/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6732736
Some of the faces in the pic are actually pretty good, no? Like the ones near "Do not just draw!", and Midna's too.

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/basic-head-structure-building-blocks-41ced1d0f8d84ddcaea40afddf607d5e

copy this in a lot of angles
a lot

>>6732736

>>6732734
Repoosting here just in case, that thread seems kinda dead and the subject matter of the question is fitting enough for this one too.

>>6732736
One page of loomis a day keeps the no draw begs away

>>6731871
That's kinda weird, you basically completed multiple books about the same topic but didn't scratch an anatomy-focused book

>>6732736
the op is a jealous faggot, this face is really good and the anon is mid /int/

>>6732775
>>6732748
the op just made a collage of drawings from the last thread to build a sense of community, they didn't mean anything by it!
Please be patient with them they're trying their best!

AHAHAHAHAHA

My drawing is so shit you dont evwn rwply calling it shit, ok

I tried your fucking Loomis before, didnt fucking work

>>6732736
strabinsky faces always make me giggle

Not even worth a single reply
No talent at all

>Not even worth a single reply
No, but not because of the drawing itself.
>No talent at all
Because of this shit.

Just figured out how to properly use the csp perspective ruler so I corrected my original wonky hand drawn stuff in pink with the green

What else should I add to make the interior feel likely?

It's over for me

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

I'm no Picasso, that's for sure
My drawings are a total blur
I pick up a pen, but it's understood
I'm never gonna draw something good

Never gonna feel the form
Never gonna make it pop
Colors all wrong, my skills, a flop
I'm never gonna draw something good
No masterpiece from me, understood

>>6732795
idk maybe make it less gay?

>>6732795
idk maybe platns but you're int or pro, *kneels*

>>6732795
*lively

>>6732810
>He doesnt hang out shirtless with the homies while passionately discussing the importance of keeping up with meta builds
I'm gonna put shorts on the big guy, does that count?

>>6732820
Oo good idea ty
Might put some in the foreground beside the couch to the right

>>6732795
maybe some things to make it feel more lived in. paper or mail on the coffee table. a sweater on the couch. idk.

>>6732795
idk...maybe some vase with plants?
More clutter like magazines or newspaper on the coffee table?
Maybe chage one of the drawers to bookshelve/trophy case on the cabinet?
plushies or cushions behind the couch?
Perhaps game cases lying around or stored somewhere?

>>6732781
>>6732788
Here's some advice.
Take your meds.

>>6732775
>anime
>good

>>6732736
op added my face twice, the colored and the uncolored version

i mean i’m a little flattered since my stuff hasn’t been put in the op before but still

is Dynamic Sketching 1 by Patrick Ballesteros anon shared in some other thread a good course?
in online cou rses c lub?
patrick's art seems cute
but i've done first 2 weeks and it seems like DAB, which is bad

>>6732790
Bullshit you know I have no talent and can never improve
>>6732841
How long have you been drawing?
>>6732848
My only meds should be talent but i was not born with a single bit

>>6732878

IGNORED
TALENTLESS

>>6732736
gonna dump some figure drawings i did yesterday in here

critique is welcome

>>6732781
>>6732788
Instead of calling me shit, at the very least that
you made me realize im not in with the club
I have no talent
>>6732837
>>6732833
>>6732841
>>6732858

>>6732736

>>6732903
How long have you been drawing?

>>6732903

>>6732795
Put objects that are rotated. When you have everything parallel it gets boring

>>6732913
i’ve been just drawing for fun without learning fundies for 5 years but i’ve been learning fundimentals for the past few months

>>6732914

>>6732918

>>6732914
>>6732903
why don't you make screenshots? LMMAAAAAOOOOO

>>6732920
i suck at drawing faces from different angles, i need to practice it more, thinking about doing a 100 portrait challenge

>>6732921
shh i’m lazy and also ignore the home screen bar at the bottom i didn’t notice it

>>6732903
here’s the version with eyes of this, watch an hour long video on drawing faces from different angles so i felt confident enough to give it a shot

>>6732916
Why am I talentless? Might want to share some crit please
>>6732781
>>6732788
>>6732902

Just ban this fucking schizo already

Ah, I see why some people thought I was trolling when I was smashing my head against how the fuck to start drawing a couple weeks ago. Good lord.

>>6730142
I decided to only focus on gestures for a time, before moving on to skeleton landmarks. Did about 20 gestures without a timer, next I'll try with progressive timer. Am I getting at least a little bit better? Don't mind retarded proportions yet

>>6732946
Why am I talentless? You didn't reply to >>6732781
>>6732788
why?

>>6732788
>>6732781
>>6732910


What do you want people to say exactly? like you have 0 construction under your work to demonstrate that you're attempting loomis so yeah, go through the entire process of setting up the loomis head. None of the features are correctly aligned and none of the feature have any kind of convincing structure. Loomis very clearly has a section detailing eyes, noses, mouths and you dont seem to be attempting any of it.

Talent isnt a factor here, stop being impatient/lazy and trying to cut corners. Learning isnt a sexy process

>>6732956
Now what?
Admit I have no talent and tell me why

>>6732964
you're not following your own vertical construction line
I mean, you're gonna have people point out obvious thing like this to you? Just look at it

>>6732972
>>6732972
It's because I have no talent, it's obvious
Say it

>>6732978
needy masochists are so gross, stfu, find a dominatrix and keep it to yourself

>>6732982
>>6732982
SAY IT
WHY DO I HAVE NO TALENT?
SAY IT FUCKER OR YOUR THREAD'S GONE

>>6732964
>>6732978
>>6732984


You have no talent because you are being impatient. There.
Please leave this thread and go draw 10 more heads then come back. This is your final (you) for today.

>>6732985
don't indulge him, this tickles hit brain boner for punishment, ignore him until he fucks off or a janny takes care of him

>>6732985
wHY WOULD i DRAW 10 more heads when I'll just fail

>>6732984
nobody is born with a talent for drawing you either draw alot and become better or you don't some are born with higher attribute stats in intelligence and problem solving and have a headstart but that doesn't mean that you can't get to their level with alot of focused hard work and discipline now fuck off and draw slowly review what you drew see the problems with it and learn from them

>>6732978
It's Over! You have to stop! Give up!

>>6732991
>>6732992
WHY AM I TALENTLESS
SAY IT

>>6732978

>i have no talent
>much cry

christ you're back?
I really have nothing to say to you now, as I tried to then, but sad to see nothing has changed anon. I can say you have no talent.
But you know, even though everyone has always complimented me on my talent for art, i can tell you its far from the only factor in succeeding.

instead of celebrating your faults and carrying that weight, you are just unloading it on us.

and you dont care. thats why you fail. not because of talent or talentless, but what do i know. im sooo goood at art and totally never get frustrated either.

you have no talent. You have no talent. Give up. give up already.

these are not things im tellign (you) to do but rather the nitpicking voice within my own head that tells me to give up. i dont care anymore, spam up /ic/.

why you have no talent? i dont know why man. just give up already. is that what you want to hear? do you have a fetish for hearing that or something? why else would someone do this?

