/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

Current Contests:

Kyoto internationals Creator Awards:
https://medibang.com/contest/kyoto-manga2023/

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma19-overflowing-tears-silent-manga-audition/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

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>>6834745
Is this font too distracting compared to something like Comic Sans?

>>6834962
Test it out on a page. With fonts it's hard to tell what looks good until you put it into practice.
Though personally looking at that I'm skeptical.

>>6835160
loving your black and white work

>>6834962
Unless if you’re going for a specific font, CC wild words is a better general font than comicsans.

I just really fucking love this page

>>6835637
why? face sizes and head size change drastically when the mask is taken off. bane in particular is not the same person mask off. its pathetic. you can tell he loaded 3d images too.

>>6835640
>the size of the head changes when you take something off your head
That is true.

>>6835640
Because the panel is zooming out.

what are people's thoughts on narrators?
anyone use a narrator for their manga?
is your narrator a character?
do you use your narrator to conveniently dump exposition you can't be bothered to write properly?

>>6835718
Depends heavily on the story and the character. Light hearted narrators tend to work best in my opinion

How many of you are actually learning Japanese to publish in Japan, and how many of you aren't?

>>6835160
"Good work, anon, it looks amazing

If I were to learn Japanese and be in Japan, would it be possible to submit my work to a magazine or do it online? Or is it impossible as a Gaijin? want to publish my comic, but there are really no platforms that accept seinen demographic comics, only generic shonen or romantic comics. I've been talking to a friend about it, but he says that manga companies usually can't provide work visas.

>>6835796
If by "seinen" you mean gratuitous nudity/violence, then there absolutely are platforms that accept them. Not popular platforms mind you, but a lack of popularity for such works is why many platforms focus on all-ages works. If you just mean a work aimed at adult men, then just trim the explicit shit and keep the themes the same. You hardly need sex and drugs and violence and swearing to tell a story that appeals to adults.
Yes, if you speak japanese and can 持ち込み without issue then you won't be held to any other standard than everyone else trying to have a career in manga is. It's intensely difficult even for natives.
No, you're extremely unlikely to get a visa through manga because 1. publishers are NOT your employer, they just publish your work, and they have no incentive to pay for you to be physically present in the company -- it's simply not their problem. And 2. manga is generally not viewed as a stable career. Even quite successful authors don't feel secure in their future employment -- just because they managed to make one popular series does not mean they will achieve such a feat a second time. Notice how few authors willingly let a successful series go? It ain't just the publisher motivating that.
There's nothing really stopping you from sending work to any publisher you can find, but you'll be on your own. It's not like there's a whole lot of documentation of this process, you'll have to test the waters yourself.

>>6835785
I'm learning passively by reading, though I'm not actively studying. I have spoken with an editor for an eromanga publisher -- he essentially told me to find a publisher who I can have meetings with in english, but he told me that if I can't find any then as long as I bring them something workable they'll try working with me. So I'm currently storyboarding something to send in. This'll be the third time now, lol. If this doesn't work out then I think I'll just go back to commission work.
I don't think I'll ever actively pursue japanese, though I might be tempted to practice enough to get by in an editor meeting. I've really only been applying to japanese publishers because there's a lack of an equivalent elsewhere.

>>6835718
My first chapter had an omnipotent narrator and having one can be a valuable storytelling tool if used properly.

Just finished watching pic related and I'm asking, can comically bad writing be entertaining in it's own right if it's just fun to read or watch? Valvrave was the most "super trash but fun to watch" thing I've ever seen in general and I just want to try making an one shot to see if I can beat it regarding absurd content, ideas and execution.

>>6835640
Yes, superheroes' and villains' costumes aren't realistic, I'm glad you noticed.

>>6835887
Are there really no American publishers who publish in a manga style?

>>6836974
There are, but not for eromanga (which I'm choosing to do here because it's essentially a quick buck -- don't need to build an audience or write a whole story to get paid). Eromanga mags have to compete with their authors going self-published, which unlike here is actual competition since people in japan actually buy manga, even porno manga. Thus they need to pay their authors well to keep them around, and plenty of them are open to first-timers to keep the content flowing.
This is just my opinion, but it doesn't seem like the american publishers who specialize in manga-style original works do very well at all. Maybe it's a branding issue, maybe it's a quality issue, maybe it's a logistics issue, either way you don't really see or hear about any even minor hits in the OEL scene.

>>6835884
My manga isn't violent, but it's essentially about a student who becomes a crime news photographer to make some extra money. It's more like a thriller. I've tried to censor it as much as possible, but I can't do too much without losing the original point. So, I've been in a bit of a tight spot since all the platforms where you can monetize your comic are family-friendly, or the manga websites that accept foreigners mainly focus on shonen or romance.

While researching, I came across Monthly Big Comic Spirits magazine, and it seemed like the perfect fit for my work. I'm in the process of learning Japanese and exploring the possibility of submitting my comic there, but I was worried about being automatically rejected just for being a Gaijin.

Thanks for your advice anon I will try to remember them and try to improve my work as much as possible.

>>6837188
Aw man that sounds cool I wish I could read it

>>6837188
From what I've experienced so far, the publishers aren't at all opposed to the idea of working with foreigners. After all, they're ultimately seeking hits and a foreign perspective can help a series stand out from the crowd. What they'll be concerned with are whether or not they CAN work with you, not whether or not they WANT to. Can you meet the deadlines, and can you communicate and be communicated with (both on the page and off it) and so on. So don't be afraid to try it out, it's not you only get one shot.
Best of luck with your series, it sounds interesting.

creepy old hag.

>>6834962
Not a fan of that overlap. Kinda distracting.

>>6836830
Try writing parody. Maybe do purposefully bad translations, like Ghost Story.

>>6836974
Antarctic Press. I think Viz prints their originals, too. There’s obscure ones that publish and distribute Japanese manga, but will also do submissions on their websites. Twitter works great in discovering some of these companies.

>>6836998
Some American publishers who license and distribute Japanese manga look for homegrown talent to branch off to since the distribution aspect is fiercely competitive. I don’t know who can publish ero OELs, but it can’t hurt to email or check out English publishers of hentai/eromanga just to ask if they take submissions. But I wouldn’t yet until you have enough content to fill a full-sized book.

>>6835160

>>6838097
This looks awesome. Can I read this somewhere?

>>6838390
https://voidtenants.thecomicseries.com/

>>6838591
Wow, a comic hasn't held my attention like that in a long time. This is really awesome stuff. You're not taking anything for granted here, every bit of the page is being used to set the mood. And the subject is so raw and intriguing.

I would love to watch your process. I've done comics somewhat similarly, but I think you're getting a better effect from the style. I really feel inspired to start a new project now!

>>6838591
I love your surealist art

Man, The impact on the face is hard. I'm not too happy with it still/. I think the hand looks good but I need to shade the dude getting punched face too so the guy punching doesn't look like a kokujin.

>>6838713
wow, thanks!
I would love to read your comics as well, if that pic is yours I'm very intrigued.

as for my process, it's mostly just drawings and ideas from my sketchbook that I try to make a "story" out of, I think it's a mess personally but this has been a huge learning experience for me that I'll carry over to the next project.

>>6838981
Here, I don't have them up anywhere. https://www.mediafire.com/file/4rc7jc9gjh6p39o/KAMIX.zip/file

It's just silly comics done for an OCT, specifically the Goku tournament, where everyone makes slavishly copied ridiculous fan characters. I haven't done much more than that.

>>6838591
Man I'm only on chapter two but your art is so fucking scary and I love it lol.

Art style practice
Originally for something else

just 2 more pages to finish the first 6/12

At what point are you done with brainstorming plot and characters and shit and just start drawing
I'm terrified of plot holes or not telling/showing something when I should have, or thinking too far ahead

>>6839942
Brainstorm using drawings, if you can. Sometimes I'll have an idea for a scene and just draw it, without anything around it. Draw whenever you can.

how do you come up with an anime hairstyle that looks outrageous but still appealing?

