/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6719071
schizo won't like this

>>6719080
good.

my ipad is good enuf for me. whatever works. works

>>6719071
So I have a cheap chink drawing tablet that works fine for me, and I have none of the problems of the related webm, but I'd like to know just how much better and exactly what is improved on a wacom tablet that would cost 3 times as much. Are they really worth the cost or is it just people trying to justify their purchase? Bear with me please, I'm new to digital art

>>6719617
Your post reeks of schizo. That webm is like 5 years old already.

>>6719623
Well it was posted in the last thread you fucking autist

I still smirk at the thought of people buying Intuos 3 tablets because of that OP. The Intuos 3 Grip Pen and smooth overlays are fun to use once in a while but you'll get carpel pain, well at least I do. I still prefer the Pro Pen design, it doesn't get better than it, there's a reason everyone copied it and not the Intuos 3 Grip Pen.

Where do you go to get info on drawing tablets? Asking since the OP from the last thread seems to be wrong

>>6719654
That doesn't mean that webm is up to date. It shouldn't even be posted anymore. Is like complaining about Dual Core processors are slow and sluggish in 2006 and recording it when it's 2023 now.

If I remember correctly, that was a Gen 1 tablet, and today Gen 3 tablets are being sold.

>>6719654
>Well it was posted in the last thread

well you're fucking retarded and you should probably just never post again you fucking retard

>>6719689
Can you answer the question or are you only capable of spewing toxic diatribe to a faceless post online?

>>6719617
>Are they really worth the cost or is it just people trying to justify their purchase
Bingo friend
They're marginally better than Chinese offerings, but not 3x better. A lot of pros are switching to xppen and huion.

>>6719489
Same here anon, sometimes I want to get a bigger one so I'm not sacrificing screen space for CSP buttons as mine is only 10 inches. Having to deal with a screenless tablet and move my hand away from the page to hit some keyboard shortcut makes me want to kill myself exponentially more each time I have to do it, so I'll make due until I can upgrade to a 12 incher.

>>6719755
are you only capable of MEMESHITTING like a MEMESHITTER that MEMESHITS without doing one single fucking IOTA of thinking or researching from sources that aren't SHITPOSTS on a SHITPOST board

I wish I found retards sexy then I could look at you and get a boner but I can't so just fuck off thanks

>>6719791
>They're marginally better than Chinese offerings, but not 3x better. A lot of pros are switching to xppen and huion.
Damn, I was hoping for maybe the surface feeling smoother if that makes sense. Drawing on my current tablet is fine but the surface feels somewhat coarse. It doesn't remind me of paper, it just feels like drawing on a screen. My only real complaint about it aside from that is that it has too many fucking cables, but after routing them all on my desk I can deal with it

>>6719791
Maybe if you have no sense of touch then they aren't worth it, and frankly most of the people posting on this imageboard have as much tactile sensitivity as they do artistic sensibility.

As for me, I'd never want to go without this Cintiq Pro 27 ever again. It's truly a leap above anything that anybody else has ever put out, even Wacom. "Overpriced" isn't a thing when it's literally the only product that removes the digital-analog disconnect while doing art.

>>6719817
I don't get your message very well, but you prefer screen than screenless right?

drawing is a hobby people drop easily
do you think pawn shops and thrift stores will have some?
where should I aim for?
I was thinking the city since it'll have the highest concentration of failed artists

>>6719838
>Drawing on my current tablet is fine but the surface feels somewhat coarse.
Anon, that's intentional. If you want to see what a smooth screen is like, go to an apple store and fuck around with the ipad and apple pencil. It's miserable.

If you want a smoother screen but not just glass, get an xp pen display tablet. They don't use etched glass like wacom or huion do, but isntead of a basic screen protector that starts off with less tooth, and will wear down more over time to eventually just feel like wax paper.

>>6719846
Can you post a few more buzzwords? You ad falls short without at least 2 or 3 more.
>>6719912
I see pen tablets fairly often at thrift strores, but think I've only seen a display tablet one time, and it was an original cintiq. very rarely do they have the pens with them though. either the person donating lost their pen, or more likely the niggers that volunteer to work off community service hours have absolutely no idea they go together.

Pawn shops are probably a better bet for something complete, or just check facebook/craigslist/offerup/ebay/mercari.

OP you dropped this:

Why you should not trust youtube shills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284 [Embed] [Open]

If you have any additional questions, ask them.
Remember to ignore all chinese shills.

>I'm thinking of getting the Wacom One, should I buy it?
Fuck off retard. Ask a better question.

Recommended tablets:

>Intuos 3
Best screenless tablet. Look for one on Craigslist or Ebay.
>Intuos 4, 5 & Pro
Also good options. Will burn through your nibs.
>Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite
Budget portable display tablet. Very solid drawing experience with Wacom EMR tech, but a small 10.4" display area.
>Used iPad Pro 2nd Gen 12.9"
Best option for a display tablet.
>Galaxy Tab S7+/S8+
Good premium alternative to an iPad Pro
>One by Wacom (not Wacom One)
Solid cheap option

Avoid:

>XP-Pen, Huion, Gaomon and every other Chinese brand
Poor build quality, lackluster pens, broken tilt, struggles to register light pressure, horrible customer support and the displays are not calibrated. All Chinese brands have the same problems. Check out the webm to understand how bad they are. Also watch out, Chinese companies shill HARD on /ic/; they do a lot of samefagging and frequently hurl personal insults.

>Microsoft Surface Pro
The N-Trig digitizer means you will always get wobbly lines.

>Lenovo
Bad drawing performance because they're not designed with art in mind.

>iPads (brand new) - Bad value
>iMacs and Macbooks - Never buy this garbage under any circumstance. It's a locked ecosystem with rubbish hardware you can't upgrade.

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>>6719617
Remember wacom sucks

>>6719935
Can you be poor more?
Didn’t think so ;3
Say hi to your mom for me, champ!

>>6719830
YWNBAW

>>6719846
>it's literally the only product that removes the digital-analog disconnect while doing art.
you can't draw traditionally tho.

>>6719846
holy fuck lmao
this might be the most blatant shill I've ever seen on here. literally reads like you typed out a script they gave you

>>6719617
They're kind of like the apple of tablets imo, you will pay silly inflated prices but at least you know it's going to be decent quality and drivers will run smoothly compared to chinkshit. I've had both chinkshit and wacom and only ran into troubles with my huion so far

>>6719791
>A lot of pros are switching to xppen and huion.
“Pros” are not your favorite yt reviewer shilling the latest review sample.
Anyone who uses a Wacom for years all say the same thing, The cheaper knockoffs are nice but Wacom have a better feel. It’s the same tired arguments like Apple vs android.

>>6720062
>It’s the same tired arguments like Apple vs android.
you mean how most people that are actually into phones prefer android?

>>6720048
only tablet of the10 or so I've owned that had any problems was my intuos 3. It would constantly lose pressure sensitivity and just draw at 100%, the eraser would either not work at all or act like the normal brush, and every so often it just wouldn't do anything at all. This was like 15ish years ago when it was still somewhat modern.

>>6720048
They are worse than apple. The design, QA, and support are leagues worse and I think they're actually more inflated for what you get. At least apple is able to pull of shit like the iPad and Macbook Pro's having pretty top tier displays and a nice user experience. Sure they might not last that long but they don't feel like flawed products as much as the cintiq's do.

>>6719791
>>6719617
Reposting my comparison from the other thread to >>6714657 with some clarifications and extra thoughts

The cintiq 27 pro is probably the best tablet I've ever used (*) having previously used a cintiq 32, intuous pro, and kamvas 24. The 120hz makes drawing feel slightly better than but I appreciate the increased brightness and oddly enough the glass texture the most. Before the light coming in from the window would wash out the cintiq 32 so much I'd just put a piece of paper over it and use it as a drawing table. The parallax is still noticeable but leagues better than the 32. The biggest bottleneck is always the software for me. If you like to zoom and move the canvas a lot for easier linework and details, some programs are just doomed. Clip Studio lags to the high heavens for me in terms of touch, with at least .2 seconds. Meanwhile Photoshop is super smooth. Desktop just doesn't do touch that well. The iPad will always feel better for responsiveness if you crave that iPad workflow. However, the pro-motion 120hz is fake and you don't actually get a stable refresh rate so it sometimes doesn't feel as smooth to draw with compared to the cintiq 27.

