/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>Resources I know of
Drawabox
https://imgur.com/a/EZPc28m
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=learn+how+to+sketch
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=learn+how+to+draw
>What I want to know from you all
Suggestions on how I should practice, optimal workflow etc.
Advice
Links to recommended courses
Links to recommended resources
Links to recommended books
Tips & Tricks
Your personal experience if you have been in a situation similar to me, and how you managed to carry on
Inspiration, post your improvement

That's about it friends. Wish me luck on my endeavours. I'll be organizing all the useful stuff from this thread and begin my journey on the 11th of this month. May I be able to reach my goal.

>>6830873
>Frustrations
Just to expand on from "my previous experience", I've always just felt so incompetent with my art journey. It would seem an impossible task to properly draw what I want to draw. To properly sketch what I want to sketch. My hands and pencil would just NOT replicate the image on my mind or on my monitor. I just don't have the skill. I'd scour the internet for hours only to fall for those bullshit traps of "buy my course and you'll be kentaro miura in no time!" shit and I'd lose all hope. That's why I gave up. It's been almost 6 years since I'd done anything remotely related to sketching/drawing.

Links to some of the shit that I genuinely do wanna be able to replicate. I want to now exactly how I can get to the level of where I can draw things I linked.

https://pastebin.com/7K9mNhzZ

brappity brap brap please folks, help me out over here

Check out proko on youtube

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

Do this. It works for anime style, or whatever style you want. Even for realistic fine-art painting, it works.

Also, read Loomis.

>>6830876
wait, you don't know about Loomis? Read Loomis. Also, pic related

>>6831063
Thanks for this anon, but how exactly do I verify the legitimacy of this resource amongst the huge pile that there is?

You may call this a good resource but someone else will come to this thread and shit on it and tell me to follow tutorials from /beg/ or read the /asg/ sticky....

>>6831165
Both of the resources were written by professionals. Just look at their work and try it out for a month or two.

You need to learn to think for yourself (by testing it out irl) and to not just hinge on every single anonymous post here.

>>6831165
nigga I see you failing in no time and becoming a crab like every other permabeg loser here
SHUT THE FUCK UP
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DRAW
DOWNLOAD THE BOOKS ON PICREL, AND READ, AND DRAW, AND DRAW, AND DRAW AGAIN, QUESTIONING EVERYTHING WILL LEAD YOU TO FAILURE, DRAW, DRAW FOR 5 YEARS STRAIGHT AND THEN YOU CAN SAY A WORD, JUST STFU AND DRAW, DON'T QUESTION, THOSE ARE GREAT RESOURCES

>>6831165
>he gets good advice
>takes a piss on it
ngmi

>>6831177
Thanks
>>6831197
>>6831234
I'm sorry to be so skeptical. It's not my first time asking for sketching/drawing advice (first time here tho) and at this point I've met so many contradicting tips and the like along with the obvious snake oil that I really don't know what to follow.

I've heeded advice given to me previously only to find it unfruitful. And the fix to that? PAY FOR MY COURSE TO GET 1 ON 1 HELP ALONG WITH OTHER MEMBERS PATREON SUBSCRIBE PAY ME PAY ME I WILL MAKE YOU A PRO ARTIST

>>6831978
If you seriously don't know how to filter instructional material, here:
Make a list of competent artists whose art you like.
Make a list of teachers or master artists or instructional books that they recommend.
Of those authors, make a list of those whose art you like.
Sort the list by how close their art is to your initial list of competent artists.
Do the exercises in the books in order until you find one that clicks. Do all exercises in that book at least twice.
Repeat the previous step for the next book on the list.

Sometimes it really is that simple.

>>6830873
You want to draw manga? Find you favourite manga and copy it. Page after page, every fucking panel. Do it.

>>6830896
>It would seem an impossible task to properly draw what I want to draw. To properly sketch what I want to sketch. My hands and pencil would just NOT replicate the image on my mind or on my monitor
Yes, it's extremely difficult. You feel frustrated because all you've done is follow a tutorial that walks you through drawing exactly 1 thing, and the better-than-expected results mislead you. Following tutorials does not engage with any of the biggest hurdles when it comes to drawing.
Anyway how you get started is, and I truly mean this, just trying to draw your "end goal" stuff from the get-go. You need to come to terms with the idea that the long, long road to your goal will be paved with terrible drawings. That's how every single one of your idols got to where they are, and it's how everyone who reaches such goals gets there too -- as is constantly repeated every time somebody asks. There's no magical knowledge that's going to reduce the amount of work it takes. You need to draw thousands and thousands of drawings where you earnestly attempt to create your best drawing. And remember that progress is best measured over multiple years. Improvement is slow, no matter how many epic progress images you see where somebody posts their very worst drawing next to their very best drawing and calls it progress.

