/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

Current Contests:

Kyoto internationals Creator Awards:
https://medibang.com/contest/kyoto-manga2023/

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma19-overflowing-tears-silent-manga-audition/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

I want to post a chapter of my novel here for peer review, Any recommendations on how? I could take a screen shot and put the pages into a collage but I'm not sure if that's comfortable to read.

yosh. thanks for making the thread properly!

>>6761051
>manga making general
>I want to post a novel

>>6761091
Dummy novels can include pictures.

>>6761051
>I could take a screen shot and put the pages into a collage but I'm not sure if that's comfortable to read.
Maybe export it and post a link?

>>6761096
>Dummy novels can include pictures.
Not him but yeah, doesn't make them comics though. Even including illustrations, those are typically just non-sequential illustrations. If you're blending sequential illustrations with prose then I'd say go ahead and post them, but if you're just talking about a novel with the occasional illustration then it doesn't really belong in a comicmaking thread. Because it's not a comic.

>>6761091
>>6761109
It's more like a manga then any novel since that's what inspired me to make it. If I post it on /lit/ they'll throw a fit and cry because it's not some dumb "TDEEP4U" classic written by a homosexual ancient Greek.
>>6761096
You can do an Anonymous google doc right? I'll try that out in the morning and see if you guys can open it or not.

Crap i posted when the last thread was dying, but i still need to know if the changes i did are good or not, do i post it again or just >>6760134

Making manga is harder than i thought

>>6761096
>>6761109
>>6761127
Kek I was just messing with you anon I already assumed it's probably gonna be a light novel like thing like on pixiv.

Although like the other anon said if there's some illustrations that'd be better to help us visualize the characters rather than reading a novel blindly.

>>6761175
Yeah, I plan to illustrate. I'm only posting about 6 pages though just to see if it's a good intro or not.

>>6761152
You know the joke about how guys will work out at the gym to get fit and have girls be mirin', yet the most likely course of action is other dudes at the gym being the ones to give compliments because they are also putting in the hard work and know the sacrifices involved? Thats /mmg/. I used to think I wanted to draw so normies would read it and praise it. I still do to a much smaller extent, but now I draw so other artists will read it and give me their much more valuable feedback. (And obviously for myself, but that's not important right now).

>>6761152
just make your artstyle super simple or just plain ugly, then it's easy.

>>6761041
don't even bother sending to publishers unless you have a large following.

>>6761292
This.
I've been seeing this more and more. There's this IG thot that is making some dogshit comic,but Image is publishing it because she's cute and has 100k+ followers.

>>6761383
post her

finished that first panel.
for the anon who asked, here's my socials:
>https://twitter.com/pedrogoferreira
>https://www.instagram.com/pedrogferreira_

>>6761393
I don't remember her @, but she pops up a lot.

>>6761418
Why haven't you posted this on your socials? People love WIPs.

Draft for the first 4 pages, nothing final

>>6761461

>>6761463
Would look nice if your inking skills are up to snuff

>>6761383
yeah, they don't care if the work is absolute dog shit, once you have a following to create sales. If you don't have a name out there then they're not interested.

most recent page

>>6761463
really good writing
panels 2 and 3 on the last page seem reversed, at least that's how I tried to read them

>>6761461
Hey leg is browsing a giant phone

>>6761524
looks based

>>6761524
How do I get like you.

People of /mmg/, what are some of your favorite european comics to study from for ideas or art inspos? Recently I've been heavily into The Incal and Valerian Et Laureline, both are really good despite the latter having kind of a rough start

>>6761524
This is sick! But there is too many panels on one page. There is practically two pages here. The top 5 panels and bottom 4. If you imagine these halves as 2 pages, there is anticipation. on Panel 5 that something bad is going to happen, then you go to Panel 6 and you see the result of that anticipation.
In general, this is really clean. But your use of page space ruins the storytelling,

i'm looking for resources on learning to use screentones, who's good to read or listen to and who is full of shit

>>6761650
>who is good to listen to
anyone who does it for a living
>who is full of shit
/ic/

>>6761650
You mean the concept of using screentones generally to communicate light values, or the PHYSICAL act of cutting and applying screentones? Cos those are two very different things.

>>6761819
the former, i do digital

>>6761822
Oh, well that's way easier. Literally just look up your personal favorite manga, or any of several famous mangas and see how the artists did their stuff, simple as that. Keep in mind that just like anything else, there's no one right way to apply screentones. Where and when do you do it, as opposed to just simple line hatching? The OG DragonBall is different from Otoyomegatari is different from Blame! is different from Goblin Slayer.

Here's the link to the chapter I was talking about for peer Review.
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/15tvWoH6QhvjylUkQZcr_5U7QxkiZ90llpTf_dRqg1So/edit?usp=sharing
Pic is a quick illustration page.
Sorry if there's typos and grammar errors I might have missed with trying to edit. This is an introduction chapter to the protagonist and some of the supporting cast, Chapter one followed a different person.

>google"x" anime faces to look for references
>⅓of the results are ai
For fucks sake why gogogle can add a filter

>>6762141
>googling references
>not referencing your own copies of your favorite mangos
it's owari desu senpai

>>6761856
Anon, your naming scheme seems a bit..... all over the place to put it nicely. Different regions have different naming schemes, yes, but I'm getting some serious whiplash.

>>6762250
Can you be more specific please? Is it the names being so different geographically?

>>6762252
Yeah. Feels like I'm playing a game of Civ, lol

>>6762257
Ah gotcha, There each supposed to be from a different country. If I was to put them somewhere in real life.
Julius is German
Kanashi is a mutt of middle eastern and European.
Jin is French.
Cal-Li is Chinese.
Hayai is Japanese.
Stephen is Jewish American and El-Saber is Portuguese.
I forgot to draw Pompeii there but he's Greek.

>>6761037
revising a action scene for the chapter 4 of my comic. I feel that I needed to show more of the figure, and to have more distance difference between foreground and background figure in the second panel.