>>6840194
Pull inspiration from unusual sources ie not just other anime characters/humans. Experiment.

>>6839942
once your plot is finished, thumbnail the pages, and design the characters and environment.

Do short stories so you're not overwhelmed with designing and entire webcomic series

>>6838735
Your panel reminded me of the punches from Baki. Did you use them as a reference?
If not, then you should. Baki has dozens of punches like the one you're drawing.

>Man, The impact on the face is hard. I'm not too happy with it still
Maybe you could bury the first even more in the face and do that eyelid flying that Baki does.

>>6839992
That's a good idea. I'll try that

>>6840203
Yeah I've got my designs and general plot, I guess I was more worried about properly presenting it. Should I do short stories within the same world/story

>>6840375
Just ask yourself the question if you'd be grateful to have your comic exist even in a less-practiced art style. I love going back and looking at my older work, even though I was a worse artist, just because I like my ideas and execution.

All of the great webcomics have an evolving art style anyway. That's part of the fun, watching the artist grow.

Commission comic of Chie getting beaten by client's OC

>>6840210
Yeah I used Hanayama punching the Sumo guy he fought as a reference as well as Uvogin from HxH punching the leach dude.
I thought about doing the fist more imbedded but the line work got confusing for me.

>>6834745
I made this illustration in a manga/doujin style using screentones
I want to make a few comic pages but my frames and panels are weak
I'm downloading the op links to see if they help me

hey can anyone help me figure out what screentoning was used for this, like the hair, clothes, shadows, shading, etc. i just cant get it to match like pic on clip studio paint, is it a custom tone or what am i missing.

>>6841825
They slapped down a value, airbrushed it to create soft edges then converted the layer to tone. Dunno what values, doesn't really matter cos you can do it with any. Background of the first panel is either a premade tone or again just something they airbrushed then converted to tone.

>>6841869
>They slapped down a value, airbrushed it to create soft edges then converted the layer to tone.
Thank you so much, anon

>spend hours trying to fixing the pose of the right hand
>realize that i had drawn a left hand all along

>>6841077
No bullshit study Kishimoto and Toriyama paneling they're very basic but convey dynamic energy pretty well for how basic they are.
But there is a flow for entire pages in general, your aim should be to make the panels (and the scene within them) guide the reader's eyes across the page.
(pic related 1/3)

>>6841077
>>6842269
2/3

>>6841077
>>6842272
3/3

>>6842260
>tfw trace hands to save time when deadlines approach

>>6842269
thanks brother, that's helpful

>27 of 54
>i finally hit half of the draft
And to think that i wanted to finish this in july

>>6842279
as long as its not obvious it's traced, it dont matter

>have ~100 storyboarded pages that'll probably never see the light of day
>read them
>they're good
Fuck.

>>6843926
wish this was me

>>6843926
post some of em?
it would be cool to see more wips or incomplete pages, I like seeing the progression of pages like >>6839935
I would post some of my own storyboards, but even my finished pages lower the average thread quality too far

>>6844010
Post it anon, those pages you are seeing is my latest work. When I started posting here my first work was a total mess

>>6844010
Okay.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zexgfixB8KqA1jjpImovbq25j-jr_Fhp/view?usp=drive_link
It's porn btw, and of course read L<-R. I'd re-export it double-page style but I think I might have reused the canvases so it would take more time than I want to commit right now.

This is the 1st version of an idea I had for a work to send in to a publisher, drawn in early 2022. It had an element to its premise that I wound up thinking was dumb, so I ended up redoing pretty much the whole thing to alter the premise to create a 2nd version. I'm nearing completion of the storyboard to a completely different idea right now, and I'm feeling pretty confident in it, so I went back to look at older stuff to compare for fun. Reading the first version of this 2022 work had me genuinely laugh out loud a couple of times (pic related), so while I didn't feel very good about it at the time I see now that I was just being negative. It's not the first time I've looked at older work and seen the positive qualities more clearly than when I was making it.
I might even come back to this and ink it for fun in the future, I dunno.

>>6844010
Okay.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1J3zdoZwhDmHtwzQZJt_DaOamtnEuVGZl?usp=drive_link
It's porn btw, and of course read L<-R. I'd re-export it double-page style but I think I might have reused the canvases so it would take more time than I want to commit right now.

This is the 1st version of an idea I had for a work to send in to a publisher, drawn in early 2022. It had an element to its premise that I wound up thinking was dumb, so I ended up redoing pretty much the whole thing to alter the premise to create a 2nd version. I'm nearing completion of the storyboard to a completely different idea right now, and I'm feeling pretty confident in it, so I went back to look at older stuff to compare for fun. Reading the first version of this 2022 work had me genuinely laugh out loud a couple of times (pic related), so while I didn't feel very good about it at the time I see now that I was just being negative. It's not the first time I've looked at older work and seen the positive qualities more clearly than when I was making it.
I might even come back to this and ink it for fun in the future, I dunno.

>>6844050
repostin cos I fucked up the link

>>6844051
Dude you are halfway through it keep going. Complete one page and you will feel better to do the rest

>>6844087
Huh? That's not even close to halfway in terms of the work required to finish it off. It took me about a week to draw that storyboard and it would take me a couple of months to ink it.
In any case I don't need encouragement to finish it, lol. I am and have been making and finishing other stuff since just fine. I was just surprised to find how much I liked it upon revisiting it after almost 2 years.

>>6844023
I will eventually. I got about 1.8 pages of drafts, gonna try and get to 8 before I post anything
starting to look like a 50-60 page deal though, intimidating to think about when my longest finished comic to date was 10 pages
>>6844051
not my type of hentai but damn that is good
I get that feeling about being overly negative, I wish it was easier to have a clean view of something while you're still working on it

>>6840194
80's hairstyles

>>6839402
I liked it a lot anon, your style and sense of humour is really good, felt like it was operating on 90s cartoon logic, think Ren and Stimpy.

>>6844786
Thanks! That's definitely the intention. Most of the influences and references are 90s, and as a character El Darko is supposed to represent the lost, cynical 90s protagonist, like Duckman.

any manga you read with "fake" good art. where it looks really good on a surface level but looking further reveals how lazy it is? Like I was reading Otaku Elf and while the line art and shading is really nice, it takes a few chapters to realize that most of the art is done with the symmetry tool. Which once I noticed it made a lot of the panels very uncanny to look at, where it's the same panel copied for 3 pages straight of a character staring into my soul

what are some popular manga right now with shit art? I need to cope.

>>6845595
Manga with objectively shit art:
>Chainsawman (weekly)
>Jujutsu Kaisen (weekly)
>Demon Slayer (weekly)
>Attack on Titan (monthly)

Manga with art that doesn't look like complete shit but still looks much worse compared to what they used to look like:
>Dragon Ball Super manga (compared to Toriyama) (monthly)
>Boruto (compared to Kishimoto) (monthly)
>One Piece (weekly)

Most of these are releasing chapters weekly so it's understandable why they look like that.
Goes to show that appealing characters and attractive writing (+ an anime adaption) can excuse bad looking art.

>>6835640
Seek help instead of internet attention.

>>6844051
>It's porn btw
>good
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

>>6845801
I dont get why people say JJK looks bad. I dont even like the story, I just read it for the art.

>>6845801
>Manga with objectively shit art:
>>Chainsawman (weekly)
>>Jujutsu Kaisen (weekly)
>>Demon Slayer (weekly)
>>Attack on Titan (monthly)

Honestly, I think these ones in particular just have very scratchy, sketchy, unrefined art. I don't really find them "bad" actually enjoyed DS and part 1 of CSM, but the art in all of these feels very incomplete and unpolished.

I guess if anything, its proof that you don't need such polished refined artwork anymore to "make it."

