/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

The last thread was good. Let's try not to crab on each other.

How can you improve this painting i feel like the colors are kinda dead?

>>6822365
Must I only copy one artist or can I copy multiple artists to combine traits I like?
Sorry for reposting.

I've been trying to do hampton's construction method

Are these any good?
How many more before I can start doing characters?

>>6823056
>How many more before I can start doing characters?
1000

>>6823056
if you can't see how some of those boxes are fucked, you might want to do some more observational drawing

>>6823060
I do know.

I have some heavy difficulty specially with the perspective and turning of torsos

I was wondering if it was at least passable

>>6823067
>>I have some heavy difficulty specially with the perspective and turning of torsos
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/ribcage-and-pelvis-9b24894e318d4f37b7a10692d77b8343
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/ribcage-2af009979b94457eb764fc7b742ec87d

>>6823056
hey
at least you got the proportions right
GMI

>>6823056
>Are these any good?

They are. Now finish them.

(dont laugh at this face please, it's a tricky pow)

So I tried to make an anime art referencing a photo, how is it?

>>6823052
copy multiple, copy whatever traits from whatever artist you think look cool and develop a style first while grinding fundies on the side so you actually have something to apply it too

>>6823126
Holy shit that's so cool
I want to draw like you one day
I'll give it a try drawing the rest
thanks anon!

>>6823059
1000?
Sounds reasonable
I'll do that and I'll report back here!

>>6823092
>>6823096
Thanks you guys, you guys are awsome

>>6823128
its...

>>6823157
This is the best i could do. It looked much worse before i redrew it like 8 times. Repaint would be appreciated

>>6823052
Just draw every day

>>6823175
Look who's here. Haven't seen you in years

>>6823128
>>6823171
it's honestly not that bad, i think the main thing is that the head is too small for the attachment to the body, the shoulder/neck area looks too wide so i would just take it in a bit. otherwise, it's a pretty interesting style, i like it

>>6823207
I checked my layers, seems like i've been making her head smaller and smaller with each iteration.

I can see it now, after you showed me. Both the head and the neck issues

>>6823056
they are fine, but i would recommend you start utilizing shapes that are more similar to the actual body's forms to construct them. it's the best way to practice 3d forms and construction while still building up your ability draw the rest of the body.

>>6823145
Thank you, that's exactly the answer I wanted.

>>6823229
That's pretty smart.

I mainly use boxes because they are easier
As you can see I'm already messing that up XD

The ribcage does sound like sound I need to get it out already

And I was afraid of the tapered joints because I didn't want to deform shapes too much

Thank you anon!

>>6823056
>>6823052

Studies of some of Watanabe Akio's work and also a quick painting study.

I fucked up bad somewhere along the way

I'm scared I'm not gonna make it

>>6824303
>I'm scared I'm not gonna make it
That feeling only grows.
Anyway to my untrained eye you didn't add any tilt to the hips but you did seem to draw the pants like that, leaving a clear hole.

>>6824303
Are you really copying AI shit? God this board gets more retarded by the hour.

>>6824303
listen man i know it's ai but you couldve at least stuck with 1 hand style when copying

>>6824303
why are you studying ai you retard

>>6824514
How can you even tell it's AI?

>>6824533
nigga look at the fucking hands, hair and goggles

>>6824533
biggest ngmi of /ic/
>>6824303
second biggest ngmi of /ic/

>>6823175
this better be from 5 years ago or more

>>6824545
>>6824550
I just figured it was ultra stylized.

The real secret to making it is having arms like these, apparently.

>>6824533
https://twitter.com/Peargor/status/1513871628341493771
this is the original pic, at least you are not as stupid as whoever needed AI to draw tits on top of this character

>>6824574
wtf asian jeans are real...

>>6824574
Is getting swole important for drawing?

>>6824550
you don't draw faggot

>>6824621
Yes

>>6824707
>y-you don't draw
absolutely pathetic, AI retard

Day 15 of learning, I tried to make my own drawing for the first time instead of doing a copy of another work, using multiple references to create a piece
i could spend hours picking apart the mistakes i made and trying to correct them but i feel it'd just be a waste of time ultimately

please respond with criticism and critique, and be justly harsh in areas I have major fuckups in!

>>6824723
Keep doing it. I assure you won't get much out of critique at your stage

>>6824723
Is that Tim Loechner?

>>6824734
the references? left is @timbougami, right is @morearea

>>6824736
>@timbougami

Yeah, that's him.

>>6824741
oh ok
yeah i really like his art so i've got him logged as one of my go-to's for references in the future

>>6824726
>Keep doing it. I assure you won't get much out of critique at your stage
yeah I suppose! I'm just trying to get more into the idea of accepting and internalizing criticism early on, plus I really don't like only receiving compliments like "oh you did good" because it makes me feel like what i'm doing isn't actually being looked at, because even as a beginner i can see numerous mistakes

>>6824723
keep at it, doing more original drawings will always help you in the long run

>>6824723
HOLY FUCK IT'S FUCKING OVER

>>6824723
>copyfags will defend this

>>6824890
It's not that bad. I was worse at day 15.

>>6824838
>>6824890
would you mind giving criticism instead of memeing about what i drew, so I can improve in the future?

