/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

hows the coomposition

>>6706266
kinda weak
she's pointing upward, almost touching the border, allows the viewers eyes to escape the canvas

I hadn't visited /ic/ in half a year now and it's getting more and more infested. At this point it's just westoid central. I really have no idea how you guys manage to continue posting here.

does anyone know of good japanese youtubers who teach anime style? I only know of hide-channel

I'm not being able to render the folds of the dress
any suggestions on this

First finished original piece since 2022

>>6706368

>>6706368
procrastinatorGOD

Wait, it's all symbol drawing?

>>6706623
always has been

>>6706266
show pantsu

>>6706346
JP:
https://youtube.com/@minimarucomic
https://youtube.com/@akihitoyoshitomi3758
https://youtube.com/@saitonaoki2
https://youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454
https://youtube.com/@-urasawachannel-5463
https://youtube.com/@yakimayuru
https://youtube.com/@hungryclicker
https://youtube.com/@pixivInfo
https://youtube.com/@M_Kamikuro
Not JP but still in the realm of anime:
https://youtube.com/@krenzsartwork5373
https://youtube.com/@CankingSketch
https://youtube.com/@pin2d516
https://youtube.com/@GuiHuaLianPian_Painting
https://youtube.com/@renl2d
https://youtube.com/@Chommang
https://youtube.com/@KEEZOOsketch
https://youtube.com/@CLIPSTUDIOPAINTchannel
https://youtube.com/@mattjabbar
"You can learn from not anime artists too, anon-kun":
https://youtube.com/@marcobucci
https://youtube.com/@ModernDayJames
https://youtube.com/@sinixdesign
https://youtube.com/@JamesGurney
https://youtube.com/@s.michaelhampton9556
https://youtube.com/@DavidFinchartist

>>6706700
I forgot DeepBlizzard-san
https://youtube.com/@deepblizzard

>>6706700
some of these are mere blender/3d tracers, and one or more basically just uses AI. top kek.

>>6706712
If you're talking about the chink one, Canking, his older videos are still really useful lessons and what taught me a lot. I also don't like that he's fucking around with SD but his videos of it are mostly comedic. Who's the 3D tracer one? I don't remember if one of them did use it at one point.

When I copy the poses, I have trouble with proportions and space between the torso and pelvis with some of them.

What would be the best way to get this right? I copy these poses live when he draws them at 0.5 speed, so I don't have a lot of time, I also don't want to pause a lot, or I end up with having draw only 4 or 5 poses in 40-50 minutes.

Doing this still helped me learn a lot though. He has a playlist where you need to do it every day for like 60 days.

https://youtu.be/ZdCZDL9NPwY?list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9v

>>6706742
Always measure. Use a line to help guide you if possible. You can make the legs long stylistically but typically the ratio from the head to the hip section is what makes a body feel mostly believable. It's ok if you're having trouble right now and it ends up long when you do the gesture in real time, you can always adjust it afterwards. Just be mindful of it.

Hey anons, ya’ll working on any sketches for fun?

>>6706771
Do you have a link to the source for that page?

>>6706915
bro... its in the filename

>>6706895
fun?

>>6706918
I tried looking it up but my tech illiteracy left me at a loss :(

>>6706922
Yeah. Finding little bits of joy while you progress towards your goals! You’re allowed to enjoy yourself anon.

>>6706915
>>6706923
Here you go, anon!
https://www.mediafire.com/file/xobelbbggq08t2k/

>>6706946
>https://www.mediafire.com/file/xobelbbggq08t2k
Wow thank you very much! How did you find this?

>>6706965
Another thread posted a page so I looked up the book in the archives and thankfully the link still works. It's great! Lots of exercises to do. If you find it intimidating at first I also recommend finding Rinotuna's Dynamic Drawing book, his figures are even more simple and easy to understand, for me anyway.

>>6706977
Thank you very much anon, you rock! :)

>>6706965
This particular one is on e-hentai.org, I'm pretty sure.

>>6706771
thanks anon

Man I've copying for like 3 months and I still can't do my own original work and my copies still look like shit

Should I be copying something else?
I don't even know how to do construction

Am I a lost cause?
Please, just be honest so I can kill myself already

>>6707475
you need to measure more
also try using simpler curves so you don't chicken scratch so much

>>6707475
the fate of bandwagoning into the copy-cult. enjoy
>>6707490
>YOU'RE NOT BELIEVING HARD ENOUGH

>>6707505

>>6707475
That is not bad, just stop caring about it not looking exactly how the artist did it and just try improving your style

>>6707475
I think you'd greatly benefit from "cutting" the overall shape with straight lines just like a sculptor would with a giant piece of clay/marble.

I've drawn a quick overlay on your reference (red) and your copy (blue) and honestly, the "general" proportions are not that off, its the angles/chicken scratches and spatial relationships that ruin the piece. angles & curves are some of the trickiest things to master because a little slip up can make the whole drawing look "weird"

There's no "one-solution-fits-all" but I've found that building the scaffold with straight lines and judging the spatial relationships by eye/refining them with comparative measurement/plumb lines/angles gets me pretty close to the final piece. At least that's the method that I've found that works for me after beating my head against the wall being extremely anal & autistic with my measurements as it looked like a topographic by the time I was ready to draw.

>>6706223
>>6706223
Any good head practice videos? Fuck I can't stand this shit

>>6707547
That's similar to what I do
Is this all even worth it?

How does this translate to me doing my own characters and finally being able to spread my wings?

I've been doing this for 4 months already
I'm starting to feel pretty hopeless

>>6707563
nta but did you check your proportions?
you need to check(overlap layers) and fix
e.g
https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A
otherwise you are wasting a lot of time, you need feedback to improve

>How does this translate to me doing my own characters and finally being able to spread my wings?
picrel and https://streamable.com/vzhxk8

>>6707475
>>6707563
Good way to know when to stop is when you feel confident you can copy something without too much resistance. You don't have to have it down to the dot, I'd say you're pretty close already, just some proportion issues. But you really should be more confident with your lines and putting down less strokes, if you don't draw cleanly then measuring's gonna be tough later.

>How does this translate to me doing my own characters and finally being able to spread my wings?
The point of the exercise is to train you to be able to measure reference accurately. You can do that by just drawing too but this aims to drill the concept in so you can skip the part where stuff is wonky and usually takes a long time. It does not mean you can magically start drawing stuff from imagination but now when you have references for use with your personal work you can more accurately measure, break down and apply the information.