>>6733017
Yes, I have no talent but why, give me an answer now

>>6733020

why? because god hates you. I dont believe in god but ill tell you why you dont have talent if you can me why I do have talent.

why do i have talent , and you don't, anon?

what do you think?

>>6733020
Did you draw this

>>6733024
Genetics, you are probably asian
Aagain, why did I fail?
>>6733025
Fuck off retard

do i have potential?

>>6733026

You're right on genetics.

following a 23andme test I am 49% Ahkenazi jew 49% Russian 2% chinese.

im not asian. im just that nigga™

>>6733035
is that Marin from Fear and Hunger

>>6732736
Are the requirements to only draw on larger sizes of paper and only at a proper desk that most books and courses give absolutely necessary? Will I really kill all possibility of progress if I mostly just sketch in a small-ish notebook while in bed? Or are those requirements only for those aiming to be pros? Is any mileage good mileage?

>>6732736
was raising slime molds in a culture and though, 'what if slime girls acted more like slime molds than they traditionally do?"

>>6733042
bro you arleady know the answer, you can draw well in a sketchbook, literally what the fuck is stopping you
People draw on walls and with sand and shit you think a few inches of paper will fuck you up?

>>6733017
Anon stop replying to the genuinely retarded animal. This is just many of esdeath schizo's multiple personalities like
>mikufag
>makimafag
>36 month schizo
>anti-construction schizo
>carpal tunnel schizo
>aphantasia schizo
>scribble schizo

Just fucking draw and leave this guy alone.

>>6733035
Shut up nigger

If you're gonna go on and on about great genetics please at least post your big juicy penis meant for impregnation.
Not a very genetelmanly thing to keep us waiting like that

I reject notalent-anon's premise. He has a pathological victim mentality. "It's not my fault, I just don't have the inherent magical talent-gene other artists have". It gives him a guilt-free "out" and it lets him wallow in self-pity, rather than drawing, studying, analyzing his/other people's art.

Or he's just trolling.

>>6733076
nigga, he seeks rhetorical violence, your mind couldn't comprehend the ways this fag is fucked up

decided to do that 100 head thing, don’t really care enough to look at how you’re supposed to do it some in just gonna draw 100 heads

i tried to draw more realistically than usual but i’m wondering if i should just lean into the anime stylization for this, any advice would be appreciated

>>6733078
>>6733076
I am like this too but recently i've realized there are things that i actually want to have done so i must get good even if the talent gene is real and i don't have it.

>>6733076
>>6733078
I have no talent

>>6733052
>you can draw well in a sketchbook
Well that's the thing, I can't. A lot of people say that using smaller mediums and not sitting at a desk while doing so is a very bad idea for complete beginners because it encourages memorizing "wrong" hand movements and forming bad habits, so I'm wondering if I maybe fucked up.

Adopt this mindset begs and you will make it
half drawing is manifestation the other half is work

>>6733111
and the work is 1/2 mileage 1/2 fundies

also
>manifestation
are you female?

>>6733122
I think it is a girl

These threads used to have a certain topic or picture for begs to copy and get to drawing.

>>6733167
Draw this

>>6732736

But it barely resembles the reference? Her hips are literally twisted in the opposite direction??

>>6733122
>are you female?
I am male but i've been told i'm unmasculine. I'm pretty short too.
I know manifestation is bullshit but sometimes you gotta huff up on those shrooms to make it. Positive thinking isn't magic but you gotta have it to do stuff.
No beg who's all "I'M NEVER GONNA MAKE IT, WAAAGH" will make it, even if they do study.

>>6733196
Exaggerate to make more interesting. Exaggerating certain features is the bases for a lot of art, think cartoons having big eyes to be more expressive

>>6732902
>drew five pictures in 2022
>hasn't drawn anything in 2023
Bro... You need to actively draw in order to git gud.

>>6733202
There is a line between exaggeration and drawing the exact opposite of what you see.

ink on oil on canvas

>>6733202
Exaggeration can work, if you preserve the spirit of the original.

But here a gentle apprehensive pose has been transformed into the pose of a skunk, ready to spray her victim.

>>6733192
Cool, I like the bunny girl

How do I view the full resolution of an image on Deviantart and not just the shitty downscaled one? There used to be a download button of to the side but its not there anymore.

Why did I fail?

>>6733296
oh, are you 4 months schizo? It's been 4 years now, buddy

>>6733222
i'd buy the fuck out of that

Owari Da.

>>6733309
Why did I fail?

>>6733381
because you don't draw and you have a zoomer brain that can't concentrate and pay attention, it's over. Just download stable diffusion and tell yourself that you're an artist now.

>>6733167
I'm back.

Todays homework: Draw this rock

>>6733383
Again, why did I fail?

>>6733388
You don't feel the form. *spits* pathetic.

>>6733394
You're right. Why can't I feel it?

Do I really need to go super deep into shapes and construction and figure drawing and perspective and whatnot like the sticky suggests if I just want to draw silly cutesy simplictic characters like picrel, perhaps even simpler? What do I focus on to beeline being able to do something like that? And can I pick up and expand on the fundamentals later? That way I could mix practice and exercises with drawing what I like instead of starting out with just doing exercises all the time.

>>6733399
Because you don't draw and slowly read a beg book and do the exercises. Feeling the form is thinking that you're putting your pen into an 3d space. You need to visualize the dimensions. This can only be achieved through alot of drawing more.

>>6733402
Just draw what you wanna draw and when you encounter a problem look it up and study the resolution to your problem. At first I would just copy some shit so you get some dexterity with your hand and you can draw straight lines.

>>6733403
Esoteric bullshit. It's because of talent.
Give me one thing to sketch where the form should be felt

Why does it feel like 30% or more of this board look like this when drawing? Are they mentally ill? Is it because art has a low barrier of entry so these retards think they can do it without putting in any work?

>>6733411
Exactly, they are used to getting instant gratification, drawing is slow, methodical. The exact opposite of everything they do all day. I swear smartphones ruined a whole generation.

>>6733405
>when you encounter a problem look it up and study the resolution
You see, I'm so new at this I wouldn't even know where to begin.
>At first I would just copy some shit
Is it really okay to just copy lines and 2D shapes as I see them? From what I understand ideally I would want to learn how to break an image (a "reference" I guess) down into cubes and beans and whatever else and then build it up from there myself? But that's a little too advanced for me right now.

>>6733411
because this site is full of misery, everyone looks like the pic you posted by default no matter what board
>>6733414
pyw boomer

>>6733411
the people that like drawing are doing that instead of posting

One thing that pisses me off is how he talks about failure as an absolute in the past tense as if learning to draw is something you can fail at in any way except giving up on it. Learning is a continuous process.

>>6733435
I failed, simple as that.
If you're not naturally good, you'll never be good.
Can you just choose to be a quarterback? Why am I talentless?

