/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

new sketch - knight captures demon

posted right at the end of the old thread ffs

can I just start from the beginning with a wacom tab instead of pencil and paper if all im intending to do is digital art? already got a free one from a friend

like still learn the fundamentals from whatever source but do it digitally, or is this just somehow fucking up my progress before i even begin

Can you find the perspective?

>>6705663
Very hard unless you have a visual goal in mind.

Do you want to try to draw like someone/a famous artist?

>>6705663
idk how progress would ruin your progress. i started digital but ended up buying a mechanical pencil and now i mostly use that when grinding. just find it more fun since i'm not going to color anyway.

>>6705663
just don't fall into the "gotta find the right brush" trap and avoid brushes with high streamlining when practicing. Biggest issue with starting off on digital is most /begs/ tend to use every feature as a crutch instead of learning how to actually draw.

>>6705669
yooooo thats dope asf. good work man. try to use less soft brush/airbrush when shading and lighting tho. use more hard edges to push those 3d shapes out even more. but other than that nice

>>6705667

I dont have a specific artist in mind, the main goal is more being able to create fantasy style art, i guess like some mtg art

would also like to do anime stuff but that isnt what i want the main focus to be

If it is gonna make a difference then ill just fuckin suck it up and use pencils for a while but if it wont then id rather just start on using the tab right away

still just a complete beginner tho is why im asking

>>6705669
soul

>>6705675

thanks, good knowing i dont have to learn all the features of krita right away and just stick to the basic pencils and brush

>>6705671
I mean that what i see as general advice is you MUST do pencil and paper first and dont touch your tab before you do these exercises on paper but i haven't seen many reasons why yet

>>6705678
>still just a complete beginner tho is why im asking
If you’re drawing stickmans then pen and pencil is better. If you have favourite artists like Miura or something is better, because you can learn how to copy shapes.

>>6705686

So youre saying if I find an artist I like and want to emulate (I do actually really like Miura) then I could just go ahead and start by copying without screwing about with pencil and paper?

>>6705690
I just read your reply above and it says you’re using Krita so I’d actually advice you to go the pen and pencil route because Krita is actually user unfriendly for beginners. The closest thing to drawing Miura inks would be real g-pen on clip studio or hard textured brush on photoshop. If you just want to grind fundamentals- figure study etc then maybe regular pencil tool on Krita be ok.

>>6705691
Nice thanks for the advice, I'm intending to get clip studio at some point once I feel like I've made some progress so ill keep what you said about the g-pen in mind.

>>6705675
heya i'm NTA and a big prebeg, what are "high streamlining" brushes?

>>6705691
what about krita is user-unfriendly? it just works

>>6705700
The workflow it introduces is counter-intuitive to many other art programs. If anon leans in too much on Krita, there’s a high possibility they will struggle when it comes to other programs.

>>6705698
Streamline is a feature on brushes that helps stabilize your lines so that they appear smoother. higher streamline, smoother lines. It's a good feature to help with line art, but very detrimental to actually gaining the muscle memory for drawing/painting. It might be called something else on other art programs, but it's called streamline on procreate.

I want to switch from Krita to Clip Studio, is ver 2.0 good enough with the one time purchase or is their monthly one actually worth getting

>>6705665
What's the point of this exercise? Form and direction make sense even if straight perfect lines don't line up with focal points. This image is fun and the warped impossible geometry adds to the fantasy

>>6705712
Its an urban sketch

I wish I could feel like a BEG. That would be some real progress for me!

>>6705723
what is beg and prebeg?

>>6705665
looks like shit who made that? Way too distorted for my autistic brain

>>6705725
to me, beg is "has drawn their whole life but never practiced deliberately" (and yeah sometimes those people are int), whereas prebeg or true beginners are "has never drawn since kindergarten"

the latter needs to learn the pre-fundamentals-fundamentals, like drawing what they see and how to cultivate a hobby of doing art; whereas the former might need the actual fundamentals like perspective or anatomy, or have weird habits they need to unlearn. basically the difference being one needs to learn stuff from books, and the other needs bulk mileage.

>>6705669
good but your character looks like he is floating and not standing on the ground, lowe rpart of the flame seems to be the problem

>>6705734
The world you are looking for is "amateur". One is a beginner, another is an amateur.

>>6705737
Just a tip for your own sanity, anon - trying to close the gap between /ic/ lingo and broader artworld lingo is a doomed errand

>>6705737
Perma-amateur doesn’t roll off the tongue, though.

Trying to learn how to draw noses.

>>6705708
is there a way to tell what brushes use this? i'm using the free trial of csp and downloaded some brushes on the csp free shop

>>6705743
Try from the side too.

>>6705750
for Csp, it should listed in the brush settings as 'stabilization'. You can adjust it on any brush, and I'd recommend 0%-5% for sketching.

>>6705757
thanks anon!

Should gesture precede construction? Or should I study both side by side?

>>6705770
most books says yes but personally I understood a lot better when I did it the other way around

so much to learn it's overwhelming... i ngmi

It's been so long since I've done anything remotely painterly, so I'm struggling a bit

>>6705734
Sounds needlessly pedantic

>>6705797
Good stuff

>>6705662
raaaaaape

>>6705657
this one as well

>decide to take a break from studying and just draw something
>have idea for a composition
>attempt to lay it the pose in construction
>realize I had no idea how it was supposed to go
>make something up
>realize I have no idea how how to draw on top of the construction
arrogant to think I had escaped the ride

How am I supposed to draw for 6 hours ideally every day if I hit a wall on how to proceed after 2 hours tops? Is that factoring in studying too, not just pure drawing?

>>6705880
rule #1
enjoy drawing

I need to do a dopamine fast, nothing is fun anymore. I have no motivation to do literally anything this is hell.

>>6705892
Nothing has been fun except video games for years. I don't know how to fix this. I'm only forcing myself to do this because I want a hobby with a skill that's meaningful to me. I have fun when I have the base sketched out since linework is easy for me but just getting there is pulling teeth.

>>6705887
crab

>>6705646
I dig the image edit. I'm so honored.

>>6705646
From imagination.
Will I make it?

>>6705880
What do you mean by hit a wall?

You might just need to do your six hours split into 2 hour segments if that works better for you. Honestly though you don't need to be maxing 6 hours every day anyway. Some days it will be more and some it will be less. It's better to get into the habit of just drawing every day imo.

kind of rushed bc i got lazy tryna render.

