/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Sorry guys, I used the same OP pic again. I'm always in a hurry, and would go totally insane trying to decide what pic to choose an add as OP. As I said, it is only a service thread. My apologies.

>>6708812

any fix¿?

forgot pic

>>6708830
I think you know what you are doing. This "loli" stuff is not my thing, but the anatomy looks correct. If I redraw this, I would change the "age" of the figure, and modify the proportions a lot, and I don't think that's what you want.

Hello redline friends, I drew some stuff in the OC thread:
>>6708792 (Specifically bothered by the left arm on this one)
>>6708878 (Just a general check on the perspective)
No reference, drew these from imagination. Don't have to do both, maybe just the first one is enough. Appreciate your time!

>>6708932
No reference for the poses, rather. Don't mean these designs are mine, my bad.

>>6708830
stay the fuck away, mikufag

>>6708857
I think you are like 80-85% there, but things aren't quite solid. Keep doing your figure drawing, building your characters from cylinders and blocks, and generally feeling the form. I like Vilppu a lot, if you want someone to read.

>>6708857
We can see your struggles here, very common, how to place everything in a way to show the "sexy bits". Like the fox's torso, without being hidden by his head. Or how you moved his right shoulder WAY to the side, so it can be seen. These are usual problems, in particular with furr subjects. Those damn big tails, ears, and fluffy cheeks, it's hard to go around them and show what you want to show. But you have to search for the solution, there must be a way, always.
There, I made the fox's head bigger sacrificing his right shoulder, it is necessary. But if your construction is correct the viewer will know the shoulder is there. The image as a whole will work if your construction is solid underneath all that furr lol.
Also Jolteon (that's Jolteon right?) back/torso looks flat on the floor, but that's a minimal issue. I like how you do hands, and there's elegance in your figures. But, yeah, these problematic poses are a real challenge, it forces you to search for new shapes and distort them in the right angle to get what you want.
Keep at it anon!

>>6708990
Damn you’re good, you can get the perspective and composition to be so dynamic. Great job

>>6708987
>>6708990
it´s actually renamon, thanks for the redlining!!

>>6708932
Sorry anon I posted this >>6709029 in the wrong thread!

>>6709031
You should probably delete that and repost it here.

>>6709031
That's ok friend, I was watching that thread too. I see I need to work on torsos still. Sometimes I forget my own rough underneath and lose the plot about parts hidden behind things. If I remembered the shoulder was there I might've not messes the collarbone as much. Thank you for taking the time to look at the other one too.

>>6708932
Ok, the other one. It took me a minute to see she was carrying a bag. As always these are very VERY subtle issues. Sometimes are hard to explain. So there's my version of her arms, any other artist could place them in a tiny different way.
I could put much more emphasis on the foreshortening on her legs and torso, that's up to you I guess. There's always a middle point between the extremes.
Hope it helps.

>>6708987
Duuude, This is sexy as fuck man. I'm saving this. Thanks! You definitely had this one.

I'll start with this one. The first glaring issue is the forearm, like it should "bend" in the other way. The curve or "belly" of the muscles should be displaced towards the outside (sorry I did the arm too thick, I'm just trying to make the shape clear).
Then there's a very interesting detail, you did the lines of the collar bones. If those lines weren't there, I would say, it looks perfect. BUT the placement of the collar bones instantly signals the whole structure around it and as you can see, it's all out of wack EVEN when those shapes or lines are not even there! That's so cool, you know. With time, it will happen to you as well, you will see.
I hope it helps. I'll see the other one now.
>>6709040
You're right.
>>6709045
I'm re-posting this here, the other thread may disappear and this will be lost for the people checking this thread.

>>6708990
Insane skills.

>>6709071
Those arms are hella more expressive, damn. I'm always really impressed by your gestures. Thanks, this helps me a ton to see what I should be improving towards. I've actually been mad grinding figures the past few months, my anatomy's been way wonkier before but now i'm inching up there. It's good to have some feedback on my progress. I'm eternally grateful!

>>6709071
thanks bro. getting compliments from you unironically keeps me coming back to this thread.

(your redline is way better though)

>>6709014
np! Good luck

>>6708812
Please give me a red line.
I'm jhaving some serious headache understanding this pose

>>6709535
Is my ref even anatomically correct?

>>6709535
>>6709537
no, it is not.

>>6709699
Thanks, mate
No wonder I got so confused

drew this a while back but never felt super confident about the pose, especially the arms. mind to help out?

>>6710330
Hot Pixels

>>6710404
You have a very distinctive style, you shouldn't change that. The faces are beautiful. There's something weird about the body proportions, like their bodies are too elongated, but I see what you're doing. I think you have to tweak juuussst a little bit of that. I'm not saying to change your style, please don't, you just have to tune the proportions to make it work.

The most important thing, the gesture, he's like grabbing her neck with out emotion. It is the hand position. The hand needs to have a "caressing" gesture. And also HER hand is important, so she's not hanging by her neck, in a weird way. Her breasts also looks strange, like it needs a more elegant reading of the lines.
So as you can see, I'm just advising little tiny details, your style is beautiful, tune up the proportions, to make the composition solid, and tune up the gesture, to make it 100% alluring to the viewer, without any weird second readings.
Nice and beautiful work anon!

>>6710909
ahhhh yes, bringing her arm up to hold his makes a world of difference, plus the cupped hand on the face. thanks for the proportion tips as well, it's much appreciated, friend!

>>6710850
Maybe this could work? What do you think?. Main issue is the foreshortening of the guy's left hand, she needs to grab him from a shorter distance. But more importantly she needs to have her arms in a supinated position so her torso can be extended in a arched pose and everything can work better, her head/face/neck, etc.
Her right arm need more work (a much better foreshortening), I wasn't sure how to solve your pic while doing it, but the idea is there, I think.