However, it has a pretty shit tier HDR and isn't mini-LED. The black levels and uniformity is shit. It again has a whiny always on laptop fan. The buttons on the back are nice if you like spamming the ctrl z shoulder buttons like a madman, but 8 is not enough. I had to resort to assigning the buttons on the pen and I still have to use the keyboard once in a while. The colors also don't come pre-calibrated and their calibration software is the worst piece of software I've ever used. The contrast and color clipping is godawful.

I can tolerate it but it is way too new and unrefined. If you just want a chill and smooth tablet drawing experience get the iPad. I only got the new 27 pro because my 32 broke and I didn't know about it's flaws. Don't recommend.

>>6719661
No, the same problems are still there no matter how much you're in denial, idiot.

To anyone with a functioning brain: STAY AWAY FROM XP PEN AND HUION. They are cheap, deceptive tablets.

>>6719791
>A lot of pros are switching to xppen and huion.
lol no they're not you shill moron.

>>6720377
i appreciate the review, ive been looking for someone to critically compare the responsiveness between the ipad pro and 27 pro because responsiveness is the #1 thing for me, i cant stand when the brush lags behind my pen. ive tried some shitty tablets and if it's laggier than the ipad it's unusable.
so
>iPad will always feel better for responsiveness if you crave that iPad workflow.
is really scary to hear, getting CSP on the 27 pro has been my dream cause i figured it would be exactly like to the ipad pro except i could actually use professional software.
are you sure it's not your computer specs?

>>6720377
>all these words
>nothing talking about how orgasmic the thing is to actually DRAW on

you sound kinda retarded desu
if you’re using a drawing tablet to actually fucking draw on (which clearly you aren’t concerned with) then you don’t want blinding HDR nits to begin with

for that matter if you’re using the cintiq as your sole monitor for colors then that’s you’re own goddamn fault and you should get a clue

>>6720400
Nobody cares about your input, chinese sperg.

>>6720377
>I can tolerate it
Maybe don't use terrible software? Or deal with the rest of your non-Cintiq computer hardware that actually affects computer performance before you complain about things that are unrelated to it?
>>6720391
Not that anon, but the Cintiq Pro 27 and anything else (including the iPad Pro) is night and day as far as I'm concerned. iPads feel like a goddamn toy after working on the 27 for months on end, my personal tablet has been relegated to being the reading and porno device while at home.
Haven't had any issues with performance in PS or CSP or anything myself but I also don't futz around with touch controls. That shit is slow and I've been using hotkeys for decades so I don't have any desire to try move over to that junk.

>>6720377
Lol that red bar

Gamma fucked? Macos or Winblows?

>>6720400
>but I appreciate the increased brightness and oddly enough the glass texture the most
I'm sorry you lack the ability to read anon. Your lizard brain went straight to assuming I'm using it as the sole monitor for color. How did you come to that sound logical conclusion of me only one monitor when I have 5 screens accounting for only tablets?

>>6719617
I used to have a Wacom. It's better than the chinks tablets yes, but this is 2023 and not 2016 or whatever when the chinks tablets were still at their primordial baby steps stage. Chinks tablets are good enough and certainly good value for their price as long as its a known brand like XP-Pen or Huion and not some random "16000 Pressure Sensitivity Hot Popular Drawing Tablet Display 4k 16 for Professional Students" on Aliexpress. You're completely fine in taking any cheap XP-Pen or Huions if you dont have the budget for Wacom or iPad.

Also I've been using the 2020 XP-Pen since 2020, lol. It's my daily driver for art stuff for commissions and other projects. I'm thinking for an upgrade, but there's barely any good models that doesn't break the bank and has outstanding new features that I'd notice. (No XP-Pen, 16,000 pressure sensitivity is a useless feature that no one is going to notice).

>>6719817
Oof. 10" is way too small imo. Even 12" is small too. At least aim for 13.3", and 15.6" is juuust nice for desktop art creation experience.

>>6720431
aren't wacoms made in china anyway?

>>6719656
The pro pen slim unironically changed my life, so much better than the bulky default one.

>>6719857
I prefer a screen yes

>>6720409
>CSP and PS
>Terrible software
>Haven't had any issues with performance in PS or CSP
I'm confused so what software that aren't terrible do you use?
Also how'd you come to the genius conclusion that I'd have hardware issues that bottlenecks my performance if I'm already willing to shill out money for the cintiq?

None of you guys are actually "critiquing" the 27. Just sucking Wacom's pro penis 3.
>No actual detailed description of what drawing on it is like other than variations of "good"
Even the YT shills are better than you because they at least try to talk about changes and preferences like not having the eraser at the back, the ergonomics of the buttons, and the flimsiness of the add-ons.

>>6720391
You're better off doing your own research and looking on other forums with level headed owners. I've already outlined the QoL issues so you can decide for yourself.
Specs not compensating for windows or software shortcomings like CSP's quirks for large brushes or the persistent windows ink issues will always lurk in the background.
I'm not saying the cintiq 27 pro is barely better than a 300 buck display tablet, but I AM saying it's an unfinished product. You can see if there are any retailers around you that has one to demo to see if you feel like it's worth the splurge. Again to clarify, brush lag is not the issue if you computer is powerful enough. It's the touch zooming and panning. There is still a bit of brush lag but for desktop tablets it doesn't get much better than the 27 in that department. You can still kind of use it like an iPad pro, the closest experience for me (including touch) was photoshop because it utilizes the hardware better and doesn't have any major unresponsiveness until you reach a ludicrous amount of layers. Keep in mind these are the minor 5% differences that are make or break the feel for some people in terms of responsiveness and that Apple probably spends exponentially more money on developing their touch technology.

>>6720434
It definitely feels too small. My only issue with getting an actual desktop/PC-connected tablet is that I already spend so much time at my desk, I don't know if I want another device that's going to bind me to it. I'm not looking to go pro or anything so I'd rather have something I can just pull out anywhere and mess around with for a little bit

i have a huion kamvas 13, had it for years now, does anyone know how to fix the color difference between my main monitor and the tablet? Windows color calibration does virtually nothing other than slightly change the brightness.

Do I need a better PC? I'm on a laptop rn that probably costs less than this tablet, so I'm not sure what to do. Also any recs for tablets with screens that are at least monitor size? ty

>>6720469
Your main monitor and tablet will always have color differences. You need to calibrate your tablet with a calorimeter and software or if you prefer bushworks style by hand and sliders. Nvidia control panel has some basic sliders. You can start with that but cheat tablets won’t usually beat out monitors of the same price whose only job is to display something.

>>6720469
1. align white temperature
2. calibrate by eye with CLTest (choose target gamma first)
3. persist LUT by saving with quickgamma while making no changes, or whatever

aHR0cHM6Ly9hbm9uZmlsZXMuY29tLzY1V2F5OHo1emEvQ0xUZXN0X3Jhcg==

I save the reports and manually reload them when needed, because sometimes I need to see the full range of colors and the clipping might be a problem, or the night mode is screwing off calibration and wants its own.
I never tried it with a HDR display, 'cause I don't have one.

>>6720440
Same, I still can't believe people used the Grip Pen, it blows my mind honestly, it's so heavy and clunky.

>>6720440
I still can't believe people used the Grip Pen, it blows my mind honestly, it's so heavy and clunky.
The Slim Pro Pen is a major reason I want a Cintiq 16 instead of a larger older model.

>>6720446
you’re worse than that one doctor that was complaining about screen quality lmao
Pyw

Am I the only Microsoft® Surface™ artist here?

Anyone here uses the Samsung 2-in-1 Galaxy Book with the emr pen? Is it good enough for using CSP and SAI?

Picked up my tablet after months to make an edit. It has a screen on it but is registering inputs on monitor 1 instead of the screen Im trying to use. Any advice you guys could give me before I fuck something up trying to fix this issue? I'm assuming I can just recalibrate it but I'm dumb as fuck.

