/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6789703
>Check out the webm to understand how bad they are
Yours truly.

Worth it?

So does the textured drawing surface really have a strong, degrading effect on the pen?

How much harder is it to draw on a smooth surface though?

>>6789738
>How much harder is it to draw on a smooth surface though?
It shouldn't matter that much on a screenless graphics tablet. You will be using tripod grip for all your drawing and not making particularly big strokes, so just get used to it.
The nib destroyer 5000 is real on the newer intuos pros.

How does drawing on the Galaxy Tab S8 Ultra compare to a 15.6" desktop tablet?

>>6789714
he won't be able to explain this.

>>6789750
It's subjective.
For me, the Galaxy S8/S9 Ultra is a far better investment than any 15.6" deskrop display tablet. They have the same screen height dimensions, but the desktop tablets have more width, which is mostly redundant if you're drawing characters.
The Galaxy Tab Ultra meanwhile has a far better screen (Amoled), 120Hz, a wider variety of drawing apps and can still function perfectly as a desktop tablet with superDisplay.

>>6788995
thanks, very helpful
>>6789746
>The nib destroyer 5000 is real on the newer intuos pros.

How bad are we talking? I can afford to buy new nibs, but are we talking needing a new one each month or? Smaller bezels is possibly worth it for me.

>>6789757
>How bad are we talking? I can afford to buy new nibs, but are we talking needing a new one each month or? Smaller bezels is possibly worth it for me.
Depends how much pressure you apply when drawing. Nibs can actually last a long time so long as you're a light drawer.

Of course, drawing lightly means forgoing the meme of muh over 9000 pressure levels, but of course that shouldn't matter.

>>6789703
https://docs.thesevenpens.com/drawtab/buying-a-drawing-tablet
Y'all should add this as a regular guide to the OP post in the threads. This guy has autistically documented multiple tablets so I figured it would be useful to include here.

>>6789866
wacumguzzler will never add anything of value to the OP.

>>6789869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRwzPJPA_5A
No, that guy's made in depth analysis of tablets in general. He isn't sponsored by any companies and buys thing with his own money. It seems like he's doing this because he enjoys documenting tech.

>>6789887
I think you misunderstood. I'm saying the schizophrenic retard that makes these threads will never add anything people suggest to the OP because he's copy pasted the exact same thing for over 3 years and doesn't even draw.

>>6789910
Ahhh I see. Maybe I should make one instead, that 7pens person has basically created something equivalent to the "Sticky" thats posted here but specifically for every drawing tablets (including iPads). I'll also include some strats and reviews that I think are helpful. Generally I agree with some of the points in the OP but some of it is outdated...

>even wacom shill can’t defend this
It’s over

>>6789919
>Maybe I should make one instead
good luck with that. I assume you're new here and don't quite understand the extent to just how autistic he is.

>>6789923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6eJBgwcVmE

>>6789703
you guys know if wacom is gonna release new 20+ consumer priced tablets any sooner? I have the normal cintiq16 for years now and would like to upgrade under 1000$ if possible.

>>6789988
>consumer priced
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
LOOOOOOOOOL
$600 + tax + tip + extra if you want a pen or stand for the shittiest entry level product that's unironically lower quality than the competition's $200 offerings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNj6vxx0FWM
Another useful video that explains why quality is important for display tablets, and why the iPads are so good

How bad is the feeling of drawing on an ipad's glass screen?

>>6790027
7

should I buy a wacom?

>>6790044
Sure. Get one used off craigslist or ebay.

>>6790044
sorry I meant to ask should I buy a wacom or a huion I heard huion are about the same quality from an ergo josh video but they're about half the price?

>>6790054
I got distracted while typing my post sorry. see
>>6790057

>>6790057
>>6790058
you’re a fucking idiot and deserve all the mistakes you make in life including buying a tablet

but you’re also a dumb fucking beginner that doesn’t even draw yet so buy whatever’s cheapest you won’t be able to tell the fucking difference anyways

>>6790147
Why are you such an asshole? You know nothing about me...

>>6790159
>I heard huion are about the same quality from an ergo josh video but they're about half the price?

I know enough about you to know you're fucking retarded.

>>6790174
Are you the wacom guy people keep complaining about? I just want an unbiased answer on which I should get, preferably someone with experience...

>>6790196
can anyone post a drawing you made and what tablet you use? It would help me know if I should bother listening to you or not. I'm kind of leaning towads the huion since I can't imagine its really that much different but if anyone has tried both it would help a lot, thanks!

>>6790217
All you need to know from Wacom is they just released a new line of tablets that DO NOT include the pen or any cable required to make it work

>>6790225
...what? Like all you get is the tablet itself?

>>6790231
yeah lmao theyre scummy like that now

>>6790245
they sound exactly like apple. Should I just get the huion then? I don't really want to support horrible business practices like that. But like is huion any better? I can't imagine china being consumer friendly...

>>6789764
suppose I draw heavy, what's my worst-case

>>6790245
Japs are going mad for that sustainable ESG money.

>>6790263
>is huion any better?
tablet, pen, pen holder (that houses your nibs) stand that's adjustable to basically any angle up to almost 90 degrees, all necessary cables, 2 drawing gloves, and 10 spare nibs.
all for 1/3 the price

>>6790300
How are the all-in-one huions compared to the Mobile Studio?

>>6790263
apple at least outperforms their competitors to give some justification to premium priced hardware.
wacom doesn’t even do that anymore and their era of cutting tech is long dead.
i have no idea who their buyers are these days.

>>6790434
I've never used one so I'm just going off reviews and shit I've seen. But basically picture a 16 inch" surface pro but with a good pen and a screen actually designed for drawing. as in etched glass, high color accuracy, wide color gamut, high contrast ratio, 2.5k resolution.

same hinge design as a surface pro but it also comes with a separate stand that's more rigid. Battery life is supposedly pretty shit at like 3-4 hours, and it doesn't come with any kind of keyboard. Unlike the wacom mobilestudio, it doesn't have any shortcut keys on the bezel either, so you'd want to pair it with a bluetooth keyboard or one of the many shortcut remotes (tourbox, huion keydial, bluetooth numpad, whatever).
Also it has actual responsive touch screen like you'd find on any tablet (ipad, surface pro, whatever) unlike what's found on most display tablets. As great as cintiqs are for example, their touch functionality is fucking atrocious.

>>6790300
>Lions teeth aren't inline with jaw
This makes me like huion less.

>>6790027
Not great, it's a hard piece of plastic sliding on glass, there's barely any friction. You can get softer nibs, or one of those paper feel screen protectors, if you don't mind the loss in image quality and chewing through nibs. Personally, I got used to it, but nibs are really cheap, so I recommend going for those.

>>6789937
4 years ago is when that wacumguzzler stopped taking his meds

op is a massive faggot

>>6789703
Hi Aaron

>>6789703
>be wacumguzzler
>shills the fuck out wacum
>this just makes people buy anything but wacum
kek

>>6789923
Is it called Wacom one because you only get one thing in the box.

>chang having a meltdown
all is well.

>>6790614
Kek

>>6790615
who even is chang? Is it just anyone that doesn't blindly bow to wacom? Because damn son, you can't even pretend a $600 tablet coming without the things it needs to be functional isn't retarded.