>>6733030
Face looks okayish
Trunk has some depth but needs more
Something seems off about shoulderposition, try and studdy the scapula humerous relationship. Remember that most animals besides humans and monke do not have a clavicle
Also hindlegs look a bit off. Lacks adefinded hip area
A bit messy but you know
We are here because we are all begs
Maybe someone else can give better bointers, try and study anatomy. Most bones and muscles are the same in all land mamals but proportions of those structures differ greatly so study one animal (human for example) and you will find others a lot easyer to learn.
Keep at it if you like to keep going at it

Me
>pic elated :
My footgame prolly needs work
Shading shit /values prolly needs work
I worked my ass of trying to fix the head position , still not perfect but i think neck and head work well nuff , please fell free to disagree with me
,the large amount of retrys is why there is a smudge across her face so construction definitely needs to be fine tuned
Is the perspective ok, any other criticisms or reccomendations.
I had to lower the quality somewhat to get it to fit so details might get lost but it seems gud nuff for critiqe purposes

>>6733440
Nigger I've been drawing since 3 months and I'm improving weekly, I just draw everyday even when I'm depressed and unmotivated I force myself to draw at least a little bit. Just stick to it, stick to a learning plan. one week for this one week for that and so on. Most of my stuff is still shit, but not as shit as it was a month ago. Don't compare yourself to others who have "talent" or are better than you, only compare yourself to your past self nigga.

>>6732736
Should someone who is /beg/ get a mentor?

So this is the type of fucking idiot that gets back to back attention and responses while I'm lucky to get one fucking reply whenever I ask for some genuine help. Unbefuckingleivable.

>>6733450
She looks off balance, like she is leaning on that sword but most of her weight looks like it is on her left leg.

>>6733463
Looking at it again I think it is because the sword is way too big so it looks really awkward having her raise her shoulder and right arm in order to lean on the sword. Think sword should be lower and her right leg should be behind the sword not in front.

>>6733463
So a bit of a "floatier and relaxed position leaning more to the sword , legs a bit closer , torso leaned to the right more and the arm resting on it ((also angling to sword to support her weight a bit more)? That right ?
it was originally meant to be just resting the arm but the sword but the head position and the tensness implies otherwise? Did i guess right?

>>6733470
Pic poster here: The sword could use a bit of work , looks like ti might be clipping into the arm a bit
Its a montante/zweingander/twohander. Its supposed to be aboot as long as the user is tall but looking at references again the grip can be made longer proportionally to the blade so it could fit. Also tnx for the advice. When doing construction i will have a clearer plan next time

>>6733083
you are at a level of /beg/ where advice is not really helpful but mileage is
doing any sort of exercise like your
>im going to draw 100 heads idgaf about them looking like shit
is the perfect introduction for a /beg/

you will notice similarities and differences, patterns etc in
faces
their construction
your own approach to drawing
the ebb and flow of the quality of your final pics
that is more valuable than any advice i can think of for you

stick to this exercise you set for yourself, that is the most important part

if i had to come up with something i would tell you to throw in the occasional old man / woman face, a monkey, a greek statue or anything that is outside of the majority of what faces you are going to be practicing. just the sudden shift to a totally different aesthetic of face will boost your perception of anime faces or pretty korean boys that you will be tunnel visioned on

>>6733083
Why bother making a 100 Heads If you don't know how to draw Heads and Faces to begin with?
If you are ready to put the effort then Go back to the fundamentals. Start with Shapes, Loomis is a great place to start. Then learn how to construct a Head, and then you do this type of exercise. Your time will be better spent this way.

>>6733495
>"Why bother making a 100 heads if you don't know how to draw heads and faces to begin with?"
This is peak beg.

>>6733453
Truth
>Thou shall not covet.

>>6733500
What? Why?
You sound like a failure in art just from this response. Be more humble.

Haven't done any drawing yesterday or today but you'know what. I'm not gonna beat myself up over that. I'll just work on it tomorrow and the day after that.
Struggle is necessary to get good but self-hate serves nothing and no one

>>6733083
Lol don’t listen to>>6733495
they don’t know what their talking about, 100 heads works but you can’t turn your brain off, also seeing as you are trying to paint instead of draw I would recommend John singer Sargent to study or a YouTuber adjacent , Ahmed Aldoori or most oil painters are a good place to start

>>6733506
You're asking him why even bother drawing something if you don't already know how to draw it. If you can't figure out why you're retarded from that then gl.

>>6733492
thanks, i’ve now thrown in an old person and a few middle aged white men to my pureref file so that should add a bit of variety

i had already tried to add some good looking white people for a bit of variety but i think this will make a bigger difference

>>6733495
my guy i literally drew that head using the loomis method

>>6733511
>>6733513

This guys don't know how to make shit.
The problem with making this type of exercise is that you don't even know how to think yet, and i know this because your mistakes tells me you don't know to read faces, and shapes etc. Why? Because you didn't study before hand. The hole point of this type of exercise is that you will learn to use and understand shapes to create different forms. At your point I know you don't even know how to draw a shape good enough. Learn how to make a good circle before anything else. Your confidence will arise from that. And as you study shape and form, and not just try to replicate heads without even understanding their form and anatomy first is useless. It's a waste of your precious time. Don't listen to loosers, Listen to the masters.

Study Loomis .

>>6733533
pyw.

>>6733521
No he didn't. You guys think that If you make a Cross in a Basic shape your using the Loomis method. No your not, read his books Again, and this time use your brain while doing It.

>>6732853
slice your wrist realismfag

>>6733540
>read
retarded advice

>>6733533
Pyw master.

>>6733547

>>6733542
I'm not a master. I said he should go to the master, like Loomis.

Made in paint this sketch week, with a mouse because i don't like using a tablet.

>>6733535
Same with the other one. A study sketch i've made in Ms Paint with a Logitech mouse. Just using the Loomis method.

>>6733555
>This is the art of someone telling you not to draw but to read instead
Why am I not surprised.

>>6733560
pyw

>>6733562
It's just a sketch

>>6733565
Did you use a mouse to draw this? If not. I'm not interested.

>>6733083
here’s head number 2

it was looking super ugly and i took a break for a few hours to sulk but i got remotivated and tried again and it looks a lot better

i also overlayed to check proportions a few times on this one so that helped

>>6733568
Of course, here is my latest work feedback please sensei?

>>6733576
> Mouse
> Ms Paint
> That (((Shape)))

You're on a good path.

>>6733555
Nta but you belong in this thread

Hello beg. Today i was rather productive. However i am not sure if these are actually creeds. Looks kinda like a tattoos.

