/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

why are peoples' drawing from imagination so much of lower quality than their copies?

>>6783306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39dc5h32kEE

>BOOM-BOOM-BOX!!

>>6783318
They haven't drawn enough from imagination.

>>6783306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS4zCAJJfWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw3v2wXAjRc

Damn my shitty heads made it into the OP

>>6783539
K I N G ! !

cooolor practice

>>6778274
you are god damn right bro
she can summon ghostly blue hands

>>6784144
her left hand is broken

>>6784152
but I can do that hand pose with my own hands irl

>>6784166
I don't get it either. Hand looks fine.

>>6784166
>>6784195
oh nvm it's actually the whole forearm and elbow too

Short hair or long hair

>>6784240
>asks "Short hair or long hair"
>is bald
Nigga how about you draw both first then people can decide

>>6784252
Swear to God if I do both I'm gonna end up liking both and doing 2 complete versions.

>>6777353
thanks for the help!

I suck at poses, also any crit? I know the hands/arms definitely need work.

>>6784144
NTA, but I love the body types your girls have. Especially the small amount of chub belly they show, how did you master bellies like that?

Reposting this because I want to put side by side with the nude version. I know the pose is boring and the arms/hands need work. Any critique?

>>6784144
NTA, but I love the body type you give your girls. Especially the small tummy pudge they show. How did you master that type of tummy?

>>6784304
morpho's book describes this fatpad well
I also make many copies of artists who draw girls with voluptuous bodies like Blue GK and Try
also, check this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NnTKkA3jCU0

>>6784304
forearms way too large

>>6784330
Thank you anon! I'll look into Morpho's anatomy book. Girls who have a slight bit of pudge on them can make them stand out more I think
>That vid
Thanks for showing that too, didn't realize the fat pad can just be an apple
Once again thank you

>>6784344
Thanks anon, yea my forearms definitely need work. Gonna try and learn the muscles/bones for them for a bit.
I love the fixes you did in your redline! You made her look much more relaxed in it. Also love that you gave her a toy, thank you

anybody got a CSP asset that's all the tone scraping tools and shit

>>6784304
Jesus christ

why did I fail??? :'^C

>>6784481
You’re drawing without any purpose. Draw a scene with intention. You have a solid understanding of fundamentals and I can see that you were applying perspective with this drawing.

Do more extreme poses that make you happy to see something. Ask why you want to draw instead of just using an AI to look at something.

>>6784492
>Do more extreme poses that make you happy to see something

What's supposed to make me happy?
What sort of poses make you happy?

I drew something today that made me laugh really hard, but it doesn't mean that it's good art.

I guess it's more sovlful yes

this was fun as well

this was funny as hell to draw but is it good ?

I don't know about that....

I really want to get good at drawing anime women. Anyone read Drawing the Female Figure: A Guide for Manga, Hentai and Comic Book Artists? Any decent?

Does anyone actually use the loomis construction method for the figure at all?
It's weird, It feels awful to draw
It takes me a solid 20 minutes to draw the regular straight standing pose one
Not even taking into consideration trying to use it in perspective
I tried using on poses and everything just fell apart

I've been trying to learn it but I've struggling so damn hard
I'm considering dropping it

Am I just too stupid?
Should I give up?
Just give it to me straight at this point...

>>6784655
Loomis is good for the head anatomy and measurements but the body part is just tedious, Vilppu makes drawing bodies more fun

>>6784499
You could just draw something stupid and make up whatever story you want. I was on sadpanda looking for random shit and found an artist that likes to draw girls getting vored by dinosaurs and then being pooped out without being digested. He drew very good dinos even better than the girls.

>>6784499
Nice construction

>>6784655
i stopped using construction like 2 months after i studied anatomy lmao

>>6784655
It's not a step by step guide, it's for understanding the structure

Hello, I have a question. I already have a decent level when copying a reference it doesn't get to be a 1:1 copy but it is decent. What next? I can now start gathering model poses and applying them to X character?

the more I look at the faces drawn by artists I like the more I'm just seeing shapes and not facial features
I can't make it come together in an appealing way, it's fucked

>>6785166
yes
>>6785176
if you are a brainlet at visualization then analyze just half of the face at a time top half bottom half then left half right half etc

>>6785091
the eyelashes on flan look like eyel.ids

Any glaring issues?

I think it's finished

>>6785581
Amazing work as usual, anon! Those tits are really hot and the way the body and face are drawn adds a lot too!
(now get her fingered by the hands!)

>>6785443
Eyes are a bit close to together. A good trick to remember is that are eyes are more or less about one eyes apart

>>6785601
thanks friendo

>>6785615
sloppy edit but does this look better?

>>6785581
vago is too square and in different perspective from the body

>>6785726
thanks god for liquify

>>6785742
dont forget this ibn the future

>>6785762
croppeed toomuch

>>6785581
Dude you are already /pro/ time to post on twitter and never come back because it is good for you.