>>6824948
dont reply to crabs

>>6824621
Imagine a muscular guy like hide channel fucking your anime girls. That is peak NTR if you ask me.

>>6823791
Awesome, I'll keep this technique in mind, but can I see an example using this image? You don't have to draw a copy, just fill in the relevant spaces with color so it makes a bit more sense to me, otherwise I won't have any idea where to even start.

I can't do backgrounds yet. Or anatomy.

>>6825400

>>6825525
naruhodo

what's an inking brush for CSP that'll look real good with screentones

>>6824303
KEK Almighty

>>6825553
I just did this one using the mapping pen from csp

>>6822743
What counts as "good"? And can something bad still appear good? If it was just symmetry then istock anime faces should be the gold standard how do you learn the nuances

I worked on this one this weekend

About to ink these.

>>6822743
>>6822743
idk if I made something that's overcrowded and ungly without contrast and composition that conveys something yadayada

YOU TELL ME!!! >:^oo

>>6825988
the skuin dentation needs work also that arm needs a better form it looks like a cylinder, armpit is fugly too.

>>6825761
Any clue on why the taper setting for mapping pen seems to work backwards and gives me less of a taper at a higher value? Also at very low value quick strokes have some weird super-thin line at the end

>>6826327
here are the pen settings i used to make this drawing, with the pen you have to draw big, pages of manga/doujins are normally done in 600dpi B4 size(4299x6071)px in monochrome mode
try spending time tracing doujin pages at original resolution like this one
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/70133643
the artist, gk blue, streams on pixiv sketch and uses the mapping pen to ink too

>>6826043
just inked them.

Special thanks to all the anons that helped me over the past few weeks, how does this look?

>>6826564
Character I was referencing.
Do I make the tits bigger (tbf I don’t think the series draws her consistently)

Is this how you're supposed to adapt the loomis method to fit stylized faces?

does anyone have that video of the Chinese guy doing the accuracy images?

>>6826625
LMFAO

>>6826662
It looks fine to me

Redid the Veemo.

Studying Syamonabe's faces but with my own spin on it

I think I found out some aspects, I changed the eye shape a bit to my own tastes but I think my facial construction has a bit to go

Studying Syamonabe's faces but with my own spin on it

I think I found out some aspects, I changed the eye shape a bit to my own tastes but I think my facial construction has a bit to go

>>6826564
>>6826568
Also this

Another study.

It's been 3 years and I don't feel like I've improved at all, I feel ngmi, is it finally time to accept I don't have what it takes and put the pen down?

please help, i want to use clip studio paint but i can't as i can't find a brush that works, if i go to paint tool sai i can use the defauly brush easily.
I can't with clip studio paint.
And yet I tried doing the pen pressure adjustment on it but it's not as good.
Is there a default brush that's as good as paint tool sai's

>>6826871
Mapping out eyes on anime heads is quite difficult. I just don't get how to think about it, same with foreshortening facial features.

>>6827164
i recommend drawing circles on paper for like half an hour and then trying to get that working on digital. You've use paper your whole life in school and other place you just need to transfer that confidence over

I'm dead serious. Proko made a video on this and it helped me out so much.

>>6827181
To be honest, each software has a different programming, some use GPU others use the CPU more, some have support for multi-threading and some don't. This is why Krita is amazing for me but when I try to sketch on clip it just feels off for some reason. There is no real magic brush out there that will fix your problems so either try new software or just mindlessly download thousands of brushes on clip and hope one of them feels good.

Outside of copying, what are some good exercises and drills to do?

>>6827199
Actually applying what you're studying to a piece you are making -because let me tell you- grinding is a complete waste of time if you aren't using it.

let's say i draw a set of pics of one popular character in different outfits, how should i go about posting them on X to maximize reach and interaction? should i post multiple posts over a short time or should i post one post with all the pics to make it stand out more?

>>6827199
Gesture drawing

>>6827199
>draw through circles like proko
>do the bean like proko/ethan
>stroke and darftsmanship practice from peter han
>draw basic skulls and arms and rotate them
>rotate boxes getting the perspective right
>color, shade and highlight and other things your artist does but from scratch and try to get it right, without refferencing until done
>get a normal person and make an anime person out of them

>>6827206
>>6827262
>>6827351
Thanks bros. I've been drawing what I like for a while and I can see improvement and I have fun, but I've been getting more and more walled by basic shit such as making my poses work and look nice, posing all the limbs or rotating the body correctly

>>6826625
Does ANYONE knows if these are right?

Please! I am begging you! I am on my knees!

I'm so tired of retards just saying "le construction le bad" while not explaining why or giving any alternatives

90% of the threads are just people talking to themselves or arguing about the most brainless things possible while NOT DRAWING

Holy shit this place stinks. No wonder all the good artists are gone.