>>6733507
amen. now draw
>>6733461
it is very common pattern: autists who maxxed out trolling skills are baiting dozens of (You)s from clueless idiots feeding them the only thing they want: attention
>>6733454
if you can afford and you know they are at least decent then there is no downside
>>6733435
>>6733076
stop feeding trolls
>>6733402
every BEG has exactly two options when coming here: follow the footsteps of people who came before him and trust it will lead into results OR to do whatever the fuck they want. The choice is yours. Btw there are books specialized in cartooning and one look inside them and its exactly the same shit as with more "traditional" books: shapes, accuracy, perspective, feel the form. Check
>Jack Hamm
>Ken Hultgren
>Preston Blair
Good luck
>>6733258
you need to log in + hope that author didnt disabled downloading original in the upload settings (by default it is allowed)
>>6733222
yup, this is modern art (that is insult of highest magnitude towards it if you cannot tell)
>>6733192
whats up with the lawn lmao
>>6733083
the accuracy is complete disaster but i like how you captured the fake korean face full of plastic and makeup. it is like he is a robot, not a human. thumbs up
>>6733051
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW. its not moldy though, mold has this super disgusting powder feeling to it. Yours is more like booger from nose. Thumbs up
>>6733042
you can draw however you want. Only 2 out of 6 beg books ever mentioned size of canvas. If you want to doodle in tiny pad in bed then do just that. But dont come back to beg crying that your spine or carpal tunnel exploded.
>>6733030
>tradchad, PYWs, not flat, nazi
Yes, you have talent
>>6732888
COOM
>>6732873
get vilppu
>>6732774
all books said you need mileage and doing multiple books per skill gives me just that

>>6733581
pyw.

Messed up his foot bad I, not sure how to draw it from that angle

>>6733222
This is cool I feel like you could balance out the color with some warm colors on the bottom left

>>6733495
not to white knight the 100headsanon but - of course he has no fucking idea how to draw heads. and he does not even know how much he does not know. doing that grindy exercise will elevate his understanding of drawing to a point where he will slowly start to ask the right questions
for example instead of "how to draw the nose" he might come back and ask "does it make sense to construct the nose or should i just eyeball it?"
or instead of "why do my faces look bad" he might grow to say "i always ruin my faces by over working the mouth and lips so it looks like a 90 year old granny, how to draw lips in a subtle way"
etc

absolute /beg/s need to build a framework in which to place art concepts. starting out with something like his 100 heads is perfect.

>>6733186
I gave it a try

>>6733083
you will become better than before after drawing 100 heads
use boxes or some kind of sphere construction
If you want draw le animu head this might help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbKTiGSRHig

>>6733584
Lol that lawn has that sweet texture, look at it

>>6733548
Lol what nta but I’m the one who painted the right , why are you posting

>>6733575
keep going 100 heads anon
if you do this exercise, you retroactively win my argument with that other anon
do NOT disappoint me
>>6733590

>>6733595
I'll stop using it when people ask me to post work and I'll start using >>6733576 instead don't worry anon.

>>6733593
ygmi, that's all I have to say.

>>6733596
i will make you proud, anon

i just have to keep the motivation going and i’m good

>>6733600
Motivation comes and goes, keep the routine anon.

>>6733600
assemble your drawings in a 10x10 grid
everytime your motivation dips down, append your recent faces to the grid and look at how much progress you made and how much work you put into becoming better

at some point, you will keep going just to have a giant 100 picture grid that you can post anytime somebody accuses you of being
>ngmi

>>6733590
>>6733575
>>6733600

I get what your coming from and your not wrong. But at the same time i think this type of mentality makes you develop drawing vices. He already studied a little of the Loomis Head, but not enough to consider that making anime features is a bad Idea while doing exercises to help you better understand patterns and shapes. If he was doing the exercises with a realistic intention and by that i mean drawing a 3D Form, your opinion would be validaded, but the 100headsanon is not doing that, his pratice is flat, and he's not trying to make It into 3D form.
That alone already tells me that he shouldn't be doing this type of exercise yet. The Box exercise could be waaay more valuable to him than this.
Time is a resources that you should consider while studying at all times.

>>6733083
>>6733575
>>6733600
fuck it im joining g you with 100 torsos

>>6733609
>I get what your coming from and your not wrong.
stopped reading right there
i won the argument
100headsanon has chosen to join me on the dark side
get fucked

Self portrait I'm cringing

>>6733620
>100headsanon has chosen to join me on the dark side

Good Luck never improving and keeping your 2D Flat garbage that will lead you to nowhere.
Lol.

>>6733030
Yes. There are many problems, the eyes mainly since they're the first thing our eyes seek out, but there is a lot of good here. Many people don't push themselves to even this point, keep at it. Maybe keep the sun/ideological stuff in reserve until you're more confident, it comes across a bit like the spastika.

>>6733575
head number 3, it turned out strangely good and i nailed it almost right away, i think i’m inherently better at drawing women but i think drawing men is more fun so i will continue to suffer

>>6733620
good luck on your torso journey anon!

I've got this lady vamp and her lady cat.

His shoe high key fucked but I’m not sure how to draw it from that angle. It looks a bit flat but I can’t tell if color will help or what’s causing that

>>6733083

>>6733585
Im more or less a beg too but I agree with the John singer Sargent guy, drawing and painting are fundamentally different , instead of lines you’re laying down shapes

>>6733638
how much time do you set for yourself for one study? What kind of construction do you use?

>>6733626
you will swallow your words with resentment
100headsanon will stand on your grave
and beside him the spirits of a thousand /beg/s that are
>gmi

>>6733629
Just do everybody a favor and post every 25th head?

100 heads. 100 boobs. 100 torsos. 100 pelvises, 100 pair of legs, 100 pair of arms. 100 pairs of hands, 100 pairs of feets. Only then ONLY then are you allowed to draw a cute anime girl, daily reminder.

>>6733639
Sargent is based. But in both cases you use the shape or line to define the form. Amen.

>>6733584
>all books said you need mileage and doing multiple books per skill gives me just that
Sure, fair, even though that's a ridiculous long-game approach. That's like just dribbling for 2 years of your basketball training.
So are you doing anatomy next or are you still stuck on perspective namek?

>>6733643
i tend to do quick practice sketches like these very frantically and quickly, partially because i am impatient, partially because i believe doing more practice at 80% effort is better than doing few practice sketches at 110% effort

between 10 and 20 minutes
keep in mind, with no hands, feet, face (or even head) i chose a very low effort subject for myself. if i were to do a similar quality full-body sketch i would do two/three 20minute sessions. make that three-five sessions if i am not drawing from reference but from imagination

>>6733673
naisu keep going anon

Something old I'm colouring and going to practice inking.
Lost the OG angle of reference so using a different pic I had on hand.
But as you can see, it's Yikes.
I think I flattered my features to much though.

>>6733621
Handsome bro, mirin.

>>6733584
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW. its not moldy though, mold has this super disgusting powder feeling to it. Yours is more like booger from nose. Thumbs up

oh no no no, you're thinking of "dust molds" or as you've described as the powdery ones. this character is modelled off of the slime mold I am growing, see picrel. widely different from the ones that show up on bread.
and she is mid transformation from being tendrils on the ground to humanoid form, therefore the tendrils shrinking as she pulls herself up
>also picrel I haven't checked on them yet but last I checked there was a dust mold competing for oats, I have purposely favoured the slime mold by feeding only it's territory, unrelated but I wanted to share

I WANT CRIT NOW
WHAT CAN I DO TO IMPROVE?
What can I do that won't be a scam like all the other stuff I tried before?