>>6762528
lookin good

>>6762261
>El-Saber is Portuguese.
>Portuguese character has a Spanish name
read a book bro

>>6761856
Hopefully you're a bit more ambitious with your actual pages. This is honestly boring as fuck to introduce a bunch of characters like this. Its clear from what you regularly post that you're really only comfortable posting these flat, stock-standard front facing shots, but none of these guys look interesting. They all have the same face shape, and all have the same hair shape other that the cartoonish afro guy, and they all borderline look like they have the same facial expression.

Push yourself further to give them some actual character.

>>6762528
I prefer panel 1 of example two with panel 2 of example 1.

the character rolls in the right direction, also the follow through of the titan looking guys grab.

Anyone know the font used here?

>>6761560
>>6761582
thanks

>>6761617
thanks for the feedback. You're right about considering the use of anticipation, sometimes I do that.

>>6761037
I keep trying to focus on one manga but all these ideas for different stories and characters come up and I get distracted

>>6762910
Use a font identifier site. They're free.

Eight more pages then I'm free.

>>6763085
do u have a place where u upload ur comic? i've been seeing your characters around just curious to see

>>6763146
Tapas link to Ch. 1 and 2: https://tapas.io/series/aecast

Here you go anon, that's the first two chapters. If you have any thoughts or suggestions, I'm always all ears. Gotta keep learning and improving.

>>6762892
I thought about doing something like this for the actual page. I think my biggest fear is my anatomy being wonky so I try to avoid drawing complex shots.

>>6762528
Idk if this is just my own personal preference, because I've never seen any one else complain about this, but I really don't like it when manga/comics break the 180 rule. It can really make the action confusing and cluttered when characters are constantly switching which side of the page or panel they're on. So while I like you're second draft more, I think you should flip it so the side the characters are on stays consistent.

>>6763167
I wish I could draw like you

>>6761856
I think you've got to stop relying on the symmetry tool, it gives your drawings this uncanny feeling to them.

>>6763354
So what is he supposed to do, make them not symmetrical? Asking because I'm curious.

>>6763443
You can have a symmetrical drawing without relying on the symmetry tool. The same way you can draw a straight line without having to rely on a ruler. Sure he might struggle keeping his drawings symmetrical, but instead of using a tool as a crutch, it's better to learn to do it on his own.

What is your guys opnions on prologue narrated introductions in mangas?
Trying to come up with a good way to start a one shot but not sure how to lay the world building foundations neatly

>>6763462
This is a great question. I'm also curious about this

Took a break from writing and doodled some thumbnails

>>6763462
From what I've seen I think the less exposition the better. It sounds counter intuitive, but if you go and read a lot of popular first chapters of manga and one shots they sort of just throw the reader into the world (At least the good ones do).

>>6763499
Only the older ones, the newest ones have to tell you what the world is about immediately

>>6763502
newer*

>>6763502
I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm just going to have to outright disagree with that sentiment. None of the recent stuff I've read does that either.

>>6763509
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/manga_list/hot

Out of the top 13 only 4 just drop you into the world. Of those 4 only 2 are recent creations.

>>6763350
Lol, would you believe me if I said about 4 years ago I couldn't really go past stick figures? What finally got me over the hump (in my opinion) was doing fundie exercises and copying difficult panels from detailed mangas. If I can do it so can you, anon.

>>6763521
What do you consider to be exposition, because there's a difference between how Black Clover and Kaiju no 8 start and how My Hero Academia starts

>>6762963
Tried them, no luck. I've isolated the letters but still couldn't find an exact match.

>>6763546
Damn, then I'm out of ideas as well. Sorry, anon.

>>6761524
>that godly flattop
i'm already rooting for him

>>6763546
Found it!
It's called Levi Brush. Some of the here is rotated, so font identifiers can struggle with finding it.

>>6763462
I'm more of a cold opening kind of guy

Stupid question but how long should a one shot for MPC be? I've seen everything from 25 to 100 pages.

The thing I'm working on is in very early rough draft stages right now but its around 75 pages. I'm hoping to trim it down to 60 but I'd be using this as more of an appeal/creation process test since the last thing I made was a webtoon.

Its a relatively open ended one shot that has a complete story within a very small slice of the universe without a lot of exposition that could be used as a launching off point if need be.

>>6763771
As long as you need, there's no limit.

>>6763725
Thanks anon

I can no longer avoid having to learn how to draw buildings and interiors and tables and all that boring shit... fuck!!!

>>6763805
It's a skill in and of itself. I used to hate it, but now it's actually really relaxing and therapeutic. Really sells that whole "your characters are actually there" feel and allows you to take a break from stressing over drawing characters.

>>6763811
should I just use the straight line tool?

>>6763823
Do whatever you gotta do but if you're even asking this question then the answer is probably no. CSP has rulers, use those just like you'd use a physical ruler.

I did the first chapter of my comic right to left because I was planning to use in a jap contest but I changed my mind. Should I change it for left to right in chapter 2? I think it's kinda cringe doing an oriental way of reading in a western comic.

>>6763906
Changing the reading order would be disorientating. If you're making this so people will actually read it, stick with your guns.

It's insane to me how good Yoshikazu is, despite how he makes everything seem simple.

He refs his poses from 3D and doll photos, it looks easy until you try to make it look good.
His main brush is a basic-ass Tech Pen with a bit of random size jitter but he makes the line weights and linework look so freaking good
Most impressive of all is honestly his backgrounds, they look consistently good all the freaking time. He uses models but it looks leagues better than any other artist I've seen

And he does it all, by himself, with no assistants, on what he claims is an 8hr workday. Fucking insane

>>6763823
As >>6763830 is saying, I frankly wouldn't. Using those creates an end product that never looks right and comes off as sterile at best. Whenever I draw its a combo of using some rulers and also freehanding some details.

>>6763906
just flip the art/layout around for the first chapter to western layout, yes it is cringe

>>6763906
Yeah man flip it.
Personally I believe everyone here has a much better chance of trying to court a local audience rather than dreaming of making it in Japan, they don't want foreigners or their creations. By bending to Japanese-exclusive quirks you're hurting any potential you have for success at home for a near-zero chance of success in another country

>>6764268
I would extend this also to the use of Japanese SFX/sound lettering as well. Unless you can dead-eye fool EVERYONE that it is a real manga, it only comes off as weeb. Keep in kind I am not saying use english SFX either, those come off as too gonzo/Adam West Batman for me as well.