>>6827510
i'm drawing in stable diffusion

>>6827510
There's no "you're supposed to" in art. Do whatever you want. I haven't seen anyone do exactly what you're doing though. Also some of those perspective lines don't match the drawing

>>6827114
>>6824035
nice job
now im going to study your studies

>>6827529
I'm not looking for size fits all
I just want any semblance, any morsel of guidance

People here tell you to study the books, but when you do they tell you, you should copy instead

When you copy the say you need construction instead

All the books recommended use construction. but apparently you're supposed to copy instead

>I haven't seen anyone do exactly what you're doing though

It's the loomis method (maybe a bit fucked)

hide uses it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWEKKwKZtWU&pp=ygURaGlkZSBjaGFubmVsIGhlYWQ%3D

minimaru uses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0qnJmR4YY&list=PLMzSsN13py1hIz1Q-s49LWF-IkKna9Swv&index=1&pp=iAQB

yusuke murata uses it, miura used to use, a bunch of JPs recommend loomis

but then I come here and it seems like it's a foreign concept

How do people here do it then. I want to know. that's what I'm here for. advice. critique. sharing ideas

>>6827514
based, which board do you frequent? I'm connoisseur of stabl/e/ diffusion myself

>>6827557
>hide uses it
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWEKKwKZtWU&pp=ygURaGlkZSBjaGFubmVsIGhlYWQ%3D [Embed]
>minimaru uses
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0qnJmR4YY&list=PLMzSsN13py1hIz1Q-s49LWF-IkKna9Swv&index=1&pp=iAQB [Embed]
>has all those detailed resources about construction and still doesnt understand
people are just too fucking retarded and just blame this site as a result
regarding this shit >>6826625 seems like you are just trying to study proportions, cant see any 3d shape there
>People here tell you to study the books, but when you do they tell you, you should copy instead
>When you copy the say you need construction instead
you need to do both retard, both!
everything helps, construction is more like a tool to help you understand 3d shapes and copying other artists will help you learn shapes because at the end of the day drawing is just all about shapes
see drawing > simplify shape> copy shape > recreate shape

i dont know why you newfaggots niggers dont watch those videos in OP

>>6824035
idgi, which is yours

>>6827557
I would suggest using a small circle to position the placements better.
Maybe use curved lines to map out the features further.
I'm still learning but I hope this might help.
Construction is necissary for copying accurately and effectively.
Ganbare anon

>>6827600
I watched that years ago...

>>6827600
>>has all those detailed resources about construction and still doesnt understand

yes! that's why I'm here. that's the point
I'm asking questions to troubleshoot.
If I understood why the hell would I be asking?

>i dont know why you newfaggots niggers dont watch those videos in OP

You're crazy if you think krenz mumbling about nothing for 3 hours is going to make things clearer for anyone

>>6826625
>>6827510
>>6827557
It's incorrect because the plume line are doing all the work rather than the loomis head itself, which is better suited for realism. You gotta find what proportions and construction works for YOU rather than look to win clearly bad faith arguments from bitter ngmis and nodraws on 4chan. If you are desperate to an artist that uses construction to draw than you will apricate

>https://www.youtube.com/@kuzuvine/streams

But again you really have to find what methods work for you at the end of the day.

>>6827669
Fucking this

The ball is such a /beg/trap unless you actually understand the form and corners of the face. Many artists use the guidelines differently too and often omit the ball and go for a more oval shape, feeling the top of the head and it's corners are the most important. It gets meme'd but learning actual realism will help you understand how to better use the construction methods and you'll hopefully figure out your own method. You'd honestly be better off trying to learn from 3d anime wireframe topology than trying to use the loomis method while you're lacking an understanding of the form

>>6827669
Thank you Anon. Thank you very much.

It's just that this is supposedly the last bastion of the art community on the internet

Twitter is well...Twitter
Tumblr has no community aspect to it
Discord is mostly full of drama and people wanting to show off
Misskey is JP only
Mastodon is in it's infancy

If I can't ask here. I'm kind of on my own, just hoarding resources I barely know how to apply
And with so many courses and book, it's hard to know which one would be good for me you know?

> you really have to find what methods work for you at the end of the day

I went with loomis because I'm going for a not so stylized look for my drawings (Something like ghost in the shell 1995)
Loomis is apparently good for realism so I figured. "hey it could work!"

But you are right.
There's no point in arguing here.
Thank you for the recommendation though. I'll analyze some of their streams

>>6827649
>You're crazy if you think krenz mumbling about nothing for 3 hours is going to make things clearer for anyone
you might be just stupid then

>>6827694
>And with so many courses and book, it's hard to know which one would be good for me you know?
They're almost all shit and almost all the same.

So I get you're meant to primarily study one artist for a while, but what if I can't decide on an artist to choose?

>>6826662
Funny how Pretentious snobs never ptw

>>6828192
Ultimately, the one artist we're primarily studying is our own self, so just pick whatever instead of listening to youtubers.

>>6828192
theres nothing stopping you from studying multiple, just pick which aspects you want to study about them and dont go overboard

>>6828192
>you're meant to primarily study one artist for a while

No. Study anyone and anything you want. Art, photo, sculpture, real life, art books and tuts.

when you guys try to draw bodies in an anime style, do you try to copy actual anime or other artists or do you use a real person as a ref?

>>6828814
>other artists or do you use a real person as a ref

These two, but mostly first one.

>>6828814
I dont use refs

Does anyone have a collection of pose collages for doing exercises like this?
And where can I get them online?

>>6828940
Oops that came out bad, here.
He calls it the "shape cut & draw from memory exercise"

This is my first time ever doing this, am I doing it right? What could I change?

I tried to see if I could recall the lines from memory like Krenz says to
Here's a side by side, sorry I know it looks terrible.

