/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

First?

>>6721690
2 min figures

Is it counter intuitive staying in this kind of group? We're just a bunch of begs asking eachother how to improve after all.

>>6721690
steve is king

>>6721740
No it's not. The web is full of "advice". Totally saturated with tutorials, art channels, art websites and art influencers. But the number one element needed and most powerful too, it is always motivation. To grab a pencil and just draw you don't need a fucking degree, you need motivation. Posting here to get feedback from a group of people at your same level can help you to keep yourself accountable. Just Keep drawing no matter what. It is hard to draw in a vacuum with no fun and no feedback of any kind. Even crap shitposting trolling feedback can help to kick your ass and force you to draw more.

>>6721690
Picked up acrylics today. Tried painting a dratini, but it turned out kinda flat.
Acrylic painting dried so fast, so I panicked a bit and didn't add shadow areas due to that
Any acrylic chads ITT that can give me some pointers?

Tweaked my contest submission a bit. 4 days have passed and I'm still the only competitor, haha. What if I win

>>6721725
I really love your style and have more good things to say than bad, but if I were to give some criticisms, I feel like the right eye (from my pov) is looking towards me while the left eye is looking towards the left of the image.
Also, I can't put my finger on it, but there's something about the leg with the strap on it that doesn't seem right to me. I think maybe there's just a slight over-emphasis on the inner thigh area above the strap.
Really love what you've got going here.

>>6721775
>vk.com

of course it's a russki posting the degenerate stuff

>>6721721
really good for 2 minutes man, who did you learn from hampton?

I think I have developed a fear of drawing because it will be shit. It's over. How can I overcome this fear and accept failure thousands of times until I become good? I have perfectionist tendencies

>>6721721
some longer ones, 5-7 mins each

>>6721789
Thanks.
>hampton
Yeah, went through his CGMA course and his youtube videos. As well as Proko and LoveLifeDrawing.

getting ready to open commissions and see if i can make enough money for gym, I've been trying to make my own brushes and learn to use screentones in Photoshop but for now everything is janky af, does anyone know of any manga artist other than Asano that use PS

should i git gud at gesture before moving onto figure drawing or should i learn figure drawing to improve my gestures?

>>6721804
also process gif, I forgot to noise the screentones a bit to not make the dithering rape my ass

>>6721806
gesture than figure drawing, but you can do both if you wanted to. A lot of timed gesture drawing will help with both.

currently working on this. the lefts position is still a little off so i should probably redraw it

>>6721690

current WIP. left legs positioning is still off i think

I literally have no Idea what to do now all I can do is this what are you supposed to do after you did the initial concept sketch?

>>6721792
accept the cringe in your heart, like, unironically learn to love it, and yourself

>>6721839
lower the opacity and do another one on top that’s more accurate

how much longer until vilppu outs a new course or book?
nigga still has a decade of live left

>>6721853
not gonna lie i get kinda on edge watching his courses or videos because i’m worried he’s gonna croak at any minute

>>6721856
same tho, bro is ancient, makes me kinda nervous for him

hopefully he holds out a bit longer, it will be a sad day for /ic/ when he kicks the bucket

>>6721690

>>6721861
Incredible! What are you studying? Vilppu or Hogarth?

>>6721868
Steve Huston

>>6721725
I like this especially face. I feel like the breast area is reading kind of flat, looks more like semi circles drawn on rather than a 3d shape. Shading rather than hard lines might help

>>6717920
I did a practice drawing to test a few principles i've been observing, one was to use line-weight to signal depth between two overlapping objects (which you can't really see because I ended up covering it all with the pure black shirt lol), the other was to focus a lot of detail in a single place which I tried on the hair, I wanted to do some kind of a print on the shirt but i've arleady spent too much time on this garbage
Ignore the stiff pose it's some shit I drew on the spot
/blog

>>6721831
I like how his head is "tucked in"

>>6721839
>>6721852
It..it's over.

>>6721766
watercolor feels easier to use than acrylics
but its probably because im more used to it

>>6721856
>>6721857
> b-breaking news: /ic/'s having consideration for other beings
Perfect eulogy.

>>6721766
>>6721902
>Any acrylic chads ITT that can give me some pointers?
Don't use acrylic until you know how to mix colors in your sleep. Then, only then (important), study the tricks pro use to keep their paint a fresh longer. Or (better) switch to oil.

>>6721940
But how will I know how to mix colors if I dont use the medium?

>>6721954
Color is, for the most part independent of the medium. There are some peculiarities when you deal with transparent vs. opaque mediums, but if you've studied well, it'll be effortless to understand how to compose with that.

Pick any book on color theory and study it well.

Haven't drawn in a year. How'd I do?
>>6721907
I like this.

>>6721970
i fear whatever the fuck is going on with his right arm muscles

>>6721971
It is a torn bicep. It happens. Not an uncommon injury at all. And, yes, it is one to be feared.
https://youtu.be/pZgxkE-2QAw

At least I drew today. Too lazy to draw the hands and feet obviously, abd ti fux the weird arms (which means I can't draw them and need to learn it) I wanted to give her clothing for the upper body but too lazy, again.

Gettin back into art

Anyone know some good coloring guides/books on digital drawing/painting? Preferably for procreate but anything will do.