>>6785767
>you are already /pro/

>>6785763
I know it's anatomically unrealistic but I find that fat puffy pussy on the right way more erotic

>>6785779
well turbo coombrain wont notice it, in monochrome it kinda doesnt look that bad but when opainting its more ovbious, like the paint he did if he takes the tong or whatever it is, the vaggo is fused with the tummy theres no transition if that even makes sense

>>6785794
*coombrains*

>>6785391
you turned flan into a slut

>>6785794
>>6785763
NTA but thanks anon, i always felt like there was something odd with that particular part of the body whenever i drew it. That might be it.

>>6785889

>>6785391
Original poster here. Thank you for posting these. This was really educational, though I intentionally drew Flandre's face to be a little plump and rotund because that's just how I draw children/lolis. I was never one to draw sharper edges on anime-style faces. I also wanted the eyes to be really big and eye catching like she's staring right into your soul. Simple, round, childlike features but with the creepy, piercing eyes of a vampire was my goal for her. I do however appreciate these touches, same with Mami's sleeve and Flandre's wing crystals.

>>6785906
This just made me laugh way out loud haha, good stuff

Pic related was colored by my girlfriend.

study with direct painting, was finished at about 30min

how many anons here draw coom?

>>6785995
Fucked up amount as of now.

>>6785989
>WOW HE DREW A BOOBA
Same level as ai shitters.

>>6785999
it was a study of AI art haha

>>6786005
>it was a study of AI art haha

>>6786005
>AI steals your job
>go back and steal AI's job back

>>6786013
>>6786005
Samefag. Good luck turning into ai. State of "nu artists", HEH.

>>6786005
>>6786007
>>6786013
based

>>6786033
Sir.

Is color mixing on brushes in csp useful? I find to have lot more control with just alt picking colors but I want to know if I'm missing something

Does anybody know of some software (could even be a game or something) where I could study shadows, by drawing the same character doing the same pose, but with different lighting?
Or maybe a way to play around with the lighting using Sketchfab models even?

Thanks.

>>6786295
Pretty sure PS and CSP can do that.

In https://setteidreams.net/settei/ there are a lot of good references for head turnarounds but not as much resources for torsos, is there another place where I can get a full reference sheet of bodies to copy?

>>6786295
Not sure if I understood you correctly, but use blender. Download models from sketchfab, set up a scene and render. There are tons of tutorials for blender on YT.

>>6786342
I knew about CSP, but not that PS has something like that it too. Thanks for the info.

>>6786349
>Not sure if I understood you correctly
Basically: I was watching the video by Krenz that is in the OP of the thread, and he mentioned the importance of being able to rotate shapes in your mind, and also how to properly shade your characters. He used a picture of a figurine for an example.
So I thought to myself why not kill two birds with one stone and learn both 3D rotation and lighting by practicing on highly detailed 3D models.

>use blender
Oh yeah, I should have thought of that., thanks.

BTW is there some place to get some of the premium models for a discount (like a 100% one)? Though the free ones should be good enough.

Help. Tell me if I'm /beg/, /int/ or what

>>6786451
beg+

>>6786451
beg-

>>6786451
well on your way to permabegdom

Any good resources on anime hair? Every time I try to do it mine just looks really off or lumpy.

>>6786454
>>6786474
>>6786500
How do I become /int/

>>6787965
Draw

Sorry for making this so large, I have a bad habit of making the canvas too big. I tried to make a pose more loose, my arms/hands still need work. Any critiques?

The use of crosshatching is kinda sporadic and needs more focus and practice.
I would focus on practicing the face a bit more.
Keep it up anon.

>>6788698

meant for

>>6788672

>>6788672
fix head

>>6788843
forgot the pic

>>6788672
Gonna post the naked version, forgot to combine it since the image is too big.

>>6788700
>I would focus on practicing the face a bit more.
Yeah, I'm still pretty bad at faces since I'm indecisive on which type of art style I want to replicate. Thanks for the input!

>>6788843
>>6788844
Thanks for the redline anon! Haven't studied the neck muscles/bones yet, gonna try and practice them along with arms/shoulders. Also your redlines are always amazing and helpful, thank you

>>6788883
dios mio

what books have you guys been using if any? i know there are links to plenty of them but im not sure what people are actually using. im not familiar with books on drawing anime basics

when doing a loomis head from a very high or low angle the proportions obviously foreshorten quite significantly, how are you supposed to construct a face from a circle then?

>>6789234
all you need is to watch/read vilppu. For absolute no draw begs I recommend the Art and science of drawing by brent eviston. DO ALL THE EXERCISES

>>6789420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz79WTRDFic&list=PLQOGKNmiKFwW25gjN-GgS9NjDMJLPQ7EG&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Zm_dyVqkM&t=4832s

>>6789426
thanks

im starting to get the hang of heads, but I still have a long way to go

I give up its too hard, everything is dificult, nothing is fun or fulfilling.

>>6789422
i meant for studying anime style art, i have been working with figure drawing books already

>>6789590
Nice

>>6789605
oh lol then just copy anime then, setteidreams and the ic torrent have alot of references.

There are books about anime, but they all just teach the same stuff as vilppu, loomis etc. The stylization can't be learned with books, you have to get the mileage

>>6789590
YOU ARE KING

>>6785989
SNOWV
BOX9 GANG WHERE WE AT???