But here is Miguel O'Hara

>>6705906
Looking good, especially as thumbnail.
>>6705880
Pomodoro
>>6705743
Based on experience, draw more noses. Just one isn’t enough.
>>6705669
Perspective is off, character doesn’t feel grounded.
Other than that good stuff.

>>6705916
I was writing up a response to this but I answered my own question. You're right about the habit thing. Thanks

>>6705922
He is everywhere I’m so tired of him ffs.
Also no fangs.

>>6705915
We will make it anon, even if our faces are a bit wonky. Keep it up.

What's the best way to do reference measurements while drawing digital, so that I improve my perception of proportions? Obviously I don't want to use crutches such as greeds and rulers, because even though I can get pixel perfect measurements, I don't think it will help me improve. I used standard comparative measurements with my pencil, when I drew trad, but it also doesn't work here.
Right now I open the reference, increase canvas witdth x2 and try to draw edges of my reference with pencil on blank canvas on a separate layer. I then move edges to the reference to see how they fit, then ctrl+z to get them back on blank canvas and fix them if they are really off. Is this a good method?
I can get measurements of the edges of the biggest shapes like this, but small measurements requier a lot of tweaking.

>>6705949
>greeds
Grids. I don't know why the fuck I typed it like this

>>6705945
I was being more stylistic than usual with the faces so I’m aware they’re wonky. But I hope they at least have shape appeal
Might as well share heads I put some effort on for feedback

>>6705949
What helped me most is make references from the drawing. So measure the distance between the hairline to the tip of the nose and that becomes mt frame of reference.

>>6705952
These are pretty great too, good job anon. Still, faces are extremely hard to nail so it's all about accuracy, you miss one millimiter in a key area and everything looks slightly off. Keep it up, you're doing great. I'm in a loop of copying refs, practicing from imagination and studying Loomis, hopefully that will pay off with enough mileage.

>>6705926
here. fangs. just for you. its your month anyways.

>>6705954
This is comparative measurements that I'd do with pencil, but how do you measure it on screen? What do you use exactly to measure the distance?

>>6705755
>>6705923
one from the side coming up.

>>6705949
>the best way to do reference measurements while drawing digital
https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A
https://youtu.be/dgjx6y6B_G8 (CC)

I finally picked a book to follow without worrying if it's the 'right one'. Vilppu's sketches are deceptively simple in appearance (the first few pages at least), but getting them to look right is actually kind of hard.
Here's my first figures.

>>6705797
Very kawaii

>>6706013
ive recommended Vilppu a lot, so I feel obligated to help you a bit.

First of all, I'm really glad you're studying Vilppu. Big gains await you. The most important thing I can tell you is to actually spend time doing those simple form exercises. I want you to draw circles for 3 hours, then bean shapes for another 3 hours. Do them for more hours if you can. It's a simple arm training exercise, just put on music and grind. Get those curves down in one stroke, with no underlying construction. Slowly turn them, and draw them from as many angles as you can. Being able to do them easily and quickly is what largely contributes to the "simple but deceptive" appearance of Vilppu's drawings.

Second, you should copy Vilppu's drawings, and art from artists you admire. Go on Twitter and download a whole folder of an artist's work that you like, and copy it through. Copy through Vilppu's drawings, and whole Bridgman books. This helps you apply the simple form skills to real drawings, and teach you something about anatomy and form.

Thirdly, make sure you go through the book at a brisk pace. One or two weeks per chapter. After that, go back to the beginning and do the book again. The later chapters inform the earlier chapters.

Fourthly, make sure you draw from imagination and have fun ;). If you're having trouble with imagination drawing, go to a coffeeshop or library and draw the people you see there. You'll be forced to only glance at them for a second, then construct their general appearance from memory. It'll really force the same skills you'd use for imagination drawing

Good luck!

Is there a collection of these kind of exercises for beginners?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GWzvpbRnAQ

>>6705665
i noticed you can align the middle part of the road with the wall on the left, idk besides that

>>6705665
pretty neat its a bit like curve perspective

>>6705665
Is it trad of digital? Is it possible to have these watercolor effect in digital?

What's a good drawing app for android? I tried googling it and every site gives a different answer.

>>6706102
I used Infinite painter on my note 4(rip) years ago, probably still good.

>>6706102
Krita? CSP? There's a Chinese Procreate clone, but I can't remember the name.

>>6706084
Yeah. Kyle Webster has brushes that get that result. a little tutorial he made to go with them explains how.

>>6706084
Traditional

>>6706102
hipaint is a procreate clone or infinite painter

>>6705817
Try to draw your idea anyway even if it messes up or it's unfinished. Then you'll have something to refer back to once you learn more.

Any other hide chads here? It's hard copying his poses but it helps a lot in burning in proportions and perspective

>>6706071
My head hurts boyo

Does my phone's screen need to support pressure sensivity for stylus or do styluses with pressure sensivity exist?

Thought it was cute, she didn't like it

Would full Loomis course be enough to start drawing?

lore accurate Spider-man 2099

Anyone have good tips for sweat/wet surfaces? For example, should I focus more on rendering, highlights, etc. I used refs and a random deviantart tutorial for this one.

>>6706291
where is her chin

>>6706301
Dosent have one bozo

>>6706306
looks like my grandma when she takes out her fake teeth sorry kek

anyone got any good guides for limbs? trying to learn how to do the arms and legs

>>6706341
Can u make her be my wife

more praccc w/digital

I haven't drawn in a week

>>6706392
i cum

>>6706341
I feel like she'd make fun of my small pp

>>6706354
she'd be a terrible wife, she spends her days playing MVC3 and watching old movies

Mine and some buddies OCs. Plus ramen guy

i really like all of the art you guys post in here :D

>>6706044
check out https://drawabox.com/ its free and vry nice

>>6706468
Kek

I've been taking a try at vector art since I've been doing trad a bit and don't have a tablet.
How is it? Is it awful? Is it soulless? Is it the best drawing in the world because it made you cum everywhere and you can't stop?

>>6705646
I've sort of been stagnating for a while now how do I improve?

>>6706500
David Finch Frazetta study stream:
https://youtu.be/ZqJ2h4Jw5nU

Basically, find artists you like, and copy them. This works for beginners and pros alike

Drawn from reference but after having a basic understanding of anatomy I think the drawing came out a lot better that what I could do before.

