/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6836379
FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF
you don't want help, you don't want answers, you want people to feel sorry for you while you cry in your pity.
Stop making these fucking threads

>>6836384
Does this

>>6836384
Look like

>>6836384
I'm not

>>6836379
Of course you are going to suck the first time you do things. But if you keep going, you take time to fix your errors and try again, you'll notice improvement. If you give up and stop you'll never stop sucking

You need to embrace the sucking. Not "I suck therefore I give up" or "I suck so why try harder". But "I suck, I know it, and I'm going to try hard until I stop sucking"

>>6836384
Does this look like I'm not fucking trying?
>>6836394
The difference for me is that I haven't even drawn an actual picture yet.

>>6836394
>You need to embrace the sucking
To be fair I've never sucked THAT badly.

>>6836379
>Am I legitimately just too retarded to be an artist?
You have negative talent. You can become an artist, but it will take longer than normal, especially if you're going to try doing it on your own, without a teacher.

>>6836398
>Does this look like I'm not fucking trying?
Yes. Your drawings are careless and rushed.

>>6836394
WARNING, THIS ANON IS A RETARDED EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE WHO WILL DEFLECT ALL ADVICE YOU GIVE AND FEAST ON YOUR PSYCHIC ENERGY BY DRAGGING YOU INTO POINTLESS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW PATHETIC HE IS. IGNORE THIS THREAD AND GO DRAW SOMETHING.

https://archived.moe/ic/thread/6816551/#6816551
https://archived.moe/ic/thread/6805631/#6805631
https://archived.moe/ic/thread/6797986/#6797986
https://archived.moe/ic/thread/6780914/#6782270
https://archived.moe/ic/thread/6780914/#6780914

>>6836402
Based, thanks for the warning anon!

>>6836401
>Your drawings look careless and rushed
How?

>>6836401
Okay, then how about this?

>>6836379
>Am I legitimately just too retarded to be an artist?
Yes

>>6836398
>Does this look like I'm not fucking trying?
Yes

>>6836416
Fuck off.

>>6836406
>>6836414
Google "How to Draw Freehand Straight Lines"

>>6836398
>I haven't even drawn an actual picture yet.
Then why are you crying for fuck's sake. Go draw a picture, realize it sucks, do it again, go copy an artist you like, fail, do it again.

That's how you learn, you have to stop fearing failing because you are gonna fail a lot doing this. Otherwise it's not the right hobby for you.

>>6836402
Yeah this is my last post itt I've got no time to waste with a schizophrenic

>>6836379
>>6836398
>>6836414
Unironically what you need is Brent Eviston.

>>6836438
It's not a fear of failing, it's called having a fucking condition called ADHD.

>>6836436
I'm drawing with my shoulders and elbows. This is the best I can do.

>>6836402
Oh please. I still haven't seen any actual advice here that works.

>>6836567
You were directed to try Eviston. Either try his course or continue to crab.

>>6836571
Who the fuck is Eviston and how do I try his course?

>>6836579
See >>6836450

>and how do I try his course?
https://www.brenteviston.com/offers/5ZqxRRWd/
https://www.skillshare.com/en/user/artandscienceofdrawing

>>6836379
>Legit suck at basic trig and can't understand how to construct heads and can't understand how it works
sounds like you need to brush up your integrals first

>>6836585
Okay and why? Who is this and why are they credible at all?

>>6836379
Yes, severely handicapped and also, drawing is just an endless grind. Unless you're prepared to autistically commit to it, you just won't get far.

>>6836594
I don't know anything about integrals. At all.

>>6836595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C49hpGjiCSE

>>6836597
I'm autistic, but my ADHD prevents me from doing it.

>>6836601
Okay and I still don't know why specifically him him out of literally any other guides.

>>6836609
Because he explains the methods clearly and simply enough that even a retard like you should be able to understand and get better.

>>6836402
That's fine, I get energy from mocking pathetic ngmi freaks like that loser.

>>6836516
Then you're resistant to advice that already helped hundreds of thousands artists world wide aka retarded.

>>6836414
>>>6836401 (You)
>Okay, then how about this?
Bro, you drew 2 squares. If you won't spend at least 4 hours trying to learn how to draw a straight line, then you're not really trying.

>>6836619
What other "advice" is there? I Googled exactly what was asked and that's what came up.
>Drew two squares
And a ton of other circles, lines and shapes and I'm already fucking tired and sore.

>>6836619
I've also done a ton of line practice already.

>>6836623
>What other "advice" is there?
Sigh. No anon. You don't skip and jump from one technique to another until it works. You pick one and grind it until it clicks.
>I'm already fucking tired and sore.
Then take a break and come back to it later.

>>6836626
Do any of these look straight to you?

>>6836630
What other techniques are there? You haven't told me a single one. The arm and elbow is literally what every fucking piece of advice tells me to do.

>>6836633
No. Why? I've also been practicing like in the OP picture.

>>6836637
>No. Why?
...when you're practicing drawing straight lines, you should try to make your lines straight, Anon. That's why. If they're not straight at all, then you're not practicing correctly.

