/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6785648
>Artists
Those were not artists those were stonemasons.

>>6785650
sub 85 iq shouldnt be allowed to post.

>>6785648
is it really that hard? just chip away any part of the marble that isn't the thing you want inside it.

Professional artists today, on average, are much better than the old masters.

>>6785648
>Once
>https://globalstoneworkshop.com/italy/
Ah...

>>6785674
>hits too hard
>it breaks appart

>>6785694
he has power tools

i hate the kind of retard that genuinely believes actual artists aren't out there making art anymore.
when someone has a take like this it just tells me they are an uncultured idiot who is somehow not aware that art outside the commercial mainstream exists.
like, these people genuinely think the tripe on their instagram feeds or in Disney films is the end all be all of art in the modern day.

>>6785681
You are retarded
I assume you mean digital artist. They just have better tools, single sculptures and paintings would take years and weeks respectively

>>6785696
I'll only hit gently, it will take a while.

>>6785712
Curiously, in this age where information is at your fingertips, people are incredibly ignorant.

>>6785712
it's just culture war bait for brainlets... you really have to be a sub 60IQ to unironically engage with these retards...

>>6785746
it isn’t, it’s the general population genuinely and honestly engaging in discussion of what they perceive to be reality, and going hurr durr tfw too intelligent to point out this is retarded is exactly what enables it

>>6785699
And?

>>6785674
>>6785696
JUST CHISEL

>>6785735
>chicken chiseling
NGMI

>>6785648
These are volcanic remains restored.

>>6785648
People do more impressive stuff than this on any high budget movie or game

>>6785712
Provide an example

>>6786021
This. Even if technically impressive, they are just boring. Le naked human, le clothing.

>>6785712
Here is your high art bro

people with a statue or an anime profile pic are subhuman -100 IQ goblins.

Does this account just make the same posts over and over again?

>>6785712
>>6786173
>>6785746
This.

>>6785681

Lol. Lmao even

The quality of all boards would skyrocket overnight if making a Twitter screencap thread earned you an instant permaban.

>>6785681
Ywbnaa, trash.
>Professional artists today, on average, are much better than the old masters.
Wow...

>>6785648
uh huh

>>6785862
>chicken chiseling
kek

>>6786228
You wasted your time to find a fucking statue showing a dick and be retard about it...

>>6786194
do you really think this is some kind of dunk?
so Chopin suddenly stopped being European because Chinese started playing it? does the retard responding even know what word 'heritage' means?
I swear these fucking globalist bugmen, this isn't a fucking terracotta warrior** you fucking mongs

as to sex, even the most hardened chauvinist better acknowledge that women always kicked some serious ass in creative fields, with the main difference being they don't need it to get laid
here's your fucking (you), go fuck yourself

>>6786242
the absolute seethe

>>6786230
The fuck you babbling about you baboon. You dont even know the context of this statue. Read a book, idiot.

>>6785819
Engaging with them is usually a waste. Ignorance is an endless desert. If you're going to attempt to cultivate a tiny patch, ensure it's somewhere you want to be often and has some potential.

>>6786254
I know that you are stupid and that`s all i need to know about you.

>>6786194
>white guy paints a chinese-style watercolor painting
>the entire history and culture of chinese painting is now white
based?????

>>6786270
Actually, the culture is arab, because the west took the math from the Islamic revolution, so technically, everyone is Arab.

Culture war bullshit. This twitternigger doesn't interact with any art. Plenty of art is made nowadays that isn't part of the "modern art" circlejerk

Modern artists mog old "masters"

>>6786293
why does it look like a lifeless doll?

>>6786293
>Modern artists mog old "masters"
Can you post an example?

>>6786293
This is hilariously bad. Dude needs to zoom out for once in his life.

>>6786293
Shit taste in female body.

>>6786293
prompt?

>>6785712
>>6785746
>>6785681
True. There's basically a whole community of le west has fallen culture warriors and pretentious "only trad art is good!" grifters preying on chuds and ppl that have only seen marvel movies

>>6785648
It's happening again and again.