>>6706506
gmi

>>6706506
Based

>>6705997
Cool, thanks, anon

I tried drawing a Veemo.

>>6706084
Bros I cured myself of depression I just did an all nigther and all of the sudden have all the motivation and creativity I seeked! It all just comes flowing out what is this magic?

>>6706506
Nice. Where did you learn anatomy from how long did you study it?

>>6706572
Flip your canvas.

hello beg. ellipses. the hardest shape ever. hate them

>>6706506
i kneel
>>6706500
pick up new art book?
>>6706487
it is very innacurate and drawing booba without nipples which shows how perky they are is anti-coomer strategy
>>6706463
super flat and eyes are in middle of skull. pick up keys to drawing
>>6706392
why didnt you properly separate ass from legs? gotta imply where the cheeks are and how round they are for maximum coom gains
>>6706341
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52684297-morpho
>>6706269
the blue/red clash on his shoulder is destroying form. i think its supposed to be pattern of his gay uniform but as drawer you need to make sure forms are good first, patterns be dammned. like this it looks like its his back and that is bad
>>6706238
loomis is for advanced high begs teaching construction. first and foremost level up your eyes by doing keys to drawing or similar beg book or you will have really hard shitty time
>>6706224
get regular screenless tablet. they go for very cheap (xppen is good brand for poor people), you can connect them even to your shitty phone and as bonus they wont give you carpal tunner nor they will explode your spine. you dont want to "draw" on your tiny ass screen of chink phone. aim for tablet of size A4 or bigger
>>6705966
you can literally apply any sighting method with stylus on screen just as you would do with pencil in real life. or you know: screenshot, ctrl v, set opacity to 50% and align it
>>6705952
eyes are in middle of skull, not 3/4
>>6705906
i kneel
>>6705892
sounds like you grew up. RIP
>>6705817
you forgot to pyw
>>6705797
cute
>>6705770
if you construct figure, pyw it and anons will tell you its stiff or souless or traced or wrong then you need gesture. if nobody will accuse you of these things then you dont need gesture
>>6705669
pillow shading, flame is breaking the picture
>>6705663
sure, trad or digital its the same shit until you start coloring. pick up keys to drawing and dont overuse UNDO.

Been drawing for 5-8 years by now and feeling kind of hopeless.

I've improved a lot and feel like I've been making major strides in my work, and others have been able to tell as well. However, I feel like I've just been endlessly exploring art techniques and topics, and haven't settled on an art style or work flow.

Nowadays I can't tell if I'm supposed to keep taking in new inspirations and learn from other artists, or stop comparing myself and focus on my own improvement. The only reason I even compare myself is just to reach the same level as professionals.

Anyone got advice for this? I still enjoy art, but it feels so dreadful to doubt myself all the time.

>>6706656
Have a concrete goal in mind. What are your plans with art moving forward? Is there an artist you admire or you'd like to mold their style into your own work? A project you'd like to do? Are you planning on breaking into a particular industry? "Reach the same level as pros" gets more vague the closer you get towards it and now you have to start narrowing down your scope so you know what to work on. Never really stop exercising your fundamentals though, because you can always improve your art no matter what. That's the self-improvement part, but if you think you're plateauing then you must be drawing enough to be able to do both that and do style studies. But again having a goal helps.

Feeling overwhelmed with drawing the crown. So much possible detail and small stuff that could be added. Any advice for going forward with the upper half?

>>6705646

>>6706441
As long as I can free use her I'm perfectly fine

>>6706614
I like be my art fren post disc

>>6706629
>like this it looks like its his back and that is bad

im ngl your gonna have to rephrase that setence cause it is unreadable.

>>6706780
He means, we're supposed to be seeing the characters shoulder, but the coloration makes it look like the red is his entire shoulder and the blue is a giant bulging back coming off of it.

quick sketch

>>6705646
I read somewhere once that it takes '10 years to master a skill'
I'm about to be 30 and have never drawn anything beyond a stick figure or silly little smiley face. I figure in 10 years I'll be 40 anyway, might as well pursue something I find fun and interesting.

I just got into a 2 year digital art course with my dinky iPad Pro.

I'm gonna try and make it, bros. I wanna draw some cool shit that's been floating in my head since forever, I'm going to try and capture my imagination's wonder and put it onto the paper.

>>6706811
Nice poses anon

i always try to draw just for fun but being ngmi always hunts me. how do i cope bros

>>6706827
post again, but this time in english please

>>6706820
Really good mindset anon! I'm also in my 30s and if anything its given me some clarity about just going all in on this when I was busy fretting about it being 'too late' in my 20s. Draw for yourself first and foremost! Be mindful and don't rush.

whats the most effective way to practice observation?

>>6706842
Thanks, fellow boomer. Yeah I've read manga, seen drawing of magnificent art all this time and always thought of my own 'vision' for some pieces, so drawing for myself is definitely the goal.
Like I said before, I want to bring MY imagination to life, so that's a pretty good motivator. The speed of which I learn depends on me of course, whatever happens, happens, but I'll be chugging along.
Good luck bro, don't give up.

>>6706820
Started in January and have made some good progress. Always have a goal in mind and don't get discouraged by all the self-doubt you're probably going to end up having by staring at poor drawings while you're starting out.

Rule #1- You wont improve if you don't draw. Always try to fit some drawing time into your daily routine (I recommend 45 min - 1 hour).

Good luck, bro.

>>6706820
Keep going, anon! Just a word of warning, drawing isn't just one skill, to paraphrase Robert Beverly Dale, it's juggling a lot of skills, and the best way to learn it is to learn each one to the point where you can use it without thinking. The good thing? Art is easy to learn, just hard to master, so 10 years is a good time frame (but you can make it earlier)

>>6706843
You can make it deliberate and do Krenz or Bargue plates. If you want to make it intuitive though, you just fill sketchbooks with life drawings (draw what you see)

>>6706868
wdym by krenz?

>>6706629

you mention Keys to Drawing a lot, do I actually need to read all of it or do I just pay attention to the exercises like the sticky says?

"Only the exercises in these books matter; any pseudoscience or rambling on the author's part can be ignored."

