/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6853591
i cant copy Bridgman without jerking off first

Before you open Bridgman, you have to make a promise to yourself that I'm going to copy this whole book today. If you can copy Bridgman, you can do ANYTHING.

Copy all of Bridgman all the way every day. If you want success, that's how far you have to go. Nobody wants to do that, it's too scary, but I've got news for you, that's where winning is.

Bridgman legs are so ungodly powerful. However so many of his sketches either don't have arms or they cut off just past the shoulder. Very annoying because I feel like I understand legs pretty decent now, but I really do not understand arms at all. Hopefully I will understand them more as I get into the sections about specific body parts.

I like Bridgman but a lot of his drawings are gibberish and I'm convinced the /ic/ copy cult have found yet another way of drawing without drawing, if you follow my meaning

>>6853681
If you are referring to stuff like the draw a box people who think drawing hundreds or thousands of boxes will deliver them to salvation, I agree that's kinda stupid. I think Bridgman is at least more applicable towards people's end goals even if it isn't a complete method of getting better at drawing from life or imagination. Though I don't think anything you choose to study ever will be, because you still need to draw from life or imagination if that's what you want to improve in.

You've got to be obsessed. You've got to be willing to copy Bridgman every waking hour. You've got to copy Bridgman or die trying. Never take your foot off the gas. You've got to dedicate every single hour, every single week, every single year for many years, to copying Bridgman.

You need to quit your job, you need to live in a homeless shelter with nothing but a copy of Bridgman, loose printer paper, a pencil, and a dream. That's what it takes.

>>6853681
Genuinely what the fuck is this

>I'm tired, my hand hurts, it'a 3am, I've already copied this 10 times why am I doing this
That's what the normal mind says. You've got to start training your mind to figure out how to get through this. Dont give yourself a way out, create a wall in front of every way out, so your mind knows it can't escape from Bridgman. You've got to tell your mind that this is your new life. You wake up at 3am and you copy Bridgman. You need to retrain your mind to think differently when you're in hell

>>6853681
>Just Draw!!!
>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT !!!11!!11
You crabs are genuinely the worst.

>>6853759
"Just draw" is an invocation to stop overthinking, not to stop having thoughts altogether
If this seems like the thing to do to you, by all means, no one will stop you

>>6853681
>>6853735
Bridgman's drawings were draw really big with a piece of charcoal that was attached to a long stick so that everyone in the class could see the drawings. Copying them line for line is pointless if you don't try to understand the concepts that are illustrated.

>>6853825
The best approach I think is to be intentional and selective. You essentially need to be Bridgman's editor. Say you're focused on studying the leg, you want leg gains. Go through his book, pick all the non-scribbleshit leg drawings, and analyze (not copy) those drawings, applying the lessons learned to at least one imaginative drawing afterward.
How to analyze? Simplify, or distill, what Bridgman's doing down to its essence. See a long tendinous shape or a hooked bulging form? Exaggerate that, come up with your own abstractions in your own style. Separate the intentional marks from the inherent visual noise of imprecise chalk markings.

>>6853827
I'm about 50 pages into Bridgman and I think if you just go through drawing the book this should happen naturally. I definitely was just copying lines for quite a while but if you stick with it for long enough you should start to understand what he's trying to accomplish.

>>6853825
I've heard this too, but you can find some drawings online, and they're graphite on paper.

>>6853735
From what book and page is that image from?

>>6853735
The right side confuses me, especially everything from the hip bone up, just seems wonky. I find the left side fairly usable though.

>>6853920
Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life, 5th edition, page 45.

>>6853934
The neck fucked me up something fierce. I couldn't get it to make sense.

he found everything there was to find out about hands

>>6853944
The head's a little forward, like stretched forward from the neck. If you want to be generous about it. I wouldn't worry about stuff that isn't shown in Bridgman, best to focus on whatever he's emphasizing (back and overlapping ass and thighs in this case)

Has anyone on /ic/ copied (read: analyzed) it all from memory as well?

>>6853591
GOD BLESS

I will never understand the obsession with bridgeman loomis etc, the figures look ugly and incoherent.
Why not exert some effort and copy some 3d models on sketchfab or artist with good lookign anatomy isntead?

>>6854011
>ugly
The drawing doesn't need to be pretty as long as it can be learned from. Bridgman's drawings are instructional at their core, though I'm not a fan of Loomis. The reason people use them is because they're, by design, trying to teach you something. They simplify and exaggerated for educational purposes.
Generally you don't find this in finished work, which may be stylized in a way that eliminates useful information, or may have obfuscating tonal values, etc. This is before even getting into just how bad 99% of all drawings are from a technical standpoint, even accounting for personal style. A lot of stuff is just plain shit and the average normie can't see tell the difference from the truly exalted works.
In terms of actual artists, I'd study Federici, a bona fide anatomist

>>6854011
completely disagree. Bridgman's drawings are very beautiful. I guess some people's brains are just fried from long term porn addiction

>>6854011
The answer is very simple, in that the people who study Bridgman and Loomis enjoy their anatomy and style. What is an artist you enjoy studying? Not asking to hate or anything, just because I always enjoy checking out new sources.

>>6854028
Idk, I find Bridgeman to be this weird middle ground of gestural uncertainty and convoluted construction that sets you up for failure if you try to memorise it and draw from imagination, especially as a beginner.
I can definitely see the use of separation between ridgit froms and gestural lines to emphasise the difference between big masses of the body in order to get an idea or understand why certain things look the way they do, but as far as practice goes, trying to replicate the drawings (which the majority of the board tries to do) is very counterproductive.

