/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

yknow what, sure
i never post my trad art on here but its not like anyone can link it to me anyway

>>6738104

>>6738106

>>6738104
>no 3/4th perspective head
>but doesn’t hide hands
We trained him wrong, as a joke

>>6738109
anon that anatomy is absolutely beautiful
and you can just see the volume with so little pencil work

>>6738111
Listen to your dick, anon. It will show you the way

>>6738112
I like art where like the girl is exposed and doesn’t know and she’s getting horny and she doesn’t know why

>>6738213

going away painting with oils for a couple days, how do I transport several wet paintings? my pochade can only store two panels

I drew Catt, there’s boobs in it but it’s kind of more a horror drawing than a nude (she kinda likes those, just how it turned out idk)

>>6738399
Cut down corks from wine bottles. look on youtube.

>>6738083
Okay so say you go on reddit, to /r/oilpainting, you'll notice all the paintings have that same drab flatness. What is that and how do I avoid it? Like are they jsut keeping everything too close in value or what? Even in college I'd sometimes go to the student art exhibitions and it was all the same shit, everything looked dull and flat. Yet other paintings I've seen online look real and alive and vibrant and 3 dimensional.

>>6738685
>/r/oilpainting
I've just been there, first few paintings showed a diverse amount of skills. Try posting some specific examples. Nevertheless, typical beginner mistakes are poor value handling, and poor temperature handling. The former will break the 3-dimensionality, while the second will dull/mud the colors

>>6738718
It’s fine, people need to get past the technical parts first. You can’t avoid them so it’s weird to be critical of people learning. I do take issue with other beginners telling those artists “it’s perfect Omg” and making a popularity contest out of student work is kind of retarded and doesn’t encourage anyone to learn, just to make more stuff that will win the popularity contest BUT I DIGRESS

>>6738083
>>6738330
Fantastic depth.

>>6738718
Maybe it's mostly portraits though I've seen it in other paintings but here are a few that have that dullness:
https://www.reddit.com/r/oilpainting/comments/14v3zww/sketch_of_tim_robinson_from_a_few_months_ago/
https://www.reddit.com/r/oilpainting/comments/14v6sqt/barbie_girl_10x10/
https://www.reddit.com/r/oilpainting/comments/14vfxel/daniel_from_there_will_be_blood_16x12/
https://www.reddit.com/r/oilpainting/comments/14wvi29/tea_time_oil_on_canvas_12x16/

Maybe it's just getting skin tones right is hard or something.

>>6738083
I dunno if this counts as truly traditional media but i sculpt out of clay, mold, and make resin figures by slush casting. If not sorry for clogging up the thread
>these are like 10” tall and took from October to may off and on to get the sculpt and molds right

>>6738822
So yeah, the usual culprits: temperature (chalky because of too much (titanium) white), working from photos and not understanding how to compensate for it, poor value handling / inadequate lighting in the references.

They've got some basic skills, but a teacher would do them wonders.

>>6738901
lol, don't worry about clogging up this thread. Can't happen. Those look like fun little toys

>>6739007
Thank you! Been trying to sculpt more in a classic sofubi style, thinking of going the route of lost wax molds first, since wax allows for a smoother finish rather than clay

>>6739387
Doesn't it depends on the clay? (oil vs. water; I'm unfamiliar with sculpting)

>>6738822
TBF, those are a lot better than I was expecting from your moaning. If you want to avoid it, we'd have to see your paintings first, so PYW so we can assess what, if anything, needs changing in your skills.

>>6739406
Oil works well (like monster clay) for mold building or sculpting people I found, stays soft feels really organic when finished and with water based I find it dries out quickly, but works great for sanding and smoothing down. I was using an apoxie based clay on that sculpture and while it retains great detail it also can be a bit too rigid unless you sand it to the absolute point of glass smoothness then spraying gloss coats of varnish over them to get it reflectively smooth. I used to use wax for when I did aluminum castings back in college, wax is great but like oil based clays can retain every touch, the one thing I’ve read is that a lot of sofubi artists do is make an original in clay, then a wax cast and heat it so it melts a small bit allowing for the gloss of the wax to take over
>picrel is the original in the apoxie with the gloss coats (weighs quite a bit more than the resin)

Pastel

>>6739744
For the finish, can't you just use some acrylic paint + gloss medium on pretty much any surface?

>>6739583
Yeah they're not bad they're just dull and flat. They're all better than I can do, I just want to figure it out so I can avoid that look entirely, more a preventative than corrective sort of thing.

>>6738109
>>6738790
Anon, how did you get your anatomy to be this good? Put me on the right path, please!

>>6738109
>>6738790
I—>>6740071—will take any advice you have to offer, no matter what it's about.

Rate my color study. Did it in two hours, mostly just trying to get flesh tones sorta accurately. Working with a limited-ish palette:
>black is raw umber + ultramarine
>zinc white (and tit white for the opaque shirt collar)
>yellow ochre
>transparent red oxide
>a touch of raw sienna every now and then

>>6738901
Good work, and also, those are some pro pics you take, anon. Do you sell these? Can't imagine you go through all that effort and not monetize those skills somehow.

coney stew

>>6738685
most newbs absolutely abuse titanium white, which is too powerful and ends up making everything look chalky, like in all those reddit examples you shared. You have three options to fix this:
>Learn to use tit white sparingly, learn to value up your mixes with colors other than white.
>Switch to zinc white, much easier to handle, less powerful than tit white, won't make everything chalky. Zinc white has issues in terms of longevity though, if you care about that.
>Use lead white or similar, like Cremnitz white. These offer the same benefits as Zinc white without compromising the longevity of your paintings. Downside is lead is toxic though.
From my understanding, most pros and students at serious academies use lead white.

>>6740174
>most academies use lead white
>lead white
HERE IT COMES

>>6740118
Here’s my genuine advice on drawing women:

Draw them until you’re aroused because you won’t be aroused by incorrect female anatomy. If it doesn’t look right you won’t be attracted to it. That’s what I do.

In terms of drawing men, you need to draw them in such a way that you feel violent towards them. You need to tap into the part of your masculinity that hates other men, and ESPECIALLY hates ideal looking powerful men. Make a man look heroic and perfect until you want to fucking stab the paper because you hate him so much. Voila.

