/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Good animation is like a humming bird. Make the key poses really good, then zip from pose to pose. That makes for clear acting and storytelling.

Animators never traced video footage because real life doesn't work in a pose to pose manner. It's a slush of indecisive movement. This is what the AI is doing here.

>>6828681
kys cris

>>6828681
Now make a short sequence of two characters interacting with a clear story

>>6828681
Looks like those ugly rotoscoping experiments that ended up getting abandoned because no matter how much cheaper they were to animate, it was worthless if audiences were repulsed by the uncanny valley feelings it gave them.

>>6828686
didn't disney do it a lot

>a few frames of some generic anime girl barely moving
>i input image to get out another image
I know the normies new craze is the everchanging random ai generations like being on an lsd trip or taking a tik tok dance and putting an anime filter on it.
But can ai do animation without taking existing works? Nope.

>>6828698
what's this from?

>>6828700
If i remember correctly it's Wildstar

>>6828702
>Wildstar
yep, found it thanks anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn8648VGMKM
quite sovlful, reminds me of the tf2 meet the mercs series a little

>>6828698
Complain on 4chin won't stop ai from progressing. AI WILL get better and WILL shit on all artists as long as artists still don't do anything about it and whine like a bun of pussy.

>>6828696
nope, no rotoscoping

>>6828707
>Complain on 4chin won't stop ai from progressing.
complaining on 4chins is what made people hate AI. I remember when AI shilling first began, and /ic/ was divided 50-50 on it. Because I spend those many hours in those AI threads last year, now 99% of /ic/ hates AI. This bled into Twitter, which lead to Steven Zapata's video, which lead to lawsuits.

Word of mouth spreads quick, doesn't it?

>>6828707
>ai will get better
>2 years later of non stop street shitting it still can't generate more than 2 expressions
>it still can't generate anything without taking existing work
>people are supposed to just be wowed and amazed by the render and black expression
>or lustful expression
>or the porn
That ain't how it work, chief.
You asked, i answered.

Can't wait for this grift to be finally over once whoever is developing this shit to sell it to billions to megacorps.

>>6828710
Oh and how well is that lawsuits going kek
>>6828711
Literally no more than 1 year ago, all of the shit you said were not even considered possible. You would be delusional to think AI hasn't cause a huge disruption to the art communities and now you think it wouldn't improve again?

>>6828720
>You would be delusional to think AI hasn't cause a huge disruption to the art communities
Yeah, because AI prompters keep spamming every possible site with this shit.
Anon, i'm tired and i simply want to create art with my own hands.
I don't want to care about AI.

>>6828681
>Shit gotten better
I dunno looks pretty much the same as the one where she is running on the beach

>>6828720
AI has been able to do what it's doing now since 1998.
The only thing that's changed is the hardware and time needed to do it but the results are as clunky as the 400x400 pixels whale flying through the clouds "dreamscape" pictures it was doing before you were born.

People claimed it would completely replace photo editors in a couple years, a quarter of a fucking century ago.

>>6828721
>want to see art
>get flooded with generic_anime_girl_with_blank_expression_staring_at_the_viewer_rendered_semi_realistically.png
>ignore, block and filter
>100 more pop up
>want to talk about art on the art boards
>ai threads get spammed 24/7
>it's always the same bait and bad faith arguments
As if i already didn't have coom and social media fatigue, now I've got ai fatigue.
>go outside
>it's full of normies
I just can't have anything nice.

>>6828735
what? those 90s/00s animations were not AI. Unless you've got something else in mind?

It's the most boring shit ever. TF2 animations that was just mostly stills look better

>>6828737
>>6828721
The most annoying bit of these mongs is pretending we are the schizos for calling them out while they keep spamming the same shit that has been posted/prompted several months ago, it's all just low quality shitposting and the same tired arguments. The fact that artists or people that are dumb enough to pay for this slop give them any glimpse of attention really gets them excited to keep doing it.
Next up is them trying to bait other anons into guessing if the image was made with AI or by a real artist, as if this board didn't have enough shitty threads.

>>6828698
I wanna punch the fuck out of her and whoever animated her.
AI slop sucks, but this style of movement is certainly up there.

>>6828681
makes me want to vomit

>>6828737
>want to see art from famous artist
>google results flooded with AI shit
I can't escape. gonna have to go to the library...

>>6828681
I think you should never post about ai on this board again. also stop filter evading by omitting that it is ai.

>>6828739
https://thegradient.pub/the-past-present-and-future-of-ai-art/

>>6828681
Rate of progress is actually insane.
Fully generated anime episodes by december. You've heard it here folks.
No stopping this train babyyyyy choo choo

>>6828756
2 more weeks sirs

>>6828744
They're so desperate for attention they'll take literally anything they can feed off.
Can you imagine living like that? Just spamming and baiting and then replying to everything with nothing but bad faith arguments?
I'd kill myself if i were them.
>>6828746
It's purposefully exaggerated to emphasize movement and you are only displaying cute aggression.

>>6828737
Nobody asked you to enter here tho. This is the attitude I just don't understand. Don't want this shit but still get on board the moment someone makes a post.

Is it that hard to just move on as we always do with half of the posts here?

>>6828739
Turn of the century tech magazines were bending over backwards to push "procedurally assisted graphics" and claiming it was gonna be the end of photo and video editors.

All it did was burn the components of anyone who bought Nocturne. Because for the image production industry all it did was whales flying through space and other surrealist shit, at a much worse quality than shoppers were producing because the data bases it could scrap from were ass.

The core technology hasn't improved at all since then, only the data base and hardware did. It's still the same retarded algorithms that can notice patterns but are completely devoid of context and can get wrecked by a little bit of malicious tagging.

>>6828755
Those art not ai generated pixels. telling a 3d model to move with a sine function is not "AI being able to do this"

>>6828755
If you think a plotter is the same as a diffuser then you are just trolling.

>AI will replace artists
Maybe in terms of commercial/corporate art, but artists will always exist.
We are not going to stop drawing/painting just because a machine can do it better lol.

>>6828761
NTA but considering they keep shadow bumping these post unless you kill them personally, AIfags could go fuck themselves to /g/

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>>6828769
baste

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Why can't we all just get along?
AIfags should learn to understand that we hate AI because it directly competes with our future.
And we should understand that there's no stopping this, it's already too late for that. It's time for us to be realistic and maybe look into different job opportunities/passions to pursue.

>>6828761
>Just ignore it while they spam every single facet of online art discourse and keep bumping their own threads and samefag as artists
>they are constantly spammed
>you hide one, 10 more appear
"AI prompters don't exist and if you say so you're a schizo"?

Who asked them to keep shitting on all boards? I don't understand why they keep going when basically all they're doing is samefagging.
I mean, i'm just one anon and i always get replies in these threads, because i'm the only actual outsider.

>6828779
>t.aifag/probably cris

>6828779
>fuck off cris
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tMDhztCAsKs&pp=ygUVRWF0IHNoaXQgYW5kIGRpZSBzb21n

>>6828758
>you are only displaying cute aggression
I love cute chicks ESPECIALLY ones with aussie accents, but the animation is so fucking obnoxious, trying to hammer the whole "look! look at how expressive I am!" shtick.
I just KNOW that the animator was jerking off to the 12 rules of animation while working on it.

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>Try to be realistic about the future on /ic/
>Get called cis
Figures.

>6828788
Keep being like cris and basically going it's over posting
>surprise to be taken for cris

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>>6828786
I'll give you that point that such an overly exaggerated animation can get tiring if done for too long.
But the point in such an animation is to demonstrate either the character's personality or the animators skills. Body language is how you actually do that.
In that case it was a promo vid for the game.

