/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6790436
Delete social media
Get off 4chan
Only interact with small community on a discord or something if u need dopamine hit of checking messages

>>6790436
Remove the internet from your life. Draw, eat, sleep, repeat.

That seethe is my fuel. One day I'll surpass those hacks with pure skill. At their own game of course, as I already mog them in terms of skill.

>>6790440
This. I haven't much idea who the "popular" artists are these days, if they are just on social media, they basically don't exist to me. I am aware of maybe 4 or 5 that have educational YouTube channels though.
Of course I know names that get memed here like sakimichan, is she still number 1 Patreon artist or did someone surpass her?

>>6790458
delusional

>>6790465
>Of course I know names that get memed here like sakimichan, is she still number 1 Patreon artist or did someone surpass her?
These days it's wannabe anime coomslop like SpeedoSausage, Suoirsnu and Derpixon

>>6790468
I've reached the point that its difficult to find anything worth liking or retweeting on my X (all artwork from asian jeans), as I keep noticing more flaws from the false gods you worship as I improve. The artists I truly admire can be counted on one hand.

>>6790476
You just made those names up.. right?
Ziggyzoot, spongedemon, parsley911, jumpkicksamurai, rustxxx and penguinbladder.

>>6790436
>How do I stop seething at popular artists and focus on my own artwork instead?
Social media fame is nothing but a flash in the pan. These guys all are having their time to shine right now but as soon as algorithms stop promoting their work for whatever arbitrary reason they fall back into obscurity and are forgotten. Give it like 2-3 years and there will be some other artist taking up the space wamu and whoever else is big right now occupies.
Make a game, comic, animation, whatever. Even if it's flavor of the month if it's actually good and resonates with people that'll take a more permanent place in their memory than some stagnant images

>>6790502
for example; I remember some obscure web browser game i played two years ago for like 10 minutes of some girl sitting on a stool pissing herself with a gun to her head while you bet on cards. I don't remember the name, but I remember everything else about it. Meanwhile I don't remember what twitter artist I was inspired by last week

>>6790502
>>6790514
>game, comic, animation
It's all subject to the same algorithm you retard.

First step is posting your own work instead of others', faggot.

>>6790436
You remind yourself the tales of beatnik

>>6790436
>seething over coom art
lel

>>6790436
Hot

>>6790436
Is this bait or do you genuinely get upset at them? If the latter is true then maybe you're not really having fun while drawing

>>6790436
Find a community of low skill /beg/tards and become the biggest fish of that small pond.

copy it. study it. steal their techniques. absorb their skill.

if you had posted anything other than <popular thing> porn i might have taken you seriously
if that's not what you wanna draw, just stop giving a shit. there's an audience for everything as long as you're not some retard only looking towards the shiniest things

>>6790514
she hongry

>>6790436
steal their shit to the point you become a clone

>>6790436
>How do I stop seething at popular artists and focus on my own artwork instead?
Basically, seek your own path, understand yourself and commit to your own goals.
The reason why you are upset at other's gains is because you havent defined who you are as an artist, nor what you want to do as one. Once you figure yourself out, you will realize that most of these people's gains and goals dont align with yours, and if they do, they wont hindrance you because you have understood that you are you and they are them.

>>6790440
>>6790445
>>6790555
>>6790657
>dont check social platforms too often, if at all
>engage with only your small social groups
>focus on having fun while drawing
>stop caring so much about making it big on social media
These are very helpful too.

>>6790558
This is, in my experience, one of the most soul draining things ever. Maybe it's just me, but being big among a bunch of very small people is very awful, you get the worst of big artists while still being a nobody because you're prone to being hated and it feels like you're just dealing with idiot sheeps that you NEED to shepherd around. Not to mention it says a lot about yourself as an artist if all you can do is appeal to who are smaller than you, it's like bullying kids in a playground as an adult, it's dumb.

>>6790476
Why do you consider speedo slop?

