/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6739567
these OP pictures are fun but could use more memery like Mercwip or pic related.

>>6739567
ok i draw'd a box now help me get past the texture exercise i cant do it

>>6739567
did the op pic just call me /int/? I'm blushing

I took like a month break from drawabox but I'm finally gonna turn in my homework, my apologies to the kind person who reviewed my stuff lmao

>>6739590
i skipped it

>>6739590
The texture exercise fucking sucks imo. I get it now, you're drawing in reverse I guess? Or creating a relief by drawing around? I think the term from real art teachers is dressing negative space, or that's what DaB guy wants to communicate, but fuck that one took weeks

>>6739590
Now rotate the boxes

Why do 36 yo woman look like 56 in 2023?

>>6739617
Would

>>6739616
i dont think im up to that part yet br0
probably shouldve done something like that when i did the 250 though

Day 2, I decided to add an adjacent cube to the side of my cube monstrosity
I suppose I could keep adding cubes to the sides but I kinda want to try tilted cubes next like I drew in the corner
>>6739590
>>6739604
>draw 250 boxes floating in space
bro this sounds FUCKING RETARDED
I'm not sure the cube monstrosities im drawing now will lead me to get better but drawing cubes aimlessly in empty space sounds insane
I mean, when do the diminishing returns kick in? Probably at like 25 cubes right? You have to push your muscle to failure for it to grow, how long does drawing simple cubes really push your brain to its limits?

Do any of you guys understand Vilppu's approach to gesture? From what I can glean he means the gesture lines convey movement by jumping from one to the other. Sometimes the line will "obey" the previous lines when the movement keeps going the same way and other times "disobey" when they go somewhere else. However, I don't understand how you are supposed to judge what the is movement or where to place the gesture lines in relation to the rest of the composition since they're not contour lines. Do you place them on the axis of the thing you're drawing or what? Am I overcomplicating it?

I'm still undecided if I should go traditional or digital
Today I copied some bridgman stuff

>>6739647
The 250BC combines many things: Mark making skills (personally my lines are straighter and more confident but that's not exclusive to drawabox, just mileage), drawing in perspective (although yes, each exercise is in its own perspective bubble, or floating in space), practice identifying the converging lines that subjects have in perspective. Is it perfect? Nah, but show me the perfect exercise. You're just getting mileage and exercising your imagination, even if it is just boxes, you'd be surprised just how many anons can't picture a box let alone an apple. But, you can train that. Should take about 200-250 boxes before your imagination can "snap to grid." Fwiw the drawabox shit is the baby version of Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching, and Han places an emphasis on perspective BEFORE taking his (very good) course. Drawabox guy claims the course he designed is derived from Han's course, but adapted to explain the shit that happens before you're ever qualified for Han's thing. If any anon has the gumption to do it in less than a year I'd be interested in the gains made from 0 to drawing to dynamic sketching 1&2.

>>6739647
idk bro but so far i havent been able to do fucking anything else when it comes to drawing so the 250boxes and all the exercises before and after it seem pretty good to me.

>>6739656
You do whatever helps you to capture the overall impression of the figure. Vilppu himself says that it doesnt really matter what sort of lines you use. Some people use flowy lines, some people use more angular lines, some people start with stick figures, some with scribbles, etc. His approach is procedural: do what helps you to build a figure on top of the gesture

>>6739663
I'd much more prefer drawing 250 boxes over human figure landmarks, than just floating boxes in space.

>>6739662
stop copying. everyone does this shit. 'oh im studying loomis/hampton/bridgman' and then they youc an clearly see they dont understand it, did no construction or attempts to build up the drawing like the people they claim to be learning from. its like people reposting shit from pintrest. you can see they just draw the outlines like a child and try to draw the shapes of rendered parts. so when it looks weird, they dont see it and dont realize why they were rendering certain parts, etc. it looks "close enough" to them, so must be right when they render shadow on top of the lightsource or make muscles in impossible spots.

learn to draw. not copy. yours look like you literally tried to copy. theres a massive difference.

>>6739676
NTA, but the first advice i was ever given for this shit was to 'just copy some art you like for now', so what the fuck. What should I be doing if not copying?

>>6739674
Now how the fuck do you do that?

>>6739680
>What should I be doing if not copying?
Study construction, I guess. Dismantle whatever you're looking at into simpler shapes rotated in space and build up the image you were going to copy from those shapes. That's my understanding of it at least, I haven't actually done any of this shit.

>>6739674
If I interpreted that correctly you're saying you'd prefer to draw box mannequins rather than just drawing box after box which is fine and I agree. Worth mentioning for the absolute beginner though, if they start with boxes-over-landmarks (so I guess similar to how Kim Jung Gi or Dongho Kim does it) they're going to end up with about 250 floating boxes anyway because they probably aren't that good and the mannequins will be fucked up anyway from lack of perspective training. There's value in burning the image of a box into your visual library, in every possible orientation, because as I think you hit on, everything fits in a box. Ultimately the answer is still "just draw."

I've done a few studies since getting back into fundamentals to scrub out animoo brain rot and realized im picking it back up pretty well.
Something I wanted to start adding into my head studies is some painting studies.
Am i on the right track for this? I'm looking at the planes of the face and have my line art very lightly over the top. Painting is not a strength I have, and havent done it traditionally, so its a little difficult for me.

I'm doing keys to drawing and I don't really understand the concept of restating parts. It kind of feels like cheating because I can hide sloppy lines or is it just a crutch to help learning drawing faster?

>>6739688
>I haven't actually done any of this shit.

>>6739688
Based

>>6739698
I'm just a beg, I'm still figuring things out. Mostly working on just markmaking for now. Been reading/watching a lot of theory though, including approaches to drawing and learning.

>>6739688
>I haven't actually done any of this shit.
>>6739703
>Been reading/watching a lot of theory though
Theoretical knowledge outpaces practical experience
Anons don't do this

>>6739703
i hope you wont be like me then anon, ive gotten down markmaking and box making and there was the sausages at one point but ever since i got to the texture exercise in drawabox i havent been able to do fucking anything, I also look at a lot of theory.

I don't see why we don't just railroad people onto drawabox from the very start. If you can't just sit the fuck down and do the grind, you're not going to be an artist. Simple as. So what if it doesn't cover everything you need to learn? It covers the BIGGEST fucking thing you need to learn; patience.

>>6739698
Don't listen to him. Just copy and try to feel the form while doing it like he does.

>>6737031

>>6739712
>Theoretical knowledge outpaces practical experience
That's how it always goes, no?
>>6739714
>got to the texture exercise in drawabox
I'm still really far from that one, not sure if I'll keep going with drawabox though.
>>6739723
>why we don't just railroad people onto drawabox
Because drawabox grind really isn't for everyone, and it's far from the only way to learn how to be patient and enjoy the grind. Sure, it gets you where you need to be relatively quickly, but also sucks all enjoyment out of the process.

>>6739727
>feel the form
uhh.....
well, i'll try.

>>6739723
what is a box?

