/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6784375
aren't Japanese*

That's why you use a pen name.

>>6784382
Extreme cope.

>>6784385
proof? where's your proof I'm coping?

>>6784375
Yes, they would read my comic book.

>>6784375
Is this a cult?

>>6784390
All Western Mangaka have failed. A pen name isn't going to make up for lack of cultural understanding.

>>6784375
Manga is a small niche. Even smaller in japan, because of the competition?

>>6784390
I read it as "there's your prove" so you proved yourself that you are indeed coping

Manga is story telling. Do japan have a better story to tell? Why

>>6784411
Hollywood movies are very big in Japan. What thinks you that?

>>6784420
i lose

>>6784411
You sound like you get pegged desu

>>6784423
>Hollywood movies are very big in Japan
True.
Westerners should use the Hollywood formula on their stories to win over japan instead of trying to copy the Japanese Mangas.

>>6784411
I think there's a lot of good "western". (I hate saying that) comics/manga. I need to know why Japs are "better" in your opinion.

>>6784375
I'm a guy doing fujobait. Tee hee,

>>6784442
And I have no regrets.

>>6784446
You should kysrn disgusting monster

>>6784375
That’s retarded. There’s a huge American audience waiting for fresh food on YouTube and tiktok besides fucking art tutorials. Make your shit despite whatever black pill dip shit artistry you’re doing. People never succeed if they make this sooner fucking cry baby shit.
Here’s a list of successful shit that smoked Japanese people:
>invincible
>the boys
>every fucking marvel movie makes more than anime.

>>6784375
>If you are Japanese no one wants to read your "manga"

>>6784411
What about Peppe (Giuseppe Durato)? I thought his manga was popular

Should I switch the priority from comics to indie games/internet animation if I want to get an audience and still want to keep my manga-esque style instead of switching to something full blow western? The Image Comics house style/drawing philoshopy and their digital colors don't appeal to me much, webcomics are dead outside of gookshit/fujoshit and capeshit is absolutely a no go.

>>6784592
There is no image comics house style you bum

>>6784594
Explain why their input in the last 10 years or so is all colored using very similar methods to capeshit comics, with the exact same gradients technique and bright colors outside of the obliviously B&W ones?
Maybe I just dislike digital american comics colors in general but that's just me.

>>6784504
none of this is manga created by a non japanese learn to read dipshit

>>6784597
>Explain why their input in the last 10 years or so is all colored using very similar methods to capeshit comics
There is nothing to explain cause it isn't true. Image is literally just a publisher, they have no guidelines when it comes to style or content.

>>6784592
Unless you want to degrade yourself doing porn

>>6784411
I remember reading that there is a big comic creator in Japan right now with a hit series, and he is foreign. Don't remember which comic series it was, or his pen name or anything because I'm not a faggot, but it seems it happens.

All this said though, the chances of someone "making it" in manga, even if their japanese is perfect, is near zero all the same. Though you will likely have the advantage of being more original than isekai no.1437, because let's be honest, the Japanese are horrifically incestuously derivative in their creative works.

Anyway, just make a comic for here; people are obviously hungry for comics (as manga has proven), it has the advantage of culturally matching up with its readership (let's face it, japan has tastes that don't really agree with the average western palette), and you will have decent work/life balance compared to a Japanese author regardless of whether or not he's made it over there.

>>6784665
>I remember reading that there is a big comic creator in Japan right now with a hit series, and he is foreign.
South Korean or Chinese

>>6784375
Just make a japanese friend and co-author the work, make him/her the writer and you the artist problem solved

>>6784375
This is something that bothers me, but, I can’t let myself get discouraged. I have to keep trying anyway.
I’m not going to call my work a “manga”, I’m just going to call it a “comic”. It will use anime-styled art but I won’t pretend it’s a manga.

>>6784375

>>6784665
Shindo_L

>>6784747
Thats not a manga tho

>>6784752
>if you aren't Japanese, if you aren't Korean
This is the third option, just draw a comic.

>>6784375
I think this is only true if the artist is adamant on drawing a "manga"
I know this board can be pretty autistic about westoids not being able to draw anime but it is possible to have a heavy Japanese influence and still be successful. Look at the French animation
/art scene.

>>6784710
A spanish former marvel comic artist is literally doing this, and before that he worked as an assistant for other mangakas while not even being in japan or speaking the language

>>6784375
I think it's because of how westerners and japs have very different tendencies when it comes to writing. Getting the anime style down is the easiest part since it's quite flexible and you can just do whatever. But the thing I notice with westoid writing is that it's not raw enough, authors always hamfist some sort of greater cause or real world political shit and some convoluted story points 3 story beats into the whole thing instead of developing the fantasy more. It's why you see so much isekai shit right now too, nips like to service their audience and fulfill their fantasies while westoids like to be congratulated on some awesome storyline they thought of and how realistic and relevant it is.

>>6784814
This is actually very true. Americans are very big into allegories that get into politics, history, and philosophy. What seperates fiction from literature is usually how well the theme is written. Manga doesn't stray far from a few basic themes (hard work vs. talent, collectivism, the struggle of connecting with others) and goes all in on plot.

Plenty of non-Japanese doujin artists releasing self-published comics in Japan. Usually Chinese or Korean since they can go to Japanese cons more easily but now that digital is more common anyone can do it as long as they know the language.