Art is nothing if not the mating strategy of human males who could not compete physically, so we had to compete creatively. Use that.

>>6740178
lol is it a contentious topic here? Never noticed, and I've been on these threads (/trad/, art supply general, /acad/, /msg/) for a while now.

>>6739925
You can but some doesn’t adhere right, like the mod podge acrylic fixatives don’t seem to want to adhere as nicely as a vallejo (which might be just the toughest) or even krylon fixatives (it could however be the paint as well that prevents it) I use to use on smaller sculpts clear high gloss nail polish for its thickness
>>6740164
I do sell them, this was my first venture going larger on this type of resin project, here was the one I released along side them, these guys are like less than 2” tall

>>6740174
Guess I should find some flake white. Not like cadmium, cobalt, and so on are non-toxic anyway.
Right now I've got titanium white and zinc white, not currently worried about longevity, I'm painting on cardboard scraps with a bit of acrylic gesso lol.
Doesn't lead white have issues with yellowing though and flaking?

>>6740210
We’ll speak of it no further

>>6740183
I'm lost for words; this is the best advice I've ever got. If you have any more advice—even if minuscule in your eyes—please don't hold it back, anon.

>>6740404
Action is the death of thought my friend. Act according to others you’ll kill the part of yourself that is truly connected to nature. Artists are savages.

>>6740417
Thanks for your advice, wise anon.

>>6740178
But do you MAKE YOUR OWN LEAD WHITE??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???

>>6740456
SHOO YOU FUCKING JUNKIE FUCK

>>6740458
Lmao, I'm not Jimmy you retard

>>6740417
Painted this little slut tonight :)

>>6741234
looks ok, but lot of issues if you actually study birds with the coverts and talons. average person will be impressed though. even average artist. i know its not the focus, but more time on whatever the bird is standing on would help. i honestly cant tell if its a log or rock or what.

>>6741234
Perhaps you could have enforced the light/shadow separation, and/or tweaked the lighting to help make it more apparent. Keep going, you've got a few things in the right direction already

>>6741234
Is this you, Brian? If it is, man, you keep surprising me, time after time. Good work!

>>6741308
No that’s not me, it’s good though. Birds are a based subject

How exactly do I use ink? Do I mix it with water in a cup and use that or do I just use the ink raw

>>6741377
Get a watercolor brush I guess. Dip pens are dumb. Get a dip pen too if you wanna find out how unwieldy and archaic that shit feels as an art tool. We’ve moved past the dip pen as a society I fear

>>6741420
I am using a brush it's just I have no clue how to use it correctly.

>>6741437
Gosh you guys are babies. You'll (seriously) never make it with that attitude. Instead, try both, compare, try to understand what's happening.

>>6741443
You're right I will try both

>>6741447
Glad to hear; as a rule, try following in this order:

1. experimenting
2. looking for videos/tutorials
3. asking for help

Most often after 2., you'll be back at 1. and very rarely need 3.

>>6741757
Damn pretty good dude

>>6741377 don't listen to >>6741420 he is a dummy. Dip pens are not dumb they are based and feel great with the handling and you can do shit with them you can't with other pens. If you are a touch-based learner who needs to FEEL THE FORM then dip pen is the best for inking imo because of its flexibility and it gives the drawer a lot more freedom than with other pens. When you can really feel the rhythm of flowing lines and dancing of the pen, that's when you know you've done a good work or not. Anyway you can go with any watercolor brush as well for inkwash. Just try it both straight from the pot and diluted. Experiment with dilution and ink to water ratio.

>>6738083
>Linseed Oil and Spontaneous Combustion
wtf i never heard of this shit will my paintings catch on fire in the summer heat? or is it only the oily rags

>>6743084
too lazy to type it again, either query the archive, or watch the relevant youtube videos. short answers: no/eventually

>>6743084
Paint and medium hasn’t done that since 1894. Half the binder in paint is flame retardant bullshit at this point anyways

What does this need if anything, or what direction should it go in

>>6743167
Challenge yourself.

>>6743167
I think your value organization is bland as fuck (not just here, but in general). Everything feels the same value, there's no depth to things. Not sure you care about that btw. Also, do you even think about composition when you paint something? Feels like you should plan your paintings out a bit more.

>>6743222
Can you do a quick mock-up of a value structure u think could work, can be crude just to give me an idea of something

>>6743167
Here’s what I went with

>>6743444
Tatas

tradCHADS which paper size do you use on a common basis?
I've been using a small a5 sketchboo but since i tend to do several sketches in a single page i end up not having enough space
I've considered getting an A3 sketchbook but maybe its too much?
Also which grammage do you guys like on ur paper?
Im currently using 110g/m2 but maybe ill go for something lower

>>6744344
the sketchbook I use almost daily for pen and ink sketching is small, like it fits in a pocket, otherwise I find I don't bring it with me
for painting I have an A5 landscape sketchbook from hahnemühle with beige toned 200g/m2 sheets, works really well

>>6744344
A4 is best I find. A5 is too small, A3 is too big.
Idk if it's only because I got used to drawing on printer paper all those years ago

>>6743444
The green was a good choice, nicely controlled.

>>6744441
Yeah some lateral thinking on picking that green. I can’t really describe it but I feel like I kinda tapped into the like “Pee-Wee’s Playhouse” kind of sickening color scheme of the stuff I watched as a kid. Like why is the set design for this American childrens show straight out of a German Expressionist horror film

>>6744344
11x17 bristol

>>6744344
Depends what kind of work you're doing, and your skill level. I've got an A5 for sketching/small studies, especially on the go. I've got some ~A4 too that I tend to reserve now for more polished work.

Working on big formats (>A4) has advantages for beginners, but it's unusable on the go. And for the studio, packs of sheets are often cheaper/more versatile.

Most important thing is, make sure the damn thing opens flat. Grammage doesn't really matter unless you're working with wet media. If so, make sure the paper is at least advertised for ink, and not just for drawing.

I WANT MONEY AHHHHHHH

Monster Parade. Final layout drawing.

Finally had a chance to finish this while I was waiting for my car's AC to be fixed.

Next step is transferring it to watercolor paper.