>>6706791
i think your confused. the blue is the back bulging and the red is the shoulder and trapezius muscles.

Why do I need to use pencil and paper first? Can't I just start drawing with a tablet if that's all im gonna do anyway? (while refraining from undoing every shit line and turning off stabilisation or whatever its called)

>>6706827
how do you mess up on the easiest body parts to draw? the collar bone and tits. you def are ngmi

i don't feel very confident when drawing lines. how do i practice the muscle memory so that the lines are more accurate?
also, is overhand grip the one and only grip for large movements, when you can use the tripod grip while being conscious to not chicken scratch? or should i just keep practicing overhand until it is comfortable?
>>6706954
it's not necessary, but it is recommended. one of the reasons i can think of is that you can draw from still life easier because it's easier to take a piece of paper and a pencil and draw on your lap, or in front of a mirror, or sitting in a park, etc.
everything you're being told is just advice, which you can ignore, but probably shouldn't

>>6706962
you use your shoulders for larger movement, the grip shouldn't matter much. For lines I think peter han has a course for that. Try drawing with a pen for a week or so, that might help.

>>6706034
Thanks, man.
>I want you to draw circles for 3 hours, then bean shapes for another 3 hours.
I don't know, I understand repetition is needed, but I'd die of boredom doing that for so long.

>>6706845
AAAAA I'M 28 STOP CALLING PEOPLE IN THEIR 30'S A BOOMER I'M YOUNG I'M STILL YOUNG AAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>6706826
Thanks, anon. Sorry to disappoint, but I mostly post copy studies here. At least poses are more challenging than faces or isolated bodyparts.

>>6706877
It's a teacher that's passed around here from time to time, it's basically Bargue for anime.

I've honed my tech

>>6707031
You(we) are unironically young. 30 isn't even middle aged nowadays considering most folk live to late 80s now. It sounds sorta bleak, but you've got at least 50+ years of 'decent' life in you, provided nothing goes wrong and you take care of your body and mind(physical fitness and mental exercise) so just make sure you don't sit on your ass and eat shit for 16 hours a day and do your drawing studies, you're bueno.

>>6707086
Copium

>>6707031
People in their 30s are "young" the same way people who are 5'11 are "tall." On the internet, you're not, but in reality, you are. Don't take it seriously, it's mostly just 19 year olds who haven't hit their mid twenties yet.

so the only way to get (You's) here is to be /beg/ and/or post coom art. at least thats what im understanding (this is my first time on /ic/)

sorry gonna have to post some art with that

>>6707133
this place is the most vain board on the site

So how do I just stop caring that I can't do this stuff?

Because I can't. Clearly. I'm throwing myself at the sticky, I bought the books, and got the right materials and I don't fucking sit down and draw, it just sits around, and I only ever want to draw when I'm at work or busy with other things. Clearly I'm not going to learn, but I hate that I can't. When I'm away, I WANT to be good at art, because I want to share the stories I have, but I clearly never want to put in the work to be good.

So how do I give up caring? How do I just accept I will never be an artist without killing myself? I don't want to have these wants I don't fulfill, I'd rather be dumb and happy with my shit job than have whatever this itch is.

>>6707140
I got over it by doodling quick and loose, focusing on getting the overall volumes right and doing silhouettes with random details on them

>>6707140
If I knew the answer to this I wouldn't be here. I've been struggling with that same problem for years and just waiting for the magic answer to get me to click. I've noticed that reducing my workload to 30 minutes to an hour a day has made this feel a lot less like a slog.

>>6707140
Have you ever stopped to consider you're going about satisfying that creative urge in a way that doesn't play to your strengths?

>>6707140
Accept that it can be a slow process unless you dedicate entire chunks of your day to it without distraction. No one said it's easy to master. Just that anyone can pick it up if they'd like. But giving up completely is also its own negative extreme. So draw something, even if it's 5 to 10 minutes of an exercise from that book. Maybe it'll click if you keep going, maybe you'll want to do it longer, start getting ideas or enjoying the process. Won't know till you do it consistently.

for a friend

>>6707150
NTA but I have ways of expressing myself that I'm way better at that give me both absolutely zero personal satisfaction and zero engagement. Art is the only way anyone beyond ten people will care about what you make.

>>6707167
No no, I mean. People have natural affinities in art. Some people will be natural draftsman and have an easier time with perspective and lines. Some people are more like painters and have an easier time with colors and shapes. Find what comes easiest to you and make that into your foundation that allows you to tackle the areas that don't come easily. If people are drawn to art, they usually have at least one fundamental that they are naturally good at. If you have more than one, more power to you. Just find your thing, own it, and then grow from there.

Is this a good exercise?
https://youtu.be/_Xu3XwEYClc?list=PLvcw1qzyO5EQeurL6z59vR3zEoXwMGz3A

hey anons. big prebeg here, i want to learn how to draw anatomy. can anyone point me in the right direction towards books/resources for learning the basics of drawing human bodies?

thanks in advance

>>6707223
start with the mannequin since it represent a simplified skeleton, the skeleton doesn't deform so it's what you should base proportions on

>>6706392
I think your good on the poses. It might be time to graduate from drawing nude figures.

>>6707223
First you need to learn proportions before going into anatomy, and then do rough gesture drawings (Basically a stick man with 30 second poses, draw head, line of action, torso, pelvis arms and legs.

Do this until you can draw a rough figure of the human body, something like pic related

https://line-of-action.com/article/gesture-basics-1-line-of-action/

This site is a good source or pose-maniac for quick poses to draw gesture from

>>6707236
that's exactly what i needed to know! i wasn't sure if jumping right into actual anatomy was feasible lol so thank you, i'll start practicing that! appreciate it

>>6707239
Also watch this it has subtitles on yt
https://youtu.be/ZHJWjclAVnI

>>6707158
her face is melting

>>6707158
Friend is lucky.

>>6707080
the man is carrying the water

How to boot? Also any other critique is welcome (i know i got lazy with hands and shirt , but still)

>>6707330
looks like you're viewing one of the boots from different perspectives

>>6707335 #

Ahh makes sense , my tablet is empty , how would you tackle this? My brain just dont know boots appearantl,

>>6707343
I don't know I just use those boxes to align things roughly, I guess that's why they say you should learn drawing boxes

>>6707145
I don’t know what you mean by volumes, and I’m mad because I know I should but I don’t
>>6707146
The problem is an inability to just remember and sticking to do 30 minutes.
>>6707150
I don’t feel like I have any strengths, especially not with drawing.
>>6707156
I will go weeks without drawing a thing, I don’t draw every day and I lose the direction when I forget.