>>6721986
I'm not clicking on that nigga

First drawing I've done in about 6 months after I found another artistic pursuit that I was better at. (This image was actually related to that but it's not important)

I had almost forget just how much lighting and shading changes an image vs just the base-colors.

Thoughts?

>>6722157
>>6721997
>>6721575
>>6720973
I wonder if rendering these types of pieces will make you worse or better anons.

>>6722157
Jeez glad I posted it here first, how the fuck did I manage to miss that hand?

>>6722170
Lines have aliasing. Legs look a bit off to me, I guess? Hair is nice. Colors are good.

>>6722184
I mean my catgirl took me literally 5 minutes with the paintbucket tool and shading tool from csp, but you're right

>>6722201
Is the aliasing something I can fix in post, or is it something I have to look out for in the future?

>>6721690

>>6721690
Hello, my name is anon and I cannot draw ellipses!!!!!!!!!!

>>6722188
Maybe I'm retarded but isn't the thumb supposed to go under the shaft?

>>6722278
no one can, just use a tool

>>6722170
the pose is very stiff and the figure itself looks flat.

>>6721997
anon... the thumb is on the wrong side...

>>6722350
Fugg :D

How the fuck do you draw foliage? There's just so much detail to draw it's tiring

I drew this bug by copying and observing, not by tracing
my dream is to make goofy animations and doodles, but i wanna draw from real life first

>>6722518
here is original pic
this was kinda difficult without tracing, which i usually do
after doing some more animals i will move on to tracing then copying human photos for a bit
then i will start making quirky doodles

>>6722341
Depends on how you hold it, but I used my own hand and a hammer as a reference and that grip it definetely possible and what I naturally gravitated towards.

>>6721831
thick. solid. tight. the forms on the upper half of the body are extremely satisfying, keep playing in to that strength you have. legs do look a little strange, maybe it's the size.

How do you go about hair exactly? How you attach it to the head, layer it and draw it's form is very confusing to me.

>>6722551
Nevermind I'm retarded

>>6722350
why are hands so hard, but more importantly, how could I be so retarded and even put the thumb on the wrong side?

how do i make my lines look like the one on the left side? how do i learn to do that? i cant make these lines with one stroke only, i dont get it, any tips?

>>6722806
First you need to take estrogen, then you need to buy trans colored socks, post a picture of your shaven legs with the socks, and then, maybe then I'll tell you.

>>6722806
R u a girl

>>6722847
... debatable

>>6722847
>>6722836
That's a real girl who probably loves sashley and Kittydog and other animation memers
In animation meme community, most girls are real women and most "guys" are actually pooners aka FTM trannies

Motivate me to actually start drawing tomorrow. I meant to do it today, and yesterday, and the day before yesterday. Rn its too late. 12AM.
I want to finally get in on it

>>6722858
>That's a real girl who probably
cool nice thanks, anyway can you answer my question

>>6722847
if by "girl" you mean guy in real life then yeah he's probably "girl"

why wont you help me

Ohhhhh

Are H pencils easier to erase than B pencils?

>>6722858
Just looked these up, my god who watches this trash? Females really live in another world

>>6722898
miserably failing at an egirl style

>>6722909
have any tips?

>>6722914
yeah just kys

Any good (free) courses/tutorials on spriting? Or should I just google/youtube it?

how do I draw someone specific's face in a simplified of stylized way? not a "betty edwards" 1:1 not stylized way

say I want to draw johnny depp or bob odenkirk in comic book or manga stylization, what is key here?

I tried to draw a friend of mine earlier, the drawing is fine, I believe proportions, nose and mouth are good, eyes are a bit uncanny tho, but it doesn't look like her at all...

>>6722965
landing the proportions right first of all
focus on the eyes, nose and mouth. likeness comes from that and third place their haircut
add main wrinkles, freckles, etc.
that's it

>>6722901
yes and no, they mark the paper more
>>6722967
yeah I believe my error was in the proportions mostly, and shape of the eyelids (very hard to do)

>>6722898
>>6722914
I like it you have potentional, maybe learn some anatomy because some of the proportions are a bit fucked

Thoughts? >>6721998

>>6721831
The over grip on both the hands feels kinda odd to me, and the design on the hands are a little ambiguous. Looks awesome tho.

>>6721907
Ooof I love the one on the right.

>>6722278
Very nice, the fingers look so good on your other post too. Good line quality

Thoughts on this design?

>>6723036
Everytime you post an OC, it's always without fail a glistening brimmy. Nice job.

Asking for advice for a friend of mine concerning drawing backgrounds in oekaki. From what I gather, he can draw backgrounds on pencil and paper just fine. The moment he digitalizes them he has issues converting said backgrounds to oekaki.
I was hoping some of the more experienced folk here might have some advice concerning this "conversion". Also the pic isn't his.

I've been trying to draw basic forms like cubes, cylinders, and so on for a few weeks now, but I feel like it's been useless - maybe not useless, but it all feels disconnected to me and I can't apply it to anything.

I will try moving to observation.

>>6723036
N

I added her owner (me)

>>6722806
It's dexterity, also I don't really get your question. Do you mean the thickness or the continuity of the line? The latter is just dexterity, try drawing with your whole forearm and be confident with your lines

Is is possible to become a LOW int in 150 days?

Or should I just kill myself already

It's been 4 months and I still can't do original work, only shit copies

Please just tell me, I already have the gun.