Can someone screencap this shit, so I have something fun to post during our weekly "is talent real" threads? thanks

>>6836642
Then tell me what I need to do practice other than using my arm and shoulder?

>>6836379
>Actually reading the sticky
Already NGMI

>>6836651
>Then tell me what I need to do practice other than using my arm and shoulder?
Haven't you already watched dozens of youtube tutorials and demonstrations on this very subject?

>>6836652
I've read sticky and I'm doing just fine. Pyw crabbo.

>>6836653
No, just this one. Does it really take a dozen YouTube tutorials to do something as simple as a fucking line?

>>6836657
No sticky required
Balls in you're court, nigger

>>6836658
>Does it really take a dozen YouTube tutorials to do something as simple as a fucking line?
If you're below 80 IQ, then yeah, probably.

>>6836660
Are you out of responses already?

>>6836662
Well, it took me a while, but it's finally clear to me that you're not looking for help, but for cheap entertainment. So yeah, not gonna put in any actual effort into this thread.

>>6836665
Oh yes, please fuck off if you're not going to give any advice.

>>6836438
>do it again
You know all well it's impossible. Stop offering them trash advice.

>>6836466
Exactly. Executive dysfunction is the word. The main symptom of adhd. Brains are getting dopamine from thinking about going through the whole process, therefore having the end-of-the-process dopamine before you even begin. That makes it impossible to continue(and in consequence start) working on anything.

>>6836687
So am I just fucked and I can't do anything?

>>6836695
Stupid assumption. Go get meds. Stimulants will help you. Ask psychiatrist.

Methods of training yourself take both very long and will never get you as close to normal baseline as meds - stimulants.

>>6836701
I'm on a huge dosage of adderall every fucking day and it does nothing. Even a smaller dosage of adderall does nothing.

>>6836704
you made up your diagnosis
>nooo I was diagnosed when I was 3 even though it's not possible to get diagnosed that early!
so talk to your doctor about changing your dosage
>nooo I can't I can't see him for 6 months
so get a new doctor
>nooo I can't! I've tried other doctors
so kill yourself.

What do you get out of rehashing the exact same thread almost verbatim week after week? you refuse to do anything that will help. Just fuck off you absolute retard.

>>6836704
Tell your psychiatrist. They are supposed to let you try several types of meds because some simply don't work. All brains are different.
Don't ask 4chan for help with that. Ask your psychiatrist directly or find another one.

>>6836708
>kill yourself.
This.

>>6836710
>some simply don't work
I meant some simply don't work on particular people.
Like, you could be for some weird reason immune to certain type like some fraction of other people. It happens quite often and everyone has to find the right med AND dosage for them.

>>6836379
>>6836398
>>6836414
>>6836626
>>6836651
This is all akin to someone saying they're practicing piano by playing one note and then looking at their piano teacher.
Fuck off the internet, draw stuff you like and do some fundie studies when you feel like you've hit a wall with your drawings.

>>6836721
That's because you dumbasses are telling someone who claims to have adhd to draw circles and whatnot when that's literally the opposite of how adhd people learn to draw.

OP, give up until you have an idea brightly in your head, learn what you only think you see in your mind, draw it without care in the world only fueled by passion to see what it really looks like. Realize how your brain cheats by feeding you emotions instead of visions of an image. You will improve, you will eventually start looking up certain element of a drawing, like one time you'll focus on face shape or whatever in a drawing you make, but you're making a whole drawing that bears some fun to you. You will eventually get better both at drawing and setting up a "scene"/story or whatever creative element of your drawings is.

Personally, those practices that OP does have NEVER helped me because it's impossible for me to do a total of 4 or so hours of that kind of practice daily. I'm more likely to get hyperfocus at a certain idea and sit 12h a day 5 days in a row making a sequence of several drawings.(or program, game, story, etc., I do a lot of things, depends on that particular hyper)

>>6836728
I have autism as well which only makes it worse.

>>6836729
Nah it makes it better.
I'll admit I have no idea what autism is. Due to what I know it's like you're getting in on one thing for life and do only that.
If this is true you're much more eager to fall into hyperfocus over it than the rest of us. Or at least much more capable of withstanding that repetition and boredom.

Also you didn't even read the whole message. It took you 29 seconds to reply. You're either not OP or you're baiting me now.

>>6836732
I beat myself out of having hyperfixations and I'm trying to get them back. I'm reading over the rest of the message right now.

>>6836732
Eager was the wrong word here. I meant like it's more probably for you to ...

>>6836733
>I beat myself out of having hyperfixations and I'm trying to get them back.
You only making it harder for yourself. Those don't come when you want them and never for what you want them to do.
It has to come on it's own and it comes the best unexpectedly and when you're content with yourself.

>>6836728
>That's because you dumbasses are telling someone who claims to have adhd to draw circles and whatnot when that's literally the opposite of how adhd people learn to draw.
It's OP's responsibility to adapt advice that would work on normal people to his very specific needs.