>>6784375
>wanting to be mangaka in 2023
Why would I want to restrict my reach to japanese readers? Also isn’t manga just japanese made comics? Just make comic, god dammit!

>>6784751
holy shit i had no idea metamorphosis was written by an american

well that checks out

>>6784420
woop di doop bix nood to you too

>>6784752
>this comic isn't a comic tho
you weebs needs to be fucking beheaded

>>6784710
Oh, that's pretty smart. Especially if you're fluent in the language.

>>6784592
You can publish almost whatever you want through Image. There is no house style as it's all independent authors and artists pitching their ideas and Image just publishes them. Also I don't think you have been paying attention to most of the output of Image because there are manga style inspired stuff published by them. Picrel.

>>6784629
This anon is correct

>>6785161
that comic is so bad

>>6785162
I haven't read it it was just the first example of a manga style published by Image. I'm more into Brubaker personally.

More just making the point that there is no house style and they would accept manga stylized stuff as they already have.

I will prove you wrong.

>>6784931
I've seen foreigners do physical doujins but not actually releasing them digitally on dlsite or fanza so I don't know if those sites only allow japanese to sell on there

>>6785343
DLsite does and they'll even translate the description for you for free. I think they also have translation services for the full products but those come at a cost. https://www.dlsite.com/home/circle/invite?from_sp_circle_invite
I know a few gaijins who've made doujins in Japanese and sell them on DLsite or Booth. One guy doesn't even have good Japanese but his art is good enough to overcome that.

>>6785352
Ah, DLsite seems pretty based then. Fanza on other hand keeps locking itself down more and more to non-japanese unfortunately

>>6785361
Yeah, it's dumb because they also have their own localization branch and clearly want (some) gaijin money. I know that Fantia can be used by foreigners but they won't pay you unless you hit a certain threshold because of transfer fees. Just checked their circle registration TOS for their storefront and they'll only pay out to Japanese bank accounts according to that. Either way, DLsite has looser requirements for things like mosaics so you're not really losing out by not being able to use Fanza.

Honestly I don’t get it, why would you as westerner make comics that are read right to left like real manga when 99% of the audience will be westerners themselves

It’s embarrassing and feels like self hating artists who wish they could have been Japanese and make a real manga

Just embrace the comic/graphic novel lifestyle

Also I am sure that a lot of Japanese mangaka themselves never make it, although desu is no surprise when their big hits are shit like “that time I turned my female neighbour into a cat” or some stupid shit like that

>>6785903
Pretty sure manga is more popular in the west regardless so you can still emulate manga if you want or do comic/graphic novel if you like it more. I don't think there's really any drawback if you choose what you prefer since it'll probably reflect better in the work

>>6785912
Yeah I mean I too would go for a more manga look instead of those soulless superhero comic faces, but there is no point on making it literally like a manga like reading it from right to left

It’s like a desperate attempt to pass as a mangaka

>>6785917
What if you write it in Japanese or another right-to-left language? Then you have to do it that way. If it's in English it's weird though.

>>6785903
Have you ever hopped form reading right to left to left to right? Very annoying. Also consider the fact that most of the people interested in comics are reading manga in the West, so it'd make sense to emulate it in most aspects.

>>6785903
>It’s embarrassing and feels like self hating artists who wish they could have been Japanese and make a real manga
Just like all those worthless American artists who travelled to Paris to prove themselves in the galleries, oh wait, John Singer Sargent was one of them lol

>>6785903
Because manga absolutely dwarfs the comic industry and there's just so much more opportunities especially for a newcomer

>>6786212
I get it but you don’t need to make it readable for a Japanese audience since most of the readers are westerns who read left to right

But as said before manga art style would definitely be my choice since it’s more appealing to most people, just take a look at how many anime drawings you see on social

>>6784411
there is a ton of westerners in the industry though
animators, illustrators, fuck even music composers

arguably most mangaka fail
like fuck, there is a reason for the term big 3

>>6784430
Cope more westoid

>>6786636
Most Westerners read manga right to left you bum.

>>6784375
>OP always fails everything he does
>He gets frustrated and comes on /ic/ to created a retarded thread
KEK

>>6784375
>OP always fails in everything he does
>He probably doesn't try anything anymore out of fear of failure
>He gets frustrated and comes on /ic/ to create a retarded thread
KEK everytime

>>6786689
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>>6784411
>>6784592
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>>6784670
Cope faggots. Pic is famous manga created by a french guy living in France. Made friends with other mangaka too

>>6784375
If your manga comes with a petite Japanese milf with cute feet. The. I'ma read it

>>6784375
The point of making a manga as a westerner isn't to appeal to Japan, it's to appeal to other westerners who like manga. Manga is more successful in the west, and the vast majority of readers don't know anything about the Japanese language, yet they still read manga all the time. Those are the people you make a manga for. Anyone who isn't Japanese will want to read your manga so long as it looks like a manga. Simple as

>>6790795
exactly, french

no pure white westoid makes it in the japanese industry
sure there are westerners but they are all half asians/europeans/even freaking brazilian. white people just have the inability to absorb and accept other cultures

>>6794827
>pure white westoid

just go end it bro...it's not gonna get better for you, you're already so far behind...just do it...

>>6784381
Kek

>>6784375
Honestly it's the opposite.
If you're a foreigner you automatically stand out and you speak languages that reaches people the Japanese doesn't.
You also understand a completely different culture. The big mistake I see from non-Jap mangaka is that they do the exact same shit the Japs are which is moronic