>>6707556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz79WTRDFic&list=PLQOGKNmiKFwW25gjN-GgS9NjDMJLPQ7EG&index=6
https://youtu.be/E2r9u5l0Y6k

>>6707566
Thank you!
I hope I can get there with another 100 or so copies

It's getting hard to motivate myself

>>6707567
thank you

>>6707568
Instead of taking forever copying an image the first go, try to be a bit faster and loose with it and finish within a reasonable time. Compare by overlapping, see what's wrong, go back over without tracing. Faster also means to be more efficient with your lines, try not to chicken scratch. If you have to go over a line a few times, do it in longer strokes.
More importantly: Once you get to where it feels natural in theory, don't suddenly flush that information down the toilet thinking you don't need to do it at all anymore. Extend that habit now to references you collect for personal work to start with. You'll find you can do it (mostly) by eye eventually, but don't think that will happen right after you finish either. It's all about mileage.

>>6707577
I do it in 30 minutes though
When I started it used to take me 5/8 hours

Anyone got that video that explains Krenz's perspective lessons? I'm done copying. I can copy something reasonably well pretty quickly. I don't think I can get anymore from copying.

>>6707583
Didn't notice the timer, my bad. That means you've improved. I guess just the line confidence part and a few more copies you need to work on. Good job.

>>6707568
>>6707568
>100 drawings

I don't want to be a Debbie downer anon but it's gonna take a lot more than 100 or 500 or what have you, even the seasoned pros still measure their stuff from time to time to make sure that everything is there. Granted, like the other anon said, you'll eventually become less reliant on these tools as they turn into second nature and the mileage piles up.

Art is not a race but a marathon, everyone feels like giving up at certain plateaus because things don't go your way but you have to keep pushing through the mud until it clicks.

Just remember that you're always competing against yourself, don't pay too much attention to the dick measuring contest between yourself and a random dude who has been on the grind for decades, it'll mess you up. You'll always improve by finding the flaws on your own work and working on those weaknesses.

>>6707584
Check the video course general, I think somebody uploaded that course a few years ago, although it doesn't have any English subs AFAIK, or the asg site.

There's also Erik Olson's perspective course from NMA, a lot of people give him shit for being a "slog" or "sleep inducing" but I've found that listening to him repeat the concepts over and over "so they're driven home" as he says certainly helped. You could look into Scott "autism" Robertson's how to draw book too but his explanations can be too technical/advanced since he assumes that you already have some perspective chops under your belt

I struggle a lot drawing hair.
Any resources that could help me catch up? if its something specifically about hair, even better.

left or right for the face
which one do you find more appealing

>>6707792
Right. Great work anon!!

>>6707806
thanks bro!
the face was bothering me so I decided to change

>>6707568
my 5 cents - dont make this process too mindless, you always gotta think. The best learning proccess is theory, practice and analyzing, dont make it just practice. Always check on your stuff mid drawing, think about why is this line/shape there, zoom out and flip canvas to check on the thumbnail to spot something bad. All that saved me a lot of time

>>6707767
The book I posted >>6706946 has a section about hair with some exercises.

>>6707568
bro just learn construction and start drawing instead of this asinine copy shit. it doesn't work.

>>6708106
It's a mix of both desu. You make a proactive effort to understand the concept you're studying. Then you repeat the concept until it's ingrained.

>>6708106
>just learn construction
beg trap lol
you should've decent obsevation skills before leaning perspective/construction(no, you dont need to become a printmachine)
https://streamable.com/vzhxk8

>>6707556
Minimaru Comic has an anatomy for beginners series, including the head.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMzSsN13py1hIz1Q-s49LWF-IkKna9Swv

>>6708111
do you think construction is a concept completely orthogonal to looking at whatever you're drawing? you do both at the same time, but observation can only aid construction, it can never replace it, unless your only goal for being an artist is creating pencil drawings that people on reddit will upvote because "it looks just like a photograph!"
if you're just copying lines you're not gonna learn shit if you don't try to understand the forms they're describing.

>>6708111
interesting video, full video link?

>>6708111
You don't need to be pro at perspective to do construction... all you need is to have some grasp at how forms are like in 3D space.

>>6708143
Its been spelled out many times already, the point of the exercise is not to replace construction. Turning forms in perspective is literally the first lesson. It's to train people that don't innately have the ability to measure and proportion to prepare them for being able to study references bettet afterwards. If people genuinely expect that aftet doing these accuracy exercises alone will make them start drawing good then that's their fault for not understanding the entire rest of the method.
By all means, you /can/ do both but this makes the concept stick into people's heads that need it.

>>6708158
Sorry for the typos, phoneposting sucks. Anyway the order is:
>Accuracy exercise (basically sight measuring and proportion checking, no you still can't draw)
>Turning primitives in perspective (cubes, forms)
>Fundamentals (human anatomy etc.)
He's not teaching anything new or anything different from other instructors, the demystifying part is just getting that accuracy honed earlier so you do less guesswork down the line. None of these lessons by themselves make you a good artist suddenly but understanding why is important.

>>6708111
seconding this >>6708149
that chink guy sounds like he knows his shit

>>6708149
>>6708167
it's in the OP

>>6708143
>you do both at the same time
just learn 2 fundies at the same time LOL

copytards are still dying on their hill, kek
not a single work posted, only a vast wasteland filled with clueless, increasingly apathetic /beg/s and their worthless 'studies'
nothing original
nothing finished
nothing understood
just reams and reams of copying like an NPC atelierfaggot.
this is your fate. this is what you choose. there is no turning back.

ok discount bane

>>6708246
pyw

Anyway, I wanna ask if Minimaru Comic's notes that are available in his membership have been shared before? If not I can buy it tomorrow and share it here. It's diagrams from his lessons and streams but without the overlays.

>>6708271
He's been my favorite teacher and I didn't know about this. Interesting.

>>6708278
If you wanna buy it and support him it's unlockable in the $5 tier of his membership. Otherwise i'm getting it tomorrow when no one else pops up with a link or anything.

