/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6741099
https://youtu.be/Xb8MQLsNHJA

>>6741110

can someone give me feedback on my drapery?

Fuck everyone who draws better than me.

these op pics are fun :)

>>6741099
on page 43 of bridgeman first pass, I think I'm already seeing results in my personal drawings.
(pic is pg 27-29)

WAGMI

Did some more value studies and want some crit. Actual drawing in the reply.

>>6741193

>>6741181
not sure if this is right but based on my impression I feel like the folds should curve on the form of the breast more rather than a straight line going through the breast and chest.

>>6741193
use a blending stump or your finger to get a better result. You can also you hatching method for shading if you don't want to use a stump. What pencil are you using?

>>6741213
Used a 2H for the outline, 2B and 3B for the shadows.

>>6741218
nigga you're better off buying some pic related with a B or 2B hardness to get some actual dark values and a newsprint pad and doing your value studies on those with the pencils

Man watching alot of Vilppu really helps, I love that there is like a procedural way of drawing figures. The only way that I could apply it to my drawings is repeat his sayings like a mantra outloud like I'm teaching someone else as Glenn lol.

>>6741223
>repeat his sayings like a mantra outloud like I'm teaching someone else as Glenn lol
I'm glad I'm not the only one who does this

>>6741181
Not sure what going on here.
If she's pulling on the dress the lines need to go to the point she pulling on.
If she's just lifting it up a bit the cross lines wouldn't be pulled to the side like that.

>>6741195
Too ambitious. Use monochromatic objects (sphere, cubes, eggs), make sure you've got one source of light (this was the case already).

Perhaps even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vapw6n6FyU Carefully listen, and make an precise copy of his egg drawing. You should be spending maybe 2h on this if need be. You'll get faster with time.

I forgot that this thread was /beg/ advising /beg/. Eh. We have a /trad/ thread if you want.

i don't have anything to draw

>>6741258
Draw your hands

>>6741258
Draw your cock

Is copying an entire berserk chapter a good idea?

>>6741274
yes

Am I supposed to actually understand what mr roomis is saying or should I just copy the illustrations and be done with it?

There's so much text, he talks forever

>>6741267
>>6741268

>>6741288
Female detected.

Did my Midna come out alright? I've had to redraw her right breast who knows how many times. Breasts and Perspective are two of my art weaknesses so I wanted to confront both at once in this picture

>>6741099
Based op. Was about to start my second drawing of Bridgman's book today

>>6741300
I use this shape.

>>6741286
>can't read 4 pages

>>6741286
loomis is confusing, there are better retard-friendly options out there

>>6741286
Another Attention Deficit Disorder bro? Welcome

How do you Study other Artists Works?

>>6739755
>Copy the figures, hundreds of times. You'll get better while learning basic 3d shapes, construction, skeletal structure, and figure. It's perfect, and very accessible.
How are you supposed to copy stuff like that by the way? Should I meticulously measure out every point and every line? Or just approximate to the best of my ability, focusing more on the "feel" of the shapes, even if it comes out completely wrong at first?

>>6741300
i think your shading on the breast does not convey its form. as for perspective boobs are just kind of spherical pear-like terminating in a point (nipple) try aligning those for better dimensionality. Think about what part of the breast is in light and what falls into shadow based on your lightsource.

>>6741244
She is curling the dress around her right-hand index finger and is also
squeezing it , thats why the dress is disappearing behind her palm, before
reappearing on said index finger. I admit, it's maybe a bit hard to see but I
wanted tro try something more difficult. Hopefully I described it comprehensible enough.

I want a sketchbook with very smooth white paper, what's a good one?

>>6741370
Ok well the only extra advice I would give is putting a bit of looser cloth before she stretches it with the tip of her index finger for more contrast.

>>6741387
Generally anything that’s labeled “sketch” is good.

>>6741403
Ah yes thank you great answer, exactly what I was looking for.

I'm struggling a lot with this.

>>6741327
You are not feeling the form. Try to add contour lines. Think 3d.

>>6740153
some 1p, 2p and 3p grids without mapping off-paper VPs. right side I just freehand it.

will do some more and add boxes on them

>>6741423
just draw boxes

>>6741288
Nice

>>6741286

>>6741286

>>6741430
please send examples

>>6741387
What do you have available? The Derwent sketchbooks I get from the local bookstore are clearly better than the somewhat cheaper don't-remember-the-brand ones, but I don't know what else is out there and what's considered objectively good.

>>6741117
>>6741466
how he does it. Wrap them around the body like a band wrapping around it.

>>6741286
Tiktok unironically needs to get banned

the goth girl from unicorn warriors eternal is fun to draw

>>6741471
I ended up buying 2 different ones, one with bristol paper and one 150gsm sketchbook advertised as very smooth paper, I like hatching with mechanical pencils so I really dislike grainy paper. Also I thought I was in the trad thread but realise now I am in beg so I see why this retard >>6741403 answered like he did.

>>6741258
That's impressive. I wish I could draw forms that well. Perspective is so fucking hard for me

>>6741479
based fanart chad

low effort #14, didn’t really think about accuracy on this one

Trying to learn figures in perspective, but why can I see the top of the head?
It seems like the head is vertical and not angled, but even though its above the horizon line I can see the top plane
Am I reading the horizon line wrong? Why can I see the top of the head even though its above?

>>6741478
I don't use tiktok I'm just retarded

>>6741366
bump

Back by unpopular demand: me!
Thought I'd try drawing a bat instead of an octopus today. Turns out, bats got hands, and I don't mean it literally. I kinda gave up on the wings, I fucked up the form and also had no idea how to render them in a more simplified manner. Thought the head turned out okay-ish at least, but after zooming in on the PC it looks like that ain't the case either. Oh well, there's always next time.
I'm realizing that I'm probably seriously hampering my growth by just fucking around instead of doing exercises and grinding shapes (I can only fit a long enough to be meaningful session of one or the other into the day), but this is the most fun I've had with a pencil (ha!) in months so I'll probably stick with it for now.

>>6741288
Youre going to be really sorry when your mom finds your art.

>>6741099
Is "copy Bridgman twice, the second time from memory" basically Drawabox 2.0? Seems like yet another grindhole trap where beginners just get bored or frustrated, because no beginner will be able to meaningfully copy this book, much less from memory, much less truly understanding what the fuck is going on in some of his drawings. Seems more like something to do when you're low-int.

>>6741579
>I'm realizing that I'm probably seriously hampering my growth by just fucking around instead of doing exercises and grinding shapes
lolno

>>6741572
I didn't look at your example but just read your text and I'd like to ask you this question anon, If you take two pictures of me and the only difference between them is that I look straight ahead in one and in the other I tilt my head down as far as it can go does the horizon line change? Ponder that and then get back to your zen master.

>>6741583
>lolno
Nah, I can feel it. Even though I try to pay attention to the form and try to put down my marks "properly" when I'm copying the reference, it's basically nothing compared to dedicated measuring, perspective and form exercises. Ideally I would be doing both, maybe I'll try one day of exercises and one day of just drawing.

>>6741099
Am I being HAZED?