>>6790655
>Wacom? One
>Schizo works? Zero

>>6790655
don't engage him, it's not worth it

>not even the schizo wants to acknowledge the new wacum bullshit
damn its THAT bad

>>6790614

>>6790759
I just don't get what the point of making the general is. Why insist on creating it every time if he has no interest in actual discussion about the topic, and basically wants nothing but worship for his brand of choice?
It seems so pointless.

>>6790775
>11,6 inch
>1920x1080
>300 dollar for literally just the tablet no cable, no pen, or adapter, nothing
>the actual price is around 420 dollar +50 for a basic bitch stand
>470 for a fucking 11 inch entry level display

>the 13 is 500, with the device only, thus 670 dollar
>a brand new cintiq 16 is 600 dollar

What the fuck were they thinking?

>>6791251
>What the fuck were they thinking
People like op and the guy that keeps shilling the cintiq 27 will throw money at wacom no matter what they put out.
It would be like if Apple released an iPhone and didn't include a charger in the box but people bought their garbage anyway. Oh wait...

>>6791251
I'm honestly a bit jealous of the single usb-C for power/video/data

Do you guys think 128gb is enough for ipads or should I play it safe and go for 256 instead? I mostly plan on using it for drawing, making a bit of music, and uni stuff like textbooks and notetaking. I don't plan on keeping my whole library of lossless music files or 4k videos on there or anything but for things like ebooks, procreate files, and reference pics I'd rather keep em on the device and not have to move things back and forth with my external drives.

>>6791251
is it at least a proper quality laminated screen with etched glass?

>>6791515
128gb of reference files is a lot of fucking images. I got by fine with 32gb for a few years.
>>6791520
lol
no

>>6791251
it has specs on par with cintiq

>>6791515
It's more than enough, my usecase is pretty much the same (minus music making) and I can't even get my 64gigs maxed out. As long as you don't install any games, you should be fine.

>>6789703
i just use the trackpad on my laptop when i want to draw on the computer. never understood the whole tablet thing

>>6791605
0/10

>>6789703
Isn't the intuos ctl4100k better than the wacom one(screenless)?

>>6791679
on what scale lmao

>>6790438
it doesn't tho and they intentionally stiff you wherever they can so you buy their overpriced garbage

>>6791693
Bait

>>6790438
>outperforms their competitors
Kek

Need some advice on what the best express keys/shortcuts I should map to my tablet and pen so I don't have to keep reaching over to my keyboard all the time. Where do you map you eraser and undo, and also what other things should I have a super fast way to do? I want this to feel as fluid as traditional drawing as I can.

Another question, how do you determine a good pen pressure to use? I never seem to be happy with it no matter how much I experiment.

Thanks.

just start
want digi
cheap draw?
good pen?
need reco

How much should I pay for a used Intuos 4 or 5 large? Assuming good condition

>>6792078
Wa
or
Hu

What 16' tablet should I go for as someone who's gone from an early 2010's screenless Intuos to an iPad Pro that needs to go back to the Windows ecosystem again for 2D art and a little 3D assets on the side? It's not fair to compare different tech but the iPad + Procreate blew me away (never had a problem with the bare glass screen). I heard Wacom is the only other brand where the pen is sensitive enough to activate when it only rests on the screen but fuck their prices. The Huion 16 2.5k seems economical enough but I'm not familiar with their products, thoughts?

>>6792608
Buy a huion from Amazon, see if it suits your needs. If it doesn't, return it.

>>6790438
>apple at least outperforms their competitors to give some justification to premium priced hardware.
No, apple NPCs are just paying extra for the brand name.

>>6792608
Avoid Huion and XP Pen, their pens are trash and have inconsistent pressure curves. Chang will try to tell you otherwise, ignore him: >>6792615

If you want to get back into the windows ecosystem, but like your iPad, just pick up an app called Astropad. Lets the iPad function as a desktop display tablet and actually works quite well.

>>6792672
PYW

>>6789752
First example is just the eraser tool revealing a vector stroke. Second example is a shape layer array with wigglepaths in after effects. Third example is a display capture from OBS and the user is just following the recorded cursor (note nothing drawn). Fourth example is the built-in line tool.

>>6792703
Holy fucking schizo

>>6791894
wasn;t even meant to be bait lol. i really draw on my trackpad.

>>6792729
Can you do this
>>6792680

Curious what trackpad art looks

>>6792734
sure, it's about what you'd expect. i like mspaint.
here's something i was scratching at this morning

>>6792740
Based work poster
Oddly horrifying to look at but very based.

>>6792743
>oddly horrifying
yeah... i've gotten this my whole life lmao
thanks anon

>>6792703
>a shape layer array with wigglepaths
I genuinely done even know what this means. Good to know you think my 5 second scribbles are so good that I must have cheated though. Wacumguzzler really accidentally admitting that huion tablets are good is a fun sight to see.

>>6791401
Yeah but if you want to target the "does this come with windows preinstalled" or "my first display tablet" crowd which is supposed to be the target audience, you are much better off with a samsung tab or the competition. Even a 16 cintiq is a better choice.
I genuinely dont understand why this product exists, as even the older gen wacom one is a better choice.

>>6793027
They're banking on their fanboys to talk them up enough so people think they're the only option.

>>6793027
Yeah, even iPads or Samsung tablets are better for beginner digital artists as if they dont use it for artwork they'd still be using it for anything else a standalone tablet could do. Tho generally a first timer would go for screenless tablets since that is a much safer investment to test the waters.

>>6793027
The only thing going for it is the single usb c connection.

>>6793027
genuinely understanding anything at all seems to be outside the scope of your retarded mind, true

Samsung tablets are garbage with no market share for a reason

>>6793728
>op says not to buy a wacom one
>op now defends wacom one because it's made by his employer

Can some non schizo please answer.
Secondhand Intuos Pro M (2013 version), worth it in 2023?

I got a coupon at work today that will give me a discount on a reseller that has a huion 13 kamvas that I could buy, or I could buy my niece's "old" (barely used) galaxy S8. Which one is better? The huion is bigger (2" difference)

Looking for a drawing tablet to go with my PC setup.
I'm considering just getting an iPad but I'm wary of touching anything apple.

Is there anything good out there for under $1000?

>>6793964
>I'm considering just getting an iPad but I'm wary of touching anything apple.

do you say the same thing about women to excuse why you're a fucking incel

anyways you're retarded so I'll tell you that Huion is The Best You Can Get so Spend All Money On Huion huion good huion best BETTER or as WOrse than Wacom at a quarter of the price get HUION NUMBER #1

anti-brand retards deserve every stupid mistake they ever make might as well be bragging about how you only ever drink one brand of beer because It's The Best and you're A Man

>>6793974
Meds, holy hell

>>6793974
>anti-brand retards deserve every stupid mistake they ever make
unless you're anti chinese brands of course, right?

>>6794056
the brand doesn't fucking matter, only performance

and there are FACTS like the cintiq pro 27 being the greatest tablet of all time

you can argue about value all you want, and for incels that don't even fucking draw (like the people that post in these threads) it doesn't really matter what you buy because you won't be touching it more than once a month (unlike women who you won't be touching at all)

>>6794063
ywnbaw

>>6794090
same
you will never be a wacom

>>6794113
thank god

I just got a one by wacom and I was wondering how resistant its surface is. Like how long until it starts scratching? should I get a screen protector? if I can't get one, can I just use clear book cover?

helplease

>>6794063
>of all time
yeah? so 30 years from now when you can pick up a cintiq 27 for $20 at goodwill, it will still be the best option available?