You're the only dumbass here for expecting us to pander to your kind (or to know what exactly do you need in the first place).

Perhaps sticky should specify that it works best for normal, healthy people without brain damage.

>>6836379

>>6836745
You gnome have got me a nerve struck.
Think about it. The op does not know what to do about it. They tried as they were told. That's the nature of a question. If it worked for everyone you would have never had any questions on that board. All humane problems would be considered objectively solved decades ago. There would be no need for most 4chan boards to exist ever.
You're an imbecile to try and equalize them to the less potent yourself. People like you are why I'm a narcissist. You take being gifted for granted and when someone tries to works hard only to end up asking out of desperation you turn them down.
I do beat people down (with words) if they are the victim mentality idiots who refuse to drop it but all of you assume all threads are made by the same person and go out on them by default.

You call it brain damage, how ironic. Even more ironic is that you think you are completely right there.
You know nothing about brains.

>>6836766
OP's braindamaged and you're a braindamage sympathizer
don't care both of you should kill yourselves

>>6836766
didn't read, pyw
besides, if you were left handed, would you throw a hissy fit about companies producing right handed tools and how you can't use them? It's your problem if you can't use those great tools

>>6836770
How fitting of a monkey.
ADHD was never a brain damage. It can be a result of one but it's pretty rare.
>>6836784
I'm not OP.
I'm righthanded but I've trained myself lefthandedness by pure stubbornness, so I'm both now. However if I for example had no arm then... your comparison still doesn't hold. Nobody forbids asking questions if you're not aligned with majority of people just as nothing stands in the way of getting lefthanded scissors or whatever. Okay lets go off the arms. It still doesn't hold. I would ask what open market even has to do with open space internet forum but I know you would be trying to rationalize it. Those two things have nothing to do with each other.
OP has stated their problem clearly, and you're clearly not interested in helping. Ignore thread. It's not a reddit to downvote it or blame subreddit mods for letting people post relevant stuff.

But honestly I might think of making something like a weekly adhd thread just so one side could shut up about it being too often or filter it out and another would finally be able to get answers from interested people.(hell, even pedophiles have their cyclic thread somewhere on this board)

>>6836794
A lot of words to say what I only assume is nothing since I'm not reading all that shit.
Brain damaged ape

>>6836796
Then stop asking because it makes you worse than you imagine OP to be.

>>6836798
>stop asking
I haven't asked you anything.

>>6836800
>besides, if you were left handed

>people are STILL replying to this fucking retard who spams the same thread almost every day

>>6836806
They said the same about mine thread when I posted mine months ago.
You don't even try with your trolling anymore, are you?
Also a reason why I considered making a common thread for those. You'd have to only filter it out, because it does belong on the board.

You're looking for advice because you're tired of it, but remember that the only person that can help you (besides getting meds if possible) is you.
I'm fairly new to knowing of mine adhd, only half a year and I'm in my 20s for a few years. I think it's crucial to let adhd people grow up at least up to highschool age before starting any medication, only so they would have learnt what they really are and what they are lacking before they medicate.

I was obsessively observing myself, trying out everything I could to make it better. I have also refused to use anything people called a trick to get myself working. But back to the point, everything I do that affects my body failed except for one thing, that I have discovered pretty early on even before I knew what adhd is. Between 23:00 and 04:00 I was always able to finally do everything I decided to do, although with a drawback of being insanely tired, like short memory reaching only 3 seconds backwards. Well guess what I have recently found out, being tired this way is scientifically proven to provide rise in dopamine.

The other thing that helped me was mind practice, but I was doing it every day for past half a year. I was thinking intensely AND DRAWING CONCLUSIONS about how MY mind works, creating techniques and such to more easily have the brain let me do things. Eventually I've realized one of those was a reinvented meditation, and it worked to a degree. It helps only for between a moment and 2 hours while being very unattractive to my brain, making it very hard to even begin It's also pretty unreliable. Now I'm trying out something else I've invented for myself, that isn't really something I've heard of.

The point is, learn your mental states, learn your brain, learn what it does and does not do, and use it to effectively control, not trick, it.
It will be hard and slow, but if you can't depend on or have meds, you'll be forced to.
You will be stubborn and eventually you'll be able to just do things.

>>6836420
It's the truth though, you should just accept it and stop enshittening /ic/ with your terrible threads. You already know that you will never make it, and that you don't deserve to. You either have a birth defect or severe brain trauma that makes you fundamentally incompatible with art.

>>6836379
Art is for humans you stupid soulless golem.
Go lift boxes or mop floors.

>>6837060
I'm looking for advice, not empty posturing.

>>6837144
You already have advices. Look upwards. You either are not op or are ignoring everything said for the sake of your victim mentality.

lurking 4chan saps your gains

>>6836379

>>6837446
Holy shit this, every time I go through one of my 'lurk on /ic/' phases, my art output drops significantly. The amount of crabbing and ngmi attitude on display must have an affect. I really have to question why I keep coming back here

Bump. Maybe this time someone will try to actually help me.