>>6739567

tried to recreate this knight using shapes rather than trying to follow the lines 1:1 but I fucked up the perspective on the torso and now the rest of his body is a flat pancake

>go back to drawing shapes

I know, I just did some perspective exercises with a ruler last night and I wanted to know if some of it rubbed off when I woke up

>>6739734
>what is a box?
A miserable little pile of lines.

>>6739728
>Sure, it gets you where you need to be relatively quickly, but also sucks all enjoyment out of the process.
They explicitly state to free draw for 100% equal to the amount of time you study, before they even get to the very first lesson.

Just do the fucking grind, nigga. Put in your hours and get your merit badge.. You're not gonna get the best in slot hyperspeed strat to good art skills by doing a triple jump in the corner at 5th and Mason at 3am you fucking nerd. Do your dailies.

>>6739734
I'll show you a box
*unzips*

>>6739737
BUT ENOUGH TALK

SHOW YOUR WORK!

>>6739723
jesus christ this drawabox virus is flaring up again
drawabox is a meme tutorial dressed in a "challenge" exterior. everything you learn from drawabox you get form 95% of other beg course. if you really want to "grind" to get mileage, for the love of christ
grind drawing something you actually want to draw
faces
bodies
animals
hell instead of 250 boxes, draw 125 pairs of TITS
AT LEAST TITS WILL TEACH YOU ABOUT UNDERSTANDING FORM
and no, rotating a box does not make you understand form

>>6739728
>>Theoretical knowledge outpaces practical experience
>That's how it always goes, no?
it does, but you are supposed to catch up with your practical experience, not make the discrepancy worse

>>6739743
>for the love of christ grind drawing something you actually want to draw
I wanna draw a box

>>6739740
>They explicitly state to free draw for 100% equal to the amount of time you study, before they even get to the very first lesson.
nta, i am like 100 hours behind that shit, i dont know what to draw to apply the lessons

>>6739743
drawabox specifically tells me how i should be drawing these 250 boxes, thats how i know each line should point towards a vanishing point.
so, anon, how EXACTLY am i meant to draw tits?

if you want to learn to draw.
read Loomis fun with a pencil but skip the first chapter- if you dont, you're just going to draw an ugly potato head and get discouraged and stop.
Go right to stick figure chapter. This is pure form. Copy the figures, hundreds of times. You'll get better while learning basic 3d shapes, construction, skeletal structure, and figure. It's perfect, and very accessible.
Also workout, There is strong correlation to muscle health and brain health, you can fit in fitness with art- They're both heavily discipline-focused activities and they benefit each other heavily.

>>6739751
What do you give a shit about? Like literally any interest in at all?
Draw that, expect it to suck, keep going. maybe relisten to the lessons if needed throughout the process.

>>6739751
>I dont know what to draw to apply the lessons
Free draw, you draw whatever you want. You apply the lessons as you go, trying to make play time efficient is stupid. Stop being a gamer.

>>6739757
>What do you give a shit about? Like literally any interest in at all?
maybe like a game or two.
i guess i can see how to apply the lessons like ghosting, drawing with the whole arm, restating, etc. the markmaking lessons at least.
what about the boxes? and the ribbons? the sausages? what do they do?

>>6739761
>you draw whatever you want.
how....er..
helpful???

>>6739754
>how EXACTLY am i meant to draw tits?
draw them so they look good

>>6739764
boxes help with making more complex shapes later. You can build basically any shape out of a box at the start.
Sausages are secondary to boxes and help with more organic forms. Combine boxes and sausages and you get the human body after enough tweaking.
Ribbons Can help with flow and depending on what exactly youre doing with them, help with line confidence.

>Maybe a game or two
Great! Pick your go-to thing from that game. A character, weapon, pokemon, whatever the fuck it is and start there.
The important part is to expect failure and to not be discouraged by it because we've all been there.

>>6739754
How do you like your tits.

Holy shit dude if you don't have anything you want to draw why tf are you learning to draw? You want people to set you on rails and put you through school for years so you can build a skill, hobby, and talent just so you can... Do nothing with it??? Like wtf would you do if you could put paint to canvas like Leonardo or Raphael? Just sit there and be like "idk what to draw??"

>>6739776
NTA but i mean since the options are literally endless I can see how a newer guy would get overwhelmed and not know what to practice

>>6739779
The options for instructions might be endless but SOMETHING makes a person eventually say "I want to draw." The truth is that many anons just get bored but don't want to admit it, they'd rather play video games or shitpost 19 hours a day than sit and draw their preferred subject over and over until it looks good. Someone who likes nature would just be drawing nature and studying that, same for the guy who likes anime, similar to the guy who wants to do portraits, yet over and over people are like "what do I draw?... No, no, I don't want to draw that, keep suggesting things." Like dude you actually have to draw lol.

>>6739784
yeah fair

>>6739784
What if I want to learn drawing for the sake of learning to draw?

>>6739776
>if you don't have anything you want to draw why tf are you learning to draw?
NTA but all that I want to draw is waaay above my skill level (which is close to zero, if not straight up in the negatives). Trying to draw it at my current level is 1. scary because I have no idea how to approach it and 2. frustrating because the end result looks nothing like what I imagined or what the reference looked like, and I don't feel like I've improved much if at all by doing so poorly.

>>6739766
Why are you doing art?

>>6739776
This is the dumbest, yet most common line of questioning i see here.
I want to draw. Why? Idk. Something triggered it though.
Be it that i have friends that do art, be it that my brain suddenly decided i wanted to create stuff of my favourite character, be it that i just want an actual hobby besides games for once, something made me want to draw, the fact i am even here is proof enough, I just cant pinpoint what it is.

>>6739793
Then we can't help you until you know what you wanna do.

>>6739690
update, i think its going well but feedback would be cool if anyone has any

>>6739778
how
>>6739792
see >>6739793

>>6739794
And i cant know what i wanna do. Therefore i cant help myself either. What a stalemate.

>>6739793
Well if you can't think of anything you can always use art prompts you can find online

Just tried drawing for the first time in my life. What did I think of it?

>>6739769
if the dab guy said this about boxes i'd join you guys in saying its a meme course
>>6739774
tit-like

>>6739796
see
>>6739794

I'm not your fucking counselor, nerd. You wanna have an existential crisis instead of just fucking doing drawbox because someone in the general said it was dumb and you don't wanna look dumb? Go bother /r9k/ or /adv/.

>>6739795
too detailed-focused

>>6739804
Im the guy stuck on the texture exercise. I dont give a shit about your opinion on the course, i just cant do it anymore.

>>6739808
Go away.

>>6739813
and do what

can i get some feedback on the inking?

>>6739814
Play a video game

>>6739818
>can i get some feedback on the inking?
I am in no way qualified to give feedback, but I think you'd benefit from THICCer outlines. Especially with how blocky the vest(?), shoes and the eye/brow look. Maybe more varied line weight in general?

>>6739818
i forgot to resize because i'm a cunt

>>6739833

>>6739291
>>6739295
>>6739297
Any feedback?