>be me
>clicks on /dtg/
>schizo op
>said schizo got assblasted again
>its having a meltdown
holy kek

>>6793974
>blatantly anti-brand
>complain about people that are anti-brand
what did he mean by this?

>>6793974
Look bro, I just want a drawing tablet that doesn't cost upwards of $2000-3000. I'm not a professional artist. This is a hobby for me.

I just want something that's color accurate, touch accurate, and good build quality. That's it. I don't want to buy something just because it comes from a major brand. That's what I'm afraid of, that's why I came here.

So I'm very close to pulling the trigger on the new xp pen artist pro 14 2nd gen since it has everything I'd need in a screen tablet

Want some thoughts on it though

>>6794263
I got a kamvas 22 plus a bit over a year ago and don't really have any complaints. If you can find one in your budget though, the rds 220 is the updated version of it as far as I can tell.
They're nearly identical, except the rds220 is 1440p instead of 1080p, amd has a very slightly improved color gamut. Only thing worse (according to specs) us maximum brightness is a bit worse.

>>6794263
>>6794283
At this point the iPad seems good enough. I don't see much of a reason not to go with it. The 9th Gen seems budget friendly and apparently has a high ppi too.

Anything under $1000 is within my budget. I'll definitely consider this. Although idk how any of these match up though

>>6794286
Depends if you want portability or not. Almost any dedicated drawing tablet will feel better to use than an iPad, even with a matte paper textured screen protector.
Since getting a desktop tablet again, I've only used my iPad a handful of times, and strictly for sketching on my couch.
What I've suggested before and will say again is buy one off amazon and just return it if you don't like it. I bought like 5 different tablets before settling on the 22 plus.

>>6794298
According to 90% of this board (afaik which is literally just today I've only been on this board once), Huion sucks shit up a straw.

Is this a meme? I'm a total newb I wouldn't know. I just want something that works and has what I need and makes drawing easier and better

>>6794308
Post 2016 Huion is good, just pick a tablet that suits your needs
Also, it's not 90% of the board, it's the wacumguzzler

>>6794313
Fair enough. It doesn't seem to have a lot of reviews on Amazon but worst case scenario I return it. Tnx bro

>>6794308
>According to 90% of this board
There are 2 extremely diehard wacom fanatics that will tell you there's nothing worth buying other than wacom. One is the wacumguzzler, the retard that made this thread, and the other is this psychotic faggot
>>6794063
That will tell you to sell your firstborn to buy a cintiq 27, because nothing else is worth buying.

Huion of old was shit. Huion as of ~2019 to present is fine. A lot of independent pros not using whatever their studio buys them have switched to huion and xppen, because they're the same quality but at 1/3 the price.

>>6789703
anyone with kamvas 22 plus?
how long have you been using it?
any problem? would you honestly recommend it?

>>6794402
Read up like 10 posts.

>>6793913
This isn't bait, please respond

>>6793913
Of the two, I think s8. Display tablets under 16" are pretty shit to use when you factor in screen real-estate lost to UI. Mobile drawing apps tend to lend themselves to smaller screens better for this reason (and their integration of touch controls)
16" is smallest I'd use for a desktop tablet.

>>6794454
Thanks, anon. I was worried about the S8 being too small but I didn't take the smaller UI into account.

>>6794466
I'd be more concerned that you didn't take the S8-is-a-fucking-garbage-tablet-when-it-comes-to-actually-drawing-on-it part of the equation into account

>>6794504
Fuck off, schizo

>>6794267

I have one. wish i bought something i could take around with me like a galaxy tab or ipad instead. If you do want this purchase a parblo pr 100 stand to go with it. 14 pro sits nicely in it. I've also run into issues with calibration with the pen contact being slightly offset. might be a skill issue though.

>>6794448
Galaxy S8 no brainer. The Wacom digitizer will always be better than chinese knock offs.

>>6794620
>galaxy tab
>wacom digitizer

LMFAO you would know somethign about living without a fucking brain you piece of shit lmao

do you really thingk

ertyhiok';

realyl
really actually HONESTLY (no shitposting for one post) think that the galaxy tabs have anything even fucking REMOTLy goddamn close to what wacom uses in first prrty hardwaaree lmaaaaaaaaaaaojooooooooooooo


come on come the fuck on seriously do you really

>>6794626
>LMFAO you would know somethign about living without a fucking brain you piece of shit lmao

>do you really thingk

>ertyhiok';

>realyl
>really actually HONESTLY (no shitposting for one post) think that the galaxy tabs have anything even fucking REMOTLy goddamn close to what wacom uses in first prrty hardwaaree lmaaaaaaaaaaaojooooooooooooo


>come on come the fuck on seriously do you really

>>6794631
>chang has to racebait to try draw attention from his Samsung(tm) sponsored posts about how the Galaxy Tab(tm) uses Wacom(r) digitizer technology while being a fraction of the cost (while not sacrificing on that high-end Wacom(r) performance!)

>>6794638
Calm down Aaron.
Dont you have a video about the new Wacom One to make? I'd like to see your face while trying to defend that shit.

>>6794640
Why would I defend bottom tier hardware? You're better off getting something like the Kamvas Pro or any other company's "pro" lines than you are with getting Wacom's One line of devices. That stuff is barely above being a signature input device.

That being said, other company's pro lines can't compare to Wacom's and much less be even uttered in the same sentence as the Cintiq Pro 27

im currently using a surface pro but i'm curious if there's a way to set it up as a drawing tablet for my pc since it's significantly more powerful.

>>6794402
I don't think 1080p is good enough these days.

>>6794766
1080p on a 22" display isn't substantially less ppi than 1440p on a 24".

>>6789726
yes and no.
wether its a tiny wacom tablet or that one with a big screen will make no difference and the quality of your art will not improve.
I bought my wacom cintiq only as a flex. its definitely more fun to draw on.
the only thing I will admit makes the cintiq tablet better is that you get a better feeling for drawing on paper with a normal pen

>>6795057
>only as a flex
No one is impressed though so how is it a flex?

>>6795060
my friends sure did like it when they tried it :-)

if you havent realized it, the flex is, i have friends and you dont bitch

>>6795068
With that attitude, I highly doubt it.

>>6795080
its ok anon, I will be your friend

>>6793913
The Tab S8. I have just recently bought one and it's pretty versatile and still quite good for drawing. My initial use for it is for some light work while on the go (think: excel sheets, daily reports with microsoft word, etc) and IMO the snappiness of the tablet makes it very pleasant to use. Plus if you could get it with the book cover it's a very useful portable mini laptop.

Also, eventhough the 13" is bigger than the Tab S8 11", Huion Kamvas runs on PC with no touch support. So it means you will have to rely on desktop UI experience with smaller buttons and tool panels. With the S8, drawing apps nowadays are better designed to be minimalistic like Infinite Painter, Ibispaint, and also CSP with simple mode, and they support gestures so you actually have more drawing space than the Huion. So yeah, go with the S8.

Pen quality is more or less the same and wont really matter unless you're at professional level and really need that extra precision

Are you guys arguing with the resident wacom schizo again? Dont engage the schizo

>>6795194
This should be on OP,but since the schizo were faster this time we got the wacum ballsucking OP

When ignored, he throws a bitch fit and spams the thread until someone gives him crumbs of attention

The Japanese are trying to filter me again. They can't just gatekeep the 4K 16" new screen tablet with the epic new pen tech to themselves. Price is around $600.