>>6837973
>Not OP
Why you people larp as OP in these threads so much?

>>6836379
You clearly aren't interested in art, adhd may cause you to 'plan' hours in advance to draw but if you really enjoy it you will draw for hours ince you start, medicine only helps reduce the 'planing' phase.

>>6838124
There's something called ADHD.

>>6838153
There's something called reading too.

>>6837425
Where is the advice?

>>6836379
You don't have a soul, stop trying to pursue soulful matters and go be a laborer.

>>6841315
Stop trolling OP's thread.

>>6836414
You're drawing with your wrist
>>6836651
You're drawing too slow

>>6841916
My hand writing had never been good nor has my motor control with my hands.

Do drawabox line exercises before you draw for two weeks alongside exercises from 'marks drawing tutorials' on youtube.
You're afraid to try and are stubborn. Life is short OP. If you love art and want to get good at it you have one shot at it, read keys to drawing and do each and every assignment.
Relax. Take it in. Don't stress, its alright to fail. Dint be hard headed or no one can help you. Instead, apply your hard headedness towards your own negativity and doubt.
Do not think you know better, it helps to drop your ego and just try.

>>6836379
Legitimately kill yourself, you don't want to learn you don't want to draw you don't want anything, go learn how to make a knot it would be easier for faggots like you

>>6842785
Shut the fuck up retard.

So, OP. It's been 4 days. How much time have you spend actually drawing in this time? 30 minutes? An hour?

>>6843340
Zero. Because I can never get the energy, motivation or anything else. Same with everything I try doing.

>>6843344
Are you depressed op?

>>6843349
I don't know. All I know is I have ADHD which makes doing basic shit almost impossible.

So, I got a new dosage of adderall and I felt good for about 3 hours and then I realized I still wasn't doing anything and I felt depressed again. Even with this increased dosage, I have no motivation.

>>6843344
Well, just so you know, an average, neurotypical hobbyist, who enjoys drawing, would spend 8 hours drawing in this time, pushing out 2 hours a day. I'm having a really productive time as well, doing over 4 hours daily.

>>6843375
Have you considered talking to a therapist or a psychologist? If biochemistry of your brain is somewhat fixed with those new dosages, then maybe the problem isn't in wrong meds, but in your mental health, like other anon mentioned: you could be depressed.

>>6843390
I just did like 3 days ago and I described everything I'm feeling. What they did was increased my dosage of medicine. That's it. They told me to try it for a week and then email them. I'm not even patient enough at this point to wait for that.

>>6843352
>I have ADHD which makes doing basic shit almost impossible
There are many people with adhd who lead successful, productive and happy lives.

Where did you learn about what ADHD is and how it affects your life? Your parents could be misinformed if they were the ones to give you the talk.

>>6843395
>I just did like 3 days ago and I described everything I'm feeling. What they did was increased my dosage of medicine
There's a huge difference between psychiatrist (they have medical education so they try to solve problems with drug prescriptions) and a psychologists or a therapist (who had a different education and generally will try to solve problems with therapy, talking through this shit and analyzing them with you).

>>6843404
I got diagnosed when I was really young and with that diagnosis I went to a pediatrician who prescribed medicine. That's the story I've been told. Same thing with my autism diagnosis.

>>6843412
Well I have no insurance to go to a therapist right now and I don't want to use up all the money I've been saving to try and go to one.

>>6843390
Even when I'm hyped up, all I do is pace around the room, get bored and go back to looking at my phone. No actual drawing done and this is how it is with everything I ever do.

>>6843420
>go back to looking at my phone
yeet the phone
turn off the internet
eventually you'll start drawing out of boredom (or doing household chores, which isn't that bad of an outcome either)

>>6843424
And speaking of turning off the internet: I'm gonna do just that and go spend another 3 hours drawing :)

>>6843424
And then do what? All I want to do is stare at wall.

>>6843412
>>6843428
Everything I try doing looks so daunting and impossible. I tried learning Source Filmmaker as a teen and I gave up immediately because it looked too complicated. I tried learning how to make my own games in game maker, gave up immediately and never touched it. Even something like drawing just looks so complex and impossible. This is what it's like for everything I try doing.

I want to be able to become a visual artist so fucking badly and every time I think about how I'm unable to, it only makes me more and more depressed and frustrated.

>>6843420
>and go back to looking at my phone
How come you have no trouble having fun on your phone, but having fun with a pencil seems impossible?

>>6843458
Because my phone gives me instant stimulation and I actually know what I'm doing. This is why I got good at writing. But I want to get good at drawing. When I draw, I second guess myself at every step, I legitimately have no idea what I'm doing right or wrong, I have no idea how to draw anything beyond what the references on the page give me, I can't draw for myself, I can't think of anything creative. The same applies to me writing too, but the point is that art just looks too fucking complex for me and I'm trying to learn it anyway.