>>6733575
>>6733638

Shapes and proportions

>>6733621
I made the jaw too big, it portrudes too much. I always have this problem when drawing with loomis I don't know why.

>>6733629
Already better than the crab anon
>>6733555

>>6733701
oh, so it’s you doing the torsos with me! your advice one the last thread sort of inspired me to do this whole 100 heads thing

>>6733647
maybe if i’m feeling nice i’ll post 5 at a time wrapped into one image

putting the stuff on here is good motivation for me to keep going

>>6733700
I’m afraid the only answer is to just keep drawing, do studies and practice from references and keep going at it and don’t stop. Make sure to do plenty of personal art in between to make sure you’re still drawing stuff you enjoy. But just keep drawin, there’s no shortcut or special trick, just persistence.
I recommend breaking down your references into basic shapes, focus on the lines, the flow, etc, because getting better at observation is very important. It’ll be a slow process, but over the years you’ll be able to notice how you’ve improved and start to really love the drawing process.

>>6733715
But what resource? I want to fix pic related
I want the fastest and most intensive material to get me up to date

>>6733631
always like seeing your stuff. what pen do you use?

>>6733700
Just have fun you spaz

>>6733723
YOU FUCKER? HOW? WHAT? FUCK YOU

>>6733701
>>6733673
>>6733638
>>6733629

Looks like shit

>>6733638
>>6733701

>>6733629


>>6733714
im glad to hear that

>>6733647
no

>>6733735
pyw

>>6733738
It's so bad wtf
kek

behold my journey to learn how to draw a fucking tree

>>6733748
>inb4 "you're not done"
I know you fags

>>6733748
very cute anon.
now draw maples, pines and other kinds of trees

>>6733738
May I recommend using the background color to erase/paintover the outside lines to accentuate the figure

>>6733748
I like all of them

>>6733748
Looks like you just found a good photoshop brush

decided to do that 100 cubes thing, don’t really care enough to look at how you’re supposed to do it some in just gonna draw 100 cubes

too obese

>>6733775
SEX SEX SEX SEX SEEEEEX SEEEEEEEEEEEEX PUSSSSY SEEEX SEEEEX

>>6733766
I ended up making my own

>>6733775
too skinny

Does anyone have a video guide for rendering? it doesnt have to be video but i dont see why there would be a book for digital rendering

>>6733784
https://youtu.be/ebghe0Ef8Kc

>>6733784
https://youtu.be/oa8lkr5_nM8

>>6733723
Fucking retard, how did you do this?

>>6732949
Looks like The Spot

>>6733593
Nice nice nice

>>6733789
First I altered the jaw and neck shape, then painted a nose over , the filled in the white of the eyes with a grey , redid the iris and pupil , put some simple shading down on the face , then did the hair rq

>>6733795
So fucking funny.
Enjoyed painting over my shit, fuck you faggot
How long have you been drawing and painting?

>>6733801
Painting maybe a year, drawing around 3

Anyone here do coloring only commissions or do you know of anyone who does?

>>6733812
Pywrel

Question for anyone that's gotten into art professionally:
Did you hit a rut right before everything 'clicked'?
I feel like im in a weird space between /int/ and /pro/ and its fucking maddening.
Ive studied a bit of loomis over the years, other books too, gotten forms down, anatomy, can tell when my stuff looks like shit and how to fix it for the most part. Im working on more advanced perspective, lighting, etc. But even now getting to the point where my portfolio is worthy of any company seems so far off man.
I've literally come back to /ic/ after like a decade because I haven't gotten any quality criticism of my work. Usually its people saying "looks great!" and that doesn't fucking help.
Pic (a commission, not my design) is probably some of my best work lately, not perfect, I can see all the flaws and im working on them, but fuck is the grind getting to me.

>>6733821
what do you mean by "professionally"? literally, getting paid for art - or formally, working as a hired in-house artist?
what genre of art are you aiming for? porn? concept art? character design?
i personally cant make heads or tails out of the pic you posted, and before i step on your toes misjudging your skill, i would want to see a wider slice of your works

>>6733817
What does rel stand for?

>>6733828
nta (not that anon) but i think it stands for "related" like in "pic related" - directing your attention from the text of a post to the picture posted alongside
however i have no fucking clue what
>post your work related
would mean, and the context does not provide many clues either

>>6733821
a real /int/ would draw better feet

>>6733821
Do you have any other pics? I can’t tell what’s going on here. Tbh it does not look close to pro. It also looks like you focused on rendering before perspective or bodies. More figure studies?

>>6733827
My dream is game concept art but that industry is hard to get into so at this point anything that can put food on the table. I do have some commissions coming in but not enough to live off of.
And yeah that's fair the subject was pretty complicated as it is.
pic is more stuff

>>6733833
fair and true, should have stayed here honestly lmao
Its been so long the new captcha thing confused the fuck out of me

>>6733836
I mean yeah i know its not pro at all, im working on getting there, figure studies are a thing im working on as well. I started focusing on structure/anatomy and lost the flow of figure drawing for sure, they can be pretty stiff now.

god who would've thought drawing a circle would be so fucking hard

Been drawing for over 15 years. If your drawing looks like it belongs to a child, give up immediately. Adults who draw like children are mentally stunted and are genetically predisposed to do low tier gruntwork or be part of an untouchable class. No matter how much practice you put in, your drawings will always radiate that pathetic childlike energy. There is a reason why they call Chris Chan the worst artist, and it’s not because of his technical skill but purely because his drawings look like they belong to a child. Child’s scribbles are inherently low quality and garbage on first sight and there is no amount of technicality or effort you can put in your work to change that. You can quit drawing now and save yourself a decade and a half.

>>6733817
Sorry first time posting here so I'm not familiar with the lingo, this is the work in question (apologies for the explicit porn). Also any feedback would be appreciated, I know the shading, anatomy and other shit are fucked up, but there's basically zero lewds of this character so I'm trying to produce some, and coloring would be ideal (nothing fancy just basic stuff).

>>6733821
>>6733837
when it comes to commissions there is
>barely good enough with an interesting personal style to get small commissions
and
>solid art, appealing to the broad customer base
you are right between those two
putting in time, effort, details, rendering should not be mistaken for skill

putting your art into the perspective of getting commissions
>you have no consistency of quality
>you have no consistent style / personal touch
>your faces are merely not-distractingly-bad
>your hands are "acceptable"
>your colors are middle-of-the-road and safe to the point of being bland
>your linework is "acceptable"
>your anatomy is not believably three dimensional

combine that with whatever your prices are and whatever your speed is
chances are the average customer will perceive your art lower than you might guess

i am not trying to tear you down its just that when you break out of /beg/ and into earning money, the standards by which your art is measured are much stricter

improving all of those things i listed is a mountain of work still ahead of you, and you might feel very discouraged by my critique, im sorry for that

at the very least, you are skilled enough to be able to teach yourself further, also you have come thus far without getting filtered

in my opinion, the thing you need the most is to *somehow* reset your brain, your perception of your own art, (safeguard your ego from taking too much of an injury) and look at your own art in comparison to the art of eg your idols. you need to raise your expectations for your art to unlock the next stage of your improvement

>Did you hit a rut right before everything 'clicked'?
yes and no
it never "clicks" fully, rather it is a series of dunning-kruger curves were you improve, stagnate, something "clicks" (partially) and you make a huge leap forward, then you improve more gradually and stagnate again, and so on

>>6733856
looks like it was traced from a 3d model

>>6733856
>Sorry first time posting here
newfags get out REEEEEEEEEE

>Also any feedback would be appreciated
so this picture was drawn by you?