>>6795521
3,2,1...

>>6795521
why not just make the remote a full sized numpad? why give less shortcuts

>>6795435
I, too, make fanfics that involve there being only me and one other poster in these threads. It helps sooth my male fragility to imagine that there is only one person that can possibly be disagreeing with me, and that he's the crazy one not me I'm good I'm cool I'm always right he's insanecrazy don't interact with him DONT DO IT HES INSANE

>>6795169
>>6794620
Also thanks. I'll get the S8 and use that coupon for something else then

>schizo is back
didn't we have normal /dtg/ threads a few weeks back? I thought schizo-kun finally left.

>>6795864
>I'm good I'm cool I'm always right he's insanecrazy don't interact with him DONT DO IT HES INSANE
m e d s

How common is it for a Wacom Intuos Pro 16 to die after a year of purchase? I bought one and had fun with it but then out of no where the power plug started to fail so I couldn't turn it on. I had to spend a lot of time moving the cord to make it turn on and then tape the cable to ensure it wouldn't move because that would cause it to turn off. Now I can't get it to turn on no matter what so I have to send it for repairs. What a fucking disappointment for more than 1000$

Anons I have a Kamvas 13, what tablet size wise would be a good upgrade?

>>6794283
ty anon i will probably get that. one issue is i don't have a ton of room, even using my little 60$ wacom it fights for desk space. can these things sit in your lap, or hook onto somewhere on the desk? or is it just a stand. worried even the 19in will be too much.

>>6795994
22" tablets are about the same size as a modern 24" monitor. If you don't have room for an additionalal monitor on your desk, you probably won't be able to make any 20+" tablet work.
16" might work better if you have to tuck it away when it's not in use.

>>6789703
Anybody uses Cintweak keyboard tray?
How is it?

>>6796286
they’re excellent and the new model is adjustable to use on any tablet
not necessary if you have a cintiq pro 27 though, since that has its own tray accessory

Is there any real alternative to the Intuos Pro?
Im looking for a new screenless and I was hoping there was a decent alternative to Wacom by now.
I've heard things about Xencelabs tablet and the Huion Giano, are they good (or at least equivalent) compared to the Intuos Pro?
Speaking of wacom, is it known if a new version of the Intuos Pro is being released anytime soon?

screenless tablet is good only for osu, i can't get used to it no matter what

>>6796435
As someone that only uses display tablets, what differs from one pen tablet to another? It seems like without the screen quality concerns, they'd all be nearly identical.

>>6795922
His art youtube account isnt taking off so the schizo is desperate to create another drama for clout

>>6796656
Wacom has better line consistency and pressure response than Chinese knock-off brands.

>>6796700
You surely have facts and proof to back that claim.
Because the Xencelabs tab or the Inspiroy Giano look like they perform better than the Intuos Pro.

>>6796712
of course you're too stupid to see your own hypocrisy here.

>>6796700
I wanted an answer from someone that actually draws.

>>6796724
Honestly when it comes to screenless tablets its mostly down to personal preferences.
You cant judge resolution, pixels, colour accuracy, none of that technical shit, so it ends up boiling down to how drawing on it feels.
>is the pen accurate enough
>how does the pen feel in the hand?
>are the lines precise?
>hows the surface texture? how does it feel?
>how are the express key? dial?
>what about the size?
>does it have a low profile?

>>6795922
>>6796668
When the site went offline,he vanished for a time
Then unfortunately he came back

>>6789703
>>6789714

>Three years later
>Same one shill still runs the thread every day.

Hey remember It's me, Chang I was shitting on you and posting better lines on my Xp-Pen than you shitter sould ever hope to drawl? I don't even use that tablet anymore and there you are still shilling same video each day.

Currently using a Samsung S7+ and planning on upgrading to the Ultra.

The mobile experience is just superior to the PC. The CSP Jews aren't fixing the performance on the PC because they can't milk the subscriptions but in the mobile it's optimised the fuck out of and runs far snappier and more responsive than on any PC.

It's the full package
>Precise pen that draws at the very tip at any angle
>Super thin glass you almost touch the pixels
>Optimised software and firmware for low latency and responsive input.

The PC is basically the abandoned platform, now that a 15" Samsung exists you don't need the PC for anything.

But if you're on a budget and need something to start I can recommend Xp-Pen.

>>6796724
>I wanted an answer from someone that actually draws.

The difference is mainly in the feel.
Some tablets feel slick and slippery, the pen would be harder to control, the others may feel really rough and your pen would grip the surface, that actually helps controlling the motion, an actual pencil on paper feels like a really rough tablet.

Also there's a whole shitfest about the minimal actuation pressure, the Xp-Pen that I had required you to press a little bit to even begin detecting the pressure, it wouldn't detect a light touch. I got used to it and in fact used to my advantage, you could touch the tablet lightly and try the stroke before actually pressing down and drawing it, same as you can with a hard pencil in real life but some anons just hated it.

None of it is consequential and it's all just a matter of getting used to and acquiring taste for it. In reality anything may work for you.

A Samsung tablet you can buy right now has a stiffer pen with worse pressure sensitivity than an Xp-Pen but none of it fucking matters and I prefer using a Samsung because the software and the experience as the whole is far superior on mobile.

Basically this day and age if you have 1000$ just buy a Samsung Ultra, if you don't then use whatever screen less and save up for the Ultra.

>>6796915
So the wacom schizo really is just Aaron then huh?

what's the "intermediate" level screen tablet these days? (20"+, 4k around, 1000$) I need more precision for digital inking but can't break the bank for the newest wacom.

>>6796992
Probably,this might be the reason for not posting his work
But his art is mediocre anyway

>>6797013
4k is overrated, it's nice, don't fixate on it. As long as it's higher than 1080p it's good, 1440p or whatever.

Since you said precision I can't help but shill Samsung. Precision on them is exceptional there isn't even a calibration feature but it at always feels like you're drawing with the tip of your pen right on the pixels at any angle, there's no drift, no deviation and no error, the glass is very thin and the display while under 4k resolution is exceptionally crisp.

Something about their drivers and input also makes it feel snappier and more responsive than anything on PC.

The default pen I got with the S7+ felt unreasonably stiff OOB but it broke in with some use and you can use third party pens as well such as Staedtler Norris Digital or Wacom One pen.

What tablet would you get if you had no budget?

>>6797013
Kamvas 24 plus (2.5k, about $700 iirc)
Or 2nd hand kamvas 4k. There's no 4k 20"+ for under $1000.

>>6797032
>As long as it's higher than 1080p it's good, 1440p or whatever
highly dependent on the size of the screen. 1440 on a 24" display is barely more ppi than 1080p on a 20-22". And both have visible pixelation with the distance you sit from them, so it doesn't really matter either way.

>>6797038
Huion h610 v2, served me well and costs piss. I work on a cintiq now though

>>6797038
Search thrift stores and marketplace/offerup/Craigslist. I've seem several tablets at thrift stores for next to nothing (about 50% of the time with pen still)
I got a first gen ipad pro for $100 3 or 4 years ago that served me well (surprisingly wasn't stolen)
I've seen older cintiqs for like $20-50 2nd hand

>>6797038
I started drawing on a shitty small Wacom Graphire that's probably older than I am but it was just too fucking shitty I was struggling to do anything with it.