>>6786302
>>6786303
>>6786315
>>6786351
>>6786371
Westoids getting nervous

>>6786293
>>6786409
Even Lineage 2 concept art was better than this.

>>6786228
>>6786230
someone’s mad

>>6785712
It's the same retard who goes "THE WEST IS FINISHED" when he sees a black guy.

>>6786287
>the first humans came from Africa
>all human culture is black culture

>>6786461
>believing in the Out of Africa theory
Middle east as an origin point or multiple origina always seemed more likely.

>>6785681
I agree. Posters itt forget that there are still ateliers churning out hundreds of traditionally trained sculptors

>>6786106
lou li rong

>>6786242

quite literally nobody in that post is saying that that style of sculpture isn't a part of the western artistic tradition, people are dunking on him for the bit where he starts sperging about how absolutely no woman could ever commit to that level of artistic detail.

and despite your charitable assumptions about chauvinists, they really genuinely do think women are physically and cognitively incapable or performing challenging tasks like "create good art". to them women are barely a step above window-licking retard. to them women are just lazy useless idiots with tits attatched.

>>6786409
are the eyes placed too high or am I being retarded

>>6786106
sure, i'm happy to spoon feed you. here's a whole article full of paintings better than anything we will ever see on this board.

https://thombierd.medium.com/2020s-best-oil-painters-named-by-25-galleries-a199b672d180

>>6785681
Nope. If you really believe this, you either don't know much of old art or you have vulgar, undeveloped taste. Could be both.

>>6786021
You do realize it takes MUCH, MUCH greater skill to chisel a block of marble into a lifelike human figure than to make/manipulate a 3D model on a computer using advanced software? You probably look at a great painting and say, "Who cares? Midjourney could do this in 10 seconds." Retard.

>>6786107
>I need constant flashing lights, movement, dancing TikTok girls. I have ADHD. Scroll, scroll. Entertain me!

>>6786293
Perfect example of the typical uncultured /ic/ poster.

>paintover of a 3D model and looks it
>empty, stupid gaze, meaningless gesture >display of technical skill without artistic sensibility
>le anime girl is highest art, i'm coooooming

>>6786618
You are so right buddy, sad shit.

>>6786409
That's decent hobbyist work. Does he ever paint a full figure in motion, or just idle busts? How about dozens of figures in complex action? Picrel was done without 3D models, by the way. And you can't photograph a large group of people flying through the air to serve as reference.

>>6786608
That just means you don't actually give a shit about art at all, you're just effortfagging.

>>6785712
>>6786379
>>6786457
You can't deny he has a reason to be bothered, though.
Even if we have amazing artists, most of them are obscured by the novelty bullshit.

The masters of old were seen as great during their lifetimes, when culture was smaller and you had to carefully pick what to talk about because your hand-written letters would take a month to travel by horse.

You'd expect in the modern age people would be all over these geniuses who can give life to a slab of rock, but all we get are dildos with a can opener and a bunch of menstrual blood on the floor.

Although I do share the cringing sensation of seeing this kind of post that pretends good artists don't exist, the comeback that "WELL YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY GOOD ARTISTS OUT THERE, SO STOP COMPLAINING!!" discourse is equally poor and at least the former is trying to promote appreciation for good art.

I grew up listening to all kinds of dad rock, while my colleagues only listened to our country's pop music.
When they found out stuff like Pink Floyd or what-have-you existed, they went into MUSIC PATRICIAN mode, talking about how Pink Floy was the epitome of music and yadda yadda yadda. It felt as naively pretentious as this guy's tweet, they moved one or two steps up on the ladder of not being a baboon, but still had a very superficial knowledge about music, Dunning Krueger if you will.

I'd still take the Dunning Kruegers over the slop consumers. Make an effort to keep pushing them up, they've already broken the superficial tension.

>>6786635
Inb4 those idiots will reply with bullshit buddy.