>>6739743
Why do you pretend to believe that drawabox only has the 250 boxes exercise, as if there weren't concrete things to draw like 10 plants, 10 insects, 10 animals, all using organic shapes, but also 10 objects and 10 vehicles that you won't be able to draw if you haven't been able to draw 250 poor boxes, retard

>>6739754
youre gonna have to screenshot the gif to read the text
...i did not think it through well lol

/ic/ - Your Dad

>>6739818
I'm not really qualified. IDK about inking. I think it's a neat character design, and I think the hatching texture on her hand and chest look cool and clean, but they flatten the form. That's an acceptable graphic element if you were going for that, but if not, it's something to be aware of. I can't tell what's going on there where it looks like she's somehow holding a book(?) That bit's confusing. Also, if she has animal ears, does she have a tail?

Good job on the eyeballs btw.

>>6739778
Delete this

>>6739846
I converted it to webm blop anon

>>6739863
WITCHCRAFT

thanks

>>6739841
Those octopods look great, Imma go draw one too.

>>6739682
>>6739689
I like doing something like this

>>6738466
that autism moment when you get a pose you can't draw so you try to draw it a gorillion times.

at least from this I learned how to differentiate front and back gesture drawings.

legs are still impossible
>>6738731
thank you. I'll do that next week.
I feel like for now I still have a lot to learn about the general feel/positioning of gestures before I start adding actual forms on top.

>>6739567
first time doing this thing. i feel like i didn't learn anything

>>6739904
That's because you did it wrong

>>6739918
elaborate pls

>>6739918
10/10 feedback

>>6739904
don’t use a grid when you’re first starting out dummy

>>6739805
Should I not be studying details when painting?

>>6739918
peak /beg/ comment

>>6739918
>>6739924
holy crab comment batman
kill yourself

>>6739919
>>6739921
>>6739932
>>6739938
Half the boxes aren't even snapped to the training wheels grid that was used, they did it wrong

>>6739938
>crab
>all anon even did was make straight lines on an already drawn grid
If this was a ruse comment you got me, that was funny

>>6739918
Based

Help I don't know what I'm doing
I think I spent more than 2 hours on this
How do I render?
A flat lineart would read easier than this mess.
I'm lost

>>6739949
Is that a bag of some sort? Why is it attached to the ceiling?

#11, tried to focus more on the 3d form on this one rather than accuracy, it’s super asymmetrical but i feel like i sort of understood how the mouth and jaw jutted out on this one

What ever happened to that guy who was drawing the lady shitting an egg or whatever? I think it was from a game? He kept posting it in various stages of completion, sometimes seeming to move backwards

>>6739951
I just drew random stuff because I thought it would be fun to try different values with graphite pencils. Presumably their grade system is for that, even though nobody uses them that way

>>6739942
It follows the line so it's fine isn't it

>>6739743
Shut the fuck up begtard

>>6739926
yeah, when you lay down the foundation first

>>6739963
If they understood that there were invisible perspective rays running next to the drawn ones in the template grid it would be fine but they said they didn't learn anything from what they were doing at all, so either they are beyond where they need to be or are not understanding what they're seeing, either case is a case of doing it wrong

>>6739743
>jesus christ this drawabox virus is flaring up again
>drawabox is a meme tutorial dressed in a "challenge" exterior. everything you learn from drawabox you get form 95% of other beg course. if you really want to "grind" to get mileage, for the love of christ
>grind drawing something you actually want to draw
>faces
>bodies
>animals
>hell instead of 250 boxes, draw 125 pairs of TITS
>AT LEAST TITS WILL TEACH YOU ABOUT UNDERSTANDING FORM
>and no, rotating a box does not make you understand form

My problem with this is that I don't have the skill to draw any of those. So I don't even know if I'm doing it right or wrong, or how to improve. The box simplicity helps me with that

Anons are you sure drawing 100 heads will make me better at drawing faces?
Also how the fuck do I draw less comic-like and more realistic???

Head studies I've done, and other things

>>6739980
Im only 9 faces in

>>6739808
Have you seen these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7vfYsrL768&pp=ygUQZHJhd2Fib3ggdGV4dHVyZQ%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-k2XN7TlQ&pp=ygUQZHJhd2Fib3ggdGV4dHVyZQ%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kv1-uNGsh8&pp=ygUQZHJhd2Fib3ggdGV4dHVyZQ%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri01PNdEBxQ

And this video especially:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sueXWvNZ0ss

Imagine you're using the shadows only (LITERALLY ONLY THE SHADOWS CAST BY THE TEXTURE. THAT'S ALL YOU DRAW) of the texture as, essentially, a kind of hatching.

The way you get the gradient of "tone" is by pushing more or less of the texture into shadow, and making the cast shadows bigger or smaller — so big they engulf everything on the one end, and so small they disappear on the other. Imagine that the texture you're studying is made up of little forms. (Because it is.) Those little forms will cast a shadow in strong directional light. All you're doing is inking those cast shadows. That's what you visualize/conceptualize what you're doing.

In purely visual terms, when you make the gradient of different tones, you can think of it as pushing the visual representation of the texture into pure white and pure black. Like if you were fucking with the levels in photoshop. Actually, let me do that so you can see.

I desaturated a picture of alligator skin to take all the color out. Then the gradient you see here is just sliding the white point (the point at which subtler gray values become pure white/overexposed/blown out) and black point (the point at which subtler gray values become pure black/lost/underexposed) of the image around. I'm effectively turning contrast up to over 9,000 and moving the point where gray tones become either black or white. On the far left, Almost all grays become black. On the right, almost all grays become white. I hope this makes sense.

>>6739988
i am absolutely, unequivocally lost anon. I have no idea how to put any of this to practice. Thanks for the help anyway, but holy shit, i've never felt more stupid.

>>6739988
>>6739808
Here's an example of when I was studying the gradiation by pushing the cast shadows of the little forms that make up the texture. Here I'm imagining a single STRONG light source coming from the right, blasting out the detail where the texture is closest to the light source. Then, away from the light source, everything gets lost in the cast shadows.

It might be helpful to take some textured surface (placemat, keyboard, whatever) into a dark room with no lights on (like a bathroom) and then shine a flashlight directly onto the surface from an inch away. Or less. And just notice how the little forms cast their shadows. The texture exercise is basically drawing that. The light source that's lighting your object is also lighting the texture, so have the texture's little cast shadows act accordingly.

>>6739988
>>6739992
those aren't even boxes anymore, I don't know what to believe anymore

DONT ACTUALLY FOLLOW THAT MORON DRAWABOX HE SUCKS LOOK AT HIS ART HE FUCKING SUCKS

>>6739990
Okay. Try to do the little experiment I mention here. >>6739992
Maybe doing that and seeing the effect you're trying to replicate in person, in 3d, right in front of you, with your own eyes will help you get an idea. If not, don't worry. Just try it another time and move on to something else. I personally think the texture thing is probably introduced a little too early in DAB. If you don't grok it, just skip over and do more construction type stuff.