>>>/cg/

>>6828794
it could be an ugly alien doing the same motions and the reaction would be the same.

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>>6828779
AI will be made illegal. Not because it's morally objectionable but because you faggots are causing the public in general to detest anything that even sniffs of AI and companies will capitulate when the money they save in production costs from not hiring a render monkey are completely offset by the loss in sales from boycotts.

>>6828796
ok racist

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.:;'

>>6828794
what kind of schizo garbage did I just read?

>>6828798
Thank god the people behind the image on top are basically the opensource community who doesn't care about money.

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>>6828813
>opensource community who doesn't care about money.
hmmmmmmmm

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>>6828816
>don't care about money
>produce anime fotm slop with patreon access
hmmm?

'•'

well, hide and sage every, thread has been contaminated, I mean, it is already shit.

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>>6828818
>we don't care about money! Ai is all about democratizing art!
>pls donate to my patreon!
hnmmmm

>>6828818
Do you really think the guys making the big booba patreons are the same researching the technology? Because they are not.

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>>6828823
lol

>>6828824
Well anon ask who are the actual people using it doing

>>6828824
>Ai gets introduced
>first thing it does is generate infinite coom to get notoriety
>every ai peddler wants to make money off of this either by providing patreon access or offering generators for a fee
As everything in business, sex is what sells and helps advertise.
>Because they are not
The ones researching the tech only needed to let it out.
How would you even know they are not the same?
If it was me, and i wasn't getting investors, i would try to scam coomers out of their money to fund my research.
Even if i was getting investors i would use it to pocket some money from coomers.

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,+,

>no bro you don't get it! its free art! now everyone can be an artist! artists are so done!
>pls like and donate!
Why can't ai shitters just be honest?

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>>6828830
Except half of the people that research this stuff are not anon. Their names appear on their papers in arrival.org and most of them are either university students or recently graduated researchers. But I will not debate this further. My point is that if you believe that "following the money" and declaring that AI cannot be copyrighted will suddenly stop AI development then you are coping. Because the people that research it either do it for fun, to make themselves known as researchers or both.

>>6828842
Arxiv.org sorry

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>>6828779
>AIfags should learn to understand that we hate AI because it directly competes with our future.
It doesn't. It's literally impossible. Just look at this thread or past 3 years.

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>>6828842
Now tell me the legal names of those who run those ai patreon accounts to actually prove your point, because you're not having a solid argument there.
>declaring that AI cannot be copyrighted will suddenly stop AI development then you are coping
>Because the people that research it either do it for fun, to make themselves known as researchers or both.
wow, a bad faith argument from an ai shill? what are the chances?

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>>6828709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doQAmq94X1E&ab_channel=JonathanYudis

>>6828856
So the research scientist working at such places like Google and Meta are running a side gig for patreon coom bux to pay the bills? Yeah, that makes sense.

>>6828873
No??? There are humans outside of Google offices. And universities have new students and graduates each year. You don't have to trust me, just look at the Readme on their respective repositories and the authors of the arxiv papers. Most of the people advancing the technology in the open don't work at those companies. Basically because the ones that do cannot publish their results online and cannot be replicated.

>>6828779
its not about the art, its all about power

for years we've been called a failure just for even posting our own work that's its not good enough, that it looks like a child scribble, even despite the effort we put and the studies we do just to make a presentable art, we still get shit on, that we need to get good, draw 10,000 boxes, just draw, fundies, Loomins etc.

but still despite all that, its not even good enough to earn 1000+ views, that what we make will never be a masterpiece, never be a master of art, and not gonna make it

now.. we finally have the superior tool, to be on equal footing with them, and here you are bitching and very angry at us, calling us thieves and spewing hate at us

all we want was to be happy, that we've finally made it, we want to have success like them, we want to be like masters of our craft, and not to be shit on by likes of people here and in the internet just because we're interested in crafting art of our own

so cope and seethe all you want, it wont matter, WE'VE WON, WE GOT WHAT WE WANTED, AND WE HAVE THE LAST LAUGH

>>6828888
>"all we wanted is the shortcut to consume, get success and get likes without putting in the work because woe is me and retards like us called us bad!"
>takes pride and joy in deluding himself that ai generations are a product of his own
That's no better than those fags drawing flavor of the month anime girls by painting over pictures and having pronouns in bio deluding themselves that the numbers they got is genuine a fruit of their hard work instead of appealing to the lowest common denominator
>you're very angry at us
peak delusional cope
Your kind is more annoying, boring and unfunny than if i were to shitpost at 100% of my faggotry and autism
>b-b-b-but muh render! doesn't it look like a real photograph?!
still looks like shit because the intent behind it is dishonest and shallow
No amount of technique will save such art no matter what begs and laymen say

If you sought true happiness, you wouldn't try to make up for your lack of skill and self worth with ai.
>we won
>we got the last laugh
I've been laughing for 2 and a half years now
don't see myself stopping anytime soon

>>6828888
You're still a skill-less faggot, maybe if you spend some time practicing you could actually make something of your own instead of pretending like you made your AI generated shit

>>6828842
Nimrods will not be affected when payment processors ban ai, but you and all other scammers sure will.
As pointed above, this tech is 25 years old and it's only been problematic twice, when subhumans tried to make a quick buck from It.

>be cripple
>want to win a foot race
>get car
>"wow u guys r so angry only because i am faster than you! we're on equal footing now!"
to be fair
such people also firmly believe that socialism and communism is free money without working and living in luxury on top of that.
>"if we were living in socialcommunism i could pursue art and get all the rich and famous!"
if you'd be living in socialcommunism, you would own nothing, starve and be forced to work because no one would be allowed to not contribute.

>>6828779
I draw for fun and never had issues with AI bros, not sure what the fuss is about.
Why contain it? S'cool.

>>6828842
Lmao, do you actually think the company that made this slop machine would just spent millions to develop this shit just to give you free access to it forever? You are either a dumbass or pajeet shill.

>>6828900
that drawing on the left, I made that, and you know what? it got shit on "its not good enough" they say, "its low tier beg trash" they say, "you're not studying, doing fundies, or doing art daily because you have to be a wagie slave so you wont starve? ngmi" THEY ALWAYS SAY!!!

it killed my spirit and inspiration to just be better at my craft cuz despite all the effort I did, its trash

BUT NOW, AI IS HERE AND IT FIXED IT FOR ME, AND I'M HAPPY NOW THAT I FINNALY I MADE IT!!!!

I AM NOW A MASTER!!!!

>>6828921
I can tell you're probably baiting me but I'll respond anyways, the left isn't the best i've seen in my life but it's nothing to scoff at. You should take pride in the skills you do have, even if you don't see them yourself. I personally do like your art a lot, it gives me nostalgic feelings.

The AI version is the exact same style of every other single AI slop I have seen this year, completely souless and doesn't make me feel much of anything other than "oh, the boring AI artstyle again."

In the offchance you're not just a baiting faggot I think you should seriously consider continuing to practice and take less offence to people's opinions of your art, especially people here because they criticize art that isn't bad for the sake of helping you become better.

>>6828779
>Why can't we all just get along?
There are people on this board that refuses to learn how to draw
and they are artists, bad artists
AI fags outright deny that they even NEED to learn anything
>How can we stop bad artists that don't want to learn how to draw and are forever ngmi!
We don't, we make fun of them and scorn them because they taint our struggle.
We don't "try to stop" our own kind (people that actually draw), why would you think real artists will ever be ok with ai fags and that "you can't stop ai" is a thing that bothers artists

>>6828909
who here is talking about communism or /pol shit? are you good bro? This is some schizo off topic shit.
go back to watching youtube shorts and disapointing your parents brainlet. kek

>>6828921
From bad tier to vomit tier. Be proud.