>>6789609
>>6789710
thank you frens

Do I really need to know this to draw anime girls?

more shitty head copies

>>6789859
Only if you have absolutely no talent or a soul (chinese)

>>6789859
Yes

>>6789864
chiggas pulling out calculators for gacha splash art

>>6789859
isn't that just the fresnel effect?

>>6789863

>>6789900

>>6789864
krenz is Taiwanese
mai yoneyama is from Taiwan

>>6789863
TRUE GANGSTER

>>6789859
man ignorant of geometry is not allowed to draw anime

At what point can I try starting on my own project or pieces, I feel like I am lacking heaps of knowledge and have been grinding fundies for years

Not exactly the first time drawing anime, but also first time I have a decent enough result to be happy about it.

What do you think about it anons? I'm also open to red line

Here's the most recent drawing I've done, finished it just yesterday.

Would like a feedback on this.

>>6790654
Is this supposed to be a little girl or a highschool girl? either way, proportions seem off

>>6790654
arms too large and lower body too short

>>6790437
Not gangster

>>6790862
watch the videos you lazy faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgjx6y6B_G8 [Embed]

>>6791070
It's a highschool girl
>>6791454
I did my drawing using an exact five head proportion to make her feel younger, I used pic related as the reference.
Red line looks adult, so idk, should I use something else for proportions?

>>6791571
Not him, but does Krenz have any download able materials and tutorials for anime rendering?

>>6791582
bruh

>>6791584
read the op

>>6789591
Fun? Lol lmao even

>>6791454
Okay, I did some digital editing magic, I get it now. It's not the height that's wrong, it's the measures inside. Head to pelvis/pelvis to heel should be about equal.
The fact that you extended the legs downward in the red line threw me off in the wrong direction. Thanks for pointing that and the other stuff out, and sorry for the confusion. Will redraw it in the following days.

>>6791745
I recently started the anatomy grind after avoiding it for so long and it is killing my soul

>>6789590
What did you focus on to get better so quickly bro?

>>6788844
Fix my shit too plz

Where do I go to find references? Not in the sense that I can't find anything at all but for specific poses or actions it is really mind numbing to dig through the entire internet just to get that one angle I need. This isn't something talked about much but I'm assuming all the great artists have a huge stash of stuff they use for reference.

>>6793031
To add there is no shortage of porn and random girls' onlyfans content or whatever but it is surprisingly difficult (at least for me) to find regular shots of people just walking or something.

>>6790653
>>6790654
I don't think you did too well on these 2 drawings but I think there is good potential here.

I think the first one is supposed to be a semi-chibi style, but I think you aimed for a full SD chibi (but that's just a loose assumption not based on anything).

I don't really know what to say other than that I think you should acknowledge that the proportions are beyond acceptable, it doesn't look quite right.

Did you use her character sheet when you drew my dear wife and the lover of my life Yui Hirasawa.

I appreciate you nonetheless. Keep going gangster! I'm sure you can spit 9mm bullet holes like no other!

>>6791582
Oh, okay I see we're going pedo-style!!
I mean, yes then it's fine (but stay away from local playgrounds it's for the sake of protecting society)!

Yeah, then you're fine but she still looks odd there's something about your linework or something. I don't really know what to say.
The way you draw folds isn't great, oh, I see.

I think you are the Swedish guy, I think your problem is more so in communication and conveying your ideals and that's why everyone calls it hideous.
It's quite crucial to convey to others that you're going for "the extremely precious and niche and utmost SOVLFUL old 2hu and higarashi style."

That's something you should tell people that that's your aspirations like pic related.

Also to add to that I think you're an awful person if you're the unfriendly Swede.
Regardless, keep up with the drawing and please CONVEY WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PEOPLE IF YOU WANT THEM TO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR FUCKING STYLE.
YES IT MAKES YOU LOOK PERPETUALLY INCOMPETENT AT DRAWING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING FOR THE COPY-PASTE SAMEFACE STYLE OR WHATEVER.

I think that style sucks balls but you do you just make it clear to people that *that's exactly* what you're going for.

>>6793450
Also one more 'fuck you' to you. I'll pop your tires if I see you rolling up in my neighbourhood.

>>6792861
face is too big,left leg and body are in different directions, torso right side is a bit crooked, theres lots of minor stuff that really don't matter that much, the skirt is unnaturaly straight instead of wrapping around the lags

>>6793521
Looks worse. You somehow stiffened out the pose and made her face way too small.

>>6793521
LE FIXED. That`s it im done with /ic.

>>6793547
good thing i wasnt fixing the pose

>>6793555
Nta, but I think the pose was fine. It seems like the guy who made the edit and the redline anon appear to be different people.

SWEDEN STAY THE FUCK OUT
Y'ALL SWEDES CAN LICK MY PUSSYCUNT G-STYLE!!

BE SURE TO HIT THAT G-SPOT!!
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GANGSTERS RUN IT.

WE CALL IT A HIT AND RUN!!

>>6792861
>>6793521

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS4zCAJJfWQ

>>6793577
Lol now her upper torso is massisve and arms too long. The upwards facing of the ribcage has been lost

his artsy looked fine to begin with anyway

>>6793576
Based crackhead

>>6793601
Look at this guy with his t-rex arms and small upwards inflecting torso.

>>6793877
Look at this guy who doesn't understand perspective.