It's kind of like feeling the form. You have to feel the pattern of forms that make up the texture. Whatever texture you're gonna try to use, you have to study it and break down the little forms that combine to create the texture. If you don't understand the forms, then you can't light them to make them cast shadows. And you sure as shit can't make them cast shadows onto each other. It's honestly too advanced for that part of DAB IMO. I'd come back to it later if you just can't get the concept down yet. Don't get bogged down.

>>6739988
>>6739990
>>6739992
>>6739997
>>6740003
It's about feeling the form. Each step is feeling more complex forms. The texture thing is about feeling mini forms wrapped around bigger forms, and suddenly throwing in a weird cast shadow/rendering thing. It's fucky and hard, so if you don't understand it, just skip it until your ability to feel/understand/visualize forms is better. Here's another example.

>>6740001
Recommend a different thing that holds your hand and gives you shit to draw or piss off then

>come to /beg/
>look around
>feel mogged
>draw nothing
>leave sad

>repeat in about two days
I miss when 4chan bans would actually keep you from seeing the site. I actually went outside when those happened, and I'd use them tactically near finals.

>>6740015
destroy your pc and phone
now

>>6740011
And honestly, I think that once you get to the part where you're starting to construct things reliably and you've got a good-enough grasp of form that you can tell if something is flat or not or if the perspective is completely fucked or not, and you can combine things that feel solid, and you can wrap contour lines around things... You can quit doing drawabox and branch off to other stuff.

I got there around Lesson 4. (Then I fucked around, got disinterested in drawing/too lazy to hook up my tablet/caught up in other hobbies and stopped drawing for two years and am just coming back to it this month. I might revisit DAB actually.)

I think DAB is "feel the form" bootcamp. Then you can understand a bit better what Vilppu is talking about and you won't be hard filtered by constructing mannequins when figure drawing.
>>6739870
Thanks! I look forward to your octopus.
>>6740015
At least practice drawing basic forms if you feel down. They're pretty low stakes. Or maybe try drawing before you come to /beg/. Or, better yet, don't cherry pick the best examples in the thread so you can mentally abuse yourself with them.

>>6739952
#12, i’m slowly losing my mind, only 88 to go

>>6739952
>>6740040
faces start looking uglier (lol) and more 3d
you are improving anon!
this is the foundation for appealing faces that you are building
do perhaps create the first row of your 10x10 grid of face sketches (if you havent done so already). not only is it motivating to see how much work you put in and where you are starting to improve, it also will prevent you from feeling like you are stuck. progress is very gradual, think of the frog in boiling water metaphor. you might not even be noticing how much your perception of the human face has improved unless you can see #1 right above #11 in the row below

just compare the contour of the forehead, brow, eye socket, down to the cheek and the muzzle and chin, from pic #1 to #12. that is a huge step forward! those subtle and delicate curvatures were completely lacking in your first couple of drawings

>>6739876
lol

>>6739876

someone motivate me to do my studies I feel dead inside

>>6739755

might as well try
wish me luck anon

>>6740015
This used to happen to me but instead I would get mad that people were better than me and angrily draw instead

>>6740040
>actual improvement
wtf??

>>6740040
Are you doing Loomis head and hands book with your practice?

>>6740081
>drawing faces improves your ability to draw faces
CRABS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK

redpill me on peter han vs feng zhu

>>6740101
One draws porn with giant insects and the other doesn't

>>6740060
here’s the grid so far… it seems like a lot less work when you look at it like this but it’s definitely a lot of work

also yes i can feel the improvement, the first one looks like ugly shit now, i can’t even imagine how i’ll think it looks by the end of this

>>6740081
>>6740089
this is very shocking isn’t it?

>>6740083
i’m not, do you think i should start?

>>6740117
godspeed headanon

>>6739980
>>6739984
>the other anon whos doing 100 faces/heads is actually improving
>meanwhile mine still look like literal shit and show no signs of improvement
should I just fucking kill myself already?

i was gonna post old drawings but i might as well post the newer ones once i get around to them people already seen the taimanin asagi & friends one and the actual ones i tried putting in effort

okay maybe this one and then yeah

>>6739884
same old bullshit

I feel like my gestures improved a little bit after several days of grinding. But still I don't like them. I made 2 on the left last week without any timer. The others today with a timer. I think I need to add 3 minute iteration to fix mistakes I see after the 2 minutes one.

>>6740025
>I look forward to your octopus.
Sorry to disappoint, looks like there wasn't much to look forward to today. Today's went even worse than the one I did yesterday (>>6738509). Either it was something with the reference, or I just couldn't get into it today, orrrr I just fucked up the measurements/construction. Maybe all three, really. Still, I did draw something today (however bad it was) for about an hour, so that's still a win in my book.
I did get a better feel for representing the tentacles in 3D though (moreso in the ref deconstruction than on actual paper but oh well), even if it's still very-very far from perfect. Just gotta do it more, I suppose. But I'll probably try something other than octopus tomorrow.

>>6740015
>come to /beg/
>look around
>see lots of crabs lately
>draw in spite their pathetic crabbing
>revel in the knowledge that I am improve, while they are achieving nothing
>draw even more

>>6740072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czLYl4fM8yk

>>6740130
as the 100headsanon i think overlaying my reference with the drawing helped me a lot with seeing what i did wrong so maybe try doing that on the future ones?

brehs
i’m giving up at 50 skulls
can’t take this shit no more

>>6739952
>>6740040
>>6740117
Not too sure if you're still here, but how are you doing the 100heads thing/ how does the process go for it?
Are you following something from a book/ video or are you just tracing over the reference image with simple shapes, taking the result and then just looking and copying the details from the ref onto the created head

I'm thinking about learning penmanship and calligraphy to develop good motor control skills.
I've done the normal lines ellipses and boxes and I'm decent at those
But my handwriting, even when I focus on it, is pretty obviously inconsistent and uncontrolled.
I assume that must say something meaningful about my current capacity for fine control in drawing too.
Might be helpful for when ur doing fur and textures

Sounds like a reasonable idea?

>>6740101
eastern asian > western asian

>>6740157
Drawing animals like that with lots of same-y texture is hard for me as well, don't sweat it too much

>>6740172
What did you expect to gain from grinding skulls?
Other than becoming better at drawing skulls...

Any crit

>>6740225
head too big
neck too thin

I biffed the arm proportions but a funny monkey is a funny monkey.

>>6740225
>symbol drawing
its over

this one turned out a little off but i spent too much time on it so this is the finished version

>>6740180
it’s sorta hard for me to describe but basically i just trace over the reference and then draw what i see from there, overlaying a bunch of time to check proportions

here’s the timelapse for #13 maybe it’ll help, the overlaying for proportions doesn’t show up in the timelapse tho

https://files.catbox.moe/6ldv1s.mp4

>>6740239
>>6740225
rims real big
pockets real big

>>6740172
post 1st and 50th skull, let us see the difference

I hate my blind drawing tablet. I know it's just a lot of getting used to it, but still. In any anon's /beg/xperience is there value in trying out a screen tablet?