Doing circle/ellipse drills with my screen tablet and I've realized I can only see where I'm going maybe half the time because my hands blocking my view, is there a better way of holding the pen or do I just got to deal with driving blind sometimes?

>>6741596
that is the drawback of screen tablets. there is not much you can do to vary your hand or pen position without sabotaging your drawing.
maybe see if there are settings that would allow you to offset your digital cursor position from your physical pen position 2 inches up+left or something

>>6741442
the more I try to freehand the worse it gets.
might have to do those dynamic sketching drill for a while. I'll try to do more of these tomorrow.

I just want some thoughts/critiques of the stuff ive been drawing/sketching lately.

it feels like i have an okay idea of what im doing but i think i need to go back and study anatomy, shading and faces/expressions. Also i need to draw more things from refrences because i keep ending up with the same 5 angles if i dont.

>>6741612
oh ffs

>>6741613
>>6741612
good enough to do fetish coom commissions

>>6741286
Damn, zoomers really are illiterate.

>>6741585
No the horizon line doesn't change and you're also retarded because that has nothing to do with my question

>>6741099
Sometimes I feel like I can only construct one object per scene and whenever I try more it all looks very forced together. Things just don't interact correctly.
It's especially annoying when I'm trying to sketch and I just cannot sketch everything together somehow. When it does work, it does because I've spent 4 hours on how to draw these two in interaction.
Having a background that works well with a character and objects is like impossibility to me at the moment.

Any tips on how to train that (composition?) specifically?

>>6741617
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU'RE A MOOOOOOOOOOOOOORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF MY HEAD IS ABOVE THE HORIZON LINE IN THE FIRST PICTURE AND IN THE SECOND ONE I TILT MY HEAD DOWN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT IT IS STILL ABOVE THE HORIZON LINE

>>6741622
look at the picture it's not tilted you moron
I even said "It seems like the head is vertical and not angled"

>>6741623
I'm never answering a beg question ever again rot in permabeg whores.

>>6741624
tell me this picture looks like they're not looking straight forward

>>6741572
>>6741617
>>6741623
>>6741626

you are unironically lower than 85 IQ

>>6741626
6month schizo I kneel talent is real

>>6741629
>>6741630
do you two actually think for a second that this head isn't looking straight ahead

>>6741455
Me

dont respond to the shizo

>>6741631
This is how these threads hit bump limit everyday.

>>6741631
there is something wrong with your brain

STOP REPLYING TO THE SHIZO

>>6741572
I think your horizon line is misplaced. Keep in mind that the horizon line is your line of sight not the end of the horizon.

>>6741640
I know what your eye lines mean but what the hell does the diamond mean

>>6741572
Following your reasoning you shouldn't see the top of the shoulder too lol. Humans are curves not boxes.

What am I doing wrong

>>6741645
proportions are off and some of the boxes and cylinders are kinda wonky
good job keeping the gesture while adding more form

>>6741642
but for a camera (unless it was cropped) it's the center of the image usually since that's where the camera is
>>6741644
yes but this seems like a very large amount of the top plane of the head to be seeing
>>6741638
not bait, no one has good reasoning that it's not just looking forward

>>6741642
Aren't those the same thing?

>>6741604
Better than what I can do, at least

My vision is awful

>>6741660
No, otherwise you couldn't be able to draw things taking place in the sky or underwater.

>>6741099
Is "Copy Bridgman twice" the latest meme?

"Build a visual library" Do people actually just remember every pose they draw from reference? Am I retarded or do I have aphantasia if I can't do that?

>>6741476

>>6741512
thanks, here's another one I based off a starfire pose. I keep forgetting drawing her feet is optional but I like doing it anyway.

Looking down at a drawing tablet is killing my neck. Where do I get a stand like my monitor has that rotates it and moves up and down?

>>6741572
maybe the top of her head is a bit more curved than normal, with the top coming later, and maybe she tilts her head a bit to her right, revealing slightly more of the top of her head, idk

>>6741706
I got a monitor stand used a laptop vesa tray and used velcro to tape my tablet to it

>>6741711
monitor arm i meant

>>6741699
Apparently once you use enough references eventually you'll be able to make a pose from imagination that looks decent enough

>>6741694
Frazetta did it (constructive anatomy not complete guide tho)

Do you recommend having your tablet angled more upright?

Went from PS to CSP and I can't drag and drop images onto the canvas, is this normal??

Tf i suck at painting

day 3
the last 2 days were just a warmup, this day actually got my synapses firing at max intensity
I'm gonna redo this stage tomorrow because I obviously fucked up (and it's too hard to move forward anyway)

>>6741117
is this you
>>6741258
draw my oc sensei
>>6741423
THE CENTER IS NOT AT THE CENTER
>>6741569
ill post something very useful to you in a reply to this post

Tf i stink at painting

>>6741733
I'm aware the center is not at the center, which is what I'm bothered by my vision being so fucking awful. My cubes are terrible too because I'm a complete worthless fucking retard

>>6741613
I hope this is a good critique

I feel like a lot of the issues I have with your drawings stem from the proportions of the art. You have some genuine attention to detail a lot of artists like me lack. You keep the finished products clean which is nice,
however your characters do suffer from baby leg syndrome.

If that is something you actually want in art I would go read Alfie by Incase and study how they draw the hobbit characters because I enjoy that art style quite a lot.

You faces also go too far up the head. I shrunk the face on the right and spaced the eyes out, which made the character look cuter to me.

Honestly if you just shrink the heads and elongate the legs you will improve instantly. Certainly do some studies of real people along with art styles you like

>>6741737
oh... youre that guy... forger i ever responded
>>6741733

>>6741735
Values are actually pretty decent, use a bigger brush.

getting the hang of this "sketching" thing

>>6741694
https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

Is it alright if i draw human figures by sorta "sculpting" them out of a mess of lines and then erasing what's left unecessary?
I'm a pre-beg so idk if that's an acceptable technique and i'd rather not form some stupid habits that'll fuck me over later on,

>>6741369
Alright, I think I got it now
>>6741771
Bro we call that "sketching", literally any process that isn't tracing or AI is fine if the end result looks good

Todays 10m studies/gesture

I have no consistent way of copying/constructing these, I start with the head and then put a action line, then I just start drawing the contours and eyeball it, probably a bad idea, but every time I use an egg shape or other methods of construction I find myself not being accurate enough because the base egg shape itself was not accurately presenting the torso of the reference

>>6741801
Read Figure drawing design and invention by Michael Hampton

>want to make drawing
>visualize it in my head
>realize it's likely beyond my skill level
I can literally see the entire drawing in my head but I know I won't be able to do it how I want because I'm not good enough. Does anyone else have this problem?

My shoulders are so fucked, it makes drawing a lot harder

>>6741809
You can't see it in your head though. You see the rough vision of it, if you could really see it there would be no problem to just copy it straight from your mental image.

The problem is that we think we know what we want to draw and we do, but to channel that into a canvas is really hard and requires a step by step building process, like you would build a house.

What helps me is just creating rough thumbnail sketches of what I have in mind

>>6741814
>he doesn't realize he has aphantasia

>>6741759
based.