>>6761582
>>6762923

Nooo it was a compliment and a genuine question
I like your drawings a lot

>>6762141
Add -ai to your search

>>6764265
>>6764268
yeah I realized I will never gonna make it to japan and even that shueisha website is a clickbait so I'm fine doing work for anons to read

>>6763496
Working on thumbnails is restoring my will to actually start this project

Looking at old stuff and critiquing myself before starting a new one. This one is several years back

>>6764980
You may need to go to another search engine altogether. Google has for years now made it very hard for your advanced boolean search entries to matter much anymore, opting instead via its search algorithm to show you instead the results IT thinks you "actually" want.

>>6765177
reminds me of tintin

>>6765192
Composition is quite good.

>>6765192
I agree with >>6765298
strong compositions. My only critique is that the 2nd panel feels like filler. It could've been something like an eye shot to show his anger but it's a weird bird's eye view. The last panel is pointless, you could have it end with the exterior shot and the Bam!. In general, this is really good though. Keep it up, anon!

>>6765192
Not much neg to say. Body language is great, only nitpick I can see is the shadow in the 2nd panel doesn't change from the floor to the counter

>>6763462
I'm doing a visual only prologue. It still tells a story, but it's very risqué so I don't think I need dialogue

>>6765356
I actually disagree here, panel 2 sets the distance between the gunman and the cashier which lets the viewer get a sense of the scale and timing of the threat. Or at least that is my impression after watching all of those robbery footage videos. If that was already done in the previous page then maybe it's not needed.

How do you draw legs at a 3/4th view?

Rough draft

>>6765920
Dave Filoni? Is that you? What are you fucking around /ic/ for?

>>6765177
>>6763496
Really great.

>>6765392
I can understand the camera perspective idea actually, if it was framed as such, it'd give it way more tension.

>>6763462
You write a draft of the story first. Create the designs after wards then do draft of the whole one shot. Don't do per page finish in steps of the entire thing. That's my take on it.

Manga making people
Do you guys use monochromatic or no anti-aliasing when you draw?

>>6766215
Can you explain in more detail? I've frankly never thought about anti-aliasing once (either way) when drawing my manga.

>>6766215
I use monochrome because I"m emulating manga, but if you're doing color / western style stuff, no need to worry about that. You could even draw the entire thing in a pencil / chalk brush

Finished this one >>6761418 up. I'm going to do another page I've got planned. This "style" is super laborious to do many pages.
I'm not super happy with it, but I was able to focus on doing decent compositions, in which I think I succeeded. But I failed in drawing fluid figures, that read easily. Drawing characters in perspective is incredibly hard,but making them dynamic in perspective is even harder. Just have to study more.
Ultimately, I wanted this page to read clearly, and I'm not sure it does that. The value separation could be better. Onwards to page 2 lol


>>6761042
had no idea about these, thanks for sharing.
>>6761436
>Why haven't you posted this on your socials? People love WIPs.
I've heard from pro's not to post Wips and to keep your portfolio clean. I personally don't care much for other artists Wip's. But I like sketches.


>>6765192
this is very decent man, just need to brush up the ol' anatomy, specially the heads. The composition and storytelling is really great.

>>6766332
do you can on using screentone? It could help a lot with balancing the image. Like this example I did.

>>6766332
Anon, you draw like this and yet on your socials your other drawings seem "ok" at best. Is there some kind of timegap I'm missing? Did you get access to a DBZ time chamber and you actually grinded Loomis for over 9000 hours? Your finished page looks great.

>5 pages in 7 days

>>6766349
the goal here was to use only ink(cross hatching) traditionally. Nothing more. I do agree with you. I could add screen tones digitally but out of principle, I don't want to. Also, adding screentones would make this look more "manga-ish" and my goal was for it to look like a 19th century drawing.

>>6766385
thanks man! The work I've been posting on my socials is also very recent. Prior to restarting this account, I had been working on coomer stuff, and I did a 20page doujinshi. (No I won't share it here)
>you actually grinded Loomis for over 9000 hours?
in the last months, I bought Loomis, Gurney and Bridgman books and I've been grinding away daily, yes.

>>6766433
>>5 pages in 7 days
that's nothing ,look at picrel. Crazy workflow.

>>6766459
>in the last months, I bought Loomis, Gurney and Bridgman books and I've been grinding away daily, yes.
Unbelievably based and GMI-pilled.

>>6766459
The point is that it's slow paced.
It took me a fucking week

>>6765069
I read almost exclusively manga as a western fan so I think it's fine to keep the reading style in a familiar format. It's annoying to re-orientate myself with different series, enough so that I'd be less interested in reading "seriously" meaning I'll skim. Whatever the case, it's good that you're making this decision early.

I find that I have a hard time parsing if most anons' comics should be right to left OR left to right, their paneling makes it very unclear which direction it is supposed to be following and is equally disjointed in either.

Something to be aware of when doing page layouts.

>>6766649
I agree with you. It's important to realize that paneling/composition is just as important a skill as any other regular fundamental for us, because we aren't solely drawing animu grill #39482 floating in a meaningless void. Helping the reader along with a clear panel "roadmap" is paramount.

>>6766332
Love the guy with the medieval spray

>>6766697
I imagine it's almost like spraying a cat with water. "Bad eldritch! Bad!"

I will be the first foreigner to be published in Jump Plus.

working on chapter 2. Scenarios are not my strongest point, but overall, I'm satisfied.

I published on INKR a few years ago, it was basically Webtoon+Kodansha, published 11 episodes +2 specials, but ended up putting it on hiatus due no money, I did get some money off commissions though. Anyone'd like to read it? I'm planning on redrawing the first three episodes and making small changes here and there in the subsequent ones because some pages scream QUALITY™. There's also episode 12 already sketched, that just needs inking. Think of this as some sort of latino cyberpunk story, but closer to Eden:iT's an Endless World instead of the Cyberpunk game or the anime. Would like some critiques regarding the chara designs, weapons and stuff if possible...
>https://comics.inkr.com/title/331

>>6761596
I draw cyberpunk, and funnily enough is not Moebius, it's Enki Bilal

>>6765425
Didn't you practice your rotations? You didn't skip fundies before trying to draw comics did you?