>coloring would be ideal (nothing fancy just basic stuff).
do you want tips on how to color it, or are you looking for an artist who would color it for you?
unless you find a generous anon that would do it for the practice, you might want to consider putting up an offer of how much you would pay for that service. and in that case, the /beg/ thread on ic is not perfect for finding commission artists (though its not a terrible place for that either)

by the way, did you trace the face from a 3d model? actually, is that a hairstyle from koikatsu? lmao

>>6733806
Faggot asshole, why can you do it but i cant?

>>6733857
You didnt discourage me at all, this is literally the feedback i was looking for, thank you so much.
You actually put into words the exact feelings I have about my art if im being honest lmao you hit all the topics on the head as far as what is frustrating me about where im at vs where I want to be. This is literally why I posted and, honestly, im pleasantly surprised i got an answer like this because, like i said, I either get ass pats or no responses at all. I did spend most of my newfag years here so i think my ego has a good filter for criticism.

That said, Ill keep going. I have been improving albeit slower now that I have a office monkey job but I'll try and do the things you suggested.

>>6733721
Thanks mann, micron 005s. It's also why I work so slow

>>6733858
>>6733859
Frankly it would have been easier to trace from a 3D model but I don't think there's even a koikatsu model of her yet.

I think I'm getting the hang of identifying forms somewhat, but I suck at measuring proportions and scale. Do you literally measure it out somehow or just eyeball it? I'd rather not have to bust out a ruler every time. Does it just get better with practice too ?

>>6733950
It becomes second nature, you just eyeball it at a certain point. Also helps to have someone as a second set of eyes, I show to my bf and he'll tell me if something look wonky

HEY!!

>>6733584
thanks bud
i will check vilppu's drawing essentials first

timed

genuine question, how is using a reference photo not just plagiarism if you didnt take it yourself?

>>6733411
Its because begs want do do something. But fail . They make progress , Hit a wall of one kind or another, need to find what that wall is called, how to deconstruct it , dismantle it piece by piece, and immediately hit another wall,
I personally feel frustrated when my skill level block me but i find it enjojable to get closer to dismantling it or smashing through it. Like pain in the gym from lifting, the soreness afterwards and after some work and a lot of time seeing visible progress. Most skills are like that, and while you may reach a level where you are partially satisfied you will still likely have obsticles to overcome,
Now STFU and practice, read the sticky and decide on your next move

>be me
>sketch for -literally- 30 seconds
>its not a perfect drawing immediately
>close drawing app
why the fuck am I like this
how do I deal with this brain rot

>>6733978
let go of the outcome.
its counter intuitive, but it will help you to relax.

>>6733702
Nice shapes!
Try and draw all the fingers and toes it sucks but it'll get easier.
Best to make it a habbit.

>>6733748
That's some good fucking progress right there!
Good job

How do I unfuck my brain so I can spend more than 5 minutes in tje same drawing

Do you really need to autistically learn how to draw cubes and basic shapes before anything else?
Can you really not learn some other less soul crushing way?

>draw on traditional medium
>can feel the form
>can make beautiful strokes
>gesture drawing has good proportions and dont take ages

>draw on digital
>cant feel fuck shit
>every stroke looks like fucking shit
>gesture drawing is awful it doesnt resemble the reference, proportions are all over the place

why
Im drawing on a screen tablet

>>6734112
Remove all things in your life that are more fun than drawing

>>6734120
I dont have much fun with anything since a few years now.

>>6734121
Then also remove all the things that are easier, comfortable, or you're doing out of habit

>>6734114
>Do you really need to autistically learn how to draw cubes and basic shapes before anything else?
Yes.
>Can you really not learn some other less soul crushing way?
No.

>>6734118
have you tried taping paper over it?

>>6734124
COME ON MAN THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME OTHER WAY.
If there isn't then please do share your cube resources. I'll do what i have to do but i'd rather do it some other way.

going to copy the whole morpho book.
took 1hour on this. hopefully get faster at this

>>6734118
Im willing to bet its because of the difference when grabbing the pencil and stylus.

There isnt really anything that can be done, to my knowledge there are no styluses that behave exactly like a pen.
The closest one would be an apple pencil 2 and even that one still feels off (i know from firsthand experience as I literally bought an ipad + the pencil trying to replicate the feeling of traditional with no success)

>>6734174
Okay so this may be a fucking retarded question but when you guys talk about 'copying X book' what do you exactly mean?
Literally copying EVERY single drawing that appears on the book, be it a rough sketch or a finished drawing, or reading whatever the dude is talking about and then making a drawing about it...?

>>6733530
>side profile anime view
>the eye is somehow bigger than the previous rotation

>>6734182
OP here. Yes, I will copy every single thing. The text I keep in mind whilst copying. Currently I'm not trying to apply these principles to life drawing (pictures of actual humans), just getting mileage and practicing construction.

>>6733970
not bad
push your values / light and shadow more - i know its dumb to spend time on shading in a timed exercise but just press a little harder on the shadow hatching, do a second pass on the light/shadow terminator to make it follow the forms a tiny bit more detailed, and go over the therminator (which you are already indicating in an "abstract" way by drawing a line in its place here and there) with a second line to make it stand out more. not only will your quick exercise sketches approach a more sophisticated look, the lighting will be elevated to an integral part of your drawing (as opposed to just being an afterthought or at least looking that way). if your lighting becomes more prominent, that is one more tool to indicate 3d form and one more angle from which your brain is forced to analyze 3d form

>>6733976
i dont know because is personally do not care
perhaps there is also a misunderstanding here, reference does not mean exact copy, when i use references (aside from practice) i use multiple photos (or other artists drawings) for multiple different parts that i want to reference

>>6733702
very nice
you seem to be at a skill level where you should start getting comfortable not getting many (You)s in a beg centered thread lol

>>6734114
>Do you really need to autistically learn how to draw cubes and basic shapes before anything else?
no
you should posses an IQ above 85 and know how to draw cubes and basic shapes without practicing. for extreme perspectives and very precise placement of basic forms in space however dedicated practice is helpful

>Can you really not learn some other less soul crushing way?
of course you can
take figures / animals / sculptures / machinery and deconstruct them into basic shapes instead of grinding shapes themselves
that would even be the preferred way at least in my opinion

Thoughts? also any tips for shading with pencil and paper?