>>6741824
It's joever. The concussion I had when I was 10 killed my creativity.

Can I get some crit for my figures?

>>6741099
No problem, right?

>>6741876
you skip out on hands pussy
>>6741877
you've been drawing this shit for a month now

>>6741876
Vilppu manual + vilppu lectures.

>>6741883
Yeah, it's sad that I've been very busy with work.
I could hardly have 4 hours of drawing time every week

Still, I'd rather not stop

>>6741652
Oh ok I can see it, the cylinders are so bad wtf. Am i going to have to draw a bunch

>>6741876
if you wanted to focus on perspective as part of this you should draw out the perspective construction of at least a box around part of the figure or something.
it doesn't seem like you have good awareness of the eye level, try plotting the eye level and some of the vanishing points on the eye level to start.

>>6741891
not either anon but what's wrong with the cylinders? some of them have the circle plane showing both sides but I think that's fine if thats just them drawing through both sides?

>>6741923
I did for some (there's a tiny red dot on the arrow guys chest), I'll try to be more conscious of it though
is it worth making the boxes around things like arm/leg cylinders? did a few already
>>6741883
I was trying to focus on the bigger masses so I could focus on that more than the small hand details
>>6741884
I've gone through some a long time ago (mostly the early ones like gesture), is there a particular part I should focus on

Tips, opinions, anything vros? give me your worst. I can't tell if i'm experiencing dunning Krueger but I feel like my art is dogshit

>>6741877
>>>6741099 (OP) #
>No problem, right?
Wrong

>>6741877
right figure needs more butthole and puffy vulva.

>>6741877
why is ryza missing a nipple

>>6741978
Got it

>>6741979
I posted a censored version I prepared for /a/ thread

>>6741933
not really sure about boxes around arms and legs, if you feel like it helps

Hello beg. Today i couldnt draw much. Man learning figure drawing will be massive pain. I can tell.

>>6741937
cute shota, weak drapery but with such simple style it can get a pass. neck could be thicker but again a lot of anime make pencil necks
>>6741877
i would say her head is too low, isnt pussy higher?
>>6741809
less thinking, more drawing
>>6741771
i would have to actually see your work to give any opinion about it. but you didnt PYW. typical permabeg behavior: not PYWing
>>6741735
thumbs up
>>6741720
i have mine dead flat on the table. but then again i am screenless digichad with maxxed out ergonomic setup
>>6741633
pretty cool
>>6741619
sounds like some overthinking bullshit to me. are you saying you are incapable of drawing still life AKA few items scattered on a table? PYW!
>>6741613
your clothes have 3-2 values but your skin has flat 1 value. That is unacceptable, especially for coom pieces. Introduce more values for skin
>>6741596
screenless chads dont have this problem
>>6741581
i mean it is clearly not a beg book but imho anything is better than grinding cubes
>>6741579
kinda cool but not rendered enough to get thumbs up
>>6741423
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n135
>>6741366
if you are asking questions like these its painfully obvious you are turbo beg and loomis is too hard book for you. give a book like keys to drawing a try. Afterwards you will be able to stomach loomis easily
>>6741340
you copy them
>>6741466
imagine if begs actually did keys to drawing
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/134
>>6741195
the idea is there, the execution is painfully beg. Keep drawing it will get better. Btw the body of that spray is cylinder but you draw it like its cube
>>6741187
lets GOOOOO
>>6741181
not rendered enough to give any meaningful crit. successful drapery is ALL about how you render the forms

>>6741991
i dont wanna be a prick but if you have time to mass reply you're not in a situation where you "couldnt draw much"

>>6741993
I wouldn't take the shitposter seriously

>>6741937
i really like this style. socials?

>>6741099

stupid question:
should I use my gunpla as mannequin? I mean it works for drawing robots but will that teach me bad habits for drawing people?

>>6741982
Im obviously a beg but I thought if you rotated a box away from being completely vertical the points that the lines meet at would come off of the horizon line?

>>6742015
yes, that should be correct.

>>6741099
busty cat girl, i never draw this boy type, plz give me advice. I also have this other drawing from today in need of critique

>>6742020
other doodle

Guides/resources for skulls? Preferably one where it's broken down into simple forms.

How do I know if I'm actually getting anything from Bridgman?

>>6742010
Do you know what's worse than bad drawing habits? No drawing habits. Use it and see what happens.

>>6742028

you know what
why the fuck not
thanks anon

>>6741937
breddy gud, but the lines across the chest flatten the form. Otherwise, great job.

Does this mannequin feel very stiff to you?

Even if he's a shitposter the mass replier in any art thread seems to never reply to ME specifically and it's pissing me off. Not just in /ic/, but /trash/ and even /v/. Genuinely what the fuck is his problem, this has happened like five times now
>>6742020
She's very cute but her eyes are are a smidge too big and her eyebrows are a little too high up, doesn't leave any room in her skull for a brain. Otherwise not bad at all, refine it and keep at it

>>6742083
oh you mean pawell?
He replied to me a couple times (usually positively) but he usually doesn't which pissess me off, i wonder if he thinks its just too shit to comment or he has nothing to add or whatever

>>6742027
after studying about a certain part of the body such as the arm, try to draw an arm from imagination, if you succeed it is because you are absorbing knowledge
also, try to écorché images of models to see if you are able to identify the muscles

>>6742090
Is that his name? If so, yes. Genuinely I think I've gotten like one reply from him and it wasn't even a comment on my art, it was just some question about what I wrote with my picture completely ignored. Any other time just IGNORED entirely. What the hell? A lot of times he'll even reply to both the post above and below mine, so mine HAS to be skipped over. It pisses me off more than outright being mean to my stuff. Hell, usually the people that are mean have a "solution" that's far less skilled than what I drew, so I can dismiss it as shitposting/jealousy. People that criticize, but with a positive and helpful spin are usually better than me, and show it with example. With him, I get NOTHING. I have no clue if he loves or hates me and it drives me crazy.

>>6742099
he's a chuddie so if you draw anything interesting he might ignore it out of principle

I think I'm getting this "exaggerate the gesture" thing.

>>6742121
Bottom right would be genuinely great for some kind of horror, fits right in with Meatcanyon's art

>>6742121
Unironically no

>>6742099
Which one's yours?

>>6742130
That's attention whoring, I don't want to do that only make a point

Can someone please help me which direction her torso is facing?

>>6742147
Her torso is facing almost completely straight forward, angled just MAYBE 5 or so degrees. You're just thrown off because she's leaning to the right/her left which makes her boob sag just a bit in that direction. Boobs and shoulders are bad reference points for torsos because they move a lot. Use things like the navel, neck, hips, and the ribs as visual anchors. Also, her head is tilted slightly to her right side, but eyes are facing perfectly forward.
It's just part of the lesson that you have to draw what you truly SEE, not what you THINK you see. "Don't trust your eyes" is bullshit boomerisms, "Trust your eyes and ONLY your eyes" is the real answer No preconceived notions, only the abject reality. There's too much going on with the sketch that's wrong it would be faster and more productive to erase it and start over.

do any of you guys tell people irl that youre an artist? how do they react? a lot of people get really surprised when i say i draw/paint so im wondering if has to do with the way i look or something.