Then I got a Huion H610p an old one with a rechargable pen and learned to draw and started earning money with. The modern bargain bin tablets are much better whether that's Huion or Xp-Pen.

>>6797182
T. Chang

>>6797191
Yeah that's me, see >>6796937

I checked the board three years later and you're still there you shit eating miserable loser lmao. Or was it four years?

Why don't you just kill yourself Aaron?

>>6789703
>Intuos 3
>Best screenless tablet

AMEN. Bought Intuos 3 A5 wide in something like 2008. Despite the name, the drawing area is pretty much an A4. No planned obsolescence scratchy surface, still on first nib. It has scratches but they are all hairline ones so they don't show.

Years ago thought I'd treat myself to a smaller and portable Wacom tablet and got one of the new ones. Nib was gone in a month and the surface was scratched to hell and back. Love when companies worsen their product on purpose.

I never got the "more paper like feel" bs, it's marketing propaganda. The old tablets may have been smooth plastic but at least they are durable. Cintiqs are hard surfaces anyway, not to mention iPads, or any other screen tablet. Industry pros would use them just fine for years. Never letting go of my Intuos 3, it will last until I die.

>>6798094
>still on first nib
Just means you barely used it.

Where's a good place for large screen protectors? I picked up a 20" Kamvas for 200 bucks. Aliexpress seems to just sell 12" tablet shit, and it seems a bit absurd to spend 30 bucks on a screen protector.

>>6798102
nta but I've been drawing every day for over a year and I'm still on my original nib. Does everyone else push down hard or something?

>>6798177
It's a $200 tablet, why the fuck are you caring about a screen protector for it
if protecting a """""$200 investment""""" is that important to you you have far far better things to worry about

>>6798246
Man, you're really salty people aren't buying wacom shit, huh? I'm sorry I don't want to spend 2k on a 50 dollar screen with a digitizer layer attached, buddy.

>>6798203
No, the guy you replied to is chinese, and he spends all day in this thread shilling chinese tablets. He doesn't like it when people talk about the Intuos 3 because it's an ultra-durable tablet you can buy for less than chinese knock-offs.

Im not sure if this is the right thread but anyway.
Where the FUCK can I buy something like this (or as similar as possible) in Europe?

https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/AAFFS200114XBcwQ.jpg

>>6798297
>https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/AAFFS200114XBcwQ.jpg
amazon nigga

>>6798385
>amazon nigga
Cool, now try to find an european amazon link where the thing isnt out of stock/unavailable.

>>6798388
Just get a razor Tartarus.

>>6798388
The chinks do small macropads with a couple of knobs that are meant to be alright for about 20 bucks. Software probably won't be pretty, but oh well.

>>6798203
>for over a year
2008 was 15 years ago.

Is this Cintiq 16'(2021) for 400€ a good deal? Might bring it down to 350€ or 300€.
Can I use a cintiq and an Intous simultaneously? The reason I ask is because the Gaomon driver fucked with the Wacom drivers and there wasn't pressure sensitivity on the Intuous

bg:
>started with Wacom bamboo
>got Intous5 M
>got Gaomon GAOMON PD1161 (stylus sensitivity got inconsistent after 3 or 4 years)
>back on my Intous5M
>got a used 6th gen Ipad


Don't really know if I need a cintiq at this point, but I do work faster with a screen display.
Pro's of the intuous is that I'm not hunched over the display all day, which is good for my posture.

>>6798385
Get a Tartarus like >>6798528 said
I bought one for the luls, but then was surprised at how useful it is for key shortcuts.
You can always just use it for gaming if you dont wanna use it for art.

>>6798637
>unlaminated display
>screen protector instead of etched glass
>1080p
>1000:1 contrast ratio
>210 nits peak brightness
You ever just wonder why people hate them selves enough to pay so much and get so little?

>>6798297
>>6798528
>>6798649
2nd hand tourbox or a macro pad with dials is a substantially better buy than ever touching a razer product.

>>6798637
Firstly, discard Chang: >>6798650

Secondly, 16" desktop display tablets aren't really worth it as they have roughly the same height dimension as an iPad Pro 12.9" and Galaxy Tab S8 Ultra. The Cintiq 16 has more length, but the extra length is not really that useful unless you're predominantly drawing landscapes or large scenes.

Of all the tablets 16" and below, I would recommend getting a used iPad Pro 2nd/3rd gen or a discounted Galaxy S8 Ultra if you can afford it. They're simply the best value options as far as display tablets go.

>Can I use a cintiq and an Intous simultaneously?
Yes.

>Pro's of the intuous is that I'm not hunched over the display all day, which is good for my posture.
This greatly GREATLY outweighs working speed.
I would strongly discourage getting any screen tablet unless you also have a good setup for your posture. The screen tablet should be aligned near-vertically and close to the height of your head.

>>6798657
why would anyone listen to you when you don't even draw?

>>6798660
the fact that jannies will ban and warn anons calling schizos out but not the schizos says a lot about the state of this board

>>6798660
>>6798687
The wacumguzzler gets obliterated every time and still thinks that he's saving anons from falling for the "chinkshit meme"
Only to get the reverse result

>>6798637
Nah, 1080p is trash, get a higher resolution if you're going for screen display.

>>6798657
>firstly, disregard the objective overview of the 400€ device you're considering buying

>>6798687
>>6798702
He's been here for SIX YEARS.

Six years of monitoring every thread every day. He is basically our local Terry Devis, except that instead of drawing anything or working on some kind of project he's sucking a corporation's dick and shilling all day for free.

He could have learned to draw with half of that time.

>>6796937
>>6797335

Hey Aaron, I am the Actual OG Chang, the first guy you called Chang 6 years ago.
It was me posting the video of drawing straight lines and pressure curves with an Xp-Pen tablet all those years back.

Why don't you reply to me and instead call other people's Chang?

I just called you out again
>Lying
>Being a fake artist
>Spending 6 years of your life on shilling for free
>Getting shat on by the entire board for that entire time

Why don't you reply to me?
Come on? Just a little
>T.Chang would do

How have you been all that time? Are you doing well?

>>6799062
>Are you doing well?
you know he's not

>>6799099
That's why I asked )

>>6798637
I had the 22 and I didn't like it. As someone else mentioned the brightness is a real deal breaker. At 1080p app interfaces are too big. I just use a wacom Intuos now and a 1440p screen.

>>6798637
I had the 22 and I loved it. Display quality is alright, though you'll want a secondary monitor to check colors against (as you should be doing anyways). 1080p is perfectly fine for the size, never something I noticed while actually drawing on the device unlike >>6799149 who probably touched it with the pen once and then immediately went back to being shitty at league of legends for a month before returning the tablet.

>>6799055
>>6799062
>6 years
my fucking sides

>>6799154
It's fine that you like substandard products. It's not about "colors" the thing has less than 300 nits brightness so it's as dull as fucking dishwater. I couldn't use it for print work and even for sculpting in zbrush it was hard to make out details because the contrast was terrible.

>>6799154
>though you'll want a secondary monitor to check colors against (as you should be doing anyways).
what's the point of a display tablet if you can't trust the colors?

>>6799156
>>6799062
Save this while you can

>>6799173
Good times man, yep that's me right there.

>>6799173

>>6799173
>over 3 years and he still won't show his work
astonishing honestly. Why is he even here?