>>6707475
Copy more anime

>>6708326
>YOU'RE NOT BELIEVING HARD ENOUGH, YOU HAVE NO FAITH
a fucking suicide cult

>>6708246
>atelier faggot

Anon, don't think that you're gonna sound smart by tossing that word around like as if you owned the average person who posts here. The only thing I can give you is that ateliers work with sight size, which is pretty much what the average copy looks like, but beyond that, the atelier students develop a sound foundation to do academic drawings.
Granted, the issue with sight size is that you'll always be bound to the vantage point you take to draw from the model since they can't make usage of comparative measurement due to the lack of training.

I think the general would benefit from watching this clip from Glen Orbik's class, he mentions how the famous "wall hangers" that many brick and mortar schools use serve an actual purpose beyond demonstrating the skill of their students, but act as a "cheat sheet" that you can steal from (I. E. If you're having trouble trying to draw legs/render hair or whatever, you can copy their drawing to assimilate how they've solved it.) which is the whole point of copying/doing master studies.

https://youtu.be/JRhEMN_wPQA

>Inb4 anon, I want to draw anime, not real people

It's the same concept, copies are meant to teach you a specific thing/subject that you're struggling with. Always make some time to work on your construction/perspective/rendering work.

>>6708360
>Glen Orbik
Missed the opportunity to study with him, quite sad about that still.

Should I learn fundies or go straight to copying

I'm conflicted. If I look at my art sometimes it looks like anime, but if I linger it stops looking like anime. Sometimes it's the opposite. Am I just being overly critical? Or should I really study more weeb shit to tune the style?

>>6708682
Anime just means stylization. If you want your stuff to look more anime then, yeah, studying weeb stuff is how you'll get the look. Though they do have some trademarks like the eyes. You're kind of there with the irises but you should learn how to draw eyes first and then learn how anime simplifies it down to the shapes they do.

>>6708949
Another example. Within anime itself there's also lots of variations, but you start seeing some patterns since everyone in some way is influenced by one another.

>>6708668
copying

How do you guys get consistent with faces? I can never do a full turn around of a characters body proportion or face right most of the time

>>6709119
consistent drawing ofc

>>6709119
this looks like my sketch pages as a kid and i can draw decently now so you're on the right track

Bad reference sketch before bed

a sketch of ruby, I think I'm getting the headshape better now, also getting the hair be loose is a lot harder than I thought

>forehead at 3/4 angle is almost always covered by fringe/bangs
>looks weird as shit when it's not
Anyone got a resource on this one very specific problem

Made this in about 2 1/2 hours.
What keeps this from looking like an actual anime screenshot?

sorry for maybe dumb question, but how much would you guys suggest I study drawing anime per day if I wanna be good at it in two years? Im not starting from zero but I am not great right now. I have a lot of free time right now and have 2-3 years to try and make it. Im taking an art course for fundies that takes up 2-4 hours a day, depending on the lesson, so it would be on top of that. thanks anons

>>6709229
it looks weird because the head is fuckhuge

>>6709240
Yes but how fix? Sometimes anime characters have their hair tied back right? I can't think of any examples but I'm sure there's some. I think it looks more normal for a man to have his forehead visible but it's always weird with the females

>>6709229
Is it your own drawings that look weird or does this look weird to you too? If it's the first problem post your art and maybe the thread can troubleshoot.

>>6709229
>>6709263
If it's the second problem then you should keep looking for an artist who can draw foreheads the way you like.

>>6709244
check Haru from persona 5, basically what can save you is to just search for a good ref
I tried searching but it's always a girl tying up a ponytail with her bangs covering her forehead

>>6709266
Here's a third one for reference.

>>6709263
Left one is weird, right one is ok. It's mainly my own drawings but it's probably from lack of reference. It's not a popular hairstyle compared to bangs and I never really draw it so I don't have the instinct for the shape.
>>6709266
Looks alright
>>6709269
Best looking one for me
>>6709267
Haru's forehead slope is changed slightly by the bit of hair that covers the top hairline area. That's what I was saying though japs don't really like to show the forehead much. Anime isn't adapted to it. Some older styles like from the 90's even have the upper contour of the face shoot off into the void somewhere. The cheek is pronounced, it dips into the eye socket, and then blasts off into some mysterious position behind the bangs. I feel like you're very limited with what face shape you can use for a hairstyle without bangs. You have to get realistic which sucks if you're trying to be stylistic

>>6709299
I agree with you on your forehead assessments so I'd say your forehead meter is working great. All you have to do is get your own drawings to catch up to your eyes.

Learning to draw clothing is an absolute nightmare, I thought I already had it tough with learning the figure and anatomy now I have to integrate clothing into it and my mind is trying to procrastinate and thinking of gaming to get away from it. How did the pros get through it? It is making me feel like I'm ngmi.

>>6709520
Make your own fun. Design clothes you like, draw fashion you like, copy animators and artists you like.

Books:
>Morpho Clothing Folds and Creases Anatomy for Artists
https://e-hentai.org/g/2157856/5221c62b6f/
I actually have another really good book on file but I can't find the link to it right now. Give me a bit.

>>6709541
Ah, I found it! I forgot the title.
https://e-hentai.org/g/2068425/7be49827fe/

>>6709232
For the era that this brings up in my heart, I would say that it lacks a little visual noise. What’s your ref for the vibe you’re going for?

>>6709733
combination of these two, closer to the right though

>>6709263
>>6709266
>>6709269
purest sex

>>6709232
>>6709784

Nice job Anon! These things stand out to me, but honestly your continued study is gonna produce excellent results.

Pixelshit marisafag from last week.
Bought a graphics tablet and after trying couple different brushes I ended up with this ...
... critique pls?

>>6710037
I like it anon. Would be great with a hand.

>>6709967
Thank you so much, this means a lot to me

Is tracing (not mindlessly, but paying attention) a good way to learn some stuff?
I'm not trolling, maybe you'll notice some things, or do I have to copy using measurements only?
I've learned construction, anatomy, and perspective, but now I realize that I HAVE to copy and imitate artworks I like in order to get good

>>6710431
Whatever way makes you understand the style. I used to trace over with construction lines to get a sense for the faces etc. then do a second drawing without tracing and get it as close as I can. For some people measuring helps.

>>6710459
I dug up a couple of good examples an anon shared a while back. I'll dump it.