I’m not asking how to feel better about doing art, I’m saying I give up. I’m not functionally capable of learning art, I’ve banged my head against this and it’s not working, so it’s time to stop and quit.

The problem is I- no you know what I’m ready to die now, thanks for talking it out. Goodbye.

So I bought CSP after having used a cracked version of Photoshop which was really buggy. What I noticed immediatly is that CSP is way laggier even though I own a high end PC. What I mean by that is that the line lags more behind than in Photoshop, I also deactivated stabilization son it can't be it. Any tips? Or is this normal and i should just get used to it?

>>6707234
Nah. I feel like I'm actually seeing results.

It's helped my digital game, practicing like this.

Is there any point to learning how to "sight"/measure with a pencil if I'm drawing from references on my computer screen?

>>6707367
Yes, it's the same skill, just employed differently. It trains a lot of useful brain muscles.

I think there's a common misconception that sight measuring is extremely accurate, but it's not - it's for rough proportions and relative measurements.

>>6707357
If I remember correctly, it's something that windows have that makes CSP lags, like an Xbox controller driver or the Xbox Stat, just force stop one of these and try it, if not, then idk, something on the preferences.

>>6707247
thanks anon! i haven't drawn consistently since 5th grade. even tho i'm bad i'm having fun doing these little drills lol

>i lost my 200$ Rotrng pencil and now I have to wait for two weeks before new one arrives and I can draw again.
I just hate it.

>>6707477
based retard

>>6707140
Draw at work, that's what I do

>>6707480
This. I cut my teeth drawing during high school breaks and class downtime. Not that good still, but I've improved quite a bit since then.

Im done with this, ill start a new study tommorow. My tablet is officially empty.
Any critique is helpfull as i started painting like a week ago

Is there anything(apart from the hands being too small) that immediately sticks out that could use improvement, anons?
(Note: The foreground character is a 12 year old girl wearing a 6 foot 1 man's equipment, hence the seemingly much larger body)
Also, any good source for adding life to eyes? I know the method but they always come off as flat and lifeless.

>>6707509

General anatomy, proportions seem off. Maybe try abd find reference points off what lines up with what

Maybe try figure drawing

>>6707494
Not quite sure why she only has four fingers on one hand, or what the doritos behind her mean. It's all flat and indistinct.

>>6707477
richie rich needs his golden quill dipped in emerald ink to draw, nice excuse homo go get a normal pencil and get back to work

>>6707509
The thing that strikes me is how only certain parts of the figures are in shadow when shadows should be cast on their entirety.

where do you all get reference? usually i use pinterest, but its been keeping me in some weird algorithm loop and it gives me the same images over and over

>>6707570
I regularly run through character art threads on /tg/ and other boards when it comes up.
The sticky has links to a TON of references in all sorts of poses, nude and clothed, but I've never drawn any of them.

>>6707570
Google, mostly.

>>6705797
Although a bit rushed, I finished this lil painting thing

>>6706506
fuck that looks cool

>>6706614
what program did you use to make this? I'm looking for screentone effects just like that one but I'm brand new to digital art

took 2 months and 1 day to (somewhat) accurately remember basic muscle placement/names from memory. Obviously the muscle groups don't look good, but I'm ready for the next step of copying bridgeman twice.

I'm getting ready to head to bed, so if anyone gives advice I'll read it in the morning. I spent my evening drawing the pokemon Leafeon stretching.

>>6707755
Tbh good for you, that's a solid foundation, I think the next step to better understanding those forms is simplification so that your brain can begin to understands how to move them through space. Bridgeman will help with that, the whole do it twice meme is essentially just reiterating that you might be copying mindlessly the first time so doing it a second time while actively try to understand what it is you're drawing is where the learning really happens.

>>6706468
FUCK OFF SHILL
FUCK OFF DRAWABOX IS GARBAGE
FUCK YOU

>>6707783
I unironically hate drawabox

>>6706269
bump

Portfolio is almost complete, just one left.

>>6707509
the number one thing that catches my eye is the elbows(and arms) are not the same length or size
a good rule of thumb I use is that the human elbow on a human figure sits juuuust about where the ribcage ends, so in drawings I measure the distance on my sketch layer and use that same distance assuming there's no foreshortening going on. It's not an exact rule but on 90% of people it'll be within 2 inches of that exact point
as for the eyes, I'd have to see your work to really help you. Most emotion in eyes actually is in the area around the eyes, the shape of the eye itself+the eyebrow's general attitude are what sell it IMO

>>6707755
GMI.

what places you go to to draw when you're not drawing at home?

>>6707920
you leave your home?

>>6707926
if it means that my parents can't see me drawing, yes
besides, the weather has been really nice lately

>>6707410
Thanks. Guess I'll reread the Huston chapter and hope it clicks this time.

>>6707931
>>6707926
Posts like this make me remember why I loved art. It really can make you smile.

>> 6707543

The idea was that one of her fingers was wrapped in the cloth, but i didn't know how to communicate that.

The doritos are just random shapes to make the character pop more(should be a complimentary colour to her hair no?)

>>6706738
Okay, let's be great frens
eridhaaaaa#9887
>>6707752
I use krita currently, it has so many screentones

Critique on the shape of the shading? Also I don't know how to go about adding highlights to the skin like on the legs and arms, any advice on that?

>>6707760
check some references of real cats stretching. it's a very dynamic pose, shoving the ass as far up and back as possible, stretching three major points across the body (plus the front legs)

focus most on the ribcage + front legs in ur drawing, resting them on the floor implies a very relaxed pose without any tension on the back. get some form in the shoulders and raise the whole thing up off the ground and forward for the more dynamic shape. also press the toe digits squarely against the floor so the back of the feet would be stretched

~1 hour figure drawing session

WIP

>>6708192
Soul

>>6706071
That's the most comprehensive answer to a perspective-related question I've seen. How does one learn this? (Without software, manually?) Same problem - pic rel.

I want to improve but I'm only good at drawing.
Care to critique?