>>6761596
https://english.bouletcorp.com/2012/02/01/darkness/

>>6767113
>need to log in to read
lol

>>6761524
disgusting, your westoid is showing

>>6767484
You're gonna be in the minority here, anon. Clear lines and clear figures are generally appreciated. Just be glad it's not more capeshit.

>>6767339
Oh yes, I forgot that. That blows ngl. It's more or less for explicit material and whatnot. I have it on Globalcomix but same deal.
>>6767508
This needs a bit more of ink blocks and it'd look even more badass

>>6767484
It looks better than 99% of the shit posted here Pablo.

>>6767061
Where are you publishing it? I'm interested

>>6767113
Read a couple of episodes, it shows some promise, but the designs in the designs need some work, I like the fact that you used tracks instead of chapters as naming conventions

>>6767484
Fuck off, permabeg crab

>>6767779
Here:
https://m.tapas.io/episode/2902377

>>6763496
>>6765177
looks interesting
keep up the good work

Need ink wash advice, using the same ink for lineart and wash causes a lot of bleed on heavier lines. It's just cheap non-waterproof india ink on construction paper, lines are dry before wash. Is there a way to prevent this?

>>6767864
https://thepostmansknock.com/calligraphy-ink-is-bleeding/

Roughly similar.

>>6767870
My lines aren't bleeding on their own, just when I do the ink wash.
Tried again, but this sheet isn't doing it, even with really heavy lines, fucking dunno

>>6767894
You may want better ink and paper then.

>>6768015
That's a fair assessment, I might be using the cheapest paper and ink known to man.

Has any foreigner won the gold award yet?

What Visa do I need to be able to go over to Japan to work as a waiter while I pitch manga series to editors? Once I land a series, will I be able to switch my visa to an artist visa? Will my publisher go out of my way to get me a visa to stay in Japan?

Why is this so impossible?

>>6761037
I was just directed here from

>>>/co/138567969

Looking forward to sharing my work with you all.

>>6768379
lol

>>6761514
tf is the point then if you have your own audience to sell to

>>6768450
Why were you kicked out from /co/? Was it too "Japanese" looking? If so, that's hilarious since I also upload new chapters to /aco/ and they never have an issue.

>>6764088
Yup. Been watching him for 6 years now. Wouldn't want to copy his style, but his quality of work is something to strive for

https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/%C3%A4lien/list?title_no=879438

continuing to draw my autobiographical comic

trying to draw bw with hatching instead of my previous methods. thoughts?

>>6769157
>>6769157

my previous method

>>6769157
>>6769160
Anon, I'm going to be real with you. You should strive for practicing your fundies WHILE you also draw your comic. And I don't mean solely focusing on torsos, heads, etc although that comes with the territory - you should actually look up proper shading/values exercises regardless of how you're trying to communicate it. Take the hatching for instance - I see what you're trying to do here, but the hatching itself is messy and all over the place; it doesn't follow a clear pattern and ultimately hurts what you are trying to communicate - proper light and shadow.

Pick up a widely respected manga or comic (even capeshit, so long as its one of the older ones that actually had skill in drawing it) and look at a page that had good value-work. And I mean LOOK at it, see how the artist did what they did and then try to make a copy of it using a reference.

I have attached here a study I did many years ago, when I was trying to understand perspective. It obviously is not as polished as the OG drawing on the bottom (Otoyomegatari), but I learned so much from doing this repeatedly. I really think you would also benefit in this manner. Again, I'm not trying to browbeat you or to say you should stop drawing, far from it. I'm just saying that up to a point there really isn't anywhere to make progress without turning to serious study.

>>6769232

hm, i like this idea.

thinking of tracing/copying dragon ball desu, thats just black and white

>>6769249
I'm not against tracing as a means of a learning tool, but try to not do it as much as you can. It is important for you to train your own artistic "muscles", even if it's trying to get as close to a reference as possible.

i always loved how toriyama rarely uses gray or grid foil

>>6769257

>>6769257
>>6769266
Any of these can conceptually work. The important thing is that you try your absolute best to draw it the same way. Doing so gives you insights as to how that mangaka approached the problem, which in turn are tools you can apply to your own work.

>>6768379
why do you think you need to go to Japan to make a comic, just make one now

>>6769308
Just another form of procrastination, probably.
>I'll definitely get that million dollar idea and the motivation to learn how to draw it, as soon as I am in Japan...

just posted on tik tok and its crazy how quick you get viewers.

doing a motion comic there could be good, no?plus you could use AI voices?

>>6769326
>doing a motion comic there could be good
sure, just make sure it's comedy and no longer than 15 seconds because that's the attention span you'll be working with.

>>6769326
>using AI voices
Hope you're ready to get a flood of DMCA takedowns, anon, if not outright sued if you cross the wrong company/person.

>>6768379
>>6769315
I understand brother, in the past I've thought about dropping everything, moving to japan, and starting over.
>Once I'm there, it'll be a new life and I'll put everything into my manga!
It's more likely you'll end up working even harder to support yourself in a foreign country and wind up with less free time than you have now.
Unless you already have connections and can relocate yourself with the guarantee of work, it doesn't make sense. Especially since the internet makes overseas networking easier than ever.

>>6769332
Lmao, he doesn`t swipe after 5 seconds.

>>6769308
Making a comic will never be anything more than a hobby in the West. Not unless you want to sell your soul and draw Batman.

>>6769326
Everyone gets 200-300 views, but it depends on total watch time if you get more than that. But honestly, I like TikTok, you can branch out with more than just other artists. I have over 1k followers, so I go live and can instantly get 2-1000 people in. Way better than Twitch or Picarto.
AI voices depends because TikTok gets you on sounds, not so much content. You could always use their built in voice filters

https://www.webtoons.com/en/creator/7a8zo

I have made over 100 pages (traditionally) of comics at this point

On reddit and Webtoons I don't get any comments or views.

On 4chan I got comments mostly cursing at me for being a Chris Chan, but there are some appreciators which gave me hope.