>>6828681
It's got kind of a stilted look to its animation - it's also a weird in-between of 3D and 2D, it's not hideous, but I'd need to see a longer animation to know I feel about it.

>>6828686
>Animators never traced video footage
Rotoscoping. Ralph Bakshi did it often.

>>6828827
>B-b-but AI doesn't copy, a-a-and it's got near infinite ways to generate original images!
lol. I don't even hate AI, or am I particularly worried about it, but I get annoyed with how dishonest some of the peddlers of it are.

AI animation will never work. Animation is unironically too complex for machines to replicate without human assistance. This is why animation is a superior art form to illustration.

>>6828698
i hate how retarded anti-AI people are.
it's like you're all braindead retards that need to be explicitly told everything instead of understanding that these are all proof of concepts.
and instead of thinking about what becomes possible through this.

do you really believe that people will become less expressive just because the tools become easier?

>>6828921

>>6828954

>>6828954
dont care+its ai+youre ugly+pyw

>>6828945
Would you consider current AI art (even considering all its faults) possible 3 years ago? Be honest.

>>6828956

>>6828956
>>6828957
>>6828960
bro this is like boring as shit
would be even if drawn by human hands
Is anyone supposed to be impressed by how you can generate visual artworks without drawing?
This is the epitome of kitsch

>>6828961
pyw

>>6828962
good morning sir

>>6828963
lol

>6828720
>AI hasn't cause a huge disruption
It has, by spamming social media up with a deluge of saccharine diarrhea for normies to drool over for five seconds then keep scrolling. It's been disruptive in the same way that NFTs have been disruptive, namely, a vocal section of proponents who need to interject themselves into dialogue about art. And people who care about art are annoyed by people spamming AI for the same reason they were annoyed with NFT grifters.
>now you think it wouldn't improve again?
Why would artists give a shit if the technology improves? It was already discussed in these threads that technophiles, slack-jawed porn addicts and grifters spamming AI garbage don't understand that the crux of the issue is not about the technology. No matter how many tools you have under your belt, no matter how skilled you are at using them, without a developed taste and an authentic feeling to express, you will still only make highly-polished kitsch.

>>6828779
nice larp ai-san, now back to /g/

>>6828938
it does not copy unless it is overtrained or lacks data. like when the same image appears many times in its training data. for example like here, where it's a marketing material that probably appears in many different forms when you google bloodborne.

>>6828958
i wish you retards could at least TRY to be logical.

>>6828961
did you read my post? this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. it's like you lack a functioning brain.

do i need to EXPLICITLY tell you that you can just not use AI images, but your own hand drawn images as keyframes for these animations?
or what, do you think this only works with ai images as input?

>>6828960
>takes the trouble to paint it
>ai doesn't give a shit about your shading
May as well use control net and outright generate from the lineart

>>6828977
I wish you faggots would gtfo my board
>you don't have to use ai
Ok, why have you been spamming this shit for over a year on an art board then?
You don't draw+you're a homosexual
gtfo my board

>>6828977
>do i need to EXPLICITLY tell you that you can just not use AI images, but your own hand drawn images as keyframes for these animations?
This is a drawing community where you draw, sir

>>6828977
>>>/g/
We don't care. Leave or kill yourself.

>>6828959
Yes? Illustration is child's play compared to animation. The latent space for possible animations is several orders of magnitude larger than for still images.

>>6828960
>>6828956
I swear this thread is still up and made not to long ago and the AI shills really want to try this hard to go you should use it too right now

>>6828990
So you are dishonest, got it.

Why waste time replying to a fucking Cris thread?

>>6828977
Sure, but
>no computer = no more skills = no more art
The computer does it all for you.
It's like calling yourself a master chef by buying a bigmac and adding salt to it.

***** AI THREADS ARE NOW SOULFUL SKETCH THREADS ***** POST SOULFUL SKETCHES HERE *****

LOOOOOOOOMISSS

>>6828998
My soul is hard af

I'M GONNA LOOOOOOOOOM

>>6828998
Hell yes sister!
Sketched this yesterday pls red line

>>6828994
Not dishonest, just being realistic. I actually like AI art. It's amazing that AI can make good images now. Animation is a whole other matter and I don't see it working out.

>6828960
also still following what ever people tell you to make I see you still even making that girl that was on the steam page for the Devolver digital sale

>>6829000
MINE TOO

>>6828998
>>6829000
>>6829005
Stop posting ITT and go to /beg/

>>6829005
>better than 99% of ai
They keep losing and they don't even notice.
Fantastic.

>>6829002
that's actually insane. model? prompt?

>>6829008
gtfo my board

>>6828834
Patreon should have banned all AI prompters a long time ago obviously. Hopefully they will sometime soon.
Their efforts are nothing compared to the work of someone like sakimichan which I see plagiarised in many of the AI generations posted even here..

RSHRHSHHRTHESHH

I find it funny to people called generic chan
>NTA obvious btw

>>6829012
>Kujeesh
So artists were the indians all along.

HI (FROM LOOOOOOMISSSS)

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUL

>>6828959
I'm getting tired of this magically exponential unlimited ceiling bullshit
Cars made a BIG jump from steam to dieasel and now combustion engine has been pretty much the fucking same for 80 years

>>6829016
I don't consider ai grifters as humans.
Indians are a great people.

Strange days have found us
Strange days have tracked us down
They're going to destroy
Our casual joys
We shall go on playing or find a new town
Yeah!

>>6829010
It's just base SDXL 1.0.
Prompt is classified.

VA-VA-VOOM

>>6828982
i barely posted a few times in the last month you braindead fucking retard. and thaqt's when i started posting again in /ic/ at all.

>you don't have to use ai
where did i say that? are you capable of holding a conversation? or is AI_bad.exe the function of your brain?

>>6828986
do you love slaving your life away doing inbetweens? Or would you rather work on the keyframes, the things that determine everything that matters?

OH I FORGOT, YOU CAN'T DO NEITHER.
YOU RETARDS DON'T HAVE THE SKILL TO DRAW KEYFRAMES.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DO INBETWEENS EITHER.

when i look at this, i see potential and value.
when you permabeg crabs see this, you only feel threatened because you become even more worthless than you already are.

>>6828997
you don't have to make the computer do everything.
like with my example of keyframes vs inbetweens.
but this goes much, much deeper than that. you can let the AI do everything you don't want to do.
your own skill, meanwhile, is unchanged and you can choose to apply it wherever you want to.

people without any skill don't see this because in their case they can just let the AI do everything and it will be better than what they can conceive of.

>>6829003
>>6828990
>>6828945
what are you even talking about?
it's already pretty much working from just ONE or two images.
what do you think will happen if you use multiple images? there is no latent space for animation.
as far as i know, currently this is still just tacked onto the 2D AI stuff. and this is already showing to be working.

which part is supposed to be too complicated? you know that AI can even read the 3D depth from an image, right?
which part of animation is supposed to be too complicated here?

PRACTICING YOUR LOOMIS, SON???

YEEEAHHHH

HAAAAANDDDDDSSS

>>6829002
Wow that's really good.
I think it's over, artsisters.
If AI can make a masterpiece like that, we're all fucked.

>>6829017
nice loomees

MIX & MATCH & MIX & MATCH

>>6829032
THANKS BOSS HAMM & LOOMIS MY NEW FRIENDS!!!!

>>6829026
lmao the seething.

>>6829026
>it's already pretty much working from just ONE or two images.
But it isn't working. It looks bad.

OOH LA LA!!!!