>>6709076
>>6708812
>>6708990
Redline anon, what would you suggest to get better at anatomy?
Your style really emphasis muscle shapes and I'm really digging it - but I tend to stick with cylinders and cubes too much and sorta just fake it

>>6710934
I like the expressiveness of your redline, although her left arm is a bit too "acrobatic" for my taste. But yeah, his arm seems to be too long.

>>6710891
thanks bro got some twitter?

>>6695752
>>6695806

>>6709699
Can you give me some more red line for this angle?

I feel like it looks off

>>6712485
cute sketch, anon. i would maybe make more of an effort towards spatial depth. This is accomplished through cross contours (cloth wrinkles) and overlaps (also cloth wrinkles)

>>6712705
thank you! this is a version i just did, i liked the pillow you added so i added it too lol. i feel like her hand is a bit wonky but putting her hand on her chest helped it a lot i think

Trying to get better in proportions and cleaning up the lines.

>>6712743
My first attempt at cleaning the lines has the face looking less skewed.

I heard when you try to clean your lines to not worry about making a perfect trace, but I think I went too fast and skewed the Face Check post.

>>6712778
Fuck, I forgot to put the second picture.

Here is the original try at cleaning up the lines.

Please help.
I have no idea what I am doing

>>6712804
learn basic perspective rules.

>>6712855
Redline it.

>>6712855
I did say that I have no idea what I am doing but ok, I'll try to redraw it in another angle.

God, this is hard

>>6712855
If you can give me a redline, that will be most appreciated. I am just tumbling over and over and copying whatever reference I stumble upon

Aight time to solicit some free crits from my favorite mongolian basket weaving forum

>>6712874
You are already far above us, duffus.
YOU give crits

>>6712874
Didn't you already get a handful of crits and feedback months ago?

>>6712876
""""feedback"""" if you mean a bunch of vultures telling me what i already knew but refused to give show me the right way of doing it. basically had to figure it out myself and ask help from outside the 4chan bros anyways....
>>6712875
well, if I see cute girls/waifus posted or cool shonen shit I'll probably give it a shot if I get time this week

>>6712874
I traced your construction on the left, and I did a redraw on the right. The figure construction is kinda wonky. You're a better artist than I am, but I can at least point this out. About the composition, it's really cool, but I think if you look at the picture as a whole, the far figure is too small. I think someone gave you that critique last time

>>6712874
>>6712910
never mind. I'm an idiot, your construction is right. Fuck me

>>6712874
Oh hey, I was the guy who told you to fix the cast shadow from before. I was gonna reply to you with a demonstration for the part of the wall but I got held up. Looks like you figured it out anyway. Curious to see what redline anon would do for the anatomy.

>>6709699
your drawing is anatomically correct? yes

is it the same angle as the ref? absolutely not.

>>6712874
Impressive composition Anon! I love it!

Please and thank you

>>6712947
Man's shoulder

Kinda stiff

>>6712932
I like that you're focusing on form, anatomy, and cool posting, anon. I think you're on your way to great things. At this point, it's all about refining your sense of shape and proportion. Keep drawing, and in particular, keep copying good art that you really like, because we're trying to develop a sense of shape that you yourself really like

>>6712932
>>6712987
the head on my sketch was too big, here's a better proportioned figure

>>6712990
Thanks for the redlines and advice

>>6712945
i know you're trying to go for an exaggerated perspective-distortion type action pose, but for now, scale back and tackle the basic version that you'd see in real life, and master your proportions that way. Do lots of figure drawing, copy Bridgman + Hogarth + Morpho, and you'll be fine.

>>6713024
>>6712735
np!

>>6712804
i literally never do coom, so i held off on drawing over this, but here's the best I can do. The bottom mat serves as a perspective grid, which can guide you in laying down your basic forms. Keep practicing figure drawing, copying Morpho, and copying your favorite artists. don't rely on redliners to fix your mistakes, you need to take your practice into your own hands and learn the fundamentals

>>6713040
Oh thank you, man, thank you
That angle does make sense.

I was about to attempt this angle
Thanks man, thanks

>>6712779
Hey dude, I'm pretty sure I drew for you last thread. Like I said before, when you're doing line drawing, knowing what lines to put down, and what not to put down, is an art in itself. Good line technique comes from copying other artists, because some artists will choose to indicate the eyes in one way, the nose in another way, etc. It's all different. I want you to find 1000 images of good head drawings from artists you admire, and copy all 1000, in the next year. Do good actual copies of them, very accurately. Copy the shadows too. Head drawing is mostly learned this way. If you just outline everything like a coloring book, your drawing is going to not look good

Also, learn the skull, learn the construction of the head, yadda yadda, I'm sure you know that

>>6713043
np!

>>6712947
I think you're a great artist and painter, I just think the leg area and head could be bigger

>>6712950
no redline from me on this one, it's a wonderful painting. someone else may have something to point out though

>>6713066
Thanks so much! You’re absolutely right, looking at it now her neck seems nonexistent and head too small!

does anyone have experience with drawing mermaids / fish?
I want to make the tail more accurate and lively

This thread is fucking stupid.

>>6713086
I’d bring the rib cage out more , and personally make less chunky in the tail , sorry for qual , on phone

>>6713086
Also if you want to make the tail more lively I’d have it be much longer than the main pop culture tail, also have some color variation with some metallic blues, greens , and oranges , or even substitute the tail for something like a shark tail

i just want to see if the deer look right

>>6713117
this is for composition and perspective

>>6713101
>>6713103
thanks friends :)
I'll incorporate your advise!

>>6713048
>>Like I said before, when you're doing line drawing, knowing what lines to put down, and what not to put down

OK, so the advice is a little vague, but reading the rest I assume you mean line weights.

>>6713718
No, it’s not just line weights. It’s everything about how to use lines. You won’t understand what I’m talking about until you start copying heads from artists.

>>6713117
use simple forms with overlapping and foreshortening.