>>6710468

>>6710469
And here's one I did in the same thread. Not as good back then but you get the idea. I think I can copy a lot better now without guidelines but it still helps either way.

Have any of you produced original content?

>>6710459
>>6710468
>>6710469
>>6710472
thanks

>>6708985
Pyw

>>6710486
No problem! Good luck.

>>6710490
Fuck off, westerner

>>6708668
You need both, anyone saying one or the other is just giving you bad advice. You learn the fundies so you can understand what you are copying.

this is kinda specific but is there a good book or site with references of japanese schools?

>>6710378
Yeah I see that, but I wanted to keep things simple while I try to figure out how to draw anything so it doesn't look utterly pathetic. Though from the barely lukewarm response I'm getting I seem to have a long way to go ..

>>6710659
https://www.city.tsukuba.lg.jp/soshikikarasagasu/kyoikukyokukyoikushisetsuka/gyomuannai/3/1/1/1014898.html
hope this helps

>>6710037
Her shoulders don’t look aligned, her eyebrows could be a bit more symmetrical in shape and her left one is too far off to the side.

>>6711052
Also I just realized that her neck is a bit too thick and could be a tiny bit longer. Overall I like it, very aesthetically pleasing. Reminds me of Satou Kibi’s art style.

How do I hold myself accountable to draw? Thinking of breaking my pc

I hurt myself today

>>6711165
>Memehouse

>>6711158
>Thinking of breaking my pc
You'd better find what makes you tick. Successful artists don't appear tortured.

>>6711052
>>6711053
Thanks a lot, I'll try to pay more attention to those things next time. The other brow looks bad to me too now, should shape it to make more sense perspective wise.
But really glad to hear that stylewise I stumbled on something that works at least a bit, that was sort of the main worry of mine drawing with a tablet for the first time.

>>6711165
The only four you need tbdesu. Up top is printed notes from rinotuna and mdj. Rest should be artbooks from your favorite artists/games/series.

>>6711180
I will say Bridgman's still giving me a hard time though so that's why it's at the bottom. You definitely need some real anatomy diagrams before trying the copy twice method. But i'd like to get really good at anatomy one day while drawing anime stuff as well.

I just downloaded all the Proko content from the /ic/ torrent on /t/

found these for expressions ref

>>6711275

>>6711275
>>6711276
Thanks!

So is the krenz plate the first thing to do or do I have to do something else first? Each box takes ~30 mins to do to make it as accurate as possible as the angles are tough to execute

>>6711343
Yeah, you do it enough to where it's reasonably comfortable and quick without sacrificing accuracy. If you can do it below 30mins i'd say that's pretty great already. It just has to not feel like a chore every time I think more than the time it takes though that's useful too for efficiency. Then you can move on to fundies and studying stuff you like.

>>6710521
Retard

>>6706700
where is hide channel?

>>6711211
Is that how you study the Bridgman book? Copy each twice? Fuck it I’m doing it

>>6711428
I was replying to anon that already mentioned hide channel.
>>6711440
You copy once while referencing and then again from memory. I will warn you though, unless you know a good bit of the muscles you're not really gonna understand what you're copying and why, which is moot. If you want, you can have an anatomy book open along with it to learn which muscles he's drawing and note as you go.

>>6711180
You haven't open and read any of those books. How long are they going to collect dust?

>>6711472
I have and do! That's why they're layed down like that instead of between my other artbooks that I need to pull out.

>>6711478
The spines are in perfect condition.

>>6711491
I don't like laying them flat. I will admit the bridgman book I only opened for the first few pages and gave up because I got frustrated. But I read Force, Framed Ink and Framed Perspective I end to end and pick out pages I need once in a while. Here, i'll post a doodle so you don't think i'm some no draw.

>>6711499
I'm just saying it doesn't seem like you use the material you advocate. They're supposed to be valued like reference books, and I don't see any wear to indicate repeated use. But now it seems like you may have a hoarding problem

>>6711593
I do use them though, I also just don't like dinging up the books I have. I was gonna say that i'm using pdfs and rips of books more lately because they're easier to pull up on my pc or tablet, but I wondered if you were gonna say that it's some excuse. So let's just agree to disagree on how I should be using them. They're still really great books though.

>>6711602
You have hoarding problem, wasting money on things you already have an alternative for

>>6711632
NTA, but for some people you gotta invest in something to really push yourself to do it.

is it normal to have ideas for stuff to draw and constantly drop them
i think i might be burned out a little

>>6711632
Appreciate the advice! I'll keep it in mind next time buying things I can reasonably afford or already owned in the past.
>>6711679
It happens sometimes! Maybe you feel something about the idea is lacking or you're subconsciously scared of continuing. Or burnt out yeah, plain and simple. Take a break for a couple of days or if you're scared of losing a streak, cut down on your drawing time per day to shorter sessions. There are other ways to passively study drawing like reading books, guides or watching tutorials or enjoying something creative. Give your brain time to process all the information you're trying to retain.

>>6711499
Your shit looks nice. You're gonna make it man.

>>6711704
it's been about a month since i've done anything but doodle here and there, though i've still been passively observing stuff and watching drawing videos. hopefully i can get over it soon

>>6706266
I disagree with the first anon. It looks good

>>6711732
You can try pushing it every now and again. Revisit a doodle or rough so it takes the sting off starting from scratch. But honestly if you need a break, you need a break. I've sometimes gone a few months just buried under wips and sketches too, maybe one or two finished pieces. The only thing making me draw right now is doing studies.
You should explore the reason for your burnout in your downtime and try to rule out any factors but still it's good that at least you're still drawing. Do your best anon!
>>6711723
Thanks! Been trying for a long time but i'm hoping for a breakthrough this year.

How many hours a day of my life do I have to give to make fast progress. I am willing to reject... everything

>>6711738
at least 6~8h a day
also have to complete work

Do the "copy Bridgman twice" but with this

>>6706742
Can I do the 60 day course from the starting line?

>>6711784
HOLY FREAKING SHIT ITS THE SECRET RUNE BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR

>>6711784
I like this book but I don't think just copying stuff from it that way would be that helpful. It has a lot of helpful tips/guidelines for stuff though.

complete beginner here that wants to start drawing, what software should I use?