>>6708235
here without lineart.
I just can't seem to grasp how to use the toold I'm provided with

>>6708232
read one of the perspective books and try drawing the diagrams and homeworks

>>6708235
Pretty great job with the drawing, proportions are probably off compared to ref but it works, values could be a lot better, share the reference if you want a better critique. Keep it up, you're doing great.

>>6708239
I was polishing that turd for the past 4 hours to look similar to this. Didn't trace.

>>6708188
some portraits

I don't even know where to start :(
Neuroleptics have turned my brain fuzzy and I have no earthly idea what I'm supposed to start doing if I want to "git gud"

>>6708237
Much better without the lineart

>>6708243
There's no such thing as studying too much Loomis so go take another quick look at his proportions, eyes should be at the center of the face, your mouth is too distant from the nose, face needs some fine tuning in general but you're on the right track.
As for values these are tricky, diffuse light is very subtle and hard to get right. Look for shapes of values in the reference, e.g. there's a triangle under the right eye (on our left) that doesn't match what you did. Contrast looks a bit too high as well, but again: this setting is tricky. Push and pull until it looks closer to ref. Flip between your study and the reference picture and it should become more clear.

>>6708255
My sudden drop in abilities is just depressing to be honest. I've drawn much better before with correct proportions and measurments, what the hell?
Of course I won't give up, I'll update you guys on progress, I really badly want to be better for one reason or another...
In the meantime, any ideas as to why the sudden drop happened?
Picrel my favored medium, pencills.

>>6708192
The thousand-yard stare

>>6708258
Honestly to me picrel would be a lot easier than the new study you did, we're basically looking at a profile here and 3/4 view is a whole lot harder to get right from my experience. Not to mention that you added colors too instead of sticking to grayscale. Don't push yourself down, I don't think you had a drop in ability or anything. Good luck anon.

complete beginner, started reading "drawing on the right side of the brain". drew nikola tesla from an image (turns out it should've been done from memory) and my hand, as the first two tasks say

>>6708250
what do you want to draw? Copy and study from that until you can make your own.

>>6708284
good luck brother and remember learning how to draw is not a race but a journey

>>6708168
Hey! Thank you for the advice, I only had one reference for the cat, I'll probably have to look for more next time I don't understand anatomy very well, and this was my first time trying to draw a cat

Did a figure study after downloading the books here: >>6705270
Any pointers? My figures always feel so wonky. What should I focus on most?

>>6705731
ngmi

>>6708235
I made some critique. Sorry for the shaky lines.

As >>6708255 said, loomis is great. But you could also benefit from other artists/teachers. Steve Huston does free live drawing sessions on thursdays, you can find them on youtube. He is an amazing teacher.

Michael Hampton also has great stuff related to head drawing and planes. Those videos are on his youtube channel.

You could benefit a lot from simplifying the shapes of the head and learning planes.

Have a nice day.

>>6708308
proportion is the thing you should focus on. The upper part of the draw look okay but it went downhill on the lower half

Just finished this

>>6708313
Thank you!

>>6708312
>Steve Huston does free live drawing sessions on thursdays
NTA but I had no idea about this, thanks for sharing!

>>6705646
Is it any good (or does it at least have good aspects), Any tips and tricks , its kind of messy even after cleaning it up.

some doodles

>>6708287
Sorry for the slow reply, I was watching a neat thunder and lightning storm.
Anywho, I want to draw black and white comics, be they mini-comics or otherwise. I think of Dave Gibbons and imagine myself reaching his skill level, a recent re-read of Watchmen in particular set off the desire to do art.
I also have a desire to draw things like Space Marines from Warhammer, especially since reading Bloodquest, it's super chunky and fun looking.
So generally speaking, stark black and white appeals to me and I want to be able to replicate it, but I don't know where to start so that I can do it for myself.

>keep breaking my pencils
It was over before it even began.

>>6708349
It looks cool as fuck. I wish I could draw stuff like this, nowadays I'm so focused on fundamentals that I don't really feel like drawing just for fun anymore.
I'm not sure about your skill level since I detect some scratchy lines, but this is pretty well done overall. Proportions are solid and even faces look great. The drawing tells a story, the poses are dynamic, the designs are simple but cool. Inspiring. How long have you been drawing for?

>>6708369
The book Framed Ink 1 + 2 is where you want to start if you are going for a comic book look.

>>6708374
Any idea where I can grab it? Or do I need to buy it?

>>6708380
There is an artbook thread here, or just search libgen

>>6708382
Just found it before you replied, thanks though.

I will never be good at art, bros. It's over.

drawing for 3 years, half this thread still mogs me kek

>>6705731
this probably is a 15-20 minute quick sketch with 5-10 minutes of watercolor on top

Spent last evening getting my ass kicked by Loomis. I need to work on actually applying construction after working it out, I keep falling back into flat shapes.

>>6708284
that's a good hand, you're gonna make it

>>6708373
Never officially studied (never had art lessons an things like that) , 5 .5 years every school day for fun during middle and highschool with "HoW tO DrAw AnImE" instructions.
During 6 years of uni i sometimes did and sometimes didnt manage to draw .i looked at other artists and did some dabbling in anatomy
The latest step was proko and some resources from /beg treads .
studying other artists and comparing anatomical bonestructures with their faces.
Trying to figure out why some depictions of people (ugly bastard looking types for example) have a frog like mouth area (facial muscles apparently)
>also what do you asthetically like in media like movies, videogames ecc even irl fashion, what are your interests and hobbies, try incorporating some in your designs and you will have a bit more fun

I do not get to draw too much lately due to a job and other commitments but i at least try and doodle occasionally , while going for slightly more complex stuff when i catch a break.
Im slowly fixing the scratchyness , it is my main flaw (thank god you didnt see my older stuff)
, im also trying to figure out what not to draw but leave to the brain to fill in the gaps (look at some yoji shinkawa mgs coverart and you will prolly get what im talking about)

>>6708192
almost done

All the different methods for gesture, all the different methods for learning how to draw made me confused and burned out and I stopped. What should I do? I just want to draw my manga idea ffs

>>6708504
One-stop learning method from beg to pro, for comic art:

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

I recommend this because people are always too insecure to self study, like you ;)

>>6708504
Pick one and fucking draw

>>6705906
I think youve left intermediate level.