>>6713117
>>6713118
Hi, I remember I did a quick sketch about this pic, are you the same anon? I'm reposting the pic just in case. Maybe the redliners can add more things and fix something.
>>6710955
Sorry I disappeared, I shut down internet to work on my Bridgman's study. Muscles are really useful to "visually explain" anatomy and figure. Cylinders and cubes are great tools anon, I often fall in the trap of the "muscle flat shape", muscles shapes are easy, the hard part sometimes is to add volume to a composition. If you can turn your cylinders and cubes into very simplified muscles shapes you will be in the perfect spot.
I need to go back to cylinders and cubes I think.
>>6711071
No I don't use any socials. I only post here for fun, "sometimes". I do have a couple of pixel projects here but I put them on hold.

>>6713040
Just a quick check. I'm fine, right?
Right leg is fine, right?

Just got back after days of work

I'm having some trouble trying to draw these legs in extreme perspective while still looking like legs

Forgive me sensei, I once again request help on the same picture. Really the main thing I am asking about is her arm that's holding the cigarette, I have the unshakeable feeling that in some way the position is off and I want to fix it now while it's easy to do.

>>6716301
Hope it helps

>>6716313
Do you mean the hand gesture? To me it depends of that detail, if the hand looks good and expressive, then the arm takes a second place visually. It's fun to search for a good hand/arm gesture. Keep looking, have fun.

>>6716168
This is looking good anon. Do you have already a background and background elements as well? Are they on a bed? Is she resting against a pillow? is there a window with light coming in or lamps in the room? That seems more important. You already have the figure composition done.

>>6716423
I have no idea. Probably just a picnic cloth and grass.
Just wanted the body and that's it

>>6716537
Ok, so if she's on a cloth resting her body only on her arm, that arm (and hand) should be slightly placed near her body to hold it up.
So they are both all alone in a field trip in the middle of nowhere? That's HOT. She can scream all she want then.

>>6716599
Got it

>>6716599
Big thanks for the amount of muscle map. I was having a hardtime tracing the ass line and figuring out how breast physics work

This will be very useful

I just started getting into anthro, trying to make something lively. Left to right: Human, hedgehog/giant-sloth, sheep, alligator/reptile

>>6716599
>>6716672
>>6716684
I think I made a big mistake. The leg should be above the arm of the girl below. I don't know why I didn't see that. Anyway I added one more panel to pay for that mistake lol.

>>6716409
Not so much the hand, but the actual arm. Can't help but shake the feeling her elbow is where it shouldn't be.
But damn those are some sexy hands, I want the fourth one down to cup my balls

bump

Is the head placement passable or am I missing something?

>>6720550
At a glance i can tell the torso looks too long

>>6714888
i was actually asking about the other deer
>>6715149
>Hi, I remember I did a quick sketch about this pic, are you the same anon? I'm reposting the pic just in case. Maybe the redliners can add more things and fix something.
yeah thats me. your comp helped a lot and i think you should finish it! anyways, i think i figured out the construction issues with the deer since ive started painting it and its reading very well. i will post a pic from the device.

>>6720550
Head placement is passable, maybe move it a tad up. Like >>6720559 said, torso is too long. The legs appear a little short, mainly because there isn't sufficient overlap of shapes to indicate foreshortening. Hope my redline is of some use. I like your linework, it's very smooth, keep it up!

>>6720550
I don't know why the head in all of your pics looks too small, maybe making the head a little bit bigger helps. But I'm more worried about the legs, they look weird. I'm not saying they're wrong or disproportioned, but, some times even when a body part is ok in proportion and structure the pose doesn't help.
>>6720593
Oh, Ok. I don't think I can do a finished piece of that sketch. I'm having lots of trouble trying to keep up with that Bridgman stuff that I started lol. I hope you can come up with something cool though. =)

>>6720596
Crap, I rushed it again. I didn't see your redline and posted mine. I like how you did the hands. I agree, the head position is ok.

Thank You all for the tips! Some of my poses are a lil cheesy because I try include the ass and a clear facial expression on the same figure.
>>6720596
Yeah, it was kinda tricky with foreshortening on the legs and torso length in this one, will have to see how it could be fixed. I’m gonna study more Hogarth because he did some interesting things with legs and overlaps. I was trying to vary the line weight inside the form which seems very fun. I was also trying to do what Vilppu calls model shading - sharp closed edge on the outside, tapered messy edge on the inside.
>>6720602
Oooh I like the stylization, it’s more streamlined than my “see what sticks” approach. Tbh I do have some trouble with heads and necks, especially with extreme angles like this. I’m not sure which direction the feet should be pointing in this pose, but them being outwards does seem more dynamic than my choice.

>>6716409
After taking a break on this particular drawing for a bit I think I got a nice hand going

>>6721456
That's not at all the version I wanted to post, whoops

>>6712779

The only bit of practice I got since the last time.

The blue drawing is a reference by Gil Robles from his Art is A Busy World blog

>>6721467
looks a lot better!

>>6716703

Updated, working on new pose for alligatorman that's supposed to be him trying to hide what he is (somewhat), under a cloak. Still not feeling confident about anthro anatomy

Does the head-body proportion make any sense here? I’m trying not to make it look too small, but I’m not sure if it worked.

Facial features are a bit wonky, still working on that

To the anon who really likes my art;
I'm posting here so you won't miss it
Thanks
I always appreciate your feedback, boss

>>6724477
Hi, thanks for sharing anon! Yes I totally love how you design your work. It always has that cool look and solid foundation.
I did a quick redline. It may look like there's a major issue with her left shoulder and arm, but I think it requires just an easy fix.
As always I absolutely love her face/head/hair combo. It is the heart of your work.
Keep at it anon!

>>6722470
I think his head looks good, and the facial features are clear. I don't see anything wrong here. That's just my opinion though.

Sorry for the loli shit but what's wrong with this pose? i can notice that the neck/head placement is wrong but apart from that i can't really tell even if the anatomy feels off to me.