>>6734118
make sure your brush settings and pressure settings and tablet-to-screen aspect ratio are not sabotaging you. other than that, traditional does allow for more control more easily than digital
with experience you should however be able to almost close that gap and be left with only the up-sides of digital

>>6734182
i think it is mentioned in these past threads a lot more than how actually "generally accepted" that practice is. i personally dont see the benefit of copying book illustrations, then again that anon might have a different approach to learning

>>6734188
>push your values / light and shadow more
Thanks but i legit have no time, i'm so slow i even had to pause to finish a few that lacked a limb

>>6734189
1. dont. switch to digital lol
2. push your values, darker darks and brighter brights. consider shading (and smearing with your hand) the whole page, then erasing into it to get highlights.
3. reduce your amount of distinct values. if you try to shade realistically, with too many too similar values (be it light vs shadow or just the local value of the clothing) it all blends into a mess. rather pick eg 4 values that you can use, and use them deliberately. pure white paper, pure black paper soaking full pressure pencil, and two shadings inbetween.
4. unless you want to go for more realism with soft gradients on your shadows, try a more cel-shaded look and draw your shadow shapes with an outline ( / terminator ). it makes the drawing a bit messier and abstract (though in my opinion that looks neat) but it makes ares of shadow easier to see at the very first glance.

>>6734200
thank you sir

>medsmap makes you draw 100 skulls in lesson 6
alright alright I GET IT

>>6734220
just make sure to manage your expectations.
100 skulls will deepen your understanding of the heads structure, its landmarks and proportions - however it will not make your faces any better until you integrate that knowledge by *also* grinding faces after the fact. because short term, it will only make you better at drawing skulls

redpill me on tracing as a learning tool

Damn drawing tanks is hard

>>6733748
It looks good, but you didn't draw it, just painted it. Draw one as your next challenge!

>>6733530
What's that little program

>>6733638
>>6733701
>>6733738

>>6733742
here is your (You) - you've earned it!

>>6734246
>redpill me on tracing as a learning tool
in short - as a beginner you are not competent enough to make tracing work for you without either building a crutch for yourself or (if you theorize how tracing "should be able to" help you gain understanding of some subject) your mind slipping from learning back down into ineffective ...well "tracing" lmao

>>6734249
you are already placing down perspective guide lines and construction, actually use them for the lines of the tank

>>6734256
nta but i believe its called "timer chan"

bad or good? i feel like more hand arm stuff should be visible.

im happy enough with everything but the face, why does it look so fucking bad? please someone help me

>>6734230
can i just draw like 50 instead

>>6733629
here’s #4, i feel like my heads are lacking appeal but i’m a bit more focused on getting thing’s correct, any advice on how to make them more appealing would be appreciated

>>6733742
of course it’s bad, if it wasn’t bad then i wouldn’t need to do this to improve

>>6734257
looking good anon

also once i hit head number 10 i’ll start posting in batches of 10 to spare everyone the pain

>>6734220
why is everyone drawing 100 of something on this thread…?

>>6734259
Yeah it's supposed to be called like that but I didn't find it anywhere lol.

>>6734290
idk but seems one of the few actually good fads to follow, the only way to learn how to draw 'whatever thing' well is nothing but grinding it

>>6733530
>the gesture and turn exercise are so bad
>the actual drawing attempt is super good
folks, this is actual TALENT
>>6733222
based, saved
>>6734263
you lack outline detail to define the forms, like it's just ugly, you used a reference?
>>6733970
cool
>>6733960
alien
>>6733856
cool even though you drew over a 3d model

>>6734268
No.
You will draw 100.
And then you will take a few weeks break drawing something else.
And then you'll draw another 100.
And you will have become a master at drawing skulls.

>>6734290
I can't imagine doing that either.

>>6734263
bad
you seem to lack understanding of anatomy and feel for 3d forms - or your drawing was done and redone so many times that it appears so
however long you spent on that drawing you would be better advised to spend a fraction of that time doing multiple quick sketches
you are barely above symbol drawing
if not as a general routine of practice then merely to check yourself - try adding cross contour lines to the anatomy

>>6734267
looks neat anon
if only there was an easy, repeatable exercise that would kickstart your understanding of heads and faces... but oh well guess you are just doomed =)

>>6734268
i personally would not draw a single skull
whatever understanding of structure and proportions *drawing skulls" provides - you will gain that, and more, and more directly by grinding heads and faces. bonus points if you include a simplified mass for the hair (goes for you too >>6734270 )

>>6734270
my man


>any advice on how to make them more appealing
for the heads themselves, very accurate proportions, a simplified hair mass, and a bit more effort on neck+shoulders (or in your case the collar of the clothing) would make them feel more "whole" - however consider the increased time effort and whether it is worth it for you
as for the faces, well that is what should improve naturally as you progress
this is less "good advice" and more of a hack and neat by-product of construction: if you are erasing your construction lines, instead leave them in (and draw them light enough as to not be distracting). if what we see is the entirety of construction you are doing, then start consciously doing more construction. just one horizontal line for the eyes, nose and mouth will improve your proportions alot
pic related

>also once i hit head number 10 i’ll start posting in batches of 10 to spare everyone the pain
not me, posting progress is inspiring for /gmi/s and devastating for /ngmi/s kek

>>6734293
nvm found it, had to use yandex google is fucked

>>6734296
>the only way to learn how to draw 'whatever thing' well is nothing but grinding it
careful
only "grind" until you build enough understanding of the subject and art as a whole to facilitate conscious, focused, deliberate, practice

>>6734293
my search (yandex) showed me a promising first result on github, have you tried that one?
github (dot commercial) (slash) professorsugoi (slash) Timer-chan

>>6734297
>>6734301
no ref used. are guys saying if i just draw the arms and legs as cylinders, it would be better... just cause?

>>6734308
no, the forms of the body are way more complex than you drew them, you need to look a reference and see for yourself how much you missed

HOW TO DRAW VELVET CROWE??? (No relations to Russell Crowe; the pope’s exorcist)

>>6734315
oh okay so is it worth finishing? as in what i have is going fine so far, or is it just fucking shit?

>>6734174
get a lean to it but i'll live. will try to be more conscious of verticals next time :)

>>6734320
thats incredibly good anon how long have you been drawing?
how did you start?
I want to follow your steps

I find myself almost completely unable to "draw what I want for fun" because I have no idea how to draw what I want without resorting to symbol drawing and shitty flat shapes yet. I have a feeling I'm ngmi like this, grinding fundies gets repetitive and I can't seem to get over the fear of "drawing wrong" whenever I try something outside of fundies. Any tips on building a less result-focus mindset and treating drawing as a continuous process where I have to produce shitty drawings anyway to maybe someday produce something that is slightly less shitty?

drop an MS Paint sketch using your mouse NOW

>>6734270
here’s 5 and 6, 5 turned out pretty cute and six turned out super ugly, it’s hard to draw the eye bending around like that

>>6734301
took a little bit of your advice on 6 since i had alread finished 5, the hair was kind of tough but i think it helped make it look a bit better, i’ll do more construction on the next one

>>6734290
you’ll get mileage eventually, why not speed it up and make it more intentional?