>>6711910
Procreate running on the Apple Silicon M2 inside the Apple iPad Pro 12.9 with the Apple ProMotion Display and the Apple Pencil 2nd Gen

>>6711910
For anime/manga stuff, Clip Studio Paint. If your computer is old, Paint Tool SAI 2.

>>6711343
>>6711349
what are krenz plates?

>>6707792
hey dude you got contacts or twitter that i can follow?

>>6711499
You're the one of the rare persons I see using ArtStudio Pro. For some reason everyone uses Procreate even though it appears inferior in any way.
Cool doodle btw.

>>6711951
>>6706223
>https://youtu.be/dgjx6y6B_G8?t=5184
>Krenz Accuracy Imgs: https://files.catbox.moe/tklkj8.rar
>>6711993
I also have Procreate from a while back, it's not the worst but definitely outdated by this point. I still go back to it once in a while. ArtStudio Pro is nice, I just got it recently after an anon recommended it. I'd be using CSP right now because that's my main program on PC but I really can't get with the cramped workspace on my 10 inch iPad. I wish it had the option for a simpler UI while retaining functionality.

>>6711458
>again from memory
Are you telling me to basically just memorise the entire book?

>>6711996
Not to the letter. But the second time around you open the page, look at the figure, close it, and then reproduce it as best you can and remembering what you learned. Its to drill the concept in you not unlike master copies. You don't have to be 100% accurate or know every inch of anatomy by the end, just enough to where you understand. It's not as easy as it sounds anyway and kind of a crazy method of study, not for everyone and you could be learning from another kind of figure book more to your style. I wouldn't attempt it unless you already know a decent chunk of certain muscles and bones or if you really have the dedication to commit to that path.

>>6712001
*know every inch of anatomy (unless you want to)

>>6712001
Actually, you can look at redline anon attempting it here: >>6701593. And some other anons have chimed in including one progress of completion. You could apply this method to other books you like instead. Up to you. I haven't tried it myself because I only know really simple major muscles but it's there if I really want to pursue it.

Art has always been what made me the happiest, and as of today I still want to create, but I've grown disillusioned in the idea of growing a blog and doing nothing but illustrations. Something is missing but I don't know how to solve it.

Is everyone in this thread training to be an illustrator or do you guys have any other projects in mind? (like games, manga, novels, ...)

Copying from FGO

>>6712025
Construct by myself. Drew from memory.

>>6712022
For me I started wanting to be a bunch of stuff but in the end realized it's all just a form of being an illustrator so that's what i'm aiming for yeah. I did want to get into animation when I was in high school, I just lacked the discipline to commit. If you're bored of just one thing, you can try and dip into another field that's got some overlap. Most artists nowadays have their toe dipped into two or more forms of media, one they're proficient in and one they do supplementary on the job. Illustrator + Mangaka is the most closely related for example. Animator + Illustrator is another one. Think of it as a major/minor like in university.

>>6712022
I have loved anime for 25 years but never serious about drawing.
Heard I can sell my drawing so I trained to be able to sell them. End up love to draw and forget about money.

>>6712022
I suck at everything in my life and art is no exception, I don't know why I even bother and I feel like dying every day.

>>6712029
Yeah I'll see about starting some small project to work on bit by bit as a way to motivate me to draw more I think. Since drawing for the sake of drawing right now doesn't seem to be enough given how my life is like atm. Thank you.
>>6712036
Cute wife anon!
>>6712043
You're not alone with that feeling, though I'm sure overtime you'll be able to see clear improvement. Making crap stuff is part of the process.

>>6708297
Did you get it anon?

hey bros, how effective is this exercise? should i go for it, i wanna get good at observation quickly

>>6708271
>>6712077
Hit a bit of a snag. The upload has already long since expired when I joined, it only stays up for about a week. I would have to wait for him to decide to update and post it again before I could grab it. Dunno when that might be since the last membership post was two months ago. Bummer. Wonder if I can get a refund.

>>6712125
Oh well, i'll leave it and wait a month and see if he posts another compilation.

>>6706700
Forgot the most important artist. Where the fuck is Mark Crilley?

>>6712125
That's a bummer. Based on the wording it does seem like he might eventually refresh it though. I'll keep an eye on it.

>>6711955
sure bro
I have a pixiv account
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/14735673

How did I do senpaitachi?

Trying to find a style

>>6712206
you got $100 at least for that kuro request yes?

>>6712249
Nice work.

Your values are muddy because it seems as though you're thinking of shadows wrong. So you're moving your original midtown just "down" towards black. The original artist actually just moved their midtone towards a more saturated hue. Don't think of "darker" as just closer to black, that's not the case. A color can become darker by moving towards a higher saturation.

In pic rel, I'm actually moving to a darker value even though it doesnt intuitively look feel like that.

>>6712287
Dropped pic

>>6712287
Ah I was aware of that, I colored with black and white + multiply because lazy.

If I wanted her as saturated as the original I would have just sprayed her with an increase saturation layer.

>>6712285
$45
I actually feel bad for this kuro, turned out to be as good as I wanted to deliver
but I got another request of a sketchy character sheet for $60 that was more than I expected

>>6712102
im prolly the only one who did 700+, most people burn out after doing 60-80.
>how effective is this exercise?
if you can do 20-25 EVERYDAY, you will notice a significant improvement after 4-6 days.
when i started 20 took me 4 hrs, now only 3h-3h20m

10/d is a good number
20-25/d is just insane, prepare to burn out

>>6707475
copying is doing u no favors, u dont even know what ur doing here

>>6707475
whos the artist you are copying?

>>6707475
study 3d shapes and proportions, didnt want to leave u hanging on a negative note

>>6712352
20 layers a day sounds harsh, would you mind showing the results of those gains? im rather curious

top left from imagination, rest are studies. I cannot draw boobs at all

>>6707792
Jalterbro? This looks really good man, if you don't mind me asking, how'd you learn how to render/color? I'm a complete noob at it

>>6711499
This is really good anon, how long have you been drawing if you don't mind me asking?

>>6712470
hi bro, my render and colors are kinda bad
but one thing that helped me was the marco bucci course about color and light, you can find it in the video course thread
also, imo rendering in grayscale is easier since you only need to worry about the values and not the colors
I learned a few things about this process by watching this dude's videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVQBeIBZ_PA

is there a way to launch CSP without the shitty launcher?
Or should I just go back to PS/SAI/whatever?