I’m not really sure about connecting the arm or the back to her bottom lol if a kind anon could offer a tiny bit of guidance please

I feel like the piece is pretty great but I'm not sure if I'm even able to finish coloring it and risk fucking It Up
Does it even "need" the rest of it's colours?
Which ones would you add personally?

Hello sensei, I mainly need help on the hands and foot. I wanted him to support himself by placing his hand on his neck but it looks unnatural, like the forearm is sinking into his head, I also don't know how to draw the hand that rests on the ground

>>6724626
I'll give it a shot. I'd tilt the head up even more and adjust the shoes to make it look like one is tilting closer to us and the other away. Might help give it more depth.

>>6725827
Honestly the cat needs more work than the girl

You never fail me

Pose is from imagination, I need help kind redline anons!

>>6726087
you completely lost your volumes when you did the lineart

>>6708990
>>6708997
>>6709014
>>6709077
That redline is geniunely fucking terrible. Her right leg is completely dislocated and everything is flattened.
It's insane how low level /ic/ has become to praise this.

>>6727075

>>6727075
dunning kruger

>>6727075
I'd love to see you help people with your superior red lines, friend.

>>6725827
The orientation of the shoes was fucked, i get it now. You can't point your feet inward while you're "marching" that's why it looked very unnatural, thank you anon!

>>6725846
Yeah i'm way better at drawing girls than cats lol

>>6727075
Don't bully redline anon, even if his redlines aren't /pro/ tier, they're still extremely helpful.

Can utter begginer have a redline please?

>>6726087
Quick sketch for you. Practice your figure drawing and anatomy, anon. Sit at Glenn Vilppu's feet for the next 5 years and wash his toes for him.

>>6725682
this is just a matter of learning to draw form and building a figure from a basic cylinder mannequin, into a full muscle figure. Do lots of figure drawing, every day, and study the Vilppu drawing manual so much the pages start falling out. (yes, falling out of the pdf) Also, look up Hogarth for good clear muscle diagrams, then make the shapes of the muscles more aesthetic by copying Bridgman

>>6724788
try not to lose the hourglass figure, even in perspective. Also, just keep studying Vilppu and Hogarth and Bridgman, and you'll be fine

>>6725874
really great piece from you. My only critique is for the hand. If you put your own hand up, you realize her hand position is kinda unnatural. What would be more naturally is if the 3rd, 4th, and 5th finger were pressed down on the palm. So that's what I tried to sketch in.

Also, the fingers on her palm are a wee bit small, the way you had it

>>6728011
it's a simple matter of fundamentals. Get your proportions, form, and anatomy right, and you'll be fine. Vilppu Vilppu Vilppu. Copy through Bridgman. Study Jack Hamm. Copy these books cover to cover

>>6729193
dunning kruger

Fuck!
Why do all my faces always feel flat?

>>6730524
Faces aren't your only problem

>>6729175
This looks amazing anon! Thank you so much for the redline, I really like how you made her clothes actually cling to her body. I'm actually studying Vlippu right now

>>6730524
activate your windows immediately

Hi anons, any idea of how to finish the feet?

Any idea of how to draw the feet?

Hi guys, been trying to draw figures and perspective from imagination. Does this sketch I was doing look right, any critiques?

Please assist. I can't get the foreshortening on the other hand to work.

>>6708812
Hi can someone help me figure this shit out? does the foream muscles look like that whn the palm is upside down with the thumb facing outside? its called external rotation of the hand

>>6733477
>>6733477
the fist is suppposed to be like this, externally rotated.

>>6733483
>>6733477
But the forearm muscle placement is the part I dont understand yet

>>6733477
>>6733483
>>6733485
the ridge muscles connect on the thumb side and judging by your drawing the forearm is the least of your worries

>>6720602
You still with us redline chad?

>>6732825
head too big
arms too short
hands and gun not in perspective

>>6733271
Hi anon, I think it is more important first to choose the "gesture" or pose that resting hand will have, the foreshortening is not that hard, you seem to have a great sense of perspective already. Pay no attention to the rest of the body that I did, I just wanted to do some drawing. Your figure and the clothing looks great as it is.
>>6732039
Those feet look great already anon.
>>6733611
Hi anon, do you mean "me"? Yeah I'm here, but I have to go back to lurk mode now. Vacation time is over and I can't afford to invest that much time here anymore. Now I have to choose one thing if I want to do something art related. And I started that stupid Bridgman challenge, I'm an idiot lol.
What I really want to do now is some flash cooms. The "mental cycle" is starting over again. When I did those pixel projects I did not have time to do them, but the motivation was so strong that I did quite a lot of that stuff. Now I have no time again, but I want to do those flash simpson cooms so bad that I'm gonna do it. Fuck those pixels and redlines LOL Fortunately there are awesome redliners here, I hope they keep helping.

>>6732039
Oh shot it’s dziko
I like your stuff

>>6733529
Is this correct?
its suposed to have the forearm twisted into external rotation like >>6733483

>>6733529
The forearms are what made me lose my patience more than the rest of the body desu, but you do seem like you still have some advice, please tell me

>>6732039
I flip the image first in my phone but still upload upside down, sorry for that

rough pencil before inking, anything anatomy/figure wise I can clean up or fix?

>>6736551
Yeah, put the legs under the figure

>>6708812
I assume I should next time use this thread for >>6734510?
There were like 4 threads that fit in my mind at the time.
I've got some answers but the most helpful one was a redline, which makes me think here was the right place instead of where I posted.

I assume nobody cares but if it makes ic a little more "on-topic" then why not to know where to post?

>>6736643
What would that look like? That way i can see what you are saying.