>>6723150
>4 months
holy shit you fucking immediate gratification zoomers make me fucking sick

>>6723154
I've seen dudes improving at half that time

I know I'm retarded but if I can't do it then I might as well be dead

>>6723156
stop obsessing over talent, no one cares about your whining. JD

Currently studying Vlippu, can someone please explain to me why the ribs make this bump at a certain angle?
Been trying to study the torso for the past week now

>>6723150

It takes time and the amount of time it takes varies from person to person, like any skill.

So stop trying to fucking speedrun it and calm down you melodramatic bitch.

>>6723164
The world sucks
I don't want to be one of those people that draw for 10 years and are still begs

It's been 4 months already what if I am one of them?

I don't want to live another 10 years!

This is so stupid I draw 10 hours everyday and I'm beaten but a dweeb that got lucky to have the right genes!?!?

>>6723150
Do it like I do, first construct the pose with simple volumes you want. Then draw the head witht he loomis method.

Now add the features and hairstyle from a reference and do this in your perspective with trial and error and looking at other hairstyles.

Also stop chicken scratching, try drawing long continuous lines with your whole arm.

>>6723161
that bump is the rib cage and below that bump is the last two ribs aka the floating ribs that aren't attached to the thoracic cage but the vertebrae in the spine

>>6723176
Construction. yes
Do you see the construction thread on the board? I made that
I need to find the right construction method but there so many

Could you please tell me which one do you use?

Loomis, boxes, rinotune, hide, vilppu

Anything helps

>>6723156
who is that? How did he learn= Looks like drawabox at first, what is that construction method, loomis?

>>6723182
I do it like Hide-Chan, but the problem with construction, and why there are so many is because every human is different, and different things work for different humans. I would advise you to just use the one that seems the most natural to you

https://youtu.be/ZHJWjclAVnI

>>6723184
That's what I'm saying!!

They're from a discord server I used to go
When I asked them they would only reply with just draw or not reply at all
So I assume they have their secrets

I tried using them as an example of being able to improve fast but because of that I made posting this image a bannable offense

I couldn't stand being there
Apparently I was too much of a doomer
I'm realistic

>>6723191
desu it's probably fake.

>>6723189
You know what?
That makes sense
And maybe that's why I can't seem to find the "right" answer

I'll just... fucking try them all

If I use 7 days out of my 151 dedicated just to studying construction, I can use the rest for master copies and fixing my work, since I'll finally be able to do work of my own

Thank you!

>>6723191

>So I assume they have their secrets

The secret is they were lying idiot

>>6723197
But I HAVE seem people get to at least low intermediate in 1 year

So it should be possible, right?

I just need to find the right way

I spent hundreds of hours analyzing frame by frame livestreams trying to replicate what they do but it didn't work

I just need to find the secret sauce

I can put it the work, I draw 10+ hours everyday and I CAN do more if I sleep less

>>6723181
Thank you so much anon! That bump really bothered me, also if you're still here, are these curves between the rib cage and the pelvis just fat with no bones?

No progress thread is up right now, so... rate?
Also thoughts on the 2023 design?

>>6723195
Also these construction methods are meant for begs to learn how to build the body and learn the proportions. Once you did that a few hundred times you will develop your own simplified form of construction.

https://youtu.be/_ptKL4c-0Vs?t=389

As you can see in the video, hide doesn't use this extremely blocky method for his more detailed drawing because he developed a memory of how the body looks from every possible angle and perspective.

>>6723150
you will spend a decade before you know what you are doing

>>6723204
Oh! that makes a lot more sense
I figured he was just lying to make a quick buck

Maybe that's why all speed paints have weird as hell construction that barely makes sense

i feel like the thing that has been holding me back was not settling down on a ''style'' to focus on, so i am gonna to choose one artist, or a group of artists with similar styles, and try to get to their level for the reminder of the year, I cant keep jumping from y2k moe anime to 50s american illustrations.

>>6723005
Thank you I think I needa learn more figure drawin but I will def go to anatomy again after

>>6723223
Umm his missing his peepee..

Hello beg. Finally a new information from the book. Though it isnt really usable in drawing. Also i have been trying to hit the twitter rate cap, scrolled like crazy and nothing. Feels beg

>>6723121
>>6722734
you need keys to drawing. badly.
>>6723068
grinding forms on its own is kinda waste of time. even the most autistic course on the internet (draw a box) says you need to do actual drawing pieces 50% of the study time
>>6723051
i have no idea what are you asking and looking at the lack of (You)s i am not alone. Try to rewrite the question so it is in english and dont use japanese words
>>6723036
i kneel
>>6722956
the term you are looking for is probably called pixel art
>>6722901
the grand idea behind H pencils is that their thin lines are practically invisible so you dont need to erase them.
>>6722898
that is promising, keep drawing
>>6722806
stabilizer, draw in very high resolution and then downscale before exporting
>>6722662
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/148
>>6722428
in digital you can cheat easily using advanced brushes. or you can read the KtD chapter about textures, check the link above
>>6722188
that weird rendering gives it unique soul vibes
>>6722170
i like it, the best are the frills. the anime face shape is really really weird
>>6721998
is his spine visible? or what did you mean by that straight vertical line connecting his ass and upper back?
>>6721970
all gains... lost :-)
>>6721907
cute lolies
>>6721766
i am not tradfag but like: cannot you simply reactivate the colors with whatever they are solvable in?
>>6721725
very cute thot. but whats up with the stumpy legs?
>>6723201
>anon needed 5 years to lose ability to feel the form
I am sorry but i dont see progress... at all

>>6723243
>>anon needed 5 years to lose ability to feel the form
Yes, yes, the fact I ditched shading along the way will haunt my progress until I picked it up again, I know. Thanks for the reminder, I was honestly needing that shake.