>>6830873

>>6830873
You don't know how to draw what you want to draw so you draw what you want, you look at your drawing, you change the things of the drawing you don't like, you repeat this everytime you draw ad nauseam, you die and are finally free.

>>6831987
Sound advice. Thanks for that.
>>6831993
>>6832004
>>6832181
Doesn't it sound extremely inefficient though? Because, if I don't even have the techniques and the skill required to draw good, what point is there in drawing the end goal over and over again only to realize the drawing looks like shit.

What you guys said is pretty close to what I used to do in the past! Follow tutorials over and over again, get close to the end result (aka one the guy shows in the video) but when it comes to drawing that SAME thing ON YOUR OWN (just a picture, no motion of someone *showing* you how to draw the curves and lines*, yeah the result is shit.

Ideally I'd like a pathway where I go through x y z resources, practice drawing my "end goal" every week to get a measure of my improvement over time, and then study some more about the fundamentals and theories of art that exist, such as anime/manga style sketching, shading, anatomy etc.
*PS*: Do you guys think I should just jump right in with the /beg/ and /asg/ stickies and start drawing and then find good resources later along the line? Or search for the most recommended stuff from the get go (like I am doing rn... but it's quite hard to find stuff widely recommended, thanks to the anon >>6831987 for the process though)

>>6830873
>HOW the fuck do I get started with drawing/sketching what I want to draw?
draft a stick figure unironically
then add sausages (legs) and wheels (joints)
in next layer add simple geometry
in next add normal skenching
in next layer draw skench with details
go from here

>>6831165
Don't bother, you'll never make it. Fuck off zoomer

>>6832141
The best advice? Stop reading western trash books.

>>6832491
What exactly did you accomplish by typing that? FUCKING NOTHING. I'll draw, I'll sketch, I'll ask, just to spite the living shit out of you. Your reply did fucking nothing except fuel me to annoy you. I'll make it, and I'll make it inside your mother too. "omgggg zoomieee bwah bwah how could someone younger than me ask a question on muh epic boardddd????!!!!!" shut the fuck up, FAGGOT.

>>6832282
>>6832609
Anon, he's right. Your attitude is problematic, no matter how motivated you feel now to spite us. You've received great advice, but in the past few days it seems like you haven't done anything. Have you read the David Finch roadmap? Have you downloaded the Loomis book? How you downloaded the Vilppu drawing manual?

You're not very proactive, and you're asking retarded questions over and over again. Unless you somehow mature really quickly, I really doubt you're capable of learning to draw

>>6831165

>>6832654
I do have the loomis books downloaded from way long ago and I have read the david finch roadmap. Yet to get started on it though.
>>6832656
>t. butthurt negroid
cry more

>>6832664
>Yet to get started on it though.
do it NOW. Do the finch roadmap. Post your proportio ndiagram in an hour. I'll be checking on you.

Also, don't use racial slurs, that ain't cool, buddy

>>6832664
just draw faggot
>>6832666
>dont use racial slurs on 4chan
Wait, isn't negroid a scientific term?

>>6832666
Thanks for the inspiration brother I just watched one of those gym inspo shorts and I'm fucking fuming with all that positive energy spirit to do work and shit but as the other anon said, I am a zoomie and I do have homework. I promise you I'll start doing the drawing shit right away in less than 24 hours.

From today on wards, I'm gonna be known as "zoomieartist2k23" so you know when I'm posting. Much love <333333

>>6832609
No you won't, you can't. You're a pathetic ngmi and you'll stay that way, no matter how much time you waste trying.

>>6832282
>Because, if I don't even have the techniques and the skill required to draw good, what point is there in drawing the end goal over and over again only to realize the drawing looks like shit.
Because practice makes perfect. Are you 10 years old? How is this not self-evident to you already?

>>6833153
>Practice makes perfect
*PERFECT practice makes perfect* ftfy

I just needed to get along with the "perfect practice" all this time to improve. Drawing the same dogshit over and over and over again did nothing from me, I can say this from personal experience because the thing I mentioned about followed a pajeet on yt and copying his thing wasn't only done once. I probably have 3 dozens of anime sketches/artwork I did that way, and guess what the practice didn't make me any better at sketching by myself.

What it did though improve my pencil handling skills, I still thank myself for being able to draw proper sketchy lines and spheres, and it also taught me a little bit about drawing eyes.

>>6832767
>t. picrel

>>6833419
Hey here's a wild suggestion: spend less time making shitty memes and fucking draw instead

>>6833419
>What it did though improve my pencil handling skills, I still thank myself for being able to draw proper sketchy lines and spheres, and it also taught me a little bit about drawing eyes.
Then you learnt something. You impoved. You can obviously follow some kind of resource and get something out of it. Why are you still here? Stop overthinking shit and keep drawing, faggot.