>>6745416
Get that shit nigga

What are some good resources to learn how to paint in watercolor? I messed around a little bit for the first time since I was a child and realized it's 100x harder than I remember

>>6745523

I tried to pick it up again, got frustrated, gave up and switched over to gouache.

Having said that:

https://www.youtube.com/@WatercolorbyShibasaki

https://www.youtube.com/@NitinSinghwatercolorpaintings

https://www.youtube.com/@misulbu

>>6745116
I want to "feel her form" if I'm being truly honest

>>6745416
Soul

>>6745698

Thanks. Drawing monsters *is* soulful.

A friend and I are doing a oc tourney! So far we got 11 contestants on board, here's a little vocraoo that explains what's it about.
We'd also like some cute and funny ocs on our tourney! Having some paintings of ocs would be cool

https://voca.ro/1i3hmngVtW5l

>image by tourney contestant

>>6734465

How do you guys set up your lighting? I have one of these and no matter how I position it there's glare on my drawings and art books.

>>6748075

Diffuse, bright light is ideal. Like the light that comes through a window that's not facing the sun directly, on a bright day.

This is hard to simulate in an artificial environment. There's a reason photographers use a lot of reflectors and other tools to disperse light.

My advice is to set up a lighting system that illuminates your room as much as possible, so you don't have to rely on direct light as much.

This can be tricky in spaces that don't have overhead lighting.

Put this in the furry thread but screw it, this belongs here too.

Gouache on Paper.

Howdy

>>6748075
Poorly.

I intend to buy some photo-gear later to get something more enjoyable. For now I cope.

>>6738213
I feel as tho her face is too rendered and doesn’t match the impressionist style of the rest of the painting. Still, really like the brush strokes

I painted a meat guy. Was practicing organic forms and things ended up vaguely humanoid, so it turned into a meat guy.
Though as a consequence there's not much composition or anything. It's pretty small, an A5 paper, I should probably start painting on A4 more, but these small ones were a cheap crap paper that I nonetheless didn't want to just throw away.

>>6748251
Nice colours! The fabric is a bit too consistent in the size of he folds, like many tubes, but good I think! cloth is very hard, I can't draw or paint it yet. It does give a unique feel to the painting, like all the fabric is very thick.

The figure is great except the face is a bit flat. But nice work! How long did it take? I find myself for some reason stressing over when a painting takes long, even though my life is pretty empty and better spend it painting than lurking. Meat guy for example took 2 and a half hours I think roughly.

>>6745416
Looking forward to seeing it finished! How do you transfer the sketch?

A quick 5-hour study. How did I do? Mostly focused on value and color

>>6749785
Finish it!

>>6749775
>How long did it take?

I don't even know how to measure it. I kept putting it on the back-burner because my first attempt was an unmitigated disaster.

Also I had to drive across the country, had a parent sharing my tiny bedroom for 2 weeks, lost my job, and got violently sick for a week.

So, I have no way of knowing how long it actually took, because I was just noodling on it between one thing an another.

But, it wasn't quick. Largely because I was working very carefully and slowly, hoping to avoid the mistakes that had derailed my first attempt. I think I've learned a lot, though. In future attempts I may put an ink layer down to get the flats/roughs, and then paint over that to add the detail. That might work better.

>>6749775
>Looking forward to seeing it finished! How do you transfer the sketch?

Just traced it. I have come carbon paper too, but I didn't use it for this.

>>6749529
Star shine, never gonna find me

What you guys think?

And this? this are my ultimate

>>6750599
>>6750599
Very good! The palm of the hand looks weird though, and it should definitely have some shadow, shouldn't it?

>>6750599
>>6750601
I'm not receptive to the subject matter, but technically, this is quite good: nice range of contrast, rendering is consistent, no glaring proportions issues.

Definitely keep going dude

>>6738685
>>6740174
not just titanium white. modern paints have aluminium stearates for stability and it turns paints cloudy after drying.
>>6740302
a little bit of yellowing. flaking no. but zinc does become brittle and flakes

>>6750652
>not just titanium white. modern paints have aluminium stearates for stability and it turns paints cloudy after drying.
that's why you use quality paint. I use only Michael Harding and Old Holland

>>6750656
no, it's why i only use pigment+oil paint like rublev or make my own paint.

>>6750697
MH is pigment and oil, nothing else

>>6750709
i don't know how true that is. they say no extenders or fillers, but aluminium stearate is neither. it's a stabilizer. they don't write that their oil paint is just oil and pigment either.

>>6750697
Interesting, I'd love to make my own paints but am worried that's just another rabbit hole to go down and that I might end up enjoying playing without that too much to actually paint. Doesn't help I'm a geologist and TA'd mineralogy a few times back in uni and gradschool and the idea of finding the actual minerals or ores and breaking them down myself into pigments seems like a blast.

>>6750652
>a little bit of yellowing. flaking no. but zinc does become brittle and flakes
So what is the best general purpose white then? If titanium is too chalky and overpowering, zinc is thin and brittle, lead is yellowing... What is one to do?

>>6751022
my advice would be to reserve paint making for things that can't be gotten in tube paint. it's tempting to make ochre/clay paint because it's the easiest but it's even easier to buy it in tube. though it's interesting how different ochres coming from different sources behave and look differently because of different particle shapes and sizes.
malachite, azurite, and lapis lazuli are more interesting and not available in tube paint at least not in good quality. i wish i can crush vermilion and the yellow arsenic pigments. then there are lake pigments and other manufactured pigments. making lead tin yellow would be nice too, and it can't be stored as paint or it will just harden.

>>6751025
yellowing is reversible by sunlight for the most part. titanium yellows when locked away too. it's the oil. however the lighter oils dry slower and maybe not completely in the case of safflower.
lead white oil paint becoming more transparent as it ages is probably a bigger concern, but honestly just look at all the paintings from centuries that are in good visual and structural condition.

>>6751022
>just another rabbit hole to go down and that I might end up enjoying playing without that too much to actually paint
Just to offer an alternative viewpoint, yeah, that's an issue. It must take me about 2h to grind a nuts of paint, while getting a feel for the correct amount of oil/pigment ratio, because each pigment has its own character. There's also a difference in grinding: some pigments will get better the more you grind them, others might change hue or lose in saturation if you grind them too much.

And I'm using store-bought, artist-grade pigments. Working from raw material, you'd have to add some further steps, like purifying it.