ITT: it doesn't matter for OP since OP will just keep coming onto the internet for answers and validation

>>6790436
Idk how to humble others. But comparing others, judging people is a bitter choice. Ends bad if you don't check yourself.

If you hate others, you likely hate yourself in some way.

You have to completely flip your mind. Internet is fine, social media get rid of it.

Start looking up for answers.

>>6790693
Based

>>6790436
Grow up.

i see so many small artists try so fucking hard and put so much effort into mediocre crap that I wonder how they haven't necked themselves yet. i can just tell by looking at their art that they spend DAYS rendering when they should be grinding that sketchbook. instead of focusing on follower count you should just focus on improvement.

I have yet to see an artist that is good and uploads on a regular basis stay at a low follower count. I WILL see shit artists with a fuckload of followers, but it's very rare I see good artists who actually post every few days stay small for long. I remember finding a tiny artist with like 400 followers out of the blue, and I was really shocked because they were genuinely good, but yea it didn't take very long for them to get to like 20k followers, a few months.

>>6790817
Uploading regularly at a low follower count achieves absolutely nothing. What the hell did they do?

>>6790825
fanart and idk if they did this but personally i got my first 1k followers by drawing fanart of big artist's OCs and getting their retweet lol after 10k followers it's smooth sailing you just upload whatever you want and you'll grow.

I don't draw nsfw but I do pretty well on social media, whenever I'm asked what tip to start getting followers I suggest to draw fanart of stuff you like but everyone thinks they're too good to enjoy media and draw for it
(my road was ace attorney>skullgirls>overwatch>lisa>now mostly OC content)
a lot of people will leave when you leave a fandom but a lot will stay for your art, too

>>6790828
Yeah that's what I thought. Did they use hashtags? I swear the recent psyop against hashtags is designed to keep new accounts down.

>>6790832
hashtags are pointless but i would put the name of the character in your tweet. i remember getting likes out of the blue if i'd have "rosalina" as the only text in the tweet. also for months when i was under 1k followers i'd post to reddit, art discords etc to scrape some followers off that.

>>6790436
You answered your own question

>>6790436
drawing isnt a competition unless you make it one, and when everything is a competition you will lose

By accepting being a man which means growing in strength and ability and you must own up to the fact that anything you want in life is up to you to achieve so stop being a whiny bitch who puts their negative feelings on outward sources. But if you are a woman envy, vindictiveness and resentment is normal so just keep being a woman since you have other ways to draw attention.

>>6790774
Anime-styled porn for normalfags but without any of the ickyness of regular hentai

>>6791721
>it's like anime coom, but it dares to be stylized into a different art style!!
And that is bad because...?

>>6790721
>This is, in my experience, one of the most soul draining things ever.
Hard agree although I bailed early on. You might get one or two dopamine hits but even then you're oblivious to how permabeg they are. Eventually, if the community is too much below your level it hurts you too because that means their tastes and expectations are so low they just circlejerk each other and it might hurt your ego to see dogshit tier art get almost as much or more appreciation than you because of the person who posted it.

>>6790436
Few ways:
>get an art teacher or mentor if you can afford it to put on a fast track given you have enough fundies to do the homework
>find some art friends who draw with you (online works too but scheduling will suck)
>join classes/servers/activities online as an excuse to do some work so it's not the sake of grinding for the grind.
The friendships and human connections ease the path and personally I think even helps you improve more easily as you pick things up from them.

>>6790436
The only thing you can do is drop your jealous thoughts when they hit your head. I've seen people completely destroy themselves because they couldn't let go. It's the seed of all trouble for you.

>>6790552
Everything else is irrelevant

>>6790436
Curate your internet experience or change your pov about other's success you wanker.

extract the hatred from jealousy and use it as energy

>>6790774
>Panders to toonamifags and japanese video games that's a phenomenon to westerners (FF7, Persona 5, Street Fighter, ResiEvil etc)
>ex-Shadbase goon

>>6790476
>Suoirsn
Who?
I would replace them with ThiccWithAQ

>>6792297
>Speedo is bad because he draws what I dont like and used to associate with an artist I didnt like!
Very compelling, anon.

