/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

post your works from imagination

>>6719492
sorry we only print out inputs here without knowing why

>>6719394
Just wanted to make sure you started with constructions and didn't just try to copy the lines.

GMI

posted this in wrong thread lmao

How do I learn to draw in a style similar to Yoh Yoshinari? I'd like to make comics in this style. It's "anime" but realistic

>>6719492
making an accurate copy of someone else's style is harder than doodles from imagination imo

Would like some help with this pose.

>>6719662
Where's your ref anon?

>>6719664
it was a toy figure that i was trying to add an ass too.

>>6719664
>>6719668

studies

>>6719703

>>6719706

>>6719637
Just study faces but draw as few lines as possible before it stops looking realistic and use anime eyes? Not hard bro

>>6719662
alright, tried again.
i gtg for now.

>>6719706
wtf

>>6719723
I don't know why but I think this really helped. Thank you.

where do i start with Krenz? he's very inspiring

>>6720237
Watch that 1 hour video he has on his channel

>>6720020
no anon that's not how it works
the arms are at the top of the selves where the cloth is hanging from

>>6720481
That anon is right, you just don't see it.
The arms ar completely broken.
Nice lines tho.

>>6720517
He's nta, I am. I didn't do any constructions for the arms hoping to hide them in sleeves, that's why they might look broken

>>6720521
They don't look broken. They are broken. The way the hands are pointing suggest the forearms follow a path that is incompatible with the position of the elbows.
Exactly what that redline points out.
As I said, you just don't see it, but it's a glaring issue.

Muh anatomy

>>6720659
It's pretty important if you are trying to draw appealing and especially correct bodies and poses.

>>6720696
>>6720659
westoid nonsense.
just trace
just copy
just draw

muh copy

>>6719453
How does one imitate jap twitter artists who post extremely well rendered and colored pinups of genshin girls or whatever
Also what kind of drawing tablet should I get

>>6720786
Bait energy.

Read the op, post what the fuck you mean to be replicate, and what's your budget?

>>6720786
By thinking and making efforts instead of making dumb generalizations.

I need to get into a daily routine

>>6720898
Start with a flexible schedule! I found that a really strict one really made it hard to stick to because I got swamped by it. I did mine like this:
Mornings: do 30 minutes to 2 hours of fundies
Noon: lunch break
Afternoon: do another 30 minutes to 2 hours of different fundies
Evening: dinner, then rest of the time you draw a project or for fun
Before bed: cooldown drawings, read a reference book

In between those you can fit your other daily life stuff or if the drawing times need to be postponed. As long as you do the minimum, after a week it'll stick. I've been doing this for a month now and its been helpful waking up and sleeping in the same hours everyday. Weekends you can be more generous about breaks or you could go more hardcore and study a specific thing as much as you can. Lastly, try to cycle your fundies if possible unless you want to grind something specific for a few days. But shake it up once in a while to not get burnt out.

>>6719492
I’m getting absolutely filtered and it’s still pretty fun. Really wanted to work on eyes, probs gonna stop working on it soon.

>>6719492

>>6720521
>>6720561
legit stop listening to retards the arms are fine

Do you do construction every time you draw something? This process is too slow

>>6719453
How was old art like this created?
Is it some combination of water color and markers? I know Toriyama's art used some sort of gel pen for his line art and those little black lines, but what about the colors themselves?

>>6719453
Where is that far right image from?

>>6721252
Inks, watercolors and copics yeah. Sometimes inked lines, scanned and colored digitally but they usually had that marker wash type look back then. The SMT art on the bottom left is just cel shaded digitally i'm pretty sure.

>>6721278
>copics
I knew those were and still are a big thing. Also the fact that they were scanned in later which really showed that neat texture effect from the paper itself.
Are there any books or vids out there that detail the process?

>>6720819
my budgets about a hundred bucks

Got something made for the ending of big robot anime.
I think my 3d feel for eyes has gotten a bit better but I'm still shaky on that, and shading forms and stuff still kicks my ass

>>6721307
that hand is fucked up

>>6721347
Yeah I think I'll be studying those next

>>6721281
If you mean a detailed process, i'm not sure, sorry. Maybe search around making-of/behind-the-scenes videos or production art books of the media you like. You should be more specific, like "capcom art works" or "akiman art", something like that; any industry giants at the time with the style you're looking for.
Here's a channel I like that does documentaries of video game artists and developers, for example:
https://youtu.be/RxIXilYv0kM
A lot of these guys still do art to this day too so you can look to their digital process and how they translate their style with modern programs.

What construction method do you guys use?

>>6721400
just a sketch

>>6721406
That's amazing
How do you guys even learn this?
Like. What book did you read? where did you see this?

This is magic to me

>>6721412
not sure if you are new or just baiting, but you don't use construction for shit you are used to, like a fucking cube or a ball you can draw these fairly well if you actually try, at that point even the most shitty cube as sketch is enough to draw over to make a good looking box, is the same here.