>>6723243
>you need keys to drawing

why what exactly will that book teach me that youtube videos don't

how do the color and composition look on this piece? feels like I could do a little more with the background but I'm not sure what

>>6723269
whoops. forgot to resize. anyways, here's a variant with text that I'm not too keen on.

Thoughts?

>>6723282
benis :DD

wStill have a really really hard time making proper lines, so I kept some short strokes as I'm more used to them and the focus of today was to get some observation training going.

>>6723243
>grinding forms on its own is kinda waste of time. even the most autistic course on the internet (draw a box) says you need to do actual drawing pieces 50% of the study time

Yea, I can see that, and I can see it being useful from when I'm drawing from memory or just making up something and having the forms as references.
I just feel that right now I have to learn a lot of things first before those become something I can make use of.

>>6723200
no its abdominal muscle with fat on top. depending on your subject is how you draw it. but the space between the end of the ribs and the top of the hip bone is pretty small

>>6723296
other image

>>6723243
Yeah I mean that’s the crease of his spine lol. Does it read awkwardly or something idk

>>6723150
The speed at which you improve doesn't matter, like any skill, some will improve quicker than others. You're not marking yourself by their progress, you're trying to get better than you were yesterday. It's not going to be easy, but you'll get a little better every day. But you have to do it every day.

>>6723156
>>6723174
>>6723191
>>6723199
I should've read your whole reply chain before replying, but anyways.
One, the same person did not draw all of those. The linework is completely different, the shapes and way they approached certain things are so different in each one that it makes me think they either stole it, or if they actually did draw it, were tracing/copying someone else's work. October to November is an especially obvious case of that. Furthermore, you are not rendering dresses and doing clothes study that well in September then completely forgetting it for hastily drawn clothes that don't quite match perspective in October.

Second, it doesn't matter if you've been drawing 10 hours a day, because you still aren't analyzing the lines and the shapes involved. In your picture >>6723150 I'm assuming your work is the right one? You lack confidence in your linework and instead of making long, bold strokes, you're doing a lot of short rough strokes to scratch out the shape of your drawing. The number one reason left looks better is because of how clean their lineart is, but you didn't even attempt to copy that, just the rough figure of the sketch. Find art you want to draw like, and examine it. Try to copy it side by side, slowly, figure out how that artist will go about each general line, shape, or shade they're drawing, and understand their thought process behind it. Then, close the book you're copying from, and try to draw it again from memory.

Tried my best to make the pose dynamic lol

>>6723282
kino

just finished this, any crits?

First attempt drawing a car, any book or resource to learn more about it?

>>6723027
>Thoughts? >>6721998

I think it looks like a study pretty well done (not that knowledgeable at painting though). If I were to criticise, the lower left part of the back seems a bit off. Other than that maybe a bit more detail on the edges or the hands and feet would make it more interesting to look at.

>want to do an art study
>play around in krita brushes instead
to be honest i just installed krita and wanted to see how it works
it will be useful if i need to draw trippy bacgkrounds i guess

>>6723378
Thank you

>>6723445
Not bad. Worst part about it are the values that makes the picture look pretty flat.

need to learn how to hair

>>6721690
> pic
> american shitschool only operating with stains, looks like a proko shit
please, anon

>>6723468
how to draw + how to render books, good enough

>>6723543
yeah, values are my biggest problem i cannot understand how they work

>>6723546
peak dunning kruger
you won't even achieve 10% of houston's skills during your lifetime, kiddo

>>6723554
i wont, i would never get my hands in american shitschool, russian school is best, cope and seethe

still grindan portraits

>>6723645
You made the lips way too big in my opinion

My OC, Vesper

>>6723686
her chest is looking towards the viewer but her shoulders are pointing to the left. If you're still working on it, you could probably easily fix it with a ~15 minute redraw. What's that black thing on her jacket supposed to be?

>>6723680
the entire angle of the face and even the body is off.

Wet warm holes..never get's dry..Vaporeon

>>6723243
your figures look like shit stop learning perspective which is literally the easiest part about art especially digitally where you get perspective tools you fucking autist

>>6723727
If it’s so easy why does half the board still draw single characters on a solid color bg?

>>6723732
because nobody good at art would ever allow their work to be traced to 4chan
that anon is entirely right, you need to work on anatomy, faces, and figures before you start warping them with whatever the fuck you're doing

>>6723749
>because nobody good at art would ever allow their work to be traced to 4chan
Dumb excuse and retarded advice. He shouldn't be touching figures/faces as it's clear he's still learning perspective. Finish doing 1 thing (perspective) then move on to 1 thing.

>>6721690

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>>6721690
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>>6723732
because backgrounds are not important at all in learning, what counts is the figure and the figure alone

Crit for my oil painting? I think somethings wrong with the proportions + her jaws a bit fucked

>>6723150
Did you use the spicy keychain as a ref?