>>6734327
don't flatter me too much. you could say i've been trying to draw now for a year and re-picked it up today :). at the beginning I did a few xerox tier copies from Betty Edward's book. now I feel confident enough that I can "see" my reference. I don't have perfect accuracy but it's good enough. my plan currently is to go through morpho and vilppu and learn construction by copying their work. slowly I'll start incorporating the methods and do life drawing. right now I just need mileage and the dopamine rush of finishing something that looks somewhat decent (master studies/copies)

>>6733862
I practice with purpose

>>6734340
Hey bro stop using a anime style when you study these heads , try to draw exactly what you see, you can stylize when you’re practicing , right now you’re learning

>>6734309
neat

>>6734340
cool you are starting to create cute faces more often it feels like

>>6734318
redraw everything with a reference

>>6734263
read figure drawing: design and invention by Michael Hampton

>>6734347
>you can stylize when you’re practicing , right now you’re learning
i chuckled
to be honest, right now he is struggling with proportions
no matter if they are realistic or stylized
one step at a time

>>6729580
>this is such a weird question to ask. what got you into drawing??? there must have been something, some porn, some painting in a museum, some animated cartoons for children or weebs, something, ANYTHING what made you look at it in AWE and then you were like
>>whoa, i want to draw like that
>use that THAT for easy material resources for master studies. it can even be a movie, a videogame, a book, AI generated slop, porn, anything...
Sorry for the late answer
It took me quite alot of time thinking about it actually, but i think i want to draw becouse it's beautiful, you know? I don't have a favorite artist(s) hence no direction, i just like looking at art that i find appealing.
I'm a pre-beg so i don't need to worry about it yet as i need to learn fundementals before i try to create anything nice-looking, but it'd be nice to find that someone that i could attach to
Sorry about the blogpost, here's a copy of something so i don't just talk my ass off (not exact, fucked up the face especially, i know)

>>6734347
>>6734353
honestly i was planning to just swap the style throughout the challenge to keep things a bit more interesting

>>6734352
not bad but your dunning kruger is showing because you changed the intention of the pose

>>6734332
i don’t think that’s very accurate anon, sorry (jk)

>>6734340
>it’s hard to draw the eye bending around like that
eyes don’t bend, friend :(

>>6732736
lots of stuff is off here but cant specify whats wrong.

Are there any good books on how to render like pic related?

>>6734362
I have a flair for the dramatic

>>6734366
I'm ashamed at how long it took me to get this. Time to go to sleep lol

Good source for books? PDF Drive refuses to work for some reason

>>6734383
based response

What's your process behind a finished painting? Do you do studies and thumbnails first of your subject to find a composition and so on? Or do start directly with a sketch on the canvas/paper/screen and then render it?

>>6734301
>if only there was an easy, repeatable exercise that would kickstart your understanding of heads and faces... but oh well guess you are just doomed =)

i served my time, 257 days straight of lomis, i just cant do anime shit

>>6734267
Because the eye is wonky. Use that trick where you cover up one eye with your thumb, let your mental image of the pic adjust, then removr your thumb and see how the eye "jumps"

>>6734413
that is strange
i would guess that after 250 faces you would have grasped a good chunk of face knowledge
however, some of the faces in your screenshot look very poor (sorry)
were all of those done from reference?
have you developed some personal style of construction / measurement short cuts / favorite landmarks / etc to facilitate inventing faces from imagination?

while some of those (albeit difficult to judge because small) faces look awesome, some of them look very amateurish

if they all were shit this would be less confusing lol

is there some fundamental difference in how you approach some face drawings opposed to some others?
ref vs from iamgination
painting vs drawing
eyeballing it vs careful construction

there has to be a way to transport the skill you build in the past into that work in progress picture of yours

>>6734426
because i think theres a difference between having knowledge of the face forms, which i learnt through loomis and asero etc and then making a pleasing image

the reason why 240 on are a lot better is because i did them later, also when a head is small on an image i just cant fucking do it i dunno who, when its the main focus of an image its fine i dunno

>>6734437
i did clean up the hands and her tits though so thats something

>>6732736
Might be useful forr other anons that want to keep track of their drawing time or just reduce 4chan addiction.

found this open source program called ActivityWatch, it basically tracks all your computer usage and organizes it in data to see how much of a drug addict you are, from whole programs to individual tabs in chrome, you can just leave them open but it only accounts the active time on them so it's great, you can track CSP as well. I have it open now but not drawing it so it doesn't count that time. You can set up categories and stuff

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>>6734438
okay we can work with that
whatever structure and proportions you learned allowed you to understand and analyse faces, to move towards more appealing and stylised faces you should try and learn a different structure of the face.

im not saying you should copy doxy, or work through his tutorials, those are just the closest thing i could find quickly that shows what i mean

those tutorials are on various, different subjects, but they all show how for example doxy simplifies the 3d form of heads

whatever you learned through asaro and loomis, now learn with some simplified, rounder, stylised, appealing way of drawing the head and placing the facial features

>>6734400
https://www.annas-archive.org/

>>6734320
yoshinari crab to end the day

Can someone please explain to a retard wtf this guy is doing for his head construction? I've only ever seen loomis heads for anime style art but would it be better to draw all these little lines and shit? Here's the link to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2r9u5l0Y6k&t=348s

Going out on a walk with my dog. I plan on drawing for a few hours after i return. Please hold me accountable.

>>6734470
They’re just planes of the face / guidelines. You can use whatever lines you want when you get better, since you don’t understand them and call them random you should not use them

>>6734470
anon please do yourself a favor and take an amount of salt with all advice from youtube "artists" proportional to their click-baity thumbnails, their upload rate, the amount of "story time" rambling videos they publish, their sponsorships etc
youtube "artists" are youtubers, not artists
putting that aside
blindly following somebody elses construction method is bad. you should recognize that they are trying to solve, in their own personal way, the same problem you are trying to solve: simplifying (for example) the head and face in a way that yields appealing and repeatable results
otherwise you are at risk of just leveling up your symbol drawing to "symbol drawing with extra steps"

note that what he presents in the video is a summary of what he learned. if you want to achieve what he achieved, you need to copy the PATH HE TOOK TO GET THERE - not the summary of the goal he reached. even though he is presenting it as education.

he shows a couple of glimpes at what exercises he did, mimick those if you dont know where to start

i dont have the patience to sit through his video so i dont know what the core of his construction method is
it looks like every other basic box-y subdivision of the head.

construction serves to help you draw better. any line or measurement that helps you, you should use. the unhelpful rest you should ignore. your goal is to create a nice drawing, not a nice construction that is supposed to look impressive in your sketchbook (or on a thumbnail)

>>6734459
ok thank you anon

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>>6734488
Thanks guys, that actually helped a lot.

new thread

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>>6734175
Apple Pencils can activate the cursor without even touching the screen, just holding it very close. That's never going to really feel like trad.
You fell for the Apple marketing anon..

>>6733724
Secret