As for finding information within others' finished work, I half agree and half disagree. I do also think that 99% of all drawings are very flawed, but it is worth noting that there is also a good portion of artists that are much better than Bridgeman in terms of anatomy alone. Xia Yu, Sangsoo Jeong, and k3_spaceybear are good examples of high-fidelity anatomy. The biggest difference is that, unlike Bridgeman, you have to put in the effort of breaking down their work and seeing what forms and short hands they use throughout their pieces.

>>6854034
:thumbs up: so long as you enjoy it.

>>6854076
I really like Rongzhen Luo's character design and k3_spaceybear's anatomical accuracy. QQjnr has really nice designs as well. Also, EO58's drawings are hella nice.
DESU, I was also asking because I doubt that everyone who studies Bridgeman or Loomis actually likes their work. I felt that they rather blindly trust that making a bunch of these studies will get them to draw like their favourite Pixiv or Twitter artist. not neccessarily attacking them for their bad taste.

>>6854213
I enjoy Bridgman personally. I think a lot of his drawings look simultaneously incredibly strong and limber in a way that appeals to me. However he does exaggerate in sometimes is very much not accurate even if it is effective in conveying certain attributes.

>>6853777
>"Just draw" is an invocation to stop overthinking
Sure, but if people want to draw Bridgman to do that, then why are you being such a big, nasty bitch about it? It can also have more than one meaning you retarded crab.

>>6854213
>Xia Yu, Sangsoo Jeong, and k3_spaceybear
Gookslop

>>6854837
god you are such a sensitive pussy

>>6853735
>>6853944
Bridgman's stuff isn't without mistakes (picrel). Neither is Loomis's. Unfortunately you need a bit of an 'eye' to determine what's a mistake and what's something you're not getting.

>>6853964
Yes, I've posted this pic here a few times, Bridgman really helped me out.

>>6854888
what's the mistake though

>>6854919
make a fist and look at it

>>6854919
probably the lil nugget thumb?

>>6854923
ok, now what?

>>6854932

>>6854924
MY THUMBS ARE NOT STUBBY
>>6854935
he's emphasizing the bones at the top though no?

>>6854935
kek

>>6854942
>>6854945
bros, it's an unattached pinky. Imagine what the hand would look like if it unfolded.

>>6854984
My pinky looks exactly like that from that angle. Are you a knucklet?

>>6854984
try the pose, the knucle of the pinky can come forward like in the drawing

>>6854989
>>6854987
I'm not going to knuckledox but guys, the line doesn't go all the way to the knuckle.

>>6853591
Which Bridgman book am I supposed to copy twice?

>>6855871
Complete Guide to Drawing from Life, 5th edition. Still in print and I think it's the most complete version.

You did good, anon. I've been here a long time. This is a good thread

>>6854890
nice progress anon
did you find hampton useful? and were there other artists you found helpful to copy? I'm on my first pass at bridgman

>>6855006
relax your pinky a tiny bit and observe the knuckle contour become one with your pinky. depending on the lighting, it will be a strong line like the bridgeman example.

>>6856449
Thanks! Yes, Hampton is a good introduction to a lot of the concepts that Bridgman is a bit opaque about, especially Hampton's video lectures.
Artists I also copy from are Yoh Yoshinari, the Morpho books, Loomis, TB Choi, Will Weston, anything on Pinterest that catches my eye, and various twitter coom artists.

>>6853633
cool, did you?

>>6853591
I'm about to start Bridgman. But why does everyone say that you should copy the whole book twice? Isn't one time enough? Am I being memed?

>>6856819
https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

This is David Finch's method for training his students. The second pass is a memory drawing pass.

>>6853825
And how the fuck am I supposed to deduce the "concept" from that clusterfuckery

You should never ask /ic/ for crits because they critique irrelevant things which normies will not even notice. case study >>6854984

is it really worth it if I commit mistakes while copying?
I try, but I'm really /beg/, and I started the head chapter and all my heads look weird and can't fix them
I try to see where my mistakes are, and I thing I learned a bit about legs and the body in general, but maybe this excercice is better suited for someone with more skill who can actually copy those drawings.
Am I wasting my time?

>>6857531
You will be better if you just copy bridgeman twice. Maybe not perfect but better. Now keep going.

>>6854890
What was your margin of error with copying Bridgman from memory? As in, how did you determine whether a copy from memory was okay enough to move on to the next plate?

>>6859783
I'd give it my best shot and then make corrections as needed. Occasionally I'd do a plate again if I really fucked it up, but only a few days after so it wasn't "cheating."

>>6859791
Thanks anon. Really impressive that you managed to do this and inspiring to see your progress. Godspeed

>>6854888
>>6854935
>>6854984
My fist looks almost exactly like that Bridgman drawing. I'm actually more in awe of Bridgman now than I was before.

>>6854935
you're retarded, it's perfect, it's a carbon copy of my own fist in that position.

>>6860159
>>6860235
knuckledox or cap

>>6854011
>Why not exert some effort and copy some 3d models on sketchfab or artist with good lookign anatomy isntead?
ngmi

>>6853621
lmao based coomer.

>>6863530
>based coomer
>b. coomer
>boomer
ew

>https://youtu.be/QNYZ_NsTc24?t=5
Copy Bridgman twice!

>>6854888
>>6854935
I would've referred to the mistake being the pinkie finger having no dip joint. The thing you circled could be a mistake but it could also just be chalked up to a slightly exaggerated knuckle.

>>6865553
Stan, by his own admission, never drew from imagination. He's an atelier guy through and through, terrible fit for calarts. Copying bridgman twice will take you around a year if you do a page per day, that's nothing. If you want to get into visdev and animation, do exercises for those, too. Stop making excuses not to draw.