>>6742162
I say "I just doodle now" or show some dumb low-effort meme doodle because if I tell the truth "I like furry art" I at least better be at the level where it's furry art I can show off (that isn't porn). I mean, furry is cringe but poorly-drawn furry is just super cringe.

>>6742147
The other guy is right, it's hard to see the landmarks on that model cause she's doughy as hell. I'd recommend using references of athletes and body builders, stuff like that and work backwards towards normal people from there.

Any advice on what I should do with the coloring or is it good as is? (im going to add a background and such later)

>>6742170
soul
>>6742163
souless

don't particularly like what I've got, but it's what I've managed to draw in the past day. I need to study fundamentals more

Horsie

>>6742161
Thank you anon, to be honest I haven't drawn from life in a while, it's still difficult for me to try and copy them as best as I can, been just copying artists I like for a bit now.
>Use things like the navel, neck, hips, and the ribs as visual anchors
Is that pretty much 'landmarks' thing that most teachers use to help with anatomy?
I guess I'll just stick with copying still for now then, hopefully to build muscle memory for figures.

>>6742171
So use skinny people essentially as reference? Ones where you can clearly see anatomy? Thank you

>>6742194
Honestly she's fine as an anatomical reference. I'd say take a break to clear your head then go back to it. The lighting is good, she's fairly toned, and there's no visual clutter. I'm not getting out my tablet again to redline becuase I'm way too tired but I can tell you a couple of things to keep in mind, but OBSERVE them. Don't merely take my word for it.
>you drew her upper body with a lot of curvature. but really, her outer ribcage forms almost a perfect rectangle. Look at the line from her armpit to her waist, from those points it's almost perfectly straight
>opposite problem with standing leg. You drew the outer edge perfectly straight, when in reality it curves slightly inward toward her knee.
>"floating" leg doesn't curve much at all, you drew it pretty round
>her belly button isn't directly over the "v" of her groin like it would be it she stood up in anatomical position (perfectly straight, palms outward)
>waist is simply not the extreme. Sorry, I know it's hot but woman rarely have those super defined hourglass waists without some form of flattering clothing. In the nude, woman are usually pretty boxy, too. Hourglass waists can look good in drawing, but you have to know what you're doing with anatomy before you can "play" with it.
>her foot should be higher up. Compare it to the relationship between her knee. Draw everything in relation to another part, when done correctly everything just fits together.

>>6742163
Why delete it?

>>6742212
probably because some asshole called it soulless and it scared the guy off. Poor dude, I didn't think it was great, but I wouldn't have gone that far either.

>>6742181

>>6742218
perfect, thank you

>>6742218
>>6742220
beautiful

>>6742121
The thing that's frustrating with gesture is that I can't do waves and curves and twists that look dynamic and interesting

>>6742208
Thanks a lot for the words anon but I'll definitely try and keep them in my mind when studying this figure. The reason why her upper body is a curve is that I've been trying to outline her rib cage.
I've traced the figure to get a better sense on where exactly her body parts are, it still looks pretty awful but this kind of helps me where her body parts are, at least proportionally.
Again thank you anon

>>6741230
You need to work on the confidence of your lines but otherwise looks good to me.

>>6742232
quick reminder of Bridgman's concept of "hard" and "soft" parts of the body. The rips and the hips are symmetrical objects, they should be draw through and conceptualized as solid bodies. The stuff in between stretch and compress because of movement of these solid bodies

imma see if i can try do different angles again

>>6741735
Is that ziggy stardust or is it the MAIN character from Omicron :the Nomad soul

>>6742249
Thanks for the heads up, the small space between the ribcage and the pelvis throws me off. I think Vilppu also explains this somewhat in his book as well. I'll go check out Bridgeman for this too! Thank you anon

Do you use smoothing to draw lines? I switched digital a month ago and draw every day, but all my lines are jittery and wonky. I swear I can draw much better lines with a pencil. Is there some setting I don't know about?

>>6742346
Zoom out

Alright I drew some more boobs, but I’m gonna stop with boob-focused drawings… My heart just ain’t in it. I didn’t realize how much of a hips/thighs/ass man I truly am until I realized how much more I enjoy drawing the hips and skindentation and how much of a chore it felt to focus just on boobs.

Truly, art is a journey of self discovery.
>>6742184
Nice horse!

lets say my final goal is to draw/paint like Frazetta
What are the best books/courses/videos to achieve this as an absolute uberbeg.
>bro just draw
I draw daily but without guidance I do nothing but shitty sketches that lack any kind of appeal, proper anatomy, gesture, proportions, or perspective.

I dont suffer from analysis paralysis ('I wont start until I find the ABSOLUTE most perfect course for me') but I dont really know where to start in order to ACTUALLY learn how to properly do stuff.

>>6742355
I can fix her

>>6742354
> My heart just ain’t in it.
I think that shows in the drawing desu
also from an art perspective, I feel like hips and thighs are objectively more interesting, very nice opportunities for interlocking forms and good shape design

>>6742355
Bjork.
>>6742354
Nice tits!

>>6742358
bro just draw Frazetta.

Look at your shitty sketch, figure out what fundie it needs most and practice.

then just draw more Frazetta.

>>6742355
CUTE!
>>6742362
>I think that shows in the drawing desu
Hopefully not in a... like... super bad way. I mean, an attempt was made.
>I feel like hips and thighs are objectively more interesting
YES. That's my favorite part of what I drew, even though this was a boob study.
>>6742363
>Nice tits!
thanks lol
>>6742358
well, I know he allegedly copied the bridgman books. He's got VERY good composition, so I'd make sure you get at least some idea of what that entails. I'd say more comic book type composition in particular. And he was a really good painter. But you can't paint without understanding value and light and you can't do that without understanding forms and being able to Feel The Form (TM). Composition, though, you can work on no matter how /beg/ your physical drawing skills are. Gesture is similar. It's about conveying story and life in your art, and that's a huge component of Frazetta's work. Composition and gesture and story are more about what you draw than about how you draw, so a composition chad can mog other artists just by drawing stick figures.

A good place to start is with Drawing Comics The Marvel Way.

If you're an absolute prebeg who never even doodled as a child, then I recommend starting with the the exercises in Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain. Skip right over the pseudoscience bullshit and just do the exercises. I also recommend doing the first couple of lessons of drawabox. You can skip the meme box-drawing challenge. Just do it until you can make lines that go more or less where you want them to, and to where you can tell if a basic form (sphere, box, cylinder, basically) reads as three dimensional. A decent test of this is if you can do basic construction and convincing cross contours that convey form without the use of shading. Basically the goal is pic related.

>>6742425
This guide really tells you nothing. "Just draw basic forms!" Even though that alone requires a lot of reading and tutorial material.

>>6742239
Yeah I get what you're saying, should do one more pass with the lineart to make it cleaner.
thanks for the feedback man!

>>6742446
How much reading do you fucking need to comprehend "draw a square"? Perspective barely needs a page or two and a few examples to make sense, it's legitimately one of the easiest concepts of drawing to grasp. From there you're just combining those shapes into more complex shit.

