/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Sheet N°53 from 103

I've been thinking of doing this except with Hogarth, because I hate Bridgman.

>>6778295
Dude Hogarth is WAY more difficult. That's like the final Boss in the game. I would do Loomis before that.

>>6778288
drawing is not a video game, you can't grind 100 boars and level up to gain a new spell. you need thoughtful conscious practice

>>6778308
Which is why AI is coming. Nobody wants to spin their wheels forever

>>6778308
Don't tell me how to learn

>>6778308
I think it actually works pretty much like that. Draw the same hand 10 times and you will learn to do that hand. Then you will level up to try learn "another type of hand" or whatever. Most of the things in life you learn by doing. This is no different. As a matter of fact, THIS IS the thing you learn by just doing. Copying a thing again and again, making it better and better each time. Till it gets embedded in your memory. This is not like mixing wrong shit in a laboratory and blowing yourself up lol, in that case YOU DO NEED to be thoughtful and conscious.
Unless you're in the design stage of an idea, you can do this work listening music or with your attention in other things, like learning languages or hearing the news.

>>6778308
>learning how a knee works won’t in any way help you draw a knee
This is what you’re saying right now.

>>6778311
The concept is cool, that idea that any creative person can say "I want a design of characters in the style of Rembrandt, dressed by Anthony van Dyck, in a future when the industrial revolution never happened, but humans transcended into magic an are in contact with the spirit realm. I want a book of that in the style of JRRMartin, a movie in the style of Spielberg and a comic series in the style of Frazetta"... All of that is awesome.
But at what point those core parameters will become lost and unreachable? Frazetta, Rembrandt, Van Dyck, etc. At what point those future users typing stories in a device will lose the human manual skill of the very thing they are trying to evoke by prompting? Who will keep that creative core parameter alive? Not just in art, but in wood work, architecture, machining, cuisine, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, writing, clothing, shoe making, whatever.

Little secret select clubs or cults? Will only those will be able to come up with new "out of the algorithm" ideas?
AI can only make an infinite amount of combinations from already known creations. To add something new to that database you need the human input. A creature creating something weird out of his mind not yet inserted in the algorithm. For that, elemental ingredient, you need to train that creature to get it. That's supposed to be what an "Alchemical Process" is by some "people". Past, present or future, we are all doing something necessary to keep the human creature apt to the task at hand. Whatever that task may be.

>>6778295
hogarth doesn't want you to actually copy his drawings lmao. he really hated the academic-style of copying things
he wrote in a tl;dr way exactly so that you could immediately start drawing action figures in your own style, the difficulty of course is in reading his words
and yes he hated bridgman's figures too. kek. he thinks they look too dead and static. hogarth drew comics for literal decades, then he started teaching for literal decades after.
look up 'marshall hogarth' on youtube and you'll see what kind of man he is according to marshall; he is incredibly impressed by hogarth's draftmanship and anatomy skills
obviously this makes it such that hogarth is way better for /ic/ purposes. but copying makes people think that they're improving, that they're doing something, even if not, so people would just bandwagon it to no end.

reminder that you shouldn't do your second pass immediately after the first; do the first pass, continue drawing for a few months on your own, then return to the book

you need to practice what the first pass taught you, not immediately assume you remember everything without actually putting it into a project or your own studies

>>6778308
try drawing a page from memory, you will see it's not as dumb as you think

>>6778472
never said it was dumb, if you mindlessly blank out and copy you wont learn, 100 worthless strokes vs 25 meaningful and thoughtful ones

Just started. Not as fast and accurate as OP, but I can feel my brain working trying to accurately place down lines, which I take as a good sign.
Might do anywhere between 3 to 12 drawings a day I think, so its going to take some time for me to finish the whole thing.

seemed fun, so I'm also joining you guys
warmup with the cover

>>6778308
Dude, life isn't a video game, you don't gain levels by practicing, you should never touch a pencil, ever, never make a single stroke, THAT'S how you get better

Starting this one as well, though I just started drawing in January so I'm not as good as the rest of yous. I mainly just needed something to get me out of option paralysis and this seems like a good way to do it.

>>6778300
>>6778293
>>6778361
No offense, but compared to BRidgman, the lines and curves on the right seem too basic and simplified. Whereas in the book there seems to be more texture and fluidity and volume to it all.
That's something that confuses me a lot about drawing from reference. How do you know how you're supposed to represent a form with hatching or lines or whatever? A good example would be something like a nose. If you line the nose in a basic symbol type way then it's going to look very amateurish

>>6778295
Ignore the haters. Marko Djurjevic(concept artist+marvel cover artist) copied Hogarth(more than twice).

>>6778288
>>6778953
based

>>6778295
also based. instead of using dislike for the book as an excuse for not drawing you found solution! gmi mindset

>>6778393
>hogarth doesn't want you to actually copy his drawings lmao.
yep, in the very first page of his figure drawing book he says there are plenty of resources about anatomy that go into detail both from the perspective on art and science, so he doesnt care about that, all he wants is to create a ressource that already assumes people know the basics of anatomy or are willing to study it and just give something that helps them go beyond the grinding and copying

i also find hogarth great for this as the way he simplifies the forms makes it easy to memorise and reproduce form memory, so at least for me, he works very well

laso, hogarth should be quoted along with vilppu when speaking of feeling the form, dang look at that form

>>6778408
Fair. I’ll probably spend the next two weeks just doing drawings and maybe studying from my old Hogarth book a bit since I actually have that one physically.

>>6778288
First time making it to an OP on /ic/. Now I'm even more motivated

>>6778065
Continuing, this exercise for the steps on drawing a figure kind of confused me. Also it wasn't much so I tried to draw some from imagination after some copies and tried to flip it a few times

>>6778782
another set before going to sleep

>>6778636
First page done
I do a lot of mistakes, but this is really good observation training so I just need to push on regardless even if I feel frustrated

>>6779498
Another page for today
full figures are hard

Where does the pelvis insert here?