>>6786496
I don’t think falsely assuming a man made a sculpture makes one a chauvinist. He did not say no woman ever could. He says none come to mind. Up until quite recently female sculptors were practically unheard of. You’re making assumptions which demonstrate you are no less a bigot than “they” are, which is further solidified by your painfully retarded analysis about cartoon villain-tier bad guys at the end of your post.

>>6786608
Whats wrong with mediums being easier to use as time goes on?
Some huge detailed final boss from a game that animates realistically would make sculptors of the past cream their pants because it was impossible for them to make in their medium
Isnt that the whole "No rules just tools" quote that people love so much here?
As long as the end result is good looking it doesn't matter if you struggled for months or if you were able to generate something and then paint over it to make it look good

>>6786635
The old masters were only able to do what they did because of the patronage of the ultra-wealthy who used their services. I don't think your typical peasant or lower class person particularly cared about the old masters, there was art created for them too.

There's always been fancy high art and crass low art that appeals to the common person, and all manner of art in between those two extremes. Not everything is so dramatic.

>>6786599
>https://thombierd.medium.com/2020s-best-oil-painters-named-by-25-galleries-a199b672d180
Sorry Anon but these fuckin suck, especially the one in the picrel. Boring pieces that art graduates shit out after finishing school. Art galleries sell these correctly done, but uninspiring, nauseously uninteresting stuff. I've seen tons of shit like that.

>>6786647
Except the crass art was just "amateur", now it's intentionally poor and it's peddled not by the masses, but by the elites.

Quite crazy, but it's all money laundering anyway.

>>6786635
You're just tastechecking people and thinking you're better than them, it's fine if people like Marvel or Berserk or Dark Souls or Demon Slayer or whatever, there's a lot of really really damn good art and effort put into it and in other things out there, and they just like it.

Also, a lot of people know Fine Art and sculptures exist and just don't really care/not interested to search it (hell judging from this thread most of /ic/ including OP probably didn't even search it out even once if they're saying unbelievably stupid shit like there's no modern sculptors).

It doesn't make you patrician to be "tfw 2 intelegent too like popular/normie things" or inferior to just like normal things.

>>6786634
>>6786646
There's nothing wrong with newer mediums being easier to use. But if we are talking about great human achievement, it matters that carving marble is harder than clicking a mouse. Nobody is going to praise you for buying an airline ticket and riding coach or business class to an airport on another continent, but people do admire the explorers of past ages who set sail for uncharted places, knowing they'd be at sea for months at a time and facing all sorts of dangers: disease, hunger, storms, etc. What Michelangelo accomplished is amazing; digital art, less so. And it is worth noting that Mikey's works have real aesthetic qualities beyond just "le realism," and have served as examples for artists since they were created up to the present day. In other words, it's not only the difficulty but the innovation that makes them great.

>>6786409
No, some of the edge work really could be improved. The color handling is excellent. Weird texture on her arm read like hair. Still senseless armor (well, "for the coom")

>>6786634
old masters have better understanding and handle of the medium than this example, even if the impression is not as naturalistic. it's not just effort. it's also skill, strength, dexterity, intelligence, wisdom, vitality, charisma, experience, craft, knowledge, spirit, materials.
>>6786646
so what? a lightbulb will cream their pants.
chisels and rasps are tools in a different sense than a program. one requires hands-on involvement and prescient planning onto something tangible that has actual scale. i'm not saying bigger sculpture is better either. there are many gigantic public works with bad designs from the 19th century.

>>6785699
that's fine, genius. if you wanted to critique it'd have to be something like not using stone.

>>6785648
>what is Zbrush
people can sculpt. they don't necessarily have access to stone and benefactors to fund fine art, though.

>>6786599
i hate these themes. either a mundane subject or a simple theme with a posed uninterested figure in costume and various props.
>international contest
>mostly chinese names
it's over.

>>6786751
dont forget max HP, max MP, and crit chance

>>6786763
yeah but that's CHEEEETING dey got like polygroups and dey can hyde partz of dey model n shiet nigga got dayumn n dey got dat ctrl+z

>>6786599
>completely sterile bullshit
wow. I see much better and more interesting stuff on artstation
...because you can make better paintings with much finer detail with digital tools.