It's fun to do to get a feel for it, but IMO it really makes you appreciate that someone is handling all this stuff for you, so that you can focus on actually painting.

But the paint is great tho, and you can get stuff you can hardly get otherwise, like walnut-mixed colors.

>>6751025
zinc flakes only if used in abundance. If you use zinc to mix it with other colors, you should be ok.

>>6751074
Michael Harding has genuine lapis lazuli and vermillion, if you want to try them.

>>6751170
no one sells good lapis lazuli like you find in old paintings. it would be even more expensive. and i meant to say cinnabar vermilion, from actual mineral.

>>6751185
You're such a fucking cunt. I'm telling you they have it, and you don't even bother checking but just dismiss my claim. Here you go anyways:

> A rich, potent colour favoured by the Old Masters, my Genuine Chinese Vermilion is made from the real Mercuric Sulphide. This is not a ‘hue’, as you will find in other manufacturers’ ranges. The body and texture of my Genuine Chinese Vermilion is unparalleled in the industry. This is a paint coveted not only by the Old Masters but by Modern Masters as well. Our Chinese Vermillion is made with native, natural cinnabar, purified to a degree where it has robust resistance to general gallery conditions and is only subject to change when exposed to direct sunlight or the presence of chlorine compounds, as with true historical vermilions. This is an extraordinary colour that cannot be achieved by using a cadmium.

>>6740178
We should’ve listened

>>6751315
It's upon us.

>>6751185
>>6751311
Cinnabar seems to be here, but $200 for 50g https://www.naturalpigments.com/cinnabar-pigment.html

Dunno what their lapis is worth ($140 for 50g): https://www.naturalpigments.com/lapis-lazuli-pigment.html.. I've bought some watercolor from Daniel Smith and was rather disappointed (it's essentially marketing)

GUYS. I don't want to be *that* guy, but how about we stop nerding on pigments and actually build some skills ALLRIGHT.

My latest work in progress

>>6751428
Looks great, I would add more color distinction between the sand touching the water however.
Love the sky

>>6751428

Would love to see a little more effect of atmospheric perspective on hte buildings amd fences

I really enjoy watercolor now. I dont know what happened. Something switched in my brain and what was once frustrating is now motivating to work on. You can make ANY color, the sky is the limit.

I havent figured out how to go super dark though. The paper is always showing through so it seems rather difficult to get some big contrast in. Maybe just throw down some ink wash or something?

>>6751638
tableguy is back! Love that painting btw

>>6751638
The tableguy glow up. We’re all gonna make it

>>6751074
I've thought about doing some arsenic ones, I've got some realgar and orpiment in a box somewhere. Originally was going to mix it with some copper to make bronze, but that's probably much more unhealthy with the fumes and all, versus grinding it up and mixing with oil lol.

>>6751777
Whatever the fuck you’re talking about is so not the point of this general. Like can you read the description for what this is in the OP.

>>6751815
Technically traditional paints/pigments are a key component to producing traditional works of art.
I'd love to see a comparison between true emerald green and the modern phthalo based shit.

>>6751815
shut up fag

>>6752050

He's right though. There's an art supply thread up right now where that it is more appropriate to discuss how to best contract yourself cancer and not really get a usable paint.

>>6751777
Doomsday prepper tier idiocy.

>>6751815
>>6752074
>>6752114
fuck off back to r*ddit /r/artistslounge where you get banned instantly for mentioning lead white. nigger

>>6752114
trump 2024

>>6752438

Nigger i purchased genuine naples yellow from overseas because it’s banned in my nanny state. It’s just getting old to see the trad thread being shat up by a schizo talking about what he’s thinking to concoct but never actually paints anything.

>>6752564
Oh god buzzwords help my eyes ahhhhh

>>6752564
Fr like who are these weird paint alchemists and why are they here and do they ever make art

>>6752774
Does anyone here actually make art aside from Brian?

>>6752787

try looking at the thread fag

>>6752787
Just coming home from a quick plein air gouache sketch. Happy with it, but I never pmw here. Lots of us do stuff besides Brian, he's just the most "verbose" around [at least, for as long as Jimmy's away]

>>6752950
Also a lot of stuff that isn’t mine people credit to me in this thread

Staff Sergeant Reckless, done from the photo.
SP stands for Shitty Painter.
Dare I ask for some feedback?

>>6753078
This is just too ambitious for your current skills anon. Try to make about 10 distinct composition studies, using no more than 3, 4 or 5 values, see what you can come up with

>>6753037

Can someone help me identify this painting? I believe it's young Heracles/Hercules and Pholus. This seems like the right place to ask.

>>6753821

It's not, read the OP

Working on this now

I'm the value guy from /beg/. I followed the proko tips but seem unable to escape the dirty lights effect or have weak reflections. The reference is in the reply.

>>6754707

>>6754707
Draw bigger; set a timer to spend at least 2h on it;work from life.

Before that, learn to make perfectly flat, uniform small patches (say, squares) of graphite.

>>6754423
Keep going.

>>6754707
learn to draw first. then learn some values and gradients. like you cant even make an ellipse without massive chickenscratch. you dont need a reference egg for this either. just pick a lightsource and apply the shadow to the sphere/egg/cube/whatever basic object you are learning lightsources for. you arent good enough to be trying to learn this way. do the basic fundamental practice first. then draw from real life.

>>6754908
Do you learning from stuff likes Keys to Drawing instead, or some other resource until I gain the skills to learn from these studies? Anything you recommend in particular(apart from what I could find in /beg/ sticky, of course)

>>6738083
Would really appreciate some crit on this. Tree of life tattoo I’m working on for my sis. Was already told that the upper branches don’t all look tree like and that the heart at the bottom isn’t natural. Looking for crit/help regarding rendering, line weight, bottom roots, etc. I also have absolutely no idea what I’m gonna do for the leaves considering the style I stuck with so any recommendations there would be super helpful

>>6754707
If that is meant to be the same value pattern as the photo of the egg in the hand, then your values are wrong.
Separate values into two piles, everything in the light, and everything in the shadow.
Nothing can be in both piles-that's the muddy look you get in pictures.
See here.