>>6778515
This. You shouldn't speed through it and mindlessly copy Bridgman. It's less copy and more study

>>6778288
Hi total beginner here, should i try to copy bridgman right away or maybe I should have the basics with figure drawings ?

>>6780597
let them burn

Copy twice? Anon I have blue, black and red. What would you do if you went back one more time?

>>6780464
> drumroll
In the butt
> snare

>>6780628
Get a teacher or a good book. If you're asking for help now, be certain that you'll struggle to learn anything on your own. Self-learning is harder than you think.

>>6779023
You're right anon. I'm simplifying this exercise to the max. I really need to get this done and move on. I'm going to do another pass but just using pencil and paper like the other anons. I think that's the best way to do this.
Noses are fun, you can do a lot with them. Ugly noses, thin noses, fat noses, crooked noses, flat, round, wide, the variations could be infinite.

>>6779248
Great!
>>6779498
You're doing what it needs to be done, good job anon. Stay strong.
>>6780903
Go forward

>>6780920
I just asked for advice, oh my sorry maybe I should never ask questions and truly follow the self study road alone
Idiot but thanks for answering

>>6781150
Not them, but this is for people that can kinda already draw. A beginner should be drawing a variety of different things from life. Look at stuff in your room and try to draw it. Go outside and draw what you see. Beginners just need to put in the hours with observation drawing.

>>6781150
>Idiot
Ah. You're one of those.

>>6781164
Alright thank you

Goddamned Bridgediers. I'm proud of you /ic/

>20 pages away from finishing first pass
>experiencing momentary lapses in consciousness while drawing, suddenly realizing that I’ve finished the drawing afterwards

Is this an indication of needing a break?
I’m addicted and can’t put the pencil down…

>>6778308
You do need some conscious effort, but I feel this board just focuses too much on the conscious part and forgets the doing part, this is not math in the end, you just have to do it.

>>6781088
>>6781090

The entire point of the arm bone diagrams is to show the origins and insertions of the muscles, and you chose to leave them out.

This exercise will be useless to you if you don't think about what you're drawing.

I always start reading the 1 star reviews first to try and get an idea of the worst thing possible with whatever product. The 1 star reviews for Bridgman on Amazon are some of the only Internet artifacts to just honestly radiate IQ issues...

>>6781630
You're in the zone, get used to it. Use your working capacity wisely. Well done anon!

I will try this when OP makes it to step 2 and has to draw all these from memory. Then we will see if this exercise has the potential to yield gains

>>6782043
Thanks, brah! reassuring. Best of luck continuing to blaze forward

>>6778308
I mean it sort of is. You want to grind to get a good visual library and muscle memory, after which is much easier to draw on easy mode and get creative with it without stressing yourself out.

>>6779715
Exhausted from work so I didnt really feel it today, but still managed to crank out a page
>>6781088
Yeah I'll keep throttling on, thanks

>>6782617
I've been thinking about the "doing from memory the second time" , and what it really means. Because we all usually use reference to make anything even if we are not "beginners". So drawing this again from memory, means to do these figures without any reference? Like at all? So to me it means to draw poses and anatomy with your own style, it won't look the same, not even close. But it should look "ok" in proportion and "anatomy". If you can draw "a figure" sitting, crouching, or standing like any of the pictures in the book, then you just made the improvement promised by the exercise.

I could do these figure sketches all day. I'm just going back in my journey to do things right. I need to do muh Bridgman's, muh Loomis, muh Vilppu's, I've been lacking all these years. I think many artists do the same, they just jump ahead at full speed, and they become really good at something they really like, but then they realize they are trapped there. What if I want to do a western classic composition? or a particular time set like something in the 60's, 50's 40s? I need to go back and open all these old books and take it slow. I really want to do this again but with pencil and paper. But I need to finish this digital version, get it out of the way.

>>6784825
drawing from memory means drawing the same thing, but from memory with no references at all.

can anyone tell me where i can get a pdf of this book?

>>6784956
The /ic/ torrent has a few bridgman books, not the really good ones, but it should sufice if you want to copy them.

>>6785633
Suffice*
My brain is becoming smooth with the passage of time.

>>6778308

80% done. Almost there.

OP do you wager I should do this "challenge" if I'm pretty incompetent at drawing bodies? In /ic/ terms, I would fall under the category of low beg.
I also kinda want to copy someone else, like hampton or huston. Would that be feasible?

>>6786727
Hi anon, honestly, I would recommend to study another author, with a much more clear and up to date design. Some anon made a thread named "Copy Tom Fox twice", I don't think anyone will actually do that, but they should. That option is a much better and much more effective tool to copy and learn anatomy and figure. It is really excellent.
I think you should choose that one book to do this exercise for sure. But, of course, this is a really tedious task, (and hard for a beginner), but of course it is not impossible. Just don't put yourself into an schedule or time frame to do it. Just take it easy, step by step. Look man, trace it if you have to. Anything is allowed to get it done. Then do it again with out tracing it, or what the hell, trace it twice. Whatever it takes, you brain needs to imprint these figures and shapes in your memory. The only way to do that is drawing it again and again.

I think you can get the book easy on the webs, I've found it on reddit, vk, and e-hentai galleries.

Then you have other options like the ones Jeff Watts reviews here
https://youtu.be/ayQsCau0hj8
Good luck anon

>>6778288
>my catgirls made it into the OP
No nobody’s gonna take this thread seriously now lol
>>6786785
Hm. I wonder if I should switch to that, then

>>6786785
Not a fan of his work, his style isn't what I'm looking for.
Will try to give it a shot, but for now I'll try to copy hampton until I decide enough is enough and give Fox a try. Will report with my failures in the future.

>>6786785
show your pages then!!

>>6782617
Not OP but still

>>6787537
Neat if true

>>6786999
>I wonder if I should switch to that
You are clearly really good. You totally understand what you see when translating Bridgman's weird anatomy.
When I recommend Tomfox's book, that's because his style is so absolutely clear that there's no way to get it wrong for a beginner. With Bridgman's, is the opposite, there's a few schematics that really left me confused about what the fuck was he even trying to draw, one of those was a scapula schematic. Bridgman's weirdness adds a handicap level to the exercise.