>>6720384
you are a stupid fucking nigger

>>6720062
>“Pros” are not your favorite yt reviewer shilling the latest review sample.
Steven zapata uses an xp pen if I remember correctly anon is right more people are realizing that paying the extra 1000 fucking dollaridoos for a wacom with the same size and res does fuck all for your drawings
keep being a retarded nigger though

i got constant back pain due to injury and cant sit on a regular chair anymore
do you think if buy something like this i'll be able to draw again?

>>6720788
Pretty pointless, your back is still bent.

T. Looking for a solution to my herniated back as well

>>6720800
there's less pressure on your spine though

>>6720800
there's less pressure on your spine though
my only question is how long can you sit with knees bent like that

>>6720807
> my only question is how long can you sit with knees bent like that
Kekekek I can already imagine the pins and needles sensation after a 3 hour sensation when you’re so in the zone

>>6720788
>>6720800
>>6720807
>>6720810
friendly reminder to other art bros to invest in a good ergonomic chair. Get a steelcase leap or herman miller aeron. You can get them for like $50-200 used.
If going with leap, try to find a v1 highback or v2

>>6721113
ergonomic chairs can't help you when you have a back injury
i legit can't sit and spend most of the day lying in bed
right now i have a monitor mounted over my bed and a tablet next to me on bed when i draw.
I want to find a way to draw on a monitor but i can't draw if it's above me because you lose blood in your arm if you have it extended skyward for too long.

>>6719617
I talked about getting an xp-pen 16 pro for free last thread and it's been working perfectly fine so far.

>>6721125
you're doing literally the worst thing you should be doing by staying in bed

t. had to go to physiotherapy thanks to pinched nerves and fucked up muscles in my back thanks to comic making deadlines and learned that the secret to drawing painfree is exercise, exercise and more fucking exercise
couldn't even walk without excruciating pain and electrocution feelings from the nerve pinches prior to physio, now I'm doing better than ever before

>>6721220
i've had this for 10 years and i've done more than enough exercising to know it doesn't fix it
i don't have a pinched nerve since i've already had spine fusion. doctors dont know what's causing it. It's a constant blunt pain and it appears when i sit or stand too long. It doesn't appear at all through movement.
but who cares i need a chair not health advice.

>>6719071
i bought an inspiroy 1060p and the pointer slides a little down when i touch the drawing surface and then it stays in place, is this because of the tilt sensor or is it broken?

I've had a cintiq 16 for almost a month now and really like it, only thing is if I draw for more than a couple of hours at a time the chunky Pro Pen 2 hurts my hand.
Does the Pro Pen slim fix that problem? It's supposed to be just slightly thicker than a pencil. Or should I just set the tablet itself at a different angle, I have the offical stand for it so I can set a whole bunch of angles

>>6721895
I already have the Classic Pen but I plan to also buy the Cintiq 16 then sell the thick pen since I don't need it. It it's anything like the Classic Pen yes, for long hours of work it's a must.

>>6720788
Exercises, stretch, learn to site straight.

That kind of chair will only help you having weird sex with weird people.

>>6721965
Haven't tried the classic pen, the Cintiq 16 I just bought is the first digital art tool I've ever gotten. Screen is great and responsiveness is great, but the pen feels like a marker and not a pencil which I'm used to drawing with

>>6722046
I like the Pro Pen1 a lot, only used the ProPen2 for a little bit so not enough to form an opinion. I personally like to rotate pens to keep the fatigue and repetition away.

My personal experience.

X-Pen is average but it's cheap and it get's the job done.

Wacom cintiq pro 13 is the best tablet so far but it's too fucking small, the drawing surface is acceptable until you realize you have the entire program UI invading the canvas

Wacom cintiq 24 is meh, better than the X-Pen but not by a lot.

if I want a display tablet what's the smallest screen size can go while still being functional? my desk only has space for 13-15 inches of screen total

>>6721965
>have small hands.
>pay small hand tax to buy the pro pen slim.
Why is Wackcum like this?

Would this be a good upgrade from an old XP-pen with an 11.6 inch screen?

All I'm looking for is a larger drawing area.

How does HUION compare in quality to XP-pen?

I see more praise for HUION , but I can't really compare them since I've only had this XP-pen tablet.

BTW: I know that there are better quality brands, but I'm not yet that into digital art to be ready to spend 1000€+.

I primarily use a cintiq for my desk setup but I'm looking for a secondary tablet that is powered by USBC. I tried out an older model huion kamvas but the real deal breaker for me is initial activation force and pen button behavior. I like to do "tap to click" when using my pen buttons but this feature is often glossed over in many reviews. Also I'd like to have the option to bind a driver level erase to one of the pen buttons like on wacoms too. Does anyone have a chinese tablet that meets some of these nitpicks?

For some reason I feel like I can draw better on my ipad than I can on my cintiq 16. Is there any reason for this or is it just all in my head?

>>6723043
It depends on the task, if I'm drawing I use one pen, if I'm coloring I use another one.

>>6723560
You like the pen better or something probably

I’m actually the same but my other workflows besides drawing is more efficient on the Cintiq 16 which is the reason I got it.

i know the local wacom and apple shills wont like this post, but here i go:

the new (X3 stylus series) screenles xp-pen tablets are godlike and super cheap as bonus. all you will ever need. deco L. if you will buy the fun edition then it is cheaper but wont have tilt detection which honestly isnt that relevant anyway.

>>6723415
damn these get cheap fast.
my xpen 12 pro is only a littler over 2 years old and costs almost as much as this at discount level

For any eurofags, CEX sells 2nd hand wacom tablets, which they dont know how to price properly so they are extremely cheap.
got a cintiq 27qhd touch for 700 bucks, when it still costed 3k new, it was looked brand new to boot. if you have a cex in your country, give it a look, see if you can find anything, you might find a good deal.
>>6723415

>>6722958
>my desk only has space for 13-15 inches of screen total
What the fuck midget desk do you have? 16" is the smallest I'll ever recommend

>>6723415
The 22 plus isn't that much more expensive, but offers a lot more.

>>6723796
Must suck to have non functioning nerve endings in your hands. You can't even tell how fucking worthless your Chinese made garbage is lmao

>>6724936
must suck to be a schizophrenic wacom shill nigger who keeps getting ignored by everyone
have a pity (You)

>>6724936
funniest post in this thread.

Boys, please help me configure my new Deco01v2; I'm very new to this.

>>6719617
Came here just to piss you off, I traded my Cintiq 13hd for a Huion 22 Plus, works great, same quality drawing, 0 issues with almost double the size without having to spend 10x the budget on a overpriced Jewlifornia Wacom.

hi anons i need a bit of help, i have a wacom one just to draw sometimes, but this week its pen stopped working if i open youtube, spotfiy or windows media player, the moment i close those apps it works again. i looked everywhere and havent found a solution nor anyone with a similar issue

>>6725600
>that art
>that inability to draw
>thinking they know quality or not

uhh
lol

lmao, even

>>6725652
>lol bro your storyboarding studies are ugly
thanks, they aren't supposed to look good.
You didn't even touch your Jewcom to draw this entire day, admit it.

>>6719617
What's a good beginner drawing tablet and stylus? my budget is 80 bucks

What's the difference between a screenless and screen-ful drawing tablet

>>6720062
>implying that Wacom, an actually legit market leader with quality products, is comparable to fucking shit apple

What's the difference between pen pressure? Should I get a 8192 pen pressure Huion or a 1000-4xxx pen pressure Wacom?

What's the difference between pen pressure? Should I get a 1xxx-4xxx pen pressure Wacom or save up for a 8192 pen pressure one?

>>6725765
It's mainly how much pressure you need for the pen nib to register, I never noticed much different if any, I don't know honestly. The ProPen2 with the 8192 levels might just need an hair weight for the pen to register an input.

Does anyone know why my One by Wacom tablet draw ellipses instead of circles when I drawn on it? Any great videos about it to solve the issue? also, is it normal for the pc to restart when i change the setting for the tablet?