>>6736703
I never would have found your post asking for help in that other thread. So, that's the reason this thread exist. There are two or three redliners here, we check this thread, when it bumps, then, maybe, someone is asking for help, easy.
We are high-beg/intermediate, so we just do a quick redline good enough to help, if it helps it helps. That's it. No over-kill critique, no bashing, no crabbing, we do it because we love drawing. What I want to say, is that I have no idea how to help you with that inner thought you have about your work, LOL.
All I can say is what I like about your drawing, and, what it makes it hard for me to read from it. Like i.e: the clothes are not clear, I don't understand what she's wearing, I know she's holding a pant and a shirt. I do understand she's choosing clothes to get dress. What I like, I like her design, face and head, body proportions are appealing.

I think you need to keep drawing to build a visual library big enough to tackle any composition. You're almost there. The problem lot of artists have at the beginning is that they don't like what they draw, it looks ugly, so they don't feel motivated to draw a lot of that. But your work looks nice, at the core you have this, just keep drawing. Don't worry about rendering, just draw till drawing becomes second nature.

>>6737029
Your redlines would be much more helpful if you were to draw better breasts. The inflated balloons defying graviti are a staple of your art and are detrimental to the beginners you are trying to help. I suggest you to just stop redlining those parts.

>>6736551
I think he >>6736643 means that you should draw the whole figure before doing the clothes. Getting right the pose and gesture before anything else.
If she holding a chain attached to the iron ball? Remember chains are a heavy material, if the chain is resting make it look heavy.
Hope it helps.

>>6737091
I did initially, here's an older drawing before I fixed some of the knee height


also the hand behind the back is holding the chain

>>6737133
looking at it again it does feel like the leg is in front of the body, maybe I'll push it back...any other things you notice?

>>6737061
uh-ooohh... it is the booba dude! Don't worry I know the drill, I got your fix. There you have some saggy natural booba.
I can do nice booba, lame booba, awesome booba, some simple circles.... or something in between and quick. Most of the time is the later, overall anatomy is much more important. Anyways, that was fun

>>6737156
2 extremes. Saggy old hag boobs, or inflated balloons. I think anons here want to draw appealiong looking breasts. You know, the natural perky juicy kind.
Good effort tho. This is definitely better than the gravity defying balloons. Well done.

Please red line my character design wips.

would really appreciate a redline on this, not sure on the anatomy or proportions. especially in the cock and ball area.

>>6734493
Thank you very much for the redline! It's always a pleasure to get some insight.

>>6737550
Your figure and proportions look good in my opinion. I hope the redline helps.
>>6737136
I don't know what else I can do aside from that redline. Most of the time the answers to our artistic questions are in the doing itself, some things can't be explained. Just keep grinding and you will find all the pieces of the puzzle. We can always give you a broad guideline with these "redlines" to keep you motivated, no problem.

>>6738217
this is very helpful, thank you!

>>6737029
Wow, this is so much better than the help I've gotten in that another thread. However I do still appreciate that they've tried to help and pointed out a few important and helpful things for me.
I do love this redline and it shows me a lot of things.

>the clothes are not clear, I don't understand what she's wearing
I kind of had an idea for them but didn't really know how to draw it, especially those things that I have no idea what their name is on upper arms. And to be honest I'm still kind of lost on how to make clothes obvious to the viewer.(I assume it will come to me over time too just as rendering?)

About the rest, it's nice to hear I'm on the right path and should just keep drawing with these mentioned things in mind, but it was also really nice to see my current mistakes (for this image) in a form of a nice redline.

rem drawer here, working on my next piece here's the rough pencil before I add more details. Any glaring mistakes?

>>6739148
It's too early to call for "glaring mistakes". You could do something great going from there. I'm not sure what's the idea behind the gesture.
At first glance the way his torso twist could be labeled as "problematic". But it could work if he is doing one of those stretching exercises, you know, context is everything.

>>6739289
hers the ref, I was trying to push the pose a bit at the torso to make it a bit more interesting. did I make the torso twisted too much?

>>6739695
Heh, I knew it, that gesture suggested an action pose. Well I did a quick pose bending the torso in a more dynamic manner. Of course there will always be anatomical limitations, like if his chest is arching up a lot then his head can't be placed down like in the photo, etc.
But, you can explore those limitations, doing simple scribbles with basic forms to seek for appealing shapes. You can see that at first that I set one rule, to use a single line in the middle to bend the torso around. But at the bottom I tried to break that middle line between the chest and the abs, and I get a figure shape which reminded me of that pose the pitcher do in baseball when throwing. That's the "eureka" moment you know. Then you say, that's right, that's what I'm looking for. Then you go and search more references on that pose. But you can only get there through searching, that search is done by drawing. We are not machines making calculations and simulations in our heads without moving a muscle. Don't be afraid to do lots of scribbles just searching for nice shapes, there are no rules on how to do art, just have fun drawing and you will find those eureka moments all the time.

>>6740104
thank you. After looking at your advice, and the redline I can def see the pose is weird. I'm gonna lessen the twist and continue. Thanks again for you work, appreciate it man.

I wanted to do something with a top-down perspective but was struggling with making the perspective feel good enough before I continued. My rusty ass has been struggling with shapes, again.

>>6740614
Hope it helps. Yeah that angle perspective is always hard.

So I was trying to do an old man bending in a exagerated way with his hands on his back and I dont think Im doing it right

Sometimes I come in here and just look at the redlines. It's amazing how you guys can make linework look so appealing and dynamic. I don't really understand how a basic redline can look so good, how do you do it?

>>6740646

It does help, thank you very much Anon!

i was mostly just fucking around when i made this but im wondering what im fucking up

>>6741634
AI

>>6740673
Normally old people with round backs wear a cane.
>>6740758
I'm sure you heard (or read) many times the phrase "simplify, simplify simplify". At some point you just do that. And naturally it is much more easier to make a simple design to look appealing and dynamic. The more bloated and complex a design is, the harder is to make it look dynamic and appealing. That's my guess at least =)

>>6741589
She looks anatomically correct. That is, if the proportions are determined by the fact that she falls on the "gobbo" anatomy territory, then this is good ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No problem, right?
I'll fix the right leg later

>>6740646

Again, thank you for your help! I feel a lot better about how this is going now.

bump

>>6708812
Left hand has been a nightmare lol

>>6744881
Do you mean her right hand? I did the hand. But you can also use a trick to do stuff faster (if possible) you can copy one hand and mirror that hand layer horizontally.