>>6846035
Yeah this just looks like the inking is bad, but the penciling is still fine. If I were to say that a comic has "bad art", that would have to happen at the penciling stage. This is just bad rendering.

>>6845595
Attack on Titan has hideously terrible art but is extremely popular because of the story.

>>6846212
>This is just bad rendering.
More like quickfinishing and no rendering
Weekly manga will look like that

>>6835160
>>6835579
One thing I notice about beginner stuff and I did it myself for ages is your cropping is almost non existent. You think its better to fit everything into the frame, a full body, an entire face, but it isn't. if you look at other mangas and films etc, they crop half a forehead off and really do wild close ups, which is definitly the way to go, also variety of shots is good and a progression / sequence of shots, maybe from wide angle to close up with degrees in between and do a jarring camera angle for that kind of effect. A nice test is if you are able to see what the thing is if you squint your eyes.

>>6847259
True. I admit sometimes I just wanna cut time than try a more dynamic angle. And I think it's a western caracteristic of paneling that way too. Focusing on the static and the japanese on the constant movement

>>6847259
Not him but sometimes I feel like the opposite is more common. That is, newbies focusing on a bunch of closeups and generally needing to pull the "camera" back more. Certainly this is a problem that I've fallen into.

>>6847295
>And I think it's a western caracteristic of paneling that way too. Focusing on the static and the japanese on the constant movement
Strong disagree here on both statements, because it highly depends on the specific comic in question. It's not about where it's from, it's about what that comic is trying to achieve. Plenty of manga focus quite heavily on achieving an atmosphere of stillness There's even a term for works like this, "mono no aware".

>>6847307
>specific comic in question
Well, I grew reading old batman, disney and italian comics like tex and they all had a similar paneling structure.
>Plenty of manga focus quite heavily on achieving an atmosphere of stillness
Im not saying about achieve a "sense of stillness" but an aesthetic choice in the paneling that you can tell it's western

>>6847319
Making careful use of cinematic techniques such as the framing this guy >>6847259 describes is what is going on in that page you posted, and it's not something that is specific to east or west. It's simply a preference of the author (or whoever storyboarded it).
In any case I really don't think it's the framing or the composition that makes these feel "western". I've certainly never seen any argument claiming such that was convincing, and I've seen plenty such arguments.

I think everyone has gotten into the weeds here. The original subject was the beginner mistake in framing. Comic panels are not the same thing as the boundaries of a painting. Because comic panels are so much more plentiful, and give multiple glimpses into the same scene, it's not as important to convey all of the information of the scene within each drawing. I've seen a lot of beginner comic panels where you can tell that the world has been constructed inside of the frame, crowding the area. What you essentially need to do is imagine the entire scene and then, as anon originally said, "crop" it. Cropping out a lot of pertinent information is fine, because other panels will give more opportunities to show that information. That's why establishing shots are nice to have, and then each subsequent panel can show only the changing elements within the context of the establishing shot. Or, in reverse, smaller panels can reveal information selectively to keep the reader in suspense, and then they're followed by an establishing shot which provides the context to resolve the suspense.

>>6847345
>>6847333
Yeah I've only got into Ito and Shuzo Oshimi and if you look at any page they've spent a lot of time figuring out the composition of panels and their linear movement through time.

Oshimi blends reality and surreality illuminating the main character's psych so uniquely well, you can see how manga has its' own form that no other art could do

Also Fincher's a good one to look at for composition, https://youtu.be/QPAloq5MCUA?si=9tpLj9CmAdMNzie5

>>6847371

>>6834745
The mega link for Manben is dead. Removed for violating content policy. . .

>>6845130
Congrats anon, your manga got promoted by NamiComi on their Insta today. Should bring more views to you.

>>6848185
>NamiComi
holy shit I totally forgot that place

>>6844051
>porn
>r>l
oof

>>6844051
>porn
>r>l
noice

>>6848231
They're small and this forgettable at this stage, but IMHO they're trying really hard to aggressively expand. My manga suddenly popped onto a bunch of those third-party manga reader sites, proper accreditation and all, and I think they're the ones that have been doing it. They're at least responsible for the MangaDex uploads, I know that much.

>>6848265
>work to send in to a publisher

>>6848388
>western
>porn
>publisher
L O L

>>6848390
Yes anon, I used jp sfx, wrote it L<-R and set the porno comic in a school because I wanted to send it to a western publisher.

>>6848396
yeah, that’s not what that refers to

Chapter 2 is out: https://tapas.io/episode/2959316
>>6848325
> MangaDex uploads
lmao even mine is there

In the year 2472 a number of magical beings escaped their permitted residence in the Ash Wood Natural Preserve, Two years later in 2474 they were responsible for the death of six people after a 18 month grooming period of [redacted], The incident occurred on [Redacted] where they murdered [redacted] and using illusion magic forced [redacted] to eat [redacted].
Shortly after wards the Venator Society landed and exterminated all escaped magical creatures in the region with approved magical and scientific force.
[Redacted] was placed in a mentally disturbed youth group but never recovered.

Sorry I liked this so much I had to share it, I always end up looking forward to writing the next arc instead of the one I'm working on.

>>6848396
Porn is boring.

>>6848669
I agree with you. Gotta eat though.

>>6848742
Drawing porn comics was the best you could think of? Go be a burglar or something.

>>6848783
To make money making comics? I've tried all kinds of things. Right now I'm trying porn comics. Try not to hurt yourself straining to think of a way this is somehow a bad thing.

>>6848791
You just agreed it was boring. I don't know how you're ever going to compete with the true believers.

>>6848794
In your mind, is petty crime better than making your living through relatively uninteresting creative work?
>I don't know how you're ever going to compete with the true believers.
I dunno if I'll ever be as good as the guys who love it, but I don't need to be. Plenty of food to go round.
Besides, at this point, I'm far from bad at it, and I'm only getting better.

>>6848805
Okay fine, go be a hitman or a mercenary. Sorry if the crime was too petty for you.
I just don't understand why you would ever want to try to compete in a creative field when you don't even love the work. How does that make any sense? Doing art for money is supposed to be a dream job which you succeed at by working to make your art worth money. You're selling the embodiment of your passion. But you want to make money at it by treating it like writing copy for a catalog, or painting signs on buildings?

>>6848837
>why you would ever want to try to compete in a creative field when you don't even love the work.
Well, that's what you get for assuming I don't love the work. I love making comics. I love making porn comics less than I love making all-ages comics for sure, but it's still the same basic activity. A mechanic who works on farm trucks might rather be working on sports cars, but that doesn't mean they hate their job.
>You're selling the embodiment of your passion. But you want to make money at it by treating it like writing copy for a catalog, or painting signs on buildings?
I agreed with you that it's boring. That does not mean that I do not put passion into the work at all, that's a conclusion you leapt to all on your own. You're searching for contradictions where there are none.

I hate how many ideas i get to make oneshots or series, but then i can't even finish what i'm doing right now...
I watched the last one of the puss in boots a while ago and since then the idea of solving crimes in some fairytailland with red hood as the detective, rumpelstiltskin as the one that is a scammer and knows what's going on the streets and goldie as a teen assistant to the detective hasn't left my mind

I wish i was healty to blow myself off doing manga

>>6848847
Yeah, just leaping to assumptions. I don't know how I'd ever arrive at these conclusions when you're saying things like
>I dunno if I'll ever be as good as the guys who love it
>I agree with you [porn is boring]. Gotta eat though.

No idea how I got the impression that you're phoning in work you don't care for just to make a buck. It wasn't until now that you said that you love making comics. Could have said earlier "Yeah porn is boring, but it's worth it to make comics for a living."
So do you have a long-term goal to make a comic you're more passionate about, after you've put in your time making porn?