Tomfox's could be a really good one to do. But I'm really yearning to try Loomis. I won't be doing this again though, I'll do a normal exercise with paper and pencil. This is a huge pain in the ass. Using digital pen/brush is much slower than using an actual pencil on paper, then saving, then maybe resizing, then uploading this shit. I just want to draw. If I post something I here I want to have fun, some fun coom, some fun request. I'm not doing this thing again digitally, lol.

>>6787482
Yeah, Hampton is good, you should finish that. Then Tomfox's will be a breeze
>>6787533
Nah, I wont't upload another grind like this. I0ll use pencil and paper, this is such a drag. I could have been done already twice doing this the trad way. Also I want to do Loomis first.
>>6787537
This is freaking awesome anon. I choose to believe is true, lol

>>6778393
pyw

Hey ya'll, 'nother anon doing some studies of anatomy to be less rusty in it. Aside from bridgman, I plan on checking Hog's study work too. Just wanted to ask, how the muscle placement look for the left drawing? I used the anatomy for sculptors book, so I can make a model, and then draw poses of the muscle study, for muscle memory (no pun intended). I plan on doing another re draw of the front torso in symmetry, for better readability, and to label each. Just more or less wanted to ask if I have the muscle placement/insertions correct, incase I missed something. Or if something is off.

>Should note, I made the shape and proportions stylized for better readability, since I plan on doing muscle & skeletal sketches, with leaner models.

>>6787750
Yeah it’s pretty tedious, especially putting together the references for posterity like you have been doing here.
> You are clearly really good. You totally understand what you see when translating Bridgman's weird anatomy.
You think so? Thank you! That made my day. It’s not that I understand anatomy well enough to know what Bridgman is getting at from a specific anatomical perspective, though. I just have a decent ability to feel the form, so I decipher Bridgman as “forms” rather than as “anatomy.” That’s why I was wondering about tomfox… or maybe morpho.

>>6787678
>>6787753
you can go look through the /msg/ threads, he documented his entire progress in them
>>6653769
he really did copy bridgman twice

>>6788493
Nice work anon. That muscle template figure looks good. I wonder how the back would look like. So, do you mean a "model", like a 3D model?
Anyway, good luck with your grinding!

>>6789157
>not that I understand anatomy well enough to know what Bridgman is getting at from a specific anatomical perspective, though
I am in the same boat anon. I am making some conclusions on the results of this exercise, one of them is, Bridgman is not good as an anatomy learning tool. It sucks. I can say that now, of course, a hundred years after he published this book. It surely was a good learning tool back then, but now, no way. There are much better learning art books for anatomy. Like the ones you named.

About which one to choose, They are very different, Morpho's Anatomy for artists, is a proper anatomy book. Clear and boring. It's a classic learning book alright. Tomfox's, onthe other hand, that's a fun one. It's all about dynamic pose, and creativity. I guess you would prefer to do that one because is fun. I dunno, maybe, it could be a good idea to start with Morpho, and do the effort to grind those boring anatomy charts. And when that gets so boring that you just can't go on, then you could switch to Tomfox's book and get a new fresh boost of motivation. Maybe I'll do that as well...

>>6789634
Cool I'll check that. I've seen some of those sketches but didn't paid too much attention to the progression.

90% The last stretch...

>>6789673
Glad you dig it! Doing the symmetrical redraw rn with smoothing inking. And to also do the skeletal land marks.
>So, do you mean a "model", like a 3D model?
Not quite lul. It's more or less bettering muscle memory at this point. Did previous drawings without taking into account the skeletal anatomy, and thus muscles dont look as good as they should, Like your rendition of the back & glute pose, top right, is steller, making use of the muscle insertions at that angle.

Tl;dr just going through anatomy again, so I can do study poses later with actual structure > winging it, and missing. messing up muscle points. & ofc, using bridgmen to help!

And working on the colors, and fixes the color bone to shoulder connection.

>>6789718
Hm. Yeah, makes sense.

bump

Starting my second pass tomorrow. Hope it goes well.

For the second pass, how do you determine that a drawing is correct enough before moving on?

>>6790352
>>6790421
Cool stuff anon! thanks for sharing. I should try that muscle doll schematic too.
>>6792875
Ganbatte Broh!

Seven pages left...

>>6793232
Do you feel you've actually improved doing all this? Any benefits you've seen with personal work? Easier time drawing from imagination, more accurate when drawing from reference, anything like that?

>>6793118
To clarify on this, when looking at the Bridgman drawing I simply get a sense of the gesture, the main shapes that capture the head, torso, and pelvis in the gesture, and then close the book and recreate it from memory. I add the muscles and whatnot from memory as well.

Usually there are stylistic differences such as the degree of exaggeration at hand (Bridgman always being more exaggerated than my memory sketch), the size of some muscles, and the perspective are usually different. I have a tendency to do tighter vanishing points that give more of a feeling of a first person perspective, and that changes how the shapes manifest. But the basic gestures might be there.

I’m not sure if I should be aiming for more exactness or if these differences are okay.

>>6793257
Not them, but the level of improvement I’ve experienced from it in a rather short span of time feels absurd to think about. When looking at any figure, it becomes easy to break it down into the shapes, wedges, le feeling the form etc. it was my first time formally studying the construction of the body however, and I’m not sure if I would’ve experienced similar or better benefits from another source. That being said, some other sources that handle the body in a more scientific manner like that of a surgeon seem to lack the constant play of forces, tensions, and releases that Bridgman captures in his more machine-like demonstrations

>>6793375
Also to add to this about imagination; having only done one pass through the book so far, drawing a basic figure from imagination feels doable and easy with a rough sketch of the shapes of the head, torso, and pelvis viewed from the drawing’s perspective. But when developing it, I have to reference something or act out the pose myself to get the more fine details. It’s usually quite relieving to see many overall details that I get from imagination matching the reference, but it starts as more of an outline than an actual drawing

>>6793375
post current work and before

>>6778293
would it be possible to upload all of your sheets in one long clip studio file with right side blank? you could stitch them together tall wise then merge and mass erase your drawings. Template would encourage other anons to join the challenge.