>>6708349
inconsistent perspective in a lot of places. personally adds a janky charm to it but its technically flawed. the girl's sword for instance doesnt make sense, like its drawn squared up to our POV when really it needs a lot of foreshortening to make it look like its extending from her arm

Having trouble deconstructing canti from FLCL there are so many solid figures to consider, I require extensive assistance.

yeah no idea what im doing

>>6708543
Just don't. Please. Can't figure out shit like this.

>>6708549
Huh?

I remember seeing an image on this board that was like an infograph thing that showed all the "dimensions" of art -- like perspective, colour, construction, animation, lighting etc. -- and how difficult they each were. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Drawing mindlessly

>>6708553
Screen pics are fucked on some mobile phones, upload the original

Why do my heads look like shit here?

>>6708617
Accuracy, I have the same problem. Miss the placement of a feature by a couple millimiters on a head and you're fucked, that's how we work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area
In our case we missed by a lot more than a few millimiters. Practice makes perfect, we will make it one day.

>>6708628
this is exactly why I only draw cute anime girls where the nose is just a dot and the mouth greatly simplified. Why would you draw realistic faces anyways? We have cameras for that

>>6708470
over

>>6708633
I like anime girls too but it's not really what got me inspired to make art, so I don't find it rewarding personally. Drawing realistic faces is hard as hell but it motivates me like nothing else even if the results look like shit. The thought of being able to create somewhat realistic characters and make them emote convincingly is what does it for me.

>>6708636
CRIMSON FISTS SPOTTED but shouldn't only one hand be red unless you're 1st Company?

i hope to digitized it

>>6708683
I feel like this rendering makes it look like he has one massive butt cheek invading the second smaller one

>>6708636
Not bad but the fire is a bit weird

>>6706656
start making completed pieces and work on your workflow. one thing to do is pick a subject and then just draw only that for a couple months. this constraint should help with creativity since it forces you to try different things but still keeps you focuses. you can also make gains by getting faster, don't overlook that.

>>6708628
If my heads looked like that I would be happy lol
Also what brush are you using?
>>6708633
Even my anime heads look like shit

>>6708763
>If my heads looked like that I would be happy lol
Thanks for the compliment but believe me you wouldn't, it's still painful as hell. Are you the guy I replied to? If that's the case, I think your overall head proportions look better than mine
>what brush
Just a simple round brush with opacity jitter, I don't think I'll mess with more complicated stuff for a good while. Recently I've been testing the same brush but thinner and slightly tilted, just to see if I can get rid of the round brush look, I have a long way to go though

>>6708825
That is a beautiful crab, wow.

>>6708516
yeah but which one
>>6708506
I don't like that guide isn't there something better that teaches with anime girls speaking to me like I'm a retard?

>>6708825
are you just manually adjusting size? or how do you get size variation

hey anons, i'm >>6707223
i've been drawing stuff like these anons suggested:
>>6707229
>>6707236
>>6707247

should i focus on drawing these for awhile until i feel..comfortable drawing them quickly and easily? is it silly to jump ahead and try and draw realistic looking bodies even though i know every time the anatomy is off lol. it's fun for me to try and get it "right", but i end up spending a long time on each one because i struggle to draw proportions that look the way i want. i guess i'm just asking at what point is it ok to start trying to learn anatomy, and if there's any resources anons would recommend to do so. or if i should continue drawing simple silhouettes for awhile.

sorry that was alot kek

>>6708308
I would focus on figure balance and proportions
and learn the rhythm of the leg curves

>>6708945
Forgot to ask I added size jitter too. I'm on CSP: round brush, hardness 100%, thickness around 160, rotated to the right slightly, size jitter with minimum size 0, opacity jitter but I also adjust the opacity manually.
The pencil brush underneath is just a standard round brush, maybe I had hardness on 50% on that one

>>6708916
>I don't like that guide isn't there something better
your judgement is bad and you don't know what's good for you

>>6708902
Thank you, it would probably look very weird next to the reference picture though

>>6708506
>https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/
Drawing the Marvel Way covers good topics, but it doesn't feel like a resource that actually explains to beginners *how* to learn art. Most of them probably read through the book without getting anything out of it, because nobody's given them guidance on actually practicing (and they don't have an existing habit of studies/practicing - because they're beginners), so they mistake art as being more knowledge-based than motor skills, when in reality it's the opposite and then they wonder why they aren't progressing.

>>6705731
nigger...are you serious

>>6708249
the girl looks very nice

>>6708981
>because nobody's given them guidance on actually practicing
that's why Finch road his blogpost

Quick sketch for today. Too much Diablo got me slackin

tips on drawing/painting this area?
for some reason i struggle to make the eye socket look right and fail to give depth to the area

I started the Loomis book this evening, and I tried doing some of the blooks, I tried making spheres and setting the poles in different positions to understand how to orient things, it's getting late though so I only got through a few, how do they look?

>>6709207
keep drawing, it only gets better from here

>>6705646
Is this pose correct?
I tried using it as reference but I am having the gut feeling that the torso is wrong

>>6709262
I tried to do it a little free style and got this

Can someone give me a quick redline?
I feel like something is still wrong. with my proportions

>>6709264
Gmi, but you're just copying instead of using 3d shapes to construct.
Look how it's done and then apply to something else, reference or imagination.

>>6708312
I will eventually improve, right?

Critique appreciated

I know I've got it in me to have good fundamentals and measurments because I've done it well before, I just went downhill because I've felt bad.
Here's my favorite training sketch so far.

The worst part will be not drawing, but painting

So I want to draw Manga/Anime style people at /asg/ told me to just copy and not study fundies. But the OP says you should not copy recklessly and use construction and fundamental concepts. What is meant by that?

>>6709389
you will do both for next decades so where to start is not important. doing is important. pick either way - what you enjoy more, what you will actually do. And do it for half of a year consistently and then do both,

>>6709191
Not as clear as it was in his videos, look for them here maybe >>6679044
Also, grab a lamp and get in front of a mirror, photos will only take you so far

>>6709191
In his videos he was really stressing the importance of the plane between the inner edge of the eye socket and the nasal bone

>>6709191
Green is the lacrimal bone here, but it basically delimits the inner edge of the eye socket. Hope this helps to see the plane Vilppu was talking about

>redrawing the same hand 20 times
FUCK
why do all "hand references" is some fucking ambigous hand floating in space when hands are used to fucking hold shit and support the body to which there are no fucking references
>>6709369
you completely failed to capture their emotions/expressions, im sorry but you failed

>>6709436
ok then redline it for me could you?