>>6721415
I just get stumped when it comes to constructing the figure, since there's like a gorillion different methods

So to me is always amazing when people do it flawlessly

I'm not even ready for anime style yet

>>6721400
ze box
ze cylinder

>>6721252
From top left to right:
>alcohol markers (hard to tell)
>gouache (poster paints)
>alcohol markers
>digital(early)
>alcohol markers
>alcohol markers

I personally dislike markers, but watercolor stuff from this era is goat

>>6721218
you are either blind or just trying to gatekeep other artists from improving.

>>6721453
PLEASE
Teach me your secrets!
Where did you learn this?

Any book, course, youtube?
ANYTHING
Please share your wisdom

>>6721400
3.
You shouldnt be doing 1 beyond studies imo. Easiest way to kill your gesture.

>>6721899
just keep copying more finished drawings!

>>6721910
Do you have any idea where I could learn 3?

I only managed to identify number 2 which I think is Vilppu

And please don't say loomis...

>>6721916
How is copying more going to teach me how to construct bodies?

>>6719662
built

>>6721918
Just do timed gesture drawing and you WILL have to learn how to do it on your own terms.
Some advice to get there faster, rather than just trying to visualize forms, try to look for angles too, specially on the places where limbs attach.

>>6721916
doing this turns you into clueless printers.
which is 90% of this thread.
months...years of doing exactly what a robot does...then what? dead end.

>>6722010
yeah and after all that ''grind'' this the end result...
>>6719648
>>6720939
>>6721162
such many cases

>>6721899
>Teach me your secrets!
>Where did you learn this?
lol
im pretty that's not his work
sauce
https://kemono.party/patreon/user/641867/post/30979006

>>6722014
Disappointment follows me wherever I go.


Why is this place so dead!? Where is everybody?

>>6722021
the ppl who already made it are busy making it, most people posting here are retards asking dumb questions or doing dumb shit

>>6721919
The retard that replied to you, obviously isn't the guy you were asking for advice.
I'm another anon that studied construction in order to make it. Copying is legit practice, but it won't make you good at drawing from imagination. That's what most of the begs in this thread seem uncapable to understand.
My advice is to stop listening to dumbasees that parrot copy copy copy.

>>6722021
I use Will Weston's method of construction but thats just me
For faces I use loomis' method

>>6722045
>still in the floating heads phase
qt

>>6722042
I want to!
That's why I'm here shitting the thread asking for opinion on construction

I wasted around 4 months on just copies alone
I don't doubt they have their benefits but I think it's way past time to move on

And with construction I'd be able to start doing master copies and trying to figure out the process behind it and stuff

I heard that's where the real bread lies

I guess I'll just have to read loomis and figure out on my own, I'm just afraid to end up wasting time with a bad construction method.

>>6722067
stop

typing

like this

you fucking trannydittor

>>6722037
So I guess a good art community just doesn't exist right?

Reddit just killed itself

Twitter is well... Twitter

4chan is ridden with people trolling and screeching about AI

Tumblr doesn't have a proper way to interact with each other and it's too disconnected

Discord is full of kids and drama queens

Youtube comment section is the equivalent of a septic tank

So now what?

>>6722077
I think it's easier on the eyes
Better than a wall of text in my opinion

>>6722067
The only bad construction method is one that you don't understand the use for. Crack open a few manuals and videos, try the various methods with your own references, see which one clicks with you then stick with it.

>>6722067
>4 months
>I think it's way past time to move on
lol

>>6722066
pyw

>>6722078
>it's full of kids and drama queens
Apply that to every social platform.
Communities suck because the most active and disruptive users are kids.
>Now what?
Give up trying to interact on the internet.
Go draw and apply for jobs in the industry.
Only use social media to sell your art or as a portfolio, not to interact with a "community" or other artists.

Or just draw and keep to yourself.

>>6722096

>>6722082
Did your school never teach you how to format?

>>6722135
rape

>>6722077
>>6722142
oh look. a nodraw election tourist trying way too hard to fit in.

>>6722135
rofl

>>6722227
whats so funny bro

>>6722100
But anon, I'm fucking lonely. Why even draw or do anything if the audience is rotten? Seriously, please give me a good reason. I want to. But art was made to be looked at. Sure I could doodle in the sand on a desert island and it would pass the time, but the point of a life is relationships with other people. But the people are retarded. What am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to live like this?

>>6722259
>give me a good reason

here

>I want to.

>>6722012
Do you have any suggestions for improving the general issues?

>>6722760
Yeah, don't listen to the imbeciles here, study anatomy and try to draw work inspired by jp artists at the same time. Your pace will be a bit slower but you'll have a better grasp of how to alter and manipulate whatever your artstyle ends up being.

>>6722259
>Why even draw?
Why do you jerk off?
>Art was made to look at
Then look at it.
>What am i supposed to do?
Draw.
>i am lonely
Get used to it, it ain't getting better and anyone that tells you otherwise does not have your best interest in mind.

>>6722259
>Seriously, please give me a good reason.
Truly great art can change people. Don't paint with too broad a brush, sure the market is saturated with soulless apes churning out bullshit coomer work but for every ten pieces of unintimate FoTM bullshit there's genuinely great art being made.