>>6754707
>>6754925
In your drawing, you need to strengthen the divide between the light and dark.
The shadow cast one the hand is darker than yo have shown it.
Reflected light is NEVER as light as it is seems when you keep staring into it. Remember, it is still a DARK.
Always *squint*

>>6754918
Not him (I'm >>6754855).

Working from simple volumes from life is okay as a beginner. You'll make mistakes, that's part of the process. The main issue is that you've rushed it.

For resources, entry-level Bargue plates are great;it's mostly an exercise in patience.

>>6754920
FWIW, as is, it has more of a creepy-vibe (halloween tree) rather than a tree of life vibe. If you can, make some tree studies from life. For leaves, try to keep it simple. Generally, speaking, Guptill has a bunch of advises on drawing trees. I would head there.

>>6754933
>>6754925
The light/shadow family separation has been respected. It's a noisy drawing though, because of the lack of control over graphite, poor line quality, and unrefined edges.

>>6745116
i unironically thought you were already quite well off from the masses of paintings sold. I dig your style. looks unfinished but purposely, it keeps some energy and looseness

>>6754968
Yes the values aren't bad, but I think the not highlighting the occlusion shadow makes it look less banging than it could be.

>>6754968
It’s funny you say that because I did actually do some studies before starting the piece. Predictably though, they’re also creepy looking. I suppose it’s just my style at this point

>>6754968
Also, who is Guptill? Looked on YouTube and Google and couldn’t find anything relating to this name or trees. Thanks for the help also

>>6755019
he was a mediocre artist who made a pen and ink instructional book with mediocre pieces in it, but begs love him because instead of searching for actually inspiring pen and ink pieces to analyze they can just look at a compilation of exercises. his works look like tacky pen and ink filters of photographs.

>>6754978
I’m broker than a bitch, hate to disappoint. Sometimes I make a lot of money but I just give it away to people because making money on art feels retarded and my friends have real jobs

>>6755142
Brian I will be sincere, you are a mid/good artist that will pass on to history as being that weird 4chan schizo who posted his nude paintings on ic threads.
You will be a phenomenon when you die of self pity or in a tragic way. Millenials will hoard your paintings as they cause furor in their social media and post comments on your latest instagram post saying how in-comprehended you were and how nice was the loose brushstroke you had.

Best of luck.

>>6755153
Sounds kinda gay but okay can’t wait. Be like when girls are like “I woulda let Van Gogh fuck my ass he was such a nice guy” on Instagram. Like damn if only he was around now so sad :(

>>6745116
You know what? I'll give you $2 for that painting.

>>6752787

Sigh... I'm WORKING on it, Anon.

It's just taking longer than I expected.

>>6755214
I’ll take it

>>6750609
thanks, I appreciate your honest opinion, and corrected the mistake of the hand I gave more depth to the shadow

>>6755153
Just listen to The Curse by Josh Ritter. That’s Brian

>>6755252
hey anon. I think we're different from the rest of /ic/ here, I think everyone legit wants to contribute to the small community we are with honest, constructive feedback. So yeah, you're welcome, and whenever you post again, keep in mind that people here are legit trying to help (most of the time)

>>6755409
This is the last place they’ll look for us. This is where we hide

>>6738104
Awesome stuff

>>6751428
STOP using lamp black or whatever desaturated turd you use for your dark tones. Mix something with deep blues and purples for shadow tones, especially for soft lighting like the sunset.

hi guys, what do you think?

>>6755843
delightful desu

>>6755843
Great composition of space, and values. The contrast with the red and blue is quite stunning. Not sure what the grey butterfly and clouds are about. But the technique is very refined. Great brushwork

>>6755843

i wish the blue border and the rest of the pic wasn't so messy. Maybe use some masking tape and redo it.

>>6755420
great film. Any frame of that movie would make a great painting. I wanna paint the intro scene, the old, worn out chair with the cotton balls and needles

>>6755015
The emphasis on the trunks plays for it I guess

>>6755019
Guptill's a famous instructor from the 50s maybe? He wrote a book "Rendering in pen & ink", which is kinda Le reference. Alphonso Dunn wrote one recently, it's not bad, but not as complete and diverse as Guptill's.

>>6755108
This is the most retarded take I've saw on Guptill and his book.
> but begs love him because instead of searching for actually inspiring pen and ink pieces to analyze they can just look at a compilation of exercises
Maybe half of the illustrations in his book are from established inkers and architects and not from him.

>>6755843
Fun

>>6755748
It's paynes grey mostly. The brand I'm using is Graham, so technically the mix is primarily based on an ivory black pigment. Similar regardless.
One of my original goals with this piece was to experiment creating the ocean with a palette that avoided blue, but I think I get where you're coming from.

Perhaps next time I'll avoid black entirely.

I'm studying values by drawing from life

>>6755974
Very good work Anon, I just feel that the shadow should be one dark value instead of what you did

>>6755986
thanks, could be misjudgement on my part because it had very strong reflected light from white light

>>6751638
Tried some new stuff with wet on wet. It’s quite difficult. Im having trouble creating different sized blobs of color. Everything is the same smallish kind of chunk size.

>>6751696
>>6751660
This is my home now. A vagrant. Passing by in /trad/ like some caveman

>>6755974
Good work. For the next one, consider a deep red apple next to a bright yellow lemon.

>>6756010
It's likely that your eyes were right, and that you've correctly depicted what was in front of you. In which case, as a value study, it's good.

Then, when you're doing a piece of art, not a value study, there's an amount of artistic license that you can apply, and you can choose to alter reality to fit some discourse.

>>6754933
The drawing got a little better with time, but it still has the flaws y'all put out, and in retrospect the reflected light in this version is still too light.

>>6756126
You can look up to >>6755974.

Go slower.

>>6755974
That’s the way to do it

>>6751638
the opacity is just part of the process, like acylics, you sometimes need more than one coat or pass. You can lessen the water to pigment ration too, essentially painting with a more loaded brush.

>>6738083
I've got a bunch of cheap cardstock along with a nib holder and some traditional nibs, however when I try to ink they keep ripping small pieces from the paper and throwing off my lines. Is this more due to the quality of the paper or the nibs? What kind of multimedia paper would you guys recommend for both inks and watercolors?