>>6721690

>>6723150
judging from the anime trash you're referencing, the answer is gonna be no.

>>6723156
Looks like this guy already understood perspective and had good observational skills. His drawabox clusterfuck 100x better than the usual /beg/ attempt, and he immediately started figure drawing. Guessing he spent june-sept grinding, progress is very believable, probably a woman too. It's just dedication, learn perspective, learn to observe, and then start figure drawing immediately.

>>6723492
Yeah I totally agree, it looks like there’s a different plane in the lower left back. Or something, thank you!

>>6723920
mhh..yeah, I think the head is supposed to be on the neck, but I'm not quite sure.

>>6723920
The “c” around her eyes is a little much, the lower part of it would be that dark.

I also think it would have been cool to keep some of her neck still attached to her head, so it looks like it actually came from the body portion.

I'm going to ascend beyond this thread in July.

>>6724106
cause you'll be dangling from the ceiling?

>>6724111
All options are open for consideration.

I'm not too sure if I'm being autistic or not, but when I'm watching through a course, outside of being told directly by the course leader, should I be drawing down everything they're drawing down line for line or should I just watch them and write stuff down with minor doodles too stay attentive?
I know there's probably a middle ground but when it comes to watching them for the first time, which should I lean into more?

First attempt at drawing some poses from imagination, as you can see I'm still figuring out which way to construct is the best for me

>>6724227
I personally dont draw along wghen watching lectures desu theres so much information they will talk about that I dont want to miss it. Usually I rewatch the same lecture multiple times and redraw important parts and make sure I understand everything

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>>6724282

>>6724247
Ah ok, honestly that sounds like a good plan, just watch for the first time and then on a second or third reward then draw along to help engrave the information.
Thank you for your input.

>>6724290
Yeah ofcourse everyone learns differently. But i think its very important to rewatch multiple times until you understand everything

>>6724287
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>>6724279
>>6724278
>>6724276
Compile them into one image next time.

>>6724276
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>>6724282
>>6724287
based Hogarth chad

>>6724241
I would suggest trying to be a little more loose with it, draw lines looser with more curves and you’ll capture a pose that isn’t so stiff

>>6724328
Good suggestion but how do I loosen up exactly?

>>6724303
yes sir

>>6724304
ye

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>>6724383
what are the red lines?

I'm gonna go full autist this week and spend atleast 12 hours a day drawing I'll post my findings next week see ya nignogs.

>>6724452
the separation between a 2 value system, light and dark

>Fun with a Pencil
Should i really start with this one? Or is there a better book to start with?
Actually, is there a person ITT that learns more from just copying other works that one likes than reading books and practicing those less-fun drawings?
I tried drawabox and Fun with a pencil back in the day but surprisingly didn't have alot of fun with it and dropped drawing. (Pic related was probably the last FWaP drawing i copied)
Trying to get into drawing again after half a year, but I'm just unsure what to start with. From what i've gathered from stickies it should be observation, figure drawing and construction, right? What were the books/videos/resources you started with for these things?
Sorry if i sound like a bitch moaning like that, i just don't want to drop it again

>>6724525
you need discipline to make those copies and turn it into a habit
and the idea of the fun with a pencil is actually to use your creativity

I can't bros I just can't do it. 1 min gesture. I will never make it. Should I do it vilppus way..should I do it hamptons way? I'm so confused and distracted I feel like I'm going insane

>>6724551
Why are you doing gestures exactly?

>>6724554
I'll answer it for you, "I don't know" exactly so how the fuck do you expect to improve from doing it retard.

>>6724554
Because I want to learn how to draw humans, I thought you're supposed to do gesture first?

>>6724551
>>6724567
Gesture is stupid. Focus on proportions, construction, perspective, anatomy, and accuracy. After you get the basics, go back and add gesture, posing, acting, etc.

Use the Loomis book (fdfaiw) as your guide. He doesn't start you off with gesture.

>>6724567
>"I want to learn how to draw humans"
This doesn't answer my question which is why you're not progressing you're just doing something without knowing why you're doing it and expecting results.

>>6724579
Okay ty anon I will.

>>6724588
good! Remember: You can't paint a house till it's built!

>>6724587
In my head these timed gesture drawings will help me get a "visual library" of how the human body looks from different perspectives, how the limbs bend and look.

I just struggle with the right way to do it, for instance do I start with an action line or just draw egg shapes. In the time when I want to figure this out, the time is almost over.

I fucking suck at hands, drawing two characters interact together, and creating dynamic scenes. What do?

hey bros, anyone knows if someone uploaded stuff from reference.pictures?

>>6724597
>In my head these timed gesture drawings will help me get a "visual library" of how the human body looks from different perspectives, how the limbs bend and look.
Okay this is a better thought process, but is this actually happening when you're practicing or not? Teaching yourself something requires a lot of introspection. For some starting with gestures works fine for others they're stuck in permabeg stage forever it's all about your thought process of how and why you're doing something, there is no secret sauce but by just being self aware you're ahead of 90% of the field.

>>6724610
Yeah I just get so stuck up into rules, when the guy on the YouTube video says "1 minute timed gesture" I want to do it the same, maybe I'll just do longer studies as a bag first. I will learn the same things if I just try to copy after reading about construction I think

>>6724579
>>6724595
pyw

>>6724617
It's all about introspection, If you're a beg and it takes you 35min to draw 3 lines and a circle then yes doing timed gestures is gonna be very good practice for you. If you're a beg and you barely know how to draw anything then jumping into timed gestures expecting results isn't gonna be good practice for you.