>>6793776
Thank you for supporting me! :^)

>>6793455
Which brush in CSP did you do that sketch with?

>>6793925
I don't fucking know or care

I think what brush you use does and does not make a difference.

Whether I use brush A or B it still isn't good enough anyway.

>>6793930
I never said it makes a difference, you autistic loser. I just liked the texture and was curious. Do you not know how to human?

>>6793934
Go fuck yourself I don't like you.
You don't want to fuck around with gangsters like me.

https://youtu.be/5Ju06OEy730?t=58

You paint digital.
I paint bullet holes!

Get it through you thick skull!
I have a world to paint and you will be my canvas!

>:^O

Some people clearly want to get dumped in a ditch nowadays it seems!
You just don't fuck around with gangsters.
Consequences have actions.

In the pastebin and then in the efficient study guide portion, it says
>In order to keep with the effective study ideas of memory testing, spaced repetition, and
variety, you should use this study process to cycle through multiple references at a
time and study them in an order such that you aren’t repeating the same subject
too frequently in a short period of time. This will serve in strengthening your ability to
compare the features of a variety of subjects which in turn will allow you to recall them
easier and be able to mix and alter them in a more skillful way.
So say I wanted to practice the lower torso, I would follow the study method all the way through with a reference specific to that, and then the next day pick something else to study, like drapery folds? Or does it just mean don't use the same identical reference image over and over for whatever you're trying to study?

>>6794015
Yes for both.

How Westoid does this look?
How do I fix it?

>>6794411
it passes

>>6794411
her hand is larger than his, despite his hand being manlier (physically larger) it's also closer to the camera so it should be much larger than her homohand.

might not be the right thread but how the fuck do I save my work to csp's cloud and then download the files on my desktop? do I need clip studio installed there too, or can I access the cloud from the website?

>>6794527
the artist clearly aimed for the 7th expansion style

>>6783306
help an anon out
I couldn't access the accuracy imgs since cattobox is blocked.
Can anyone send in another hosting site?

I am looking to get into drawing with the hope of eventually drawing sexy anime girls, I have not the faintest clue where to start and I have pencil and paper (Will only buy a tablet if it goes anywhere in the next couple months), any pointers?

>>6795214
I kinda envy people like you

>>6792399
Many such cases but we either suffer through or suffer regret for not doing it sooner

>>6792796
Sorry for late reply (got banned lol)
Honestly, I just deconstructed the heads of drawings I liked, and then I tried to use Loomis' method of head construction to recreate them
I still have a long way to go, but I think im heading (heh) in the right direction

>>6795284
Why so

Do you anons think that I can use the drawing techniques can be used for 3D?
I have been just stuck so wanted to ask if I could apply the teachings of drawing to making 3D anime models

>>6795485
looks gangster, I support you.

>>6795214
Gangster support got you covered!
We got your back brother!
In harmony we will strive!

>>6795938
Your inquiry makes little sense.

>>6783306
Guys where do you find high res artwork (official and unofficial) to delve into? Especially the smutty kind. I don't want to buy insanely expensive artbooks on ebay.

>>6794422
Wow, that's a bold statement, but I'm glad to read it.
>>6794527
In hindsight, it's pretty obvious. I made it smaller for composition reasons, but there were consequences.

>>6796828
You are an unsavoury individual and I wish you'd leave.

>>6793877
OP here.
Sorry anon but to me it looks worse. I reviewed it with others and they seem to agree that the arm is too long if I do this.

>>6790654
I've made a redraw of this, I think I did better than the old one, really like how it turned out. I also fixed other issues besides proportions like gesture, contour and symmetry.
Is it good now?

>>6793423
>Did you use her character sheet
That's right! Thanks for your words anon, really appreciate it!
To tell you the truth, I'm trying to replicate my own artstyle I do digitally in traditional. But since I have much less control over a pencil than I do mouse and editing tools, I'm doing the best I can.
This is what I do:
https://files.catbox.moe/4thzgp.png

I did the chibi drawing first, then I worked over it digitally. The reason I'm doing these traditionally is because I wanna stop being to overreliant of things like 3d models or tracing references to do my artwork (I almost quit because of that). It's been year since I started the figure drawing grind, and It's been pretty enjoyable so far, still a long way to go tho.

>>6793439
>The way you draw folds isn't great
Yeah, I know. But I wanna tackle clothes sepparately at another date, I already have enough to learn with anatomy stuff right now lol
>I think you are the Swedish guy
Not him
>That's something you should tell people that that's your aspirations
Can say for certain that yes, him and zun are my inspirations, their artworks are objetively not great, but people still found ways to love those drawings, and that's the great thing about it. My art may not me the best, but I enjoy doing them nonetheless!

>>6794065
lmao

Any advice on how to start painting digital? I never did before but I messed around with it a bit, having trouble getting consistent results with the blending tool and trying to figure how I'm supposed to add color and values and with what brushes
Should I just airbrush blush on cheeks then blend it, for example?

>>6795938
The only skills I can see having carry over are color theory and anatomy knowledge. So more advanced stuff. Basic shit like draw a box is useless because the computer calculates it all for you.