>>6739818
Is this a Nechronica character?

>>6740267
Ok, well thank you for showing your timelapse. Just gives me a better idea of how I might got about this heads thing whenever I get around to it.

>>6740172
This >>6740275

Is copying morpho a good way to learn how to construct the figure?

>>6740252
>>6740267
very insightful
you are bouncing around between facial features a lot
not that there should be a strict order - i mean it looks like you do a lot of work on one feature while "ignoring" the rest, then you move onto a different part and work on that while "ignoring" the rest.
it is difficult to put into words.
for example even though you did a good job at establishing the overall form of the head and its proportions, you did not draw the eyebrows until the very end. sure their position is mostly settled due to your work in getting the proportions and the forehead + eye are right - but just making a pair of simple brush strokes *earlier* in the process will help you in positioning other features.
another example is the nose, once you start working on it, you do almost all of the work on it in one go. whereas if you indicate its position and very rough form early on, it will be there to guide you on the rest of the features, waiting patiently until you pay attention to it and finish it fully.
expressed in terms of computer science, your workflow is depth-first, while i personally think breadth-first is better.
you dont build a house by erecting one wall, insulating it, painting it, installing its plumbing, hanging up pictures only to then start working on the second wall from scratch, pouring concrete.
you dont cook by making all parts of a dish after the other, you cook them more-or-less simultaneously.
i cant explain it well, and this is issue is not 100% objective, and additionally it might be too much burden on you at the moment - thinking not only about your subject but also about the very process by which you draw in a meta way.
just, try to pay attention how far into details you go on any part of the picture before switching to another part. awareness itself has little chance of being bad advice, at least i can package it that way.
anyways, good job anon

>>6740315
yeah i sorta have that weird “one at a time” thing in a lot of things in my life so it’s kinda weird that you pointed it out

ex: always finishing one thing on my plate before moving onto the next, having trouble with doing a lot of tasks unless they’re out in a checklist… when i type it out like that it sounds like a mental illness kek

but thank you for the advice, i’ll try to apply it on my next head, i quite ironically forget to add the eyebrows on a lot of my drawing so i need to get into the habit of drawing them

>>6739918
kek, based and straight to the point.

>>6740172
You're the kind of fag who complains about how you "practice for years" and see no results.

Draw your own version of this to check your progress

Starting over again with some heads.

>>6739876
>shitty weeb references
these images are terrible for learning

>>6739984
>>6739980
draw bigger

todays 10 min studies inspired by blop anon

>depressed, unmotivated, procrastrinating the whole day
>fear of the canvas
>force myself with all of my willpower to at least do some simple gesture drawings
>I drew several different things for 4 hours now

What is this magick? I don't get it.

>>6739982
you are not getting any (You)s because all any of us would say is self evident
impressive anon

>>6740412
action breeds motivation
not the other way around
stay strong king

What to do when I feel like I know how to draw something correctly(or at least I think so), but my hand just doesn't do as I want? I really feel like there's a disconnect between my intention and what I end up drawing, I get myself erasing and redoing the same lines several times, more time doing that than actually (trying)drawing. Almost a month of doing daily exercises, and it's something I feel since day 1, I have to do something about it.

>>6740416
Maybe you just simply lack the skill? Have you tried thumbnail sketching what you want to draw? Then when you have a good one start with simple sketching/scribbling and build up on that

>>6740384
Anon, that's an Asian woman

>>6740421
super pose books are fucking amazing makes me want to draw them all, coom power is something different

>>6740424

>>6740225
My crit is that you're a namefag and you shoult gtfo

>>6740275
>>6740303
sorry i took a nap
i have improved it’s just getting fucking tedious

>>6740442
are you using reference for these?

>>6740442
anon im so sorry

>>6740424
>no tats
>not fat
>no excessive makeup
It's amazing how those three things make her look appealing. Some would argue she's somewhat plain looking but by today's standards she looks really good.

>>6739662
>>6739676
Disregard crabs, acquire gains
>>6739688
>I haven't actually done any of this shit.
I rest my case.

>>6740172
>>6740442
>Giving up at 50
Mate, that's like... two hours of work. If you do 25 a day it will only take you a little over a month to reach 1k

>>6740449
give it to me straight anon..

>>6740157
It’s so cute!!

>>6740420
Very likely so. I feel like even the beginner's guide is way way way ahead of anything I can do, so I have nothing to follow and feel lost.

I never tried thumbnail sketching, I was mostly following the guide. I will give that a try and see how it goes. Thank you.

>>6740446
no.. the assignment was to draw skulls without ref then check reference afterward to see what i missed.

>>6740460
i’ll keep going for a bit then.. but i won’t be happy about it

>>6740479
Maybe you should look at skulls before you try to draw them. Like Finch’s Bridgman thing where you copy the picture while looking at it for reference, then you do it again from memory and compare it to the reference. If you want to be real hardcore, then you do one from imagination, applying what you learned.

>>6740485
are they that bad? :(

>>6740426
No, it makes it easier to find my comments. Also I stand by what I say so no need to hide.

>>6740487
rather than asking us, how did the second part of your assignment go? what did you miss in your most recent skull?

I want to draw like this

>>6740457
that image i kekd

>>6740526
Why?

>>6740442
I suggest working off of square shapes rather than spherical or circular as it can make placing reference points easier. Also drawing head on and side views are a good way to get a feel for proportions

>>6740536
thank you for the advice!! i appreciate it

>>6739755
>>6740073

this...this is actually kind of fun

anon what have you done

Hello beg. Yes this is literally inside perspective book. They ran out of things to talk about in volume two so this happened.

>>6740442
>A you hated the exercise so much you didnt put in the effort
>B you didnt learn anything
I hope it is option A and that some of the skulls are actually better
>>6740416
just draw (more)
>>6740308
dunno about "best", but it definitely should serve you well in that regard
>>6740276
you can check out the tablet general, there are post from anons from both sides of barricade. all i will say that buying expensive hardware or tools isnt substitute for skill. you still have to draw
>>6740252
anon is improving! thumbs up
>>6740185
when you are writing your brain switches from drawing mode into writing mode where it uses "muscle memory" for each letter which makes them look as ugly as usual. you need to exert conscious effort to keep focused on making the letters clean. also you should start actual drawing course ala keys to drawing, not grinding geometry
>>6740154
fuck the timer, just try to do them quickly. worrying about time only distracts you from feeling the flow
>>6740117
dont post the references, wasted space. stretch the heads instead for better visibility
>>6740130
PYW!
>>6739949
keys to drawing
>>6739904
congratulations, you figured out drawabox is terrible just in 25 boxes. some retards do thousands of them and still have nothing to show off for it
>>6739841
you are on right path, keep going
>>6739926
that anon was sarcastic
>>6739795
try to actually finish your shit before asking for crit
>>6739776
honestly they are probably trolling or crabbing. i dont believe there are people in this thread who want to learn how to draw and dont know WHAT to draw or WHY they want it
>>6739691
it isnt cheating. it is essential FUNDAMENTAL skill you need to master to be fast and have line confidence while keeping lines flow. It is basically: dont erase, draw lightly at the start.
>>6739656
you learn gesture by drawing them, not by reading

my hand hurts lol

>>6740308
You'd be better off going through Hampton, Vilppu, Huston or Proko first. Once you've learned how to analyze the figure from life/photo reference and can construct it yourself, then you can take advantage of the simplifications in Morpho. The Morpho books are pretty sparse with instruction, they are more like reference books.