IRL it's different, but that's my online story so far.

>>6769360
why do you say that, you can literally make a comic right now of whatever you want and publish it instantly online. That's what ONE did.

>>6769415
are you having fun?

>>6769456
you didn't read my post

>>6769459

yeah or else i woudn't be doing it

>>6769461
You don't need to be in Japan to use the internet

>>6769526
you didn't read my post

>>6769566
You don't understand how to communicate, obviously

There are plenty of people making comics "in the West" right now as a career, not a hobby. Your statement is objectively wrong. And no, they are not drawing Batman.

I want to make comics but writing makes me want to die, how do I cope?

>>6769652
how is this even a question, just use ChatGPT

>>6769652
What about writing the dialogue makes it awful for you? For me it's really fun.

>>6769674
I just feel really stupid when I try

>>6769257
I know. Imo that's true brilliancy. Miyazaki pulled it off really well too, like picrel shows. Most current mangakas would shit themselves to depict something like that with only black and white.
>>6766697
thanks!
>>6766732
kek, based

>>6768379
cringe. just draw
>>6767864
>It's just cheap non-waterproof india ink on construction paper
wtf am I reading. stop being retarded and buy bristol board and pelikan ink.

How can I make sure my comic doesn’t catch the label of a ‘western’ or ‘faux’ manga? I’ve always had a deep seated appreciation for the versatility of expression that mangaka can capture in just black and white, but I want my own work to stand on its own merits as well without being seen as imitating (might seem counterproductive to post itt but it’s the closest thread for sharing this work of mine)

This is page 3 of my comic I just finished. I’ve never made anything like this before so its one of the most important things I’ve made in a very long time.

>Had to redraw and rearrange a bunch of pages because I noticed most of the comic is face close-ups
Even then I just can't seem to find a good place to fit a zoomout "room" panel without exceeding the (arbitrary) 8 page limit

World Apartment horror study
Don't have screentones so I used a toothbrush and masking tape.

>>6769779
>so I used a toothbrush
You're a realer artist than I'll ever be

>>6769157
>>6769160
Solid fills with watercolor instead of hatching for shadows

>>6769701
I like the closeup zoom, anon. Also, what constitutes a "manga" isnt how you draw so much as how it "feels" to read. The themes, the pacing, whether you focus more on what the characters are thinking and feeling rather than a laser focus on just only portraying actions. If you can get a copy, Araki in his manga theory book spends about 3 pages discussing the differences between manga and western comics generally.

>>6769779
>toothbrush
u fokkin wot m8. Mad lad, that's some top tier dedication.

>>6769696
It's been about 10 years since I last read the entire Nausicaa epic in print. God, I forgot how pretty it is. I need to reread it now, doubly so now that I'm actually drawing a comic.

>>6769871
>>6769811
yeah lol, I got it from a 19th century book on ink drawing (Pen Drawing, An Illustrated Treatise).
It's the best way I found to mimic screentones. I've also used it here: >>6766332 on the brainsucker, in the last panel.
I've also been experimenting with sponges, but with no great success

>>6769892
>Pen Drawing, An Illustrated Treatise
Would you be willing to upload a video of your technique? Pencils I am fine with getting that finished manga look is hard.

>>6769996
You just put ink on the bristles and splatter it, you can even do it with your finger.

>>6769892
I have also had no luck with sponges

This thread obliterates asg in terms if accomplishment

>>6770005
What is asg?

>>6770001
Thank you anon

>>6769696
>stop being retarded
I try anon, I really do
>bristol board
but I got this paper for less than 3 cents a sheet, and I have 2k sheets
besides, my art sucks, I might have 1000 pages left before I get good enough to justify spending $0.50 per page on paper

>>6770005
that's only because I haven't posted art for a few threads, I'll start bringing the average down again soon
it's not a competition anyways, asg is linked in the OP

>>6770021
/asg/ is the anime studies general. However, I dont know if I 100% agree with >>6770005 (more like 75%). Yes, a decent handful of posters on /mmg/ are clearly better than most of /asg/, but I feel /mmg/ has lower lows if you're going to compare beginner artists' relative skill levels.

>>6770051
>besides, my art sucks, I might have 1000 pages left before I get good enough to justify spending $0.50 per page on paper

It's a good idea. Professional grade materials will take a skilled artist's finished product to the next level, but they won't do anything for a beginner but waste his money and make him feel worse about it.

Wait, wtf did someone else take over the Doki Doki drawing channel? Did the guy sell the channel?

>>6769871
Thank you, I will look into that.

>>6769701
>I want my own work to stand on its own merits as well without being seen as imitating
That's exactly the mindset that most western "manga" has. I'm super unique rockstar and I want to stand out, that's why they always end up with these ugly hybrid styles

>>6770430
>ugly hybrid styles
example? hybrid sounds better than generic manga style comic #10491324. It's so lame when you can look at a western comic artist and say, "oh this guy is trying to draw like Bleach" etc.

>>6770578
Any of this I guess? I've never seen any passing western manga

>>6770632
Green shirt guy next to 1st character looks ok. All else sucks.

>>6770430
>>6770632
So what are you trying to say here? Don't even bother trying to create in your own style, ONLY try to 1:1 copy something else? That's moronic if so, given how many manga are popular based on their own style.

>>6770632
Hybrid would be like Netflix shit

>>6770430
The most successful mangaka also have unique styles and looks. Nobody would ever mistake Toriyama or Oda for anyone else. The issue is that in the West art is not considered a valid career and there are very few avenues to making it one, anybody that has the skill and drive to make it one will be not be attempting to do it in a Japanese style because the money is elsewhere.

I'm sure Jim Lee could draw great looking anime if he wanted to

>>6770783
You don't try to make your style, you learn from your superiors and your personal preferences will show through on their own

>>6770804
why do you keep schizo doomposting
there's at least one anon in these threads who's made a career solo publishing his work
nobody gives a shit about your under-informed opinions on the western comic market

>>6770353
you can also fuck off

>That isn't real manga! It doesn't look Japanese enough! I won't buy anything made by a Westoid!
This is you, as well as who you are trying to sell to. Do you not see the problem here?