Started Bridgman a few days ago, these are some from today. I'm a bit disappointed by them but anyway.

I wonder if I should be trying to build gesture and structure with these pictures like I learned from other books or if I just should be trying to copy them more accurately.

Also, any tips for a small screenless tablet? Its hard to have the coordination I have with a physical sketchbook.

>>6795345
>I wonder if I should be trying to build gesture and structure with these pictures like I learned from other books or if I just should be trying to copy them more accurately.
Build them as if you were drawing from imagination, use your accuracy skills to check your work. You need to brush up on your plumb lines.

>>6795373
Thanks anon, I definitely didnt check the accuracy enough. I'm not sure what you mean by plumb lines, I know what they are but not exactly what you are referring to.

>>6793257
I don't know if I'm the right "subject of measure" to answer that. I don't think I'm much of a beginner to actually feel a noticeable improvement. I just copied this without thinking much. Or whit out thinking at all, lol. To me is like "copying files with the same name in the same folder", you know? and I just clicked "Copy the same files anyway"

I did feel the forearm part, those bones (radius-ulna). I could tell my mind thought about those. I usually don't draw bones, and there are several forearm schematics in that book. Those forearm drawings attacked my brain and did something. I can tell a "learning process" got unlocked there, but I need to go back there while that brain meat is still warm and tender. And do more of those to end that process.

I think a real improvement will suddenly appear with time more ahead. The human brain is a real "quantum psychics" sort of device, you don't know how, when or why it works, but it works, kek

>>6795345
Nice work anon! Don't worry too much. Those drawings you did there, are perfectly fine, that's what Bridgman's look like.
I believe the whole point of this exercise is about grinding, is about fooling your mind into doing this like it is a "fun thing to do". And just do it, go through it and let your brain absorb the process, the shapes, the forms, the figures, don't over think it, just let it happen. It has to become an habit, and habits are complex processes inside us. We don't have to "know everything". I don't know how the brain does it, all I know is that if I draw something enough times, the brain can learn it by memory. And that's it. Now you just have to do the boring task of feeding the brain those shapes and figures.

Maybe that's why some people choose Bridgman to grind, because there's something else there, there's controversy around it, there is a story behind it, it has some "meme" level of branding on it. ALL OF THAT works as an spiritual fuel. In a metaphysical way you know, unconsciously, you built an inner believe that there's something interesting there, something all the others are "getting". In the end, is all an esoteric mind game to create something interesting to grind till the end. Because that's the way we learn, by repetition, and that's not pleasant most of the time. So we have to construct this mind tricks, to infuse of "power" a simple tool for learning.

>>6793438
I don't know about that. I'm using Krita. I've never tried ClipStudio. Anyway I wouldn't know how to upload a big file like that and share it here with out using another file sharing site, wich I don't want to do. You have the 103 sheets in this two threads. The book says there are a thousand Bridgman drawings in there. I didn't count them, but I cropped and put them ALL in those pages, (even the duplicated ones, I guess that's how there's "1000" drawings lol) So I guess ALL of Bridgman's drawings ever, are here.
You can download them and used them as you want, believe me the hardest thing was to crop the drawings and put those sheets together.
I ain't do it this again lol. I'm using pen and paper again.

Sheet N°103. 100% DONE. Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life - Over 1000 Anatomical Drawings.

Heh, I did it, it was quite a drag. Next time I'm doing it with pencil and paper. That's waaay more efficient and fast. Good luck to all the other Bridgadiers Bros out there, never give up, everything is doable, Just keep at it and have fun!

>>6795689
Shit I forgot the picture lol!
Anyway here I answered to other anon what did I "gained" from it
>>6795567

Ok now, it is Done. 100%

>>6795694
Congrats man

>>6795694
well done and gmi

the most impressive thing imo is how OP managed to make clear lines out of the fucking mess that those ugly ass bridgeman scribbles are which is why I'm sticking to morpho

>>6795879
How can you think the Bridgman sketches are ugly?

Another positive thing about Bridgman, he focuses on the male figure. So that's quite a change for the majority of us who started this thing just to draw hot women lol. And we focus mostly on that all of the time. Doing this is important to break out of that artistic limitation.
>>6795839
Thanks fren!
>>6795844
Appreciated bud!
>>6795879
Thanks! But, If all learning books would be the same, doing these exercises would be boring though.

Finch recommends Bridgman essentially once you're comfortable with Drawing The Marvel Way. From reading these threads it's not really obvious, but how familiar with the process of drawing accurately do you need to be, before you extract value from copying Bridgman? Certainly there's learning by osmosis if you sit and meticulously copy each form, but are you not enhanced by having context in which to discern and place the techniques? How good were you before you started, basically?

>>6796673
I would honestly give it 6 months to a year. Spend time drawing basic shapes, and drawing your anatomy. Draw stuff other than human beings. i recommend the Feng Zhu videos to start with. You can use the fundamentals in the Marvel Way book to guide you through sketching the world

Feng Zhu sketch studies:
Sketching 101: https://youtu.be/22XYoenU-0c
Just Draw!: https://youtu.be/WLqWX7onVmU

Here are the ones from today, tried measuring more and spent more time building the construction, perhaps I spent to much time on them.

Now that I've been going through a few more figures I'm noticing how even if some drawings are messy, they still manage to show off basic construction figures with a few marks. it's something I wouldn't be able to notice hadn't I went through other books before.

>>6795624
Thanks anon. Your words were very encouraging, they reminded me of when I went through the first morpho book in february. At the time I was even more beg but just focused on the fun of drawing all the figures there and it was a good time. Cant wait to get to the fabric part, I love how those look, and congrats on finishing it by the way.

>>6787537
Wait, is that the progress you made in a few months or the progress you made in a year-ish?

>>6795689
>>6795694
Congratulations anon! Inspiring!