>>6848861
Okay, fair points. I could have worded previous posts better. I don't usually respond to seemingly bad-faith arguments by professing my love for my profession though, and it is true that I AM drawing porn because I need money. Otherwise I would be working on any one of the the passion projects I'm sitting on.
And how about you? Any comics you want to make?

>>6848871
Awesome. Actually I gotta say, if you are making regular money at it, congratulations.
Yeah I would love to do a comic adaptation of Alien. It's a really dreamlike story, and I have a lot of ideas for expanding the nightmare and making it more vivid. Reading the novelization really stimulates the imagination.

>>6848851
Why not just work on a page right now? I've been sitting on the first 7 roughs of my manuscript for a two weeks. Gonna draw them before I continue the rest. Having milestones is good for progress imo. After I'm done with this oneshot, I've got several other outlines I'm mulling over.

>>6848876
Oh i'm working right now, is just that i have been doing some changes to some pages and i still unsure if it good that they will look like this sometimes

>>6848876
Man you're right. That would be awesome, just to do a page. I'm grinding an overdue illustration at the moment, but I'll work on that to shake things up.
I always think, if I'm going to be a pro at this, I can't be the kind of guy who does art when he needs to and then does other stuff for fun. This has got to be the main thing, to be both a hobby and a profession.

>>6848883
Nice, I like your backgrounds. It's got the handmade touch.

>>6848893
Anon that's gintama, that it's the reference for what i'm aiming

>>6848883
I've embraced a yolo attitude with manga work. I'll do my first as good as I can think of at that moment and if it's shit I'll redraw once everything else is done. It's more important to finish than it is to get it good.

>>6848888
Godspeed, my man. Find a schedule that you can work with. Have some sort of minimal time you have to invest in it every day and set clear goals for the week.

>>6848900
Ha, that does make more sense.

>>6848909
Yup, that's the only way to do it. Most of the great comics start with worse art than they end with. They never would have been made if the artist had waited until he could have "done them justice".

That's funny, I just had the thought that this would be good advice to >>6848851 and then realized >>6848876 was addressing him, not me.

Man where does the time go. I spend hours on one page but when I look at it, it's just 5 or 6 simple drawings

>>6835640

its because they are weaker when their mask comes off. What is a metaphor? You stupid ignorant fuck

>>6847634
That mega has been down for months but the pirate website with a lot of the episodes streaming is also down now. Your only hope now is to learn Japanese, get a Japanese VPN, and pay the $9.99 for a month of NHK.jp on demand.

Scenes of people getting ganged up by reporters? I'm stuck with just 1 panel that has that and i haven't a composition or reference that i like it

>>6847634
I downloaded them all some time ago, here u go
>https://mega.nz/file/RMJQQLaT#kbQXjQArBHPhFdqSLMVc5FtQJwhYiIRRW5U4y1Nh-oQ

>>6849886
Mind if I replace the link in the OP with this one?

>>6849926
not at all

>2 panels and remake 1 scene and i will finally ofiicially over with the 1st half of the chapter
The ride never ends, the harder part is that you either have to remake it in the space of that scene or have to remake and rearrange the whole story from that point on

>>6849804
You could do close ups of yelling mouths and microphones or a close up on the gaggle of heads. Also what the main character is seeing, the flash of cameras maybe and peoples feet rushing round as he looks down.

>>6850168
Is another character flashback, but i mostly have trouble how to draw the crow of reporters

>>6850188
Ps. It would look like that

>>6850188
Just don't fit them all in one panel, get real close up and if you do a wider shot just make most of them a sillouette, up to you

>>6850191
Is that the flashback is 4 pages long and like 19 panels so i want to make each panel count, in that one i want to show that the character is doing fine working as a hero, saving a people, and the reporters taking her as a prodigy in the field wich makes the teammates envy her

>>6849886
Does it have the episode with Katuysa Terada?

>>6850168
I like this.

Fuck i made myself giggle with some little chance in a page, now i wanted to post some pages to compare the new version with the one that i was making last year, but i just realized how bad the last one was

>>6850316
Why are you posting about not posting something? Are we supposed to beg you for it?

>>6850316
oh sir please sir show us sir

>>6850316
spoiler alert: the new one is also bad

>>6850318
Nah i think that posting in the sketch phase would make a waste of time for you people, but the think is that i remembered when some anon told me that i should take time off and doing better next year (which i forcefully had to do since i miss the deadline anyways) and i didn't want to hear him that time, but now time have prove him right

>>6848940
They're deceptively simple, not actually simple.

Currently on my I NEED TO IMPROVE stage, but I want to finish this chapter before I take measures.

>>6851301
links do subscribe or read or whatever.

I'm also up for adventure/fantasy/action series recs.
https://tapas.io/episode/2932056
https://wingsofdaera.cfw.me/

Should each page be able to be enjoyed on its own by someone who has no idea what it is?

>>6851344
That's a benefit of having good looking pages, not a requirement, per say but definitely a noble goal to work towards

>>6851302
Yoo anon I saw you updating on tapas but not here so I thought you had quit /ic/. Seeing fidah intimate desires was cool

thought i'd share a wip here
page 2 out of 4

>>6849886
>>6849926
I updated the folder so you can download each season separately, plus there's an episode guide of what's actually in them now.
Please use this link instead in the next OP
>https://mega.nz/folder/YQYAGJTR#1PAs3gRYTMoerPapIZTXGg
>>6850306
sorry, no. Manben Neo was only up to episode 13 before the site was taken down

do people actually read oneshots? it just seems like a weird concept, if you like it you’d want more of it, but you know there isn’t anything more, seems like a losing proposition either way

>>6851874
Clean lines and good paneling. Good work anon

>>6851874
what kinda brush do you use for the lines

>>6851926
I guess this is why manga magazines bundle them into the rest of the weekly releases

>>6851372
heey thanks for reading!
yeah I was not posting here for a while. Almost done with current chapter.

project I've been meaning to start for a while.
I'll try to make these 6 pages to the best of my abilities.
I need to make character sheets for the characters tho...

>>6846201
The humans in AOT legitimately look like shit by both technical and appeal factors to the point I wonder how it's even possible than Isayama never improved his permabeg level figure drawing skills and proportions in 14 years of drawing. Pic related is from very late in the series so it's not something that applies only in the beginning.

>>6846035
Less technically bad and more like just very shallow and forgettable going purely by art direction when compared to something like MHA which has both objectively good art and interesting character designs (even if the story is shittier). Doesn't help that zoomers hype up like it's some sort of revolutionary series when everything else outside of the fights is pretty bog standard.

>>6846035
>I dont get why people say JJK looks bad
Its the line art, its shaking and no variation in width

I've been wanting to start a publishing company but I dont know if i want to deal with the headache of dealing with other artists egos kek, but not sure i want to stick with my current publisher

>>6852531
kino

>>6835160
>>6851301
AECAST author is not here, but I like the anon's comic. I wish to add more characters, but for now, the others are still writing their first chapters and I probably missed other works.

>>6845801
>>6846282
thank you.

>>6853216
>no bardman
neat idea though, would be cool to have a faux periodic magazine

>>6853216
oh man, love this! Asha can be the team muscle there.

I read Aecast and I really love what the anon put so far too, I want to see more. Gives me a feeling like Heretic but with cute girls.

Link for the other two?

>>6853294

>>6853231
>>no bardman
Holyshit I forgot tales of bardic fury. Gonna add later.
>>6853294
Void tenants:
https://voidtenants.thecomicseries.com/
Altarusia(mine):
https://altarusia.thecomicseries.com/archive/
https://m.tapas.io/series/Altarusia---Comic/info

>>6853317 meant for>>6853291

>>6834745
Besides what is recommended in the OP what are some good manga drawing guide books for the beginner?
Preferably from Japan and translated into English too.

Videos just don't do it for me. I've found books easier to follow.

>>6853145
>no variation in width
Are these people blind?