>>6712470
>how long have you been drawing if you don't mind me asking?
Been drawing since I was a kid but i'll be frank that it's mostly been complete ass even up until I was attending college in the hopes of becoming an illustrator. Reality checked at the door and dropped out of several schools and jobs, I still drew but no sense of purpose. It wasn't until i'd say 2019-2020 where I wanted to seriously get better, that's when I started lurking here and collecting resources. So, last 4-5 years or so?
This year my goal is to get huge gains and get as close as I can in quality to my ideal artists like Rinotuna, hungryclicker, kousakus or Lhata4564 so i've been mad grinding anatomy and perspective which is stuff I lacked for so long.
>>6712581
I put the "Clip Studio Paint" exe on my taskbar. It's different from "Clip Studio" which is the launcher and asset store.

>>6712586
>I put the "Clip Studio Paint" exe on my taskbar. It's different from "Clip Studio" which is the launcher and asset store.
I'm so dumb, thank you.

>>6712565
Thank bro! I was just curious on how you colored stuff, I'm clueless when it comes to coloring, so anything helps!
>imo rendering in grayscale is easier since you only need to worry about the values and not the colors
That's genius, no wonder lots of artist color their sketches grey first
Thanks jalter bro, and honestly you helped me a lot when it comes to improving believe it or not

>>6712586
Sorry to gear that happened to you anon, but glad you're doing okay now I think!
You're doing well from what I saw from your drawings, just keep on grinding and especially have fun and you'll get there where you want to be in no time!
If you're still here, what other books that you read/helped you? Was it all the ones you posted in your drawings or was it more? Thank you for answering my questions, it motivates me

>>6712102
How exactly do you do this? I used the one with the black/white square templates but never done the blue shapes method

>>6712206
alright ill keep you bookmarked. Thanks anon.
Do you draw lolis too?

>>6712707
Besides the books I had on my shelf I also have pdfs of the Artist Master Series: Color and Light, Rinotuna's Dynamic Drawing, his Coloso course and recently been doing exercises from this book >>6706946. These are what I ended up trimming down to over the years of leafing through all the reference books I could find in /ic/. I think narrowing it down to one book per fundamental who's teaching style sticks with you is a good approach. Then you can cycle through them more effectively. Appreciate the kind words and good luck to you as well!

>>6707792
shoulders are fucked, the left side is wider than the right (our right, her left)
Chloe's hair is creating a tangent with her neck making it appear way too thin and straight on the right side
Shadows on the hair and body suggest the light is coming from the top left and yet the shadow on the beer foam and the highlights on the glass are painted as if the light was from the right
shadows lack any real contrast in hue variation , value and dont really show the planes of the body well

this request is about design a busty witch succubus

>>6712859
too late bruh, already posted :(

>>6712917
everything looks good but you need to grind some heads anon...

>>6712917
i thought the requests are between jap<>jap only? how did you get the payment? am i leaving money on the table? fuck!!

>>6713228
open requests
receive requests
link paypal acc into pixiv
finish the request
get the money

>>6712565
I'm mixed on this rendering. Is it easy or just naturally messy and confusing.
>>6712917
Top left head with the horns are just bad or unbelievable. But the rest is fine.
>>6712206
Bro, you don't follow me. Don't you remember, i was your only and first ever follower. I feel sad but I'll move on...

>>6713538
wtf bro
post your pixiv and I'll follow you right now

>Okay enough to start redlining my own stuff afterwards
>Can't get it right the first time
Damn, the grind never ends. But at least I can count on fixing it now as long as I pay attention. Clothing really messes things up proportion wise too, i've noticed. Time to ease up on drawing naked people.

>>6712917
>design a busty
>design
I hope you are charging at least 160 bucks

>>6711784
link?

first time studying h-manga instead of random objects, my copy on the right. idk how to draw the feet for now so i didn't add them

>>6713846
Sorry for the wobbly lines i'm on mobile.
1. Draw a center line always to tell if your figures are wonky.
2. Don't avoid drawing the feet even if it's just a simple rectangle without toes. Because it helps you place the legs in a way where you understand the pose. You can always crop the feet out if you wanna post it without but you need them to know how legs work.
Other than that, not bad anon.

>>6713870
Actually I just noticed that you did just crop them, ignore the second thing lol. But anyway nice job. Keep attempting full bodies and you'll be better down the line.

>>6713746
try 100 bucks less, but I'm having a lot of fun doing it, I'd be doing something similar anyway and not getting any money

I am trying to do the copy twice method on clothing, will this help me to understand or is it a waste of time

>>6713980
>copy twice
>copy

>>6713988
How else do I learn? It's not like I can just magic out clothing from imagination.

>>6713991
just copying wont do shit, you need to understand the mechanics on how does it work like drappery, forms, spatial sense and such.

>>6706347
>any suggestions on this
First you cel shade/block in hard shapes, then use a very good blur too with a hint of liquify built-in. Doable in CSP for example.

>>6713980
As long as you're absorbing the lesson on how the folds work then yeah. Maybe twice is too much though, just go straight to applying it to figures from reference or imagination that's not from the book after you're done going through it. Refer back to it when you've forgotten something or if it doesn't look right.

>>6713988
>>6713993
don't listen to this guy
copying improves your ability to memorize the patterns and without copying from what you see art wouldn't exist

lucid

any ideas on where to put the light source? i was thinking on the positions in pic related but im open to ideas, i want to overlay a milky-way/galaxy stars pattern overlay on the purple parts of her suit (since her power is zero gravity and shit)

>>6714401
Personally, either backlit or top down makes me think of space. But either of those you chose would work just fine too, I think the main focus would be the galaxy effect on her suit. Nice art though. I know you didn't ask for a pose critique but the waist and hips are kinda weirding me out a bit.

>>6714419
can you explain exactly whats wrong with those? is her waist too thin?

>>6714426
Sorry for the shaky lines, i'm at work using a note app on my phone. But the waist being thin is fine that's a style choice, but the turn of the hips and butt in relation to the torso is twisting in a bad way, i'd suggest making it more like what I drew over.

>>6714436
Got it, thanks for the feedback i will twist a bit her hips I can kinda see whats the problem, the reason i made it like this is that i wanted to show a bit her ass-cheeks so the drawing can be cute because of her pose and smile on her face but also show some sexyness, Thanks anon!