>>6799173
And something similar happened months ago
>wacumguzzler bitches about chinese tablets having spyware
>posts article links
>everyone reads it
>the article actually points wacom it but none of the chinese companies
ayyyy

>>6799216
It's all the same person.

>>6799216
I remember one time the mods purged his posts and literally 70% of the entire thread disappeared the only posts left were the other people calling him a retard.

Hello, I have a wacom display tablet. My question is should I activate the "force proportion" options?

>>6799221
He still don't get it after 6 fucking years
Pathetic

>>6799227
It depends, if the proportions look off you should try it

Also, ignore the schizo

>>6799219
Ya mean the schizo or the companies?

>Wacumguzzler
This is the same board that kvetches at the cost of Wacom nibs and uses string trimmer line as a replacement because you're all so incredibly cheap. I can't tell whether or not you fags are pretending to be retarded, or have bouts of kikery and refuse to invest in good quality products so instead of spending a few Shekels you pirate media and software all while in the same breath feel entitled to copyrights and compensation of your work after using the very same stolen software that helped to create an illustration. Wacom used to make an excellent drawing tablet called the Intuos pro series, they're discontinued now but if you manage to find a used or refurbished one I can vouch that the quality from Wacom is worth the investment. Hell, I am still using the original usb cable from six years ago and I have been using the same drawing stylus and am so satisfied with the tablet I bought a refurbished one as a backup. Anyone that hates on Wacom is a kike who refuses to spend, simple as.

>>6799263

>>6799273
>t. string trimming kike

>>6799263
That's nice but it's old news.

The chinks are offering a good tablet for 60$ now and a bag of 100 nibs for 10$.

On a higher budget you can buy a Samsung Ultra and nut in your pants because the mobile CSP is optimized so much better for the mobile you'd get better performance than a top end workstation. Plus they make some magical rubbery felt nib that grips the glass but never wears, and the screen is so good it can only be described as "cummy" (unfortunately a little oversaturemated so if you aren't expecting that your work may come out looking a bit dull on other devices).
All for 1000$ and maybe even less on black Friday.

Intuos pro may have been nice but the times change. Anons don't need to cope with a shitty bamboo or save their lunch money for an intuos.

>>6799227
Yes always without any exception. Otherwise you could be drawing a perfect circle with your arm but output a squished ellipse on the screen

>>6799263
All Wacom licker is a no draw, simple as.

>>6799263
you said a lot of words without making a point.
Wacom of old had a monopoly. Chinks caught up while wacom was complacent.
Chinks now offer the same quality at 1/3 the price, and anyone that pretends otherwise is just a blind fanboy stuck in the past, simple as.

>>6799449
>Wacom of old had a monopoly. Chinks caught up while wacom was complacent.

yeah that's why everyone always says that the latest huions / xp pens / whatever are ALMOST JUST ABOUT TOTALLY 99% AS GOOD AS WACOM

lmao cope

literally nobody has ever said "the cintiq pro 27 is almost as good as Huion's Pro Artist Buzzword Copetastic 34"

>>6799263
>>6799465
meds

>>6799465
>reddit spacing
>sucking cintiq 27's cock
I don't really get why you're here either honestly. You'll literally never post your work, and every single post you make is just singing praise to a $4000 tablet to people that just don't care.

>>6799297
Despite having a tablet with a display screen?

>>6799465
>literally nobody has ever said "the cintiq pro 27 is almost as good as Huion's

Wacom intuos non pro (bamboo) is full on piece of dogshit compared to a Huion riding on pure brand recognition.

Wacom cintiq non-pro is a piece of dogshit compared to a Huion.

Cintiq pro is hardly much better than a Huion now, except costs three times as much and know to to be dying a lot.

>>6799509
nta but wasn't the bamboo line discontinued?
of course any modern tablet is better than that
and we have the display tablets of xp and gaomon tho

Huion Kamvas Pro 16 is 100 bucks off on Amazon brand new. Would you consider this an upgrade from the Wacom One?

>>6799512
>nta but wasn't the bamboo line discontinued?

It was Rebranded Intuos (non-pro) and it's still the same crap.

>>6799521
>100 bucks

It may be a very old model from back when they needed a battery in the pen and we're pretty bad.

Research the products you are looking for, there have been many generations of Kamvas Pro and Xp-Pen they started pretty crappy but have gone a long way.

>>6799528
It's battery free.

>>6799539
This actually is a better tablet than a Wacom One.


>Laminated means the screen is glued to the glass with no gap like a smartphone
>Better stand
>Probably better colors
>Supports tilt (most brushes don't use it but it's nice)

Being laminated is a big one, the closer the tip of your pen is to the actual pixels the less is the parallax error

>>6799549
It is? How's the temps?
Also it's somehow cheaper than the Wacom One. I stupidly bought one brand new. Just want to upgrade it drawing on the Wacom One makes me feel claustrophobic when drawing. It's probably just me.

>>6799561

Wacom One has always been an abysmal deal.
>600$
>For a thoroughly designed minimally valuable product
>Terrible everything
>Just enough to let you try drawing so you wanted to buy a Real Cintiq instead

But in the same time the Kamvas Pro 16 is the same size and same resolution. If you want a bigger tablet with more pixels in it look towards the 20" ones, there are some with 4k and 1440p middle ground.

I wouldn't recommend 1080p at 20" the pixels are gonna be too big.

>>6799465
>literally nobody has ever said "the cintiq pro 27 is...
You know wacom makes other tablets, right? Like no shit their flagship that has no competition is best in class. No one else makes a 27" tablet.
But the models that do have chink counterparts (every other tablet they make) are extremely similar quality while costing significantly more.
So the scenario is either:
>I need a 24" 4k tablet
in which case you can get a kamvas pro 24 for $1200 or cintiq pro 24 that costs $2200+ ($500 tip if you want the stand please and thank you)
or
>I have a budget of around $1000
so your options become either a kamvas pro 24 which is a 24" 4k laminated display for $1200, or a cintiq 22 which is a 22" 1080p display that's not laminated and uses a shitty screen protector for $1300.

Dollar per dollar, you will literally always be better off getting a chink tablet. It's not even close. The only times it makes any sense at all to still buy wacom is if you're rich to the point where spending $4000+ means nothing to you, or you're a braindead consoomer. You undoubtedly fall into the latter category.

>>6799576
>I wouldn't recommend 1080p at 20" the pixels are gonna be too big.
The difference in pixelation between 1080p and 1440p at the distance you draw at is negligible. Both look extremely similar, especially if you draw zoomed in a lot so you see individual pixels regardless of your resolution.

>>6799581
Lol this is why I trust "Chang" more. He says certain things that convinces me he draws rather than being a /g/ spec monkey.

>>6799581
>kamvas pro 24
Wavy lines, backlight bleed and 200 nits brightness. Just get a regular tablet these screen tablets are trash.

>>6799727
It's just so tiresome

>>6799597
A lot of zoomers are totally delusional about pixel count after years of using phones with massively inflated figures. My phone has a 1440p screen, which is total overkill for being 5 inches across. There's no greater accuracy you can attain from this shit.

The one argument you can make in favor of higher resolutions is that side menus and shit will be proportionally smaller, but it's easy to just close shit you aren't using, make it floating so you can move it out of your way, or just live with having a slightly smaller work area. I prefer the bigger buttons, just organise your workflow better.