>>6719080
who's the schizo and what is he schizo about?

>>6725954
Set Mapping to Force Proportions.

>>6725954
Wacom tablets are 16:10 aspect ratio. Your monitor is probably 16:9, so if you draw a perfect circle it will be an ellipse. You can enable the force proportions settings in the Wacom settings to limit the tablet to the aspect ratio of your monitor. Only downside is that you lose some of the active area of your tablet.

>>6725954
tablet active area/screen area aspect ratios diff
>s it normal for the pc to restart when i change the setting for the tablet?
on my machine restart is needed only when i (un)install the wacum driver, settings changes work immediately

should i get an ipad or a better pc(running on an intel graphic card+4gb of ram laptop rn)

>>6725986
the local schizo keeps making these threads usually while shilling for wacom shit without any monetary compensation and if you dare to disagree with him he will call you poor

>>6726303
i forgot he will also call you a chink constantly while pretending like wacom isn't manufacturing their shit in china as well

>>6726285
>Wacom tablets are 16:10 aspect ratio
ackhuyally modern intuos pro m and l have somewhat different ratios, about 1.51 and 1.44 respectively

>>6725665
>my drawings look like beginner horse shit
>...on LE PURPOSE

/beg/inners say the funniest shit when they're out of their containment board lmao

>>6726391
I'm not even him, but show me a professional artist with clean looking storyboards. They're all fuck ugly and just show the rough draft of what goes where.

>>6726302
Are you drawing for fun or profit and what’s your workflow? One is portable the other is about productivity, both are investments. If you are just starting out, they are tools not toys so buy accordingly.

>>6725649
sounds like DRM protection to me. try to install normal web browser like vivaldi and normal media player like classical media player or VLC which dont have build in DRM

>>6725687
see >>6723796

>>6725693
screenless are 200 to 1000€ cheaper, dont get scratches as easily, protect your spine and wrist by superior ergonomics and allow you to draw on as big monitor as your budget or physical size of room allows. oh and they also dont lock you into specific app / operating system. you can hook them up into virtually anything with usb port and it will just work. pc, apple, android phone, any system really.

tablets with screen allow you to draw outside of your art basement.

>>6725765
the "difference" is the bigger number the better. bigger number means more sensitive. hard example: people who draw with mouse have 2 levels of sensitivity: the click is either ON or OFF. if they had 3 levels then they could naturally produce 2 types of line.

>>6726302
pc is more versatile, apple is more streamlined. cant really advise with so little info.

also getting new pc might not even directly improve performance of your drawing app: some of them are very poorly designed so they dont even utilize GPU acceleration or multi core CPUs. Bigger RAM is mostly tied to being able to draw on bigger canvas.

>>6726416
can you explain a bit more about workflow

i mostly just draw sketches(picrel), but i do want to get better at it. ive been drawing for quite some time.

>>6726424
what infos can i add to help me make a better choice?

>>6726434
for iPad:
>tech illiterate
>very rich
>drawing outside
>not embarrased in front of other tech illiterates

If you arent one of these then go for pc/notebook + some screenless tablet

side note: i have read that clip studio paint doesnt have multi core support even in year 2023 so if you use that it can still lag just like it did on your old pc because japan cannot into coding. this info might be false cause i dont use cps myself so i never bothered to look deeper into it. but if you use apps like krita or corel then getting new pc will 100% improve your experience in terms of reduced lag.

>>6726555
i do use krita, thank you for the tldr

>>6726404
Not schizo anon, but why did he show a storyboard sketch instead of a real drawing to highlight the quality of his tablet? Makes no sense

hello dtg
I was advised 3 models has anyone any opnion about those ? they are
XP-PEN Deco pro
HUION KANWAS
Wacom Intuos Pro

>>6726795
I hear bad shit about XP-PEN even more than Huion, and I've had an okay experience with Huion, so maybe skip XP-PEN anything. I don't know what KANWAS (Kamvas?) is, but Intuos Pro isn't a display tablet. Intuos Pro is probably the best of those choices because display tablets are an overpriced meme that encourages poor ergonomics and not for beginners. Other tablets to check out:
Huion H610 Pro V2
One by Wacom
Wacom Intuos (2013)
Wacom Intuos (New Model)
Wacom Intuos Pro (2013)
Huion H610 Pro

>>6725600
Your art is below /beg/ tier so your opinion literally doesn't matter.

For you Wacom haters, today's financial report sales are stagnant and they report a -84% in profit. In other news, expect new Cintiq models before the end of the year into 2024.

>>6721308
don't exercise, just walk and walk in a brisk tempo if you can.
This advice goes to all artbros out there.

egh, my Wacom One X cord is breaking I think. Gotta move it around to keep the screen on. Reminds me of when a phone charger starts to break, not a great sign. It isn't super expensive, but it's annoying. Especially if it turns out that it isn't even the problem, and is the tablet itself.

>>6726303
i like wacom personally but yeah if he's saying it's the only viable option that's retarded. a lot of people have problems with their drivers and they are better than the alternatives but the alternatives have caught up a lot and they're plenty good enough to be viable if you're not ocd like i am about needing the best pen tracking. also something being manufactured in china isn't inherently bad for quality, it depends on the quality standards of the parent company.

>>6727282
>today's financial report
are you just spouting random bullshit?

>>6727492
https://youtu.be/mtu9_oDREu0

Does anyone have experience with XP-Pen's newest releases (Artist Pro 14 Gen 2/Deco Pro Gen 2)? I already own a Wacom Pro but wanted to branch out and see what the other brands have to offer

>>6723796
Clean your fucking keyboard holy shit

>>6727468
wacoms stuff is made in china just like most electronics, you know

>>6726688
maybe because that's what he's working on?

>>6727549
i know, that's what my point was. good and bad electronics come out of china.

>>6727531
unless xp pen added etched glass to their displays, they're still not worth buying over huion's offerings from even like 2-3 years ago. Deco should be fine if you don't want a display tablet.

Not sure when the gen 2 shit came out, but I tried an artist 24 pro last year. Overall it was just okay. screen protector (that will have to be replaced eventually) feels like a worn down elecom on an ipad, my pen absolutely would not calibrate (heard you just need to tighten some screw, but I returned it before trying that so it was about 1mm off center the entire time), and the contrast was too high and unfixable after ~2 hours of fucking with display settings.
If I had to draw with one, assuming the pen could be calibrated, I could live with it. But since huions are about the same price and offer better color and etched glass, I see absolutely no reason to buy one.

I fucking love my huion but ITS BEEN LIKE 3 FUCKING YEARS NOW AND I'M STILL COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS FUCKING JEWISH ASS BRAND AAAAAAAAAAAAGH YOU CANT EVEN FUCKING GET A REPLACEMENT CORD FOR THE KAMVAS 16 WHTA THR FUCK

anyways, I'm so sick I'm honestly considering getting a pad or something now.
Is there any good android tablets for drawing that I could also rig up to connect to my computer so I could use that to draw? or am i fucked forever ? if I have to learn to draw on a mobile application guess I fucking will but that'd have been really nice

>>6728064
Don't use a display tablet (or at least save up for a Wacom Cintiq). Huion's regular tablets have been great from my limited experience. You could try the Wacom Intuos Pro non-display tablet (either the 2013 or recent model) if you want a taste of luxury without paying a ton more for a quality display tablet.

>>6728067
NO, FUCK OFF i used screenless for 3 years and now I've been USING screen for an extra 5 and
MY FUCKING TABLET SCREEN STOPPED WORKING AT ALL so ive been using screenless the past year and i literally fucking hate it. I can't get it accurate like I once could and it's uncomfortable.
it gives me the dexterity of trad but also the ability to fuck around without ruining my paper. yes im autistic, fuck off
I'm poor as fuck, but also I'm willing to splurge on something that will last me forever and I think pads are kinda cringe but I will buy one if it'll get me back to doing art once more.
i hear a mountain of issues ABOUT CINTIQS from reviews all around the internet, and I don't want to fucking spend 3 months of rents on something that will break as fast as my kamvas 16 that I bought in October will as well

>>6728073
Have you looked into other Wacom screen tablets? I hear shit about every screen tablet. At this rate, you might want to try an iPad if you can handle the less capable painting programs.

shit fuck i went /trad/ for a few months and going back to a screenless tablet feels like absolute cbt. not seeing my hand makes everything take 10 times longer and i feel like it undoes every ergonomic advantage of being able to sit straight by fucking up my wrist (ctrl z spamming) and lower body (have to sit longer) instead

Im using an Ipad air 5, should I get a proper drawing screen?