>>6829026
>i'm just started posting
>posts the same retarded bs every ai shill has posted already 6 million times and has been argued to death
Bitch bloody sir, i don't give a boody shit
come give me likes and follow me https://twitter.com/Kujeesh

Maybe i'll even reply to you on social media so you feel less pathetic about your shitty existence

ALIENZ

/ic/ is literally mindbroken by computer noise
not sure if this is sad or funny

Help me name my newest masterpiece, /ic/

HEH HEH

>>6829041
>sovl
fukken saved

>>6829042
I knew this would happen. Just thought it would be later when animation would be solved.

<<<CARTOON GIRL HEAD PRACTICE SESSION

>>6829047
>not even a new IP
lmao

THE FUKIN' CRYPT KEEPER!!!!

>>6829047
if it's already this bad... oh man... the scenes when the next generation of art generators are released to the public.

SEXXXY ANATOMY STUDIES OOOO WEEE

>>6829042
>>6829047
>MINDBROKEN
>OMG THEYRE SEETHING
Which group of sexual deviant has a habit of using these buzzwords implicating the mental state of others when they have nothing else they can argue against?
hmmmm

>>6829056
I'd say "sure, maybe we're the trannies in this argument", but just take a look at the thread you're on.
Literally mental breakdown going on as I type this.

SHE'S LOOKIN' AT YOU KID

SOOOOUL

>>6829059
>a bunch of anons posting work in a shitty bAIt thread
>"omg they're like LITCHERALLY seething"
lurk moar, retard

>>6829059
Spamming an off topic thread is a thing as old as 4chan itself

>>6828780
>Who asked them to keep shitting on all boards?
They starve for attention, even just inducing rage is enough for them to jack off.

DO YOUR GUERILLA MARKETING ON THESE THREADS, ARTISTS ;‑)

>>6829059
found the tourist spammer

>>6829059
kek this.
anons are bashing their heads into a wall and this guy is like "he will not divide us!" lmao mental illness on full display.

>>6829068
No one can stop my orangutan wafer

BETTY BOOP BUMP

>>6828997
Exactly. An AI prompthack trying to convince us that he is indeed our peer or even superior is never going to work either. We obviously know what it takes to become a good craftsman/illustrator/artist.
We also know how easy it is to use this exploitative technology yet we don't because of moral and ethical reasons.
So when we see a technerd trying to dunk on us, trying to convince us of their own delusions, trying to justify or even legitimate their grift and vain pursuit of money at the expense of the art community as a whole we feel imediate disgust and disdain for them.
We know they're nothing like us. Simply parasitical, braindamaged, socially stunted technerds.

And of course you didn't create anything.
It's like ordering a comission from an actual painter and then claiming you made said painting. You just simply ordered a painting from a program.

INK SPILL SOUL

>>6829059
>There's a lot of mentally unstable people on /ic/
>That means we won
Not how it works. There's retards in every group of people.

YOU WILL KNOW MY NAME

>>6829076
So why are you so worked up over a computer program?

>>6829059
>literal mental breakdown
i dunno troonblr refugee-kun
this says more about you than the thread

THE STARS IN MY EYES!!!!!!

>>6829045
HAVE MORE ALIENZ ANON

>AIfags can bait /ic/ into shitting up their own board with retarded sub-/beg/ tier sketchbook spam
It's over, isn't it?

>>6828977
>it does not copy unless it is overtrained or lacks data.
How you can look at examples where it's copied segments of images such as >>6828938 , or see how it creates the same thing over and over (likely from a image it's particularly weighted towards) like with >>6828827 and continue to say this shit is wild to me. Who cares if it's going to draw from a wider pool if its dataset is larger? It's still copying from that dataset, we can see from the examples that's how it creates things, just fucking own it and stop being so dishonest.

>>6828956
Is top right AI? It looks considerably better and less bland than the bottom final image. Honestly the lineart/shading is already quite cute.

>>6829048
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>>6828998
Bringing some humanity back into these threads.

>>6829085
still more interesting than another garbage AI thread

KA BOOM KA BOOM
GUERILLA
GUERILLA
SUBTERRANEAN BRAND-MAKING
THANX AIBROS

>>6829076
Yes, how pathetic that they still insist on being taken seriously after doing nothing but spamming and dragging down the quality of art communities.
Simply because they didn't get rich and famous instantly when they drew the anime fotm in nude and now believe that if they buy bots and circlejerk in discord servers with their own and create nothing but sloppy noise; artist "will be jealous and envious of them".

Like bro, i just want to draw and have fun.

>>6829084
ALIEN HEADZ
OH MY GOD THEY'RE ALL FULL OF STARS!!!!

>>6829085
>anon trying to bait a pyw so he can post the ai equivalent of merc_wip
Bruh
come on
bro
seriously?
fr? no cap?

>>6829037
it animated the hand in >>6828681
just from knowing the beginning and end states.
there might be errors but again: what do you think will happen if you use more keyframes, taking more control over what should happen?

same with >>6828957 with what i assume to be using a pose input.

what do you think will happen as more and more options and tweaks appear, allowing you to control the process more deliberately? you know that currently, this is just some dud experimenting using EXTENSIONS for stable diffusion, right? SD isn't made specifically for this.

have you ever thought about any of this?
OF COURSE NOT
>"AI BAD"

>>6829039
i don't see any arguments, ever.
i don't give a fuck what shitty arguments you're already heard. i've never once had a satisfying discussion in ic on AI.
all i see are braindead mongrels like you that post like bots, argue like bots and might as well be bots.

i used this trip for most of the times i argue here. it's not older than a month.

>>6829036
i'm starting to become genuinely mad at the state of this shitty board and the discourse in general.

we're at a point where the anti-AI's understanding is so far removed from mine that retards genuinely think i'm trolling when i lay out my points.
watching you all collectively delude yourself is getting painful.

because i fucking understand art. and when i see these things, i can reason that
>wow, it can do/understand X now
>if it can do X, it will have the capability to do Y and Z
meanwhile IN THIS VERY THREAD you'll have retards talk about AI as if it is limited by coomshit, certain styles, or what some dude on twitter put out as a proof of concept.

>>6829095
>argues in bad fatih
>WAAAAAH GIVE ME REAL ARGUMENTS
pls sir, redeem the like machine

oh shit I'm outta pics, gotta take some more.
okay you can go back to debating the same tired talking points.
real talk: Artists, learn to play the game. These threads reach bump limit. Use them to your advantage.
And remember: AI cannot replace you, if you put YOU into your art.

>>6829095
lmao seething

>>6829096
>Anything I don't like, no matter how factual, is a bad faith argument
Tranny logic.

>>6829097
nice sketches anon, gj

>6829026
>>6828977
>>6828921
so telling me you've should of lurked before coming here again
>also saying you can use your own work for AI
>(YOU) need to already have the work
>says it makes better than if someone normally does it
I seen stupider pre-beg art and edits get more attention even shitposts with more value than stuff you keep calling "masterpieces"
>would you like to see any top reddit post with wojaks attach to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQH4___OHTc

Don't are how good it gets, I also don't care if I initially liked it. As soon as I find out it's AI I'm immediately repulsed and sworn off it forever, simple as.

Reminder that this is the person you're arguing with in these threads.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZ2N-HJbwA
This is what anti-AItrannies want to take away.
SHAME ON YOU

>>6829102
that's cool and all but no one ever asked about your opinion ever lol

6829099
>"it's factual.... BECAUSE I SAY SO!"
>wants to have a discussion about ai
>on /ic/
>"yeah bro im totally up for an honest discussion trust me bro"
Sir, bro, sir
come on now
redeem some fucking iq

>>6828686
>Animators never traced video footage
lol?