It really does help a lot when you don't use multiple colors for shading and just force yourself to draw with more solid shapes and only 2 color for shading.

>>6723722
It's not a direct copy, just using a ref to create a character.

>>6724579
It's a bad idea to neglect one important aspect for another/others. This will just lead to stiff/lifeless drawings. Better to just work on it in conjunction with the others. Drawing the human figure is rarely going to be only in generic starfish pose.

Hello beg, today its WIP because there is no way i will finish it tonight without insanity. Simple perspective trick: scale the people so their heads are in same height. This ensures perfect proportions no matter how far or close you put them.

>>6724601
keep doing studies of things you suck at. supplement it with courses or books about the subjects
>>6724551
all i can tell you is to pick your art god and follow his course / book to the bitter end. Villpu is considered one of the best art teachers of this generation. Hampton also has a lot of fans. Whatever you pick, do not switch the courses in the middle. It just creates confusion and anxiety when you see contradicting information. Simply trust in the process and do whatever they want you to do. The only book i did (which was heavy on gestures: natural way to draw) said gestures are understood not via thinking, but doing. You are supposed to do hundreds, thousands of them before you will "unlock the inner art eye". Also a lot of people will outright tell you they are meme and you can do without them.

There is also possibility you are beg beg and simply picked too advanced shit for you (these art gods are for advanced begs or ints). I cannot really tell if you leveled up observation, perspective and feeling the form enough to tackle figure drawing unless you PYW. Good luck!
>>6724525
depends on what you want to draw or what you find fun. There are books about how to draw lolis, cars, figures, landscapes, buildings... from your pic i can guess you are good enough to tackle any book or subject
>>6724461
dont burn out anon
>>6724227
when i am doing book i copy everything in it. if i was video course type of guy i would copy everything in the stream as well. after all you can pause it, draw and then resume anytime
>>6723920
you didnt use reference for that face, did you?
>>6723727
i will agree my figures and faces are lmao, but i am not done yet with perspective!
>>6723559
which book or course is this from? its great!

>>6724440

my tablet pen is just lost for good i'll have to buy a replacement :(...
trying to do backgrounds, even if they're simple ones, because i'm sick of drawing single characters in voids.

Animals

>>6724717
poor pichus

Anyone have some nice simple reference pictures for someone trying to learn to render?

is there a place to learn cartoonier/anime style figure drawing or is the real way to learn proper figure/anatomy then learn to simplify it?

>>6724791
i think the latter method is a better approach.

red Pill me on neobeg

some face studies I did today

>>6724537
So basically i should just try harder this time?
>and the idea of the fun with a pencil is actually to use your creativity
Was it? I thought he wanted me to copy him. I don't see creativity in that
>>6724693
General character drawing would be the priority, the background itself would be a second priority

30.
It's too late.
30.
It's the song of hate.

>>6724942
Umm well actually van Gogh didn't start until he was 27 so you can still make it

>>6724945
30.
It's 3 years past 27.
30.
It's time to stop posting cope.
30.
It's time to give up and rope.

>>6724791
that's the "real way".
But let's face it, if you're not having fun, fuck it and do it the opposite way. Don't burn yourself out on boxes.

Hi, very sorry, I'm new here.

And very sorry for the awkward opening, but kinda just want raw thoughts on this character of mine.

She's called Kat the Copycat Bandit.

>>6723150
I haven't been able to graduade from permabeg in over 15 years, so...

>>6723150
I haven't been able to graduate from permabeg in over 15 years, so...

>>6724949
Van Gogh became an hero at 37. So just don't kill yourself and you'll far surpass him. EZPZ

How do I master construction? Of all the approaches to drawing, this one is the one that made the most sense to me and the only one that doesn't require any amount of drawing skill to begin.

>>6724970
Best way to study construction is to do figure drawing and master copies. Alternate between both. Get Bridgman's anatomy books and Morpho's anatomy books, and spend an hour copying from them. Then spend the 2nd hour drawing from photos of nude models. If you go back and forth between them, you can start to learn to apply simple constructions to what you see in life, and ultimately, from imagination.

That said, you'll never master construction, you'll just keep climbing this infinite staircase for the rest of your life. Pic related is a demonstration I did for you, with a couple of figures from imagination on the side

Second attempt

just a wip, done for the night. i'm having a lot of fun with oil brushes in PS. they're a little hectic sometimes but i like the result a lot

Another page of Morpho.

>>6721690
>got demoralized
>havent drawn in 2 weeks
Its over for me

>>6725035
Keep drawing! don't let down your future art gf.

>>6725010
Based I'm going through Morpho aswell but the boney landmarks one.

i dont draw atm but doing vector stuff of my waifu makes me want to make some OC on paper, scan it to my PC, and make vectors out of it. gonna have to wait till i finish my wife though

>>6724383
>yes sir
Thanks man, alot easier to read.
Good stuff.
Some of them seem to have one bone short in certain fingers.
Don't forget the underlying construction.
Getting his stylization is good and nice but you'll want to be able to recreate it yourself afterwards.
>>6724440
>>6724444
>>6724449
Based and redpilled as always.