I'm posting here because it's already fairly negative so I thought it would be better than making a new thread. My issue is not that I get bored or lack understanding, but I struggle with how to connect pieces of information and relate them to my own art. I'm not a good learner even when I make an effort. I typically stop going through courses very early on because it feels unnecessary for what I want to create. I tried watching the introduction to Scott Eaton's digital anatomy course a bit ago because it's suggested sometimes for anatomy. I took notes and fully focus while I watch, but he's making life-accurate sculptures and learning names of muscles that I've never even considered playing a role in the body. It's daunting but more than that, I've never seen that play into the artists I like. When I look at artists I like, one says he didn't study anatomy but instead just broke down body parts into essential shapes.
I know I lack discipline, and not everything's fun, so recently I tried copying through morpho's section on torsos all the way through. I'd do 2-3 pages a day, then try to find a fitting image that had whatever he was teaching in it. Id draw it and construct it like that, then come back later and try to make it from imagination. What happened though was I couldn't even remember what the original image was even only ~40 minutes later. I don't know how to discover a learning method that works for me. I feel really stupid when I see these methods people are able to utilize.
I also think I get paralyzed by all these resources. I see people post things like, "just understand as best as you can, you aren't meant to grind out these exercises" but I forget what I learned very quickly if I do that. I have good productive days if I draw what I like, but it bothers me that I'm struggling to get through these very useful courses and it feels like giving up. I feel like I'm schizo rambling but it creates anguish for me and I draw near-daily.

>>6843481
>I second guess myself at every step, I legitimately have no idea what I'm doing right or wrong, I have no idea how to draw anything beyond what the references on the page give me, I can't draw for myself, I can't think of anything creative.
I'm probably autistic (never got an official diagnosis), and I often feel similarly.
What really helped me was picking a drawing course that tells you exactly what to do, what assignments you have to finish (like book Keys to Drawing, peter hans dynamic sketching). I don't worry if what I'm doing is good or wrong, I don't have to think what to do - I just do what the course says to do.

>>6844631
Which one did you do?

>>6845202
Both and more. Start with Keys to Drawing.

>>6842184
Hand writing is done from the wrist. I'm saying you should use your full arm for strokes of that length

>>6845202
>>6845463
So? How did it went? Did having explicit directions from that book help you out?

>>6847407
Still haven't been able to do it yet.

>>6844631
Yeah but I want to be able to make my own stuff instead of copying.

>>6836794
i will kill myself if i ever become this much of a faggot

if i can promise one thing, it's that

>>6847407
I still haven't tried drawing anything yet. Literally nothing.

>>6843395
So I'm feeling a little better now that I'm on a higher dosage, but I still can't focus on anything at all.

>>6848285
...are you trolling or just genuinely retarded? I really can't tell at this point

Have you considered that you're just lazy and blaming it on your ADHD?

>>6849314
ADHD is what's causing the laziness.

Your laziness isn't your fault, but it's still your responsibility.

>>6843628
It sounds like you already have a decent understanding of what you want to draw and how to draw it, you just feel like you're not following the same steps that most artists take. And that's fine. Like you said, a lot of artists don't even study anatomy and such to the same extent as someone as Loomis and still make it to the art goals they set for themselves. Do you want your drawings to be 2D greek statues? Then yeah keep grinding the life accurate stuff, but if you want to be the next 300k follower twitter artist then don't kill yourself over it. Something to think about.

>>6850203
Thank you, I'm trying hard to not overthink things and even if it ends up being inefficient at least I'm drawing and enjoying it. Hearing your post and reading this one >>6836728 help me to try and ignore so much of the noise that can make you question your own process.

>>6836602
your problem is people have let you use that as an excuse like you're a coddled child even into adult hood

>>6836379
loomis is a bore, too much words that feel pseud af

t. brainlet

>>6848918
Are you going to explain or continue empty posturing at me?

>>6836602
>ADHD
And that's fine, but without medication you're going to have to teach yourself some self discipline if you want to get over it.

>>6851360
Ah, you're genuinely retarded, gotcha.
If you bothered to actually check out courses I mentioned, you'd see that dynamic sketching is designed to teach how to draw from imagination.
Yes there is drawing from photos involved, but if you can't draw what you see in a photo, then how could you possibly draw what you see in your imagination?
Besides (and I'm surprised I have to explain that to you) those are courses for beginners, something to start your journey, not an end goal.
You're complaining about those courses not being advanced enough, when you struggle with basics. Drawing from imagination is more complex than drawing what you see.

>>6836379
Maybe if lines are too hard for you, just go on an art program, press the airbrush tool, and start painting

>>6851596
I'm not listening to your advice if all you're going to do is throw empty insults at me.

Kill yourself

>>6851402
I can't focus even with a huge amount of medicine. It's the case with everything including video games.

>>6851871
Where do you think you are?