Has anyone gone through and done all of the accuracy images in the rar up top? How did you feel after you did them all, did you think it helped?

i just started painting a few weeks ago and holy shit, having the correct brush makes shit 100 times easier, problem is getting these shits, aside from that knowning how to use colors is very very very important, i have no idea how to but i have messed around and i suprise myself on how just adding a faint layer of a specific color can make a turd look like a diamond.

>>6798085
>>6797428
ah fuck

>>6797428
look up sinix's 2 values exercise. "decomposing" or something, there's the beginner and the intermediate version
about the blending, depends on what you want to acheve. for cel-shaded coloring like mignon or houtengeki, use the airbrush itself to blend edges. csp's blending tools (blend, painterly blender, texture blender, etc) are better for blocky rendering like kinta or fkey, imo

>Just watched the 3 hour Krenz video
>For practicing accuracy its literally just do the block-in technique until you can do it right, and then draw it from differing angles to get a feel for proper perspective and form.

Neato.

Just copy anime, they said. It'll be fun, they said.

Hi, sorry, I wanted to ask you two questions:
- I'm going to go from a squared notebook to a drawing one, any advice? Or I will not notice the difference so much because I have the lines as help.
- I still have a hard time, especially from the front, I'm still studying Loomis but is there any advice you can give me?
I have attached my last drawing since these last two days I have studied the male torso.

something looks uncanny with this head i drew, any help would be appreciated

>>6799681
looks fine.

>>6799681

>>6799728
thank you

I have reached a stage in my progress where I feel like I have a decent understanding and use of basic tier fundamentals and the only thing that trips me up is lack of knowledge of the subject I'm drawing which is quickly fixed if I study it's form and practice drawing it from different angles a few times. Am I finally on the road to go from /beg/ to /int/?

>>6799769
pyw

wonder when my lines will stop being so wobbly or shit

Is there a specific name for this technique where the linework blends with the color?

>>6799919
Pretty sure that all he's doing is add airbrushed blotches of the color in a mask layer under overlay to the lineart

>>6799788

>>6783306
Is there any artist out there that posts their very first messy sketch/rough when working on an illustration?

>>6799951
Thanks anon, just tried it on a quick study

>>6799972
>>6799951
How does it work exactly?

It's over for me /ic/, I didn't realise how deep drawing was and I think I'm way over my head. Anatomy is too difficult, my brain is shitting itself learning all the forms. Color theory is mindfucking me. Clothing is buckbreaking me. This isn't fun anymore. I feel like I know nothing. A year ago I felt like I was finally getting the hang of drawing now I feel utterly devastated.

>>6800347
this is not said enough, but not everyone will make it, however everyone has the potential to make it.
it's over.......

>>6800347
We're here to *SUPPORT* YOU!! :^)

>>6800347
Don't worry friend.
You're lucky that it's over in 2023 since AI is the great equalizer in art. Anyone can draw now!

>>6800347
All the fun was sucked out of drawing for me once I learned about how deep and complicated it is in reality, it's overwhelming if you are learning on your own. I'll probably never "make it" despite trying for years, I'm just too dumb for it I guess? That being said I'll keep drawing even if my improvements are minimal. Maybe you could just ignore everything about fundamentals, learning resources (and most importantly block /ic/ in your browser, unironically it helped me a lot when I was really down) and just start drawing what you really wanted from the start, or unironically do fanart for attention if you are semi-okay, people will love it regardless of quality and it can help your self esteem a lot

>>6800424
If you break drawing down into topics and organize your learning it's not that bad, ignoring learning is just going to be more frustrating in the long run

>>6800433
>ignoring learning is just going to be more frustrating in the long run
Yeah I know, it's the reason why I almost gave up until some anons encouraged me to keep drawing again. Now I'm slowly trying to get back into it but I'm still kinda nervous after Drawabox,Vilppu,Loomis,Huston kicked my ass over and over again the past couple years
(I guess the Krenz videos and learning how to "copy" accurately first would be a better start?)

>>6800457
I would say, first you can split it into drawing and painting
For drawing
1. Accuracy / silhouette drawing
2. Perspective
2. Basic forms in space
3. Objects in space
4. Simplified figure in space
5. Figure drawing / anatomy
6. Costume
7. Figures in a scene in perspective
8. Shape design, appeal, rhythm

>>6800476
Thanks I'll keep this in mind

>>6800424
All you have to do is learn how to draw lines where you want to draw them and not where you don't, and then after drawing a million perfect clones of other people's work, you'll start to innately understand where the pieces go.

Well, I finally started drawing in a sketchbook and it's fucking hard to make the lines or constructions without the reference grids... will I master it with practice?

being a total beginner to digital and drawing, for the most part, I'm kinda confused by what I'm supposed to do
I've just been drawing for the past month using japanese artists that I like as reference and copying their works and while I feel like I've gotten better at that, I don't really sketch anything I draw, not break it down into basic shapes and my lines are absolutely atrocious and shaky
I guess the question is, what kind of exercises should I be doing alongside this? To improve my lines and stop having my pen slip at the start of strokes too; to learn how to sketch, how heads and faces look like from different point of views, and how to actually break a figure down into shapes
examples would be very helpful, thank you lots

>>6800347
You really have to be in the right mindset to hunker yourself down and be disciplined about learning anything, not just drawing.
As an example(a shit one, I know) I've been self-teaching myself Japanese for 6 months now and I remember the first 3 months being hellish(couldn't understand anything, felt burnt out, skipped days, only did the easy parts). Now, I've got the routine down to a tee.