>>6756541
I encountered that kind of issues with writing nibs. Drawing nibs worked fine. Tried on two papers, one rather cheap, the other more expensive but thin;same results with both

>>6756541
Yeah it’s the paper. I recently upgraded to paper that isn’t copy paper and my life has improved significantly. Copy paper has really bad feathering and you have to dehydrate your ink a lot to keep it from tearing the paper fibers. Even generic multimedia sketchbook paper was better for ink. You have to clean the nib before each dip with wet tissues to clear out the paper fibers and dried ink.

For watercolor I have only used hot press 140gsm arches watercolor block. The inking is perfect and it can handle quite a bit of abuse from erasing before watercoloring, and it has been the smoothest for watercolor so far. I am looking for cheaper alternatives though.

>>6757308

Keep at it. I do think you are getting into your lightest lights a little early. That's always very tempting but it's better to develope the darks and midtones a bit more before it.

>>6757467
you mean the reflection on the forehead and the beard? Yeah, I think I agree with you.

>>6745416

Monster Parade.

Inkwash and marker on watercolor paper.

Drawing two subjects with with same local value was quite difficult

Are iridescent oil pigments any good?

>>6758661
came out well. was nice seeing progress over time from your posts. only issue i have is you should have more contrast on foreground and background. they are very similar considering massive distance difference. also, the foreground has limited variance in shapes. same couple leaves in half circle. no directionality. flattens everything into one same-same pattern. look at front of parade - those little weeds are identical straight across to the big patches. same stroke smake the bushes. only the very bottom right has any variance with some 3 dimensionality to give a bush-like feel and the one tree branch going up the side of page. the rest are identical shape and form. same pattern. same shapes. ive attached a simple example of foliage silhouettes from painting. thesea re commonly used to fill in grass, bushes, backgrounds. imagine an entire section made with just one of these. it would standout. typically you want to have multiple of these types of shapes to add diversity to the foliage. additionally, a lot of your brush shapes for leaves flatten too much and are 'fat'. they dont form leaf or foliage end points. just brush blobs. practice more foliage types and work on the brush control more. the monsters got most of the work and attention, but having that foreground tightened up will really make it pop and its not much more effort than what you are doing. just little more focus and conscious effort to diversify the foliage types/patterns. otherwise excellent job.

>>6756044
>>6751638

These look awesome

Faces, expressions, working while traveling

>>6761425
I mean... I'd recommend you try doing the Loomis Heads book first.

>>6758815
That garlic looks pretty good though, nice job.

>>6756274
She got a fat pussy lol.

>>6761425
symbol drawing. loomis or at least start with individual parts like learning to draw an eye or nose or mouth. do pages of like 100 per page type stuff. you really just need to focus on fundamentals. lines and basuc shapes. stop with full faces and trying to render shadow.

Current wip. Can’t tell if the antlers really look like antlers anymore after staring at it for house so would love some texture/overall contrast feedback

I get such Eastern European vibes from the trad thread. Are all of you Slavs I can’t tell

>>6761655
I'm le Western Europe frog.

Traditional classic and some comic book look best

Oil is too because of difficulty

>>6761655
I'm a dirty south american living in Europe

>>6761655

I'm a Western yuropoor. Our art education sucks ass here.

>>6761655
American, but my Ancestors are from Eastern Europe and Spain... and possibly France.

These might be too cartoony for this thread, but I started doing studies of Moby Francke for his line discipline and understanding of value.

>>6763247

Working in this

>>6763271
I'm unwilling to encourage you to go further.

>>6763247
>>6763249
Slow down. Practice your handling of graphite: learn how to make uniform/regular patches of tone/hatches. Use the side of the pencil more than the tip, draw using all your arm, not just the wrist.

Cubes and spheres are good starting point. Then work on individual facial features. Then move on to a full face.

Is it a good idea to learn oil pastels as a /beg/? As a low effort, fun thing. I like that they are convenient and there is a limited color selection, and it seems like even the way the medium behaves is limited.

The con is that there aren't much resources other than youtube videos and maybe books I can find, but I figure I should mostly treat them like soft pastels. Any good resource would be appreciated.

>>6761425
Moar hedz

Did a very simple drawing to practice laying even tone; the graphite tends to bleed out of the lines no matter how slow I go with the pencil. Is this a result of mixing pencil grades or excessive speed or something else?

>>6764684
Random Max Stirner in the top left?

>>6764135
>Is it a good idea to learn oil pastels as a /beg/?
No. Pastels are best used by expert hands, I think more than any other medium.

They may feel like a low effort medium, because they're handled by people who know exactly how to use them efficiently: they know what kind of shortcuts they can take to achieve their intended results.

Same thing as watching watercolorists like Zbukvick: it looks easy, you can pull off a 50×70cm painting in maybe 1h or 2h. But it takes years of training to get there, and everything is fine-tuned.

If you want to relax anything is fine tho, but don't expect systematic good results for a while.

>>6764805
That's just you being careless. Try again and be more cautious. Pay attention to the tip of your pencil.

does this suck so far

>>6763194
this is awesome
>>6764805
Is it just because your pencil isn't sharp enough? If its not it could be that the tip is irregular and not touching the paper exactly where you think it is.

>>6764829
>does this suck so far
not at all
it's great

>>6764829
it looks like you spent more time on the background than anything else. need a lot more lawyers on the girl. its like shes stuck in the same plane as the wall. completely flattened the image with how youve done this. it can be saved though.

>>6764829
It's good; ambitious

>>6764829
You overworked the face but that’s not necessarily bad. That’s a technique that has been done to great effect, mainly Ingres. Ingres theory on portraits was to idealize the face and make it as attractive as possible, to the point of caricature, but if everything else in the piece was realistic you’d “believe” the face. So the fabric, interior, etc, was painted to a high degree of realism, and your mind would have no choice but to believe the faces.

I don't like the muddy values and wobbly lines. How can I get closer to photorealism? I'm painting in gouache.

>>6738213
this is my favorite of yours

>>6749529
I like it this way with the face more finished, because naturally we're drawn to faces and spend more time looking at them

bumping w bargue

>>6740173
You're painting makes me happy in a way I haven't felt in a long time. Thank you for sharing it

>>6764684
sorry for the mouse shit but you got some issues here mate

>>6765411
Thank you. My basic shapes and the perspectives of them are weak I agree. NICE swastika btw

>>6765329
Clean, precise, arousing. That's a nice study, buddy.