It literally is that simple. It's just not easy. Don't get them confused.

>>6742446
>Even though that alone requires a lot of reading and tutorial material.
lmao retard shut the fuck up

>BUT HOW DO I DRAW SIMPLE SHAPES
>BUT HOW DO I EVEN GRAB THE PENCIL
>BUT HOW DO I LOOK AT THE PAPER IN A CORRECT ANGLE
Someone post the 'but HOW do I pet the dog' comic.

>>6742457
>It literally is that simple. It's just not easy.

There's always a method, and that's when I offer advice I'm very specific with it instead of being an edgy crab.

>>6742184
I like him

>>6742464
Just because I'm using the word 'fuck' doesn't mean I'm being edgy.

You're complaining about a tutorial labeled "Fastest Guide on How-To Draw Anything" because it doesn't give you specific, step-by-step advice. It just shows you the skill progression you'll need to go through to learn construction and recommends you focus on those instead of looking for that one magic tutorial that will turn you into an artist overnight.

>>6742474
>that one magic tutorial that will turn you into an artist overnight.

No one said that

>>6741739
Really appreciate the feedback, especially your drawings. Ill look into these things for sure. the point you made about the face and lack of forhead is something i have not really thought about before. but its a pretty big improvement.

>>6741991
yea I had more complex shading originally but i wasnt happy with it so i restarted and didnt finish the new one. Ill definately keep that in mind though

>>6741596
Draw from left to right, zoom out or rotate/flip your canvas

>be me years ago
>wanted to get into 3d art
>do like 1 youtube tutorial, figure out the rest from there, pretty good by now, can come actually come up with shit to create

>be me this year
>want to do 2d art
>can't find anything that works for me, can't make any ideas, can't put pencil to paper
why is that

>>6742533
Draw a doughnut.

>>6742184
quite good, you should finish rendering the body to the level you did with the tail

>>6742533
Easy: draw whatever you have already modeled.

Let's see Paul Allen's American Hobbit

>>6742457
>How much reading do you fucking need to comprehend "draw a square"? Perspective barely needs a page or two and a few examples to make sense, it's legitimately one of the easiest concepts of drawing to grasp.

Judge my square, only took 10 minutes to get it right without warming up.

>>6742658
I'm tired of your shitposting it's not funny

>>6742457
>it's legitimately one of the easiest concepts of drawing to grasp
>>i still cant do it
ITS JOEVER

>>6742354
>My heart just ain’t in it. I didn’t realize how much of a hips/thighs/ass man I truly am

nonwhite/nonasian detected

>>6742069
anon..mannequins are supposed to be stiff. Just try to be a little bit more curvy if you want to gesturalize it

>>6742599
S O V L

>>6742661
I'm not even shitposting, and you might be mistaking me for someone else.

My point here is that even if something is a basic concept and a very basic concept at that - different people have different skill levels and different approaches.
Between university, work, and house chores been about 3 weeks since I started, and I still can't do it.

Stop feeding crabs who push these threats to the bump limit with the same three stupid ass posts about how they can't draw lines despite reading 9001 pages of Loomis

>drew bad figure 3 months ago
>haven't drawn a single new thing and just grinded fundies for 3 months
>afraid to draw again to see that I haven't improved

fuck you for shilling me fundies I'm damaged beyond repair now mentally

>>6742675
Then learn to draw straight lines for an hour, use your whole arm and don't be all cramped up while holding the pen

do pic related daily too

>>6742684
>pic
Are there more sheets like this?

>>6741099
Is the Intuos M enough for shoulder movements?

>>6742684
>Then learn to draw straight lines for an hour, use your whole arm and don't be all cramped up while holding the pen

I've been doing something like this daily, the "just draw" meme feels like the best advice people give, and the more I try, the more comfortable I get at it. Even if that square sucks, used to be much worse, so I'm progressing even if slowly.

>>6742684
>do pic related daily too

Thanks for the advice, I will definitely do these daily. Been a rough start but I literally never picked up a pencil to draw anything before, I have a long way to go before I can even start to complain like the retard here >>6742678
thinks I am doing.

>>6742679
You need to draw aswell as study.
Just get it out of the way and draw a full figure.

Tried painting from reference for first time, but it feels somewhat desaturated

>>6742743
It's probably just the higher contrast in the reference,
Looks good.

>>6742743
colors too cool, cast shadows too light. good job otherwise

Where should you post /beg/ NSFW art?

>>6742758
>>6742765
Thank you both, guess I'll overlay fruits with red instead of blue next time

>>6742813
here

Would you guys date these girls I drew?

my 10 minute drawings are getting worse

>>6739567
250 boxes filtered me, even though I got to 230 or so. At 6-10 minutes per box that's pushing 30 hours for the project, plus I never felt I got any better after my 5th box which was the biggest filter for me, I just felt like I was wasting my time for no reason.

I don't understand. People tell me to "just draw" but they get upset when I do it, when I literally just draw. Are artists able to understand something I can't? If so, why can't they communicate that?

>>6742850
>>6742855
What part of just draw do you not understand? Shut the fuck up and get back to drawing boxes.

>>6742830
but I want to draw boxes

>>6742850
>6-10 mins
>PER square
Nigga...

>>6742830
All I do is draw boxes and study the fundies though

Are you really not going to be able to become an artist if you have absolutely no artist you like, no real strong interest in anything, and basically no interest in drawing for fun as opposed to mastering a new skillset?

>>6742855
If every time you posted complaining about something you also posted something you trained/grinded, people would take you more seriously.
If you're complaining here, you're not drawing, and that's the whole point, draw more complain less.

I see it on the same spectrum as losing weight - there are people who just go out there and jog, and there are people who search for endless recipes on the internet about "How to lose weight fast" instead of actually working out and complaining why it doesn't work for them and how unfair their genes are - instead of just working out.

People complaining in this thread are the same.

>>6742873
Exercise does absolutely nothing for weight loss, only diet. Bad analogy. Or accurate considering you "artists" are horrible at teaching others.

>>6742872
Youre probably not talented enough to make your depression appealing in any artistic way, so fix that -the depression- first.

>>6742881
>Exercise does absolutely nothing for weight loss, only diet
And that is why you will never make it. Masterfully proving my point.

My goal is to draw furry porn and make 100k a month on patreon.
Where do I start?

>>6742868
It's a box and if you draw it using their method while trying to aim the lines right and make good use of your one and only try per line and do all the colored lines afterward then the time adds up.

>>6742885
It's true though, your "point" is masterfully bullshit that is disproven with a few minutes on /fit/. And I mean actively engaging and learning. You can lose weight with a cut, but the most important part is the diet. Before you do that exercise isn't going to do jack.

>>6742882
I'm a schizoid so that's never happening.

>>6742895
>my source is /fit/
LMAOOO

So /fit/ believes that if you intake a fixed amount of calories every day and you start working out while keeping the same diet, you don't lose weight? That's amazing.

>>6741759
You're literally one or two levels above me, do you have any advice?