Also, it's not just about dedicating 100% to learning. Give yourself some free time to draw subjects that you like to draw. During this time, don't worry about the technicalities and whether or not it comes out looking good. Make it fun and expose yourself to the drawing world everyday so it becomes second nature after a while.

Also exercise, eat, and sleep well. It'll help you feel not tired from the get go and with enough energy to absorb information and process that onto your canvas.

>>6797371
i think you unironically need to spend some time copying anime because the style is eluding you

>>6801078
KEK! The entire modus operandi of /ic/ is to inflict maximum damage to the feeble minded who think drawing is as easy as breathing the very air we are breathing so you shouldn't be attempting to steer the inevitable. It is wasted effort on your end.

>>6801443
Anons just need time to get their heads straight. My words might not strike at the right moment but I'll take my chances either way and keep offering advice.
If I can inspire even the slightest motivation for an anon to make one (cute) drawing I'll consider that a + for me.

>>6801078
>I've been self-teaching myself Japanese for 6 months now and I remember the first 3 months being hellish(couldn't understand anything, felt burnt out, skipped days, only did the easy parts). Now, I've got the routine down to a tee.
What did your routine eventually become?

>>6801078
Good advice with the last two parts. I feel like /ic/ puts way too much faith into discipline alone while completely ignoring motivation and self care. Most of us are just dumb low self esteem neets who needs to be rewarded every once in a while if we don't want to completely burn out (at least that's the case for me)

>>6801078
I find that what helps for me is motivation and having a goal. When I learnt Japanese, I stuck with a few basic rules. A day off is failure. Maintain the same basic structure each day, and practice time management. Failure means you're too old to learn Japanese anymore, and you'll spend the next 60 years being a retard who has to depend on shit translations.

It's hard, but anki made it easy. I could visibly see how many reps I had left each day. I knew if I had done my new cards or not. With each passing hour, the looming dread of the idea that I could wind up not finishing for the day and become a NGMI retard forced me to act, and there were times when I straight up shut down everything and said "right, no more stupid youtube shit until you do half your reps, retard". The longer you enact a routine, the easier it gets. I wake up, I do my reps. Eat lunch? Quick sanity check, did I do my reps yet? About to go to bed, last thing I check before I sleep is if my reps are done.

And the more time passed, the less of my time was spent on reps. These days they take me about 2-3 minutes, while I spend about 4 hours a day just using and enjoying Japanese. Other skills are far harder to learn. I like the idea of music, it's hard to stick to a practice routine. Drawing is similar. There are probably time management tools out there that work well, like a floating timer you can set up and say "right, I'm going to spend X hours on X, and Y hours on Y every day", and then you can just activate it and keep track of how much time you've got left to accomplish your goals.

Trying to find a painting workflow by copying rough process, digital painting is confusing

Is it worth it just doing 5 min quick copies instead of longer ones? Wouldn't it be better to a lot of quick ones than a lot of longer ones to build up visual library?

>>6801868
Well, let's put it like this. Which library do you think would be more useful, one filled with books, or one filled with lots of children's scribbles? Sure, you can draw garbage a million times, but all you will have done is learn how to draw garbage.

>>6801972
Makes sense, but if you're kinda new to it I think it's a good idea to at least remember the basic shapes quicker from different perspectives for instance

>>6783306
I like the way this is painted, how is it done? he sketches and then paints before the lineart or something right?

I like that style where the painting brush is messy and outside of the lineart

>>6802408
another

If any of you are interested in improving your condition, sex is good way to achieve that while having tons of fun. :^)

>Drawing is good
>Anime face looks like a flat-colored sticker
Many such cases, even in professional work. How do I avoid flat anime-face?

>>6802809
PYW

>>6802809
flatty facey is part of the game my friend. :^)

>>6801484
Anki vocab deck for an hour.
Cure Dolly grammar guide videos for another hour. (Usually 1 or 2 videos and taking notes.)
Then immersion for however many hours I want to do it for that day.
Things like watching Japanese youtubers, anime with JP subs, j dorama. As long as it's raw Japanese with no crutches like English subs, it makes for good immersion.

>>6801502
I'll be honest, there's days where I lack any semblance of motivation but what keeps me going is the abundance of energy I get from taking care of my body and mind. That and I also want to be able to understand cute anime girls the way their supposed to be and not with English subs that mistranslate everything.

>>6801525
Same here, I find that just simply having that exposure to Japanese in ways I find fun really cements what I learn. The learning part just becomes a regular routine like brushing my teeth or taking a shower. I'm not really too worried about when I'm going to be fluent. I know it'll just happen one day if I keep doing the routine I've created for myself.


Sorry for the off-topic shit but I do draw sometimes when I've got some free time. I've read through Michael Hampton and that helped understand anatomy and proportions of the body a bit.