I also tried this one. I feel like the first one went the best, but I may also be tired

practice in my style

I also tried copying a face here. When I bring out my grid tool I find that the references face takes up three boxes horizontally whereas my copy takes up 2-2.5

>>6829480
Tried stretching it with the transform tool now.
Should I keep the grid on when copying in the future?

I feel like she has a vague cuteness to her now. With more tries we can bring this out properly.

It looks nothing like the reference, but at least now I don't want to puke at my drawing.

are there any good anime studying books that are japanese and translated to english? something like proportions, eyes, mouths, expressions, hair, etc. the basics but expansive at the same time.

Does this look ok? I tried the circle, rest of the face technique. Im still shaken though faces are my least practiced area

>>6829798
just learn basic proportions and slap your anime style on it you don't need a book to tell you how to do it you dumb nigger.

>>6829865
doesnt look very anime

>>6829936
ew, post your western "anime" art lol.

>>6830010
and that would help you with your problem because... oh yeah it's just so you can cope, keep being a ngmi, also you would be better posting your work so people can tell you to fuck off to /beg/ right away or help you if theres a few things that can be improved, but by your reaction im sure you are just another day 1 begtard with the attention spam of a toddler who needs chinky cartoons on her books to grab his attention.

>>6830025
oof spicy. someone is upset their "art" didn't get noticed.

what's this?

https://files.catbox.moe/xqtwz6.mp4

>>6830368
A trad reproduction sweatshop. Pumping out copies to sell

>>6829798
>the basics but expansive at the same time.
This is a good question, you can find a lot of western books on anime for 8-12 year-old kids on Amazon, but nothing comprehensive or expansive. Wasn't there a Japanese woman who published a good one this year? It was posted here several months before it released.

>>6829936
>just
Shut up beg nigger, show me what you're capable of before talking that big.

I'm guessing this is the thread to ask for "how to draw tips". Had quite a few words to say so I made a thread >>6830873. Hopefully I can get some clear and concise help regarding the situation I'm in.

Thanks folks!

asking again because I wasn't replied to. Does anyone have the link to this one youtube video where a this guy is doing accuracy images. The thumbnail has a dog and the title is in chinese

>>6831437
You shuold be able to find this one yourself I think I know which one you're referring to .
Are you sure it was on YouTube though not BiliBili.

Maybe it was Toniko Pantoja I can't remember.
Maybe Krenzieboyyyyyy. idk.

>>6827557
>People here tell you to study the books, but when you do they tell you, you should copy instead
>When you copy the say you need construction instead
>All the books recommended use construction. but apparently you're supposed to copy instead
it's all of the above
>>6831689

>>6831629
It was on youtube and it wasn't the ones you showcased. I should've been more clear, the specific video had this dog cartoon he was doing accuracy training with. The channel itself is a bunch of studies and whatnot and the language is in chinese from what i remember

>>6831816
You sure it's not Krenz? Pretty sure he draws a cartoon dog in one of them

>>6831816
>>6831830
https://youtu.be/dgjx6y6B_G8?si=oSgmqEGf8HCmjfW5&t=5321
Yeah he does, do you mean this cartoon dog?

>>6831437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK5Qn_Iwv9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBI220M6EMY

redpill me on artists with a bit more stylized and less generic anime look, like PSG's art style for example

>>6831950
another example like this

>>6831950
10 times more likely to get a follow from me if they're at least decent.

>>6824303
you have enough (yous) but this ""practice"" is an abomination

>>6824723
keep going, you don't need critique right now, you need to make another picture

>>6825761
>>6825988
this looks really nice, do more

>>6826625
do not use loomer for anime faces or you will FEEL PAIN, copy your favourite artist instead

>>6825525
you've given this character third degree burns on her face for no reason the original looks better >>6825400

>>6829396
>>6829411
>>6829431
whatever this is, stop doing it

its FLAT

>>6829467
looks nice but you've squashed her face on the left side, you could drag it out or use liquify and it would immediately look much better

>>6829480
>>6829486
>>6829497
>>6829510
your construction is incorrect which has damaged your end product, the nose ride is nothing like what you've drawn, observe the nose ridge and eye sockets you've placed, they're exactly the same width and FLAT

>>6829798
post a page (or two) maximum and I'll translate it for you

>>6829865
looks good, finish it


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NOW that THAT is out of the way


could a kind anon please post a good rendering guide? I'm completely filtered by rendering and don't want to remain a baselet

thank you

If I rotate this normal cube 22.5 degrees and that gives me a 3:1 ratio what if then the side of the cube facing away from me is twice as long, what does the ratio become and how do I calculate this?

>>6826625
Looks good

Does anyone have a resource that talks about b&w -> color specifically for anime?

So overwhelmed on the whole topic of "HOW" to get started. I've gotten enough tips on how to "IMPROVE" but now how to just dive right in. You may say, "well what's wrong with just drawing what you want bro?" to that I have to say, what's the point of drawing what I want to draw (over and over again) if the end result is going to be shit? You gotta learn numbers before you can do algebra. Same analogy applies here. More on that at >>6830873

Sketch isn't perfect I know, I'll fix later. But does anyone know of any CSP brushes that paint like this?