>>6742901
CICO is part of, wait for it... A diet. Starting to get it yet, fatty?

god damn
how do i draw soft squishy bodies like picrel

>>6742906
>So /fit/ believes that if you intake a fixed amount of calories every day and you start working out while keeping the same diet, you don't lose weight? That's amazing.
Prove this wrong, I will wait.

>>6742915
try tracing

>>6741604
enough grids for today. back to gestures for a bit

>>6742918
Do you know what CICO stands for? Do you know what dieting involves?

>>6742892
Start by buying a rope

>>6742923
1. Calories in/out?
2. A deliberate plan?

>>6742933
A plan that involves what? Go on, you know the answer.

>>6742930
Good advice, the frayed edges will help him reference fur :)

>hyper focus on all details
>get migraine within 15 minutes
>take ibuprofen
>migraine goes away
>migraine comes back in about 1 hour
cursed brain.

>>6742902
draw a lot, be constant (draw 1 hr every day), use references but don't copy only the contour of said reference (use a sfere, square, cylinder, or any other simple 3D figure, to represent your reference), draw every day, for static things like buildings, plants, or bugs knowing your horizon line can be really helpfull, don't go details first (details are used only to make your initial drawing look good, if your initial drawing it's not good then it wont be good after the makeup), be constant with your time to draw (1 hr every day), dont feel frustrated if your drawings look like shit (ofcourse they will look like shit, what do you think you are? a pro?), after geting the hang of 3D drawing go for shading and values (they are WAY more important than color)

>>6742941
I've never heard of this happening. Are you holding your breath while drawing or something? Maybe unironically go to a doctor and tell them

>>6742977
My gf is the exact same way, anon is not hydrating and keeps all his living spaces at the absolute bare minimum light level necessary to see while squinting. Anon will insist this isn't true however, ask me how I know.

>>6742901
Not him but from personal experience, regulating diet has been more effective than exercising.

I also think you're too narrow in your interpretation: for example, assume one loses weight by exercising, one might then feel more hungry than usual, and end up compensating the loss by eating more.

Or, assume you're not compensating by eating more, you could feel more tired, move less/sleep more, and remove some "low-effort exercising" options.

Those are very complex situations: there are many factors, from metabolism, to living environment/job safety, to various food addictions/compensation mechanisms, etc. Some of them being completely unconscious. I mean, it's very hard to have a rock solid opinion on two Internet sentences.

Last report in, time to get beer and grind Vilppu beans while I "work" the next 3 hours

>>6742702
Yes

bros i'm halfway through fun with a pencil and i still feel like i fucking suck and i have no idea what i'm doing still. do I push through or restart the book and slow down?

>>6743089
just do a video course if you find reading hard. It gets easier once you start to understand the process.

>>6743089
I think the point of fun with a pencil is to get you drawing in the first place and teach you how to make stuff out of basic shapes. Keys to drawing might be good to read and then come back to fun with a pencil if you want.

>>6743089
>>6743095
Also you will probably suck for a couple years and won't have any idea what you are doing for a bit too

>>6743095
gotcha, i may check that out. again i am enjoying it but i feel like progress is....minimal.

>>6743096
>you will probably suck for a couple years and won't have any idea what you are doing
fuck that sounds miserable
i'm in

How do I know if I like drawing. Shouldn't I draw 24/7 if I love doing something? Or am I just depressed? I have trouble reading my own emotions

>>6743108
>>6743096
A few years is not at all true so long as
A) You're not retarded
B) You're consistent and don't take massive month-long gaps.
>>6743116
No, that is retarded and unhealthy. If you enjoy doing it for 1-2 hours or so at a time, you're good. It reads to me like you have problems. Better talk to a doctor than anons here about that.

>>6743119
>A) You're not retarded
okay i might have a problem there
>B) You're consistent and don't take massive month-long gaps.
but i am stubborn
iagmi

My second full digital artwork. Most my experience is traditional monochrome sketches(although i have done pixel sprite work and other miscellaneous digital art) so this was a big project for me. it took two weeks to make and was for a friend. I was pointed to post here by a friend after she gave me all the feedback she could.

>>6743127
If you're good, you will absolutely have gains in a single month. Not to say you'll be a master artist, but you'll have all the building blocks you need to iterate on consecutively.

If you're bad, untalented, you will never make it. No matter how many years pass.

>>6743108
You will suck and have no idea what you're doing for a few years, but you'll start to recognize your art as art well before that. Within a few months if you're dedicated or already have a bit of an eye for it. It won't be amazing but it will be a lot more fun and confidence boosting than symbol drawing like a retarded child.

>>6743116
>I have trouble reading my own emotions
same. life is absolute misery when you're constantly asking yourself if you like X thing or not

Tried going for a snail today, but I really screwed up the shell shape and got filtered super hard by the texture, so I won't be posting it. Fun fact though: most snail shells come pre-packaged with cross contour lines. Really helps visualize the underlying 3D shape (but not for me apparently).

>>6743116
Imagine saying this about literally any other thing you like doing.

>Shouldn't I play games 24/7 if I love it?
>Shouldn't I eat food 24/7 if I love it?
>Shouldn't I jack off 24/7 if I love it?

Is it normal to struggle with this stuff? Feels like my brain is in overdrive

>>6743211
>Is it normal to struggle with this stuff?
Yes. You're gonna struggle less and less of you keep at it.

some 2-3min gestures

>>6743211
yes, over time it gets easier if you stick to a routine.

>>6743211
Yes, don't listen to the retards in the thread earlier, just keep drawing until you get used to it and understand how the forms connect.

random faces from the internet

random studies

are krenz cushart's perspective courses good? i have a ton of trouble rotating things out of their original perspective
i'm trying to get into animation but the idea of trying to do something like animating a simple character rotation seems impossible (no i have not tried yet :( i am still working on gesture and anatomy. i've done enough perspective work to draw simple figures and buildings in 1, 2, and 3 point perspective)

>>6743189
But I don't like drawing the way I like those things.

>>6743225
I've kept at it for years and never saw improvement.

>>6743189
ayo this nigga doesn't jack off 24/7
>>6743116
anyways the difference between what the above anon gave from examples and drawing is that to some degree it's like exercise, as opposed to leaning back and zoning out in minecraft for 8hrs or something. you don't want to and shouldn't work out 24/7, even if you love feeling fit, getting jacked, or something else about it. it's not healthy for your body. trying to draw constantly, especially if you aren't comfortable with where you are, is just going to tire and burn you out. on the other hand though, if you can't even bring yourself to do something like doodle, consider why, could be depression but not necessarily. do you feel like other things besides drawing aren't worth doing anymore, or like not getting out of bed, etc? do you not like the quality of your doodles? do you treat them too seriously? do you have adhd/autism(idk abt this but i've been told i don't have adhd but still struggle to start even the most basic of tasks and also am autistic as shit, t. this post) and struggle to pick up tasks even if you want to do them?
idk, anon, a lot could be happening. the main point though is that, no, you don't need to draw 24/7, just like everyone else said. how much you should be drawing depends entirely on you, but it isn't constantly

>>6743303
Because you’re just mindlessly grinding and not actually interfacing with what you’re doing idiot. Engage your brain

>>6743300
Because they're easy and take no effort. Drawing won't hand itself to you like that. Stop worrying about whether your feelings are valid or not and just listen to them for once.