>>6714332

>>6714401
i would fix this, looks like back sjkull is too large, unless you wanted to draw a wavy hair but it looks odd too

>>6714442
No problem! I think even fixing the pose her butt is still pretty prominent. Good luck with the rest!

>>6714460
the skirt, sleeves tones in the shading are too close with rest

>>6714463
yeah i wanted it to make it wavy and look flufy but i will apply your suggestion, not as much reduction but yeah. thanks :)

>>6714500
the reduction was based on the idea of the skull being too elongated, but your idea if the wavy hair is better for the overal pose, its just the it looks more like i said before, maybe something like this could work as it shows the flow

>>6714533
wtf im having a stroke

>>6714539
did u die?

>>6706368
what's the reference anon, I want to give it a try too

>>6713767
google nigga, you didn't even tried nigger retard

>https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_dyVpw982ONQwEWjFwaWnFkZxHpLfoPK/view?usp=share_link

>>6712102
Where can I get these sheets or forms or whatever?

I'm a master. Get fucking rekted, you permabeg chimps.

>>6715101
>Where can I get these sheets
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
theres no sheets
if you can't create your own squiggles just give up

>>6714481
who is the father

>>6715224
I kneel to your ways master... Please enlighten me...

I ended up trying out AI again now that it's progressed some, and while it's better than it was, it still feels thoroughly meaningless and I cannot understand people who spend so much of their time doing it. Even if I'm to manage to create the best art pieces I personally want to see, it does nothing and has no originality or meaning behind it.
I'm not even sure I'll live long enough to see AI reach a stage where I could find it artistically fulfilling.

>>6712028
looks nice but careful not to draw the mouth too close to the chin like that, especially in males

>>6715482
sperm enemas

>>6706223
So does /asg/ have a copy of this?

>>6711167
what's the problem with memehouse?
it's a pretty decent aid for learning anatomy

>>6715829
no otherwise we would be able to draw

>>6715842
Don't know what his beef is but guy who bought it here, it's fucking amazing and super helpful. I'm actually learning how to properly draw a head.

>draw fotm
>in less than 1 hour over 400 likes and 6k views

holy fuuuuuuuug....

>>6716185
in 1 hour huh? at the rate you're going, you'll reach 7-8k likes and a couple hundred followers, you made it.

>>6716213
i think im back... only 18 new follows tho.

>>6716246
Sucks, but that's how it usually is. so many people follow a fuck load of people and they can't follow new artist they like. You most likely gotten saved on a list or bookmarked. that's what happened with me a lot of times.

Yeah I only follow people who are genuinely into the fandom I like since I hate to see unrelated shit on my feed. If an artist draws a cool fanart I'll like it but I'm not gonna follow unless you plan on drawing more of it even past the popularity peak.

https://sublilim.weebly.com/krenz.html
anyone have the process images .zip?
zippyshare is dead

>>6716298

>>6716298
kind of hard to be a part of a fandom when you are too busy drawing and having a hard time playing games of that source material.

>>6716326
>>/ic/thread/6578845#p6595199

I would like to ask for some advice, I want to change this face to a slightly more anime style, any ideas? I'm not asking you to do it, far from it, but I would like to know more points of view, if there are any.

I am studying male anatomy with musculature and I use Superior Spiderman for his tight suit and for the female I am using Nejire Hado I would like to try to match them in the long term.

Nobody asked me but I wanted to tell it

Anyone knows a good way on how to turn a Drawing with just the base colors to kind of "convert" it into cool/night time colors so it fits on a dark/night background?

>>6716356
thx anon ily

>>6716689
Adjust temperature/tint.

>>6716689
make a hard light blending mode layer, and fill it with dark blue

>>6716742
>>6716745
will try those, thanks anons

>>6716378
Slightly less nose detail
Eyes can still be narrow-ish but consider a bit larger
Make the hair larger

For the rest of the body you can keep things mostly the same

Hi! I have been drawing for a while but I'm still pretty bad (as you can see in the pic). I haven't drawn as much as I would have liked this year so far, but I think I will be able to dedicate more time to it from now on.

Since I've started to draw I've read Keys to Drawing and I have done a bunch of the Draw a Box exercises. I have also gone through the first chapter of Figure Drawing for All It's Worth but I needed a whole year to do so (I probably should go through the whole book and finish it in a shorther time anyways).

My question is, how should I spend my time every week while grinding drawing? Should I just focus on doing fundies books one at a time or should I do 2-3 from different categories (one for anatomy, one for rendering for example) at the same time and try to alternate between them?

I also guess it would be nice to also dedicate a minor amount of time to copy drawings of artists that I like to train style or to just have fun in Drawpileand enjoy myself a bit and avoid burnout, right?

Oh, and one more thing, are the Krenz courses posted on the OP beginner friendly or should I just leave them from later? In the case that they are useful for someone like me, is there an specific order I should follow?

>>6717094
how did i fuck up the screenshot man

>>6716987
Thank you very much I will take it into account.
And I found a certain similarity between that illustration and Loid Forger so I think I could try taking it as a reference for the shape of the skull but with bigger eyes since they are not the same age and I understand that bigger eyes imply youth.

>>6717094
hi anon!

I think you should focus on anatomy and proportions first. You got a good understanding of the basics. Start by doing messy sketches, and using photos as references, hell, if you want to use your fav artist's art as inspiration, just remember to be messy until you're satisfied, it's a good start. Plus, look at youtube videos of speedpaints, tutorials, shorts, etc.

Draw when you're happy and feel happy, don't burn out, that's a big mistake, play music or take breaks. On this topic try to be happy with your work, avoid sadness and having the feeling that you won't progress, it's really hard to ignore, but we all have been there anon.

Copying an artstyle is totally up to you, you could try by taking simple artsyles, and slowly, but surely, adding more details.

On an unrelated note, you could try drawing clothes, and simplify them with simple lines as some animes do, it gives your drawing more personality.

Color, lighting, and shadows are important, you would be surprised how those three completely change a drawing, it's insane. Avoid using overly bright colors like neon! (they're good, but for beginners, neon colors are a mess).