Doing a master study on a Pako illustration, but I have a question about studying the hair
since there's no real "construction" with the hair, is just following the contours and trying to understand the "flow" of the hair all there is to studying it?

also let me know if I'm fucking anything up, Day 17 of learning

>>6831816
there, we know you're a faggot now.

>>6832965
>master study
You are just copying like a braindead monkey...
>also let me know if I'm fucking anything up
dude you have the fucking ref right next to your copy

why are my lines so bad, theyre like whispy and nothing feels solid, are there any resources on line technique specifically

>>6833001
what's wrong with copying? even artists like saitou and hide and other big ones say studying by copying is one of the best ways to learn

>>6833009
Nothing. You'll just trigger the fundie drone retards if you say master study. You do need to learn to copy better before trying to do this. Read keys to drawing.

>>6833003
your picture has appeal anon、finish it

>>6833003
Show the tits

Had a go at these.

>>6833387
DROPPP THE SAUUUCEEEE I GOTTA NUT I GOTTA NUT I GOTTA NUT PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP

>>6833420
Syamonabe: Oshiete Lillie (series), ALOLA!, Stand by me

>>6833387

I keep seeing posts that signal to everyone else you shouldn't be posting original work here. And they're tolerated for some reason.
Do you guys just like seeing anime head and eye copies over and over? Is that the message?

>>6833015
>>6833015
Yeah I need to read some of those books, I tried early on and it just wasn't clicking with me
maybe now that i'm a little over 2 weeks into drawing it'll work better?
anyways I started the line art today, I know it's just a copy of someone else's drawing but i'm really happy with how it looks right now

>>6833576
This thread has no future as long as it continues to copy anime poorly and having the mentality they dont need to study anything out of it.

>>6833786
>pyw
>exact 1 to 1 copy of reference
>AI or traced
>reported for stealing the copy as your own
>get bullied from never posting again

>pyw
>copy looks like shit
>redlined by another prebeg
>bullied from never posting again

The duality of /asg/

Is using grids like this cheating?
Will I learn anything from doing this?

>>6834124
just gradually make the cell size bigger with each copy
until you have a single cell framing your subject

>>6834128
Thanks, can you explain why this is important or link to something where it's explained?

>>6832889

>>6834124
It's useless, you're painting by the numbers and not training your ability to observe

>>6834225
I had a feeling. May I see how you would go about it?

>>6834225
What if I use the grid only when capturing the big general shape and nowhere else?

>>6834124
4x4 or NGMI

>>6834243
What would that look like? Mine is at 150px on each axis, I don't have a reference point for what 4x4 is.

I need to brainstorm how I can get prettier lines because this doesn't work. Im thinking maybe it's because I was spending all of my energy on trying to build lego blocks and moving things to the right place instead of making something with smooth lines.

>>6834264
if you want good lines you need confidence, and autistically measuring everything is the opposite of confidence. Forget about it for now

>>6834270
Haha I'll take note of that.

>>6834264
Unironically trust your eyes more and let your hand throw confident lines, as in one swift motion while not second guessing yourself in the middle of it, if this exercise is trapping you in the idea of fearing not to match the ref then you'll be gritting your teeth because it's very unlikely that you'll just ace it 1st try.
I've seen Krenz demonstrations and even him fucks up proportions sometimes, I checked his cartoon dog exercise and he made it too wide in comparison, even with his units of measurement.
Allow yourself to fuck up some, if that means that you're letting your hand feel more confident, then come back and do this more restrictive exercise of matching it perfectly for flexing if you want.
Also I'm assuming you're using a default brush with no size jitter on, I'd at least use it to test the pressure of you pencil so you get a feel of your lines, it develops some awareness of how you're using your pencil, even if it's not like the real thing (which you can always try when you feel too disconected or unsure of how a real line would feel), but it's good enough.

>>6834300
>Allow yourself to fuck up some, if that means that you're letting your hand feel more confident, then come back and do this more restrictive exercise of matching it perfectly for flexing if you want.
I won't be abandoning the grid entirely since I feel like I am on the right track compared to last time, but I will make sure to have WAY less reliance on it. I'll focus on making a pretty drawing instead of a matching copy next.

As ugly as the lines are and as soulless as the coloring is for mine, it lines up well enough I feel that I could sacrifice a bit of it in favor of working on my lines.

>>6834260
*2x2
more than 2x2 and you are just connecting dots
once you get good, use 1x1 then 1

Drawing shoes from different angles fucking sucks

>>6834355
>right, copyfags when they try from imagination

>>6834124
>>6834264
>>6834315
>>6834340
no literally stop this shit、if you think its valuable try and replicate it on your own without the ref and see how useless that practice is

First time copying from an image (not following a yt tutorial or something, just an image open on my monitor and my attempt to copy it)

I know it looks like shit, tell me how I can get better. Background reading >>6830873

>>6834682
>if you think its valuable try and replicate it on your own without the ref and see how useless that practice is
what the fuck are you talking?

>>6834682
Oh no no no copyfags sisters l-lets ignore this

>>6834792
He's saying that the methodis useless the moment you attempt to draw anything from imagination. He's right. This thread is filed with people who aren't actually learning to draw. Just rushing to post there super unfinished copies using techniques that do little to teach how create there own art.

>>6834891
>>6834682
NOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT!!1111!!!!!1 THIS EXCERCISSE IS MEANT TO TEACH HOW TO DRAW BETTER SO THE NEXT TIME YOU COPY , YOU ARE FASTER AND BETTER!!! IT'S NOT FOR LEARNING HOW TO DRAW FROM IMAGINATION!!!! WE ZEROXX NIGGAS

>drawing from imagination

beg trap

no need to think in absolutes
2 from ref, the rest from imagination

>>6834682
>>6834891
>>6834949
>go to draw something from imagination
>oh yeah that one time that artist i referenced drew the face/clothing/hair in this way, let's use that method for mine
isn't the entire point to basically create a mind-bank of different poses/references for you to pull from when you do create something yourself?

>>6835107
>replying to shitposters

>>6834790
bump

>>6835107
>to basically create a mind-bank of different poses/references
Thats like saying i will repeat every problem done in my book for my exam til' i can remember them perfectly instead of learning how to solve any problem ever.

>>6827114
nani the fuck why aren't you on twitter yet?

>>6835192
Shut the fuck up. You don't draw, retard.

>>6835213
copying isn't drawing, permabeg.

>>6835246
>he doesn't copy
and this is how I know you're an actual permabeg retard

>>6822743
I want to make landscapes like azuma
That's my endgoal (his backgrounds make me feel at peace)

another practice

>>6835246
>copying isn't drawing, permabeg.
KEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone post there finished work and state your prefered method of drawing and practice

ITT:
>A retarded /beg/ see's another /beg/ posting their crappy copies here, so he assumes copying must be bad, when, in fact, good and even successful artists still do copies.

I assume this general is now dead too right?

>>6835362
This thread is the laughing stock of /ic/ because everyone outside of it knows that anons here aren't applying what they're copying to their own original work. Just copying for copying sake.

>>6835294
from JS to JK, nice

@6835432
>laughing stock of /ic/
>everyone outside of it
>/ic/ catalog is nothing but AI, schizo spam threads, bot threads, pol threads, nodraw threads and other garbage
lmao

>>6833136
>>6833189

I think im getting the hang of it, would look better if i drew the hand

>>6835607
Thanks for helping me bust a tight nut

can somebody translate?

>>6835607
looks good anon、draw the hand、also rendering guide?

>>6835607
why are there two light ring-looking things on her chest
be careful about placing your highlights, remember where your light source is
also, I would like to see some shadows in overlapping areas and surfaces that are turning away from the light source

>>6835852
No. Translate it yourself

衣裙分解教程实践篇。
反正到后面是 更改的。
上那几非重要的衣
看情况再加儿条。记博前自乙字形(蓝 色那个比较明里)
用比期影色精浅的 颜色加大反光。或 智把过于突几的地 方抹模端性。粉準工具下笔简单
知出衣槽A 才很容易 拉址力度才图 通过它束表达。
加离光,或省功律。
整理衣帮走防 調整打光 把乙字配理出来 遇模大的扫械Z字形
比知基色恶个。選视小的时候2字形 比较抽象。也四为 布料的堆速性和一 体性 性,衣裙形成的Z 字山熟一定是连接 - 不断的。请 的,请记住。
注意观察2字执的走 有什么有装会保持 均匀敷布的密望节 奏、有密有此才会
得自然。

>>6836051
Using DeepL:
A practical tutorial on how to break down a dress.
Anyway, it's going to be changed in the back. I'm going to add a few more strips to the top of the non-important clothes depending on the situation.
Before remembering to use a color lighter than the color of the shadow to increase the reflection from the zigzag (the blue one is brighter), you can use a color that is lighter than the color of the shadow to increase the reflection.
Or, it is wise to erase any areas that are too prominent. It's easy to use the Chalk Tool to create the A-slot, and it's easy to pull the strength of the image through it. Increase the light, or save it. Tidy up the clothes, adjust the light, and make sure that the Z-shape is bigger than the base color.
When the selection is small, a 2-letter font is more abstract. The Zigzag shape of the bodice must be continuous because of the speed and unity of the fabric. Please remember that. Observe the way the zigzag pattern moves, and see how the pattern stays uniformly laid out, and how natural the pattern is.

Study

>>6836423
Oops forgot the file

>>6836452
>>6835294
>>6834264
>>6834183
>>6833387

when are you copyfaggots going to apply what you ''learned'' from copying into your own shit???

>>6836459
This is the study general, not the draw from imagination general. Go elsewhere, retard

>>6836459
But i do?
Why are you so mad tho?

>>6836469
then why is the majority never posting it? even you now, just a cropped piece, at best you get the sporadic bust/floating head works.

>>6836475
see >>6836459 retard or pyw and be the change you want instead of whining like a fag

>>6836475
pyw now

>>6836461
This is exactly why /asg/ is the worst of the 'study generals'. Nearly everything is some half-assed studies that anyone can tell you people learned nothing from doing. These threads used have photos reference dtiys at the top of each thread were people would have to convert the images in anime. Funny how things that that most Japanese artist and artbook teaches you to do asg completely avoids in favor trying to draw someone else picture 1:1 while not understanding that milage and learn basic principles like construction and perspective is far more important than 100% accuracy when you are first starting out.

>>6836488
What's you opinion on the krenz fags who don't learn shit itt or do you not care because you're not one of them?

>>6836485

im pointing out a flaw in this general or what it seems to be the norm around here, you copying good or nor it's just one of the steps to the final goal which is how to draw anime i will asume, but you rarely see these learning experiences from copying put into work, and copying is the the most overrated practices if not useless one to ask for criticism since you can fucking see it by yurself, theres little or nothing to gain from posting it aside from what? having something to show? pretty dumb desu.

now >>6836488 this is where we and him can learn a lot, there's some things that could be done better, lower right leg is really thinn , perspective, composition. This is how we get better, but posting copies? how are you gonna know if copying is doing any good for you if never use it? or if you only post your copies.

>>6836528
pyw

>>6836528
im nta but you need to post your work, otherwise stfu with the essays

>>6836541
>>6836553
>can't argue with anything i said

i accept your concession.

>>6822743
what the fuck am I doing wrong
is it the brush? I overlapped and it didnt look particularly off

>>6822743
>Im in the op picture
w-what does it mean

>>6836554
>no work
i accept your concession.

new study

>>6836735
as a disclaimer i dont draw anime

first of all its never the fucking brush. secondly you need to remember that these creatures are fucking aliens and you need to get your proportions correct. your copy doesnt have nearly enough cranium. thirdly dont jump into details so quick, the dot of the nose and the eyelashes should be the last things added not first

>>6836868
my quick attempt

>>6836805
Mistakes everywhere. You didn't learn anything from doing this I can tell.

>>6825761
How do you achieve those pixelated grays?

>>6825761
very nice anon
what is the original image?

>>6836904
tone layers from clip studio
>>6836908
it's an original draw but here's the character sheet

>>6827554
Thank you. I hope you find them useful.
>>6827601
All of them are mine, I think my mistake comes from the fact that I didn't include the reference.
>>6835209
I am, just not particularly active.

>>6836554
i didnt read your walls of text

kneel nodraw faggot

>>6836735
>I overlapped and it didnt look particularly off
ANON........

I know this general is mostly focused on character art but is there a guide on how to draw backgrounds so that my characters aren't just floating in a void?

>>6835294
very nice and you even added your own twist on it
good shit, anon

AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHAT IS THIS TRICKERY

>>6836528
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>YOU CAN'T JUST COPY AND EXPECT TO GET GOOD AT DRAWING
>YOU WILL NEVER GONNA LEARN TO DRAW FROM MAH IMAGINATION IF YOU ONLY COPY
>PLS I NEED ATTENTION
pyw or gtfo tranny

>>6837508
https://youtu.be/hGMRrpYmsr8?si=IRBzs6EA09mhQ3lK

>>6837750
GG NO RE

How do you paint in that generic pixiv way? When I paint, especially skin, it comes out looking way different

>>6837750
>>6837881
>intentionally reinforcing shitty practices so the super beg of this thread never improves
Advance level crabbing right here keep up the good work.

>>6837894
Stop crabbing legit advice or post your work, nocopy tranny.

>>6837900
Have being king of the gigabit thread retard you must feel really cozy about have no competition to speak of kek

>>6837909
I accept your concession, tranny.

>>6837911
You didn't post your work fag ,just some traced shit to make everyone feel better about their poor art decisions. Multiple people in this thread hasn't progesses and they been posting for years. Where are you fags then? Nowhere to be seen. But arguing about copying anime suddenly you fags run from your grooming servers to argue on 4chan. Kys crab.

Stop posting your drawings. It's making me jealous af bros...

>>6837919
>You didn't post your work fag ,just some traced shit to make everyone feel better about their poor art decisions.
Cool cope, now post your work, retarded crab. You won't because you don't draw.

>>6822777
I assume there's no response because it's already good so it's a stretch to find something to suggest

you'd need an excuse to introduce an extra color (through reflected light or from a prop), or add a greater range of contrast. when I say contrast I mean like either adding Ambient Occlusion do under her pits is darker and it focuses more on her tits, or you darken the tits instead because they're close to the POV.
Or, add some more distinct folding of the clothes near the fingers, or add a bit of dark between the clothes and the boobs

>>6837940
You first nigger post YOUR work.

Great thread

>>6824035
Hey man I know this sounds rather retarded but Id really like to know if the left sketches are digital and what brush you used if so.

>>6837974
you summed up this board pretty well

So as a fresh starting out /beg/ what is the best course of action to jump right on the anime study grinding train? What I accumulated from videos and some text tutorials is that one should first improve their own line quality and line confidence first before everything else with the following exercises: cross hatching, line ghosting, tracing over a ruler line, drawing 2D shapes, simple 3D shapes, deformed 3D shapes and then finally a lot of tracing over artworks of ones personal favorite anime and comic artists. Are these proper exercises to get better as beginner in your opinion?
But an actual question is about the following next step of grinding timed quick sketches of a diverse set of artists and real human photo references. When trying to capture the people from a real photo reference, should you draw in stylized anime face features and somewhat changed proportion or do your best to copy straight on model? I have seen different artists showing their copied sketches being divided on that. I suppose when just wanting to learn "anime style" the former one is the way to go?