>>6786599
quite honestly those are all photo copies/collages and the equivalent of elvis drawings but with oil paint with little creativity involved and compositions which are not at all impressive. they have no message nor story telling either. and I'm not saying this to shit on these chinese authors specifically, there are quintillions of classical european paintings just like that.

they old masters are admired not because they could paint realistically, but also because of their story telling, composition and creativity skills. a drawing or painting with cartoony proportions and unrealistic rendering with said elements can be more appealing than the examples you showed. people who paint or draw with realism exist by the millions.

>>6786695
That's neat and all, but you're appealing to something most people don't really care about or appeal to.

It's like, a pro fishing rod fisherman shows a lot of patience, timing, ability to read the water, and other skills, and he's probably going to be really proud of himself and show his skills, or win a "best fishing rod fisherman" contest, but if you're putting a fish as a decoration, or you're putting a fish on a plate and want to serve it as a tasty dish, people will judge it according to the look and taste of it.

It's very very often the same in art, the effort you put into something can be cool or a fun fact, but most likely the quality of the artwork and the taste of the person seeing it is what decides its merit.

>pic related, a drawing drawn by the same old master who painted Saturn Devouring his Son, took months to make, now forgotten to history and hung up in almost no art galleries because it looks pretty bad

>>6786692
See, you're the type of nigger who gets offended when any type of standard is put in place.

Marvel has a lot of good art, and even dare I say good stories every now and then. That doesn't mean we should welcome with open arms people who enjoy The Kardashians or the ones praising the Thundercats remake.

There is a line macroscopically speaking, but it's not black and white. Regardless, people who live in gray-black instead of gray-white keep culture down and you are just patricianchecking others because their gray is not pure white, instead of understanding the very ideas you seem to push and strive to bring even the popular art up to some standard of effort that everyone would appreciate and grow from.

>>6786804
>you're appealing to something most people don't really care about or appeal to.

Anon, you do realize tourists are constantly lining up to see Michelangelo's sculptures, drawings and paintings, don't you? And they are very, very impressed. Sometimes fame is actually merited.

>>6785648
people act like this is a lost art, but its not.
Rome Statue profile pics should get off their asses and actually be the artists who do this stuff. Go to an atelier you lazy fags

>you're appealing to something most people don't really care about or appeal to.

it's hidden from them, they never see it unless they go to Europe. people are blasted with African-jewish culture all day, every day, and that is what becomes normal and what is socialized around. further, we live in suburbs and the woods to escape the African ghetto our cities have become, we don't even have the chance to be around culture.

>>6786807
Bro have you read the post that I replied to:

>>6786635

This guy isn't talking about the Powerpuff girls remake or Problem Solverz or Nostalgia Critic's The Wall or some other really 1 out of 5 stars quality rubbish, his example of a property that's superficial, not meaningful enough, and dunning kruger is literally PINK FLOYD, one of the most influential and meaningful bands of all time.

I also guarantee that if you posted something about marvel movies or some fotm anime they would call it goyslop and ask where's the REAL art.

These guys I'm replying to and that you're defending aren't "living in gray", they believe they're in pure white and everyone else is in the gray if not in the black.

>>6786849
Because they look good. Like, really REALLY damn good, for like hundreds of years they were some of the best looking artworks ever and still are. What I mean is, it's not about the effort put in, it's about the quality, sometimes the effort you put in can lead to better quality, but it's never the deciding factor, as seen in that bad picture by fransisco goya

>>6786897
No, illiterate niggerbastard, I am both of the people you've quoted, so I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about.

I am not saying Pink Floyd is bad. I'm saying it's "babby's first band", people go from the complete darkness of ignorance to finding ONE band that does a good job and then they start to worship it as the ultimate masterpiece of all time.