>>6765329
thumb is a little off, but overall very nice.

>>6765329
Is there any stuff like Bargue's but for drawing animals?

>>6763271
Please no.

>>6765329
Here's a few indications: pay attention to

- the reflected light/shape around the middle of the index finger
- the contour (arm) line. It's subtle but not random (nothing is random on a Bargue plate)
- the length of the slanted, top-left contour ("arm" line), that is essentially parallel to the fingers.

If I were you, I wouldn't bother fix that last point given where you are right now: it's just to help you develop your sensitivity.

Good work tho, it's (very) promising. Make sure you *don't* use sight-size for the next one. Sight-size is really a bad habit to take.

>>6765020
I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2q9ZJMaAU the other day. At some point, the background painter stated that upon arrival in the company, he spent two weeks mastering the gradation technique for the sky, and that it's the most difficult aspect of the work.

There's also the "tilling" method taught by Watts. It's a bit cumbersome, but can get you there, albeit very slowly.

There are little tricks, you should discover them naturally with practice. For a value study in gouache, you did a good job so far.

>>6765910
There are one or two Pantheon horses head in the set. But mostly no. However, you can easily transfer what you learn doing the plates to any subjects.

How do you force yourself to slow down? Even with conscious thought towards making long, purposeful strokes rather than the chicken scratch I was doing earlier, I still ended rather quick and even compromised the light-dark family separation on the bowl.

>>6766711
>How do you force yourself to slow down?
Willpower I guess. After a while, you get in "the zone", and it gets easier. The more you practice, the better you get, the easier it is to get to "the zone".

Try making things more enjoyable for yourself.

Work on a full sheet of paper, make yourself comfortable, brew a tea, have some nice moody music, set a 1h timer (I like longer, 1h30/2h sessions, personally), pick some beautiful, relatively simple drawing to copy, and take a stab.

At your stage, focus on copying existing work more than working from life. Bargue plates are great. Try to be very cautious and precise, aim at spending say, 10h on a plate in total or something.

>>6766711
It looks as if you're in the very early days.
These things take time, Grasshopper. Just keep going.

>>6756274
https://youtu.be/vik-7MjKDa0

>>6758815
i gar like this

>>6767511
Ok mr krabs

>>6743167
This looks sick, man!
I like this more than the new one, though anon was right in that values were all pretty close, but not all paintings require that separation. Have you watched the first lesson of Craig Mullins of Schoolism in which he talks about values and gives an example of what you are doing, close to the work of L. Freud?. It is worth checking out...

Did you use a reference or was it live? It looks pretty sexy...

>>6767815
That’s the wonderful young woman I lived with for a year. She was great! This is the finished version

>>6767819
Why's it marked 2022?

>>6766711
The problem is that when you slow down you would want to first solve proportions, going from scratches to 'purposeful strokes', only then you will care about light and darkness.

You are scratching without solving the first part of a long drawing. By consciously checking if proportions are right you will do the first step right.

Post if you want a demostration.

>>6767842
Cause I sign paintings before I finish them like an idiot. Sometimes I’ll cross out the year and write the new one which might be more retarded I’m not sure. I did that on this one. Sometimes my paintings take 2-3 years to finish, idk. It just means I started a painting I didn’t have the proper perspective to complete, it can take a year or two to find out what your painting was actually about.

>>6767855
It’s why I don’t paint as much anymore, I just do sketches. Painting isn’t fun, usually you have to sift through painful memories when doing it, especially if they’re of people you know. You’re rarely painting a real version of someone you don’t truly understand, you’re just painting your idea of them.

>>6767862
you're a weird guy brian

>>6767855
Interesting. I have the opposite problem. I don't want to sign anything until I'm done, but then eventually I give up and declare paintings good enough, often forgetting to sign them entirely.

>>6767865
>weird
>still drawing zunechan years later

bruh

>>6767887
I did some damn good art of her though. At some point you realize you can’t paint a woman you’ve never met in person. It’s so consequence free. There’s a real “Take my wife, please” quality to art of women you’ve been close to. If me and Catt had ever lived together and she’d done some traumatic female shit to me then sure my art of her would probably be way better, but I’m just not in a position to willingly put myself in prison anymore. I’ll just a real cat, they’re better anyways. Less expensive.

>>6767902
also i just never paint white women in person. idk why i just dont, just never comes together. I feel uncomfortable around them.

>>6764135
If you're into it go for it!

>>6763194
Awesome work, love the colours you've gotten into the shoulders.

>>6756044
Gorgeous, would love to see your pencils before the inking if you have any :3

>>6761655
yes
its cos huffing paint fumes and blowing paychecks on art supplies when even baby tubes are like 90$ is inherently masochistic and in line with the slavic motif of suffer endlessly

>>6764135
If you're into it go for it!

>>6763194
Awesome work, love the colours you've gotten into the shoulders.

>>6756044
Gorgeous, would love to see your pencils before the inking if you have any :3

>>6767911
White ladies are out of your league, Bri.

>>6768056
Good

>>6767819
Hey Brian. I'm the anon that said something about your value composition/handling in a previous thread, related to this or a very similar painting. My main criticism was that your values are pretty much the same all over the picture, and I suggested you look for more variety, a more interesting value structure.

I put you up against Rubens here just because your pic reminded me of that one (same subject, pretty similar pose, just inverted). To be fair, Rubens' figure could have a lot more shadow in some parts, but at least he's using dark values around the figure to generate contrast. Notice how the darkest dark (shadow under her) and the lightest light (white sheet by her breast) are not on the figure but rather framing it. One could argue that you do the same (lightest light would be the white sheet by her knee, darkest dark either the hair or the shadows under the pillow), but due to how you apply paint, your values are never a solid mass but rather loose brushstrokes, which kinda lose effect when it comes to contrast.

Anyways, love your work, just trying to help and maybe generate some constructive discussion. Keep at it, buddy.

Work in progress.

I have a headache...