>>6803141
i've been thinking about getting back into japanese again, it's been about 5 years or so since i last studied. after sticking with drawing for about a year and a half it's nice to know that you actually can learn difficult stuff if you just stay consistent

I am feeling extremely self-conscious of the fact that I'm a 30+ male and learning to draw little girl cartoons, how do I get over this? It is dawning on me that I'm ngmi IRL.

I am feeling extremely self-conscious of the fact that I'm a 30+ male and learning to draw little girl cartoons, how do I get over this? It is dawning on me that I'm ngmi IRL.

>>6803552
nothing wrong with being pedo

>>6803552
The bigger issue is you're a vtumor watcher.

>>6803552
How long have you been drawing for?

>>6802809
Think 3d. When you put down the eyes, orient yourself to the guideline, imagine the head in your head. Imagine the eyes as 3d objects in a skull, imagine the nose as 3d object on a 3d object etc. You probably heard this alot, and I did too but once it really clicked your drawings will look alot less flat.

To practice it draw some volumes and connect them, like draw a sphere and attackother spheres and rectangles onto it and make them overlap and attach like they would in a real 3d space

>>6803592
This.

>>6803552
There is nothing wrong with it desu, most seasoned cute girl drawers are 30+ BUT you must also draw some badass cool stuff to compensate and not make your brain become 100% coomified, my advice: Draw some demons dragons and warriors or some stuff or classical stuff like scenes from the bible or lotr or something. But if you only want to draw cute anime girls and nothing else that's okay too, just now that you're weird.

>>6803592
Which vtuber is this, I like the color scheme, want to check out her artist.

When it comes to chubbier female characters, am I supposed to draw their armpits with less detail or puffier skin or both?

>>6803552
looks cool anon
I'm also wondering just like >>6803682

>>6803615
I've been at it for 2 years now, although just as a hobby and not something I'm working on full time.
>>6803592
>>6803682
>>6803765
I actually didn't realise it's a vtuber, I just threw together some basic design and coloring. I guess this means my style (or lack of) is too generic.
>>6803670
I've been trying to learn to draw backgrounds as well but I'm still horrible at it. Maybe in the future I can put my anime girls into cool scenes.

>>6803811
What do you mean you didn't realize?
You just made this design up yourself?
I don't know if it's a vtuber, but in case it is, please tell us I guess...

>>6803817
I made it up just mashed some different pieces I wanted to learn like school swimsuit and jacket with sleeves, applied some color theory to it to make it look ok.

>>6803592
>>6803682
least obsessed /vt/ browsers

Long time no post, can I get some crits on this I'm at crossroads with my art style of late and I'm working on changing it at the moment. What do you think of it?

Long time no post, can I get some crits on this I'm at crossroads with my art style of late and I'm working on changing it at the moment. What do you think of it?

>>6804368
Get rid of the noise filter

>>6804401
okay

>>6803552
What brush did you use to color

I don't want to be artist #79785667 with the thin line, generic pixiv moeblobs. Can I get examples of art styles with thick lines/good variation in line weight?

>>6803552
Maybe a decade ago you would've gotten pummeled for drawing little anime girls, But now with how popular Japanese styled art has become, a majority of westerners have accustomed themselves to it by now.
If it helps you feel any better, in Japan, middle aged men drawing erotic young-looking anime girls has been a thing for quite some time now.

So how accurate do these exercises need to be exactly. Been helpful to actually getting me to look at the shapes.

>>6804716
Cute fatboys

>>6804716
>Simple drawings
90% aka your pic
>complex
80%

Its hopeless...

>>6804661
You will become #458532 artist with thick lines tho

Check out

铳墨鱼_Loligogh
tomato(ぽてと)
kotoyama
teriibol (nsfw)

I CAN'T DO IT I'M NGMI I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>6801525
I have a similar experience. Japanese was my venture into true disciplined self learning, and from the getgo even when I knew virtually nothing it was an easily motivating thing to push through. I think the process and design of Anki is just for me. Now I'm at a level where I can comfortably read just about anything.
That has given me some sort of ego, a confidence boost in learning now, where I feel like I want to develop all the skills I dreamed of developing since I was a kid. And here I am. But drawing is so much different than learning a language. For someone whose daily Anki repetition process worked really well on, what would you say the right course of learning to draw would be? What is the systematical process equivalent for grinding art?

>>6805459
Let me preface this by saying I'm a retard who has barely started with art.

I think it's good to split the day between work and play, and spending more than half your time just fucking around and applying new concepts you're learning to art. Play is important for motivation, it's the same reason reading basic shit in Japanese was so beneficial, because you can feel the progress that you don't when you're spending all day drawing circles. What's hard with drawing for me is knowing how long you're spending on it, and that's why I think some kind of timer is a good start, like a press to start one for your desk if you're drawing by hand or some kind of tracker that indicates when you have a drawing application open and active for PC. You just set an amount of time you want to practice each day, and then you stick to it. The way I tend to work is being a lazy piece of shit all the time, so I do a bit here, and a bit there, and shave it down proportionally.

As for organisation, that seems a bit tougher. You don't know what you don't know, after all. Picking and choosing seems good, there's more than one way to skin a cat and if one explanation doesn't make sense, you just move onto another one that does. Maybe over time you can come back and work through the first one with new knowledge and get it. Language is ultimately a much simpler topic, you either know a word or you don't, while art is layers upon layers of complexity and simplification.