>>6797982
Year-ish LOL i wish it was a few months

Some from today. I'm really liking this balance and rhythm section.

>>6798172
Thank Christ!

At first I thought you were listing the day after the month and I was seriously starting to ask myself where the fuck I was going wrong, xD.

Whelp, time to re-open my Bridgemen book and get at it. Btw what kind of pen were you using in that last one? I feel like half the struggle is trying to figure out a pen or settings that feels 'right'

starting today.

>>6795689
Congratulations on crossing that bridg! I've been doing it on my own too since seeing the other thread, just as a filler in between my /dad/ stuff, curently on pages 40-50.

>>6799070
Good news, it's literally just a 2px soft round brush.

The memory pass is real difficult. Only did the first couple pages and probably drew each drawing like 8 times.

Guys, do you copy while creating a structure or just outlines?
If it's just outlines I doubt it would yield much.

>>6800068
The goal is to understand the forms the drawings are implying. In a way that’s creating a structure, but yes, if you’re not doing that and instead you’re just copying lines, of course you’re going to get nothing out of it.

I don’t know if you’re supposed to be doing the same drawing multiple times if you fuck up during the second pass, but I’ve been doing that. Started off having to draw each drawing 5-8 times. After a few days, it’s down to 1-3

>>6778288
Let's copy this mf twice!!!

>>6801603
I need to do muh Loomis next.
>>6797497
Thanks anon! Good luck on your journey. Don't worry is you suddenly run out of juice, that happens all the time, it's a natural thing the body does. Just take a rest and it will come back to you stronger. Have fun!
>>6798142
Hey thank you much anon!
>>6798831
Nice Bridgman's anon. Crazy how now I can recognize those silhouettes immediately as Bridgman's.
>>6799111
Based pen chad
>>6799148
Thanks anon, those sketches of yours look amazing.
>>6800068
>>6801600
I think that when copying, anything goes. It depends on your level, and goals. If you are super ultra Beg, and just tracing the whole thing is what it takes, just do it. If you are in a beg level that allows you to copy something but not accurately much, then you could do some basic construction, like some anon advised in the earlier thread, do some delimitation lines up, bottom, sides, work in a grid, or build your own simple grid systems. The final goal is to add drawing mileage, just psych yourself up into drawing a lot. That's all it is.

>>6778293
>>6778300
>>6778328
>>6778361
Your stuff isn't bad at all. You seem to have a good grasp of perspective, proportions, anatomy, etc. However the digital tooly osu are using are probably the crappiest thing ever.
Add some weight to your lines instead of using this 1 single width strokes all the time.
This makes all that you draw very stiff and sterile.
Keep it up though, you are an inspiration for the board.

>>6801784
Thanks bud! I don't have much use at all for the sensitivity function. Picrel in example, I do all that with a round flat brush (same one I used here), and flat color rendering. So, I do make an use of this style. It is easy, fast, and effective. By the way that's a little project I want to post in /f/. It's going to be pretty simple so I hope to get it done soon.

Muscle doll getting made.

>>6802579
>No xray version

>>6801846
This looks nice. Your line art definitely goes much better with colors and rendering. GG.

>>6801600
Yeah, I think I wasn’t meant to continue redrawing the drawings, but it’s done nothing but help. Going to keep doing it this way. At page 30 and a lot of the anatomy is getting internalized. Especially the obliques, which I have always struggled with.

>>6778288

No idea what I'm doing but I've started my Bridgmen journey bro's!

So I read from an art sticky to more or less ignore most of the writing (in drawing from life) and just copy the pictures while paying attention to what I'm copying and why. Literally started with the first pictures in the book but is there a place that I should start? I've noticed he dives in to the body as a whole before going over the intricacies of the individual parts and this seems a little counter intuitive.

>>6805144
Wow, amazing work anon. You have a distinctive style. The goal is to draw, at your own pace and artistic level. Only repetition makes a master.
>>6804529
Nice hands, that's great how you can imitate Bridgman's style like that.

>>6805157
Hey thanks anon. I think I might skip to where he breaks down the individual parts of the body and then go back and tackle the first chunk of the book.

I have a 'workable' understanding of the shoulder and arms but legs are still something I'm guessing at more often than I should be.

Just looking at these now and boy I need to zoom out more and pay more attention to proportions. Legs on the bottom row are looking a little stocky but that could just be because I couldn't pull off the foreshortening.

>>6805144
I think it doesn't really matters and that would be OK to skip this broken into shapes stuff in the beginning, but I have copied allat

>>6805178
Nice. Ngl that skele was pretty intimidating but I'll definitely go back to it.

>that sketch pad

Have you been posting in the OC threads?

>>6805197
>Have you been posting in the OC threads?
No

>>6805172
I’d say it’s worth doing the full body drawings at the beginning. Sure you get a vague idea of the shapes and how everything pieces together, but it also forces you to practice proportion, which will be very important when you start getting into the little details.

Is the archive org version of Bridgman's what everybody's using?

>>6795689

Congratulations anon. Next time you attempt it, while copying, try to analyze what Bridgman is trying to convey in his drawings. You don't have to copy his marks one to one, but dig deeper into what he's communicating about the subject with those marks. Consolidate what you already know with the drawings so that you can elaborate and find your own ideas about how the figure should be idealized. Although it may take a bit longer, explore different drawing concepts/fundamentals (such as rhythm, form or shape design even) in the drawing if you can.

"This is the story of the blocked human form where the bending, twisting or turning of volume gives the sensation of movement held together by rhythm. The different stages are arranged in their sequence from “How to Draw the Figure” to the “Balance of Light and Shade.” Its purpose is to awaken the sense of research and analysis of the structure hidden beneath. It is hoped that the ideas conveyed in the drawing and text of this book may enable the reader to carry on to independent and better ideas." - page 11 of the Bridgman complete guide to drawing from life

>>6805514
Probably, it overlaps with a lot of the other materials. Although I checked some other books and there were drawings from constructive anatomy that I didn't recognize. It was really only about 5 or so drawings tho. Both constructive and complete life drawing share a large portion of drawings.