>>6770818
who are you quoting?

>>6770816
Yes, and the one (or even two) who you are referring to, has a unique style that is decidedly Western looking and sells to a Western audience. Lay off the buzzwords start using your brain for once.

>>6770820
>>6770430

>>6770821
>The issue is that in the West art is not considered a valid career and there are very few avenues to making it one
>decidedly Western looking and sells to a Western audience
how about you stop moving goalposts
are you saying western art doesn't sell or that western art only sells to westerners?

Before any stylization issues the biggest problem with most of the alt-manga styles is that they are drawn by less experienced artists who need to work on their construction and refinement before worrying about specific styles.

Even when the artists have skill the pattern I see is that they tend to copy a manga style then add some random trait, like the cat eye with a small pupil or facial shape language from tumblr grafted onto a anime body or thick and naive line weights. Ironically rather than showcasing their uniqueness this tends to reveal a lack of creativity and sensitivity in solving visual problems.

Rather than pursuing a 'japanese' or 'western' style you should be aiming to make good art. Style is developed through a long process of observation and refinement. When you take inspiration from a place, whether that be manga, european comics, superhero comics, etc. instead of thinking it as a style to copy, try to figure out what problem the artist was trying to solve when he developed his style and think on how that might apply to your goals. On a commercial level consumers are biased towards certain looks and put them into broad sweeping categories but these are just my thoughts as an artist.

>>6770632
do you think the thought process behind most of these artists really was "I want my work to standout and not imitate"? I wonder. It all looks like imitation anime to me. Just poorly imitated.

I'd agree with >>6770804 that hybrid looks more like his pic and the way they draw all those DC animated movies now.

>>6770804
>I'm sure Jim Lee could draw great looking anime if he wanted to
picrel is Jim Lee's Goku

>>6767484
>disgusting, your westoid is showing
thanks anon, I don't really consider that an insult.

>>6770866
Now see that is way above anything seen here
>>6770804
>>6770632
Because Lee is a seasoned artist with solid fundamentals and understanding. That's what all these hopefuls need, not to latch onto a (passing fad) style immediately, as >>6770853
said.

Just copying your favorites, especially in anime, is a losing game because anime morphs style trends so quickly and completely. You want to know another reason why Western anime artists always look so off? They started by copying their favorites, Dragon Ball, Yu Gi Oh, Sailor Moon, Bleach, etc, and by the time they got even to INT level with that specific style, the popular anime style completely changed. Now here they are stuck with quirks and shape language from a style that is considered outdated and old fashioned. And anime is heavily sold on being current, hip and trendy. Old looks, even when better artistically, will be dismissed, and if that's what you learned with, you will have a very hard time keeping up with the trends.

>>6770430
>>6770578
>>6770804
Out of curiosity, would you take a first glance at my page and call if an ugly hybrid or something? A bit hurtful if so but I need to know so I can adapt it into something better >>6769701
Also, I was under the impression that most manga ‘impersonators’ do so intentionally and take great credit to having their work mistaken as shonen and the like, since there is an entire publishing company that prides itself on that known as Saturday AM. Not to shame them if that is there objective since it still takes skill to get to that level, I just don’t want to fall into that group

>>6770804
Damn thats literally southpark ''anime'' artstyle lol

i know copying is a good idea to understand what you're aiming for but

would copying an entire manga be too insane to attempt? thinking of at least copying some of akira to both understand otomo's composition and paneling.

>>6771422
Find an artist you like and copy them while learning fundamentals because your fundies are bad and your art has no appeal beyond that.

>>6771478
why not just make your own manga and use akira as reference, that'd probably be a more productive use of your time.

>>6771478
One of the advice in the jump book is that, just take the pages that you like, and draw them, a really good life changing advice

>>6771478
>>6771597
I tried it, but it took me several days to copy one page. Does the process speed up, or should I just copy bits and pieces of the manga at a time, like a normal human?

>>6771726
Depends on your skill, honestly. But usually coping a single page shouldn't take you more than a few hours. You can do it, Anon!

>>6771597
>>6771505
>>6771726
>>6771748

i'll give the one page thing a shot i guess then
sounds within the realm of posibility

>>6771748
>You can do it, Anon!
I will! wagmi

>>6771726
It's not about doing a perfect copy バカやろ!!! It's about learning the process

Do it again and this time try to think what you did and how you did it in the step by step process

And don't push it with the art department just do it and try to learn or comprehend why the composition is like that

I think the main difference between western and manga is that manga has a lot more panels that are NOT landscape "movie shots" I don't know how to explain it but western comic panels are more unufirk and show more detail. Each panel is an illustration in itself. In manga, the flow is so fast that a single transition panel barely has any impressive art in it. The speech bubbles and panel size also control the flow of the story in manga.

>>6771726
You don't have to copy all the details just do enough to get the idea

>>6771422
That's just plain ugly

>>6771422
it appears to be more on the anime side, something about the lower half of the figure reminds me of anime styles I've seen before, even the posture. But the drawing of the face/head/torso is not well defined enough to categorize it. From the background drawing it seems like you have a decent handle on perspective though. Just keep drawing and working on improving.

>>6764297
cool anon, I basically grinded with artbooks. Years ago I bought Dynamic Figure Drawing by Hogarth and drew everything in the book, after that I felt comfortable laying out figures. Bought a bunch of other books on drawing comics/manga and perspective too. Then I would also look at comic/manga artists work that I like and study it visually, how they draw certain aspects of the face etc.

Anyway, once you've got a decent foundation of anatomy and perspective I feel you see the most progress by working on a comic, just make up a short story, anything, don't let your ideas for the story be limited by what you can or can't draw, then just start making it seriously, with real effort. You'll be forced to draw things/situations you've never drawn before and end up improving. Make each panel a chance to study, use references if needed to get a real understanding of what you're trying to draw. As the pages progress you'll start getting better. 50 pages in and you should see real improvement in your work. You can do it.

>>6772476
this anon knows what he's talking about

>>6772476
>>6772500
>there are others with a nice physical bookshelf of tutorials and references
There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

>>6769701
The head/face is not anime at all, too realistic but also zero appeal. Anime faces are based on Japanese people, flat, round and neotenous. All their stylization is based on this, with adjustments made for age and other factors.