>>6744921
you should teach art

>>6712874
Perspective and vanishing lines my negro

The windows like they were copy pasted on from the wrong angle, and the staff/weapon the dude is holding doesn't line up (unless its supposed to rotate/spin, if so give it some motion) And her hands look like shes holding much larger hilted weapons
Still, very nice, love the angle and background

>>6745106
Yeah I had to guess for those windows, would be interested in how you'd redraw them.. as for the hands that would be pretty minor, id just have to enlarge the hilt slightly. The staff lappland is holding looks allright to me, im pretty sure its correct unless you can provide a better visual example.

>>6712874
a grip like this might be more appealing

Should I go to /salt/ or is it good If I post here?
This is a sketch I colored to check how its going but I wanted to check If it was good rn.

>>6744921
holy, beautiful anon

Assistance with the drapery please? First time doing this

>>6745262
Hi, I apology if I change her design too much. I just wanted to place her tits lower on her chest, and suddenly, I gave her almost a full redraw.
Anyways I hope it helps.
>>6745265
Hey, thanks!

>>6745385
>I apology if I change her design too much
No probs dude you helped me out a lot here, I was just doing a lewd fanart of a character I like.
I'm gonna change those boobs, hands and add the collar to the drawing too xd apart from other little things.
Thanks a lot, you are awesome!

>>6745360
I think the clothing piece you did looks good already. If you want a little deeper opinion, it is important to know what kind of clothes are you trying to do. Is it just a simple t-shirt? Is it a nightgown? Different kind of clothes have different shapes. I mean T-shirts are not just squared pieces of fabric, shirts have shapes incorporated.
And about folds and wrinkles, I did some simple examples there, clothes are more effective when they look simple. As simple as possible, with elegant straight lines and folds. In a perfect world we would all use ironed clothes, I know it's not like that, lol, but, if we are making art, we might as well give our characters ironed clothes.

You can say that studio ghibli does wobbly fluffy clothes all the time, BUT, they keep it ultra simple. If we are doing complex clothing designs, then better use straight lines. In 90's anime you can find a lot of examples of that. Anyway, clothing design is such a huge subject matter that it deserves it's own dedicated professional art course.

>>6745454
This is insanely helpful, thank you so much anon! But yeah it's simple oversized T-Shirt like that one art meme couple ways back.
Thanks for giving examples too, I'm a newbie when it comes to clothes. Also again, thank you for the pointers!
Again, thank you redline anon! You're too kind for this board to be honest lol

>>6745385
Hot

I dont udnerstand tentacles

>>6749771
Study serpents and ropes.
I like your character design, the hair, the face, her neck, shoulder. It is very good, keep at it anon

>>6750032
That looks really nice thank you! Also thank you for the compliment.

bump

I'm back anon
I hope I got better at this stuff
Thoughts?
I don't need a redline unless you feel the need to point out a mistake

>>6753312
Hi anon, as always great overall figure design. I just tried to check how would I do her right leg and feet. Her right calve was challenging. But you already have this all figured out, it looks great.
I'm wondering about what she will be wearing =)
Love your work anon!

>>6753382
You're the best op
And I feel bad for coming back to these threads with the same appealing but flat and unrendered / colorless drawings
It's like I'm wasting your time by staying in my comfort zone!
I feel like I just need to take the next step and actually color and render these bitches but it's all so overwhelming. Either way Im going to throw myself at the wall and try!
Thanks for everything op, I'm going to level up my game thanks to you
I'm going to put the hope you have in me to use and finally deliver something truly remarkable as a thank you for your continued support
WAGMI bros
Watch me

>>6753420
Thank you so much for your kind words anon. don't worry just have fun. To me, your work reminds me those capcom rough sketches from the 90s, solid and dynamic at the same time. I like the style. So every time I see them, I just love it.
People like rough sketches too, don't feel like you have to go too much out of your way to meet someone else expectation.

Rendering can be really discouraging and deceitful, there are so many ways to do it, and it feels like you are never doing it right or good enough.
Here you have some methods
https://youtu.be/yEWiYWC1aeQ
https://youtu.be/Wvng0oPkNy4
https://youtu.be/VPAoWWk4LVs
https://youtu.be/MndJKaMQACY
https://youtu.be/VXL4QyDXht4
https://youtu.be/2xZArgjlhO4
https://youtu.be/hTh9NpGPeYw
https://youtu.be/qZPXxLOUSSY

I would choose a simple method though, with flat colors and very few layers, it will help you to be more motivated to finish pics and do it faster. It also helps if you want to try some animations. I did a quick one here >>>/f/3497367
Hope you like it.

>>6753652
you know, i always avoided Marc Brunet because of his overbearing social media marketing facade, but I'll watch them because you recommended them

>>6753990
Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan neither, but from all the art youtubers explaining these methods he does it in a clean and straight forward way.
At least he gives you a clear template to follow, and many different options to try. In my experience though, these tutorials never work as you expect. I mean, you can't avoid doing your own thing, eventually, at the end, for better of for worse, you end up making your own system. Artists are very stubborn creatures lol

Mostly just unfinished but I'd still like some suggestions, cus I feel like theres some errors with the feet, arms and mace.
If any one of you uncharitable characters just gives her a snout I will be very dissapointed in this online forum.

>>6754045
Just a few asymmetries here and there.
Hope it helps anon, keep at it.

bump

badabeemp

Can I get some help with mistakes on this one? I want to give her a big ass but not a balloon ass, does the redline I drew look better?