>>6836402
>THIS ANON IS A RETARDED EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE WHO WILL DEFLECT ALL ADVICE YOU GIVE AND FEAST ON YOUR PSYCHIC ENERGY BY DRAGGING YOU INTO POINTLESS CONVERSATIONS

Case in point:
>>6836401
>Yes. Your drawings are careless and rushed.
>6836406
>How?
>>6836436
>Google "How to Draw Freehand Straight Lines"
>6836516
>I'm drawing with my shoulders and elbows. This is the best I can do.
>>6836619
>Then you're resistant to advice that already helped hundreds of thousands artists world wide aka retarded.
>6836623
>What other "advice" is there? I Googled exactly what was asked and that's what came up.
>>6836630
>Sigh. No anon. You don't skip and jump from one technique to another until it works. You pick one and grind it until it clicks.
>6836634
What other techniques are there? You haven't told me a single one. The arm and elbow is literally what every fucking piece of advice tells me to do.

Note how every single reply by this mentally ill idiot is designed to foist the burden of improving onto the other person. Also note how he always vacillates between begging for advice, then finding a way to disregard advice.
Whenever you give him advice, he will whine about how he can't do it.
If you follow up, explaining or challenging him, he will whine about how the explanation doesn't work for him.
If you give up, he will start whining again that there is no good advice.

Once again: stop giving him attention. He is mentally ill and has remade this same thread over and over again, because HE WANTS YOU TO ENGAGE IN HIS PITY PARTY. Stop wasting your time and responding to him.

Verification not required.

>>6853400
>always vacillates between begging for advice, then finding a way to disregard advice.
>Whenever you give him advice, he will whine about how he can't do it.
There is that one or more anons coming to these threads only to make it seem like op has a victim mentality but sometimes I question whether it really isn't OP.
ADHD does not equal victim mentality but that's what 4channers larp it as.
Honestly it's also just dumb to ask 4chan for help with adhd in the first place, which I have made a thread for once myself.
In the end, you're the only one that can help yourself and in perspective after visiting psych I'd say go and kill a part of yourself, delete everything that belonged to it on your computer and don't bring it back.

>>6853400
>Stop wasting your time and responding to him.
This.

>>6843344
Maybe art is not your thing or maybe you are trying too hard (which is unlikely but idk what's happening in your side though)
Ask yourself why and what you want to draw.
The 2d shape griding isn't worth it if you don't really try to draw smth figurative or that reminds something from real life.
I dont care if you are baiting, I hope this advice help anyone else who is actually invested to start drawing.

>>6855588
It's the same thing with video games or literally anything else I want to do. I can't get the energy.

Bump

>>6857261
What do you want? You already got tons of advice.

>>6857332
Where do I start with drawing? I have a ton of advice but I don't know where to start. This isn't counting the multitude of other problems I have.

>>6857366
>Where do I start with drawing?
Read sticky and fuck off.

>>6857461
Read it. And?

>>6857685
then draw fuck nuts

>>6855588
Then I might as well not be interested in anything because I can never do anything.

>>6843395
By the way, OP here. This higher dosage that I've gotten on still isn't working and I still can't bring myself to do anything.

>>6855588
I don't know how to get the motivation to do anything. Even when I do happen to try my hardest in doing something, it's always half as good or even just 2% as good as anybody else doing the same thing, because me being purely retarded and unable to learn or focus. Even when I try, nothing good happens. My entire body feels sore and I rest for the whole day. I've been working out for 2 years and lost 20 pounds as well.

So tell me, what the fuck should I do?

>>6853400
That's because I have fucking ADHD and can't learn for shit, and can't break down complicated tasks. My autism makes me visually over stimulated and unable to comprehend basic shit. This is the only thing I can actually see myself doing outside of writing. Is it really too big of an expectation to do literally anything other than sitting my room, jerk off and go to sleep? Is that too big of an expectation to set for myself? Especially after 6 years of wanting to do it and never having done it?

>>6843412
This is on top of a booster dosage I'm taking each day too. My mind and my body locks up and prevents me from actually doing anything. Usually either out of anxiety or my mind and my body simply just locking up and telling me "What the fucks the point"? And just making me look back at my phone again or just stimming and staring at a wall.

Legitimately NOTHING has worked. I felt better for a week and then nothing. This has gone back all the way since I was a teenager too. I had thyroid problems that got fixed, but this never got any better.

>>6843424
Block YouTube?
Then I'll scroll on Twitter
Block Twitter?
Then I'll go on discord
Block discord?
Then I'll just sit and stare at a wall doing nothing.
There's nothing that will make me more motivated to actually draw and be productive.

Talk to your tard wrangler. If what you said is even remotely true, you're either legitimately mentally retarded or a slightly less retarded dumbass kid who never tried and doesn't want to try. Either way stop shitting up here.

>>6859861
I am getting help and it's done fuck all.

>>6838124
That's because I legitimately don't know what to do. How the fuck do I start a drawing?

Quit bumping your own thread asshole. You already got 163 replies worth of advice. Just pick up a pencil and FUCKING DRAW.