>>6853155
tysm anon.
Were you able to understand anything of the story? I'm focusing on making sure people turn the pages at the end of every page.Thanks to this video:
https://youtu.be/LvJE4p9moLs?si=sVnTxxsZ4xRKvbUm

What advice do you have for finding dynamic reference images to use for covers?

>>6853883
Composition is key

>>6853294
Heretic? You mean like the original FPS game?

>>6853317
Alright just read the first two updates. Trad art is soul, enjoying that. Please try to upscale your pages a bit though, bigger IS better. The ghost girl was cute, hope she reappears in some way.

>>6854295
The very same. I don't know why, Aecast always gave me Heretic vibes. But again, with cute girls.
NOW THE RAVENS SHALL CHECK YOUR FLESH.

>>6854505
aah this is so cute! It's actually all digital, I downscale a bit and ad some other filters to get this effect, but I think I can make it a bit bigger without losing the effect.
>hope she reappears in some way.
spoilers...she will!

>>6844051
>it’s porn
Very based

>>6853291
as promissed

>>6854724
Das it mane.

Update from the anon courting an eromanga publisher: had a meeting with the editor (we'll call him K-san). The short of it is: it apparently would take around a year to debut even if I lived in japan and could have face-to-face meetings, and as it is our meeting covered the same ground in 90 minutes as would normally take 20 minutes over the phone (his words) so that alone would slow things down a lot.
Obviously, that's bad news for me, who can't afford to wait what will likely be well over a year.
He also seemed to have concerns about how to actually pay me, and the tax situation. I'm about 80% sure they can just pay me through direct wire transfers and all the tax stuff is my problem rather than theirs, but he said he wanted to research further. If I had to guess his concerns stem from paying royalties to a non-resident of japan, which apparently might get tricky. I don't really know.

Now the good news: K-san does seem to like the work, praising the paneling and character designs. He says "I like you, you have much more passion and motivation than new Japanese artists. Your drawing skill, too." He might just be gassing me up, but I'm choosing to take this at face value... which might just be a cope, lol. He seems to believe my work would do well sold as doujinshi, and he spent quite a lot of the conversation going over the numbers and essentially trying to confirm (paraphrased) "you're sure you want to work with a commercial magazine even though going doujin might be the better choice for you?" so that does give me hope I don't need to rely purely on commissions for income while I continue to pursue this.
[1/3]

>>6854947
His feedback for the comic itself (which can be read here https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nqtLnCYCHXr1PYNUu12OlfyxyPEhhsvh?usp=sharing for reference) is as follows:
It's well drawn and easy to read. The work is excellent for a new author, but if I want to draw regularly for a commercial business then it needs to be even better. As it is it meets the minimum level, so I should aim to make it even better so they get what they'd be paying for. However, it would still need to be "adjusted for the japanese market" (his words).
For example, the protagonist, despite having a very lucky experience doesn't seem very happy about it. He more or less expresses that the readership would not really relate with the protagonist on that front. He also points out that there's no change in the relationship between the characters by the end, which he feels makes it monotonous.
He suggests I change it so that, for example, the relationship changes during the sex so that the girls end up falling in love with the teacher rather than apparently only treating him like he's just a penis to play with like it is now.
K-san goes on to say that if they were to "formally commission" me to do this work, he would add another 20 pages. 4 before the sex starts to elaborate on the heroine's relationship to the protagonist, and 16 "to have the heroines fall in love with the hero after they are defeated by his penis during sex."

He tells me that the theme for the book (bisexual ffm threesomes) is much better suited for doujins, as in japan it's really more of a niche than something fit for a commercial magazine like theirs where they want to attract a more general audience (within their demographic of course) to hit sales targets (which he described in detail with the numbers -- they aim for 15k sales, and he adds that pays the author out 1.5million yen (~10k USD) in royalties). He seemed pleased when I suggested that I could instead make the book around a more popular theme.
[2/3]

>>6854949
This meeting ended without me really getting a clear idea of what he needs me to do to make progress toward being published. He seems to be taking me seriously despite his clear uncertainty about working with a foreigner online, but I'm also left without clear instruction on what he needs from me. So I guess all I can do is rework the storyboard to address his critiques and send it in again and do research on the tax/payment situation so I can give him a clear solution to that problem (which I'm reasonably sure isn't a problem, but whatever).
In the meanwhile, I'll take his advice regarding trying out doujin publishing by throwing some previous works up for sale. This field is just as mysterious to me as working with this publisher is, so I expect there'll be plenty of problems there... I really wish that some of this would be easy and simple, but I can't really complain when I'm trying to swim against the current here, lol.

Anyway hopefully some of you anons found this rambling recount useful, or at least interesting.
[3/3]

>>6834745
First mega link is broken, you got a back up?

>>6854951
What are your thoughts on selling it on dlsite/fantia? Do you think it'd help to get published with an eromanga if you already had an audience and sales stats through those first?
Also do you have an assistant or would the publisher have supplied you with one?

I get triggered whenever I see someone use 3D backgrounds in their work. I know it's nothing new anymore and it's not even a bad thing but I just can't help it

>>6854994
Same, i hate it so much

I find it very hard to discern the important panels from the ones that should be discarded to keep a nice "flow". I also try to be creative with he paneling but find myself unsure about his good it works

>>6854985
>What are your thoughts on selling it on dlsite/fantia?
"This field is just as mysterious to me as working with this publisher is, so I expect there'll be plenty of problems there..." these are my thoughts on that. I'll be trying it out, but I'm not expecting to see much success there.
>Do you think it'd help to get published with an eromanga if you already had an audience and sales stats through those first?
I don't know for sure. Maybe it would, if you're particular successful. Maybe a publisher would see doujin publication as something too different from commercial publication to really compare. I'm kind of running into that problem where the closer I get the more I see how little I really know about this.
>Also do you have an assistant or would the publisher have supplied you with one?
No. The publishers, to my knowledge, have no involvement in hiring assistants at all. It's something that's generally left to the author to decide if they need one and to hire and/or train them.

>>6834745
Should I make my comics look like Manga (Black/White) or look like Anime(Color)? I'll be making a comic soon and I want to eventually print it and try to sell it, I'm not sure which way to go with it, since I'm making it myself so it could be either way. On the one hand, I want it to fit right in on the shelf with actual profesionally published manga (albeit mine be reading wester orientation) in Asia they release the manga with dusk jackets that sometimes have different art to the one in the actual book cover, someties they have a band wrapped around that has some adds for other manga/anime, and I like the black and white art on that type of paper (feels much like a book, and I like that) also that I could probably finish faster since basically done once it is inked.
On the other hand, there is already a shit ton of actual manga out there so it would probably be a good idea to do stuff slightly diferent to what you can already find in stores. I have an Star Wars the Clone Wars comic, full color, trim size is 7.5 x 5.25 in about the size of a dvd/bluray case (and it's like a 140 pages, spine is about as thick as that of a bluray cases), I like that format and I think that if I make an slip-case for it it'd sort of play into pretending it is the bluray for an anime (again, making my comic feel like an anime). Anyhow, what you guys think? Picrel is some pen sketches from couple days ago.

>>6855082
You should consider that color is going to be much more expensive to print than true monochrome. If you're self-publishing and want to print, monochrome might be the only way to make it work financially while keeping the books inexpensive for the reader.

>>6855087
>color is going to be much more expensive
I do consider that. Full color comics are a lot shorter, guess it's to do with the printing cost and such, The Star Wars comic I mentioned, it's 136 pages long for instance, I have a JoJo's manga there on the shelf and it's like 224 pages long, both were about 9 dollars when I bought them. I like both formats tough.