Pink Floyd is good, I grew up listening to it, but it's just a speckle in a sea of quality music, it just happens to be a very mainstream one - that the musically newborn babies treat like finding the Holy Grail, a hidden gem or something.
Yes, Queen, Bob Dylan, Beatles, you name it, all mainstream stuff that shouldn't be seen as some out-of-this-world content, but a quality standard to be achieved. Pop, chewed for the masses, but still polished and with elements that make it worth the experience.
It should however not stop here. Ideally, people would be listening to all sorts of music, from orchestral to chiptune to Mongolian throat singing and finding things they enjoy, but most of the Pink Floyd babies (mind you, this is an archetype of a person, it has nothing to do with Pink Floyd or with you) stop digging once they find their first nugget of gold in a sea of shit.

And these people are cringe, because they laugh at the people who enjoy swimming in shit while they only have experienced a taste of what's possible underneath all of that.

>>6786911
You can pick any random shit from artstation front page that's better than this, it's only impressive because it's old

>>6786941
Michaelangelo's artworks are really really damn good, if there was some guy making these consistently they would probably be in the top 0.1% of artists in the world and incredibly popular.

>>6786194
I don't understand the argument in that picture. He's saying that White women are so beautiful that artists worship them.... and the Chinese woman is worshiping that White woman's beauty.
Why didn't she sculpt anyone else? Oh, right, because they'd probably be fucking retarded and ugly.
If they aren't descendant from Europeans or Asians they're probably butt fucking ugly.

>>6786564
Look at the hand on the left. The pinky doesn't look natural at all, it looks like as if that should be a left hand (not a right hand) and you can see that it actually has the form of a thumb.

I keep seeing this shit getting posted as some Korean artist, but it's clearly AI generated

>>6786247
Stop posting this diaper wearing retard

>>6785650
how would you have felt yesterday evening if you hadn't eaten breakfast or lunch

>>6786242
>so Chopin suddenly stopped being European because Chinese started playing it?
I see you're retarded as well.

>>6785699
Anyone who has ever traced
Used graphite pencil.
Etched
Traced
Drawn from a photo
And especially digital artists
Are not real artists and should be killed, they are even worse than ai artists who can at least be trained to emulate TRVE ART.
Likewise if you use power tools EVER instead of a hammer and chisel you should be shot against a will and your art destroyed and your body SPAT ON.

>>6786228

>>6786242
They dunk on him cause he says women can’t do it

>>6786627
IMAGINE THE SMELL (oil paint)

>>6786287
but them mooslims took it from the the Romans (Greek)

>>6787015
Post face

>>6786635
Rich people have no taste don't want to buy masterful art, and most middle class people aren't going to shell out a bunch of money for a painting, let alone a sculpture that can be mass produced. If you ever go to an art fair you'll see lots of Renaissance-tier stuff but it's really expensive.
If rich people want to buy shitty art, that's their choice, I just wish their were more museums showcasing the really well made modern stuff.

>>6787415
Also a lot of the stuff I saw at an art fair I went to wasn't overly sterile or academic, it was dynamic or even violent, it wasn't just soulless fundy grind paintings.

>>6785648
Why the fuck should I bother with marble when blender and maya exists?

>>6785674
It's really not. They didn't even sculpt with marble, they used clay and put the marble on after

>>6785648
the old masters are overrated shit

>>6786293
They're called old masters not because of they're realistic rendering skills. They're old masters because they revolutionized art and were the best at a time when art itself was still in its infancy with barely any information on it.


If that Ching Chang ling long artist for sent back to the renaissance and had to learn art mostly by himself he'd fall flat hard and won't be able to even touch the ceiling the old masters broke

>>6785712
old disney films are actually really technically competent. It seems like you have to willfully wear a blindfold to what's around you to believe cultcritic.

>>6786911
mich is slightly subversive (as a homosexual) *and* extremely technically competent. this is what made him such a memorable artist. Same reason people coom over Pontormo, really good but hes also clearly had severe mental issues.

>>6786639

Rodin had a main squeeze that was actually a far better sculptor than he was. Unfortunately she never got the recognition she deserved, and mainly because of him. Look up Camille Claudel if you want to know more.