>>6740572
>just draw (more)
I am drawing every single day. The goal is 1h/day, sometimes more, sometimes less. But still draining.

>he only draws boxes?

>>6740572
Which book are you studying from, still keys to drawing?

>>6740596
there are other shapes too!

>>6740572
Activate your goddamn windows

I have no idea what I'm doing, is this even fixable? Also, do I really have to grind boxes? I just want to draw cute girls, but there's no draw 250 qts tutorial. Is there an optimal book/learning path for women>clothes>*then* objects and backgrounds?

>>6740554

lmao get rekt fgt

>>6740572
>I hope it is option A and that some of the skulls are actually better

>>6740487
I'm not saying that. I've seen better, but I've also seen (and drawn) worse. I'm saying there might be more effective and time efficient ways to practice

>>6740613
>I have no idea what I'm doing, is this even fixable?
No
>Also, do I really have to grind boxes?
What on earth makes /beg/s attracted to drawabox like moths into flame. I don't fucking understand.
>I just want to draw cute girls, but there's no draw 250 qts tutorial.
You have brainrot. Terminal zoomer brain. You don't need a tutorial.
JUST FUCKING DRAW 250 CUTE GIRLS IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT

>>6740334
Anon doesn't even have a point and didn't help him at all.

>>6740625
At what point did I imply I had any attraction to drawing boxes you retarded infant tier reading comprehension faggot

>>6740632
>At what point did I imply I had any attraction to drawing boxes you retarded infant tier reading comprehension faggot
there, second sentence
>Also, do I really have to grind boxes?

>>6740642
Do you even know what the word attraction means, that's a clearly expressed aversion

>>6740648
Do *you* even know the meaning of the word "attraction" in the metaphor that is "moths attracted to a flame"?
The moth has no conscious desire to fly into the flame, yet it circles the flame in ever tighter circles until it burns up.

You expressed desire to draw 250 cuties and lamented the fact that there is no 250 cuties tutorial like there is the drawabox meme.

You asked if you "really need to grind 250 boxes" even though drawabox is shit.

You are drawn to DAB like a moth to a flame.

Why the fuck do I even talk to you.
Go fuck yourself crab. And good luck with finding a tutorial for everything in your life including wiping your ass.

>>6740625
It's legitimately hard for people to grasp that those shitty drawings you do in the beginning are okay. They expect to wait until they can draw semi-decent qts, and THEN they'll do 250 of them, because they're worried if they draw 250 shitty qts they'll form Bad Habits.

>>6740596
Yes.

>>6740572
>honestly they are probably trolling or crabbing
theres that old stinker for the 1000th time. Maybe one of these times i'll be able to choose something to draw, and then draw it. Maybe then you'll believe im being genuine? Idk, but today is not that day. I'll see you later, keys-shill.

>>6740654
Pyw, or is bitching in /beg/ threads your real hobby? I'm not reading another character of your inane, autistic rambling

>>6740625
>JUST FUCKING DRAW 250 CUTE GIRLS IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT
Fucking. How.

>>6740676
pic related

>>6740677
>>6739846
>>6739863
just. start. drawing.

>>6740596
boxes looks better than this

>>6740677
You're a MOTH bro!! Asking for direction in a thread intended for advising and directing beginners towards a path to artistry? You're a hopeless flying insect! Just slam your head against the wall with no regard for the tools and knowledge acquired over the years by an untold number of professionals and figure it out! Shit is like telling a non-musician "just play the trumpet bro" or a novice woodworker "just work the wood! Just make the thing you want!".

>>6740685
>just. start. drawing.
you want me to follow those other things you linked? ok, i have no idea how i'd start, but ok.

say i do, then what?

>>6739567
Word of advice: Don't do Drawabox.
Years of trying to draw, looking around, trying and failing various exercises, learning NOTHING from all the books you people shill, and this is my magnum opus. Drawabox is the only thing I could do, now I know how to draw a box. Yippee. Now what?
Hell, it's been so long since i've done the course, I don't know if this box is even good anymore.

>>6740696
I don’t think you were able to absorb very much. You might try video courses instead. I highly recommend vilppu

>>6740696
All according to plan

>>6740685
noice. Where do you get your references?

>>6740696
try drawing a box within the cone of vision next time there champ

>>6740710
Yes, i've seen the old man. Though never actually watched one of his courses.
I'll try that next, can't hurt any more than the stupid books from here.

>>6740715
the what

>>6740717
Yeah, I'd give video courses a try. Vilppu, Huston, Hampton. Pick one you understand/like well enough and give it a shot.
>>6740685
I've decided I'm gonna try drawing boobs

>>6739567
Im trying surrealism

>finish drawing
>"it looks feeat! I'm gonna do more"
>can't get to draw, pick a draft and stick with it
What should I do in this situation?

>>6740725
Study English for a little.

>>6740579

>>6740732
reference

>>6740718
well if you read the first chapters any of the books covering perspective you'd know

>>6740731
I just woke up ffs

>>6740735
>>learning NOTHING from all the books you people shill
Please read what I said before. Drawabox was the only thing I was capable of learning from

>>6740682
Those are some nice tiddies.

>>6740690
strawman + reductio ad absurdum

>>6740693
>you want me to follow those other things you linked? ok, i have no idea how i'd start, but ok.
>say i do, then what?
and then you draw some more. and you start noticing commonalities in your subject and commonalities in your own mistakes. you focus on what you notice, improve, repeat, iterate. you practice regularly
you dont have to follow my way of drawing or anything
just draw
there is a reason that phrase is like an unofficial motto of the /beg/ threads second only to "loomis"


>>6740714
that one was from imagination
you can tell by the fact that i drew two right hands lol
(and that the anatomy is much less defined than what i can produce in practice from refs)

>>6740740
yes I'm aware of what you said and what I'm saying is you clearly didn't even read them so its no duh you didn't learn anything.

>>6740384
??
These poses books are specifically made for artists

>>6740747
"Just draw" is an over simplification that glosses over concerns of beginners and, ironically, keeps them from drawing. To an actual beginner when they just draw it comes out looking like fucking trash.

So they go to the books and can't learn shit because they're not practicing line control by drawing fun things. Grinding circles/curves/boxes fucking sucks, nobody has fun doing that, so they stop before they improve and quit trying for months before doing it all over again. It's an endless fucking loop most of the /beg/s here will never, ever crawl out of.

"Just draw" is meaningless until you can properly study on your own.