>>6854947
>>6854949
>>6854951
Do you have a twitter or pixiv? I'd love to follow your progress

>>6855254
I do and I'll link it, but I don't post anything on it other than completed works. I certainly don't blogpost like this.
https://twitter.com/dinglewizard

>>6853291
>>6853317
>>6854724
Glad it is remembered, thank you for drawing this. /ic/ jump lineup is pretty good I'd say. I'm going to finish the Oi beach episode soon, then try to get a Samhain one done. I've been trying to practice coloring and rendering so haven't got much pages done. I've also been working on a one-shot based on La Noche Triste when Hernan Cortes and the Spanish and Tlaxcalans escaped Tenochtitlan in the middle of the night and almost got wiped out by the Aztecs. There is already a historically accurate all ages webcomic called the Aztec Empire, so to make this different I'm planning on trying to make it a very visceral and violent prolonged fight and chase scene. Here's a WIP I'm thinking will be a cool cover chapter image. The Aztec warrior is a guy called the Quetzal Owl Knight. According to the Spanish account from Bernal Diaz and the Florentine Codex which is the Aztec POV, this guy was a noble chosen to wear the blessed Quetzal Owl armor. He apparently went out with a team of 6 guys and wreaked massive damage on the Spanish singlehanded with them unable to wound him. Then he disappeared in the night and wasn't seen again. I don't have to make anything up, the La Noche Triste story is so crazy the comic writes itself.

>>6855284
I'm surpised that Aztec warriors didn't generally suffer higher casualties than they did generally, even before the arrival of the conquistadors. Wasn't all their armor just basically plant fibers and feathers? Did the Aztecs have any metallurgy to speak of?

>>6846274
Love this a lot

>>6855584
Their armor was thick quilted cotton and the elite warriors had elaborate headdress or helmets with feathers sewn in. Aztec warfare was based on capturing enemies for sacrifice and it was considered clumsy to kill them. They had no metallurgy other than gold crafting. Their swords were wood clubs lined with razor sharp obsidian edges and were designed to injure rather than kill. Even then, the spanish say they saw a horse be completely beheaded with one of these blades on the battlefield. The Spanish also used quilted bodysuit armor, it was apparently the best thing for the hot Mexican climate, and was very effective. Aztecs were mostly btfo by the Spanish but la noche triste was a night where they almost wiped Cortes and his men out and got the W.

>>6855672
>>6855584
Here's their main weapon, called a macuahuitl. The obsidian edge is designed to cut and maim and the wood part is designed to be used as a club to knock enemies out for capture.

>>6855584
When Hernan and his men first landed in the Yucatan with the plan to conquer Tenochtitlan, they had a battle where it was around 350 Spaniards vs 10k mayans. The mayans were completely routed without causing a single casualty to the Spanish. They never saw horses or fought vs cannon on the battlefield so by the time cortes and his cavalry charge showed up, the mayans were already beaten and fled for their lives. After fighting the Spanish a few times, they learned not to fear the horses and also to run in zig zag formation when the cannons started firing. Cortes fought the Tlaxcalans in three battles and was on the verge of defeat before the Tlaxcalans surrendered to him and joined him as allies, because they wanted to use the Spanish to defeat their enemy rivals the aztecs. The Hernan Cortes story is crazy because so many times all hope seemed lost and his army was on the verge of being wiped out, he'd manage to survive and pull out a victory against impossible odds.

>>6855584
Another reason Cortes was able to get native tribes to ally with him because they hated the constant Aztec pageant wars designed to get aztecs more captives for sacrifice, and they hated having to tribute even more sacrifices to the Aztecs, who treated their conquered vassal tribes like shit.

>>6855284
>>6855584
>>6855672
>>6855678
>>6855689
>>6855693
I love my Spanish heritage, and I love being a Norteño. Fuck Chilangos and their Indio LARPing.

>>6855768
I want the comic to show heroism from the Spanish, tlaxcalans and aztecs. During la noche triste the Spanish built a 40 foot portable bridge so they could cross the canals of Tenochtitlan. Pretty crazy feat of engineering and improvisation.

>>6855777
Amigo Mestizo Basado.

>>6855768
BASED

>>6855689
I'm surprised Spanish media don't cover this in any way.

>>6855284
This looks cool af. I wish to draw something based on roman vs cartaghe someday.

>>6834745
Would manga artists like Akira Toriyama be really good at figure drawing or drawing from like or all the normal stuff? Or is it a completely different skill set

>>6855809
Im starting to think this general is 90% esl

>>6834745
Anybody have this book? Is it actually useful?

>>6855000
Nice shit! Why'd you draft it on ruled paper?
I'm looking forward to seeing it inked
>>6855284
Native American magic was weird. Crazy Horse was given divine blessing against bullets, he was shot in the face and lived by an Indian dude who's wife he was fucking, afterwards he was never shot again. He died to a bayonet in prison
>>6855885
Generally, you want to have a good understanding of the human body before you create a parody of it. Grind figures and heads until you feel comfortable, then go on to learn perspective and paneling at the same time

I’m working on my style. Taking any pointers.

>>6855945
Make faces stand out more(focal point) with such simpicity there is not much for eye to catch on.

>>6855945
Also a bit flat on values and so form depth. Push foreground to stand out more.

>>6846274
you this guy? kinda sad he only posted a couple times
even if not, cool stuff, love this style with heavy lines and all the tones

>>6855865
Spain made a Cortez show recently and Mexico made one f4om the POV of his translator Malinche.

>>6855959
>>6855957
Got it, thanks a lot. I’m not sure what additional detail I could add to the face aside from more cross hatching though.

>>6855885
I can't answer that without constructoids attacking me

Mochi mochi... i came to ask again any tips to draw crowds, my brains isn't processing quite right between drawing silhouettes or do the whole deed with drawing every person on the panel

>>6856593
Mate, figure it out yourself. There's a million different things to draw in comics, if you feel the need to stop and come beg for somebody to hold your hand through any decision making then just quit now.

>>6854951
Your completed doujins aren't too bad, does Fakku publish Western works? I imagine it'll be easier to jump the ocean if you already have some publishing under your belt

>>6856734
I haven't made an inquiry into Fakku, because I assume they'd pay peanuts compared to japanese publishers. I could always ask, but I wanted to give going straight to the japanese publishers a fair shake before I really consider working with Fakku.

>>6856750
Are you planning on the old "started in hentai then broke into the actual manga industry" route?
I saw your work and I see potential and you might just make it.
>that Twitter name
I like it and you just reminded me that I've been using the same username handle since I was 15 (no numbers or that call of duty style naming convention from the early days), and now I'm having an identity crisis over an online alias. I hang onto it because it brings me back to a happier time.
[spoiler]I'm 24[spoiler]

>>6856753
>Are you planning on the old "started in hentai then broke into the actual manga industry" route?
No, not really. For the time being, I just want to earn a living with comics. It just happens that I'm a raging contrarian and I hate doing commissions.
I do of course have plenty of ideas for all-ages comics I want to make, but I think I'd like to make them on my own rather than trying to go through an editor. It's so tiresome to work with people.
>I saw your work and I see potential and you might just make it.
I fully believe I'm capable of making something enjoyable to read right now, it's just not financial viable for me right now. I'd have to find a way to get paid for it, which means going through a publisher, which means all kinds of annoying things to deal with. So I'm trying to find a way to get paid to make comics with as little hassle as possible, which is turning out to be a lot of hassle. I just wanna make shit and get paid for it!!!

How do I make a recognizable character design of a bald man?

>>6854994
I don't like it either but I use the fuck out of them because Webtoon readers generally don't care. Read somewhere that the average person spends less than 30 seconds reading a webcomic, so why the fuck am I going to invest long hours into making a background? Comments are usually "first," "too short" or "omg ship is sailing" anyway
I at least add shadows and stuff to make it blend in a little more. There are some webtoon Originals creators who I think go too far through, like 3d assets for shoes or props.
But on my actual non-webtoon shit, I do hand-draw the backgrounds.