>>6828702
Wildstar's art and characters always seemed so good
Shame it died

>>6829042
>>6829085
>>6829095
>>6829099
>>6829109

>Lol! I'm about to post about ai again! Its so funny to waste everyones time even though nobody wants me here! (LOL) What an epic own! Backpats all around AI bros we really did it this time reddit! Look! They don't want me here but I keep posting about AI because it's such an easy win! Le epic trololo! Wowzers! I feel such a sense of accomplishment right now! Almost like when I make my daily masterpiece using a few tools like AI (which is just a tool by the way (Lol!( In case you were wondering!)) I won't go to /g/ because that would be way to easy and I would just be accepted without any drama, who wants that Lolz! I've been doing this for months now, #WorthItEveryTime!

>>6829100
thanx bro

>>6829116
Nobody is forcing you to enter this particular thread.

>>6829116
You forgot
>"wow im epic trolling the 4chan troll racist homotransphobes! epic win redditsisters! they must be sooooo seething and coping! wow i need to change panties cuz i got the cummies from my 50inch black dick dildo lmao! i wonder how my bbc threads on /gif/ are doing. Better post some butthurt replies and get the thread rolling! Epic!"

>>6829086
>Is top right AI? It looks considerably better and less bland than the bottom final image. Honestly the lineart/shading is already quite cute.
first and second are hand drawn, third is retouched after ai lazily, fourth is retouched with more precision

>>6829119
Make another ai thread bro so we can talk about how much this technology is going to be the future bro
btw i'm not kujeesh
trust me

>>6828681
what are you going to do with it?

>>6829124
Spam threads on 4chan

>>6829124
epic troll le evil pol artist on le 4chuds

>>6829086
because i understand how AI works.
and i understand how art works, and how my own memory works.

i thought like you in the beginning, but as i used SD, i realized that there is simply no way that it "copies". it can simply do too much.
too many different things, even if i gave it my own lineart, it would still be able to render it out.
now you tell me
>what did it "copy" to render out my own lineart and pose
>what did it "copy" to render out actual photographs based on your prompts?
do you think

have you ever drawn a pose in a certain way and wondered where that pose actually comes from?
some of it might be something you painstakingly constructed, but some of it might also be elements you simply "remember" or "have seen a lot".

what you have to understand is that AI "learns" and "applies". that means it is capable of copying in the right circumstances, but otherwise it will always recreate based on what it has learned.

everything you read here is supposed to give you one simple idea: that AI remembers ideas and art similar to how humans remember it: diffused in a network of neurons (nodes)

>>6829101
i feel myself lose braincells every time i reply to you.

i haven't used the word masterpiece once in relation to AI, ever.
now where might you have gotten this from?
ah right, you deluded yourself into thinking i'm some other anon
just like you delude yourself into thinking you are actually following the conversation.your entire post is nonsense gibberish.
>says it makes better than if someone normally does it
no. i'm saying it's better than what permabegs like you are capable of even at your best.
you have nothing to contribute or create so you only see AI as a threat instead of a tool.

>>6829131
Why don't you capitalize sentences?

>>6829134
the final /ic/ argument

>>6829104
quite a sad existence to be Chris I think it's nearing almost 10 years for his "perfect workflow" and still has fuck all to show for it

even the simplest games made in 2008 with game maker still surpasses his "work flow"

>>6829136
So why?

>>6829131
>because i understand how AI works.
Ok, since i am brainlet dumb dumb artiste i tell you how it works
>input images into algorithm
>program the program to differentiate between values
>attach keywords to images
>input keywords
>"AI" picks up images from the tagged keywords to generate a new image overlaying images for random seeds of images
>can give you multiple infinite outcomes of the same input
>only picks one at random or a few because it's more efficient
>the further it is developed, the smoother the program runs to deliver a most wanted outcome
>the program isn't knowing what it is doing
>nor can it know what it is producing
>it's just a lottery machine following a directive
Ultimately, It's an automated photshop machine that can only work on having access to existing works.

Get lost, newfag.

I asked chatgpt to come up with a somewhat encouraging rap for you artists.

AI's in the game, but don't you fret,
Your creativity's unique, it's something you won't forget,
So keep that paintbrush swinging, let your colors fly,
No AI can match your heart, your art's reaching for the sky!

You may scoff at the bots and their pixelated dreams,
But they're learning from the greats, even Monet and Rembrandt, it seems!
They might replicate your strokes, mimic your precise flair,
But they can't replicate the soul you pour into every layer!

Hope you liked it.

>>6828681
>What do you think?
I think if I never see another AI nigger post here it'll be too soon. Why do jannies allow this? It's certainly off-topic

>>6829148
>It's certainly off-topic
>artwork/critique
>asks you to critique his (ai) art
>off-topic

>>6829150
>ai art
>hasn't drawn it
>gets critique
>calls others jealous and starts shitposting about how no one understands ai
dunno mate
seem breddy offtopic to me

>>6829137
>continuing
fucking FNAF became a thing even with bad graphics yet he still looking for that "easier solution"
he's really going for the Duke Nukem Forever strategy of constantly delaying when anything new comes out

He still hasn't told me why he doesn't capitalize sentences. :(

>>6829110
It's the majority opinion, normies only value art because they can't make It. They already think digital is cheating.
AI is worthless to them because even if they don't know how it's made they know they could make the same slop themselves without the effort and commitment they admire artists for.

>>6829159
nta, but are you new?

>>6829164
No why? :(

>>6829162
So all art will be worth nothing in the future. Exactly what I've been saying for months now but you guys won't listen.
If everyone can create whatever they want with a simple prompt, there's not going to be a market for art lol. Human or AI, it won't matter. It'll be worthless all the same.

>>6829147
I only enjoy crab songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F71gpyuer2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODV6mxVVRZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9g-DT7hPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3nFWbRSYn8
and of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCqw-mMfJk4

>>6829162
Effort is worthless by itself. You are absolutely delusional. The problem with AI is that it doesn't reach great artist level yet, not muh effort. No one cares about the doodles you make except for (You) and your hugbox.

>>6829167
Then you are surely making bank using your incredible foresight.
Right, anon?

>>6829171
I invested in nvidia and it's been working out pretty well, yeah. You'd be smart to do the same, this is just the beginning after all.

>>6828742
RIP kitty0706

>6829167
yet your ass still be seen as worthless even when stuff is "democratized"
>>6829170
>posting on /ic/ known for crabbing
>AIfag calls /ic/ a huggbox
>remember I can go to /g/ to repost a some AInigga's prompt image and they're still going to prob praise if its remotely coom related
>says were delusional about doodles
>meanwhile these niggas keep calling shit masterpieces even with the most obv. mistakes
practically wants to live like this

>>6829166
its just when you are masturbating and typing on a keyboard, it's easier to not capitalize.

>>6829193
>Draws for approval from others
>"You aifags all just want to be loved! GROSS!"
What?
>inb4 "n-n-n-no I draw for fun!"
Then why care about AI at all? You can still draw your little pictures even if AI is better, little homie.

>>6829200
>Draws for approval from others
I draw for their disapproval.

>6829200
why come to /ic/ when you have almost 9 threads going on other boards
>and keep concern spamming it over on any little thing

>>6829200
fuck off with your strawman arguments.
we draw because we have to.
we're artists.

>>6829200
>why care about ai?
Because you fags keep posting it here.
>we want artists approval and attention so bad but we hate artist fuck you artists you only want likes and approval
Make up your mind, you bipolar estrogen addict.
But yeah, gimme dem likes already
i can't even wipe my ass with approval >>6829039
btw i draw just to like others posts and and fun with random people on the internet.