>>6792308
I don't respect any exile from the shitman gang unless it's Cory (tranny shit aside) or ManiacPaint, avatarfag.

>Speedo is le good because he drew le porn of my favorite capslop and jrpg (that's not anime btw, stfu!)

"Adult" Twitter artist not being fake af challenge

>>6790436
Get back them, make your clique, and stamp out some one trick losers.
I did it, sitting on 300k follows on X and a funny literal who scat alt on pixiv, so can you.

>>6792394
How did you get your first break?

>>6790514
>I remember some obscure web browser game i played two years ago for like 10 minutes of some girl sitting on a stool pissing herself with a gun to her head while you bet on cards.
Are you talking about Kiwami Highlow?

>>6790436
>he doesn't seethe while he studies
get on my level

>>6791721
>>6792297

Idk I feel like this is a case of it not being to your personal taste. Which is valid but you should be able to acknowledge the separation of the two when critiquing work.

There's nothing that stands out with speedos work as being incorrect or unappealing. It's got personality, an immediately recognizable style and appealing colors. Idk what more you can ask of a freelance internet artist besides drawing things you personally want them to draw.

>>6792334
>Speedo is le bad because he draw le porn of things I don't like and need to be contrarian about

Not saying you need to adore the guy (Personally I have no strong opinions on his stuff either way) but this comes off as bitter.

>>6790436
turn that seeth energy into productivity.

>>6790436
What is it about Wamu that causes so much seethe? Is it because he draws /ss/?

>>6790488
welcome to the world of low /int/

>>6796251
Pyw

>>6796084
I don't know. As far as popular artists go he has solid forms, draws well, and can even animate. Maybe people are mad that someone with that skill is just doing fanart and not their own things.

>>6796084
Western style is automatically bad, simple as.

>>6790436
My main motivation is that one day people will seethe over me and make threads complaining about me

>>6792320
How can anybody hate Cory. That man's a hero. A sick, stunted hero. A Forrest Gump for the modern age.

>>6796084
He's one of those popular twitter artist types who is afraid of their tranny audience finding out they draw problematic stuff

What I want to know how they are able to come up with great composition pieces every single time. Are they drawing a lot of shit and only post 1%, or is anything they draw automatically good?

>>6790817
I think this is a big part of it. It takes 10x as much effort to make a shitty drawing than a good one. A good drawing, everything falls into place. The idea was good from the start. Every line carries equal importance. But a shitty drawing is over rendered, has pointless elements all over, everything is in the wrong spot even after hours of Ctrl Z. I find that its a inverse function in complexity to quality. Though its possible to have something be super detailed and also amazing, that's basically top tier artists.

>>6796084
>What is it about Wamu that causes so much seethe?
No, it's just that some people at this board like to hate on popular artists for one reason or another, so you're always seeing people talking shit about them for reasons that are non-sensical at best.
Not that I care about any of the popular artists, but I find annoying how some anons get obnoxiously crabby over them just for making the numbers on social media.
>also
CUTE BLONDIE. Saved.
>Verification not required.

>muh good art takes much less time than bad art yada yada
Isn't that because "bad art" is simply done slower, by less experienced artist? Maybe even quite naive one who believes he can make it on SFW sort of stuff?
Isn't the "good art" often just coomslop that attracts viewers like flies to the shit and people kinda stop noticing it's often just a girl in the void OR it's SFW work done by coom artist, so people can officially support said artist without looking like a degenerate?

I don't look at big artists anymore. It feels like being cucked when I see a great drawing I wish I drew.

>>6796084
Realize people, especially Anons here, shit on the most seasoned artists with several lifetimes worth of experience for the most asinine reasons. Most of it really comes off fox and the grapes and rarely does it have actual merit. Pretty much stop holding the opinions of no-draws and armchair artists so high.