Is there a general on this site for non-manga comics? I looked at /co/ and there was only the webcomic one, but even they tell people to come to /mmg/. I don't draw manga-style so just curious if I could post my work here

>>6772661
This thread is welcoming to all types, I've suggested they change the name but nobody seems to agree

>>6772661
What, does /co/ kick out everyone if their work doesn't look like a stereotypical webcomic or...?

>>6772675
All I know about HYWC is that it's a drama-filled namefag circle jerk and nobody ever improves

>>6772682
It's ironic that /co/ is like that, since /aco/'s version of HYWC is super chill in my experience....... although nobody there ever improves also, lol.

>>6772507
>>6772476
>mfw we are in a simulation
>mfw I bought all of these fairly recently and I'm improoving faster

>>6772682
I think the issue with it and similar threads where people are sharing their story/art is that people get way too wrapped up in their creation and don't take criticism of any type well.
Then the story ultimately fails and they get mad at webtoon/tapas/etc instead of looking inward
I know such a thing would never exist here, but it would be nice to have a general for artists, writers, and editors to get together and just talk about creating comics. But I get it's a lot of work and people would ultimately get tired of trying to help when people don't take the advice

>>6772717
Based yostubato appreciator. Those backgrounds are some of the best pen and ink work I’ve ever seen

>>6762908
>>6763346
>>6762846
more revision, adding a little bit of sequence, but I don't think I'll make too much revisions. Sometimes I forgot that people read comic mainly for the story, and this page will be look at less than 10 seconds. for action scenes it is probably more important to have the sequence of event play out. What I observed about American comic's action scenes is that they usually have higher degree of clarity and wanting to maintain a logical sequence of event, while manga, at least action manga that doesn't have a focus on technical fighting (like all arounder meguru) , they generally have more focus on momentum and sense of impact.

How "finished" are your sketches before you start inking/lineart?
I started this short Turn-A Gundam doujin for practice, but I'll be honest I haven't actually "finished" anything complete for a while

>>6772849
Not much to say other than killer stuff man, I love those dashed lines for motion. idk if it's an influence but it reminds me of Tsugumomo

>>6772849
gonna be honest i think the red figure in the lower panel is not really needed.

>>6772761
lol I actually just bought it for JP reading practice. I don't really like the artwork, most of the bg's are 3d traced.

>>6772969
I don't know if you're baiting but not, they're not "3d traced". They're mostly natural environments, at worst they're based on photos. And they still look really, really good. Making backgrounds in that style look good is not easy, it still takes a lot of skill.

How important is drawing the characters the exact same way every single time? I like changing up the style or proportions sometimes to fit the scenario but will people just see it as inconsistent art?

I mean sometimes making them chibi, or sometimes changing how the hair falls on their shoulders.

>>6773405
Nah that's fine, as long as they are recognizable as the character. Many manga do this, check out City Hunter

>>6773405
>Character changes style for a joke, a silly or exaggerated expression or scene
Good!
>Character changes style between panels/pages for seemingly no reason in-setting, just a lack of skill from the artist to stay on-model
Bad!

Panel I'm working on for my manga

>>6774104
looks awesome MORE MORE MORE

>>6774104
Nice blood effect.

The second chapter of the New Dr. Slump in the second subconciously influenced me probably

https://ww5.mangakakalot.tv/chapter/manga-hw984805/chapter-2

The pace, the imagination...its really good! Isn't it?

One of the best /ic/ threads, a lot of interesting projects. I hope they finish it.

>>6774109
Thanks, here’s one I did a bit ago

>>6774188
Thanks, I appreciate it

>>6774685
Holy f-

Pro level art

>>6772895
I jump ahead and add details depending on how “complete” I feel a panel is; makes the process more interesting for me

>>6761461
>>6761463
Dear God, that paneling is awful, as manga-ish as Watchmen or shit like that.

>>6774919
not him, but please explain your criticism and how he could do it better

>>6774931
I'd be surprised if that wasn't a drive-by shitpost. The paneling absolutely does look manga-esque.

>>6772682
A couple of people from there improved considerably, but you stand corrected about the drama circlejerk thing. There's a lot of people who don't work on their craft at all and spend most of their time shitposting.

I suppose I could give the tea on what happened with HYWC. They had a mass exodus a couple months back because the threads got attacked by an absolutely relentless autist. This person would reply to himself, create multiple personas, and take the piss at anyone else posting. So the most active members of the group who were mostly all friends anyway fucked off to discord and never looked back. That's probably why people are suddenly being directed here.

>>6775009
Sounds like Tatsumoto and DJT

>>>/pol/436665221

got positive comments on /pol/

if you just post all pages on a 4chan board a number of times you might get some people to actually read it. if you have trouble getting an audience

ah well. back to drawing

I can’t even fart out 1 page, let alone approximately 15+ each week. How do you make a multiple page episode in a week? Nobody would want to read something that only updates every 2 weeks instead of 1, right?

>>6775085
lots of mangaka in the Shonen Jump book, including the guy who did Gintama and the girl who drew Promised Neverland, all said manga takes a long time in the beginning. Demizu in particular said that it took her a month to draw 5 pages at first. Apparently, the process DOES get faster (though it hasn't happened for me yet lol)

experimented with the paneling on the last 3 pages, too messy maybe?
>>6766332
You're so damn good, really liked your watercolored comic too...

>>6775191
Is that Earthworm Jim inspired kek

I find the art endearing but the panels confusing though, sorry

>>6775206
>Is that Earthworm Jim inspired
Doug Tennapel's artstyle has influenced me a bit
>but the panels confusing
that's what I felt too, I need to take a step back more often and look at the overall composition.
next page will be back to basics

>>6775085
>Nobody would want to read something that only updates every 2 weeks instead of 1, right?
what are you basing this on? have you never read a monthly manga?

Man, I cannot decide on a hairstyle for my MC. Any short style looks generic, any long style doesn't look distinctive. I don't have this problem with side characters at all.