>>6805144
This is good work overall Anon, and I really love how you’re incorporating some of your own flair into the mix, but as for some crit

I feel like your incorporation of style is benefiting you sometimes, hurting you in others. I think the top left looks great and it’s good that you went above and beyond. However, there’s a lot of important anatomy you’re missing because of this. The second from the top for example, the torso structure is present but there’s no distinct shape to the rib cage and torso. You do this with the knees as well, drawing a knee shape that shows the knee presence but does a poor job of showing how the knee interlocks into the lower leg. You also drew both hands quite lazily

It’s also hurting you on the top right drawing. I understand you’re not trying to just copy Bridgman exactly as is, but he does what he does for a reason. He draw the knees as square yet you drew them more circular. I also think your style kind of contradicts what Bridgman is getting at, since it’s so rounded. There’s a lot of sharp edges to emphasize perspective in bridgmans art and that might be a conflict down the way as you copy him more

Lastly, when doing proportions, make sure the heads are even above all else.

>>6806258
Also, honestly, the top left one is hurting you too. Imo, you don’t need to go above and beyond the way you did, because there’s value in drawing things simplistically

As for why he starts with the body as a whole, I’d say because you need to learn how the body moves as a whole before understanding details such as how the feet work and what not. If you draw an unbalanced, disproportionate figure with good anatomy it’ll look less recognizable as opposed to drawing one with proper body movement and less detailed anatomy. Once again going back to why why Bridgman uses less/more detail in some drawings

Got to page 40 in my second pass. Still redrawing some of the drawings with odd angles a couple of times. What’s been helping me is taking notes on my mistakes and drawing arrows to them. I still cover up the drawing I just did as well as the book drawing, and do it from memory again until I get close. Doodling figures from my imagination is also becoming more feasible. The specific anatomy can still fuck me, but that’s what copying the whole book twice is for.

>>6806657
Good!!! Keep going!!

Slowly marching through the memory pass. Still needing to draw the same drawing multiple times in some cases.

>>6799148
Solid studies! A bit of an off-topic /beg/ tier question but what brush and software do you use? There's a good variance in the line thickness and opacity but I can't tell if it's flow or opacity.

It really reminds me of one of my favorite artist's linework. I know it's pretty looked down upon to ask these kinds of questions but I couldn't help but take a shot in the hopes that I could get closer to emulating or study their brush work.

Obligatory bad first attempt at Bridgman.

>>6810373
Word of advice - do these in pencil and paper. For your own sake.

Close to done. Made the arms more brigmen. I wanna do the silhouette to drawing method for practice of the form. Ngl, even in the sketch phase, I take some time to do the lines. Got a timer called wnr; basically pomodoro timer for desktop. Gonna use it, especially since new job is coming up.

>>6810729
Here’s a more clarifying example of the silhouette method. https://youtu.be/__cGhu-9BsY?si=-JwbCn37fC0gqc9m

>>6801846
booba.. blog ?

>>6810373
I use SAI2, my brush is just the out of the box Pencil brush with the "Blots & Noise" tip, 50% messiness and minimum size to 20%-30%.
I just really like pencils/ballpoint pen looking brushes. picrel p62-65

>>6795694
Inspiring, good job. Can’t wait to see your imagination run

>>6810737
It's done. You can check it here >>>/f/3498486

Do /ic/ and /f/ count as a blog?

>>6811232
Thanks anon! I just did a quick H-flash game just for fun here >>>/f/3498486 . I do other stuff too, but when in 4chan I do 4chan-tier level stuff LOL. I hope you don't despise me now xD

>>6795694
What a G you're awesome Anon. How long did it take you? How much time did you spend on 1 page?

>>6812839
Hi, thanks anon. I think I'd answer that in the previous thread, if I remember right 15-20min doing an sketching drawing much like the actual pictures, and another 20 min doing that lineart.

It depends on the drawings actually. There are some drawings that are really hard to decipher, and you could be stuck for quite a while trying to figure out how to approach some of those schematics.

>>6812782
wow that was kino. takes me back.

>>6812782
why do good artists not have blogs I dont get it..

Original anon (if you're still here) do you have a folder of all the left side references? I'd love to be able to use your original copies that only have the drawings but the archives already deleted the fucking pictures before I could download them.

>>6810923
>Sai2
>fuuuuck
Thanks for the brush! I never thought someone would out right explain it so I'm thankful.

>>6810685
Why? Looks like a majority of the ones here are digital and it's way more convenient that way.

>>6813043
Ok anon, I managed to compile the 52 pages (left sides) from the previous thread in 7 big images. I hope the site allow me to upload this big pics. I'm doing it because it was such a pain in the ass to do that, that I don't want it to go to waste. I hope that you can collect the ones already in this thread.
Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic 3

Pic 4

Pic 5

Pic 6

Pic 7

Ok the first 56 left side pages are in those 7 pics. sorry for the bad quality but the original pdf that I used is shit. Good luck!

>>6813005
Thank you! What games did it reminded you?
>>6813012
Personally I like flash, but flash is dead, so that's a big problem lol. I like how /f/ works here, it could be better, but is good enough.
Maybe newgrounds, but I don't know, that seems like overkill for what I do. I don't like social accounts anyways.

>>6813043
>Looks like a majority of the ones here are digital and it's way more convenient that way.
OP was outright constantly regretting doing these digitally. You're doing studies not finished polished pieces.

>>6813246
But if study isn't accurate at all, how are you supposed to learn from doing it?

>>6813330
you don't need digital to do accurate studies
after all, the book is in pencil/pen

>>6813222
meet n fuck flash games I guess

I don't have time for this. Maybe If I discovered bridgeman when I was a teen, but it's too late now to start over.

