuse.

>>6863172
more grit than smooth glass is still less grit than graphite on paper.
Also shit like ipads still have smooth glass that rely on the user buying a matte screen protector that wears down in 2 months and feels like shit.
just stop talking.

>>6863172
the texture has nothing to do, the texture and the feeling of the tablet could be identical to the pencil and paper and it would be the same, the problem is how it recognizes where the pointer is at every moment and how it transmits the information to the canvas, that's why the lines come out all shaky even if you have the pulse of a surgeon, that's why the stabilizer was invented, retard

>>6863185
this, I can use a ruler on my ipad and the line is still ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>6863066
I see a ton of art streams where the artists don't rotate their canvases at all. And I don't mean the ones that have a separate canvas that doesn't move accordingly to the main one.

>>6863137
>whatever helps you LARP
Why are so many ic users paranoid lol?

>>6863172
>>6863175
0% stabilization with a straight edge vs 20% stabilization with the same straight edge

>>6859173
get fucked retard

>>6863204
what the fuck
what have i been doing all my life, i cant believe i didnt know this existed for the last 4 years

>>6863424
it's most apparent drawing diagonally, and gets worse the further away your pen is from the screen, ie: using a matte screen protector.

>>6863204
nothing worse than an unnaturally straight line

>>6863432
Your mom is an unnaturally straight line

>>6863432
there's nothing worse than your work not representing what you actually dew because of technological limitations.

>>6863437
Anon, the wavy shit IS what you actually drew. That's just how a line comes out on a relatively slick surface. Nobody draws pin-straight flawless lines even with a ruler. Stabilizer is a lie.

>>6863556
I mean, you're just wrong. There's not a lot else to say. This is an extremely well documented thing with tablets.

>>6863563
Look, fag, if you wanna use stabilizer and kill all the personality of your lines, go for it. I'm just saying it's not any more "accurate" to your actual, factual input onto the device.

>>6863569
I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up over this. this is all 0% stabilization with a straight edge.
Do you think that my hand just starts wobbling uncontrollably every time I draw a diagonal line?

>>6863586
like I said, this is
>extremely well documented

>>6863586
>>6863588
>a bunch of reddit /beg/s complaining about pad sensitivity means it's working "wrong"
You can test this right now. Set the stabilizer to 0 and make a quick slashing mark in the desired direction. It'll come out as a clean line, almost as if stabilizer had been applied.
The reason this NORMALLY doesn't happen is because your strokes are much slower than a slashing motion, and the tablet is correctly reading all your Parkinson's-tier inputs - because you're a human and not a robot. This isn't really an issue for artists who understand lines don't need to be literally flawless to make a good drawing, and that you won't be viewing every line at 500% zoom in 4k resolution.

>>6863629
so your explanation for this
>>6863586
>>6863588
is literally
>lol your hand just shakes in nearly a perfect cadence wobble but only on diagonals
that's what you're really going to go with? you're going to pretend that all the documented proof of this happening is a lie because... what, you have apple stock or something? you really want to be right on 4chan?

>>6863635
You keep using that word "documented," I'm not sure if you know what it means. Where's the Wacom white paper on the known "problem" of wavy lines?
In many ways digital tablet drawing is unnatural. But then, all drawing is in some sense unnatural. You adapt to the quirks of your medium, good and bad. And the medium is working as intended. Use whatever stabilizer setting is comfortable for you, just understand it isn't "fixing" a "problem," so much as offering a placebo.

>>6863640
>the medium is working as intended
oh, so now it's intentional that only diagonal lives are wavy, got it. The devs decided that it would be a better stylistic option to make some lines wavy just for cool points. you're such a fucking clown.

>>6863635
Also
>lol your hand just shakes in nearly a perfect cadence wobble but only on diagonals
yes, retard. Try drawing straight diagonals on real analog paper. It's hard as fuck. Most people simply re-orient the page in accord with their "dominant" stroking direction. Usually fairly straight.

>>6863646
you have to be trolling

>>6863650
Do you really not understand that the hand is capable of less dexterity in more sideways-oriented strokes? Are you really that dumb, that unaware of self? Are you just a caveman after all?

>>6863651
do you not understand what a straight edge is? Do you not understand that this problem persists no matter what orientation the tablet is in when you draw the line? Do you not understand that this has been a problem with tablets for decades?

>>6863655
What the fuck does a ruler have to do with your inability to naturally draw perfect lines? You're not getting it.
Obviously it "persists" when you change tablet orientation. Because it's your retarded ape hands causing the "problem."
Which isn't a problem by the way.

>>6863656
so yes, you are trolling. got it. done giving you (you)s.

>>6863657
Nigger, learn how to draw and this won't be a problem for you. Now get.

>>6863666
I feel like your line weight has no rhyme or reason

>>6863669
I kind of actually like it for that, I wish I could turn off the reasoning for my line weight like that
It has a kinda sketchy storybook effect

>>6863669
>I feel like your line weight has no rhyme or reason
you'd be right

>>6863688
it's quite appealing, prefer it to some of the more rhyme and reasoned line work itt.

>>6863658
What the fuck's wrong with you?

>>6863890
he's a delusional retard, presumably an Apple fanboy that gets personally offended when someone criticizes his beloved multibillion dollar brand.

>>6863894
I can tell.
The Apple pencil has a battery, so it cannot be an EMR tablet. It has to have thumbnail-sized precision at a hardware level. That wobble is exactly what every other AES or ntrig tablet looks like.

>>6859836
the permabeg battle that will go down for eternity

>>6858829
This is one area where I think manga excels. No one ever complains about manga being in black and white, not even ADD bingewatching brainrot and terminally clout chasing Americans. It's because the black and white style doesn't look like it's waiting for color. It looks like a deliberate choice. The artists know how to use negative space and shape language.
Want good stand alone lineart? Study more manga.

>>6863894
>>6863906
I don't even use Appleshit, I mentioned Wacom in my example, dumbasses

>>6864026
I mentioned Wacom twice, you just don't know that. You don't know shit.

>>6864060
lick my taint

>>6864061
My hand trembling just happens to line up with the touch sensor array. Even if I drew all of these lines with a straight edge against the screen.

>>6864074
And here's my old intuos for comparison. Same amount of stabilization (none), same brush settings and the same straight edge.

>>6863204
You can mitigate this by making faster strokes. It still sucks when you draw slowly though.

>>6863556
It's not about the line being straight, it's about the wobbliness of it.
No matter if your tablet has etched glass (I use a Cintiq Pro) for a rougher surface it's still very different from paper, which is a softer surface. On paper I can easily stop drawing mid stroke and the tip of my pencil won't move from its spot as long as I keep pressing down. On my tablet the surface is too hard and slippery to get the same result.

>>6863651
>Do you really not understand that the hand is capable of less dexterity in more sideways-oriented strokes?
I'm not sure I'm following you here. My most confident and accurate lines are usually diagonals that follow the motion of my elbow.
I have much more accuracy problems with straight vertical lines.
Btw, I don't use stabilizers because I really hate the lag they produce.
Also, I'm not a beginner and my strokes are fast in order to avoid wobbly lines, which tend to happen with slow strokes. Only on digital tho, this is not an issue I have with traditional mediums.

>>6863688
This. It has a nice traditional mediums quality to it. Happy accidents and stuff.

>>6864060
>ctrl+f
>wacom
>1/3
>2 of which are
>>6864026
>>6864060

>>6864233
AES and EMR are wacom's two tablet technologies, >>6864074 and >>6864091 respectively. People who don't know what they're talking about shouldn't fucking talk.

>>6860172
its true, even SDXL models are still shite at lineart
>t. AI chad