>6829200
also
>"AI"thread
>says it over once
>yep time to crab

now this is a crab thread only crabbing or crab posts for here on out

>>6829131
>because i understand how AI works
Oh cool so this anon is going to give the same trite bullshit technical explanation of diffusion respon-
>and i understand how art works, and how my own memory works.
>do you think
>have you ever drawn a pose in a certain way and wondered where that pose actually comes from?
>what you have to understand is that AI "learns" and "applies".
Holy shit, shut up. It's not an actual 'artificial intelligence', it's a chatbot but with images. It doesn't "learn", it just has another response that it randomly responds with if given the right prompt.

>AI remembers ideas and art similar to how humans remember it
I also refuse to accept an argument comparing how humans learn to machines, because SHOCKER, we're two different things and I shouldn't have to tolerate other people's work being collaged into AI images just because "that's how it learns".
Humans aren't going to create pixel perfect imitations of segments of what we're trying to copy.

>>6828954
>ahhh no don't let the multi-color stickman eat me, help!!!
I have no idea what this image is trying to say but the left """animation""" is funny as hell

>>6829142
How strange that the aishill has never replied to this but went on to spam another thread.

>>6829225
i'm still writing actually. it's complicated.

Why do AIfags always win these threads?
>Make bait thread
>/ic/ falls for it
>/ic/ tries to btfo aifag with "fax & logiq"
>It backfires and /ic/ now looks like a place for unwanted children
>/AIfag leaves the thread
>/ic/ keeps the thread alive by continuing to talk to eachother about how much they don't like AIfag
Every fucking thread.

>>6829104
>>6829137
Qrd?

>>6829234
>aifags win these thread because anons willingly take the bait and humor their retardation
I'm just here for the free (you)s and posting my work.

>>6829229
It makes no sense and it's wrong. There's your reply.

>>6829238
>it's wrong... because i say so!
Nice argument, Mr.Iwantedtohaveanhonestdiscussion.

Guess i win.

>>6828681

ANOTHER AI TARD THREAD

>>6829241
You wanted a reply not an argument.

>That one "kuveesh" indian or whatever who keeps posting his /beg/-tier doodles that he thinks will btfo AIfags
Can you stop posting your art online? I don't want my model to accidentally train on your "art"

>>6829246
Isn't that the same guy who got absolutely ruined by aifags in that chaos helmet thread?

>>6829245
You wanted to argue so badly. What happened?
AI got your peepee?
>>6829246
>pls sir stop posting art or i put it in the gacha machine
That will surely show me.
>>6829249
>absolute ruined by aifags
clearly not

>6829245
aren't you same niggas coming here 24/7 just be fags and wonder why no one likes you

>>6829250
I like your art, anon. Don't let the aifags fuck with you.

>6829245
>NTA that anon but unfortunately for you I'm jewish
>pointless arguing is baked into the religion

All it took is one drawing anon to make aipajeets seethe and cope so much they have to make shit up about some begtard with 19 followers and even threaten him to train models on his work

holy lmao

>>6829250
>>6829253
nta

>>6829232
meant for >>6829229
whoops

/ic/ seems to forget the golden rule of to the eyes of normies it doesn't matter how content is created as long as you make it for the consumer ergo no rules just tools. There is no "wrong" way of making visual art and as the saying goes you don't turn yourself into an artist it's the audience that does so.

>>6829254
I'll let them tho
I don't want to feel guilty for their inevitable suicides when one (1) could prevent that.

I am a kind artist.

>6829260
here nigga I won't (you) ya so you can tell us apart
>and can look for it manually

>6829263
I will always make fun of you anon if you say this but only do goyslop or fuckin give an anime loli and go you should "x" too

>>6828681

aitards have small peepee all they want is to be a cute asian girl

>>6829263
>no rules just tools
>so that's why we've been spamming 4chan for one year trying to annoy artists who just want to draw and get better at the manual craft
Water is wet, normies are fucking retarded.
If you want to talk animation, ai still doesn't belong here.

>>6829272
pic related has 900k followers on x
lots of other of thots have followers going into the hundreds of thousands
You can assume this shit is some chinese gov psyop

d-... did anyone ask for a janitor?

>>6829131
you type like a faggot anon and are followed by other AIfags or discord trannies in near your posts nigga and keep going
>I don't get why no one takes me seriously "as an artist my self"

>>6829279
d-d-d-... did I go to the wrong thread?

>>6828761
AIfags spam EVERYWHERE.
I wonder how long it will take before we won't be able to find a genuine photo of animal in the internet.

My mop broketed
Please don't fire me!

>>6829131
Upon reading this i realized this fag is full of shit
>no. i'm saying it's better than what permabegs like you are capable of even at your best.
>you have nothing to contribute or create so you only see AI as a threat instead of a tool.
This is like the devil trying to bargain for your soul by trying to make you feel shit about yourself
>"You suck anyway and you're shit, so just use ai!"
Fucking ultimate king of the crabs here
Boil yourself, crustacean

>>6828761
Ignoring problems just allows them to get worse.
I've been sucking it up for too long. I want solutions goddammit

>>6829142
>program the program to differentiate between values
kinda, they're basically "teaching" it at this point. like
'this is a chair'
'this is a car'
'these pixels are part of the car, these aren't,' etc.
literally teaching and learning, using a "mask" to point out things.
this part, btw, is mainly for recognition. because it needs to recognize what it trains on and be able to put words to the things so we can later prompt it using those same words.

>"AI" picks up images from the tagged keywords
>to generate a new image overlaying images for random seeds of images
nope.
your understanding completely breaks down here. in the first place, do you really think overlaying them would do anything useful? and you understand that any image will have many keywords in it, not just one?
again, the segmentation part at the start is only for recognition and description.

from this point, what actually happens is this (ROUGHLY):
- the "neurons" learn the training images by breaking them down:
- during the training the images are gradually TURNED INTO NOISE
- and this process trains the 'neurons', called nodes, whose weights change during this process
- they try to learn in the relationship between words and the image at each step of the denoising process.
- (kinda similar to how human neurons change when learning and experiencing new things. and no, i'm not saying AI are sentient or human like.)

- now, during the inference (creation), the AI takes a noisy image based on a random seed.
- and it does the reverse: it turns the noise into an image. again it does so gradually, step by step.
-it STEERS the generation using the input the user makes: so if you prompt a chair, a chair will gradually appear during the denoising process. and the chair will become clearer and clearer as the denoising finishes.
this is the basic process. latent space, embedding vectors, that it scales images up and down during this, all that is not super inportant to the fundamental explanation.

>Senpai fired me

>>6829307
so let's go over this
>can give you multiple infinite outcomes of the same input
yes, because it can have different starting seeds, meaning a different noise at the start making the image develop differently during the denoising process.

>only picks one at random or a few because it's more efficient
not even sure what this is supposed to be saying. or what exactly is supposed to be more efficient here..

>the further it is developed, the smoother the program runs to deliver a most wanted outcome
if you mean that more data leads to better generations, then yes.
but that is like it is with humans too. if you study a human from the front, you can draw that. if you know how it looks from the backside, then you can draw that too. the more you know, the more you're able to draw.

>the program isn't knowing whrat it is doing
>nor can it know what it is producing
first: how does this matter? at all?
second: it "knows" what words are related to what kind of "imagery". that's all.

>it's just a lottery machine following a directive
i am like that when i draw as well. maybe the figure leans this or that way when i start sketching, i draw what i feel like doing at the moment.
and then i build upon that.

what the ai is doing is similar.
it changes the noise based on what it "knows" and has "learned" in the training stage, where its neurons/nodes are adjusted. and it refines it further during each step of the denoise, effectively building upon the prior "decisions" it has made.