>>6814707
come on anon, drawing is not hard, is not like training to be an sculptor or trying to learn some asian language. It can be learnt relatively fast. The issue is, why do you want to draw? Is there any personal thing do you want to get from that 'skill'?
Me I just wanted to re-enact some things from the past, like flash games or visual novels that are dead now and I want more of that, to me, that is priceless. Is not a "career" or a "trophy" to put on shelve (that's ok anyway, if that's your goal)

Like yesterday I did this animation flash for a random anon in beg general >>>/f/3498531
I did it in one sit, must be the fastest shit I've done. I did it because is fun, it's there for the taking. And that shit can not be done with AI (vector interactive games/media). I couldn't do that earlier this year, I started to interact with the board mid-year and that motivated me to practice and learn this stuff. Now I have it, and I can go happy. I'm sure that if you lurk here is because you have the same inner wishes and dreams. Something must be there to create just for you, that you want to do just for you.

Did this come into existence because of that one story of how Frank Frazetta copied the book one time to learn about anatomy, you do realize he is Frazetta and all this grinding won't help you right.

Ok I will start with the first run, wish me luck.

Also this is a little tool I made if someone is out and doesnt have quick access to the book, its random in the future I will make something more like a bridgman run any%

https://idlecanvas-wagmi.web.app/?mode=bridgman

>>6814707
>Maybe If I discovered bridgeman when I was a teen, but it's too late now to start over.
lmao, how old are you? I copied Perspective Made Easy and Loomis (FWAP & FDFAIW) in my late 30s. I'm in my 40s now and starting this challenge.
lol kids these days.

>>6815040
Frank also lied about using references

first few pages, doing this after watching Marshall's bootcamp makes everything more digestible.

>>6815040
pyw

first 21 pages done only 328 left, I'm not happy with this one, but this one is for tomorrow.

>>6817619
>after watching Marshall's bootcamp
Wait you watch the whole thing first? Oh… hm. I’mma do that too.

>>6819281
At least 8 out of 12, sessions 4 to 7 are the best, I keep coming back to them. I think Marshall does a great job of explaining the figures and how to look at them correctly, e.g. some bones and muscles that to the untrained eye (like mine) just look like random lines. Also tons of additional information and assets, this is a real university lecture.

>>6819864
Where'd you find it?

>>6820458
OP post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPi92DnMis&list=PLf3dvAURflO-mJ-fbhWMBxs1pwX7zuhik

I've fallen behind on my bettering my line confidence and proportions, so I feel like hopping onto this. So far it's pretty fun.

>>6781642
the irony of that statement is the whole typical calculus sequence (differential to multivariable) involves a fair bit of doing
you can't do calculus without a fair bit of algebraic manipulation and a lot of that comes with rote practice

So what are your thoughts so far? Is it worth the effort?

>>6823537
So far I'm still having some difficulty memorizing the construction methods but I'm noticing an improvement in my lines and getting proportions more accurate. I think it's been worth it.

>>6823747
>So far I'm still having some difficulty memorizing the construction methods
This happens in the 2nd pass, when you do the whole book, memory drawing style

Copy bridgeman twice is so obviously a product of intellectual laziness.
People are always desperate for some neat, easily explained and executed idea that they think is the secret trick to getting good at something.

Copying Bridgeman twice will make you better, because it involves actually drawing figures, and thus must increase your ability to draw figures.
But you would get better results if you instead grinded life drawings and references a few books on artistic anatomy (because medical anatomy is irrelevant, all that skeletal and Muscular structure is completely irrelevant to how human bodies actually look. Only in certain poses do certain underlying structural details show through the skin enough to be worth depicting) as well as integrating knowledge from multiple figure drawing approaches.

Sometimes under certain conditions, a body will look like a bridegman figure, sometimes it will look like a vipplu figure.
More importantly, you as the artist should be comfortable picking and choosing how you want the body to appear to fit a certain context and purpose.

So it makes no sense to grind bridgeman specifically, as if his book somehow contains the "correct" way to draw or think about figures.


Figure drawing is about learning what the parts of the human body relevant to its outward appearance are,
Internalizing a sense of their proportions, orientations and articulations
And learning what kind of forms, from complex to simple, satisfyingly convey the shapes of these parts in various poses.

You would probably learn more from drawing a bridgeman figure, and then forcing yourself to translate it into a vipplu figure, then into an anime figure.

That way you're actually engaged in reasoning about what each part of the figure is and how to represent it in a consistent style, rather than just copying shapes visually from a book, and then copying them again from memory

Like I said copying bridgeman DOES work. But man is it a retarded way to learn.

>>6824018
pyw

>>6824020
seems like this thread is about posting Bridgemans work so it would be off topic

>>6824018
>You would probably learn more from drawing a bridgeman figure, and then forcing yourself to translate it into a vipplu figure, then into an anime figure.
That’s an interesting idea

>>6824098
NTA, but not really, no. It would be used to judge what happens when someone doesn't follow the "draw bridgeman twice" meme and as such it it on topic.
I ask you as well to pyw.

>>6824132
I have no figure drawings to post. I started learning to draw 2 months ago and I'm currently grinding perspective.
Feel free to ignore my obviously logically correct advice and laugh at the no draw beg.
I'll be starting figure drawing in November. After focusing on perspective and contours this month, and values and mass drawing next month

>>6824018
>>6824159
>no draw beg
>still writes walls of text trying to help others
kek! Thanks for admitting that anon.

>obviously logically correct advice
Just because something seems logical doesn't mean it's true in practice.

>>6824018
>>6824159
you know what's really retarded? saying that you've been drawing for 2 months and having no work to show, and then having the gall to tell other people how they should learn

>>6824176
People say stupid shit on here all the time, no one bats an eye, there is bad advice from begs in every thread, no one responds to them
For some reason, when I type "bad advice from a no draw beg", people keep responding to me
Hmm, kinda weird
If it's such obviously bad advice, just ignore me like all the other bad advice you don't respond to?

>>6824176
>>6824173
>>6824243

I'm the "schitzo" anon who read a bunch of books and "thinks he's qualified to give advice" aka, telling people about the aggregate of knowledge I've pulled from various books
It's a forum for talking about art, I come here, I talk about art
Makes people extremely upset for some reason
I know what the reason is but I'll let you figure it out.
But then again, you're here copying bridgeman twice because some random blog said it once so obviously figuring things out is not your strong suit, your strong suit is following instructions
So here's some instructions, go read a book dumbass

>>6824248
And here are mine instructions, go draw already you retard.