>>6799850
>My phone has a 1440p screen,
Yeah, but your phone is 5" and we were talking about a 20" tablet that you're going to be hunched over and looking at up close.

Get the most basic office/school grade computer monitor and put it right in your face, you'll be staring at the pixels.

>>6799866
you're dumb as hell and should never post again thanks dipshit have a nice day and btw pyw that you need such pixel density for oh wait you don't even draw lmao fucking loooser

>wacumguzzler telling someone to post their work
the irony

>>6799866
The golden law of displays is PPD, which is pixels per degree. A 4k screen at 20" viewed from a foot away manages as PPD of 53, which is poor, everyone under the age of 60 can see individual pixels. A 4k screen at 16" fares a little better, 64 PPD, most people under 50 can see individual pixels. It's only when you go down to 12" that you hit 81 PPD, which is slightly above average. But who wants a 12" tablet?

So if you wanted to stop "staring at pixels", you'd want about 8k for a 20" tablet. Higher if you wear glasses, because you can still see differences up to 120 PPD. Hope this cleared things up for you, retard.

A slightly more visible pixel grid doesn't change the work in any way. Look, you can try it right now, halve your distance to your monitor. Well, assuming you understood PPD and bought one in a suitable PPD range, which I guess might be hard. You're probably using a 27" 4k screen at 2 feet or something.

>tries to point out irony


>without posting their own work


irony

>>6799597
why does the ipad one look like shit

>>6799263
It's the same old aggressive chinese sales tactics. They are known to target 4chan and it couldn't be more obvious here. You see the exact same thing in the comments of youtube videos that criticize chinese tablets.

This is precisely why you avoid these companies (XP Pen, Huion, etc). They are malicious and duplicitous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH1WEYF8rlA

>>6799891
That's a load of buillshit.

I'm sitting in front of a 32" 4k monitor that's same exact density as a 1080p 16" and if I put my face right into that I can see the pixels, but it's not too bad I could deal with that.
at work I have a 20" 1080p screen and while it's usable from my arm's length i wouldn't want to put it right in my face the pixels would be too big.

Way back when I had a 24" 1200p monitor and that sucked hard dick. I could see individual sub pixels if i squinted, not just the black and white dots, the red green and blue stripes inside of them. a 24" 1080p tablet is definitely unusable.

>A 4k screen at 20" viewed from a foot away manages as PPD of 53
> which is poor,
>poor
when I was shopping for a 4k monitor I was checking them in store to make sure i'm not gonna pay 500$ for dead pixels and the pixel density on a 27" 4k is more than high enough you can only see an individual pixel if you put it right in your face and squint.


you're just talking nonsense out of your ass, go outside and go touch the monitors in your local hardware stores.

>can see individual pixels

its not so much about being able to see the pixels. You are working with pixels you should be able to see the pixelf if you squint and look for them.

It's really about seeing the picture behind the pixels, if you lean too close to a 1080p screen you gonna stop seeing the picture and start seeing the RGB colored dots instead, and you don't want that.

> But who wants a 12" tablet?
Actually currently using a 12" S7+, it's tight but the rest of the experience is so good i got used to it. really want a 15" ultra tho just because the mobile software and performance is better than the desktop software.

>>6799940
>if you lean too close to a 1080p screen you gonna stop seeing the picture and start seeing the RGB colored dots instead,
I've got to be honest, I think you just don't understand digital workflow. You know there's a zoom tool, right? You don't need to try and put your head an inch away from the screen and focus on the subpixel layout. Besides, the pen gets in the way.

You're sitting in front of a 32" monitor? Okay, so what? Without a distance to the monitor, I have no idea what your frame of reference is. I'm sat in front of a 43" 4k monitor, 2.5 feet away. Looks great, I can see all the individual pixels. If I get a foot away from it, where it has fairly comparable specs to my 1080p tablet (my 4k monitor is 21.5" 1080p, my tablet is 19.5" 1080p), it still looks fine. You'd probably need to go down to about 6 inches or so, at which point you get convergence issues and shit because you bought a tiny monitor so the distances and experience are no longer equivalent.

The main problem with small tablets is you don't have as much room for wide sweeping lines. I've used a 12" tablet, at 1080p even, didn't really get on with it. The real killer for me is the lack of shortcut buttons, sure, you can buy an extra device, but they're hit and miss on mobile in terms of support. Plus you've got shit like palm rejection. The overall experience is nice for a quick doodle but I can't get into it for proper work, and ultimately it's just easier to use paper for portability.

>>6799967
>he real killer for me is the lack of shortcut buttons, sure, you can buy an extra device, but they're hit and miss on mobile in terms of support
Dude just get a keyboard. A literal full on Bluetooth keyboard. Works wonders for the mobile CSP.
> Plus you've got shit like palm rejection
There is a perfect solution.
Any decent art software (including CSP) allows you to disable drawing with one finger. set it like
>One finger touch does nothing
>two fingers pan and zoom
That's it you will never accidentally draw with your palm again.
>e is nice for a quick doodle but I can't get into it for proper work, and ultimately it's just easier to use paper for portability.
>portability.

I bought the s7+ for portability and ended up using it stationary. I straight up don't draw with my PC anymore simply because CSP lags on the PC but runs flawlessly on mobile it's such a good experience fuck it I'll deal with 12" size, after all it's almost as big as the A4 sheet.

>>6799975
>I bought the s7+ for portability and ended up using it stationary. I straight up don't draw with my PC anymore simply because CSP lags on the PC but runs flawlessly on mobile it's such a good experience fuck it I'll deal with 12" size, after all it's almost as big as the A4 sheet.

>yfw you will never be so poor that a s7 has better performance than your computer does
god bless you and your incompetence anon

>>6799975
>>That's it you will never accidentally draw with your palm again.
I've had 2 finger shit activate on my before with the side of my hand, maybe I just hold my pen differently. Not constant, but enough to be annoying.

>CSP lags on the PC
That's because it's shit. I tried that out for 2 minutes because the 3D poser looked kind of fun, that shit lagged out the ass. Just use photoshop like everyone else.

>>6799980
Keep hurling those insults, Ching Liu.

>>6792703
kek

>>6799913
Are you blind.

>>6792703
10/10 made me jej

>>6799980
>yfw you will never be so poor that a s7 has better performance than your computer does

It's not the hardware. CSP just runs like shit on any PC. They sold perpetual licenses and they can't milk the annual subscriptions anymore so they aren't going to fix the PC release anymore.
I'm running a 2700X with a 6900XT overclocked with fast memory and the screen tearing and lags makes CSP just fucking vomit inducing to use. Photoshop sucks dick for line art, Krita chokes and dies when you push the canvas size above 6000 pixels and switching between different apps using CSP for line and PS for coloring is a HORRENDOUS WASTE OF TIME, it makes you draw slower.

Meanwhile I was commissioned to draw a wallpaper so i'm working at 8k resolution on a mobile tablet and it works flawlessly.
That made me just abandon PC as a platform. All of the development and competence has gone to the mobile where they can milk you for an annual subscription. PC has been abandoned by all the skilled developers now, there is no software and isn't going to be.

>>6799986
>I've had 2 finger shit activate on my before with the side of my hand,

2 finger tap is undo so just tap 3 fingers to redo if that ever happens, no big problem.

The only annoying part is when you accidentally draw with your palm and don't notice that. It could completely ruin your experience but thankfully you can disable drawing with your hand.