>>6797270
>Pretty much stop holding the opinions of no-draws and armchair artists so high.
But i unironically get mad when nobodies say my favorite coom artist sucks

>>6790436
Don't follow them and network with smaller artists or artists within your range. Envy is a justified feeling because art is hard and most people are working hard at it but you will see people rewarded for far less work and reap the rewards. The most followed artists are NOT the best the medium has to offer
>>6797186
There's shitting on someone for no reason at all, and shitting on someone for just being just a dick. These dudes have egos that are literal glass houses, literal coombrains, lack of self awareness or major esl.
>Erm you're dumb + ratio, get em guys!
Real mature dog piling on a dude with like 2 followers.
>I'm not reaching my audience
>I hate twitter! I feel so alienated there's no place for me :(
First world problems. There are a plethora of other art sites, you're just lazy
>I didn't get 10k likes!
So what you didn't get 10k likes, most artists wish they had atleast a fraction of that. Yeah most of /ic/ (and 4chan for that matter) like to target content rather than the people behind the artwork, but i wouldn't necessarily say in good concious all artists are good people.

>>6797620
Do you have any actual examples of what you described on the artists that were mentioned itt or are you just parroting the same "durr all big artists bad because ego and shit" arguments and hoping it works on these people as well?

I dont deny some big artists are genuine assholes, but not only some arent and small artists can be as well, to crusade them in social circles the same way leftoids crusade rich people because dumb "rich people bad" arguments is being too stupid about it. You're still looking for excuses to viscerally hate on people that have done nothing to you or anyone of worth for that matter

>>6797633
I'm not condoning smaller artists for being dicks nor am i trying to crusade anything either orbiter. This place has definitely spawned some entitled schizos and both parties should be held accountable, but bigger artists are far less justified.
>Do you have any actual examples
Artists like CSR are good because they just upload and dip. But people like Krekk0v who don't stfu and Derpixon who goes out of their way to make pic related are immature to say the least. If you want more examples literally just browse Twitter, it is a landfill

>>6797672
Okay, let me get this out of the way first
>This place has definitely spawned some entitled schizos and both parties should be held accountable
This place and all social medias, I agree to that.
>but bigger artists are far less justified.
This is the part I disagree with, what makes big artists more or less than anyone else? They're people like you and I at the end of the day, they can make mistakes and are as idiots as you and I can be. Putting them on a place above anyone else, whether it's to praise them or berate at them, is essentially part of the problem.
>nor am i trying to crusade anything
I'll believe you, but being so openly spiteful about big artists is very unhealthy, if you're going to hate someone, you better have a very good reason to do so, and being so hateful about artists over small things like "their ego!!" or "they talk mean to others!!" when they havent done anything to you is not right at all.
>inb4
Of course I am wary of most big artists, I've encountered several assholes myself, and I have openly hated some of them, but that's only because I have very personal reasons to do so, if some idiot is being an idiot on the internet, dislike and no sympathy is as far as I go, Im not going to waste energy on people that havent done anything to me.

>>6796084
I think his cute style with lewd subtexts comes off like a groomer.

I really feel like those "the shading makes me wanna cuddle it" kind of art styles actively invokes some kinda of "strager danger" feeling when some people see it. It's what I feel whenever I see him post anything, like, he has talent but how he uses it actively feels like a e celeb onlyfans attention hoe. Espeically because he actively lerks in Crash and Rayman threads and as far as it feels like does nothing but beg for draw requests just to seek in the attention he gets from coomers.

I think if he really was more humble and just drew shit he he wasn't provoking anons to make him do, and post works that he actually did on his own accord, maybe it wouldn't come off like that, be he definitely has that same "attention hoe" energy I get from many internet artists that would post stuff to 4chan outside of drawthreads.