>>6723223
I'm not someone experienced enough to give you proper advice or criticism, and I think in general you've done a decent job with the body, but those arms are just way too short and both of them look like they're facing backwards and dislocated to me. I think the way you were originally going to sketch it would've looked pretty decent, but I really get thrown off because of the arms.
Smaller criticism but the eyes look a little crosseyed and very "doll-like" to me. It might be worth adding a little reflection of light near the pupil.
Great job with the body itself!

>>6723645

>>6724688
your lineart looks great. I'm not sure if you struggle with drawing black people's hair like I do, but maybe this can help you. It helped me a little bit

Beg here. Any suggestions as to colour? Or do I leave it as is? The shading is a bit fucked-up, so I'd like to mask it kek

>>6725134
You made her look a lot older, nothing wrong with that if that was your intention, if not figure out why it happened.

Wanted to try colored inks so drew this, any critique in the color, inking ir anatomy is appreciated

>>6725197
Pants look a bit flat, you should play with shading more for those. try to blend a bit more on things like the face to not produce such hard transitions. a lot of the places you used solid black in don't seem to fit with the lighting, like the back of the hand and the portion above it. I would've used a darker shade on those portions. Keep at it, because I think you've posted the best work ITT

>too creatively bankrupt to 'just draw'
>too retarded to learn from books
>too zoomer-brained to focus on videos
i cant even proompt ai slop because that requires at least a bit of creativity, it is literally joever

>>6725212
the w/ic/i has a fuckload of reference drawings so you don't need to be creative, that part comes later

>>6725217
yeah and how the fuck am i meant to use that

>>6725193
I was kind of thinking of Ana from Overwatch a little bit but it's my general tendency to put too many lines on pretty girls' faces so I'll watch that in the future; thanks for the feedback

>>6725212
why do you want to learn to draw then? do some other soulless autism hobby like coding idk

>>6725246
coding rapes my mind, no.
And i never said i didnt want to draw, i want to draw shit for my friends, i want to draw my favourite characters, i want to draw coomshit to get ez social media points, i just am getting completely fucking filtered by everything to do with drawing

>>6725211
Thanks dude, using inks is pretty tough to control but ill apply what you recommended, cause yeah the shading is all over the place

also id like any critique if anybody could spare on my linework too

>>6725134
Check your angles and curves.
You're symbol drawing instead of looking how their feature look.
Also
>would

>>6725150
Fuck around and find out.
I'd say go for it, it'll be a learning experience.

>>6725212
I'm in the same boat, and none of that matters, just keep drawing.
It's unrealistic to expect to be "good" after a few days, months, or even years of training when there are artists who draw for 30 years+ but are still not happy with their work and aim to be better.

You may learn from others, but comparing yourself to others is retarded, compare yourself today with yourself from yesterday, and try to always improve even if at a snail's pace.
Instead of complaining about not having skills, work towards developing those skills.

I don't know what your goals are, but I firmly believe mine can be achieved even without any talent or artistic background, you just have to put effort into it, and if you suck at it, put 100x more effort until you don't suck as much, and just keep drawing. Less time complaining and more time training so you have less to complain - and finding new points to complain as you overcome the older ones, that's my approach and what I say to you and mostly - myself - since I see myself in your shoes a lot.

If anyone can guess which actress I drew, I'll go to sleep tonight with a smile on my lips

>>6725269
Uma Thurman?

>>6725212
With " just draw" we mean drawing what you see retard, draw a bush, a tree, a rock, a insect, an animal. Draw cute anime girls. Draw mannequins in different poses and then make them into anime girls. Draw patrick. Draw spongebob. Draw a penis, draw a boob, draw a vagina. Draw your desk. Take a mirror and draw your ugly face. Draw grass. Also stop browsing shorts, literally destroys your brain. I'm 28, thankfully my mind could develop without internet, in a few decades researches will see what terrible effects social media and shit like tiktok will have on our brains. I'm convinced it will cause an alzheimers epidemic on people that are only 50+

>>6725269
no

Should I stick to this? I'm not really sure, but I like that it has a study plan. It's the art school from marc brunet, torrented it obviously.

>>6725269
I wouldn't know I only watch anime my mind is pure and unjewed

>>6725260
>just keep drawing.
keep drawing what, cubes? i could do that for 8 decades until i eventually turn 100 and my bones shatter, look heres one now
>>6725274
>draw this, draw that, draw everything, turn this into something its not
ok. how.

>>6725282
Even if its not perfect, sticking to a regime ive found to be super helpful as it gets you drawing, especially whe it becomes a habit

>>6725290
First learn to draw cubes so you get an understanding of 3d objects..

https://youtu.be/bv3Yvfouf2o?t=64

And try to draw literally anything in your room

>>6725301
Okay well heres something i always see done to others and i always wanted to ask for myself.
What the fuck even is that corrective line? Why that? Why there? What exactly was wrong before? The box i drew and the 'correction' you made are two totally different boxes floating in space, are they not?
and if i really am wrong then
>still cant draw a good cube after 3 years of only doing them because its all i know how
literally joever, im bidone.

>>6725282
where did you grab it from, asking for a friend

>>6725309
rutracker, it has russian dub but you can disable it in vlc player

>>6725308
If your intention was that your cube is slanted down to bottom left then it was a correct cube, but looking at it it seemed to me that you just wanted to draw a "Perfect" cube with parallel lines but you didn't pay attention to it and ended up slanting the bottom lines way too much.