>>6831993
beg advice

>>6833419
Why would you come here, ask for advice, then turn around and say "nuh uh I know better" to all the advice you get?
Perfect practice does not make perfect. "Perfect" should, in fact, have nothing to do with it. Perfect is the enemy of good, and what you're looking to become is good, not perfect -- you said as such in the OP.
So either take the advice or don't. Either way, fuck off.

>>6832495
What are some good non-western books?

>>6833760
None
Even japs and gooks swear by loomis

>>6833760
This >>6834376
The gooks never bothered creating a good book, they just read western shit and applied their own sauce over it to create what anime art is today

Got access to my old sketchbook. Here's some of the shit I used to draw. Give needful advice on how bad it is and what are some key things I can take away from "how to draw comics the marvel way" (I've started with david finch's route, I'll make sure to integrate /beg/ and /asg/ along with this as well, though it's a bit difficult to properly organize)

>>6834782
Just draw more till you get the hang of it, your lines and shading will improve. Don`t forget to follow through the anon mentioned here.

>>6832666
figure drawing not going so good, I can draw the basic skellies but when it comes to "fleshing them out" yeah that's the part where I suck

plus the book doesn't even have exercises or anything there's just three examples of figure drawing and then the rest expands upon MAKING an actual comic with perspective,shading, panel design etc.

fuck bros, where do I go now? do I just keep on drawing the same figure until I can do it freely? I'm stuck on that thor figure they draw by sketching.

>>6833760
There are none, really. Loomis, Bridgman etc. have never been surpassed. If japs/gooks had a better one we'd all know about it.

>>6833484
Only advice in this shitty thread worth listening to, desu

>>6833419
>3 dozens
If you're expecting to have improved visibly after that anon, you're not gonna make it. try a few hundred.

>>6834780
ok but what do you draw now?

>>6837246
Read >>6836151

>>6836151
>when it comes to "fleshing them out" yeah that's the part where I suck
that's the anatomy part you dingus. Continue reading the Finch page, not just the first paragraph

For now, continue practicing cylinder figures. Go on quickposes.com, and draw the models there into stick mannequins. After a week of hardcore mannequinizing, learn your muscle placements and start your Bridgman passes

stop being so hard on yourself for sucking. Figure drawing takes decades to master

>>6830873
>Anime and manga style stuff. Anime girls/boys, cities, just the whole aesthetic you see when you watch anime or read manga. I
Pure pseudointellectual self-sabotage.

I wanted to do this too but after a near death experience I realized that what I truly want to draw are cute girls with fat dicks having sex, I have never been happier since I came home from the hospital and just sat down to draw women with fat horsecocks instead of whatever pseud manga garbage I was fantasizing about before.

I thank the gods for realigning me with my true purpose, really.

>>6837355
Also my point wasn't that you should draw women with fat dicks, just find something SPECIFIC you are passionate about as opposed to 'durr i want to draw uhh, the whole epic anime aesthetic bro, gnomesayin?'

The people who have that epic cool manga anime aesthetic got to it by using it as an instrument to tell a story they are passionate about and not by pseud grinding with no specific purpose in mind. It was "i need to achieve X in order to tell my story" and not "wow x is so cool imma learn that cause its like cool and epic"

>>6837349
well finch says I gotta get used to drawing cylinders and spheres for my heads, torso thighs etc. so that's why I'm tryharding the figure drawing stuff. Should I just move on to drawing "anatomy" (I'm thinking about using steve huston's figure drawing book for this)

>Go on quickposes.com
Any other SFW alternatives to this porno? I just opened up that shit on my computer and it blasted a nude sexy blonde with her titties covered and I'm so glad my parents weren't anywhere near my room.
As gay as this sounds, I'd much prefer clothed male models, female models work too but they gotta be clothed (like actually clothed, none of that skimpy slut outfits).

>>6837355
I don't get if this is a troll post but good for you bro. I hope you get dicked down by a hot dommy mommy bimbo slut with a 7 incher.
>>6837362
>just find something SPECIFIC you are passionate about
Well first of all, whatever I wrote in my OP was just to get words off my chest. Honestly. I just really wanted to scream and let all of you know what I really really have always wanted to draw (and what got me into the hobby in the first place).

Now when it comes to that SPECIFIC thing, yeah idk senpai. I'm interested in drawing robots, I'm also interested in drawing cars, then there's also the fact that I wanna draw a cute lil big tittied anime girl kissing captain marvel.....

>>6837380
>I hope you get dicked down by a hot dommy mommy bimbo slut with a 7 incher.
Thank you brother.

>>6837378
I forgot to mention, do I really need to make mannequins out of real life people? Finch said it was okay to take either irl or comic characters as ref.'s and work.

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuump