/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I'm retarded and don't know how to learn, there are 5000x books I just want to draw comics man fuck dude

When copying a reference, getting a line right takes lot of time and a lot of undoing so I often find myself purposefully symbol drawing out of laziness rather than because I don't know it's wrong. How can I stop doing this?

>>6820297
relax and take it slow, copy simple things to warm up
try sketching with pen and paper so there's no urge to undo

>>6820296
same here, I'm a prebeg. Here's what I'll do: start with the brent eviston fundies course and while I'm doing it I'll just copy whatever I like (anime girls), after that I'll move on to loomis or Jack Hamm and some perspective book like the one from David Chelsea idk

>>6820297
Commit to your own lines even if they're not 1:1.

>PICK A REFERENCE IMAGE
>STUDY IT
>POST RESULT

overwhelmed? zoom in and study a smaller portion
difficulties analyzing? boost contrast / convert to greyscale / copylayer-blur-subtract to extract a faux "line work" from the ref
unsure what to study? copy the whole ref while asking yourself "how would my favorite artist draw this?"

I have a very dumb specific question...
If I'm attempting to introduce more warmth/saturation on the terminator line (light/shadow divide), what is the best method to do this digitally on photoshop? You usually see it on skintones.
For reference, this /ic/thread picture has it clearly on the rightmost arm area (light patch above the sleeve).

https://i.4cdn.org/ic/1692818174538025.png

Would you simply define the light/dark areas and then use lasso tool and a brush (set to color) to paintover the shadow area with more red tone? Or some other layer setup?

Stopped playing videogames and watching anime/movies entirely as long as I don't get to a, actually decently good art skill level whitin the next 2 years.
I'm going to make it?

>>6820318
If you'd quit sleep too you'd make it twice as fast.

>>6820273
Are the characters with yellow text supposed to be int

>>6820309
Sauce on ref b lmao

>>6820318
>i am going to x
the battle cry of the permabeg

>>6820324
the grind is non stop, even in my sleep, at least thats what the dentist told me.

>>6820318
Movies are unironically a good way to get inspiration and references

>>6820273
holy cinemathequé

I’ve given up drawing fuck all of you.

>>6820383
i wish you would give up posting spam in this thread nigger
go away and dont come back

>>6820273
where do you go to do gesture drawings? so far i just look for cool poses in comic books or i use line of action, but variety is always wanted.

>>6820386
Fuck you faggot.

>>6820309
20 min, goal: 3d shape of face, proportions and overall recognizability

>>6820383
>>6820394
while you were seething and quite possibly dilating, i put 20 minutes of practice in. and by the time you respond to this post, i will have put in another 20 minutes of practice :^)
fuck you nigger. as long as you keep spamming this thread with defeatist non-work-posted shitposts i will call you a nigger and enjoy your rage
nigger

>>6820383
What else you gonna do with your sad life if not get back to the grind? Will you go to your death bed knowing that you gave up before you even got started?

I feel like I've been spinning my wheels as of late, I don't think I'm progressing and I'm not too sure what to do.
I've been doing this coquis practice (kind of) daily and got to day 6
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9v&si=ILNg6lKwy5hpYzfB
and trying to start off with "how to draw the marvel way" because of the David finch roadmap thing and copied everything (excluding fully completing the proportion guide) from beginning to just the start of the figure chapter.
Pic related is what I've done so far.
I know that there are a bunch of other things I need to improve on, like understanding how to draw the basic shapes on the body, but the one thing that's been constantly tripping me up is proportions, can't seem to nail that down for some reason and taking 10 mins per pose on the coquis practice thing
Not too sure what to ask specifically, maybe than if there is a way to help improve my proportions more, but any sort of help would be nice.
Also, sorry for the long post

drew this for /co/

>>6820413
The grind is a lie. Quantity is not going to get you there. You think 50 quickly hashed out poses is better than 5 that you seriously paid attention to and referenced from pros? Skip the grind. Go study the exact piece that you want your drawings to look like. Do it only once but do it well to the point were it’s nearly indistinguishable from the original. That will net you way more gains.

>>6820413

>>6820405
I drawed. You assholes said I was NGMI.

>ywnbaw
what does this mean, is OP calling me a tranny or my drawing a tranny?

>>6820309
no cute boys for the ladies? i dont wanna draw thots or horses

>>6820481
I don't follow, do you mean
>You're in the period of frustration phase, just keep on drawing and you'll figure it out
or do you mean something else?

MY BEGS DO NOT BUCKLE OR YIELD WHEN FACED WITH THE CRUELTY OF THIS WORLD

>>6820493
>calling me a tranny or my drawing a tranny?
yes

>>6820497
there is literally nothing stopping you from posting your own set of reference images to complement the available references for everybody in this thread
yet you chose to
1 complain
2 do nothing to improve the situation
3 explain what you like and dont like drawing even though nobody cares or asked
4 make it known that you are female even though your gender is completely irrelevant here

worthless bag of human trash whore

>>6820488
You’re really ngmi if you stop. No one is gonna make it. We’re all stuck in the perpetual struggle of existence. Would you rather spend that time drawing or not? I’d rather draw like shit than not draw and cry about it for the rest of my life.

>>6820507
lmao why are you seething over a comment, what a sensitive faggot. Instead of writting all of that text you could have just asked ''can you post gay porn please'' and it would have come off less faggy.

>>6820404
now do it without the thick lines with a thin fine line like god intended

Hey /beg/ I want to not exist! But I know for a fact that when we die we just respawn as another random human. The ride never ends. Get me out.

>>6820521
life your life to the fullest you never know if you will be reborn as a manlet chink working in the iphone factory and getting ass raped everyday in your next life

>>6820523
I've just seen a video of chinese working in a factory. Extremely boring factory work, doing the same shit for looong hours. We are so lucky yet we complain all the time.

>>6820521
Yeah you will never get out. We’ve been through this shit an infinite amount of times. Your only option is to wake the fuck up, or not. You’ve got all of eternity to live. Or are you already and have always been dead?

>>6820521
>But I know for a fact that when we die we just respawn as another random human
no we dont, but you have convinced yourself thats its true because you secretly want it to be true so not like you will change your mind

>>6820521
just astral project yourself back to KT99, retgard

Slowly getting into coloring and shading.
I still rely on color picking from reference pictures tho.

Literally this is the guy who draws Jojo's. I liked the show and started reading the manga to ape some poses but this guy is absolutely /beg/ for anatomy for a while. At least as long as it took to go from manga to anime. I have some of his later stuff in artbooks so yeah he gets better but if any anon needs a pick-me-up just read early JoJo's, the anatomy doesn't exist.

>>6820542
dunning kruger

>>6820545
Early Araki sucked dude, there's proof that all you need to do is fundies and draw because current Araki is godlike

>>6820548
name one thing wrong with anatomy in the page you posted

>>6820542
>>6820545
>>6820548
>>6820549
>>>/co/

>>6820550
in other words, you can't because you are a nodraw, thank you for proving me right

>>6820498
Pretty much. Your ability to notice mistakes always precedes your ability to correct them so it feels like you're stagnating until your technical skill begins to catch up with your knowledge of what you're trying to accomplish. I would say the chart is off a bit in that the average person's perception of their skill probably stays low throughout a greater percentage of the incline where they're actually improving. I think falling into the rabbithole of looking for resources can be a distraction. Usually just a quick youtube search gives me a decent video on my problem to get me in the right direction. A ten minute video on human proportions is probably all you need.

>>6820549
He can draw poses when the action isn't too intense but when it gets complicated things look weird, beyond that he has a tendency to wrap his characters in meat balloons and occasionally forgets they have bones. Being bipedal isn't "enough," this reminds me of Liefeld iirc, with his insane back breaking poses. Araki obviously works on his issues though where Liefeld didn't.

>>6820559
this is an issue with gesture not anatomy, please draw for 12 months before posting again, good day

>>6820560
Anon that character has no bones, again making sure you are bipedal is not enough. Humans have shit going on beneath their meat balloons. Seeing as how I've b (You) tfo seven times in three posts, how about you leave the thread and copy every panel from the first 16 issues of JJBA.

>>6820552
Well, it's good to know that I'm on the right track to some degree and that me noticing I have a problem with something is in it of itself a good thing, will do what you said and go find a decent video about human proportions.
Thanks for the heads up anon

I tried myself at doing vilppu gestures, did I get it?

>>6820309

Trying out some sketches of arachnids and bugs in pen to break the habit of erasing and redrawing lines too many times and just working on having fun drawing cool things. I need more fucking around and less grinding fundies in my life.

>>6820318
Nah. Short term yeah but not for 2 fucking years. It’s like the poor fisherman story where he loves to fish and some guy comes to him about a fancy boat so he can boost his business to get rich so that he can…continue to fish and do the same exact things as he was doing when he was poor but with upgrades.

Just enjoy the process.

Need crit pls

>>6820648
head too small, lack of color variety

Very ugly 4 minute sketches (got anxious and drew symbols lol) but at least I dont have to go to bed as a nodraw and did something new

>>6820648
looks really nice but the composition is kind of boring

>>6820602
its impressive how well you convey the form using only lines. you barely even use hatching. almost all of it conveyed solely through precise outlines. great work anon

the only things worth criticizing that i can see is how sometimes the lines that end inside a volume have too harsh of an ending.
the "v" shape at the top of the butt crack on the right figure, as well as the underside of the breast and the underside of the butt cheeks on the left figure.
those lines imply too strong of an angle change in the surface while the refs have very smooth and gradual transitions at those spots. as for how to solve it i have no idea. i would attempt to make up for that by using values / shading or use subtle hatching but those are not real solutions since your style is fine, clean lines
perhaps that double-line on the left figures armpit is the way to go for these kinds of spots...

anyways, outstanding as always!

>>6820090
>>6820046
Yeah well the pose you picked is absurdly difficult, though you at least could have followed the grid you already had in the ref

>>6820602
>>6820741
thanks bro
I tried to ink and play with tones too
I will try to practice monochrome more with the gpen

I've been working on this piece for a copule hours now but I feel there's something missing. I see alot of dead space but I don't know what to do with it.

how do i make this look less like ass

>>6820762

Sup beg. The book should be called how to draw cars. So far my first impression is very good. The book looks like mix of beg + perspective. Testing out various brushes.

>>6820648
very cool, but didn't you post the same thing like month ago?
>>6820629
are you king of bugs?
>>6820593
i guess yes
>>6820542
>>6820559
comics are about way more stuff than just anatomy. i wont deny some of these figures would get crabbed if somebody posted them here in beg BUT its comic: story, mood, feels, brand will always win over art style or anatomy
>>6820537
looking good
>>6820464
cool thot + cool pose
>>6820413
well you are drawing, you are following a course and from the looks of it you are practicing gesture and or feeling the form + simplifying figures. Believe in the process and keep going! Maybe make some more "finished" figure drawing aka figure with shades and such
>>6820392
quickposes.com
adorkastock.com
sketchdaily.net
line-of-action.com
There are also infinite number of packs on places like devian art and other websites like this
deviantart.com/adorkastock/journal/Pose-Reference-Stock-Resources-You-Need-To-Know-327934478 and people are even selling packs on websites like artstation.com
>>6820318
that is what i did: i sacrificed vidia for art gains. however my 1st post on /beg was me PYWing a laughable doodle, while you posted meme photo which suggests you didnt draw :-)
>>6820314
new layer, mode soft light, paint whatever, erase where it went over contours?
>>6820297
read whole 1st chapter, most notably RESTATING section
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/14
>>6820296
>>6820302
How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way
Will Eisner Comics and Sequential Art
Gary Martin The Art of Comic Book Inking
Framed Perspective: Technical Perspective and Visual Storytelling
>>6820760
draw him on this bed
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q1JQQsogg_k/TeltF77lbTI/AAAAAAAABkQ/xKL-TtAVQjc/s1600/P1000245.JPG
>>6820762
use more aggressive shades and look up how drapery folds shading works

>>6820762
push your shadows more

gestures from yesterday, 1min each.

More. 2min each.

>>6820497
>no cute boys for the ladies?
That's what the horse was for. Chicks love horses, no?

>>6820781
Kill yourself.

>>6820511
NTA, Honestly? At this point i'd rather not draw but now i've got this expensive tablet that'll be in vain if I don't draw with it so now i'm in for the ride.

Hey, can anyone here explain to me how the FUCK to use the david finch guide? Like what is the marvel book trying to show me? Idk how the fuck to use it.
Here's a box for your troubles.

>>6820762
it's you it's the retard that keeps whining to me about being a permabeg

shut the fuck up and get off this board please

>>6820760
Pretty cool, what brush did you use? Add some stylized text to fill space

Hello /beg/, I am genuinely enthralled by the way the moon looks right now.

How the hell do I make sense out of drawing anime heads? I know I need to know head anatomy n' stuff, I already grinded over a hundred skulls ever since I started drawing, yet I still can't wrap my head around this thing, it's like this shit totally break the laws of what 3D form is. I'm going insane someone please help me.

>>6820892
your anime head looks fine dont worry anon

>>6820273
some figure drawing practice

>>6820892
Anime does break 3D form laws. To get the faces to look right in 3D they have to use weird perspective and camera tricks. Basically the facial features are 2D symbols that change depending on the angle you view them from.

Day 14 of learning, did my first 30 minute sketch ever to focus primarily on the silhouette and gesture of the figure

I was told I need to work on the angles of things in the future as the angles are off here, and using reference points more to achieve that

any other things you guys can suggest should put into my knowledge bank to think about for my next drawing?
thanks!

Hello, I have a question about how to use the following CLIP STUDIO tools:
1. pen
2. Pencil
3. Brush

>>6820930
show the reference points you used

>>6820309
>>6820512
Gave it a shot kinda. Tried for accuracy and coherent shadow practice again. Shit’s hard, lol. Faces and hands (and drawing) are, as usual, the bane of my existence.
>>6820383
>>6820488
It’s okay, anon. Drawing is hard and it’s not a hobby for everyone. Don’t let people bully you into drawing, and don’t let people bully you into stopping. Do what you like, what fulfills you. Fuck the rest. I’ll say that if the decision to stop drawing feels like a relief, then it’s probably good to stop and do something else. But, if you feel resentful or feel like the decision to stop drawing was not actually your own, then I’d say to reconsider. Either way, try not to take it so seriously. Take a break from /ic/ to clear your head and refocus on what YOU want and what YOU feel. Knowing when to quit is its own virtue, so just take a moment to breathe and really consider this. Maybe you’ll find that you want to return after a break, or maybe you’ll find moving on was a great idea. Just don’t let a Chinese baking forum make that decision for you.
>>6820477
I think there’s value in both. A careful study to comprehend the concept you’re trying to learn, then lots of quick mileage to make it sink in and integrate.
>>6820542
>>6820559
Pure SOVL
>>6820593
Yeah, I can tell what the poses are. Good job! Keep going!
>>6820741
>>6820749
Kek, my lines are such sloppy garbage
>>6820760
Maybe a puffy cameltoe? Kinda looks like it’d make a neat sticker desu.
>>6820762
Maybe more contrasting values, but it honestly looks fine to me.
>>6820781
The purple sports car in the top center and the green van thing underneath it look the coolest.
>>6820814
Not bad! I can clearly tell what the poses are. As you get more comfortable, focus on feeling the form and flow and rhythm. I love your handwriting btw.
>>6820908
Looks good! Make sure hems/cuffs of clothing wrap around the body, like a rubber band on a tube. Drawing through them will help.
>>6820930
GMI

Finished :) in the end I learned a lot because I made so many mistakes, thanks everyone who helped me

>>6820747
Mannnn I just saw this, scrolled right past it. My bad I was super busy today doing other shit. Thanks for your attempt at helping me though

2min each.

>>6820781
use the axle as the minor axis of the wheel ellipses
it's a bit worrying that you still get that wrong after N perspective books

>>6819371
Doing color today. Practicing not using the color picker from reference and working out the colors on my own. Need to blend it further.

i'm bad at measuring in pen

What do you think about drawabox lessons?

>>6821026
great if you want to draw boxes
dogshit if you want to draw anything else
whatever you learn from drawabox, you learn more efficiently and with less soul drain by drawing what you want to draw and turn on your brain while doing it
there are terminal cases of autism / no internal monologue that gravitate towards drawabox because they can just follow lessons without thinking which would be fine on its own, but since they seek to mindlessly follow lessons, they usually do not see what little improvement potential there is in drawabox

Would tracing help with learning the shapes of body parts? All my stuff is misshapen.

>>6820781
>are you king of bugs?
Is there an anon that's known for doing bugs here? Sounds like a kindred spirit, I just think they're neat.

>>6821037
NTA, I do agree with the first part (my box here >>6820852 is proof that's all I can do) but..
>you learn more efficiently and with less soul drain by drawing what you want to draw
like???
>turn on your brain while doing it
literally how?

>there are terminal cases of autism / no internal monologue that gravitate towards drawabox because they can just follow lessons without thinking
Ah shit, I think that's me.

>>6821068
oh hell no fuck you and go kill yourself shizo

>>6821071
yeah thanks mate, i'll go try to learn on my own again now, see you next thread. Maybe my next box will be 1-point perspective.

I still have trouble drawing clothes
I've watched courses on how to draw folds and drapery and I read the burner Howarth book
and the thing is; I know how to draw folds, and I know basic anatomy, but my clothes still look like shit because the silhouette looks bad, and my character loses proportions
I can draw tight clothes easily but it's really hard to draw loose clothes, at least for me
I think my problem is the composition
Is there a good book on fashion design, how to maintain good ratios, and composition in general? how to make clothes look good using interesting shapes maybe?
it's so frustrating because every course is about folds and I already know the different types of folds, Some people don't even know how to draw folds and still manage to make clothes look good

>>6821081
very well

>>6820273
maro is big cancer

>>6820781
Yes i posted the work a week ago but this is the finished version

Grrr

Digital painting I did from reference.

>>6821108
Is that hitler's mom?

>>6820951

So /beg/ after doing Vilppu gestures, hampton, and even steve eviston, I can say without a doubt that I'm still retarded. BUT

I found vilppus and steve hustons method equally good, hamptons specific method of GESTURE was not for me tho.

If you need a good course on figure drawing I would unironically recommend Brent Eviston tho, you can get it from the /ic/ torrent in the video course thread. Just download Qbittorrent and you can select what you want to download and what not, no need to download 1tb of shit.

He explains it in a very nice and easy and understandable manner, even me, the biggest retard understood it.

>>6821172
>steve huston
I meant brent eviston, didn't check out huston yet

an attempt at studying a young willem dafoe. don't think i captured his likeness too well.

>>6820464
i like the skwetches in the bg :) do u post ur work anywhere

>>6821190

also this stud.

Bros how do I stack a cube that rotates with every stack.

>>6821242
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-Persp-Week-3-2448249eef72433ba2daebb58d803373

30s gesture

>>6821190
>>6821224
Teach me your ways you sonofabitch, these looks great
As far as i know, this is the level i wanna get. What you recommend to learn painting (specially heads), and how you recommend studying?

I’m still not drawing. There’s no point. Ai is faster and better and I was deemed NGMI anyway.

>>6821391
With that attitude they were right.

>>6821391
>Ai is faster
Per work? I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe i'm shit at prooooompting but it still takes hours to get anything remotely good.
In total (including time needed to git gud)? Probably lol.

>>6821391
Yees...Yeess...come to ze darkside

>>6821391
You are the person who deemed yourself NGMI, and you were right. But don't try to blame your own lack of ambition and motivation on faceless third parties or society as a whole. It's your own fault.

>average proompter

>>6821391
Isn’t it great that AI is better at art than people? That means we can stop giving a fuck about ngmi and ego-art. Now you only need to impress yourself.

Can't draw? Doesn't matter. Just let AI finish it.

>>6821400
Got it. You’re retarded.

>Even the /beg/ thread is now an AI thread
It's so fucking over. Just rebrand this board to /ai/

>>6821413
A bunch of bots talking to each other would be an improvement over you assholes.

>>6821408
>You’re retarded.
So? By your logic that would be your fault.

>>6821422
That doesn’t make any sense. Not that I’m surprised. You’re just a troll.

>>6821413
>Be anon, wants to learn to draw, comes to /ic/
>Lurk, try to figure out how to start

Anon! Copy anime!
Anon, Don't copy!

Anon! Do loomis
Anon, Loomis is a trap!

Anon! Learn construction
Anon, Construction will make you a permabeg

Anon! Read the sticky, no this sticky, no this book, no watch this chink

Wonder why AI is taking over the board.

>>6821413
Retards keep taking the bait. How fucking hard is it just to ignore the AI posters.

AI posters are either:
1. Demotivated NGMIs who seek to inflict the same mentality on others (probably to make themselves feel better)
2. Indians who want to curtail competition that real artists provide
3. Decent artists who are trying to crab others for fun
Solution? Keep drawing, and just stop replying to AI posts, simple as.

I've been working through hampton and trying out his construction method

Are these any good?

How long until i can start drawing characters?

How to make torsos look rotated?

>>6821457
This doesn't look like hampton gesture

le AI can only make generic samefaced coomerslop tranime pin-ups with extra limbs and/or missing digits

>>6821469
overlap and t-intersections

>>6821469
I read this as "How to make torsos look retarded" lol

>>6821495
Is that all? Just wrinkles?

>>6821523
>Is that all? Just wrinkles?
with this comment alone i can tell you are seeing things as plain symbols instead of 3D shapes

>>6821530
Please. I am begging you on my fucking knees.
How to stop drawing my shit flat?

Look at those sketches from some artist I follow.
How is it that it looks so damn good even if it is just lines and shapes? No shading, no values, nothing but lines and it looks 3d.

>>6821523
they're cylinders, not wrinkles

>>6821537
>>6821540
>>6821530
Old sketch of mine, only thing I have on hand right now.
It looks FLAT. No volume, no weight, no perspective. Its just shit.

>>6821537
just watch the vilppu course and you will understand, go to yandex.com and search "vilppu course free vk.com

>>6821542
I'd recommend doing some more gesture drawings from real humans

>>6821470
It's his construction method. not gesture

>>6821542
unironically grab a construction heavy book like anatomy design and invention and do figure studies

you begin by going for 3D forms but you quickly fall back into 2D symbols so you need more practise in bridging that gap
also redline good anime artists that draw lots of twisted and in perspective bodies, try redlining them, drawing construction on top of their drawings then copying it yourself

another underrated tip is to draw bigger, the bigger you draw the easier oyu can insert more details, for example i thought i sucked at drawing hands until i realised i was drawing too small so i couldnt draw hands properly, then i decided to draw bigger both higher res and occupying whole canvas, and suddenly i wasnt that sucky at hands because i could actually apply what i knew i just needed the sapce for it

this all sounds like a non answer but really, this is a case of needed more mileage, sometimes you just gotta grind it out unlike /ic/ neet lefties

>>6821552
fuck typos im too drunk for good grammar, you get the gist of it

>>6821552
>construction heavy book
Crab alert, do not do construction

I need to get back into the groove. I haven't finished something in forever.

>>6821556
anon...oldest tard post in the book, pls do better

>>6821561
pyw then and lets see where your advice took you, anon

why does it look so bad help pls

I put too much chrom ab on this cause im retarded, whats the fastest way to kill myself?

>>6821567
Can't you control Z it?

>>6821567
Add MORE

>>6821495
what fucking shape even is that, what object am i looking at

>>6821543
I swear to god if that old fart just says 'feel the form' over and over again like he did last time i'm gonna shit.

>>6821574
could be a ribcage and a pelvis
or whatever you imagine

>>6821575
>feel the pinch
>feel the twist
>feel the stretch
>feel the form..

He is right though, you need to feel it.

>>6821569
i can yea, but i'd have to go get the ipad and do all this and that and reexport. just preemptive memeing so that way if I get any (You)s they might be more about the drawing and less about the effects
>>6821570
gaussian blur + noise filter + tilt shift + vhs filter + lens flare

This is the only art community that I come back to, I dunno if I should be happy or sad about it

>>6821567
Thats nice man! I like the vibe

I was trying to draw a girl running with like a big plate and waving at someone. I don’t really know how to draw the arms..

>>6820648
move on to something else already

>>6820273
just droppin this here. remember bout them values

Thanks to the anon who posted these original images. I used them as a reference as I drew these. Just started sketching, gonna try and put in some work every day see how it goes.

>>6821810
>lesbo porn
please don't ever make it out of /beg/

>>6821824
post your work nigger

>>6821828
PYW is just begtard cope.

>>6820781
She's supposed to be wearing an strait jacked so I figured that a padded cell would fit well. For some reason I didn't tought of it until you suggested the bed.
>>6820942
I tried adding a clit and a bit of lip so is more celar that it's a vagina.
>>6820875
I used Krita's default brushes

Thank you guys

>>6821835
nodraw detected, opinion rejected

>>6821837
Your mom is a no draw. And a whore.

What are some good books to study shadows, color, construction and body anatomy more in-depth? Something that can give me studies to do along the read would also be helpful, I'm looking to deepen my knowledge on those fields, especially regarding lights and shadows

>>6820309
Damn ref B has a blown out asshole. Fucking hot.

>>6821855
>Your mom is a no draw. And a whore.
Are you ok? Nta btw. You zoomers are mentally ill.

>>6820273
I have fixed my mistake this time, right?
No problem right?
I can go to outline now, no?

>>6821860
You’re mom is a mentally ill zoomer

Gonna start doing serious daily 30ish minutes drawing studies because it's something I never really did before, I'd just jump into paintings and learn while making them. I'm also trying to base myself off of the style of artists like Craig Mullins because it's what gets hired...

>>6821896
This one was from 2 days ago, yesterday's looked especially ugly.

Here a cat girl , how do I stop my lines from getting so thick so fast , do people just practice to hit the perfect lines for shapes etc. first try?
Also any advice on what to practice every day to improve.

>>6821928
oops heres da pic

>>6820956
5min each

>>6820309
neat refs, thx anon

>>6821652
Thank you <3

holy fuck it's so over

>profound mentally retarded
>also 3-6 time more likely to get several cancers
>ineffective to cancer drugs too


Bros..

>>6822027
dont care pyw.

>>6822031

>>6822027
theoretically everyone would develop cancer if they lived long enough
think that when you are 70+ maybe science has evolved enough to cure it

>>6822064
Oh My God She Is So Attractive

>>6822027
Just eat beef/ruminants and nothing else, maybe occasional lactofermented foods if you want, never eat omega 6 PUFAs, and do resistance exercise. You’ll be okay.

Is gesture really that important? I mean every figure drawing course starts with it so it must be right?

brent eviston is my favorite teacher because he only uses hot female models pretty based desu

Happy with these two, been finding laying out broad brush strokes to place the features and values to be much more satisfying than carefully doing the line work for the entire face.

How do I go from box to torso

>>6822072
>>6822091
>>6822109
ngmi

>>6822109
Beans. Do the bean exercise. It's all about axis, stretch pinch and twist and conveying it in space. You don't need boxes for that only 2 spheres/ovoids

>>6822109
by learning anatomy

>>6822111
checked and fuck you

>>6822113
>the bean exercise
huh

>>6820309
20 min goal: overall face shape, proportions, recognizability

>>6822099
impressive anon
any advice for me concerning practice of faces? my goal is to create faces that are 1. recognizable and 2. simplified/stylized. i have a hard time balancing the two, and it all comes crumbling down when i throw in the attempt of some actual facial expression.
if you were to give advice to a "younger you" in that regard, what would you say?

day 46
I wonder if someone can tell where the ponytail girl ref is from
Perhaps I should try the "cope your favorite doujin" training program but then I wouldn't want to post the "fruits of my studies" here

>>6820273
so im in the /beg/ roster? Franky this is a tremendous blow to my self esteem

Hello beg. It feels like i should spend two weeks just grinding ellipses. It is getting ridiculous at this point. Fuck ellipses!

>>6822072
all art books i have so far have very polarizing opinion about gesture: they either dont mention it at all (or very briefly) and otherwise pretend it doesnt exist. Or they say right at start nothing is more important than gesture.
>>6822064
COOM
>>6822027
these DNA based predictions arent shopping list anon. It is more like wish-list: you have decent chance you wont get anything from that list. Like normal person has 0.0001% to develop condition. And you have fucked up genome so you have 10 times higher chance aka 0.001%.
>>6821953
very nice
>>6821928
i just did the chapter which answers your question
https://archive.org/details/Scott_Robertson_How_To_Draw/page/11
TLDR: make very thin lines and when you are happy trace the final line thick. Keys to drawing calls it restating
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/13
>>6821899
thumbs up
>>6821857
you asked for so many different topics i will just hit you with my "library" link and wish you good luck figuring out which book you want
https://pawell2418.github.io/library.html
>>6821836
these looks more like tiles in bathroom. pilled cell would have the lines curved and soft looking
>>6821624
it is as the meme says: you are here forever. now pyw
>>6821565
add to the couch handles so you show depth via 1P perspective. otherwise i like it: boomer and his demon boyfriend
>>6821239
coomable
>>6821224
i kneel
>>6821126
inconsistent outlines kinda break it down. imho it would look way better without outlines
>>6821108
where did her booba go?
>>6821081
idk what your problem is, to me it looks like PRO mangaka made it. loose drapery obscures form so most wise artist dodge it like a plague. yours is great as is
>>6821055
tracing is great way how to never improve. level up your observation by trying to draw from ref and failing over and over instead
>>6820981
ellipses are my doom :-(

>>6822126
Kill yourself.

What's the best way to measure? Just the pencil method? Do grids help at all?

trying out the bean on the gestures now

>>6822118
https://youtu.be/-tIjm10-Fdo

>>6822143
>What's the best way to measure?
By drawing for years and years and honing your eye to a very high degree of accuracy. Also, use plumb lines

>Just the pencil method?
There are many pencil methods. What do you mean by pencil method? You should read Loomis' Figure Drawing book, his method of using the pencil to measure is very good, and doesn't make it a crutch. If you measure like him, you'll continue to be able to draw very well

>Do grids help at all?
They're great, and they don't eliminate the need to draw and know form. It's a good "halfway" point between tracing and drawing freehand.

>>6822119
Just focus on the big shapes for your studies, make them quick and do hundreds of them, don't beat yourself up if you don't get the shapes right the first time, but also don't just do them mindlessly, concentrate on which direction the stroke will go, what size and if it's placed correctly. That's all the advice I can give you regarding that, there really is no secret, atleast that I know of.
Now for advice to a younger me? Well I'd say that while classes and books definitely help and I encourage you to seek them, at the end of the day knowledge of something is only 20% of the battle, things will only *click* for you after you draw something hundreds of times, so be patient, younger me, and work hard and you WILL get better. Nice work on your second try btw.

>>6822126
holy schizophrenia batman i knew you are deranged judging by your posts let alone by your art but your gallery is a glimpse in the mind of a crazy person. absolutely mental. you have transcended stagnation, left behind regression and entered another dimension of existence where aesthetics do not exist. it seems like you literally cannot or care not to distinguish between what looks good or what looks bad. you are like a flesh automaton, producing pictures with no soul inside to guide your art. looking at your shit is like looking into the open eyes of a corpse.

This is probably a really dumb question, but what if I like a lot artists and I want to mimic lots of them? By that I mean what if the artists I like to study have completely opposite art styles, would it be better to just stick with one artist I like to study and be consistent with their style?
TL:DR: Would it be better to be stick with one artist style to maintain consistency?

Pic related is obviously not mine, but it's an example by what I mean by "completely opposite art style."

>>6822196
By all means study artists with different styles. Eclecticism is always cool in art

>>6822189
He might be a bit of a schizo but he got a job illustrating before you did

>>6822196
first of all, the underlying qualities that you like about opposite artist's works and styles might be not opposite themselves. perhaps what you are drawn to is for example "rough yet clear, bold lines and shapes" but different artists use those in different styles. or perhaps "stylization of features into the abstract, but realistic light and colors" - this too is broad enough to be found in different artist's works.

second you should not be too narrowly focused on this whole question of what style you should develop / imitate. you learn, progress, experiment and yes copy too - but in the end you have no choice about your style. it will always end up as an approximation of an "ideal" picture according to your taste. and your taste will evolve, and your willingness to pursue that style will fluctuate with how lazily and laid back or how dead serious you want your process of drawing to be.

as for what to do about having multiple idols specifically, i personally would advise you to copy / imitate / study all of them however you feel like to nurture that natural distillation and extraction of their aesthetic choices into your own art. that being said, if you want to improve your artstyle right fucking now and you dont care about how natural it will feel to draw in that style long term, hyper focus on one style.
focus = progress but fragile
relaxed "natural" switching according to your gut feeling = less progress but solidifying what you have so far

>>6822212
sure thing buddy
i too did a commission once
its not a big deal if you ask me

I feel like there’s more that can be done but I can’t quite put my finger on it so it’s done for now.

Did the base colors for this. When do you all usually decide to push a drawing to rendering/lighting. Sometimes I feel like I should just stop at base colors or at the sketch phase cause I feel like shit, or I lost my interest in it.

>>6820648
There is too much dragon.
Here, I just made it better.

>>6821836
I know this is off-topic but I posted my work on DeviantArt and now is being liked by bondage fetishist and I don't really know how to feel about it.
IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE COOM ART AAAAAARGH!

>>6822126
Why do you keep changing your drawing app?

>>6822064
I decided to ink it

>>6821457
Got source on that Nana Shimura?

>>6820309
>>6820404
>>6822119
>>6822179
20 min, again trying to understand her face

thank you for your input! i appreciate it

>>6822189
he enjoys drawing and actively improving and you don't do either of those things at get angry at him instead
who's winning?

>>6822286
> actively improving
look at his gallery and repeat that with a straight face i dare you lol
https://pawell2418.github.io/
this is borderline chris-chan tier of stagnation. admittedly at a higher level of effort but effort is not the measure of art quality

>>6822199
Alright then. I was just concerned whether or not I want to make stuff from imagination after copying a certain style for a while.

>>6822213
Thanks for the in depth reply anon. It's just the part is that I'm concerned the most is that I'm able to make stuff of my own after studying a single artist I like for a while. Like after copying, trying from imagination, to well making stuff from my own.
The art style part is just the underlying part of what I'm questioning. It's just whether or not I'm able to draw stuff from imagination after sticking to one artist for so long.
But I get what you mean, almost everything is stylization in a way, I just want to be more consistent AND then moving to a different style.
I just don't want to be all over the place between the artists I study.

>>6822287
not really seeing it, looks like progress to me.

why is it sometimes my drawings turn out really good and then other times theyre okay to bad. i feel like its rng i swear

>>6822289
i am not quite sure i understand your post
but if (one of) your concern(s) is the ability to produce art from imagination after studying other artists for a long time - why not make that simply part of your routine

for example after you copy some artists work, find a reference image that is somewhat similar (big tittied anime girl in a bikini -> photo of a japanese pin up girl in a similar pose wearing a bikini) and then try to copy that reference but "pretending" like you are the artist you study.
when you feel comfortable doing that, try creating a similar pic in a similar style from imagination right after studying a specific artists work.
if you feel overwhelmed by that, make it a bit easier for yourself and erase part of the artists work, and redraw, repaint, etc, in its place something that looks as close to the original as you can get.

you fear of getting rusty when it comes to producing own art vs copying others is valid, i notice it too. however i believe it is mostly dependent on the amount of *time* that you spend not drawing your own pictures --- its not the ratio between "your own art" and "copying".
what i mean is, if you create 9 pictures from your imagination and only 1 copy of another artists work, you can still be rusty and out of shape if there are weeks between each picture.
however if you create 9 copies and only 1 single original image, but you create 5 pictures per day, your ability to create from imagination would not suffer.
that example is oversimplified, but it gets the point across.
so it might be worth considering just to produce pictures faster at the cost of making them less polished

>>6822064
>>6822276
blog??

>>6822300
Yeah, sorry if my post didn't make that much sense. You pretty much answered my question though thank you. I'll just copy more for now and after copying them just try to draw from imagination right after.
>for example after you copy some artists work, find a reference image that is somewhat similar (big tittied anime girl in a bikini -> photo of a japanese pin up girl in a similar pose wearing a bikini) and then try to copy that reference but "pretending" like you are the artist you study.
when you feel comfortable doing that, try creating a similar pic in a similar style from imagination right after studying a specific artists work.
This is really good advice, thank you for your input anon!

>>6822233
There is still too much dragon.
I made even better.

>>6822300
Yeah, sorry if my post didn't make that much sense. You pretty much answered my question though thank you. I'll just copy more for now and after copying them just try to draw from imagination right after.
>for example after you copy some artists work, find a reference image that is somewhat similar (big tittied anime girl in a bikini -> photo of a japanese pin up girl in a similar pose wearing a bikini) and then try to copy that reference but "pretending" like you are the artist you study. when you feel comfortable doing that, try creating a similar pic in a similar style from imagination right after studying a specific artists work.
This is really good advice, I'll keep it in mind. thank you for your input anon!

>>6822318
I only have a pixiv acc
it's users/14735673

>>6822333
NTA, but how'd you achieve that manga-esque texture?

>>6822342
these are tone layers from clip studio paint

>>6820309
had to do another one, this one felt silly to paint

>>6822344
Ah alright thanks. Which pattern did you use? Or is it custom made? The ones I tried just make it too dark.

>>6822347
this one is real nice, got any tips for a total begginer at painting? also how fo you give it that texture is it a brush or a filter?

>>6822348
I used different tone layers for each shade
this one is for the hair
most of them I leave the frequency at 75 and change the density

>>6822356
Thank you! Gonna play with this for a bit. Once again thank you for compiling all this anon!

>>6822347
another quick one

>>6822350
thanks, it's mostly a textured brush.
Try painting in black and white first to get the values down and slowly introduce limited colors. Values are really where it's at for more traditional style painting.

>>6822386
>it's mostly a textured brush.
care to drop the name/file? been looking for one for a while

any idea how to make this eyebrow more visible without just changing the hair color? its really dark when its at its actual resolution and i dont want to change the hair because my layers are fucked

>>6822388
anon, you arent asking for such a simple brush thinking it is going to make you paint better arent you?

Let's say I copied this to put in my drawpile as a beg. What would I learn from doing so?

For drawing landscapes and environments, should I be studying master paintings or photos more? Either way I feel like I'm just copying what I see rather than learning anything and it's so frustrating uuuu

>>6822390
anon just use the oldest trick in the book

>>6822401
>I feel like I'm just copying what I see rather than learning anything
Did you read a perspective book beforehand? Are you deconstructing the landscape with perspective lines? You shouldn't just try to copy whats in the picture before you ubderstand or math out how it's constructed. Similar to anatomy in the sense that blind copying isn't going to activate your almonds as well as nowing how and where all important parts are and should be.

>should I be studying master paintings or photos more?
Both for different reasons. Deconstruct them and analyze them first, then build up the painting when you have a grasp of the perspective and shapes.

Looking for any and all critique

>>6822419
>Deconstruct them and analyze them first
I think this is where I'm failing. I'll come up with reasons to draw specific pieces instead of "just drawing" them, I guess. Thank you anon

>>6822425

NTA, but another way to think of it is to try and put yourself into the mindset of the master you're studying. Actively consider "How did he build this structure?" or "Why did he choose to do this?"

A lot of it will boil down to something like "that's how perspective works" but in the process you'll be trying on how other artists learned and understood fundamental facets of art, and in seeing where other artists overlap or deviate is where you'll learn your own path.

>>6820986
continuing to work on this

>>6822424
you traced the gun, and got so fucking lazy you did not spend a single thought on the grip and butt stock to make their perspective right
the figure is low beg
the clothing sucks
the hands dont match, did you trace one hand and guess the other?
the face is trash and soulless
the shoes are a joke
the phone is traced
the hair and tail are prebeg
i would call you the lowest scum of the bottom of the art bucket, but since AI exists now, you are only the second lowest scum
i am baffled by the sheer balls on people like you
every now and then i see such shameless tracing that gives me a second hand blow to my self esteem
how do you spend hours tracing, and then have the absolute confidence to post this shit like its nothing

>>6822395
no, i just cant find any with texture. is it that hard to drop a link to a brush? i have dropped all of the ones i bought on the brushes thread

>>6822457
>paying for brushes

>>6820309
Faces are too fucking hard. I give up. This took me hours, fuck.
Goodnight frens. See you tomorrow.

>>6822453
Calm your tits, holy shit.
I'm gonna write a proper critique now since you're so much of a retarded faggot.

>>6822424
Ears aren't symmetrical. Seemingly one starts from the side of the head, but the other from the middle of the head.
Back of the head is too flat.
I wouldn't draw eyebrows like you currently do, they feel too much like eyelashes. A bit more solid, thicker lines for them would work better. Can experiment if you want to keep your current way of drawing eyebrows, but alter it in some fashion.
Such a thick nose and a small nostril don't go together well. The nostril feels more like a piercing and that you've omitted to draw in the nostril for stylistic reasons.
Her hair seems frontloaded too much. The bangs seem to be positioned too much to the front and square.
The body seems proportionally wrong compared to the head.
The hips and ribs seem too thin, the puffy clothing makes it seem like her torso is barely larger than her neck.
Going with just curved lines for thighs and skirt to hide the hips isn't working in your favor. Either move the skirt down and hit hip shape through it, or move the skirt up and show more ass and hips. Currently seems like legs are escaping from a void.
Shoes seem mirrored when feet and shoes in general aren't symmetrical.
Props to you adding some depth to the gun. It feels a bit too flat still, but unclear if that isn't just lineart feel or if there is an unrelated issue that I perceive through the gun.

Keep working, anon. You'll get there.

>>6822453
>>6822472
thank you anons

>>6822287
only a year apart, i'd say hes doing quite well

>>6822486
both copies btw

>>6822487
okay u have a point but fuck you he's gmi stop being a crab and be a seahorse or something

>>6822453
Based

What do you think, loves

>>6822453
I traced the gun a bit but just boxes for perspective, all the details are drawn from reference
yes the phone is traced.. from the box i constructed to draw it. Did not trace the hands at all either

>>6822472
I dont know if her head should be smaller. Shes 6'3" and ive been accused of drawing her head too small in the past when shes actually just really tall. Now, I draw her head a bit bigger than I think it should be -- partly because she has a big head, partly cause thats sort of anime style

>>6822648
What the fuck is wrong with you, how can you think combining anime and these weird westoid bimbo features like the mouth and eyes, and this weird nose, this isn't a "style" it's just ugly and confusing. Either fully go with anime, or fully develop a western style, but mixing both never looks good. Copy more anime

oh sweet another schizo

>>6822189
>>6822286
>>6822287
>>6822486
>>6822487
>>6822493


Pawell is afraid, he almost never draws himself. He is just autistically copying every art book in existence, especially perspective, I don't get his obsession about perspective, especially the really technical parts about it, maybe he wants to become an architect? Idk. But this is 4chan for you, a point where the universe funnels it's autist and schizos into a single concentrated point for all to see, but this is what makes it so great.

>>6822614
needs more exaggeration and emotion

>>6822655
The ratios are sort of fine, the head could even stand to be a bit bigger. The bigger problem is her stick figure body and a seemingly elongated torso. I think you got the shape of a tall women right for the most part, but a few key sections being off makes it look worse.
As mentioned previously - legs coming out of the skirt without any real indication of hips. Not mentioned before - the lower section of the sweater, the large band across her groin area combined with the gun obscuring part of her and the torso being leaned back like that make it seem like she's been cut in half and her lower half is shifting one way and the top half the other.
I would recommend a figure drawing or two of a tall broad just to make sure you aren't trying to make a stick figure and hiding it with clothing.

>>6822695
>He doesn't experiment to find an artstyle that appeals to him.
Cowards will never be trendsetters.

>>6822648
Needs work and experimentation. Don't let those other niggas demoralize you, but trying to copy similar artists or animus that do it better would be a good call.

protip: for quality gains, take whatever advice you hear from /ic/, and do the exact opposite.

this is true for all of this website.

>>6822778
I will not use this advice, thank you

>>6822781
see you're already learning

>>6822778
Remember to work hard on the things that are important to you, keep healthy and feel love as much as possible.

>>6820273
Whenever I try to do a study by filling the entire page it always end up too big, happened with the upside down Stravinsky in the sticky too. How fix? just draw more?

>>6822812
Take more measurements. Mark the top and bottom of your page's drawing area and the top and bottom of the thing you are drawing, divide them vertically into 4 or 8 parts. Use these parts as waymarks so you can better recreate the subject.

>>6822493
yeah he's gmi its just a matter of when he starts drawing the thing he wants to instead of going proko mode
he wants to draw porn btw

is just doing gesture drawing ok for newbies? I seem to massively suck at accurately drawing.
The doodle at the bottom left sucks but looks much better to me compared to drawings for practice.

>>6822867
GMI

>>6822870
what does this mean? I am a complete newbie

>>6822870
oh now i know the meaning Thank You!!

>>6822884
I stagnated / became worse last 10 years i think.
Mainly because I only drew 3 days every year because of low motivation (by schizophrenia) but I wish I can change this time!

>>6822704
Looks like good practice.
Pastel crayons?

>>6822867
gesture is the first stage in a process
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H2NNpnN8a8
you seem to be skipping from gesture to contour, instead of thinking of the perspective/volumes

>>6822906
Thanks!

>>6822906
Yeah you are right i didn't even knew that
Will save your comment on phone and read again and again thank you again

>>6822906
What you are telling me might be because my schizophrenia and insomnia is lowering my learning ability. No excuses anyway! Ty for telling me valuable advice!

>>6822933
Watching the Hampton YouTube clip but can't understand the volume and perspective. I am so over T_T

>>6822831
>wants to draw porn
>does an autistic deep dive into perspective where he copies everything in a book without applying the lessons to any drawings of his own

I personally don't give a shit, but I can are why he frustrates people

I’m still not drawing.

>>6822333
Wait a sec, are you the same Anon who drew this? keep up the good work bro, I really like your art

Uni Nano Dia's Mint Blue is great for simplified shapes but do you know of a mech that doesn't choke the lead?

Sketching on company time hits different

It's hard but I think I get the torso and gesture
now, next lesson is leg

how do you guys like my new pro- I mean drawing I took 20 hours to do? I just upscaled it with AI since I forgot to draw it in a high resolution, so this is why there are some weird things, don't worry.

>>6822398
Well, I found something important to glean from this image other than how cool it looks.
I haven't read formally about construction, but as a beginner what can I do better?

>>6823208
That's a weird looking JO crystal.

>>6822831
oh that's his endgame? fuck him then i'm going to start crabbing him too

>>6823214
OA here. Looking at this, I realize I fucked up with the legs. The beginning of the thighs and the beginning of the knees should be nearly parallel to one another.

>>6823028
yes it's me,
thanks lad, I really appreciate it

new thread

in five

>>6823280
>>6823286
Should we wait until page 10?

>>6823292
negative
thread launch sequence cannot be aborted
in four

in three
pawell get your shizo shit together and make the new thread or i swear to god i will make it myself with this as the OP image

>>6823346
>>6823346

new

>>6823346
>>6823346

thread

Would've been hyped for a Stainboy meets Salad Fingers straight to VHSextravaganza

any anatomy courses i can pirate that people recommend? I'm going to have free time on my hands soon and I found the trying to learn from a lot of people resources that are pinned to the board hasn't really worked for me because I think I need a video setting to learn ;_;
excuse fetish art it's the only thing i have that I've drawn in weeks

>>6821370
Thanks anon, and sorry for the late-ass reply (and bumping a dying thread back into misery).

I would advise against setting these drawings as a milestone for your development. Especially in the Kirk Douglas portrait, my brushwork feels rushed and undeliberate, and I demonstrate a shoddy understanding on soft and hard edges and, consequently, how to capture form. It's why I posted them in the beg thread. I'll concede they don't look as bad from afar/as thumbnails, so I guess I managed to capture a fraction of that form?

I wish I had any valuable advice to give you, but from where I stand I'm as clueless as the next guy. There is not much insight to give in my technique; I just crudely imitate a photo and hopefully I glean a thing or two from it. Though, it's only been less than a month since I started practising that seriously and consciously--until I rest on my oars again anyway lol

>>6824570
Thats ok anon, thanks for the reply
And good luck with your art

Hello Anons, I have been aimless for about 3 days as to what to study to fulfill what I want to learn.
I want to study body construction and anatomy more, but I can't find a book in E-hentai that convinces me, maybe I don't search enough so I just end up studying something on Pinterest (although I notice those references are somewhat poorly done) any advice to be able to continue with what i want to learn

Should I take reference photos of people?
I attach my latest study of Miguel Ohara's gesticulation

>>6825844
And this is the last piece that I did of the full body, I know that it can be improved a lot and that is why I want to study more the construction of the bodies and anatomy, both male and female, but I don't know where to look for that information.