>>6786382
>gif

>>6786496
>quite literally nobody in that post is saying that that style of sculpture isn't a part of the western artistic tradition
uh huh, sure
>This is the legacy and heritage of the West
>the sculptor is a chinese woman
Could you remind me what what was the reason to mention her nationality? I'll get that one for you: because it's supposed to be a double dunk.

Somehow 'anti-racists' always need to show how anti-racist they are by making thinly veiled race-culture implications. They keep away from poisoning any discussion by making race based accusations and low-key advocating for cultural segregation and/or purging. If you want decrease racism in the world don't be anti-racist, it's not a thing. Just try to be non-racist.
Op thinks it's a double dunk, but it's a fucking self report.

>>6786287
I didn't expect a slave to one guy's concept of God making it /ic/
what you doing here, chap? haven't seen any abstract art nor architecture treads in a while

>>6787646
>They CAN'T keep away from poisoning

>>6785648
oh wow niggers made it realistic! nigger blacknman made it realistic so real good its good even thiugh jesus told us not to suck dick or something you know what they do to monkey babies? ylnow how they fucking murder monkey babies we nee d to step UP in evoution yknow get yhr REAL SHIT out

>>6787518
>muh time travel headcanon

WELL UNMMMM I HAVE TO KEEP SHITTING IN MY DIAPER BECAUSE IM A NIGGER YJNOW? its a real topical discussion to make when you shit nigger shit because i cant just draw it cause da mufukon JEWS yknow fucj em niggas I CANT JUST… YKNOW I CANT JUST LET IT OUT CAUSE ILL GET WHIPPED OK???!!!???i cant just ler them know in a hunan being because uuuuuh *shits pante* hehe lol

>>6786293
>>6786194
please stop posting this ugly chinese shit

>check out the page with the best contemporary painters
>investigate the galleries
>look at their paintings
>somewhat stale with some gimmicks and ad hoc "witty" titles
>priced in the 3k-10k range mostly
is it that easy?

>>6786409
She doesn't look like she belongs in her environment.

>>6786639
Assuming that ALL women are incapable of creating that type of art IS a clear indication that someone is a chauvinist. Everytime you see a piece of art that you enjoy and automatically assume that a man did it unless told otherwise IS a sign of bias.

Just because it makes you feel bad hearing those things doesn't make it any less true.

>>6787646
maybe her nationality was brought up because it's funny that someone was jerking themselves off about ~muh western culture~ when it was simply not a westerner who made that sculpture. that doesn't mean any grand point is being made about muh race culture or whatever lmao. It would be like a feminist going on and on about a piece of art that was actually made by a man, it's just kinda funny and ironic.

something CAN just be funny. not everything is some grand part of your schizo race war, sometimes people just laugh at someone on twitter because they did something pretentious and stupid.

>>6785648
This faggot always blame artists and never mention the Jews monopoly Marble sources

>>6786382
So one shit statue proves the decline of a whole culture? Good and bad artists coexist in any point in time.

Yeah nigga just buy a giant ass stone slab and start chiseling it in your studio apartment. Lmao dude use your brains.

>>6788137
post your slab

>>6785648
he's not totally wrong, but looking too far back. Jews were behind most of the great art of the 20th century.

>>6785648
They still do. Problem is, you'll never hear about them because they won't make noise on the internet

>>6786779
LMAO

>>6787869
>when it was simply not a westerner who made that sculpture
the only thing that is 'kinda funny and ironic' is your lack of comprehension while you retread using same approach I criticize

>>6787869
>not everything is some grand part of your schizo race war
shut your gaslighting trap, you fucking find me a single mainstream public platform, a single big company that doesn't go balls deep into race identiarianism, one that doesn't have a marxist diversity officer. It's not *my* race war.

Bitch I pine for the days when people could talk about anything else then race, when you could make normie takes about decline of culture or say 'nigger', 'faggot', 'retard' without everyone pretending you are a neo-nazi danger to society. For internet brownie points no less. This is moral and intellectual lazines of the highest order, all enabled, top-down, through social media.