2/3

>>6829310
again, see pic related. >>6829307
you might think that this exact rose is in its training set. and that might be possible if its prompt was simple and the model wasn't finetuned. but in those other cases, it will just gradually DEVELOP the image depending on your INPUTS, the prompt (well, there are other types of inputs too, but nevermind that for now).
it might look like it aimed to copy this image of this rose, but what is important to note is that the image no longer exists, only what it has learned exists, scattered as weights in the nodes of its neural network.
it's kind of a "hindsight is 20/20" thing, where it does converge on that image using that particular input and that seed, but that image is something the AI came up with on its own rather than something copied from its training data.
if you understood my explanation, you should understand this too.

w-w-w... what will I do now? My life is ruined

>>6828921
Unironic SOVL vs soulless
Good going, AItranny

>>6828698
she moves like a zoomer tiktok video

>Perspective switches from the main character to her sister
>"Wow, I can't believe she got mauled to death by a pack of wild dogs..."
FIN

>>6829279
>>6829289
>>6829292
>>6829308
>>6829313
>>6829319
Someone turn this into an anime.
Kyoani get on it!

>>6828709
>>6828686

Rotoscope is a bitch work that Disney did it for half a century. Disney literally rotoscoped over the already video rotoscoped animations. Read a book nigger.

>>6829307
>>6829310
>>6829311
I ain't reading that, also you keep spamming this shit as well to people who don't care
>also keeps talking about efficiency
>fuck off cris

>>6829320
Sarcasm aside, what he just demonstrated is how the Ai is capable as a powerful tool for storytelling with various compositions and scenes. What more could you ask for?

6829307
6829310
6829311
whole point is
>"it thinks like a human"
>implying this hasn't been posted countless times already
>explains with nothing but buzzwords
Yes, it takes pixels and rearranges them;
It's automated photobashing.
A camera does the same in a way as it converts light, into pixels to reproduce an image.
>it learns
No, it's a program with a directive.
If you told it that 2+2 = 5 is correct, it would take that as true information.
If you told it a car is actually called a flower, when you told it to generate a flower it would generate a car.
It knows words because it was programmed to associate words with key elements.

You're either an assbolluted retard or a chatbot
It's automatic photoshop.
Just stfu already

>>6829263
Normies in normiebook are already using "looks like ai" as an insult.

>>6829330
I wasn't being sarcastic, I think it's cute. Obviously too short for an anime, but cute!

>>6829291
That's the culmination of post-truth if you think about It.
>You can't trust your eyes, you can only tow the party line

Also worth noting as another golden rule for this board specifically, whenever /ic/ is up in arms about someone or something that means something has been doing something very right.

>>6829088
I Like This One

>>6829348
Now you might want to explain what do you specifically mean, because if
>board is against ai
The reaction is fully justified and i'll give it my seal of approval as resident schizo.

>>6829355
>board is against ai
As I said, whatever the general consensus of the board is against it's worth looking into.

>>6829330
yes anon I see no matter how many tools they (you) have you still gravitate on being a basic bitch

>>6829331
>If you told it that 2+2 = 5 is correct, it would take that as true information.
>If you told it a car is actually called a flower, when you told it to generate a flower it would generate a car.
>It knows words because it was programmed to associate words with key elements.
if i showed you a bear and told you it's called a tiger, you would take that as true information, given no prior knowledge of either.
and this is not a joke, you do understand that, right?
but this is apparently all too high concept for your peanut brain.

this is genuinely funny in a hilariously sad way how you retards keep saying dumb things and think you have made a solid argument.

>Yes, it takes pixels and rearranges them;
it does not take any "pixels". the original image is gone. there is nothing to "rearrange". it changes the noise based on what it has learned.
read again and maybe learn something too.


>A camera does the same in a way as it converts light, into pixels to reproduce an image.
but it does so more directly.
here you have an entire neural network, something akin to a rudimentary brain, inbetween input and output. the input is not visual either, it's your prompt (cnet aside), and the entirety of the training data distilled into the nodes of the NN.

>No, it's a program with a directive.
...and? this is another argument i come across a lot. how does this matter? you retards genuinely lack the braincells to comprehend what an AI is. you always think of "sentience".

but yes. it's a program with a directive. one that has learned images well enough to create new ones based on words.
and no. you do not need to be sentient to do that. that's the entire reason why this is a big deal.

>>6829344
apparently you can't trust what you read either because it's all lies.
you already know the AI is stealing and photobashing after all :)

>>6829361
This is really an exception.
This is a board about drawing, not using program to do the drawing for you.
My IQ is maxxed out and I can't excuse it.
>>6829366
>if i showed you a bear and told you it's called a tiger, you would take that as true information, given no prior knowledge of either.
I would question that and cross reference my sources to come to an objective result.
>post is followed by nothing by demeaning petty comments
Pathetic.

Anon, it's just automated photshop and no amount of insults will change that.
Go steal some IQ tests or something.

>>6829366
you posted similar reponses before fuck off fag
>your paragraph essay basically go in the trash

>>6829373
>I would question that and cross reference my sources to come to an objective result.
the ai can't do that.
if you couldn't do that either, you would take it as truth, simple as that.

the ai can't do that because only learns during training. and it only exists to create images based on text.
rather than calling it a brain, it is like a chunk of a brain for one particular task.

>post is followed by nothing by demeaning petty comments
pathetic cop out. in fact there is exactly one section of insults, the rest is explanations.
you should genuinely be thankful someone is going through the trouble of educating you fucking braindead idiots.
i'm fuckign sick of the state of the artist community and how misinformed people are.

>>6829401
Bro if the artist community is so braindead and retarded, why don't you just join /g/? People will understand you. They'll talk to you. They'll like what you do. Why waste your time and energy sperging out on a board that is never going to side with you? What do you get out of this? Let people simmer in their own soup.

>>6829326
read a book yourself. Disney didn't trace the live action stuff they filmed, only used it as reference. google that.

>6829401
nigga

>>6829401
But i can do that, because i am human
A machine will never be human.
>calling someone a retard because he doesn't agree with you and not explaining jack shit is now an explanation
ok faggotron let me tell you how it is
>art board about learning to draw
>ai, which is automatic photoshop with no intelligence whatsoever and is absolutely just a program that follows a directive, does not create art, nor does it draw
It's a tool for hacks, retards and corporations to shit out slop to sell to brain dead normies like you and has nothing to do with drawing.

>you're misinformed... BECAUSE I SAY SO
You give transexuals one finger and they start intellectually molesting everyone with photobashed pictures.

You should be grateful i reply to you no matter the absolute brain dead, normie shit you parrot.
Now hang yourself on a wi-fi cable or something.

>NOOOO BUT AI IS INTELLIGENT AND TAKES PIXELS AND BADA BING BADA BUNG MAGIC COMPUTER MAKES ART!
>YOURE JUST STUPID BECAUSE YOU DONT GET IT!
>STUPID POOPOO HEAD AI IS THE FURTURE OF ART!!
>YOU PROBABLY CANT CONJURE AN APPLE AND NEITHER CAN I! STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME!
>YOU MUST BE SEETHING!
>AI CAN MAKE ART BETTER THAN YOU BECAUSE IT LOOKS JUST LIKE A REAL PHOTOGRAPH!!!!
>OMG UR SO STUPID AND COPING!!
AItards in a nutshell

>>6829416
ah yes. no arguments.
start talking about trannies.
start making a wild headcanon and call me a normie.
and i'm the braindead retard.

>you're misinformed... BECAUSE I SAY SO
you're misinformed because this is the extent of your ability to engage on this topic.
you couldn't do better even if you wanted to. we both know this.
you just say what you want to believe.