About the day, choose the time that you want, pick a day, and focus on drawing what you're looking to improve (colors, anatomy, proportions, clothing, etc), hell, just drawing for 5 minutes every day is good enough. Just have fun and keep drawing :)

here's a little guide, so you could have an idea, I'm not professional but i hope it helps, see ya anon-sama.

>>6706223
If I do a gesture drawing, I need curves.
If I try to construct, cubes are best.
If I try to do an observational drawing, straight lines are best for simplifying.

All three of these things are totally different instructions, how am I supposed to know which one to use to make a picture?

I wish all hide's videos were translated...

>>6717426
or u could learn another language u lazy bigot

>>6706223
I figured this would be the best place to ask rather than to shit up the board with another question thread.
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
I really like how Shindol draws. The way he does faces and expressions are very animated. I also enjoy the anatomy of his bodies.
I'd like to replicate this as best I can. Not looking to draw pornography, I just genuinely like how he draws things. Would much rather draw in a similar style but closer to SFW.

Any pointers?

>>6717620

More studies...

>>6717826
Oh, and I also almost forgot about this digital study I did.

>>6717826
>>6717834
Bretty cool, how long does it take you to do all that stuff on the first pic?

>>6716185
>>6716246
What character was flavor of the month? Just curious?

>>6717888
Purah

>>6717888
New fgo titty monster
also i went from 30 followers to 400+

>>6717870
Thank you anon.
The eye page 35 to 40 minutes approximately, and the face pages 20 to 25 minutes each one.

>>6717909
How long did you have your account for?

>>6717919
1 month

>>6717826
i like your eyes. they are somewhat lewd and smug.

>>6717319
Thank you for the advice! Will definitely try to do that and post some of my studies next week ^^

>>6717922
Good start, honestly. It took me 3 months to reach 550+, i can see you can reach reaching 1k in another month

>>6717620
>>6717629
Copy scenes from his doujins that aren’t explicitly H. Do that before you copy any standalone artwork. Eventually, I’d just go ahead and start referencing that stuff too once you’ve understood his typical trademarks and patterns to his style.

Also, I’d recommend purchasing one or two of his books that you really like. That’s what I did with a similar artist (eu03, only because I don’t draw digital. So copying from my computer screen was annoying for me).
If you are drawing digital, then I guess you don’t have to do that. But having a physical copy of something would probably help anyway.

>>6717927
Lewd? N-No no anon... maybe you meant cute, right?

Can somebody explain the whole krenz accuracy shape thing? I understand what hes doing in the videos up at the top of this thread, but Ive seen a bunch of people post pictures with more abstract shapes they've been copying. Is there a collection of images for those and a video that explains it? I'm assuming its mostly copying them over and over for accuracy. I work a mindless remote job so I need something to do in-between doodles.

>>6717441
Lmao tf is this

>>6717620
Really like this anon

>>6718228
He's not wrong, you're not entitled to anything. If you're not happy then stick to English content. There's lots of it.

>>6717916
Each face or each page?

I've been doing copies for a while and I've been told I should learn construction

But there's so many ways to do construction I don't know which is the best or "right" one

Should I do Loomis or Hampton or Vilppu or Hide channel?

Should I just imitate what art youtubers do?

Should I just pick a random Anime stylization book and go through that?

It's so confusing and it's the main reason why it's been taking me this long to even BEGIN trying to draw my own thing

I was also told construction is needed for master copies so... I'm pretty fucked

>>6718453
pyw

>>6718464
Like I said I haven't properly dipped my toes into doing original work of my own

I just have a few hundred copies and like two original pieces
(both shit)

I just need help finding out which construction method I should follow to draw semi realistic anime, stuff like ghost in the shell 1995 (godly)

>>6718475
post your studies too

>>6718477
one of my most recent copies

sucks I can only post one image at a time
I don't want to shit up the thread with a gorilaton of copies and boxes in space

help, i can't stop drawing AI

just can't stop

>>6718453
>>6718475
>>6718481
>I don't know which is the best or "right" one
Whether you draw ovals or boxes or cylinders or flat shapes is highly personal, just try them all and stick with the techniques you like.
>Loomis or Hampton or Vilppu or Hide
Doesn't matter pick one and work through it.
>imitate what art youtubers do
You can, you will learn some things from doing this but not everything.
>random Anime stylization book
imo your fundamentals are too weak to understand stylization deeply, but if that's what gets you drawing go for it.
>construction is needed for master copies
observation > construction for master copies, but having knowledge of the underlying structure (like by constructing it) will help you get better results despite weaker observation ability.

For construction, I think you should look at simple 3d forms and perspective first. Don't have to master it just get more comfortable.

>>6718533
Ah! thank you so much!

I was afraid I needed a specific type of construction depending on the level of stylization or the detail of the anatomy (stupid I know)

Thank you! I guess I'll start with Loomis since everyone talks about him

And don't worry I'm not neglecting my fundamentals
I'm going through Krenz notion and doing dynamic sketching and Erik Olson!

>>6718548
>I was afraid I needed a specific type of construction depending on the level of stylization or the detail of the anatomy
I mean, this is a thing that people do. But the construction is there to serve you, go into those details if you need it for the drawing.

>>6715090

please bake tred, I want to drop my stuff

I want to make a VTuber and have started with a sketch, but something is off with her arms and I am having a hard time putting my finger on it. Critique is appreciated!

>>6706223
Here's a study I did since I liked the style. It's not perfect one for one but I guess its good enough. You anons have any tips on trying to understand painting decisions on artists that you study? I did an entire write up for this study on some of my findings but my mind is boggling trying to figure out how this artist came to some of these conclusions and I have no idea how I might be able to apply them to my own work.

>>6718911
You did well I think. How long did that take?

>>6718911
Looks good, but can I see your process?

>>6719095
thanks anon, 20 hours roughly. I'm a slow ass painter and suck shit at coloring
>>6719123
>picrel

>>6719394
grayscale is a meme

>>6719394
Pretty cool, thanks for sharing.

As for your question above,
>my mind is boggling trying to figure out how this artist came to some of these conclusions
all artists have their own process they came up with by experimenting overtime. I don't think it's possible to fully know why they do things unless you'd have access to their entire history as an artist.
In your case what would be good is to attempt an original piece/composition and try to apply what you learned as best as you can. It's not gonna go smooth but that's fine as it'll highlight the holes you need to fill in.

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>>6719453
>>6719453