I have a bit of a dilemma, I want to draw cute girls in sexy poses with a bit of coom on the side but don't want to wallow in porn searching for references day in and out because I think that will potentially fuck my mind over. I've heard really skilled artists can just use 3D models pose them the way they want and use their own anatomy and rendering knowledge to bridge the gap but I am nowhere near this level yet.

>>6805493
To add where can I get references until I can safely use the 3D models?

>>6805495
I imagine you can use boorus and the like with safe search enabled so you don't accidentally see a nipple and jizz your pants. Or you could go to /c/ or something.

>>6805499
Isn't it cheating if you reference someone else's art and just copy the pose

>>6803552
the majority of artists you see established at 30-40

Help me out anons

What you think of the placement of her nipples? Are they correct or wrong? If wrong, where you think I should place them?

Making a Lava Beast Brawler for an internship thing. Let's see if it passes the 4chan test.

aight

>>6806190
what does it mean to pass the 4chan test /asg/?

>>6806190
>>6806195
>>6806219
this is gangster!

i can feel the FiRE through my veins!!!
LET'S GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>6806226
thank you mister green :' )
my brotha from anotha mother

>>6806097
A LITTLE LOWER MAYBE !!

>>6806195
Abs not defined enough. 0/10 NGMI
Good shit, dude. She would make a sick fighting game character.

>>6806228
the head is too small i think

>>6806265
Looks fine to me, since we're below her.

I gave up today and I must admit I need to improve my head building. Or maybe it's the exaggerated style of Trigger that demotivates me a bit (LWa and KLK Setteis) Loomis is the best way?
I attached what I did today. I have faces that have genuinely turned out more decent to me like this.
>>6799422
I hope I don't bother asking for feedback.

>>6806190
What company is the internship thing for?

Just curious but why an internship? Why not just create your own thing?

>>6806365
Bro, why create my own thing when I know that anything original I create will get less than a thousand likes and no money? I know realistically that I dont have enough of an audience to really receive anything substantial in return for the amount of effort I put into my original work. I'm doing this so that way I can continue doing the stuff I love but still make money doing it.
What I'm starting to realize is that most twitter followers simply have the money like a company does to afford you to properly do fulltime work for them. I'm looking to do art fulltime, so if that means handing my characters' souls to a company then so be it.

>>6806413
simply don't have the money*
Damn you autocorrect.

>>6806413
Internship won't pay you either sport.

>>6806417
Yeah, but internship leads to a job that WILL pay me enough to live comfy. Social media progress has been too slow, so I'm going for a more direct approach. It's not just about money either. Being in a professional environment surrounded by skilled peers who sincerely are trying to grow and give helpful feedback is infinitely better than the alternative- Posting into a void and have the only metric of your success be how much social points you get from a fickle algorithm and relying on random people online to tell you how to improve

I'm trying to get back into drawing, so I traced what I think the skull should look for this anime head here. Does this look accurate?

>>6806423
Do you live in America/the west? If so you should probably just freelance or something. Anime art isn't used in companies very often unless they're like shitty gacha games, and even then that's usually made in the East. Not trying to be a crab, that's just my industry experience.

>>6806430
A friend of mine works at NetEase and a couple indie studios looking for the kinda stuff I'm aiming for that have studios in California and Canada. Freelance is an option too, but being in person is probably an easier option atm for me since its much easier to freelance once you have actual physical studio experience.

>>6806413
(OR) ok, I can relate to that. From my perspective I've only received 3 likes total when I post my original stuff and nobody reposts my fanart. Sure, it's demoralizing but I don't care about that because fuck every1 else.

But you still ignored my original question. Is it Capcom? Mihoyo? Bethesda? SquareEnix?

>>6806432
(OR) oh, ok. Good luck with that. It seems like you aren't American so it might be worth it. I don't know what the minimum wage is out east. Not to discouraged you. But from my working experience there's a lot of shitters out there. Most Professionals I've met have been blowhards.

Does anybody knows artists with a semi-realistic artstyle, females with pretty faces and great figures to recommend?

>>6806432
I wouldn't recommend working for indie studios over freelancing. They tend to have shit pay and bad hours. And if you're from a poor country they'll exploit you.

Why the fuck is Clip Studio saying that my license isn't valid now? And it doesn't even fucking let me log in? Maintenace? What the FUCK

>>6806531
You chose this fate, you embraced capitalism instead of actually learning about Marxism-Leninism.

>>6806581
Based

>>6806581
What's the marxist-leninist drawing program of choice?

>>6806531
There was maintenance my nigga

>>6806531
>Clip Studio ... license

You can't be serious. I hope it's not a subscription at least

i made it..... to my first goal

>>6807005
give tips

>>6807005
neat

I've never posted in this thread despite drawing anime so hi. Critique is nice, I'm trying to improve.

>>6806097
it feels like theres no gravity. they should be were the red crosses are imo, your pic looks more likeshe is on her back

>>6807921
theres a lot of errors, but these are the worst, his skull is too small, eyes are too far apart but that could your StYle so take it as you want. torso is slightly out of perspective wuth regards of the rest of the body

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