Anything look off with this?

I feel like I almost got it close to actually looking like Luffy, but it feels off? It's him in Gear 5.

I need your services once more..

>>6757767
What brush and program do you use?

>>6757786
csp, it's just the standard pen

Fuck man, im having problems with both arms. Help pls

>>6757767
GREAT STUFF ANON! First obvious issue is the arm from the girl on the left. It should be just a little bit longer (maybe I did it a bit too long, I got distracted for a second lol). Some people say the elbow should be at the navel's height, and of course the wrist at the crotch height point.

Aside from the arm, all of the rest is a matter of personal style, maybe their torsos are a bit to slim, I don't know, it is a very subtle detail territory. This looks great anon. Her head/faces are god-tier level.

>>6757439
To me this looks perfect anon. I don't know what to point out ass "off" honestly.

>>6757659
For what I know about Luffy's design, this is alright. I'm looking at gear 5's faces, maybe there you can add some detail to improve his face. I'm thinking redoing his hair with at least one wavy curl on the forehead. I think the hair is the key to make it look cool.

Did a freehand figure just for this thread; how bad is it?

>>6757845
Rendering can be hard, lighting can twist in a weird way a good composition. I used the round softbrush and did a simple airbrush on top of a flat layer color. Go from simple to complex, somewhere in the middle you will find a great final result.
You could take advantage of the earth's light reflection below, as well.

>>6757951
Anon this is awesome, I totally love this sketch. Nice work!

>>6758030
Aw thanks anon

>>6757951
this is incredibly beautiful anon

>>6758093
T-thanks

>>6708812
I have problems with the guy's fucking arm

>>6758523
I don't see any problems here, honestly.
This is fucking great anon.

>>6758554
Thanks bro, I didn't know how to make the penetration of the finger noticeable in the vagina

>>6758562
Oh I get it. I didn't meant to draw his arm in front of her leg though. I just wanted to show that the arm position is fine even if we don't see it behind her leg. Anyway I guess you could put his arm infront if you want. That's up to you ツ

Legs and arms are a nightmare for me, I desperately need help

Bless you based redline anons

>>6758573
No, really, I didn't notice the little finger, that gave the image more meaning, because before the hand wasn't noticeable.

>>6758662
The composition looks nice already, a little bit of cleaning an it will be fine.
That's a guy right? Well his left leg (the bending one) it is the only limb with clear problems. That's it.
I hope this helps, I kinda rushed it

>>6758669
To me the only issue is on the left arm from the girl on the left. It is too short. Then, all of the rest, (hips, ass, thighs) that's just personal taste details that I added for fun.
Hope it helps.

Can someone redline this pose?
I am having a hardtime figuring out how the hip and crotch area work.

>>6758780
Now they look juicier, the problem is that if I did it that way it didn't look like anime, but rather a cartoon, but if it's obvious that they look sexier, I'm going to keep that in mind because lately I've been screwed with that.

>>6759582
just load up clip paint studio and pose the 3d model the way the tracer did. thats how it was made. stop asking people to do it for you when its obvious how that garbage was made.

>>6759658
Sorry man, it's not that asking people do it for me. It's more like I have already spent an hour failing at trying to understand how it works but I still can't

You sure this was traced in 3D model?
If so, can you show me how to do it better?

>>6759722
I think I'm starting to figure it out. Maybe

>>6760286
>>6760375
very strange. looks like a touched up ai image

>>6760402
It is a desaturated AI image in Photoshop of itself, I retouched AI it but it turned out bad. I wanted to know how to fix it, that's why I published it, because I notice that there is something wrong with the poses.

>>6760375
>>6760286
Nobody is going to help an AI retard that clearly doesn't give a shit about improving. Just prompt and roll the dice again until it's fixed, loser.

>>6760414

>>6760286
Hi, sorry anon, I saw your post but I was hoping someone else to do something, I'm doing some fun stuff for /f/ xD
Personally I'm fine with the use of AI for searching poses, new references, or ideas. The problem is AI doesn't understand human anatomy, it just morph images in any random patterns with no reason or logic behind.
For example the girl squatting, I know the pose, that classic pose with the spread calves and feet to the sides, but the AI did something in the middle, that particular pose requires the girl to have her feet on the ground standing on her toes.
I hope this helps. AI is ok, take advantage of it if you find an useful function for it, don't worry. But if you learn anatomy and drawing, and you can do it fast enough, you will beat AI at this early construction level, and then you can make a much better use of it.

>>6759582
Does this helps?

>>6760503
Sorry for my bad English, but the original image is from AI, I retouched it manually, feet and breasts, hair and other details that were wrong, but it still looks weird, I like to correct the AI because my imagination is mediocre, I admit I have a bad imagination, but I know how to draw, the problem is that when I pose something my mind goes blank.

>>6760414
Being rude to me and other people won't stop us from using AI as a tool, you're just pushing to use it more.

>>6760474
>>6760530
still seething, an hour later? lmao

>>6760518
>when I pose something my mind goes blank
That's ok, is natural, you will gradually filling those blank spaces with shapes you learn. And you learn those shapes by drawing them. At some point you will draw whatever you want, and it will seem like a magic trick, but it's just muscle memory working naturally.

People who study mathematics comes up with calculations out of their asses and everyone jaw drops, but that's just memory and education. This is the same, you will learn shapes. Shapes for everything, jumping, running, sitting, dancing, old people, fat people, any gender, any age, any clothing. At the end those are just shapes. Now "blank spaces" in you head, like in a video game. Learn those shapes, draw them, and fill the blank spaces. Your brain will take care of the rest, Don't worry.

>>6760543
still seething??? I told you that I am going to continue using the AI, which part did you not understand??? Do you think that an idiot who insults me is going to make me stop using the AI, that speaks more about you than about me.