>>6797944
I'm glad we see eye to eye on some things. The reason I say bigger artists are less justified and should be more accountable is because of the influence that they have. There's a big difference between some normal edgy teenager telling you to kill yourself and Dwayne the Rock Johnson gathering his mob to chase after you. This is also in regard as to WHY they're assholes despite the reach they have, such as the constant complaints of first world problems.
>so hateful about artists over small things like "their ego!!" or "they talk mean to others!!"
If you wanna trudge through passive aggressive bitch behavior go for it, misery loves company. It's not spite lol i don't go out of my way to fight these people, it's just behavior I yearn avoid. There are far better things to play devil's advocate for.

>>6797967
>The reason I say bigger artists are less justified and should be more accountable is because of the influence that they have.
Fair enough, objectively speaking it is far more destructive act coming from someone with enough influence to cause damage, people using their audience as a personal army are human scum.
>This is also in regard as to WHY they're assholes despite the reach they have
Well, I firmly believe fame corrupts people in one way or another, not just in the sense of making their egos skyrocket and stuff (those are a different kind of hell), but it can also become overwhelming to always be put on thin ice even if you're not doing anything noteworthy bad. I say this because there is a lot of people that like to hate for the sake of it or for "Fox and the Grapes" kind of nonsenses like one anon said, and having to be put to test by this people constantly can take a toll on your system, so it makes sense some people become defensive and wary, or worse, offensive and arrogant.
That said, if some of these big artists just so happen to be opinionated, then they're just silly among other things lol
>If you wanna trudge through passive aggressive bitch behavior go for it, misery loves company.
If you want to call it that, sure. I may just be getting too old for the mainstream internet autism and I dont see a reason to waste energy on people that are just stupid and have nothing to do with me. I can dislike them, show no sympathy, be wary of them and even let people know as simple remarks, but that's as far as I can go, no reason to be so spiteful... unless they're trying to pull a stunt on me or my friends, then I'd rain hell upon them myself if I have to.

>>6790440
>Delete social media
>Get off 4chan
Why are these separate?

>>6797959
Anonymous imageboard users have an uncanny knack for picking up energy void of additional context. And you've just felt tranny energy from him.

I was looking at Stinger o wanjiro's twitter this morning and the thought that I'll never reach his level makes me want to kill myself

>>6797620
Based

>>6798093
I don't think it's correct, but a lot of people on this website mentally separate the two in their heads. Maybe because it's anonymous?

>>6790436
never understood this envious seething.
are you a narcissistic sociopath by any chance?

>>6798587
Envy is a normal human emotion actually

>follow no other artists
>don't look at contemporary artists
>only look at art by masters/ manga comics from the 80's
>draw
>post

I did this while in Uni and I was very ok. I don't care about what artists are popular because 90% all have some gimmick, ie:being a women, being asian, tracers, AI pajeets, use 3D, or simply make meaningless shit that looks somewhat good.

>>6798592
For women maybe, guys should see a well to do guy and want to be like him and work harder, not envy him.

>posts basic ass cat sketch that probably took 10-15 minutes on Xitter
>27 thousand likes
>500 thousand views

>>6790436
My most shameful would

>>6800497
Where is your basic ass cat sketch that took 10 15 minutes?

>>6800516
Could you get that much attention from yours?

>>6800521
I don't have anywhere near as much appeal and neither do you. Stop crabbing random artists, loser.

>>6800528
Did I hurt your feefees or something? You think an effortless sketch deserves that much attention? You're a fucking idiot.

>>6800528
>pointing out lack of effort -> giant reward
>somehow crabbing
You need a dictionary

>>6800535
learn to draw then maybe you wont be so bitter about someones cat mogging you in likes lol

>>6800547
Okay boomer

>>6800535
>You think an effortless sketch deserves that much attention?
Yeah. What you perceive as "no effort" to me looks a lot like a shitton of effort over years to be able to shit out a sketch that expressive in 15 minutes
You'd know what I'm talking about if you weren't a crab and actually drew

>>6800550
>looks to me like
Doesn't matter what it looks to you like because you're a moron

>>6800549
I guarantee I draw better than you and I'm a zoomer so

>>6800555
hahahaha snip snip seething
go draw once i promise you it'll be cool

>>6800556
ok boomer

>>6800558
I can indeed see I hurt your feefees. my bad :3

>>6800564

nta

>Verification not required.