>>6799994
>Keep hurling those insults, Ching Liu.
You lost the plot Aaron, I'm Chang the guy he's replying to.

see >>6799975 >>6799940

>>6800013
>PS for coloring is a HORRENDOUS WASTE OF TIME, it makes you draw slower.
I have a Cintiq Pro 27 and a decent computer while using PS exclusively for all my digital art and it all works for me.
Maybe stop being bad at art? Software doesn't really matter that much really. If anything touch controls would be the thing to slow you down but you sound kinda retarded so...

>>6800017
I think his complaint is that PS is bad for line art, maybe he uses vectors or some gimmick brushes or something. I don't really see much difference between CSP and PS, aside from CSP running like shit.

>>6800017
There's a lot of features Photoshop just doesn't have. The japanese are using CSP for a reason.

Check how crisp the thin line is in any other software, photoshop just can't do that.
>draw thin line
>it's gray and blurry instead.

Adobe straight up hate the artists and don't want them as customers.

>>6800027
If you need super thin lines, just use a higher resolution to begin with and zoom out?

>>6800023
>at PS is bad for line art, maybe he uses vectors

I'm using raster brushes with a stabilizer.
The difference is fucking huge, photoshop just draws soft blurry lines while every other software (SAI, CSP, Krita, anything) can draw a crisp line.
Plus a little stab goes a long way.

Blending brushes are a blessing too.

>>6800027
>>6800031
if you want crisp lines use the pencil tool

>>6800030
there's a million little things I don't like about photoshop.

I don't like how the brushes are organized, i don't like using the tiny slider to resize the brush.
>wanna resize the brush
>either reach for [] keys
>or rightclick and fiddle with a tiny slider
>cant swap between your line brush and your painting brush and your airbrush with hotkeys
>no blending brushes at all
>dogshit smudge tool

The only thing PS has to offer as an art software is performance. Yes it's optimised to the poing you can easily make a 40K canvas and draw with a 2k brush on it. But Everything else about it is holding you down.

>>6800033
both suck.
Pencil has no anti aliasing, brush has too much anti aliasing, meanwhile every other drawing software is offering you multiple different AA options.

It's just bad man.

>>6799811
https://youtu.be/HvQxDrzgbOo?t=428

Even this shill pointed those things out.

>>6800073

>criticizing product
>shill

Actual DSM V Mental illness

>>6800031
you have zero understanding of how art software works and are blaming them for your own incompetence in everything you do

please get god and loomis in your life and never post again you fucking retard

>using a stabilizer

Opinion discarded. Why would you even admit to that lmao

>>6789703
Question for people who have used screenless & screen tablets.
Do you feel like either one is better for your output, speed? or is it just a preference?

>>6798637
I have a 16 I got for 350eur a year ago, mind you this kind of tech is rare in my country so the price is higher by default. I'm a total beg and this is fine for me, as I'm used to 1080p since I have an old ass 11y.o pc.
That said, you'll definitely notice that the device is pretty dated by today standards, even if the build quality is good and durable, especially when you put higher resolution display next to it. Its still good to draw on, but it doesn't worth 400 eur, 300 at best. A new one costs like 500-600 without stand which is absurd and not worth the money at all. Don't forget to ask if does it come with a stand, because thats extra 80eur, which is pretty much mandatory if you don't want to get a spine surgery within 3 months.

I think at the end its more of a skill level. If you are a beg and have money, go for it, try to get it for less than 300. If I was an int or higher I wouldn't really bother considering a 16 inch tablet, I would rather go for 20 or more.

>>6800152
I have both a screenless tablet and an ipad.
I very much prefer the screenless, and the ipad is collecting dust.
And if im not using the screenless is because Im drawing in an actual sketchbook.

But yea, 100% a preference thing.

>>6800152
I could do fine on either. It's a little trickier to build up hand-eye coordination on a screenless tablet, but once you get it down it's pretty simple.

Ultimately I'd say given the same size tablet, the one with a screen is always going to be better. It's more comfortable to use, the direct relationship makes more sense. If you gave me the choice between say, a 20" screenless and a 6 inch screen, it's not as cut and dry, I'd probably go for the extra room, but I have done small sketches on Samsung note phones before.

>>6800112
>DSM V
Nobody cares about your made up American jewry. The guy shills screen tablets which are not needed at all and are a manufactured want.

>>6799891
>A slightly more visible pixel grid doesn't change the work in any way.
He doesn't draw do there's no work to be changed anyway.

>>6792740
Holy based

>>6799940
>if you lean too close to a 1080p screen you gonna stop seeing the picture and start seeing the RGB colored dots instead
Okay now I'm 100% convinced this is just a very dedicated elaborate troll.

>>6800114
>loomis
Meme

Resolution literally does not matter aside from very specific use cases. Color accuracy and screen uniformity is far more important.

Does higher refresh rate actually help with drawing?

>>6800023
This is why people need to move to Rebelle.

New bread:

>>6800194
>>6800194
>>6800194

>>6800208
I liked half the shit they mention on their page, but then they have some dumb "infinite detail" meme shit where if you zoom in you can see a shitty faux paper overlay, makes me think the program is made for apple retards.

I'm guessing it runs like shit?

>>6800152
I'm >>6798637 and the speed factor is what's making me consider getting another pen display instead of continuing with my intuous. Linerart particularly is faster.

>>6800322
Get a screenless

>>6800228
It's new software, give it a chance to improve.

>>6800154
A stand is probably the most important aspect, it rules the Cintiq useless if you don't have a proper one. You can make your own, make sure it is solid, that it doesn't give in when you put pressure, you want it as solid as the Intuos is on the table, at a good angle, you don't have to keep changing the angle. Make sure it relieves the weight pressure on the Cintiq port connector, Wacom makes their connectors break with use after some time.

>>6800322
Her lack of ass is what's giving me za stress.

>>6800329
They seem to be going too far into the "muh infinite machine learning ""detail"" for me to to be interested. Might be nice for painters, but not anyone else.

>>6800327
>continuing with my intuous
>Get a screenless
you don't draw.

>>6800678
no one in these generals draws. You'll see like 1 or 2 drawings total in over 300 posts without fail.

Anons I have a Galaxy Tab S7, would an IPad Air be a good upgrade? I don't like how much software is just no in Android stuff. I do understand I'd need to get the pencil separate
Also, how big is the difference spec wise between the Mini and the Air?

>>6803543
If you go for an Ipad either get a Pro or dont get one at all.
Not because it runs bad or anything but you'll keep wishing you had a bigger screen every single moment.

>t. owns an Air

>>6803550
Yeah but I don't want it as my main device, I already have a display tablet and a competent PC anon chan.
Im genuinely considering the mini just for the ease of use

>>6803555
My recommendation is to go to a store and try it yourself so you can have an exact idea of what kinda size you'd be dealing with, IMO the mini is too small

>>6803543
I really don't see any point in an upgrade to a device that's essentially the same size and does essentially the same thing. The upgrades would be minor at best, and in the case of the mini, it's just a downgrade given size is more important than portability, the mini won't fit in your pocket anyway.

If you think blowing almost 1k for a 5% improvement is worth it, go nuts.

is stabilization a crutch for shitters?

>>6803613
All pen tablets have stabilization built in, you need something like opentabletdriver to disable it. Realistically, it just helps with the inherent deficiencies of the technology, like diagonal wobble due to the grid format.