>>6709442
sorry not giving freebies away today

~2 minute figures warmup

>>6709448
very nice. hope to reach your level someday.

>>6709135
That post doesn't do that (because Drawing the Marvel Way doesn't do that).

It's a post more for people who are somewhat established art-wise but lack formal education. Different audience than /ic/'s prebegs.

>>6709364
If your choice is to improve, you will improve.

holy fuck elipses are filtering me hard what the fuck is the secret bros? Is this easier on paper than on digital?

>>6709501
nope, it's hard forever

>>6709501
No, ellipses are just hard.

What they don't tell you when they say "draw from the shoulder" is that it's not, like, magic. Your shoulder doesn't perfectly suit itself to drawing ellipses just because it's a ball-and-socket joint, like you probably imagined from how people draw perfect circles by swinging the whole arm on a chalkboard. Drawing a smooth ellipse requires a concert of muscle and tendon movements, your arm has to move progressively in all four directions in a controlled manner while (at any given moment) keeping the other axes of movement locked in.

My only personal recommendation would be to include practice replicating *particular* ellipses, either made with a tool or from a reference or just sketched out in multiple movements; not exclusively freehanding from imagination (which is all most books prescribe). But that's my recommendation for practicing all basic shapes and forms.

>>6709501
this video helped me idk https://youtu.be/Voyresa2Y1c

>>6709448
some longer ones

>>6709456
Thank you.

>>6709551
hey you seem to know a lot about form, maybe you have any charcoal drawings? Can you post some if so?

Charcoal in my opinion the best for learning from and by, because it's just cruel to the user.

do you see any mistakes here?

Hello beg, do you know how to make book cover?

>>6709501
i havent encountered harder shape than ellipse. now when i am doing the perspective studies and i actually want it to look professional i literally use ellipse tool in the krita and then trace it with hand
>>6709448
good
>>6709389
it is hard to recc anything to people who dont PYW. without pyw i must assume you are prebeg and therefore you need keys to drawing or similar beg book
>>6709369
you made them more smug. i like
>>6709365
it looks like you know what are you doing, you just made his double chin less fat
>>6709262
coom
>>6708825
very nice crab
>>6708683
looks like art and the anon is right, the uni-butt-cheek is spooky
>>6708320
anon where did core shadows of her booba, belly and thighs go?
>>6708284
good luck!
>>6708250
keys to drawing
>>6708235
shadows arent dark enough, push the values harder for better forms
>>6708232
literally pick up any perspective book?
>>6707820
what are you going to use your port for anon?
>>6707494
too flat, very weak drapery
>>6707367
leveling up your observation skill is the most most important fundie of them all. if you cannot see accurately you cannot draw accurately
>>6707223
>prebeg
keys to drawing. in case you arent prebeg you are looking for FIGURE drawing. loomis, villpu, bridgeman, tomfoxdraw and dozen other have books and or courses about it
>>6707214
looks like a little advanced gesture exercise to me, many art teachers swear by it
>>6706954
use whatever you want. it is all the same
>>6706949
i like how some people pretend reading is hard or long. When i am doing book i typically spend 10 minutes reading that couple of pages from chapter and then 3 hours drawing whatever it was about. You are either overestimating the reading or underestimating drawing. And i mention KtD a lot because it is the BEST BEG BOOK
>>6706843
by drawing from observation
>>6706694
observe, notice pattern, simplify pattern, imply the pattern on canvas, repeat until it looks like tree

>>6709629
I only do digital. I like Steve Huston, maybe his stuff would help you. Jeff Watts has some good charcoal stuff too. But the most important part is 100s of hours of practice. Graphite is a bit easier, you could try that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6nXdpj1zI

>>6709632
>double chin less fat
>shadows aren't dark enough
Well , hit the nail on the head, I should fear less about the results and focus more on the measuring and shaping process. Just gotta work out the hand movement by practicing.

I don't have more recent stuff, have a cat instead

Uugh, I don't know why it looks weird when I try to draw the hands. Looking closer in other drawings, they too similarly look weird when I stare at them closely for too long.

>>6709714
>>6709714
>I don't know why it looks weird when I try to draw the hands.
lack of form and overlap

I did this at 2 am with no references stricken by madness
the left one was messed up (ribcage not proportioned right) so I had to redo it but I tried 3/4 instead

>>6709632

>You are either overestimating the reading or underestimating drawing

Probs a bit of both honestly, thanks for the advice. I'm gonna go open up KtD and get started.

>>6709734
traced it with my mouse for clarity
besides looking stiff is the anatomy ok?

>>6709882
what anatomy.

>>6709899
the hand-drawn sketch had most of the construction

>>6709903
my friend do not draw with a mouse

What do I need to improve on for next time?

>>6709632
>keys to drawing
Any details to help me out?

Trying to do the hand task from keys to drawing.
Have I made a little progress or does it just not look as shit because im using a pen brush instead of pencil?

I'm continuing to do Loomis, I realized that i was putting the nose on the eye line like an idiot, after i noticed and fixed it things started looking a little better, still on the early pages of the book though

>>6710012
good progress and application of the tilts.

>>6708953
Just do what makes you draw, I would do both

>>6709734
>>6709882
proportions are all over the place my dude, we could spend several posts detailing and pointing out all the problems but it's easier just to say that you should study human proportions and anatomy

>>6710067
here's a more refined version in pixels

>>6710071
making the tits bigger to cover shitty art is a tried and true strategy i guess

>>6710017
Should I be going through each example he gives and doing them, or should I be moving faster and going to the part where he begins to explain his method for head construction?

>>6710261
>>6710261
new beg
>>6710261

>>6709909
lacks structure

>>6708402
same

>>6708633
>Why would you draw realistic faces anyways
ngmi

>>6709903
well then post it you dolt

>>6709734
>>6710443

>>6705646
does anyone know the manga infographics there were in twitter or pixiv. They were really useful but then i couldn't find them anymore.

I hope it helps

one was with my old screenless huion tablet and the other with a kamvas

I didn't know that but not having your hand in front of you while you draw is a big advantage

I don't want to feel regrets for buying this thing

>>6711475
also i didnt expect to have less control with a screen tablet