>But i can do that, because i am human
>A machine will never be human.
and then you wonder why i insult you retards....
why do you think that matters?
am i supposed to be bothered by this? am i supposed to think that AI is human?
what is going through your peabrain mind when you bring this up?

>>6829421
but you literally don't get it.
you just called it "BADA BING BADA BUNG MAGIC COMPUTER". despite me explaining the gist of it.
do i need any more proof?

>6829429
do you suppose people who tell you to fuck off care about your opinions anon

6 82942 9
>talks like a normie
>parrots the same shit normies do
>literally says AI thinks like humans
>then says he never said that
>you called it a bada bing bung magic computer
>this retard can't tell
yeah, if we wanted confirmation this is it
It's a bot

>>6828707
Good morning sir

>>6829114
>>6829326
It’s called referencing, not tracing. Dumb pajeets wouldn’t know that though

>>6828897
based principle full anon

bots will never be human
How does this make you feel, tincan?

Literally made for organic, human cock.

>>6829434
WAAAAH I DONT WANT MY MIND CHANGED
LEMME WALLOW IN MY SAFE SPACE
I BELIEVE WHAT I WANT TO BELIEVE
DONT YOU DARE TELL ME IM WRONG

>>6829435
>literally says AI thinks like humans
no. what i said was
>if you mean that more data leads to better generations, then yes.
>but that is like it is with humans too. if you study a human from the front, you can draw that. if you know how it looks from the backside, then you can draw that too. the more you know, the more you're able to draw.
>...
>i am like that when i draw as well. maybe the figure leans this or that way when i start sketching, i draw what i feel like doing at the moment. and then i build upon that.

>what the ai is doing is similar.
>it changes the noise based on what it "knows" and has "learned" in the training stage, where its neurons/nodes are adjusted. and it refines it further during each step of the denoise, effectively building upon the prior "decisions" it has made.

yes, i keep drawing parallels. but to your peabrain, that means
>AI=human
low reading comprehension, low intelligence, unable to argue or stay on topic, lashing out when cornered.
you're just the average fucking retard.

>>6829454
>literally using my shitposting tactics against the og
You will never come close to me, chipper.

Made for
Organic
Human
Cock

>>6829455
so you use AI for coomshit
and you still refuse to understand how AI actually works and keep parroting the misinformed anti-AI stances?

>he can't see pics
oh no no no no

>>6829454
>again /ic/ safe place
I generally just come to crab AI threads to bump limit since janny is useless
your expecting things to change by being a fag and shilling heavily
>"no your suppose to listen to me blog posts"

finish editing

ai threads are boring now
i dont think i will participate anymore

>>6829443
They literally call it roto-scoping at Disney.

People let the thread die already.

>>6829627
>>6829627
>>6829627

>>6828921
>>6828888
>Not even keep the same clothing or hair as your original shit
You will never be an artist, the "ai rework" is just throwing out 90% of your shit and spitting out something vaguely similar. You are a fraud and everyone around you knows it.

>>6828681
OP What the fuck, this is gorgeous!
AIrtists are the fucking future. Can't wait to see visual novels using this technique.

>>6829629
I think it's pretty cool.

>>6829634
Only the lowest IQ could possibly be impressed with himself over moving around some colored skeleton and typing in a prompt box then getting shat out less than 5% of what you originally wanted

>>6829642
NTA but how would you know what they wanted, or even what they did. Don't take yourself too seriously, brother.

>>6829642
Don't you have to go spend the next 40 hours drawing something that takes seconds to generate and still looks better? Cope and seethe

>>6829648
>Hmm I picked this color but I really wanted something completely different!
Here's your reply aishill

>>6829655
>I-It didn't come out right again, back to proompting AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
lmao

>>6829660
Alright brother, take care now.

>>6829629
i feel especially sorry for anons like you. because this is just delusion.
do you really think ai can't change the hairstyle, the clothes, everything basically?
look at this. this is something i made MONTHS ago, just to try it. (i know it has issues, but again, just a proof of concept)

i really wish artists were at least aware of the capabilities of AI when they talk about how bad it is or how it will ebb down and go away (lol)

>>6829629
or this. it was for a shitpost.
i removed a llama because it was shit. this is probably what people used to understand as traditional AI capabilities. but yeah, changing hair colors, hair style, all of that is doable for some additional effort.

>>6829690
>Different face, eyes, hair, and lighting, style
Keep dilating AIsister, you're below even pixiv coom artists because you will never be one

>>6829710
you're genuinely pityful..
there is quite litreally a slider that can constrain how much the AI is allowed to change.
along with many other settings.

>>6829722
I know about all your tricks and do not care. You are cut from the same cloth as a tranny. Desperate for validation

>>6829736
>but i knew and i was just pretending to be retarded!
sure sure

>I know about all your tricks and do not care.
lol no. you just desperately try to ignore it. that's what you're doing.

>>6829762
img2img and inpainting will not make you a real artist, the same as taking HRT will not make you a real woman. You are a joke, you don't belong here

Thanks mod. appreciate it.

>>6829690
Where's the gutsy skateboard scene?

>>6829801
i'm already a real artist and far more practiced than you.

lost an argument and now you're reduced to this.
and you were the one complaining about insults earlier, no?
genuinely pathetic.

how does that make you feel?

>>6829690
>i really wish artists were at least aware of the capabilities of AI

Are you retarded. Most artists know how it works and what's possible using gAI. They don't because it either fringes on their own ethical stance of stolen artwork used to train the very thing that competes within their market, or they just want to draw and improve their own skills. Even better some people have an established audience that doesn't want to pay the same value if you're just generating crap and drawing it over? Like are you fucking daft you dumbass.

Stop pushing this shit onto everyone just to try and gain some satisfaction that you can have the same "value" as an actual drawer or painter you pathetic sack of shit

>>6829822
PYW oh wait you wont cause you cant draw for shit dumbass

>>6829822
>I'm already a real woman
No
>Aishitter talking about practice
hahahaha

>>6829406
Because they know what they're doing doesn't have the same worth in actual drawing and painting skills. They want to change the narrative to give themselves the same standing as actual artists

>>6829830
they absolutely do not.
i'm literally saying this all in response to anon parroting dumb shit again. none of you comprehend what AI can do.

>ethical stance
laughable. that's like saying i should pay or leave a homage to all of the countless artists who i have studied and collected in my inspiration folders because i like their art.
and here you probably think i'm trolling or joking, but i'm not. this is a working analogy. it's based on how all of this actually works under the hood.
and it's the reason why you're all parroting misinformation when talking about ethics or anything like it.

>or they just want to draw and improve their own skills.
and that's fine. what does that have to do with me, who wants to improve the way i integrate AI in my art workflows? who is interested in hybrid approaches? new techniques?

>Even better some people have an established audience that doesn't want to pay the same value if you're just generating crap and drawing it over? Like are you fucking daft you dumbass.
it's worth less for pure illustrators. but in any sequential art field as well as in more production oriented work like gamedev, you'll find it to become valuable.
and the main reason people don't jump on it openly is because of the stigma associated with it.
the stigma that the anons around you here are trying to build even RIGHT NOW.
it's more of an agenda and an irrational outcry than a real stance that is based on fact.

>AI is always shit
>AI always looks like this or that
>AI artists have no skill! are lazy!
>AI is a photobashing machine!
>AI BAD!
all of this is just cope. they can be true but none of them are fundamentally true. ai will be a tool, a very advanced one, but a tool nontheless.

>>6829406
i come from /g/ although i'm an /ic/ oldfag too.
point is, there are things that are more relevant to ic than g when it comes to AI art.