>>6728091
That depends on how satisfied you are with the drawing program. If you want to upgrade to Clip Studio Paint, then go for it. If not, don't bother.

>>6728081
Yes and I'M LITERALLY ASKING FOR IPAD RECCOMENDATIONS.
I'm not fucking buying wacom though

thats the whole point of my post. I'll buy an ipad if I have to in the end, but first I want to know if there's any good android pads for art.
It's like you skipped the entire lower part of my original post

>>6728176
I sometimes forget how legitimately autistic some people on 4chan are

>>6728179
I'm sorry I've just been dicked around for years with my huion ive lost practically all patience and sensibility

>>6728195
>for years
>>6728073
>that I bought in October
I'm very confused.
If you got it in October, contact huion. If it's just a cable, you can buy a replacement if it's not under warranty.

>>6728209
Can you not read either
>I fucking love my huion but ITS BEEN 3 YEARS NOW
3 years of issues
>YOU CANT EVEN GET A REPLACEMENT CORD FOR THE KAMVAS 16
I actually cannot get a replacement cord. Look it up they don't sell them.
>used screenless for 3 years and now I've been USING screen for an extra 5
I've had multiple huion tablets, and the first year on all 3 of my tablets were great, perfect ! But i copied with shitty ways to draw for the last 3.
And my third one went to shit in March.
It's not under warranty and I've contacted huion many times during the years and they've ALWAYS been fucking unhelpful

>>6728221
Well you're an idiot that buys cheap junk, surprise.

If you had brains in your head instead of shit you'd buy a proper Cintiq instead of getting various garbage things but clearly you're also the type of stupid fuck that believes in some sort of boogieman about Wacom so just buy an iPad Pro and then come back and cry when that fucking breaks in your neanderthal hands.

>>6719968
This is exactly what I came to the thread for. Zero BS, just straight up info from a trustworthy autist.

>>6719968
>avoid Huion
>broken tilt
What utility is there to tilt in the first place?
>poor build quality
How so? The tablets and software seem to function reasonably well.
>lackluster pens
This is a legitimate concern, and almost all Huions use the same shitty model of pen.
>struggles to register light pressure
It's hard to contest that.
>horrible customer support
I wouldn't doubt that.
>displays are not calibrated
I'm not entirely sure what that means, but Huions seem to have a strange aspect ratio, and I haven't run into issues with my Huion H610 Pro in regards to screen resolution or travel distance. If you mean screen tablets, then I'm sure anything other than Wacom is going to suck in the art scene. All-in-all, Huions are a great budget option, and these issues don't matter that much (and may even be exaggerated) for beginners. The build quality is good enough for me to have kept the same Huion tablet for about 5 years and not even have to replace the cables (but the pen is terrible).

>>6728221
>I actually cannot get a replacement cord.
https://www.amazon.com/HUION-Cable%EF%BC%8C-Compatible-Kamvas-%EF%BC%8CCB05A/dp/B089GYD4BH
Is this the cable you're looking for?

>>6728481
Nah it's not, it looks like it would be but I used to have a Kamvas 13 and I even tried to see if I could use it, but nope. Doesn't even fit in the hole.

well i'm finally trying a display tablet again. my last was a kamvas 16 and i ordered a kamvas 22 plus today. my problem may have been that 16 inches was too small and i've heard the screen on the 22 plus is one of the best looking of any display tablet on the market. i got an intuos pro large recently but i decided to return it right after ordering the kamvas 22. i liked it but it was really expensive and i can draw the same with my medium that i already had. i actually found that by using the whole active area and drawing lines physically longer, the more often they got wavy and fucked up.

the kamvas 16 i had had pen tech 2 and this new one will have pen tech 3 so i'll see how that feels compared to wacom. the pen tech 2 i used was serviceable but it didn't feel great. it sucks that tilt is broken on huion but it's never been important to how i draw or paint so whatever, i'm not missing out on anything i need.

>>6729000
I got a kamvas 22 plus last year after trying out 3 different tablets. It really is the best bang for your buck. Hope you like it as much as I like mine, anon.

Ditched my Cintiq for a gen 4 Intuos Pro

>>6728275
>struggles to register light pressure
I got upset about that too but you just gotta fuck with the pen pressure settings, then again personally to me it doesn't matter I just drop the flow to 30% or something and there's your light pressure without having to caress the tablet with your stylus

does anyone know what causes this? like 10% of my lines gets ruined up by this glitch
i'm using a wacom pro pen

umm guys? my tablet? I think it's broken? It's chinese but it's not doing anything that it's supposed to do as shown here?
>>6719617

>>6727089
thanks a lot anon ill check

>>6729854
almost like a single review is meaningless or something and wacuck is a fucking retard
makes ya think don't it

Ok bros, give it to me straight. Does tablet size matter? I’ve been using the smallest sized wacom intuos for years now and I’ve always been curious if a bigger tablet would make things more comfortable. Also might want an upgrade sometime when my tablet finally dies, so I’m wondering if I should just stick to the small size or size up?

>>6730581
probably not what you want to hear but the answer is that it depends. if you're more comfortable drawing with your arm then a bigger tablet is probably better. if you're ok with drawing with your hand and wrist then a smaller one is fine.

i don't know how the size compares to other tablets but at least within the intuos pro line, i have heard many times that the medium is the best fit for most people unless you have a specific reason why you need a smaller or bigger tablet. i've heard that a small tablet is efficient for painters for some reason, i don't remember exactly what, something about being able to lay down a lot of brush strokes without needing to put it in lot of movement. for figure drawing and stuff where you are drawing with your arm obviously bigger is better for that because you can make the same kind of movements you'd make on a big sketch pad. i personally draw with my hand and wrist and i have a medium and i think it's great.

if you want to try a bigger size you can just get one from amazon and try it within the return window and if you don't like it even if it works just tell them the drivers are broken and return it.

display tablets are a different matter. if you want something portable you can bring with your phone or laptop 13 to 16 inches is a good size. it works and the smaller they are the more affordable they are but some people like myself find something that small to be too small and claustrophobic. when i had a 16 inch display tablet my face would be glued to it trying to get it as big in my field of view as possible like i was trying to get the same experience as having a bigger one. that didn't work and i just coped with it for a year or so until i realized it wasn't working and i switched to a pen tablet. if it will live on your desk, 22 or 24 inches is probably as big as most people need.

>>6730581
Yes.
16"+ for displays
"Medium" (8x11) for pen tablets.
Smaller than that is shit. Don't use it.

is it normal for drivers to downgrade from an update?

>>6730814
>updating drivers

beginners mistake

once you have working tablet drivers, NEVER TOUCH THE FUCKING THINGS you FUCKING IDIOT

>>6730826
Doing a major OS version update so it will probably get installed whether I want it or not

>>6731220
>Doing a major OS version update
what for?

>>6731344
current version doesn't receive updates anymore

>>6731373
Oh no, not the worthless updates that don't do anything!

I haven't used Amazon in some time. What's up with these vouchers? Is there some catch? Or are they just your typical discount?

If yes then which one of these would be better for the same price?

And how would they compare to the cheaper >>6723415 ?

>>6731489
how much is a 22 plus in wherever the fuck you are?
the voucher is just money off, no catch.

Of the two, I would opt for the pro 20.

>>6731497
actually I'm not sure looking more into it. Both have pros and cons. The pro 20 has a glass screen and side buttons while the 22 has a screen protector, but the 22 has their newest pen and is a little bigger.

Unless it's substantially more, the 22 plus has some noticeable upgrades that are well worth it. Better color gamut, better contrast ratio, better drawing surface, newest pen.

Is getting a tablet as a prebeg a sound idea or should I stick to pencils and scrap paper? Money's not too tight, but I'd still rather avoid completely unnecessary spending.

>>6731528
it's a lot harder to go from tablet to paper than it is to go from paper to tablet.

>>6731535
How hard is it to do both at the same time?

>>6731539
probably a fine option
I don't really find myself ever doing trad art anymore though outside of painting. digital is just so much more convenient.

>>6731497
>>6731521

The Plus is 80€ more expensive.

Hmm...
Is there really such a big difference between pencil versions?
If not then I think that the Pro 20 would be better suited for me.

>>6731373
you tech illiterates say the funniest shit
what’s next, you having antivirus installed? Lmao

>>6731572
considering this is something you'll use for years, do you think you'll really care about the extra 80€ a year from now?
Better pen, better screen, better colors, bigger screen. it's a noticeable upgrade in just about ever meaningful way. The only reason I'd say to get the pro over it is if you absolutely need side buttons

the 22 plus is here. it is pretty nice feeling and looking although i now have to get an under desk sliding tray for my keyboard because i have to reach above and around it to use my keyboard on my desk now and especially with the usb c cable coming out of the right side i don't want to put my hand in that area ever so i don't accidentally bump it hard and break it

>>6731587
I get what you are saying anon, but I intended to buy a 300€ 16 inch one, and then I saw that deal for the 20 Pro.
So going even more expensive is currently not an option for me...

What about buying this one for now and then save up for a proper 4K one?
Anybody have experiences with this brand?
There is probably a catch if it's half the price of the Huion and XP-pen ones.

>>6731632
I've never heard anything one way or the other on ugee. Is buying 2nd hand or refurbished an option? I got my 22 plus for a good chunk off buying a factory refurb.

>>6731577
nice one chang

>>6731729
can you explain this? >>6729854

>>6731632
>>6731705
Ugee is bottom barrel tech in every way. If you've never touched a tablet before and can barely hold a pencil right now sure, you could prolly dick around on one of those for a while.

What is the actual difference between these that I'm missing?
The cheaper one has the newer stylus and makes it seem more appealing, but it's so much cheaper that I assume it's a step down in some way.
So what makes the other one "Pro"?

Usable screen size is 10x6 vs 11x6, but seems worth losing 1" to pay less than half and have a better stylus.
Can you get and use a X3 stylus with that Deco Pro instead?

>>6731993
Nevermind I actually looked on their site and found a comparison tool. Still a bit strange that the only benefits of the Pro seem to be having the wheel, and metal used on parts of the case and it's that much more.

3g vs 12g Initial Activation Force seems way better with the X3 stylus. Guess I'll have to try the cheaper one.

>>6732007
>>6731993
the pro you have in the image is old as fuck which is why it doesn't even have their newer stylus

Thoughts on alternate stylus types like the Staedtler one? Would be using it with my Samsung S7+, but curious if anyone uses them with Wacom One also.
Seems the other best choice is just getting a Wacom One stylus or the Lamy. S Pen is very small and feels off.

>>6732074
Forgot pic

>bought an ipad to upgrade from my shitty screenless tablet
>cant get used to it, miss my screenless tablet every single moment
please tell me im not fucking retarded and I'll end up getting used to it (its been a year already since I made the change....)

I feel so fucking stupid why did I fall for the screen meme.

>>6732514
It's not for everyone, you should probably sell it while it still has decent resale value unless you use it for other things.
Maybe pick up a newer cheap screenless first and see if you use it more. Tech has improved a lot on the newer XP Pen / Huion so you don't have to spend much.

>>6732542
>Tech has improved a lot on the newer XP Pen / Huion
My screenless is a Huion h1060p, should I look for a newer alternative?
If I were to buy a new tablet it would probably be a Wacom. Have they released any good screenless as of lately?

>>6732561
I thought you meant you got rid of it and only have the ipad.
Only look for a new one if you actually have issues with it.
What would make it better for you?

>>6732561
afaik the latest screenless from wacom are intuos pro. i have a medium and i recently tried a large. they're really good if you can afford it, although i wouldn't get a large unless you know that you need one or if you have the money to float, and you buy it from somewhere where it's very easy to return if you don't like it and you know you can make up your mind within the return window. medium is the best fit for most people. if they need a reason for the return like it has to be defective by the way just tell them the drivers are busted, how are they gonna prove that wrong?

also a tip about the bluetooth, if you ever use that make sure there is a clear line of sight between the bluetooth receiver and the tablet. i was having issues with that until i realized it was because i had a monitor between the dongle and the tablet. i put it on a usb extension cord and taped that to the side of my desk so there is a clear line of sight and now it feels as responsive as a wired connection.

>>6732514
you are a little retarded. BUT the biggest advantage of screen tablets is that you can leave your art basement and draw shit outside. you can take it to the beach and draw all hot ladies in a bikiny.

real life references, real life pussy. that is the real advantage.

>>6732684
>drawing digitally outside
You are a real life retard

>>6732684
>you can take it to the beach and draw all hot ladies in a bikiny.
*creepy 4chan user guesses what he thinks people do when they leave their house *

>love drawing in traditional medium
>also love the convenience of all the advantages digital provides
>cant seem to find any device capable of replicating the feeling of traditional drawing
its over?
do I have to concede and transition to digital even if I dont like the feeling, just purely because of the many advantages?

>>6733955
I was the same way, even kept two desks in my office. One for paper and pencil / gouache, and one for computer stuff.

Then I got the Cintiq Pro 27 and I haven't really felt the need to go back to pencil and paper at all, and painting on the device is actually fun again.

Of course the major disadvantage there is the price of the fucking thing but it's the only device that has finally managed to bridge that tactile gap.

>>6733968
I dont have 4k € to piss away.
I wont buy such an expensive piece of equipment unless I was a literal professional illustrator (which, lets be honest, I wont be, considering im already 32 and with a wildly different career and no time to devote to transitioning into a new profession)

>>6733984
Well if you ever get tired of drawing on other tablets and also manage to get to a point in your career where you can save money then there’s a solution to the problem always available. Otherwise personally I’d stick with drawing on pencil and paper if I had to go back to mediocre hardware from a decade ago. It builds up important skills.

>>6733955
Have you tried any of the Wacom(?) paper model tablets?

Boys I've decided. I'll be getting either the Tab S8 or S8+
How much more inferior the S8 LCD screen compared to the S8+ Amoled? I've been using Amoled displays since 2019 so I bet I'd notice the difference if I go back to LCD.

>>6720646
Honestly you can't go wrong with Samsung's EMR pen nowadays. Even the S6 Lite is more than good enough. Tho the 2-in-1 imo is too expensive for spec it gives.

>>6732075
I have this pen. Its freaking amazing compared to the S Pen. Also the eraser feels very natural and instinctive to use for any note taking as well. I have the Wacom One stylus as well. The Norris is much better to hold and use imo.

>>6734184
How is it for drawing? Does the eraser work for art programs you've tried?

>>6734266
Yep. It works for CSP, Medibang, Infinite Painter. I haven't used it very extensively for drawing yet since my main work tablet is on my desktop. The eraser works out of the box for Samsung Notes as well. Just the ergonomics and no accidental side button press alone is very worth the price so the eraser is just a bonus I feel.

Imo the Norris is great for linework and sketches since its nibs are more grippy. The Wacom One pen has more slippery nibs, so it's better (imo) for more repeated strokes. Or you could just use the regular S pen with the slippery nibs instead for coloring.

>>6734287
Thanks. I was looking into possible alternatives since I still haven't tried out an s pen myself and thought the eraser might be fun to have, but read some reviews that this pen might not work on some art programs. Did not know about the nibs feel so I'll keep those in mind.

>>6734287
I ended up getting the Wacom One stylus instead since I saw the Noris sometimes goes on sale for closer to $30.
I'll still probably try one if I catch it on sale, but the S-Pen + Wacom One is enough variety for now. Good to know it still might be worth getting.

>>6733984
>>6733955
wacom makes the intuos pro paper edition which basically lets you draw on paper, and translates whatever you draw to digital.

What tablets have you tried already?

>>6735224
The paper edition is kinda shit since the pen you have to use on it is shit.

I sorely regret buying an Ipad.
Sure being able to draw anywhere is practical as fuck, but the screen is too fucking small for my liking.

Is the Huion Kamvas 22 plus any good?
Is there any better option in the same price range? (500-600 €)

I switched to screenless mode and I'm faster at shading... Haven't tried line art yet

You guys think I could use heavy duty command strips/velcro to stick this cintiq stand to the back of one of my screenless tablets? It should hold the vesa adapter just fine without the screws?

>>6719969
>Electronic devices can break.
Unheard of LMAO.

>>6719617
t. experience with both various chininese screen tablets and wacom ones.
I wouldn't say they are 3 times better, but all that your video shows is true and none of that stuff happens on my Cintiq Pro 24.

The cheap tablets get the job done, but the quality, ergonomics and comfort are all objectively worse.

If you have the money, go for a Wacom. If you don't, get a Chinese one and simply forget about Wacom.

>>6735919
>Is the Huion Kamvas 22 plus any good?
yeah
>Is there any better option in the same price range? (500-600 €)
no

unless you buy 2nd hand

>>6736035
>but all that your video shows is true
?
>>6729854

>ergonomics and comfort
oh you're trolling, nevermind.

Any recommendations for protection from scratches on a tablet?

Anyone have the intuos pro pth 651? How was it?

>>6736243
Display or pen tablet?

>>6736449
>question was posted in DRAWING TABLET GENERAL
>asks display or pen tablet

>>6736471
Nigger do you not know there are 2 types of digital drawing tablets? Display and non display, aka pen tablets?

>>6729839
are you in windows?
try disabling all the windows tablet stuff, except the official drivers from wacom.

>>6736478
don't try to backtrack now. the question was "Display or pen tablet?"
insinuating that the display tablet does NOT have a pen, which would then not make it a drawing tablet.

iPad Pro 2nd Gen 12.9" or Samsung Tab S7+?

>>6736670
this takes the cake for the dumbest post I've ever seen in this general. you're dumber than wacumguzzler.

>>6736670
Were you having a stroke when you typed this?

>don't backtrack now
Projection at its finest.

>>6736449
it depends. get a pen tablet and try it. if you're curious about display tablets later go ahead and get one. you might like it or you might not. it's impossible to predict which one you'll prefer.

>>6737197
Brother, I was asking the guy what kind of tablet he's trying to protect from scratches

NTA but is it that common to protect sacredness tablets from scratches?

>>6737354
We got a lot of Marvs here who draw like their pens are ice picks so…

anybody know about the wear on xencelabs nibs? debating between that and intuos pro m. I like that the xencelabs tablet is actually 16:9 instead of whatever fucking ratio wacom uses (it's not 16:10) so you get more usable active area on the xencelabs one

>120€ for an apple pen

>>6737877
Worth every cent imo.

>>6737884
That's how I feel about the Cintiq Pro 27

>>6737884
Any recommendation for which iPad version? Looking at buying one.

>>6737898
Honestly if youre serious about drawing and painting get the latest Pro with the biggest screen.
I bought an Air 5 and while its great I really wish I went for one with a bigger screen.

>>6737896
If you have money to piss away or make art for a living its fucking stupid not getting the top higher quality stuff.
I simply dont get folks who say 'but X thing is more than enough', sure, but why settle with 'enough' when you can get 'great'

>>6737898
12.9 pro
Latest gen you can afford.

I bought an xppen 24 pro during the sale, it's pretty neat but the cables are way too short for me

Just bought a kamvas 22 plus few weeks ago when it was 120,- off. Working great so far. Suck on my dick, schizo.

oh yeah and just a tip for buying chinese tablets, buy from amazon, not their official sites, even though it might be 20 bucks cheaper. They're a pain in the ass when you want to return some shit.

>>6737898
I beg you to seriously consider if you REALLY need an ipad.
I mean, whats making you consider one as opposed to a regular drawing screen?
Do you really think you'll take advantage of the portability it offers? will you be using it for something else besides drawing?
Dont get me wrong, theyre great drawing tools but in my case I bought one and, in hindsight, I should've bought a wacom or something like that, because I just use it to draw in front of the computer.

>>6737910
Stop samefagging wacumguzzler. At least get paid when you're planning on shilling wacums

Is this a good tablet to get? https://amzn.asia/d/a6K7NlL
It's 40% off.

I used a xp pen 12 for 4 years now and it has scratches and smudges on the screen that won't leave.

>>6737971
That model is almost as old as the one you're currently using lol. If I were you I'd go for the Artist 16 Gen 2 which go for around $250 from where I'm at. This shit is half the price of the same sized tablet I bought back in 2020.

what should i buy this prime day? need a new tablet. old one is starting to fuck up from dropping it like a dumbass.

>>6737898
3rd gen at a minimum. Other than largely irrelevant hardware changes, nothing else has changed since 2018.

>>6737910
A fool and his money are easily parted. You'll draw the exact same drawings with 99% the same experience regardless of which modern tablet you get.
That's the entire point. You're just spending more money for no tangible benefit. You have the same mentality as supreme fags.

>>6739073
>t. /beg/

give it a decade and maybe when you learn how to draw a box in perspective your sense of tactility will have been trained enough to know the difference between your bottom tier UGEE and something that actually makes a mark where you want it :)

should i get this or the wacom one?

https://amzn.asia/d/1UHEITE

I have the old 2018 xp-pen artist 15.6. It still honestly works great but I'm kind of eyeing the new 2nd gen artist 16 for a few reasons:

- USB c to USB c would let me use it with my steam deck with less cable bulk, increasing portability. Theoretically I could just use the one USB c cable and run off the decks battery, but I don't know how fast that would drain it. (This all may sound weird but I use the deck docked as my main PC right now)
- new pen tech has tilt and no parralax, and lower activation force.
- maybe a bit better screen colour?
- more shortcut keys. From 6 > 10

Thoughts?

>>6739094
Lmfao
Right on cue the dipshit that will never post his work posts about his $5000 "tactile feedback" bullshit

>>6739178
>he says without posting his own work

everytime right on cue

What's a good amount of memory for an iPad Pro? is 256gb too much or too little? I plan to just draw it for sketches and maybe some big drawings here and there, just trying to not overbuy with more memory than I need

just bought huion Kamvas PRO 13 how fucked am i?

>>6739242
256 is fine
even 128 is fine and you can cloud old shit later on

>>6739234
Once again, you're the one making the claim you're a great artist.

>>6739268
once again
get a job and you won't have to constantly cope about things you can't afford
pbbbt

>>6737843
>xencelabs
aren't they the same quality as xp-pen and others yet pretentious and overpriced
>you get more usable active area on the xencelabs one
it's not like you need to use your whole monitor when drawing, so you can adjust the screen area without reducing tablet's active area

>>6737910
Is it because you own nothing and are "happy" that you seethe at hobbyists trying to have fun without spending two months worth of income?

Splurging before needing is like those cunts of a father that buy the latest pro tech of "something" then leave it there forever unused as a constant remidner of the utter pathetic failure.

>1.3k€ for an iPad + Pen

>>6739361
worth it if you will actually make use of it
otherwise just get a cintiq pro 16

I've got a Gaomon PD156 Pro and Im pretty happy with it, but prior to that I'd use screenless tablets, so I can't really compare to anything. But I've noticed I rarely see them mentioned anymore, instead, see I XP-Pen or Huion mentioned a lot more. I almost got one of those at the time but the Gaomon seemed better. Would I have been better off with one of the more talked products or are they just familiar names people use when discussing brands?

how hard are you pressing when you draw? Are people really keeping a constant pressure for the whole stroke? Its basically random for me, how are you supposed to hit the same exact psi when tablets have hundreds of degrees of precision? And when I draw towards my body, its thicker than drawing away from my body, just because of the friction and weight of the pen.

>>6739164
Dumb question but do you use shortcut keys a lot?

>>6727531
>Gen 2
Not available to mortals outside of zontent creators yet. Shipping starts in august.