And you didn't draw only cubes for 3 years who the fuck does that? Even if you did, if you never looked up or understand how they work it's no wonder

>>6725310
thanks king

>>6725314
I never attempt the perfect cube because i know it aint gonna happen, just like i never attempt a perfect circle, cant get everything perfectly symmetrical. You think i can do the 6 faces on a cube of equal sizes? Can you? No i was doing a 3 point perspective cube thingy from memory, thats what i always do.
>And you didn't draw only cubes for 3 years who the fuck does that?
Me, i dont draw every day, sometimes i dont draw for weeks. But when I do i open up my program, stare at the canvas for a couple hours, and every time, without fail, i draw a cube just like the one i posted. Because what the fuck else do i do?
>Even if you did, if you never looked up or understand how they work it's no wonder
I did the drawabox thing. The 250 boxes you guys hate? Yeah that guy.

>>6725290
Your cube is wrong, do it again. Look at a real cubic shaped object, anything you have around, and try to see why yours don't work, and if you can't see that, try to replicate the cube you're comparing to. Could be a box or whatever you have available there.

>>6725329
>your cube is wrong
>i wont tell you why, you figure it out instead
what is it with this board man.
Also again
>>still cant draw a good cube after 3 years of only doing them because its all i know how
AAAIIIEEEEEEEEEE

>>6725333
Someone already told you, I'm following the thread. >>6725301
Try again with the advice anon gave you.

>>6725336
He then told me my cube was correct so which is it? You guys are assuming i tried for a perfect cube, its more of a rectangular prism but who says that

>>6725337
Then draw another one and clear up the confusion.

YES its my favorite retard shitting up thread again!! YIPPE!!!

>>6725290
>>6725301
Hard to tell which boxfag is the master troll here

>>6725342
Its gonna be another rectangular prism and you know it
Fine i'll grab a minecraft block

>>6725346
>>6725345
>they still think im a troll

>>6725256
And so I did. Ended up looking like a tarot card from Wish kek

>>6725328
>sometimes i dont draw for weeks. But when I do i open up my program, stare at the canvas for a couple hours, and every time, without fail, i draw a cube just like the one i posted. Because what the fuck else do i do?
I spat on my monitor because of you

>>6725353
cheers mate, now help me out will ya

>>6725328
Why did you start darwing if you just end up drawing cubes? What made you even get into this hobby? Just draw man I don't know what to tell you. Here draw this rock.

>>6725342
>>6725336
i drew with a block in front of me, can i go home now

>>6721690

>>6725365
Now do it again but draw through it.

>>6723928
lol

>>6725364
>Why did you start darwing if you just end up drawing cubes?
what, you think thats my intention? Theres a reason I stare at the blank canvas for hours before defaulting to the cube.
>What made you even get into this hobby?
See >>6725250
>Just draw man I don't know what to tell you.
and because of that, i dont know what to learn ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Here draw this rock.
....um..

>>6725368
I cant see through the block dudebro. Im drawing what i see.

>>6725373
>No xray vision
ngmi

I am LITERALLY unable to pick up a pen and draw until the book/video/course I read explicitly states "DO EXERCISE NOW". I just don't understand whether I was given enough information or not. Does the author take time to explain everything in 50 pages and then say "start the assignment" or does he imply I just need to kinda draw whenever? I don't understand.

I'm planning on spending my whole day practicing breaking down references into loomis heads, then turning that into a sketch, how am I doing so far?

>>6725403
loomis isn't anatomically correct, so starting with loomis is already starting off on the wrong foot. go hogarth, villppu, or huston

>>6725407
Shut up retard.
>>6725403
Kinda wonky but good practice.

>>6725407
>hogarth
>anatomically correct
jesus fucking christ

>>6725403
not bad, keep on it
I would practice on the example heads he draws too though, so you can get an idea of how he chooses which lines to keep and erase /line values

I read and watched the gesture related parts of Vilppu's manual, so far I only tried drawing the step examples but I will start to draw out the actual examples and doing timed gesture drawings.
I feel like I did ok with is the gesture that's sitting down, but I feel like leaned too much into copying rather than analysing the example gestures.

>>6725407
retard tier take

>>6725269
Mia Goth?

>>6725403
>>6725407
>>6725409
>>6725412
>>6725453


all of their own teachings say this, they themselves (hogarth, vilppu, huston) claim loomis is not anatomically correct.

>>6725468
It's called guideline, have you ever looked at a face retard? Each one is different there is no such thing as an 100% anatomically correct guide.

>>6725473
i'm just telling you what they teach, and they are correct. The fact and truth is that the skull is not a ball.

>>6725468
The heads are fine, Loomis is also clear in his books that his standard of proportion is half a head higher than the academic standard. He also gave examples of other standards of proportions as well and how it scales by age.

>>6725478
>The fact and truth is that the skull is not a ball
If this is my competiton I have to make it.

>>6725478
oh yeah the skull is actually two balls just like hogarth lmao

>>6725484
>>6725489
relax

>>6725465

>>6724959
Cute

>>6725587
>>6725587

new bread
>>6725587

>>6725529
May I cum to this?

>>6725595
You can but only if you eat your cum afterwards. Do you take the challenge?

>>6725141
That's cool. Thanks!