How do you feel when you actually draw? When you create something of your own? "I don't know" is a cop out and you know it, so figure out the actual answer even if it takes time.

Lucky for you, you don't have to marry drawing. You can do it until you're bored or can't stop, nobody is going to think more or less or you for either. But stop looking for answers about your own relationship with art on 4chan. You're just going to get stuck browsing these threads for 20 hours a day instead of doing things you enjoy.

>>6742249
this helped me improve drawing my chests in a day, and im not even the person you're replying to. Thank you sm!! :)

>>6741099

>>6743211
This is my big struggle as well. Keeping a consistent perspective when rotating forms, proportion, having a sense of gesture to the curves, realistic twists.

does this even look like a hand
my eyes are playing tricks on me

>>6743345
>there is no method just turn your brain off and grind to git gud!
>stop mindlessly grinding, engage your brain!

Which one is it now?

How do we feel about hogarth

>>6743351
Your post doesn't make any sense.

>>6743379
Lots of good info if you don't get hung up on his style, but they're not really starter books.

>>6743379
Violently erect and covered in chrome.
His books could use a few more pages about w*men though, as cringe as they are you still need to draw them sometimes.

>>6743387
This is why you're ngmi

>>6743377
It is objectively the latter. Who the fuck says drawing/art is a brainless activity? You can autopilot when you’re bordering on mastering it, but never before.

>>6743376
it looks like a low detail cartoon hand, yes. the other fingers are implied and you can see the thumb crease, so it's a close enough approximation to a hand that anybody with a functioning frontal lobe can recognize it as one. the wrist to palm line connection a little overexaggerated but it's whatever since it's not a detailed hand anyways. it gets the point across and if it's not a study then it doesn't matter too much
>>6743377
who are you quoting? but literally. he never said that
>>Is it normal to struggle with this stuff?
>Yes. You're gonna struggle less and less of you keep at it.
>Because you’re just mindlessly grinding and not actually interfacing with what you’re doing idiot. Engage your brain
he said keep at it, not turn your brain off. maybe you've been turning your brain off, but that doesn't mean that everybody else does

Im trying to draw poses with gesture lines to make them feel more fluid and less stiff.

>>6743368
i have no traps but I must shrug

>>6743412
i really like the one on the left
what courses/books did you read?

>>6743431
Didn't read any books, sorry.
Took a art class in community college a decade ago and I'm finally trying to put that knowledge to use.

>>6743442
I've also been thinking about this image.

>>6743412
Getting nice looking gestural curves is definitely something I need to figure out.

I just realised that Vilppu is based.

>>6741099

is this...le progress??
it resembles the original drawing this time at least, I'll take it

all I've been doing this past three days is copying stuff around the house and making circle dolls from the construction chapter in fun with a pencil

>>6743473
Keys to Drawing or Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain would unironically really benefit you right now, they show you how to avoid the mistakes you're making.

>>6743473
Alonso quijano

testing new brush

Why did you fuckers told me to study the loomis head method when it's fucking useless for anime faces. Is it really neccesary for me to be able to draw realistic faces to then draw anime? Wont I just get bad habits by learning the loomis head method?

I tried copying an anime face with it but I can't get the proportions right. It would have been easier to just draw a circle and attack the jaw manually than to measure everything out holy fuck I'm too fucking AUTISTIC FOR THIS SHIT I GET STUCK ON FUCKING STUPID METHODS AND GET CONFUSEDDDDDDDD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6743595
I'M JUST GONNA DO IT LIKE THIS NOW
https://youtu.be/O1JsOnJDCac?list=PLC1w0JHZX_rhdv__lLHVhEoHb5j6LOvrD

>>6743543
>the girl you want to rape when you dream becomes lucid but always turns into a guy and starts raping you

>>6743595
>"loomis head method is useless for anime faces"

>>6743602
>"i'm just gonna use this slightly different loomis head now"

>>6743394
No, I mean your very first paragraph was nonsensical. Listening to my feelings means I don't ever bother drawing because it's not easy and effortless. Why haven't you learned to write? It's very hard work.

>>6742684
For the first time since I started learning, I feel like I did something that helped me. Thanks.

I will try to do this one daily/as a warm-up before I try to draw anything to improve accuracy.

>>6743605
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SAY "Uhh duuh do 2 thirds and cut of le side and put le hairline and le browline and le chin line in le the same distance" YOU FUCKERSSSSSSS HOW IS THAT NOT ALWAYS RESULTING IN DRAWING THE SAME FACE I DON'T GET IT AAAAAAA

>>6743611
very good anon I'm proud of you

>>6743611
I am so retarded. I did not interpret the first exercise that way at all. I thought it was more like a maze.

>>6743543
Disgusting, great job
>>6743538
Strong
>>6743473
Yeah this is the right start, as you draw stuff more and more you get better at seeing the actual objects proportions you are drawing.
Everyone starts with very funny looking drawings.

>>6743608
If your feelings say "this is too hard and not worth the effort" while you draw stop acting like you don't know how you feel and go do something you actually enjoy putting the effort into. Still want to draw anyway? Shut the fuck up and do it.

If this sounds nonsensical to you then you've got bigger problems nobody here can help with.

Hello beg. I feel like i am getting lazier and slower. Probably death

>>6743543
absolute unit
>>6743473
2 days isnt enough to see progress. Try at least 2 weeks
>>6743447
this is called gesture. you are welcome
>>6743379
his very unique style is fascinating. i will definitely do at least 1 book from him
>>6743376
flat, lifeless, bad
>>6743368
i like this. a lot. neck is probably too long but there legit exist people with abnormally long necks, fashion designers like to use them as models
>>6743246
very cool
>>6743229
i see you are aiming for COOM art
>>6743145
figure is stiff as fuck and with clunky anatomy. there isnt a single hard edge in the drawing. that is very bad. you cannot just do shades with airbrush. shades on solid surfaces have sharp clean edges. value range is bad: the scene is in night yet we can see literally everything cleanly. Put image into grayscale and notice how everything is gray. Missing textures: lack of scratches, bricks outlines, pieces of stones etc... make it all look sparkly clean and new. But you wanted to make dusty construction site. Give keys to drawing a go. You are missing very important fundies.
>>6743107
kinda cool. the tiger head doesnt fit rest of the drawing: it is too detailed
>>6743089
if only you PYWed so we could see what are you doing and how its working out
>>6742941
i found out it is way better to draw as relaxed as possible. Results are practically the same but your endurance lasts way longer
>>6742892
>>6742358
on same place as everybody else: observation and fundies: keys to drawing
>>6742872
how many more times will you post the same question lmao
>>6742832
nah they look bipolar + underage
>>6742743
based tradchad
>>6742173
looks very nice as it is
>>6742099
you could just give me (You) and ask. Instead you chose to be passive aggressive lol
>>6742162
word "artist" is associated with modern "art" where people squirt paint from their asses on canvas and sell it for billion. I would NEVER connect myself with that.