>>6740572
>fuck the timer, just try to do them quickly. worrying about time only distracts you from feeling the flow
Nah, when I draw without a timer, I quickly lose the sense of time and can easily spend 10 minutes redrawing one shitty gesture over and over.

>>6740757
Chief, tell me, if I don't learn something, how am I to apply it?
I HAVE read them. You can't fucking tell me what I have and haven't read. THEY DONT HELP.

>>6740747
>just draw
>and then you draw some more
fantastic. whats going to happen is i will be able to draw boxes, tits, and nothing else

>>6740763
Dont you move the goal posts on me. The original post that started this chain was
>I have no idea what I'm doing, is this even fixable? Also, do I really have to grind boxes? I just want to draw cute girls, but there's no draw 250 qts tutorial. Is there an optimal book/learning path for women>clothes>*then* objects and backgrounds?
>I just want to draw cute girls, but there's no draw 250 qts tutorial.
To which i replied, you dont need a tutorial to draw 250 qts. You. Just. Draw.

Sure a /beg/ that just mindlessly starts drawing will produce unsatisfactory or even demotivating results. But that was not the point. The point was that the search for the perfect tutorial / course / book / art teacher is a constant filter for /beg/s and my frustration with how allergic they seem to be to the act of actually drawing.

>>6740771
>fantastic. whats going to happen is i will be able to draw boxes, tits, and nothing else
How, HOW did you get drawing boxes mixed in again. I am borderline derailing this thread by how opposed I am to drawing boxes lmao. I swear drawing boxes is like slenderman. You look away and boom there it is again.
>i will be able to draw boxes, tits, and nothing else
you draw tits. and you do the same with faces. and with whole figures. and with clothing. and with extravagant poses. and with varied facial expressions.

Also this is my last reply in this drama. I am not changing the minds of anybody that would benefit from it it seems.

>>6740769
Books don’t work when you’re illiterate.

>>6740780
Hello sir. Can you post non anime drawing you made? Thank you

>>6740785

>>6740572
>PYW!
I already did its the 2 posts I linked in my reply

>>6740747
Nice Harry Potter spell, sperg. Everyone here is presumed to be drawing, that's why they are on this board and in this thread. If you spent 5% of the effort you've put into bitching about drawabox/explaining why you're such a dick head on providing a genuine critique or resource recommendation you might have actually helped somebody.

>>6740785
>>6740787

>>6740597
>Which book are you studying from
He studies from Framed Perspective.

>>6740785
>>6740787
>>6740791

>>6740780
Wasn't trying to move the goal posts, just trying to explain why people always throw up their arms and don't listen to your advice.

It's not that the advice is bad, it's that you're dealing with people who are too /beg/ to just draw.

>>6740780
>how allergic they seem to actually drawing
But the first post you replied to supplied a drawing, so are you actually just an asshole jerking yourself off?

>>6740780
Drew some fat tiddies. Whatcha think?

Btw, I think your hatred for drama box (autocorrect but I’m leaving it because… yeah, it fits.) is a little over the top. I think the 250 boxes meme is… eh, I can see why it could be problematic. I think people taking DAB too seriously could be a problem maybe if they get burned out. It’s really not about boxes. It’s basically just a more autistic introductory version of dynamic sketching. I think the first few lessons are genuinely worth it for a complete beginner. They helped me feel the form, get a basic sense of rudimentary perspective, and prepared me for making sense of what the fuck vilppu was talking about. I think it’s a good introduction to the concept of construction.
>>6740669
>tfw nobody noticed box chad

Goodnight anons. Remember to have fun.

>>6740781
Glorious. Now if I were illiterate, what would you recommend instead? The video courses like that other guy said?

I am a box

>>6740787
>>6740791
>>6740793
Holy basado

>>6740780
>you dont need a tutorial to draw 250 qts. You. Just. Draw.
How.

>>6740811

>>6740803
>>6740811
Dude there's no helping you, you're either a troll or you just want to bitch about nothing

...it was a shizo all along LMFAO

>>6740813
look at this >>6739754
ill make it more specific for you cause i know you guys dont like the broad 'how do i draw' shit
how EXACTLY do i draw the qts, then

>>6740813
Lmao

>>6740819
https://e-hentai.org/g/2087863/5ac74f968f/
now please fuck off and draw

>>6740813
wtf this is gold
source?

>>6740816
>>6740815
This old shit again, I mean really, do you guys just not get stuck? Ever? First off, there's more than one person here asking this question, secondly, I for one at least have the video courses I can go to.

>>6740816
>>6740815
if you don't recognize him by now you need to lurk moar

>>6740821
>another book
oy vey...

>>6740823
I recognize this stupid motherfucker, he's probably that retard that was spamming the traced video game art from Xenogears of the Dragonball Z people shitting eggs or if he's not, the energy is close enough to not matter. He's got that same energy as a middle aged retard complaining about still working at Walmart despite having an entire life to dedicate to anything else and actively choosing not to, then blaming everyone around them for things they chose to do. I guess we all take the b8 at some point

>>437492778
Any critique?

I tried spending some more time with shading and going in one direction like somebody previously said to do with these timed sketches.
Some parts just look a bit weird like the values feel like it's too much.

I also have a massive problem with my brush size. I have an 11 inch display and i have to zoom in really hard to draw.

sorry didn't mean to quote anybody for >>6740831

>>6740830
Drop the shit for once, what can I do to prove to you guys i'm not baiting? That i'm 100% dead fucking serious? You want me to fuck off and draw? I'm still looking for that video course I was told to get.

>>6740803
>>6740811
Unlike the guy unironically showing off his Trump fan art, I'll give you actual advice anon.

Ignore the books and videos for now. Start copying shit you like. Traditional fans will say to draw from life, but you can do whatever you find fun and inspirational. It really doesn't matter, the goal here is to train your brain into seeing semi-accurately. Do memes, manga, comics, coomer shit, whatever gets you going most.

This is the part you're missing, and why Draw A Box is the only one that worked - DAB is the only one that assumes you're just picking up a pencil for the first time. It starts you off grinding line accuracy and asks you to start copying exercises right away. Remember learning how to write? They didn't tell you to "just write", you copied the shapes until you built your visual library.

This pre-/beg/ tier is what most artists learn when they're kids, so as adults they can't wrap their heads around it and get overly shitty at adult beginners who can't grasp something so 'simple'. Try not to let them bother you.

t-t-t-t-t-t-tips....

How do I know what I want to draw though

>>6740613
Look up samdoesart and try and study his girls proportions. He has a facial breakdown that's really really helpful for cute girls my study on sam

>>6740837
If you don't want to draw anything, just don't draw.

>>6740836
Ay great line art and fun pose. Maybe add shadow from the folds of the clothes and some texture or variation on the hair

image too large sorry

titititititititips.-...?

>>6740835
Well holy fucking shit, a real person for once.
I'll try that stuff if the video course doesn't work out, maybe I didn't make it clear enough how I barely know how to operate a pen. Thank you anon.

>>6740837
aye, there's the bait.
for the record, this guy isn't me

>>6740840
thank you thank you. what kinda folds like clothes falling in on each other?