>>6859703
First of all why you answered me so many times? Also I cannot or nobody at all here can provide you a solution.
You choose the worst place to ask for help. Idk your circunstances, but you have a problem, log out from your pc and look for help irl

>>6836384
fpbp. this faggot is annoying as he invades the beg general

>>6861355
If you didn't know, you can type "sage" (without quotation marks) onto the options tab right under name when posting, making it so your reply doesn't bump the thread to the top of the first page/catalogue. This way, you can reply to a thread and still have it slowly make its way to the last page where it will eventually disappear. This is especially important for slow boards such as /ic/ where threads don't fall off as frequently, leaving some to linger for weeks longer than they should.

Maybe ask on reddit? /ic/ for some reason isn't very nice to you.

>>6861386
Nta but I didn't know this, thank you anon

>>6861904
You'll learn more cool stuff here:
https://www.4chan.org/faq#what4chan

>>6861386
that hasnt worked for like 10 years anon

>>6861986
It's been working pretty well for me

>>6861986
kek

Still have no idea what to do. And can't bring myself to draw.

>>6863787
Fuck off to reddit you mouthbreather.

Bump

>>6860925
I still can't even pick up the pencil, let alone do basic trig, let alone do basic fucking math and integrals. I don't know geometry either.

>>6865829
>>6865937
It should be clear by now that 4chan can't help you.

>>6866099
Well I don't have any other outlets to turn to.

>>6866482
You can post on reddit and you've been told to before in this thread.

>>6866744
Reddit is an awful website that barely works.

>>6861164
I'm looking for help IRL and it's doing nothing.

>>6868813
The internet is also not helping, correct?

>>6868818
I am at my wits end and am looking for literally anything.

>>6868824
Seek answers in your dreams.

>>6868829
I'm not looking for any pseudo scientific, pseudo intellectual quasi garbage. I want actual advice.

>>6868831
Art is a subset of your main problem. You can't glue on a sawed off branch if the entire tree is missing.

Have you tried going for a walk OP? :)

>>6868832
More pseudo intellectualizing garbage. I want you to give me actual advice that works.

>>6868839
I believe in you OP

>>6868839
Art is a subset of your main problem. You can't glue on a sawed off branch if the entire tree is missing. Your art can't be helped if you don't change first. This is not a board for life advice. This is an art board.

>>6868845
You argued with me that my post wasn't art related. What I need help with is art related. Therefore it is an art related post

>>6868852
Your problem is not art related. To help you with your art your larger problem needs to be fixed first. This is not a board to fix larger problems.

>>6868855
You argued with me that my post wasn't art related. What I need help with is art related. Therefore it is an art related post.

I don't know who's more insane, the OP creating these threads and shitting up generals or the idiots replying to him hoping that this time it will be different

>>6868862
Your at problem is a subset of your main problem.

>>6868868
The subset involves art.

>>6868872
To fix the subset you need to fix the main set.

>>6868866
Hey, I finished a drawing today and now I'm allowed to enjoy myself with some nice circular arguing.

>>6868874
The main set is not going to be fixed anytime soon if ever. So I might as well focus on the subset.

this is a board for art, not motivation to exist.

>>6868883
The subset depends on your entire set of systems. If the main system is dysfunctional, then so is your ability to do art.

>>6868890
How about you stop with this circular quasi, pseudo intellctual gibberish and offer actual advice for me to help me improve on my artwork and get motivated to do it? Is that seriously so hard? Or are you an AI that's designed to send these responses back infinitely? Either way, it's pretty annoying.

>>6868898
Here's an advice: Fix your inability to function. if you function correctly you will be able to learn art. Unfortunately, this is not a board to fix dysfunction.

>>6868898
A little dose of cocaine should fix that

>>6868900
That's not happening. So, art related help?

>>6868919
Art abilities are governed by your abilities to do basically anything. If you don't fix you, you're not fixing your art. Help is not possible.

>>6868924
There are people with ADHD problems that are not medicated that are making artwork. Surely, there must be some advice that you could give me, correct?

>>6868928
Is depression part of your symptoms?

>>6868930
I don't know. I was never diagnosed with it.

>>6868932
Get it checked. Depression makes it impossible for the brain to form certain types of longterm memories. Those memories are needed to retain any art gains. With depression you can draw for all your years but never see improvement. Sounds familiar?

>>6868942
I haven't drawn at all.

>>6868947
If you haven't drawn, then we can't help you.

>>6868949
I meant in a while. I've only been doing a few small things here and there. There are tons of artists with depression that can draw just fine

>>6868953
What are some examples of those artists?

You suck OP

>>6868955
A ton of them throughout all of history?

>>6868953
>There are tons of artists with depression that can draw just fine
Not really. 99.99% of them draw only once a year.

>>6868958
They don't exist. They say they feel sad but this is not depression.

>>6868962
Why should I take advice from you if you're going to deny reality?

>>6868963
Don't take my advice. Take the advice of those artists throughout history.

Hey OP, in one of the threads you have told that the only thing you're good at is writing. You got me curious, please let me see your writings.
In return, I am going to give you the ultimate advice that will magically fix you.