>>6768066
Ehhhhh my two counterpoints to this as my defense are

>my model had a darker complexion which changes how value structures work compared to models that are, quite literally, white
and
>my solution to models with medium complexions is often to break up the background with stippling and texture that fluctuates in value while the figure itself stays relatively flat

>>6768496
even just taking Olympia by Manet as an example of this, Olympia herself is painted in practically pure white paint, even compositionally the woman with the darker complexion and her can only exist together because their skin tones are so dichotomous. For the most part I do not paint women who are on either end of that spectrum. Women I paint tend to have more medium complexions. In paintings that are of darker or lighter women I solve those compositional problems differently.

>>6768504
examples of my work that follow these rules

lighter skin, darker background

>>6768508
darker skin, lighter background

>>6768511
so on and so forth ad infinitum. depends on lighting, skin color, hair color, pose, etc. etc.

>>6768496
Not the same anon who provided the feedback but the point of critique is put your work into crisis. Assimilate the points of criticism into your work and respond with your technique. Counterpoints are pure ego.

https://youtu.be/Y_H1LcnqZWY&t=2m30s

>>6764684
een meer

Painted a surreal sort of village. Didn't really consider perspective at all, thought it added a bit. Would love some feedback. I really need more practice with the paint, how to control the line thickness, how much pigment and so on. Any resources on that?

>>6769483
I'd have it on my wall.

>>6769483
gorgeous

>>6767911
I don’t always like your art, but what’s weird about all your paintings is it’s never about anything violent or off putting. There’s a lot I can critique about the style or the composition but your subject matter is almost never taboo or distasteful. Sometimes it’s a little too revealing about your… interests… but that’s just your personal taste. If you like breasts that’s not offensive really, maybe a little embarrassing for you but nothing like what I see other artists painting on twitter or in galleries. Women bleeding from their eyes but their eyes are vaginas or whatever. Maybe your style is too vague to even make art like that, I’m not sure.

>>6770278
Like I could never see Brian painting this. Maybe he can’t, but I don’t think he would even if he was able to.

>>6770278
>If you like breasts that’s not offensive really, maybe a little embarrassing
I hope anon doesn't find out I also like breasts, I would be so embarrassed
have you really never met another painter who only wants to draw half-naked women?

>>6770600
I like to sug on 'em

>>6770674
I want to sug

>>6765486
>that infowars pic related

Fugg reminds me of the time 9 years ago i saw one of these info wars cronies doing on the street interviews when i was a student at the university of tx. He was asking whether millenials knew their bill of rights, most people did not know. Fwiw i ended up saying most if not all of them but my dumb ass started the conversation by "clarifying" to make sure we were talking about the same thing, something you do in philosophy arguments. Anyways I ended up talking to this guy for 20 minutes and eventually just felt awkward and just conceded because the dude got kinda overly passionate.
The point is, info wars edited it down to just me looking stupid and basically destroying any context, and the fucking cherry on top was that they called the video "millenials are dumb slaves" and i was the thumbnail. So here it is, boxman, age 21:

https://youtu.be/E5ycgLZM858?t=199

Working on it

>>6768517
Serious wanting to buy some of your art..
how

>>6771025
eBay.com/str/briancomfortiart

You’re about a year and a half late to a much more insane catalog of shit to buy buts there’s still some cool stuff for sale. Idk I don’t paint nearly as much as I used to.

Tried to mix oil pastels with markers.
>>6771014
Sovl

>>6771036
Damn, wanted the sexy ladies ukno
ty tho

For being the most "serious" thread on the board, this thread has some absolutely retarded shit written in it
Whats with the pathetic dude who only draws topless women running his mouth like he thinks he's Monet?
If you only draw naked women you're no different from the kid drawing furry porn all day, doing it on a canvas doesn't make it more virtuous

>>6771211
>trad art is serious
Nobody here thinks that except you

>>6771185
Those are on Etsy and I don’t like Etsy and don’t really want people supporting them so I just list them there as like digital storage or whatever. Technically you could buy them but I don’t really want people to.

>>6771211

>>6748869
this man painted a horse and wrote "Howdy" and has not elaborated since and that was last week i think ur thinking of the porn thread if ur thinking of serious weirdos arguing with each other all day

>>6771211
Welcome to /ic/, sweet summer child. A few of us would consider moving elsewhere, to escape the insanity, the question being, where?

>>6769483
Do you have any other surrealist work?

>>6752564
Oh please tell me how did you get it shipped to Europe?
I'm dying to get my hands on some real lead white.

Gouache and watercolor pastels.

I think gouache and I have some kind of toxic codependency. I felt like I needed a piece of rawhide to bite down on while I was working on some parts of this.

But I'm pretty happy with it, overall.

>>6771729
I'm sorry man but I hate this. The water is nice but your fury OC is awful. The shading doesnt make sense for the perspective of the water. My eyes dont know what your focal point is supposed to be because the background and center piece are drawing too much attention to themselves.

>>6771238
shit ait, worth a shot
still nice pieces tho

>>6767847
I very much would, I am a retard.

>>6766082
Thanks for the feedback, anon. Painting daily is hard because wagie but I'm doing what I can.

>>6752787
Yes, but I don't post it here anymore.

>>6771554
Just buy it from Rublev, they'll ship it anywhere, Supreme Paint sell their stuff in UK.

>>6751638
Is she using two slices of cake as shoes?

I did a quick test of interference violet reusing an old sketch.
The sky was pure violet applied over a near-black underpainting. The water used mixed gradients.

Overall it seems potentially interesting. Although, it applies with a bit more opacity than I would've liked, and has the feel of titanium white.

>>6773832
Is that ballpoint?
Looks good

>>6772733
looks like something grandma would paint

>>6773842
Thanks, yea, its ballpoint

>>6773847
I just copied picrel, but I do want to be able to paint nice florals because women like them and have a lot of money

>>6773832
er du dansk? Nice drawing, where did you study? I tried the Tegneskole KBH or something like that, with that Rasmus guy. Wasn't for me though

Pencil

>>6769050
Continuing heads/faces, but now giving Hogarth head

>>6774234
Nice value control

>>6774393
Good form

>>6774393

>>6774110
det er jeg.
too bad it didnt work for you with rasmus. What was it about it that didnt work for you? I got a lot out of it myself

>>6772283

Oh, well. Can't win 'em all.

Just finished this. Made just about every bad decision that I possibly could at the start of this, but managed to salvage it.

Ink and acrylic.

>>6745116
Do you paint her from life? If not how do you manage the lighting and shadows? I never know how to inagine it properly.