>>6837995
Unfortunately those are traditional sketches made with a ballpoint pen. But you can try to imitate the brush in digital, you just need to add a noise texture and play with the opacity when inking.

A redrawing of a drawing I did awhile back

>>6837974
>oh look at meme
>actually is a whole essay

i won't read it, don't care which side is dissing who, kys retard.

>>6838429
how much tiktok do you watch a day to think this is alot of words

>>6837750
>>6837881
damn these are nice anon do you have sauce to the references?

>>6837750
>>6837881
You mind posting a time-lapse webm, Anon? I watched Mogoon draw that first one on stream 2 days ago...

Daily reminder that if you cant do picrel, just give up, you will NGMI
https://files.catbox.moe/fydr5t.mp4

>>6837373
The lack of replies speaks for itself kek

Daily reminder that if you cant do picrel, just give up, you will NGMI
https://files.catbox.moe/a6d0gv.mp4

>>6837373
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-Persp-Course-ad3bf41d23a846bc8077b06fa56b8881

>>6838649
>never done this chink shit
>never did any fundamental ever
>never touched a drawing book
>literally just drew
>get comms offers regularly despite saying im not taking any atm
>nobody complains about my broken spines, floating tits, worm torsos, different lenght limbs, cromathic aberration, white backgorunds, shit male faces, and my non japanesse jean.


My style>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your retarded ass approach on how to draw einamee.

>>6838696
I would like to see your work please

>>6838702
sketch i did for /a/

>>6838696
>>6838711
NTAs, but this looks really nice. Mogs me.
>literally just drew
How'd you do it then? Draw other artists work? I'm tired of grinding fundies.

>>6838696
That's how any decent artist does it.

>>6838711
Nice

>>6833387

>>6838721
See thing you like, try to implement thing into your drawing.
I like the eyelashes of this artist, dunno the name, top right is how my current style looks like and bottom is how i would implement it. It doesn't look exactly like the ref but i like it, actually i might keep this style of eyelashes lol, and that's how i have done it with the rest 'til now.

>>6838821
This looks really, and yeah I really like how you drew the eyelashes too.
>See thing you like, try to implement thing into your drawing.
thank you, lots of the good artists here also say that too as well, drawing what you like is really important. I'll try to do that as much as possible too then
>that's how i have done it with the rest 'til now.
So you also did that for the rest of your drawings too? Figure, face, eye, etc? Almost like your making a combination of all your favorite artists?

>>6838696
>>6838711
this is the way


when will retards recognize that their favourite god artists actually just fucking kept drawint until they got to that point, they didnt get there drawing boxes out of perspective for 3 years

>This is why you should learn from a Loomis-influenced anime porn book-
Do those books actually exist?

>>6838649
>>6838665
Nonsensical constructoid drivel.

>>6838649
Congratulations fag you are the master of drawing paper clips. You could've just went into doing >>6838665 but since exact copies is your comfort zone almost noone ever gets this far in /asg/.

>>6838779
Kek

manga material links dont seem to work. anyone has torrent?

My first time working with tones. Also not sure what happened to her face, kinda sucks she looks sad can't figure out how to make her look more seductive. Any help for how to make this more anime style would be great.

>>6838821
can you share the full img?

>>6822743
So what do you think?

>>6839683
did my best to try help you with the face

Picking colors for shading skin is so difficult

>>6839993
fucking this, now i only sdhade like this

>>6839879
Thanks anon that helps a lot.

some stuff

>>6840126
not feeling bottom righ

>>6840086
Love the way you shade, any tutorials or tips on how to? When I try doing it a similar way it always comes out looking weird

>>6840183
Nor have you ever felt. Neither will you ever feel bottom right.

>>6838821
need artist name asap
saucenao cant find the artist

Anyone able to help me use multiply layer better?

When I look at the anime source I refuse to believe they are color picking each of her colors, especially when this frame is visible for <2 seconds

What do they to multiply layer here? Or are they actually just selecting each of the colors

>>6838711
>>6839808
>>6840086
>>6840126
Love your work anons I wish there was a good rendering guide

>>6840363
I feel you. I started trying to add softer shadows to my drawings and trying to make it look closer to how most japanese artists seem to render, but I can't get it right and choosing colors is one of biggest roadblocks I face
that and the fact that my blur and smudge tools in clip studio don't seem to act as nicely as in the speedpaints I watched

>>6840363
It has noise and blur and it looks like they use a gradient to simulate a light source from top to bottom
Also the image is compressed so that adds more noise

How do you feel about idiots who preach at you to stop drawing anime?

>>6840923
>>6841117
thanks anons, ill muck around with blur and noise then in my own works and see how it comes out

>>6841476
not interested, why would u care about people like that

New Thread:
>>6841556
>>6841556
>>6841556

>>6838711
Heh, thats one long ass ribcage. Perhaps you do need to study, upper torso is not quite connecting right.

>>6825761
Torso is broken. Far right arm doesnt connect into the shoulder, and the raised leg is too short because you decided to think there would be foreshortening when its reallly moreso turning to the side. Also the face is kinda weird, the nose is too far left and the mouth too far right and low, as well as the hair reading very flat. Biggest thing is that her eye placement is off, so her gaze looks retarded.

>>6838216
thanks anon, i prefer trad so ig its a good thing :)