>>6743145
bump

>>6743626
how many minutes did you give yourself for each pose

>>6743625
That isn't what you said initially. Are you admitting not everyone can do art?

>It's another edited AI art guy with a patreon episode shitting up the internet with AI slop

I'm so tired of this shit. I hate this world I hate humanity I hate the antichrist.

>>6743626
How many times will you fail to give an actual answer?

>>6742679
You didn't study fundies correctly if you didn't even try to apply them for 3 months.
You still need to attempt a separate drawing like once a week at minimum to be sure you're absorbing what you're practicing.

>>6743650
>a separate drawing
Of what, a box?

>>6743639
You asked "how do I know if I like drawing" and got an answer. Nobody said anything about everybody being able to do art.

>>6743626
>figure is stiff as fuck and with clunky anatomy. there isnt a single hard edge in the drawing. that is very bad.
I don't understand what this means, I just used a guy in that pose as a reference for her here, so I don't know how I can make a kneeling pose anything other than stiff looking if I'm honest.
> you cannot just do shades with airbrush. shades on solid surfaces have sharp clean edges. value range is bad: the scene is in night yet we can see literally everything cleanly.
I didn't use airbrush, but I can understand what you're trying to get at. I mixed sharp and feather edged shading. This is honestly because towards the end I had many IRL things effect my patience. So after shading her, I just sharp edged most things to make it easier, simply for pragmatism. The reason its so bright is because I was afraid of being told that I made everything too dark to see the image in the level of detail I had drew it to. Here is the darker rendition I made.
> Put image into grayscale and notice how everything is gray. Missing textures: lack of scratches, bricks outlines, pieces of stones etc... make it all look sparkly clean and new. But you wanted to make dusty construction site.
Yeah, the buildings in the background were something I did to fill space. I didn't realize how much work they would take given they were just a background. I disnt have the unreasonable amount of patience necessary for what I had going on IRL to dedicate an equal effort into the background as I did the foreground.
>Give keys to drawing a go. You are missing very important fundies.
k

is it just me or has pawell become more of a cocky bitch recently

>>6743730
i naturally filter his posts out, they're insanely ugly

>>6743686
>Nobody
Except the sticky, except /beg/, except /ic/ insisting over and over in the face of all evidence that everyone can learn to draw.

What changed?

>>6743625
Not that anon but
> is too hard and not worth the effort"
This is how I feel sometimes, I don't even know why am I forcing myself through a lot of hobbies I have a shallow interest in. I'll keep asking myself that in the future, thank you.

I'm quite proud of myself if I'm honest. I feel like something clicked today

>>6743764
>I'm quite proud of myself if I'm honest. I feel like something clicked today
Good for you, Anon.

>>6743611
Tracing the circles is fucking impossible. No matter how much I practice ellipses, they're fucked

Done, now i can move on.

>>6743812
Nice drawing but what if he was surrounded by big titty women

>>6743812
Gay

>>6743812
Good job, Anon!

>>6743745
Everyone has the capacity to learn how to draw. That doesn't mean everyone has to learn how to draw, or wants to put in the effort to become truly proficient. Just because you have legs, are you going to become a marathon runner? It's just going to be an annoying pain if you force yourself.

I'll ask you an actual question - when you finish a drawing you don't hate, how do you feel? Does it feel like the effort was worth it? Does it feel awesome to make something you can recognize? Keep at it and try to learn how to turn your frustration into fuel. It will help you learn so much shit.

>>6743746
Don't psyche yourself out. If you have fun most of the time, just keep having fun.

>>6743745
Everybody can draw, it doesn't mean everyone actually wants to learn how to draw. Only you can tell yourself if the results will be worth the effort. Have you finished a piece you don't hate? Did it feel good? Then your problem is learning to fight through frustration and turn it into fuel. If you hate it just stop worrying so much.

>>6743746
Don't psyche yourself out. If you have fun doing it, just keep doing it.

>>6743863
>Just because you have legs
Not everyone has legs. Bad analogy.
>when you finish a drawing
What's a drawing? Stick figures and boxes?

>>6743863
>actual question
>when you finish a drawing
What did anon mean by this, unironically?

>>6743964
When you finish something you don't hate. Don't be pedantic, even fuckers with no arms learn how to draw. They stick the pencil in their mouth or their feet and go.

Despite what you may think I'm actually trying to help you out here.

>>6744061
The fuck do you think I mean? Do you people just not draw, unironically?

>>6742986
>one might then feel more hungry than usual, and end up compensating the loss by eating more.
yup

nta, but what's working for me is high-fiber food like oats and avoiding sugar.

Please I can't draw a circle to save my life what can I do

I'm getting desperate

I'm a hopeless?

>>6744145
I am drawing with my elbow

I know to now draw with my wrists

I'm trying to do things right

>>6744145
>>6744149

>>6744145
>>6744149
Also this

>>6744145
>>6744149
Same

>>6744209
When you were a kid learning how to write English, did your letters look awesome on your first try? Basic line control is the biggest grind of all for beginners. Everyone has to do it, and everyone you see placing down good shapes has done it.

>>6744221
I've been grinding them a lot, and still no improvement. I haven't been able to move on from this.

>>6742830
how

An attempt at "gesture"

>>6743388
What's wrong with his style

>>6744234
When you grind, are you just trying ellipses over and over hoping they'll come out the way you want? Because you'll never get anywhere doing that. You have to actively force and correct your hand by really thinking about how you need to move differently. It's like when you're trying to draw a line and it keeps curving, so you actively "pull" in the opposite direction of the curve when you draw and it corrects. Making that correction habit is how you improve.

>>6744312
I've tried a lot of different things over the past couple of years. I've been trying to be conscious of what I'm doing, but I don't get what I'm supposed to be doing anymore.

Maybe my vision and brain is just fucking ruined

>>6744366
>>6744366
>>6744366
new crab

>>6744366

>>6744311
Nothing, it's just idiosyncratic. Some people just have a visceral reaction to it and write him off because "people don't look like that!!!".

>>6744321
I know what you havent tried
Practicing in a specific manner on a consistent, frequent schedule.
3 weeks of practicing ellipses at the same time every day for 30 minutes would solve your problem but you've never been that consistent about anything in your life ever have you ?

does this have readability? starting up again after awhile. trying to go digital because im cheap.

>>6741099
Honest question what is the value in constructive type drawing ? Maybe I’m just not getting things but I find it doesn’t really help when I’m drawing something from life or when I’m copying a reference. Pic related the study I did, I didn’t do any sort of construction like how loomis Mike make a head, I simply looked at my reference and started painting in the general proportions measuring and refining, granted it’s not perfect, but still can someone explain to me why I should be learning how to break things down into boxes instead of just drawing them as I see them ?

>>6745344
Also maybe I should further explain, I tried getting into loomis’s figure drawing book and while I did find the info on setting up a scene and having everyone be in proportion and his tips on composition extremely helpful I didn’t actually find his constructive drawing of much use.

I’ve hear Glenn Vilppu is good too maybe I just need to give him a read ?

Today's 10m studies as soon as it comes to side views it's over