>>6856750
>I assume they'd pay peanuts compared to japanese publishers
They probably do. But it would help considering it like an internship, as you would have the experience working with an Editor/Publisher. That Japanese Editor has probably had plenty of meetings with unpublished Westerners, band that would make you more prospective in the eyes of a Japanese Publisherut I doubt he has met any that have published work. That would give you an edge the next time you meet him
>>6857314
Give him a goatee

>>6857391
I hate this trope of giving baldies goatees. It’s so generic and uninteresting.

>>6857391
>>6857410
I gave him thick eyebrows and the Itachi eyebags.

>tfw you finally make your own screen toner
It's fun to use but I can see why most artists switched to digital tones

>>6855082
are you me? I also can't decide to go B&W or color with my (western) manga.

>there is already a shit ton of actual manga out there so it would probably be a good idea to do stuff slightly diferent
Depending on the audience it could have the opposite effect.
Readers from the webtoon audience, for example, exclusively read their comics in full color, so having a B&W comic could make you stand out in a sea of colored comics.
As you and that other anon have already mentioned, time and print expenses are also big factors one should consider.
Another one you should consider is your skills with colors. Will giving your comic color actually enhance the visuals?
I have seen artists absolutely butcher B&W comics when coloring them badly. It can definitely ruin the reading experience. Less is often more.

Your art style from your sketch looks great in B&W. Especially your hatching, but I can't imagine that hatching style would look "better" when fully colored. You'd have to replace it with basic cel-shading like in anime.
B&W gives a certain clarity that color simply can't replicate. Also, once you do print your work you won't have to fear that your colors might look different since it's monochrome.

I have a long comic series and a couple of short comics planned. I think I'll draw the long comic series in monochrome and print it later. The short comics will probably be in full color as they'll be web-exclusive.

>>6857314
>How do I make a recognizable character design of a bald man?
by pushing the entire silhouette

>>6857314
Take inspiration from iconic characters

Where & How do you actually market your work?
Is it worth to self-publish?

>>6857391
I have experience working with an editor. Experience only helps when that experience is applicable to the new thing, and it seems to be somewhat different in this case.
Experience working with Fakku doesn't resolve K-san's primary concerns which are 1. the ability to communicate with me efficiently (experience working with an english publisher won't help this) and 2. the quality of the work itself (which is self-evident and it's going to be a "concern" no matter how good the work I show him is -- it's part of his job to squeeze even better stuff out of the artist).
Let's face it, the biggest barrier here is that I don't speak japanese. He seems to like the work itself and appears to have high hopes for my professional career, but it's all heavily hampered by the inability to attend face-to-face or even over-the-phone meetings to discuss the work. While he has pointed that out, he hasn't outright rejected me (as other publishers have) and seems to be taking me seriously.
Of course, it's within the realm of possibility that he's just trying to gently nudge me away, but trying to guess at people's intention through a language and formality barrier seems a foolish endeavor to me, so I'm just going to take him at his word and rework the storyboard following his feedback. And once that's done, I'll send it in again.

What brushes were used here? I think it looks like mechanical pencil for the lineart but what about the fillings?

>>6858114
To me it just looks like basic hard round with a paper texture slapped on top, but it's difficult to know for sure just going by how it looks. Brushes matter less than you might realize anyway.

>>6858114
very tonal manga is extremely inspiring to me. I'm beginning to feel the limits of pure white and black type art. Lots of possibilities in mood and emotion is lost

>>6858114
Hard round brush with different sizes and opacities. Basic marker brush for shading and maybe a texture under some layers.
Replicate it yourself to understand what's happening. If you still can't figure it out then you need to grind your fundies more.

>>6857739
>Another one you should consider is your skills with colors
>Your art style from your sketch looks great in B&W. Especially your hatching, but I can't imagine that hatching style would look "better" when fully colored.
I only do that sort of inking when I know I won't be coloring. Normally I'd do very basic line work.
>You'd have to replace it with basic cel-shading like in anime.
Exactly like that.

>>6854951
I don’t know about japan specifically, but in some (most?) countries, companies are taxed by their government for hires, it’s not about your income that you are taxed on by your government, it’s about them paying for hiring you to theirs. Also, you looking into it is honestly retarded, given that they have their accountant whose job is to deal with taxes, and that you apparently barely speak japanese in the first place.
Also, I don’t know about the culture there, but you’re not even really sure he wants you to pursue the matter further in regards to being published, coming in with some layman understanding of japanese tax is probably not the brightest idea. Everything he said seems to be in tentative and more in the line of general goodwill advice than actual instruction, but that might be a language thing or me getting the wrong impression from second hand retelling. I’d just shoot my shot with the suggested edits and not mention tax at all, probably throw in some finished pages just to show what it would look like, the character sheet doesn’t really convey much in that sense. And be prepared for him to politely insinuate I should try elsewhere.

>>6857314

>>6858505
Yeah, I agree on all fronts. His responses are full of "for examples" and "supposing if"s. He's been careful not to phrase things in a matter that would imply any commitment on their part, he's been framing this as only as a hypothetical partnership thus far. And yeah, I did do some research into the tax situation to see if I'd have to do anything (they just withhold a portion of the employee's wages as tax, and I can apply to get a major reduction in that thanks to a treaty between my country and japan), but I likely won't bring it up again.
He's seen finished work from me already (I sent in a whole finished manuscript in august, pic related, but it wasn't on-theme for their magazines + he had similar issues with the writing as he does with the current thing).
>I’d just shoot my shot with the suggested edits [...] and be prepared for him to politely insinuate I should try elsewhere.
That's the plan!

Rank all of these authors purely from a drawing skills/art quality point of view
>Kentaro Miura
>Yusuke Murata
>Takehiko Inoue
>Kazushi Hagiwara
>Kohta Hirano
>Yukito Kishiro
>Tetsuo Hara
>Hirohiko Araki
>Tite Kubo
>Masashi Kishimoto
>Kohei Horikoshi
>Akira Toriyama
>Osamu Tezuka
>Katsuhiro Otomo
>Hayao Miyazaki
>Yoh Yoshinari
>Range Murata
>Yoshikazu Yasuhiko
>CLAMP
>Hiroyuki Takei
>Kazuki Takahashi
>Ito Ogure

>>6858519
Good luck, if it doesn’t pan out, maybe you can hire someone to peddle your stuff at cons as doujinshi, I’d guess there’s enough authors who can’t go around doing it themselves that it’s a thing.

>>6858523
you might be brain damaged with that list

>>6858519
Thanks for posting and good luck
Reading editor-san's feedback on your work gives some perspective and insight for my own projects
Cheers

>>6858525
Meh, DLsite exists.

>>6858529
Glad it helps.

>>6858121
I feel the opposite. I find solid, stark black and white lineart to be the most impressive thing, because it can be difficult to read properly without color or tone, do the point that many artists rely on it as a crutch.

Western comics (particularly American comics) have an over-reliance on color, and lots of modern manga have an over-reliance on tones, to the point that if you remove them, the actual linework is so scant that there is barely anything there.

I mean, at least that image has a more painterly or actual watercolor look to the tone, but if you took the tone away and focused on anything other than the characters, you probably couldn't make heads or tails of what you're even looking at.

To me, lineart should be able to stand on its own with no color, tone, or shading, and those things should be used to enhance the lines, not completely overwhelm them.

>Finish designing a character I had in my head
>Sort of goth looking dude, mostly black and white, sleek black hair
>Lil sister sees my design
>"Cool is that a costume for Testament?"
This ever happened to you guys before? You spend however long coming up with a cool concept only for it to look EXACTLY like some other established character?

>>6858654
nigga, do you even read manga

>>6858654
When I was 5 I drew a dude with star-shaped hair and few months later YuGiOh was the hot new thing.
Over the last few years it seems like anything I want to write or draw about gets an anime which causes me to lose interest because the idea isn't fresh to me anymore and people will think I copied it.
Losing motivation on my webcomic because the idea's been done more times than I was aware of.