>>6800497
>dumbass beg can't appreciate a skillful and elegant drawing
keep seething

>>6801304
Holy based

>>6797944
>being so openly spiteful about big artists is very unhealthy
Someone expressing dislike about anything or anything doesn't means he's "obsessed", like the usual fag buzzword retards spam incessantly.

When Anon says
>fuck dem social media niggas
Most automatically know what he means by that because they are generally pieces of shit
>inb4 generalization bad
No, generalizations are still valid.
>they're people like you and i
Sure, but tell that to them.
Most fags get high on their followers counts and start believing they can say and do anything or police everyone or be correct in everything based on their internet fame, but all they do is spark drama, parrot the same retarded normie takes or insults as everyone and virtue signal to farm engagement while being nothing but self-centered petty cunts who think every negative thing that might remotely apply to them is a direct affront to them.
Like, who the fuck do they think they are?
Just post your work, collect the likes and stfu.
Their followers are just enabling their shitty behavior anyway by giving them likes when they do shit like that, to keep milking the lolcow.

One just can't defend them in good faith.
>inb4 there are good ones
Ok, and? You don't see a pack of wolves running down the street and try to figure out which ones won't bite your face off; you avoid them.

>>6801304
You're a retard if you think a sketch that took 15 minutes deserves more attention than completed art on the same or higher skill level. Sorry.

>>6801611
This whole popular cat sketch is the weirdest thing to witness.

Do we not all train so we can execute our art within a timely fashion? We grind, study and improve so we can move closer to this kind of goal no?

More attention? How long it took? Skill level? Holy fuck you are so lost in the sauce you don't know what normless want to see you don't know what artists want to see, do you even know what you want to see anymore?

Another sad sorry victim of internet and /ic/ Art culture I hope you can break free someday anon.

>>6802359
That sketch doesn't deserve anywhere near 20k likes. You know nothing about algorithms

>>6802364
Why does it not deserve 20k likes? It seems to quite reasonably have all the required things to get this much attention.

>You know nothing about algorithms
What are you trying to imply with this? Is the algorithm broken and nobody understands? Would knowing how the algorithm works reveal some greater hidden truth only you are privy to? Is the algorithm working as intended and you are upset with the results?

>>6802359
>do you even know what you want to see anymore?

no... I just draw because I have nothing else.

>>6790817
depends on what you mean by uploading regularly but I can think of at least 3-4 out of my head that have sub-10k followers and upload at least once a week, and have a really mature and interesting style that I've been studying quite a bit

they got a few blowouts with 30k+ likes posts but they don't seem to just grow a following for some reason

>>6800546
>lack of effort

>>6800497
the style, gesture and simplification is mature and appealing. Artists worth their salt will see this and repost it to use as reference.

Then random followers of such big artists will see this and say "aw, cute kitty" and repost it because, you know, cute kitty, making volume.

Thus the algo will say "okay this is gud shit" and start recommending it to randos that will add to the volume

>>6796084
he used to post here when he was still nickleflick, then he blew up in like a week when this was extremely uncommon, and people seethed hard, now he's a big artists but people still can't let it go

>>6803900
He draws shota, that's enough for the Twitter sharks to slowly eat Wamu alive

>>6798093
lots of people on 4chan dont use social media but still lurk here for social dopamine

No reason to seethe over popular artists unless their art is bad and they don't deserve that much attention. But I get that social skills and consistency/speed are a legitimate way to build an audience, I just don't like those artists.

>>6802359
Time spent doesn't matter pajeet. The best works are of you sculpting and laying down your craftsmanship, no matter how quick or slow it takes. If you "feel" it take as long as you need.

>>6796084
>>6805108
Where is Wamuu now?

>>6809531
drawing shit for his twitter buttbuddies and having over 300,000 followers