>>6775107
I guess they mean that you get comfortable once you keep drawing it?
>>6775300
that’s true, I was solely thinking about webtoons, most of the ones I see/read upload weekly but you make a good point.

>>6775320
Give him or her a hat.
If you're ever running into an issue where a design's hair style is the linchpin of whether said design can be identified or not, you're probably either worrying about nothing, or need to rework the design.

>>6774685
you are fucking awesome. Do you have discord? How long have you been drawing? Any tips for beg?

>>6774685
Genuinely you could pass for /pro/, anon. Nice looking hooligans. But why are you pissing around the rest of us losers, lol.

>>6774697
Bless

>>6775490
Thanks. I do but I don't use it often desu.

Been drawing manga for a while, started in middle school and a few years removed from college now.

I don't have any profound advice, especially nothing other anons and threads haven't said better. Here're some I hope you find helpful:

- Draw what interests YOU
- Learn to enjoy the process
- Be open to criticism
- Remember everyone is developing, even the pros
- In terms of developing your "style", find artists you like, and study and experiment
- Don't burn yourself out, it's okay to take breaks
- If you're just starting out, enjoy creating art, but if you're an intermediary, you should shift some focus to really honing the basics and fundamentals - anatomy, form, perspective, shading etc
- There're hella resources (textbooks, videos etc) here and elsewhere online, take advantage of them
- Keep you ego in check

Hope these were helpful, happy creating

Yeah it looks pro. A perfect Inoue copy yeah. But soul and creaivity is what is needed these days or else AI will take over you

>>6775675
Shut the fuck up

>>6775749

what use is good drawings if the story bores me?

>>6775793

I'll admit the one piece of artwork is great. but that is one tiny piece

>>6765177

>>6775949
I'm Looking foward your comic anon

>>6765177
>>6775949
Is this you?

for fuck sake I have done 20 pages of manga and now I am deciding if I should post them, but I spent the last 2 hours coming up with an artist name, it's so hard, especially since many apps don't allow you to change username

how do you do it frens?

>>6776148
Yeah, I've been stopping and restarting multiple times

>>6776177
This is incredible anon, dope work! Socials?

>>6776184
Don't have any, sorry.

>>6776177
Really nice stuff, what is this about?

Sorry if this is a dumb question to ask on here, but how would you go about making thumbnails? and what does it help with? I feel like thumbnails is rarely talked about on /ic/

>>6776228
Just draw bro enough of the thumbnail shit

>>6776228
Draw something small quickly a bunch of times to get the composition right > Draw something big for a long time and realise the composition is wrong.

I was wondering, is there any book about the Kinetic Lines? how and when to use 'em, that sort of stuff.

>>6776290
Why would you need a book for that...? When you think they'll help you convey something, draw them. Otherwise, don't. There's no right or wrong here, it all depends on what you're trying to convey and how.

>>6770632
how the hell did these guys get published? Even Webtoon is better

>>6776413
Is this some westoid thing? Honestly looks like a lot of them got selected for diversity quotas.

>>6776413
these magazines aren't very lucrative. Probably none of it's creators are making a full time living from it. I know alterna is another publisher that has tons of comic serials, but only a few of its artists are making any money

>>6776413
I think art really not a big deal with comics. What matters more is if there's enough to read that you can get immersed in the story and follow along. If the story is is good then you keep people who are willing to give it a try. I've never stopped reading a comic because the art was too bad. But I don't wait for comics with bad art to update every single week, either.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my cope with my comic... haha.....

Is there any manga that is still being made with paper and ink? It seems like everything is digital now.

>>6776593
Yes, a lot of it is still made with pen and ink.

>>6776601
That's nice to hear. I would be sad to see the old methods fade away.

>6 pages in 15 days
Is this good pace for my first comic? Am I taking things too fast, too slow?

>>6776664
Pretty normal, unless it’s very simple. Do you have a sample?

I noticed that even when characters are given full tone shadow for dramatic effect (panel 1 and 2), Inoue still gives slight white highlights for the eyes... interesting.

>>6776972
you always want eyes to stand out, they are the most important part of the face

>>6776664
Slow, especially if art isn`t great. Post your work?

>>6776593
From the top of my head, Tsutomu Takahashi still is an old school artist (currently drawing Guitar Shop Rosie), Jiro Matsumoto, Witch Hat Atellier's artist also does it. IIRC Q Hayashida draws like this too (Dai Dark). Most younger folks do digital, so not too many exceptions that I can tell, but some older mangaka still draw them traditionally even after switching to digitally, from time to time. e.g. Boichi and Yukito Kishiro. I'd love to draw digitally but I'm just not happy the way I I draw digitally, so I do it with pen and ink

>>6776972
Well that makes sense, and not just from a dramatic standpoint. People's sclera are white/slightly off-white, so it's gonna shine easily. Anything white will have a high albedo.

>>6761037
>Full MANBEN Series link: https://mega.nz/folder/9h1mUYSJ#8sJoO57nMP_JhjnujBXkpQ
This is still dead.

>>6776529
You have a point. I don't even keep up with new comics with good art. I need a lot of content.

>>6776975
Don't say always. I can think of plenty of times you either don't want the eyes to stand out or want them to be outright hidden.

>>6777547
There hasn't been a replacement so it stays until there is.

I just found out Yuto Sano is 25 old, how the fuck that kind of guys come from? they were autistic who spent all of their childhood drawing at home without any friends? genius? artist gods?

>>6777847
The first one most likely. If you wanna get good then you better draw all the time every day without rest. However, it only happens because your life is happier when you're drawing so you just end up getting good as a result of that dedication.
The thing is that good manga doesn't need good art, just good story and IMO good storyTELLING. Look at ONE with his shit drawings but his amazing paneling and storytelling.

>>6777010
Got the G pen and all the good stuff?

>>6777847
>Since my father was an avid reader of Weekly Shonen Jump (Shueisha), I grew up reading shonen magazines from a young age. I enjoyed creating characters and drawing, which led me to aspire to become a manga artist since my middle school days. Participating in open campus events solidified my decision to pursue this path.
https://web.anabuki-college.ac.jp/anacolle/1347/ Basically the guy worked a lot from a young age and had a supportive environment.

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>>6778643