>>6858654
There is no such thing as an original idea. Not for at least a few thousand years.
There are only good ideas, and the specific way you - yes, YOU - implement them.

Post your character designs, anon.
Surely you have some you're proud of. Your main character? A villain? Some unimportant side character you've grown fond of? An artist's mascot?

>>6858510

>>6858748
>Surely you have some you're proud of. Your main character? A villain? Some unimportant side character you've grown fond of? An artist's mascot?
But you will steal them...

>>6858755
I understand the concern, but most people want to make their own characters, and if they were going to steal, they'd copy from characters they knew and loved and say it was "inspired" by that series. Like a real mangaka. Besides, technically, anyone here could steal anything posted here. But you're still posting here.

>>6858748
These are the first drawings I did of the Oi characters, several years ago.

>>6859116
Here's a promo poster I did recently with the characters and how they look currently

>>6859120
Of recent designs, Bryan's alter ego Sheep World costume is my favorite. It was inspired my Majora from Majora's Mask and the Wyatt Family from WWE.

>>6858654
i mean, its gonna happen
every design is a smoothie of previous concepts
stick with your design, and tweak it if being too similar is an issue. Make him look mean or something, to contrast testaments more regal attitude (at least in strive)

>>6859030
>but most people want to make their own characters, and if they were going to steal, they'd copy from characters they knew and loved and say it was "inspired" by that series. Like a real mangaka.
You have never been to a facebook art group. If you put anything remotely good the feed will be riddled with uncannily similar OCs for the next few days. I can't imagine twitter is much different.

concepts for this: >>6852531
>Inb4 it looks like PSR.
PSR inspired me quite a bit.
Don't really have a plan for this. I figure I'll just keep doing pages and building this world. Once I have 30 pages I might send it to some publisher? if not, I might do 60pages and self publish, but we'll see how it goes. Maybe it'll be dogshit lol

>>6855595
thanks anon!
although I'm not too happy with that drawing

>>6855982
yes, this is me anon.
Just started doing pages for this comic. Hopefully I can maintain this style, that's the plan at least.

Work in progress of this image. I'm planning to ink outlines with the fine liner and do motion lines and shading with a brush

>>6859622
What is that? Native American? Cherokee?

>>6859474
what's psr? I googled it but found nothing

>>6855917
IIRC, it's on e-hentai

>>6859667
Aztec Quetzal Owl Knight in my drawing, in the photo it's a mayan dude.

I have to study anatomy for 3 years before I can attempt to even make manga or write a draft

>>6859757
Took me 25 years so you're quite fast

>>6859757
Making manga IS study.

>>6859474
good shit
>efficient human
is that the title? what's it mean?

How do you guys study composition? Mine always look bland

>>6859838
Consume a lot of shit with great composition. Absorb it internally. Keep a big folder of images you like. In fact, great practice is to save any art piece you like.

Composition, though, is one of those things where it's a lot more about making decisions based on a few simple rules and kind of winging it based on the "feel" than it is getting really mechanically skilled at it. It's not like some other art skills where you need to grind it for hundreds of hours to get good: just understand basic theory (3/4ths etcetera), look at what other people do, and you'll begin to understand.

>>6858663
Not sure why you posted that but yes
In fact, KNKD is my favorite action manga ever

>>6859678
>PSR
>Print Shoot Repeat

>>6859805
thanks anon!
>is that the title? what's it mean?
Yes. it's about a society that want's everyone to be a good wage slave cuck.
(I live in a socialist country).

>>6859865
>why
read hellsing

>>6858654
Such a concern has always been in my head whenever I've been thinking up with character designs. Had one occupying my head since I was 15 (I'm 24). Refined the design a bit over the years. Character takes me back to a happier time. I'd be crestfallen if he resembled an established character's design. But then again I'd tweak his colours at least if that was the case.

>>6859351
You're sort of getting yourself in a feedback catch 22 here. I don't understand why you'd be here if you're worried anything you post can and will be stolen by others, or even considering making something you'd share with the public at any point, because at some point you WILL share your designs. It's just a matter of whether you share designs other people have looked at, potentially critiqued, and allowed you to revise, or whether you're sharing designs you and only you have designed while locked in your own personal echochamber.

I get that you've been burned in the past, but ideas are all about how you implement them, not what they are in the abstract. Lots of people come up with great ideas. The difference between them and you is that you have the skill, will, and plan to make them come to life. Ideas are worth pennies.

>>6860478
>I don't understand why you'd be here if you're worried anything you post can and will be stolen by others, or even considering making something you'd share with the public at any point, because at some point you WILL share your designs.
Only after the appropriate countermeasures are in place. I don't just share art willynilly anymore.

Our "Page 1"

>>6860940
wtf is this anatomy?

>>6860960
I know we suck. We're learning.

>>6859474
page 1

Is releasing a 20 pages chapter every 3 or 4 months viable if I'm aiming specifically to deliver significantly decent quality art but I'm sadly barely above /beg/? I don't have the funds to let my artists mutuals with more experience and skill than me to draw it instead so I'll have to find a way while also forcing myself to improve my art skills fast in general.

>>6860964
who's we? did multiple people work on this or are you schizo?

>>6861093
Yes. I drew it and my friends do all the computer stuff. They do the story, too. And I'll be honest. What I posted was probably what we did in 2015-17.

>>6860988
looks fantastic, looking forward to seeing more stuff from you

>>6861104
Why would you post shit you did 10 years ago? Are you stupid?

>>6861135
Not him but why not?
Drew this in december 2014. If I remember right I had just bought a crappy ass brush pen and was excited to use it so I drew the whole thing with it. I don't think it worked out.

>>6861104
Post art you did this year, I want to see if there is any anatomical improvement.

>>6861135
>>6861239
I heard things about this site so I didn't want to post our newer stuff because it may cause bias' to erupt.

But this recent page should be okay

>>6861290

>>6861292
Oooohhhh man you can't just squash and stretch assets like that.

>>6861296
That top panel, right? I knew it.

>>6860016
>>6860988
I'm liking what I'm reading

>>6861310
That's still pretty fucking good compared to what you 1st posted. It's sloppy too.

Not sure if this is the right thread to ask but does anyone know to upload your own work on ero manga sites like nhentai, e-hentai, ex-hentai etc?
I've seen some original stuff by western artists do quite well over there.
Do you have to submit your art somewhere? I couldn't find a way to upload your own work.

>>6861119
fr? I'm really unhappy, so much so I'm taking on redoing the page. Well, I'll try something new with page 2 and see how it goes. Thanks anon
>>6861319
based let's go
>"if that's too politically extreme for you...fuck yourself"

>>6861744
>e-hentai
I got my stuff from gumroad get leaked there, so someone posted it. I'm sure you can post wtv too.

>>6861744
Of those 3, e-hentai is the only one you can upload to. exhentai is just e-hentai with the fed-filters removed and nhentai just scrapes from e-hentai.
Anyway you just make an account and click the "Create new gallery" button in My Uploads. It's piss easy to upload stuff.

>>6862129
>fr? I'm really unhappy, so much so I'm taking on redoing the page
I think this feeling is very common among creators, every time I finish up a page I think "the next one will be better".
Generally I think It's better to move forward then to redo them constantly, make small improvements with every page and learn from experience.
For a first page I think yours is quite solid, well drawn and easy to read

>>6862129
I feel you anon, i was redoing 2 pages for days now, but i finally got to see the light at the end of the tunnel and got it done...

also the light was another car, now i have to draw the hardest panel to draw yet

>>6861323
Thanks for the recog and feedback.

I'd much rather draw the BGs on plain old pencil, pen and paper, but seeing how fast we can get all of that done on the computer, I understand what they're trying to do.

I will tell them that they have to go a little softer on all that digital stuff.

>>6861290
I wanna know what "biases" do you think exists that's stopping you from posting what you've recently fucking worked on.

New thread
>>6862766