>>6760553
It's easier for me to draw on paper than on digital, my graphics tablet doesn't have a screen, but I realize the problem is that looking at the paper is easier on the eye than looking at the screen zooming in

>>6760566
Yeah I totally understand what you mean. I had the same issue, I didn't wanted to even touch a digital tablet or a painting software at the beginning. But eventually I realized of all the advantages of it.
I prefer a screenless tablet, perhaps for that same reason, I hate dealing with complex shit. The more simple the process, the better.

Could someone help me with this please? How did I do?

>>6760515
I "think" I managed to figure it out.
Twisted torsos are my absolute nightmare.
There's hardly any reference for the twist that I wanted. Both in art and models

Nothing wrong, right?

>>6760994
Just lower the hips a little. She has no belly

>>6760994
hello, im stealing this one from op. I think you're on the right track with those shapes, just watch the widths and proportions of the forms. Your pelvis box is squashed front to back.

Aside from that, I highly recommend the Vilppu drawing manual if you haven't looked at it. IT's the best way to develop a command over plastic form, imo. It's not a matter of being able to draw bean shapes, boxes, etc. but to draw them easily and without much conscious thought. Learn to put them down directly, without an under sketch.

>>6708812
https://files.catbox.moe/v3p6i9.png

>>6730524
I used to have this problem, just do some head studies and get familiar with contours of the face, it will help with your le animu drawings as well
learn where the contours are from cheeks to nose to mouth to eyes etc. Beginners that only draw stylized miss out on the details of face anatomy because usually they dont need it for a decent looking product

>>6761173
ironically the AI got the scaling of the perspective more correct on the legs. In yours you made the upper thigh too long, and theres no real sense of the lower body converging properly to the vanishing point. You also failed to draw the feet in the frame and made the face not as appealing, the face is too wide around the cheek and jaw area. Arms and neck area is fucked too. I think you need more experience with top down views...

>>6708812
could you correct how to grab the girl

>>6763250
Tried my best

>>6763250
Your stuff is really good what did you study?

>>6763601
Before you insult me, I used the AI to get a plan of the pose, but I did the rest

bump

>>6763621
True body horror

>>6763250
You utter fucking brainlet. That's not how you carry someone, you don't grab them by the ass because that's extremely touchy and uncomfortable. You're supposed to grab them under both of the knee joints and the back, have you unironically never carried someone in that position?

>>6763621
Not even the slopbot can get that right kek

>>6760994
hope OP wont mind.
pelvis and ribcage are pretty flat. It's a tricky shape to get right in this extreme perspective. Mine's not much better, but I hope it gives you an idea of where to go

Hello friend. I'm not asking for a redline; just here to update you.
I havent given up.
in fact I think I'm improving quite a lot.
il finish this tomorrow
cheers

>>6766190
This is a thread to fix postures, that's why people post poorly done drawings, so what's your point???

>>6766454
Unnatural and awkward poses are not good poses.

top fucking kek. just goes to show that AI is even worse than 3d models for producing worthless stilted 'drawings'
NPCs will be NPCs, poorly copying shapes that their IQ is too low to even begin to understand

>>6766589
>>6766599
They are poorly made poses to be corrected, I insist, what is your point???

>>6766599
AI keks continue to be an embarrassment.

>>6766603
xhe's mindbroken lel

>>6766398
Awesome design anon! I love the shirt's neck. I did a redline for fun, I needed it. I don't know what's she wearing though, I chose to gave her pants. But I think you're going for a skirt.
Good luck with your work, just have fun!

>>6766210
Don't worry anon, please do, I'm doing other stuff in /f/ an also trying to finish Bridgman. I hope more redliners jump in.

>>6763250
>>6763545
>>6763549
>>6763621
Hey anon sorry I'm not helping here a lot. I did a quick pose sketch. To me you always hold up a person like that with your arm around the torso, and holding the legs under the knee joint. I'm sure there are lots of good reference out there for that pose.

The AI does a pretty rendering for sure, but the pose and proper anatomy are weirdly random most of the times. I would search for poses using real references, and then give them a pass on AI to get a pretty look and then go from there, either fix it or do your own thing. But don't trust on AI for the starting pose.
Good luck man, keep at it.

>>6766623
You can't argue and you throw a retarded answer, I didn't expect anything from you and you still manage to disappoint me, it's incredible, bye

>>6766816
Better fuck off.

>>6766822
>Better fuck off.

>>6766860
Kek

>>6766860
I think you did it wrong, anon

>>6766867
>Kek

>>6766873

>>6766875
But, why?

I wanted to thank the anons that have been redlining - it's very appreciated!

This is supposed to be a more dynamic carry & run - it's my third or fourth attempt at a scene like this but trying to make it less flat than a pancake.

it's getting better
need help with the hair though
I'm trying to go for a secretary/Karen short cut but I'm not sure if it's turning out ok

>>6767743
I did a version above, but I like the direction of your hair better in this pic, the problem is that it almost overlaps the phone, it triggers my ocd, heh, heh

>>6767743
>>6767875
sorry I forgot to link it, >>6766759

I need some help with the hands.
Also, how does smile work in this angle?

>>6708812
does smth looks odd here? or is it everything? kek

>>6766935
okay, im kinda just pulling this out of my ass, but I think the physics of the movement would cause the bunny character to wrap around the guy more. idk though, not an expert. I'm sure you can figure it out with some reference / video footage

I would like a little bit of help here with the shoulders and the head (This one I tend to fuck it up very easily)

>>6771694
Anon, this looks great! Can I use it for a reference for the future that has nothing to do with it?

>>6708812
Need help with this drawing. Something about it seems off. Fuck hands, btw.
(I used a ref)

>>6771703
No, I think you're right. I don't think I had it pushed 'enough' to make it look more fluid. I struggle with my drawings feeling stiff, so this is really appreciated - Thank you!

Can I get a redline on this alien pls

>>6771915
i feel flutered im not that good, but thanks, go ahead anon