Can someone help me with the eyes?
Just give me some pointers

>>6722819
The shape of the left eyelid should also resemble the one of the right more.

>>6722819
Too close together.

>>6722259
You can either 1. make art or 2. kill yourself

Anons, I'm struggling in reproducing these type leggings light effects. Any tips?

>>6722933
I should try to paint this too. Looks interesting.

Started to paint again after a long break

>>6722933
This is what I managed to do with some air brush. Looks muddy, though. I'm not certain how to add colors and make a more glossy texture.

I added her owner (me)

>>6722012
pyw

>>6722791
Thanks brother. I know I'm garbage I was just having a good time. That hurt in a good and honest way though, so I'll work on it.

>>6721406
>>6723141

>>6723187
not gonna lie, I unironically wouldn't trade the doodles I posted for this

>>6723207
you are the 100th reply
Congrats.

>>6723207
post your doodles

>>6723220
>>6719648

>>6723225
Beautiful tits.
Good job.

>>6723225
Do you use loomis per chance?

>>6723225
>clean lines= better
uh-oh, you need some serius roomis btw.

>>6723237
yes, but the proportions are different
for the body a construction based on this >>6721453

>>6723238
I can crab your work if you want too mister Dunning–Kruger

>>6723240
>I can crab your work
i would love to see it, you said your doodles are better than what i posted, you are pretty oblivious to the mistakes in your drawings and your statement.... lmao.

>>6722977
a clearer understanding of the forms of the leg will inform your lighting choices. the abstracted light shapes in the original hides the depth of the artist's form knowledge.
the muddiness comes from the light carving out strange forms. you have values at both ends of the scale which is about as 'glossy' as you can get lighting-wise, pushing it further would entail reflecting objects on the leg.

>>6723225
very nice boobs anon, also like how you emphasized the areolas
where'd/how'd you learn to draw boobs? I'm currently struggling with that actually, mostly just the shape of it without it looking like it's defying physics

CAPTCHA: 8JOAG (Joan of Arc)

>>6723238
pyw filthy crab

>>6723245
>hiding hands and feet
>lack of form in the dress folds
>insecure lines
this at first sight
I know my mistakes very well and I'm trying to improve but you are delusional if you think you are so superior to trash others

>>6723247
copy your favorite doujin artist pages anon, use manga pages because they are only lines, so its more simple
also, think about the weight of the "ball of fat and meat"

Guys, we have all of these amazing resources, but I'm still not quite grasping how to study anatomy.

Mindlessly copying sounds obviously like a trap. I'm just struggling with how to think/study.

I'm tired of being garbage.

>>6723245
>>6723255
Neither of you really should be crabbing each other given frankly. Quit that shit and practice more.

given your level*

>>6723262
fine, that was my last reply about that
dude is probaly butthurt trying to redline my work right now but this is my last post about it

>>6723255
>hiding hands and feet
you are speculating, i could have choose not to draw them
>lack of form in the dress folds
literally just as much as the og ref, not to mention i could have just wanted to make it simple instead of a renaissance type of dress
>insecure lines as opposed to your lines? lmao loock at the hair in your drawing.

literally nothing, you dissapoint me, i though you could spot the serious errors , too beg to do it yet i guess.

>>6723255
>use manga pages because they are only lines, so its more simple
that's actually genius anon, I never thought about that, gonna grind boobs now Thank you
Also glad to see a Try enjoyer, so glad that man is back to drawing doujins

>>6719453
I actually really want to learn to draw like this but
1. I have let's say 20 minutes a day... How do you divvy that up between actual practice and studying... How do I even "study" art
2. In 5 years AI will be even better... Will my art even be worthwhile

>>6719492
I made an crow witch i guess

>>6723433
What for?
Sexy

Her left hand looks fucked up. Is the problem in proportions or poor drawing?

This was my second drawing ever after learning to to the loomis head method and some really basic construction. The pawell autist in the /beg/ thread told me I need keys to drawing, but that book looks boring as fuck. Should I just continue learning while doing? I know if I read this book and do the exercises that I will get bored to death and burned out. Also, I want to get a book on proper gesture/construction, I'm kinda retarded and autistic, so I need something easy that immediately clicks, or I just struggle.

What is Krenz's accuracy autism for? Is it useful when you're not drawing from references?

>>6723781
Yes, it builds up a visual library. If you accurately copy a lot of drawings, at one point you will be able to draw your own from imagination.

>>6723246

Wow, that is very informative, thanks anon. Noticing now, maybe the pink light reflection could be from the shirt rather than a secondary light, or no?

Anyway, back to studying light, I appreciate the insights!!!

How can I replicate this „fade effect“ that you so often see? It‘s not a soft eraser is looks different..

>>6723846
looks like an overlay layer on top of the brush strokes

>>6723846
it looks like a marker brush

>>6723433
htat's pretty impressive, how often you post here?

>>6723573
Palm too large around her pointer finger, makes it seem like it's just the first two digits

>>6723433
Advance japdom when you start creating animu girls based around vague animal concepts

Does there exist an infographic/tutorial image for rendering in the anime style? I'm looking for something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvng0oPkNy4 but in image form and more catered to anime

>>6724180
lol i rendered my raven witch using Marc's exact process its all the same shit. maybe ill make a vid or a PSD on it

>>6723573
palm looks like it's in front view and the fingers pointing to the side, pinkie finger is too long. is she going to hold something?

>>6719492
drew this on aggie a week ago, super happy with it despite not nailing the loli style

>>6723782
pure copium

>>6724180
hope it helps

>>6724222
Cute shark! Aggies are fun.

Tried copying Hiromitsu in-between Hampton's book study

I drew /asg/ chan

>>6724664
invoke our principal of copying incessantly by giving her 50 moetron heads like a hindoo god

>>6724471
i like this drawing, anon

>>6723187
>>6722012
>people showing their work from imagination and this seamonkey reply with a copy
the absolute state of this half a decade(5 years) stagnant filipino lmeow

>>6724471
Nice, akane love

>>6724815
this one got me you bastard lmfao.

>>6724263
ooor just put it through controlnet and have it rendered in 30 seconds

Did some gesture...

>>6725359
And tried drawing a character on top after. I really felt the absolute void of knowledge in my anatomy here

>>6725360
Forgot pic

Hello /asg/, today I tried doing a semi copy of another artist's picture. I rotated and changed the pose slightly to test myself. Will this yield me good results?

>>6725381
i like the colors on your copy more lol

>>6725359
That's not gesture

>>6725362
If you're not fixing the orientation I don't see why you should expect people to make any effort in commenting or critiquing, which is a shame since you do appear to have made some good efforts there.

>>6725405
Please point why that's the case

>>6722078
Real life. Get friends to draw with. The good thing about drawing is you can hook up a mic and talk to people at the same time.

Can one of you guys give me an example of what the N-technique is used for?

>>6725381
>>6725400
Agreed, original megumin looks like she has mild jaundice

What's a good beginner drawing tablet and stylus? my budget is 80 bucks

>>6725550
>>6719071

>>6721400
4 for the absolute minimum for how I want the pose to look then 2 to flesh it out and go from there. I think I need to start doing 3 because outlining the figure in the shape helps "limit" it in building it right? If that made any sense.

>>6724263
what are you supposed to do with the layers to get 2 and 3 to be like 4

>>6725525
The picture has an example. He wants to draw the inside rectangle so that it's aligned to the same center as the bigger rectangle.
So he has to ensure that the diagonal crosses of both intersect on the same midpoint.
It's useful whenever you want to draw two different-sized rectangles that have some kind of center-alignment, see pic.

>>6725526
>>6725400
Thanks, although I think the original is more accurate to the source. I went to the anime to have a look at Megumin's colors and she does have a bit of a yellowish tinge to her skin. I'm finding it difficult to color skin properly and just assumed she had basic pink skin which I defaulted to. Color just fucks with my mind. If I turn my copy's skin closer to the source does she also look sick? Her skin color is surprisingly difficult to nail without directly eyedropping.

Do anyone feel as though they are getting too old to draw anime? At 33 I feel like I'm supposed to put down the cartoons and be a grown up and I can't help but feel like I'm disappointing the people around me in some way.

Thanks anatomy bros. Last night you guys told me I sucked. The little bit of Loomis I've read has already helped massively. I really thought I'd be stuck a permabeg.

How's this? Been studying torsos for the past week, pose is from imagination
Though I need help, there's things wrong with it and I'm not sure what I need to fix, mostly her body

>>6725891
set layer 3 to multiply and put it on top of 2 to get 4

AH HOW THE FUCK DO I DRAW LEAVES
Do I just abuse texture brushes?

>>6726003
Most of the industry veterans are your age or older at the start of theie careers. I just hit 30 myself earlier this year and I feel like i've just begun a breakthrough. If anything i've started caring less about what others think and want to get good for myself. Of course you have to look at it somewhat realistically if you want to make a career out of it, but if it's a hobby then there's even less pressure for you, just take your time learning.
>>6726071
Not bad! Keep studying and you'll be able to internalize proportioning and checking each side of the body. I recommend drawing a center line always like this to better visualize wonkiness.
>>6726083
You have the right idea with dividing the light and shadow shapes! Push it further with some more highlights on the tops like this. Anime bgs have a watercolor/gouache look and are vibrant value wise.
https://youtu.be/nzoODLTYIfU?t=97

>>6726071
body is whack

>>6726106
Thank you so much for the redline and advice, I'll keep in mind to put a center line too
Anatomy has been pretty difficult for me so far, but I'll just keep on studying it, again thank you!

>>6726124
Thanks for the outline, the abdomen confuses me a lot, I should put proportion lines like that to help, thanks anon!

Doing lineart on Procreate is a nightmare. Do you guys know any JP artists that draw with it and/or have timelapses of their process?

>>6726166
JUN (@_navigavi_) uses Procreate and posts his timelapses to Instagram sometimes. He is actually one of my main inspirations.

>>6726171
Oh, yeah I remember looking him up. His lines are more pencil and less inking but they are really clean nevertheless... Maybe I should just stop trying to line so precisely when i'm not used to a screen tablet for that.

>>6726180
Naoki Saito had a good video that helped me too but apparently his whole channel was nuked?
Good thing I backed up the videos at the time
https://files.catbox.moe/fmrs7k.mkv

How do i draw lines this smooth and clean?
Without guidelines or construction too.

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLD26rjo/

>>6726184
Oh it's a Procreate specific issue for me. I can't seem to vibe with the brush engine for inking in specific. At my desk with sai/csp I can do really clean lines just fine due to almost a decade of muscle memory with a non-display tablet. I'm trying to give it the benefit of the doubt by forcing myself to use it more but it's very frustrating.
Also yeah his channel got nuked by youtube a while back but he has a new one and he's slowly reuploading some of his older videos again.

>>6726186
draw a lot unironically

>>6726198
I agree that Procreate is wack if you're used to CSP and SAI. I still haven't figured out a good way to mimic the blur/blend tool. Lately, I've been using the lasso and gaussian blur, but that involves more trial and error than smudging it out like I normally would.

drawing from reference and plopping an anime head

Study.

>>6726612

>>6726612
>>6726614
gmi

>>6726003
No. Don't fall into that shit man. You are who you are and what you love, don't let what others think dictate who you are or what you do

What kind of brush does Sushio use?

>>6726686
He draws with a mechanical pencil, traditionally. A Pentel one iirc. Digitally, the sketches on his twitter look like it's just a default g-pen.

I'm >>6717094 from the previous thread. An anon told me to do some sketches to practice anatomy so I've been doing that.

I also haven't had much time so I've dedicated like 7 hours total in the last 6 days. I think I'll draw more often from now on though.

I decided to apply construction and combine the Loomis mannequins with some random cylinders, but it's kinda messy as you can see, should I use a different method or just do something like using different colors for the different body parts?

>>6725944
Oh okay, I understand now I believe.
if I want to make a window like this I can also make another one but horizontally I suppose.

Thanks for the explanation.

Shoulders are hard

working on a Church Enforcer, trying make more fantasy gacha stuff to get hired

>>6723277
>2. In 5 years AI will be even better... Will my art even be worthwhile

Do you enjoy drawing or not, pussy?

>>6727431
It's very easy to misplace them even when knowing the structure, yeah. I find looking into some anatomy guides and figuring out their range of motion in relation to the arms is helpful. No sweat though, just put them down first and then check them again afterwards with reference.
>>6727466
The detail on the chest feels a bit busy but that might be subjective.

>>6727517
Totally didn't mean to send the wrong page.

>>6723277
I browse heaps of AI artworks and realised they all look samey, even being trained on different starter data sets they all tend to converge onto one style. Just don't go hyperrealistic like AI and you'll still have a niche

>>6723277
>>6723277
>2. In 5 years AI will be even better... Will my art even be worthwhile
I can carry 120 kilograms and move them 10 meters before collapsing. A forklift mogs me beyond belief but I still lift heavy shit. Why?

>>6726612
Very pretty.

I don't know how to draw feet and I don't want to hide them like a pussy just like how I did with the hands.
I have tried like 4 different brushes for lineart on Krita and all of them look fucked. I know that any competent draftsman could do good lineart with dogshit on a wall but what am I fucking up?
Lines too thick? Not doing it in swift strokes?

>>6727620
It's true that doing it with less strokes is good but lineweight might help you more than anything. Here's a comprehensive video talking about how to make your lineart better from your pen settings to how you should approach it:
https://youtu.be/7pi-mR3j2HY
There's also a lot more nuanced things like overlap and showing details of the clothes and body through the linework but you can start by just getting confident in doing varied and interesting strokes. The rest is style and muscle memory.

Finally working on some painting shit "master studies", so I didnt put a whole lot of effort into the base lines. Plan to go over them afterwards on a new layer. Finally drew the eyes as the correct shape but had to cheat and place them while having the sketch over the image to get them in the right position

>>6727620
Feet are a bit difficult but don't shy away from drawing them even if it looks bad at first. Having them be missing or cut off is much worse for the overall image than just trying. I'd start with making them bigger in proportion to her legs. They can still be small and dainty without them looking like they can't support her weight when she's standing. Just keep studying legs and you'll get there! Let me post a page from a book to show you how to picture it in perspective.

>>6727660
See if this helps you visualize it better.

>>6727466
You draw your eyes a tiny bit far apart. I think it's a nice part of your style, but if you want to generic maxx for work I would experiment with eyes.

>>6727700
yeah for the main pose i just liquified the eyes inwards a bit, looks all right to me now. The 2 thirds view faces make my pp hard so ill keep them as is. For the eyes usually change the shape for whatev archetype they are, for this one i wanted a sleepy sorta look

>>6727730
What the fuck are you even doing here? This could pass as character art for some gacha.

>>6727643
>Lineweight
Yeah. I just throw shit at it without lineweight. Lets see if I can fix it.
Thought his channel was dead. Thanks.
>>6727660
>>6727664
Thanks. I struggle like you have no idea with construction and form and end up just winging it hence why my shit looks so goddamn flat and shit.
I will try to use those fixes.

>>6723245
>>6723255
don't take this the wrong way but i always thought you two were the same person

>>6727739
lol wut
all his art look westoid as fuck. also has that bad dead AI look. its not gonna pass. also he has a bad habit of kneejerking against criticism - good luck with that in a professional environment.

>>6728013
Don't forget that, fortunately, there is absolutely no trace whatever of that time he basically traced Lack's art. None whatsoever. kek.

>>6728016
Geez remind me to never piss off anons on 4chan

>>6728069
Less about pissing off random faggots online, and more about handling criticism properly.

>>6728112
>>6728016
And if you trace, you will be found out.
Just like that one nijisanji fanartist that was called out after being discovered doing it and basically had to suicide all their socials.
pic related, the hack on the left traced naruto

>>6727660
What's your study routine anon?

>>6728013
of couse it looks westoid dumbass christianism and nuns wasnt invented in japan

>>6728121
Between 30 mins to 2 hours of studying a fundamental when I wake up. After lunch and/or however long it takes to do other obligations, I dedicate the rest of the day to drawing from imagination and applying what I learned. I rotate every other day on fundies i'm weak at like rendering and backgrounds (haven't started those yet, focusing on figures currently) so I don't get too bored and lose focus. It's slow-ish but maintaining it consistently has helped me a lot.
If you get bored with studying easily like me it helps to set a hard limit and take a break. Go for longer if you're able to but I find by the 4-6 hour mark returns are diminished and stuff falls out of my head. Better to have some of it retained throughout the day to put into practice in actual pieces later. Figure out what your internal limit is and make a routine out of it.

>>6728122
Eastern design and aesthetics have nothing to do with subject matter. You marmoset brained retard.

>>6728154
Thanks for the thorough reply.
I have a good degree of motivation when it comes to master studies since I'm rather good at observation, but specific studies like constructive anatomy, etc, can get pretty dry and I generally don't last a few days. I've had the most consistent success with these when teaming up with someone, since the competitive/sharing aspect tends to fire me up, but I haven't had access to that in a long time now sadly.

What are your preferred sources of learning?
みにまるコミック is probably my favorite because I like analytic teachers and when it comes to anime stylization there aren't that many of them out there.

>>6728213
>What are your preferred sources of learning?
I'm the Rinotuna guy so he's my main source for figures and for rendering. Other figure drawing books and things about poses I refer to occasionally like the Weichun Xiao Anatomy for Artists, Taco Point Character Drawing and Theorem of Poses. The rest of my sources are just illustrations and artbooks of artists I admire. I have folders labeled for inspo and for study like "art to study for lighting" or "art to study for composition" etc.
Minimaru's good too yeah, I got some great pointers about the face from one of his videos.

>>6728115
Looks fine, looks referenced

>>6728112
"criticism" only matters if the feedback is good or constructive. None of that exists here.

>>6727466
Where did you learn designing characters anon?

Do we need to draw a tire for the head?

>>6728517
Ball and plane dude, ball and plane

First time rendering, I tried to read guides but most of them just confuse me, so I just went with a reference pick and tried to replicate a render

>>6728701
learn how to draw

>>6728701
Learn the shapes of the human body, where it bulges and where it sinks, learn the very basics of lighting to see where light strikes and how shadows form.
After learning that you will know where to put your values.

You vill do kopiz

And you vill be happi

>>6728701

So I bought some of Christopher Hart's books, gonna study them, copy every diagram and stuff, any advice? I've been drawing for few months already but didn't study anything.

Does copying bridgeman twice method work for anime?

>>6728907
Of course, everything that works with figure drawing works for anime

Is it actually possible to get good at art to be able to pull in commission money and fame as a 32 yo /beg/tard? I only gained self awareness at the age of 30 (kek) and figured out something that I want to do but the common opinion is that 30s is too late to go from nodraw to pro.

>>6728940
There are anons who made it even older than you. Will you let them win or will you fight?

>>6728966
I like how you drew the face!

>>6728940
if you want easy money you can get good enough in maybe 6 months, but your market will be degenarte stuff and you will have to be versed on that shit.
and by easy money i dont mean easy work, even though i haven stepped on that shit, drawing regualr coom made me feel like shit, spending my weekends rendering cocks, assholes, ahegos and shit was the worst, if that's your jam then lucky, but if not your art has to be either top tier or people liking you enough to not care your basic shit and still give you money.

>>6728940
It's too late but you can have nice hobby

>>6728940
in 3 years you can be a pro if you aren't retarded and actually spend 3-5 hours everyday at it
obviously if its something you like and it didn't come out of "I want a computer job but I'm too stupid to learn to code"

>>6728940
Do something actually productive like bodybuilding or programming instead.

>>6728339
From taking some private mentorships. The thing is I'd say I got to where I am by continually getting feedback on concepts and reviewing what was useful and what wasn't. That one idiot that thinks I trace everything because I did hard ref of an artist's comp a couple years ago is one example of how people on here aren't very skilled yet they can't actually elaborate or show you how to fix your problems despite them thinking they know everything. They dont want to help you, they just want to be a dickhead
Character designing is just a series of problems and specifics you have to solve, but requires a lot of deliberate thinking and choices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REB1eZRAz_w&t=209s

A bit of an old video but it helped me get started learning the basic theory on "how to think".
>>6723987
>>6723487
It's some of the work I was doing under mentorship of lead character artist at a studio I want to work at. I've been posting here since 2017, but now I rarely post per year because people keep thinking I'm stealing/tracing or AI. Not really worth the drama.

>>6728835
cool drawing i like it

but who is kopiz

>>6729375
Copies

>>6729060
I grinded for 2 years and realised this endeavour takes a lot more than I expected it to need. Guess I am ngmi.

Do you guys copy copy, or do you just use your source like any other reference? I've been employing light construction techniques in my copies, and it has made the entire process a lot easier and I believe I'm learning more because of it. I'm not concerned with an exact copy but something that captures the feeling of the original.

I'm starting to lose motivation from all the studying and haven't really drawn anything of my own for awhile. What should I do with myself? How to generate ideas? I somehow feel burnt out and have lately been drifting in and out of a vegetative state and the drive I had when I started is fading. I've not been having fun with drawing recently and thinking about it is starting to give me stress.

>>6729578
To add I'm getting an understanding of what I need to do to become good now and I feel devastated because of it in some strange way. I need to learn so I can draw things that look good but at the same time can't summon up the drive to create anything because I know it will look like shit. I'm stuck in a mental loop and can't escape it.

>>6729578
>>6729593
Failing is part of the process. To get good you need to know what failure is like. If you never fail then you'll never reach a point where you can make good drawings because you brain will not know what *not* to do.
>Then what about knowing what to do?
This is too subjective because each artist has their own way of drawing. The reality of things is that you're competing against yourself, not against others.

>>6729578
>>6729593
sometimes drawing in Drawpile with other people can help you get into the mood

>>6728115
how is that tracing you stupid retard?
>>6728517
>that image
its fucking over
>>6728940
yes, its never too late

>>6730006
>how is that tracing you stupid retard?

try to argue that to 10k upset internet faggots who get you cancelled over "stealing"

>>6728115
Lmao he could've gotten away with it if he changed up the panels. Lazy retard.

>>6730274
but why hide it?
What exactly seems to be the problem?

It's like those people in the youtube comments who accuse each other of stealing comments, right? That's the thing?

copy of Korra I did a few weeks ago

>thought about appealing artists to study from
>it's all artists that specialize in cute girls
whelp

>>6730420
Other than adjusting the face slightly, not bad!
>>6730422
Anime is in the business of selling cute girls (mostly) I suppose.

any redlines/critique welcome

>>6730422
?????????? plenty of artists out there drawing men and plenty of genres out there which feature mainly male characters.
You ARE aware that there is another general for that purpose right? >>6703598

If you're talking about women with big proportions or w/e then you have no excuse either. Some acting like some entitled roastie.

>>6729593
I like to think of it as you having 1000 shitty drawings stuck inside of you, so if you're not going to crank them out it won't get better. obviously learn during it so you can actually improve but it made me more motivated in the beginning

>>6730454
fingers on her left hand look stubby compared to right
think the eyes could be bigger and mouth/nose smaller, but matter of taste
upper arm (shoulder to elbow length) feels a little short
personally, the gun element feels too small and doesn't have the stability or presence of the tank turret. it doesn't quite invoke the feeling of the mounted machine gun, either.

>>6730517
thanks, noticed the arm thing myself just earlier
and yeah the gun's dumb, forgot to toggle the ref on but it's the REALLY short autocannon on the roof from the m60 ambt, i think it's cute

>>6730529
i see, maybe you can play with deforming the shape more, emphasize the cuteness.
another thing i noticed just now is the armor shapes don't quite match, as you have them now they are narrow and almost triangular. i would try boxier/rounder shapes first and try to work from there.
good luck anon

>>6730454
Mostly subjective but i'd just raise the shoulders and chest slightly higher. If they're tilted like that then she'd be slouching more forward along with her head. Love your style though.

>>6730572
oh good idea, got carried away copying the model from in game but yours looks a lot more appealing

>>6730573
thanks! i'll try that

>>6729295
Will you take students? I've been interested in mentorship, I'm not sure how to go about them.

>>6726071
Cute girl

I want to make artworks with a variety of characters in a variety of poses and positions, like group scenes, where do I get references for that? Finding this stuff is really difficult to me, and even figuring out "what pose do I use for this character" is tough.

>>6731277

>>6731277
there are no direct references for that. you find what you need and use your knowledge of construction, perspective, and anatomy to change the reference to fit the scene.

>>6731277
>>6731279
Compositions like this are based on individual character personalities + interacting with the scene they're in. For example: they're shopping at a market in town, which character would most likely be running around excitedly? Would it be fun for two or three of them pair up and look at a particular stall together? Would an argument start between two of them because of their personalities clashing or they just tend to pick fights a lot? Those decisions affect things like poses and expressions, even how you want to angle the camera and what objects are around for them to play around in. It's creative problem solving + composing a nice shot of them together at the same time.
I suggest looking at promotional art of games and anime with a large cast of characters, not unlike what you've posted. There's no hard rules other than fundamentals like composition, you just need to start with a good idea for the setting first and the ball will roll from there.

How good are you with angles

>>6731277
>>6731277
The trick is to not think of each charachter as their own subject at first. First you want to to figure out what compositional shape the group makes. And then add in individual gestures for each charachter so that they flow together with the shape. And then build out the charachters as normal.

It can really help to do some quick gesture drawings with multiple figures for practice and get a feel for how to flow them together.

>>6730432
>>6730458
I was complaining that my tastes weren't varied, not that cute girls are bad

>>6731419
Sorry anon, jumped the gun a bit too quickly here.

forcebros...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wkLeDFCW44

>>6731309
It's something i'm trying to learn at the moment! I want to be able to pose characters dynamically even when they're just standing.

>>6731697
That subtle wide angle perspective on the lower half combined with forced perspective on the top half, that forward pelvic position, that's a good angle...

Complete mess, but I guess I'm still taking a few steps forward. Took a two month break from drawing, which I'm sure didn't help whatsoever. Feel like I gave up on the skirt when trying to figure out how it wraps lmao. The one thing I am happy about is not frustrating myself trying to make one brush do everything. I got a tip from a dude here to use softer/air brushes for some parts that I couldn't depict well with just your normal brush. To you if you're still there: thank you!
>>6728940
Some big names at the moment didn't seriously start drawing until 27. What one thing really cheered me up in terms of skill level and age are the mentioning from wagies, like myself, trying to fit in drawing in their limited schedules from Naoki Saito's book. Seeing their progress even with how busy their lives get made me realize I'll get there even if I don't have as much free time as when I was younger. Keep trying, man.

>>6731732
looks good anon

>>6731732
Dog Sexo.

>>6731711
Hata is amazing! I've only recently discovered his art and I immediately want to study him once I do more anatomy practice. He's pretty gracious as well and explained his entire shading process which is also something I like about his work. I'm hoping to incorporate it into my workflow.

I keep filling up sides of paper with bad drawings for practice and it becomes too painful to look at and draw on the reverse side so I get a new sheet but I can't keep wasting paper like this

>>6731740
>He's pretty gracious as well and explained his entire shading process
where?

>>6731736
>>6731739
Thank you, Anons.
>>6731751
Get practice pad for doodles. Never have to let your eyes gaze on them ever again if they're contained.

>>6731758
https://twitter.com/Lhata4564/status/1571128667128074240
He also has a few timelapses on his twitter.

>>6731277
These kinds of work usually takes a long time with multiple artists and heavy use of 3D. Best bet is to practice scenes from movies.

>>6731920
extremely useful stuff, ty anon

Trying to do these quick CSI studies

I'm NGMI, grinding has become a slogfest and I'm stagnating

>>6732688
this is when you doodle from imagination without worrying about whether it's good or not

>>6732519
Post ze ref

>>6732519
>CSI
Bullshit trap.

>>6732876
filtered crab

>>6726654
Thank you anon. We are all gmi!
>>6727620
Indeed, Krita's brushes are a bit difficult to use to get a good lineart.
I usually use a hard tip brush with some opacity with the pressure settings.

I switched from an old screenless tablet to a display tablet today, it's been uncomfortable for my back and weird to draw on it
I hope I get used to it

>>6733175
UPDATE YOUR PIXIV YOU FRENCH FUCK.

who are your favorite anime artstyle artists, anons?

>>6731732
Me again.
Did another sketch for today.

>>6733246
XilmO@夕末
零@通販始めた
omochinoie
しおん
Paindude
あきま (Akimasa Tokunaga)

>>6730816
This looks amazing anon! Thank you for the fixes, and this is honestly her correct proportions, and yeah Ange is pretty cute

If someone wants to criticize my last 3 illustrations that's fine, but it's the first time I really want someone else to see what I draw.
I feel like I'm making more progress by taking a character along with references to put them together and make something new and not just copy it.
Sorry if you don't understand the joke for doing it in Spanish. It is referring to ITSV where Miguel asks to catch Miles Morales but Tatsumaki (his girlfriend) says Nig--

>>6726612
Where is bottom from? It seems super familiar but I cant recall a name

>>6734080
>1
Blog?

How many studies to imagination drawings do you do?

>>6735032
99 to 1

Optionaltypo is a god

>tfw im getting coommissions despite my art being mediocre


holy shit can't believe people would pay anything at all for my garbage art lmao.
Maybe it's because regualr peole are below /beg/ to notice my shittyness or something

>>6733175
>uncomfortable for my back
Get a base or something nigger

am i doing anime yet