I have a wacom intuos pro but I'm definitely picking up the giga XL deco gen 2. The size alone is the biggest selling point for me

>>6739401
Use your whole arm for certain gestures like long lines, so that the pressure is just swept along and has no time for your brain to try and adjust. Use Sweeping movements that predominantly come from the arm.You don't have to go wild with it, but its a method that works. If it feels awkward and wrong, then you're using your fingers too much and need to practice more until it feels useful.

>>6739524
NTA but no, I haven't used any of the drawing tablet's shortcut keys. I just use my keyboard or a one-handed keyboard which is signficantly more efficient and productive since I already have muscle memory on where the keys are at.

>>6739865
would you recommend a one-handed keyboard for drawing? I don't have much space in my desk.

>>6739524
Yes literally all the time. Mostly because I need to hold the tablet in place while I draw / positioning a keyboard around the tablet is annoying.

>>6739871
you can get a wireless numpad for like $10
or you can buy drawing specific branded ones that are essentially the same thing but with some dials thrown on, and cost much more.

Help me anons, pls pls pls
¿Is it worth it to buy an Ipad Pro m2 (bc hover) or buying a Huion Kamvas 22 plus??
I do trad art, but i plan to go pro with digital in the long term.
The pros of that Huion is the big display, compatibility, ergonomics and the pen yeah!
But also be able to post hd content (ig optimisation) the camera(art gallery and trad art help tool), portability (because every Christmas i go out for 3 months )and the apps. And also exists easycanvas to run my cracked photoshop cc or any other pc program.
You can work well enough with that 12.9 display to go pro?? Just buy the kamvas??

>>6740105
>pros
>huion
>pen
?
>easycanvas
??
>$500 chink tablet vs $1000 apple tablet
???
>Post hd content
????

>>6740105
spanish-speaking anon, I think you have many wrongly mixed ideas about what you want/need.

Whats the diference between a kamvas 16 2021 and a kamvas 16 GS1561? I was gonna get a 2021 but now I'm eyeing the other since I found a store selling it rather cheaper than the 2021

>>6740105
>trannyface artwork
>manicured nails?
This has to be bait.

>>6740105
>bc hover
hover literally doesn't matter at all in the slightest.
Drawing experience, the kamvas absolutely shits on ipad. The only positive ipads offer over dedicated drawing tablets is portability.

For most people that have both, ipads end up only being used for sketching away from their computer.

>>6736979
No reason to go ipad unless you're already invested in apple's walled garden

Are the Wacom Mobile Studios any good or worth the price? Specifically the 13 inch. I remember buying picrel (Cintiq Companion) eons ago on a loan but I sold it off in the end. I found myself an ipad 2019 but it's too cramped for my liking and the gen 1 pencil is kind of terrible even after drawing with it for years. Not familiar with any other portable/standalone alternatives besides the Galaxy Tabs.

>>6740623
The Mobilestudios were released 8 years ago and only received a minor spec bump since. Don’t buy them.

If Wacom ever put out a mobile device that utilized the Pro Pen 3 and their other fancy new junk I’d jump on it but they seem to hate releasing new gear.

>>6740749
>8 years ago
I refuse to believe this. I feel ancient now thinking it was new.
Yeah i'm sort of hoping they'd try to make a mobile device again because I would like full windows on it. If I could have my usual comforts of SAI2 and CSP at the same time portably it would be the dream.

>>6740623
Ironically the only company making mobile tablets specifically designed for drawing is huion.

>>6740759
>>6740755
https://store.huion.com/products/kamvas-studio-16
https://store.huion.com/products/kamvas-studio-24

>non-iPad owners are unironically posting here

>>6740860

Hello /ic/ I have a very autistic problem.
I have Samsung Galaxy Tab S7+ and I really like drawing on it aside from naming layers in CSP because retarded keyboard assist doesn't work half the time and having to worry about battery life and that I cannot just keep it plugged into the outlet 24/7.

I also have a Cintiq 16 which is great but my lines are thinner there and I cannot zoom, cancel last action and move around with my fingers.

How can I make my Cintiq behave more like Galaxy Tab in terms of pressure and how can I cope with navigation and actions, not to rely on a keyboard on the side? Also is Tablet drawing viable at all? Most the artists I see are using PC Tablets.

>>6740868
just get both. what are you, poor?

>>6741285
I think all this time the resident wacom schizo just wants to flex his ""wealth"" by owning a wacum. What a sad piece of artwork this guy is.

Guys, I humbly request your opinion

the only model I have ever used was a Wacom intuos draw and im looking forward to upgrade,

these are the models available on my country within my budget, which one do you recommend the most?

XP-Pen Artist 12 black
Huion Kamvas Pro 12 or Pro 13
Huion 2021 Kamvas 16 (this one stretches my budget the most)
Wacom One DTC133W0A black (most expensive one)

>>6741341
Kamvas 16
12/13 are too small

>>6741586
Thanks for the advice brother

thank you huion, for being better than all of wacunt

>>6741768
nihao zhu-laibeng

>>6742005
new one
>>6742005
for your consideration
>>6742005

>>6741768
wacom is objectively (very slightly) better
huion is just 1/3 the price for what's 99% the same user experience.

>>6742008
Wacom drivers are equally shit to chinese ones, and ironically their customer service is known to be even worse than the big name (huion, xppen) customer service.
Fuck wacom, fuck wacumguzzler.

>>6719071
I have an small screenless Wacom One, is it worth considering upgrading to a Intuos Pro?

What advantage can I get from a bigger size? Mine is super small but there's S, M and L.

>>6742287
>What advantage can I get from a bigger size
Smoother longer strokes as you'd be using your elbow or shoulder.
The possibility of being more gestural when drawing for the same reason.
Other than that, if you're confortable with your current tablet, theres no point in upgrading other than the pro pen 2. (and i dont think the difference is THAT noticeable)

If you just want a good quality tablet, sure go for it. The Intuos Pro is absolutely fantastic. The L is a bit too much for my taste tho.

>>6742291
Yeah I wouldn't go for L as I want to have it on my desk or my shoulder and move it. I wouldn't get the S as it's prob the same size as this one I lready have and honestly the pen prrssure I have is more than enough. My tablet is the cheapest screenless Wacom makes

>>6742297
Go for the Intuos Pro M then, its a great tablet of very high quality.
If you're sure you want a screenless, theres no better choice imo.

>>6742287
Small pen tablets are useless. Like attempting to draw fully rendered illustrations on a fucking note card

>>6742319
or save like 3/4 of the amount and just get whatever xppen/huion offer. I understand display tablets since color accuracy is extremely important, but why do people still shill their non displays?

>>6742297
Meant lap not shoulder thay would b weird

>>6742475
Is the Intuos M enough for shoulder movements?

Question for WACOM PRO PEN 3 USERS: I’ve been using this pen on a cintiq, and the nib will occasionally “catch” inside the pen while drawing, causing this weird scratchy feeling while I’m drawing. It’s incredibly distracting, and I have to rotate the pen to continue to use it comfortable. Happens pretty regularly as I draw.

My question: is this a typical pro pen 3, or does mine have a defect? I’ll order another if it’s a defect, but I need an outside opinion from another user to verify.

Thank you!

>>6741341
16" is the perfect size honestly. 13" is passable.
12" and under are too small.
Unless it's an iPad or Android tablet where 12" is still good because mobile drawing apps are better designed for smaller screens. Desktop drawing apps tend to have all the toolbars visible at all times and that eats up screen space.

>>6726391
Anon the biggest mistake one could make is spending time making good storyboards drawing quality wise.

>>6719071
Fellers is the 11 Inch Ipad Pro a good investment if I want a laptop replacement to draw and work?
I intend to use it for Ilustration, animation, motion graphics, vectors and maybe video editing.

>>6743871
>replacing real operating system with 9999 apps, keyboard, powered from electricity grid with a toy powered from battery and locked down system which doesnt even have blender
this has to be bait.
this cannot be real.

For a Huion kamvas studio 16 do you keep windows ink on or off?

What's the minimum ram a laptop/tablet needs so art programs won't lag?