>>6824243
>>6824248
i think /lit/ is clearly more your speed

>>6824159
NGMI

>>6778288
Can't I just train a SD model on bridgeman?

Man, I'm thoroughly dogshit at this.
2.

>>6824467
DW, youre not the only one. At least you're brave enough to PYW.

busy couple of days, but finally 4 more pages

>>6819281
this are great I cant get this type of quality in digital

>>6820912
>>6823747
Good, I find your hips a little narrow compared to the cage.

>>6824467
You are doing great, I would love to see you pushing more the tone and adding a little bit more of detail

>>6824018
> intellectual laziness
classic dunning kruger poster

>>6824843
Based work poster, GMI

Wondering if some anons can give me some advice.
I'm seriously considering taking the bridgman pill, how long do y'all think this will take, just a rough estimate? I'd say I'm advanced beg bordering on int, I mostly just want to supercharge my figure drawing at this point and wondering if this is an effective way to do it

>>6826413
Every learning exercise works. It is all about doing it. And that's hard. I understand that taking the time and effort to go through it deserves a justification.
Well, then you have to believe in it. Grab a sketchbook dedicated to Bridgman, and believe in it. Say to yourself that you will now be part of the exclusive Bridgman attelier club of people who did it. Like Frazzetta, like Finch and Lee, and now you too. You will do it, and that will be preserved in that dedicated sketchbook. It's a mind game. You need to do the grind, you have to put the work on paper, it doesn't matter if it is Bridgman, or Loomis, or Vilppu, but you can't avoid the "DOING" part. You just can't.
So psych yourself up as good as you can and swallow the pill.

>>6826438
Thank you. I must say I was apprehensive about following an /ic/ meme, what made me actually consider this was Finch recommending it. I know he's no bullshitter, quite a few of his videos have helped me.
I might just fucking do it then. What have I got to lose. Thanks anon

>>6826413
>interested in a neatly packaged idea that will "super charge" his art skills
>Thinks he's /int/ but needs to ask people on 4chan what his first figure drawing book should be
>First questions is about how fast he can complete this training so he can get back to drawing anime girls
All the fucking signs
Just fucking quit you retard, you're never gonna make it. You're dumb as bricks

>>6826449
I don't even need to say pyw to know for a fact that I draw more than you

>>6826413
Well, OP's last thread was started on Jun 15, and he finished exactly one month later >>6795689.

I can't say I work as fast as OP, or if it's doing anything, but I'm undoubtebly having fun with it. There's something weirdly soothing to me in copying it. picrel are pages 153-175

>>6781630
Sounds like you're falling into mindless copying, where you're mimicking strokes without actually thinking about what they represent.

I want to be a digital artist but is it better to do this on paper, or doesn't it matter? I don't mind which, I'm comfortable with either, I'm just wondering if anyone has a recommendation either way

>>6779113
in his dynamic figure drawing book the entire first chapter is about how detrimental it is for people to learn to copy instead of learning how to actually build the shapes and forms of a figure using their own imagination.

>>6781150
lol he wasn't even being rude and you call him an idiot. NGMI

>>6801846
God damn, she thicc in ALL the right places. Very hot character, anon

3 more pages, not happy with my rendering but at least it pushes me to practice more, jeff watts is super useful to get ideas on how to render.

>>6826413
>I'm seriously considering taking the bridgman pill, how long do y'all think this will take, just a rough estimate?
I'm doing 3 pages every 2 days, I'm slow but that's mainly because if I don't like something I try to do it twice as pushinment basically.

>>6826462
Nice work anon, I really want to be that good digitally, I guess I'll have to grind.

>>6828202
Do both; I'll start doing some digitally.
More resources to add in the next OP post:

(watts on Bridgman)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgC8j-1eOYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bRVlFGNfCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYJhbg1KYh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8jwnLaCcGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H00T8Z5n5E

(George Bridgman Study Night)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLG96VXAcX7tPeUdlkXwn4WvFjcf0cF1h-

>>6830101
Thanks anon.
Someone uploaded it to swfchan. You can
check it there, hope you like it:
swfchan.com/51/254474/?Chill+Bar.swf

>>6830292
Ooff
Thanks anon

>>6826462
Hey anon, it's pretty obvious to me that you're the most mechanically skilled person here after looking at everyone's work. Can you give any advice on what/how you practiced to get such clean looking work?

>>6830310
Thank you for the compliment, but I don't think I'm as good as you think. If you zoom in on my copies, you can see that I tend to pass the same line multiple times. The point is that I dont think you really need to have a clean linework for this exercise at all, so just go for it.

I can't really think of any insight on my line quality other than mileage, I've been using the same tablet since I started taking drawing more seriously, so familiarity with my tablet size also helps I guess. I should also point out that SAI2 feels very good to draw to me, maybe it's stabilizer is more efficient and it's acting as a crutch?

>>6830339
I think this demo may be useful, check how he accents certain lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYJhbg1KYh8

>>6830359
I'll take a look, thank you for the recommendation! My hatching really shows how green I still am and have no idea what I'm doing

>>6830371
I know the feel man, I didn't notice because the resolution was low, but on high I can totally relate, on the bright side it shows how details get lost when viewed from a distance, just like John Singer Sargent portraits.

Working my way through the book. Definitely difficult, but damn it's worth it. I've struggled a lot with proportions, and this really helps a lot.

>>6826449
You do not draw

testing waters digitally I'm not happy with this quality, any suggestions?

>>6831883
My first 10 or so were shit. Now, they are decent, and I'm only 30 or so pages in. Keep at it, anon.

ALRIGHT, IT BEGINS TODAY
Wish me luck anons

>>6831924
Good luck Bridgadier anon!

>>6780628
I know this post is a whole month old but the very first link in the OP answers this question.

>>6831883
That looks nice.

This is turning out to be a lot more enjoyable than I thought it would be