I'm not (You)ing you anymore unless you post actual pictures of these supposed books, not PDFs you just found online, that failed to teach you and only if you can offer proof of timestamped practices from your sketchbook
>>6740835
Do not feed this guy

>>6740837
I got to pinterest and build up a repotroire of cute art, clothing, models, tutorials and so on.
Then when I want an idea i go to the front page I then get tons of pins and sort of just mix and match poses, gestures, clothing and get something new in the end.


I recommend setting up an account, and then making boards for stuff like clothing, hair, tutorials, styles of fashion and so on.

>>6740845
>post actual pictures of these supposed books, not PDFs you just found online
You want me to post the real books? What's the difference?
Off the top of my head, it'd be the beginner ones everyone likes to shill. Like Keys to Drawing, Right Side of The Brain, Fun With a Pencil, hell even Perspective Made Easy.
>and only if you can offer proof of timestamped practices from your sketchbook
Tablet, and unfortunately that won't happen, as I don't save anything I don't like
I know you won't like hearing that, I know you'll keep thinking i'm baiting, but I got a real answer from someone else, so I no longer care.

What the hell am I drawing here.

>>6740813
Soulful

Can i get a show of hands as to anyone who actually completed any long tutorial/course in the sticky from start to finish?

>>6740853
really naisu

>>6740853
Something you're not paying enough attention to.

>>6740878
Blog?

>had furniture changed some time ago
>got a coffee table instead of proper desk because laptop doesn't need much space and I have an actual table if I ever get guests
>now no desk and no proper chair means I cannot even sit down comfortably to draw
>tfw
I fucked myself over, now I have to figure something out or I will never get any decent amount of drawing done.

>>6740457
>going from top to bottom in 5 months
Did you really have no drawing experience from before?

>>6740925
Check your math

>>6740929
January 22nd to May 22nd is 4 months. May 22nd to June 23rd is 1 month. 1+4=5 I believe unless I have fucked up along the way.

>>6740932
Pretty sure it's Jan '22, May '22, and Jun '23.

As in a year and a half of progress.

>>6740932
You missed the years; it's 18 months of progress (I wish it was only 5 months)

>>6740935
So is that it? Copy shit out of Hampton then Bridgeman twice, that's all you did?

>>6740934
>>6740935
Oh, ok. Still miles better than my shit, and I've been drawing for 2 years and taken semester courses in life drawing. What was the schedule and approach to this exactly? Pic related is my garbage, but I want to be like you and make something actually good.

>>6740835
>>6740843
>Ignore the books and videos for now. Start copying shit you like.
>Traditional fans will say to draw from life, but you can do whatever you find fun and inspirational.
In other words
>just draw
>mfw

>>6740937
>>6740938
I made a big writeup a while ago, lmk if you still have questions
>>/ic/thread/6715512#p6717479
I drew every day, but most days only drew for around 45 minutes. And essentially yes I just did hampton's video course and then the finch bridgman thing. With photo studies along the way. Will Weston's figure drawing stuff was also a big help. But tl;dr
>get your fundies down (80% accuracy per krenz, markmaking, simple solids in perspective (boxes and cylinders esp), foreshortening, gesture, rudimentary anatomy)
>steal a process from a better artist (hampton, loomeme, weston) - not an atelier sight-size method, something visdev/animation/manga guys use to draw from imagination (bridgman outlines his own rudimentary method in his book in the first few pages, I found it helpful for copying his drawings and drawing from reference but not so much for imagination drawing)
>do studies of artists (the bridgma grindset) using that process and do memory drawings to reinforce
>apply those techniques to photo studies
>do memory drawings of those and "invent" (push gesture, change arm position, etc) to work out imagination drawing
>do that until your hand falls off

>>6740943
Hmmm, ok, thank you Anon.

>>6740943
The first step feels like a years long filter to a beg. How are you judging your accuracy with the Krenz method?

>>6740942
That's what that's saying, then?
Well how about instead of saying 'Just draw' when someone like me comes along, offer detailed advice that can actually be followed, yeah?
Maybe then you'll get more people 'Just drawing'

Is this somewhat passable as pralines? I already accepted that the hand won't be good in this one, but at least I had fun with these

>>6740943
>Morpho (The big one)
I don't think I've heard of this morph book before, where do you get this book and what is it about?

>>6740952
No problem!
>>6740955
It takes 3 days to learn (drawing on the right side of the brain) but a while to make it a habit. You'll spend a lifetime mastering it, so just getting it "good enough" is... well, good enough.
>>6740959
Morpho: Anatomy for Artists

>>6740962
Did you use all the random garbage Right Side wants you to buy, or is there a way to do it without spending 40 dollars on useless shit?

any critique

>>6740971
Oh hell no, all you need is a paper and pencil.

>>6740962
Ah ok, thanks for the clarification

>>6740294
yes, it's a request I took on /tg/

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>>6739839
copying is the only way i can improve but it feels kinda bad. I feel dirty when I do it. Why am I retarded?

>>6741016
any video game that needs a build, skill tree, loadout, you go online to find the best one and copy it. its the same for drawing.

>>6739567


man I should have started a lot sooner

>>6741021
>any video game that needs a build, skill tree, loadout, you go online to find the best one and copy it
Only if you're bad at the game and don't care about understanding and engaging with underlying mechanics.

>>6741016
It's retard crab gaslight and only people who never learned to draw who parrot that. Copying good works is a great exercise. And you SHOULD do it. Only those who don't know how to hold a pencil will tell you otherwise.

>>6740981
The face looks soulless, for lack of a better word. I can't put my finger on what exactly is wrong with it, but the expression doesn't look like there's a person behind it.
What is she wearing? my first impression was a silken straightjacket, but I don't think that's it.

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new shill material dropped
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>>6740799
hot

>>6739755
don't skip the potato heads, they are the backbone of all the art you will ever do

>>6740452
yellow fever in action

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>>6740615
Good luck Anon!

>>6741168
They're too discouraging for beginners, I should've worded it better to make sure they should go back to it after- but I can't really say it should be the complete beginning thing because of how infamous the book is to "picking up and putting down". It's a VERY good book, I just want beginners to experience some of the meat in it.

>>6740696
The better advice is to not stay at Drawabox
The point is to learn what 3d objects look like in different angles on a 2d plane
Boxes are coincidentally just the easier shapes that you can use as a reference for it

how do I make her look older but not uglier

>>6740615
If she isn't really giving him a wallop, I'm a chinaman!

>>6740679
I recognize those facial features, got a blog yet?

My second full artwork after getting a wacom cintiq a year ago. My experience with art has been mainly traditional monochrome sketches(although I have done pixel sprite work and some other miscellaneous digital art) so this was a big project to me. This is something I made for a friend over the course of two weeks approximately. My other friend recommended I post here to see what I can improve on past what she has already said.

>>6740685
Not bad....but please take some time to study the foot of the human body please lol

>>6740847
that loli in the green hoody is 100% ai

>>6741836
Oval face. Longer nose