Turns out all he really was was being very tired and therefore overly critical of himsel. :)

>>6836626
>15 lines
>a ton of line practice
BAAAHAHAHAHAHAA what a fucking retard. You've gotta do thousands upon thousands of lines, each one mindfully not scribbling, and that's just to draw a line.

>>6868442
hmm yes, 4chan surely is a better alternative!

Bump

I thought maybe it's a phenotype issue, have any of you ever seen an artist who looks like me?
Sorry for the blurry photo. My hands are so shaky, it's hard to take a photo right
Am I legitimately not of an artist phenotype?
Being an artist is all I dream for, is it really impossible to become an artist for me?
Please tell me there are artists who look like me

>>6871649
Can the jannies ban this tard before he makes a bigger fool of himself?

>>6871649
made for bbc

>>6871649
holly hell

>>6871649
Put down the goyslop kid and do a fucking situp

>>6836379
I used to be like you until I started drawing. Faggot.

>>6871918
Okay, how did you start?

>>6871928
I was listening to music and then a cool idea popped so I drew it and then it all went smoothly.
You can also get yourself involved on an art community or event that forces you to draw. That way you would regain the will and imagination to draw.
This is my own experience though.

bump

>>6873691
Why?

Legitimately tried an exercise today and my entire upper body hurts and my hand hurts. Didn't finish it either.

>>6874572
Why do you want to draw? You seem physically miserable whenever you try. I'm not trying to crab you, rather I'm curious of what motivates you despite the anxiety this activity causes you.

>>6875044
I just want to make stories in a visual medium. That's the reason why I got into writing, it was because I thought I couldn't learn to draw. I also want to make things to entertain myself.

My whole body hurting is what happens with everything I try doing. Even just something as simple as sitting in my computer chair and gaming. My back is messed up and so is my posture. Even typing this out feels exhausting.

>>6875709
I saw the selfie you posted. You're the poster-child for the Pillsbury Basedgoy. You have the body of an obese 12 year old, stretched out to fit a 25 year old's frame. Exercise more and put down the fork.

>>6875762
That wasn't me. That was a troll trying to shit up my thread.

>>6875709
You're such a whiny bitch spamming these shitty threads every day. Even if you did learn to draw, which you never will, your art would be shit, your stories are probably shit too, a reflection of your useless, shit self.

>>6836384
>>6836416
>>6837071
>>6841450
>>6875818
>OP sincerely asks for advice
>thread gets flooded with crabs trying to demotivate him
every single time

>>6875846
Stfu bitch. OP is a faggot and doesn't listen to advice.

>>6875846
We gave him good, heartfelt advice the first few dozen threads, he never listens, externalizes all his problems, and uses /ic/ as his personal blog.

If you guys don't want this guy to continue shitting up the board, do the needful and rep*rt him for spam. Or don't, he can be the resident /ic/ lolcow I guess. Also sage thread so it doesn't bump. Read the rules if you don't know how.

>>6875044
To be honest, a lot causes me anxiety. I've built up a lot of negative association with a lot activities, even playing video games. I don't know if all of this is anxiety, but it's a big factor.

>>6876009
have you tried killing yourself?

>>6836379
Since you're incapable of taking advice from us, listen to reddit instead. It's where you belong anyways.

>>6836379
I dunno I just draw funny little dudes and enjoy it, you might just have a skill issue.

>>6875709
hire an artist or use an ai. You don't like drawing and there is no workaround, fatty

>>6876938
Based

>>6877054
I want to be able to like drawing and hyper focus on it.

>>6877788
Then go draw freely like a child without worrying about wobbly lines and all the bullshit
>but how??
freely, like a child
>but the result will be bad!
wrong mindset
>but muh ahdtv
play family guy funny moments as the background and draw
>I'd rather be staring at the wall all day!
deconstruct the house so there is no more walls to stare at

>>6836379
what are you doing here? shouldn't you be drawing?

>>6880734
>>6877827
Still can't do it. No matter what dosage of adderall I take its just not enough.

>>6880796
keep taking more

>>6881120
And then what?

>>6882948
Until you overdose and die retard

>>6836687
>>6836695
art adhd works the opposite for me, because making a finished drawing is a pretty long process, and you'll probably think what youre drawing through the progress is shit, so I cant anticipate the dopamine from the finished piece and have no motivation to work on it, compared to games or something where theres immediate dopamine rewards everywhere.

>>6836379

>>6836402
Sigh another vulnerability narcissist. Thank you, fir the warning anon.

You dumb assholes need to learn how to sage

>>6887366
um, no, then i have to find this idiot's new post and hide it again
better to bump and hide

>>6836398
>Does this look like I'm not fucking trying?
anon...

Finally got a better dosage of adderall and am feeling much better, but I'm still having trouble drawing.

>>6836728
>>6836710
>>6836708
okay im not as big of a gay retard as OP, i've been drawing for years but ADHD does fuck with my practice and I would like to work a lot harder at art than I do
I've cycled through all the meds and all of them just give me anxiety or don't do anything, so they didn't work for me
Is there any helpful adhd specific drawing advice?