/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

how do I know if i'm talented before even starting?
don't wanna be one of those who just drew floating boxes or anime girls every time because they don't have the art talent.

How do I find my style??? My preferred ideal style is similar to Jhonen Vasquez style

>>6692687
Don't worry, you aren't.

>>6692687
>>6692695
ngmi

>>6692695
simply copy him then

>>6692687
>>6692695
Don't listen to the cunt >>6692697

>>6692687
You will not know this. Talent is not something that comes out when you tease it.
>>6692695
you can find your style by drawing both common and uncommon to your daily environment things that are appealing to you.
Draw your bed in an appealing way, then draw your pet/computer/favorite decoration then draw something that's out of your environment in an appealing way.
This or 24/7 deconstruction of your favorite artwork untill you know what you like to see and draw it.

the sphere is the most retarded shape, its 2 dimensional from any angle unlike a cube or prism. starting to understand drawing heads better by using a cube for the skull rather than the fucking circle

>>6692708
pros use the circle because they think in 3D shapes instead of needing the beginner wheels that are squares and other shapes. It's all there is to construction - the more 3D your mind is or the more you have muscle memory - the less you need to construct.

is there a way to vary line thickness with a pencil or is the only way to draw extremely light

>>6692710
I'm sorry I'm retarded, but what do you guys mean by construction? I see it sometimes when I browse this board and googling is giving me architecture related answers.

>>6692716
construction is simplifying a complex structure untill you can easily draw it. You add finer details after constructing it correctly.
Construction applies both to 3D space, shading and composition (where things are on the canvas and in what relation to each other).
Art isn't as easy as they make it be, even an AI can't do good art if all 3 of these are not met and then it still needs that personal touch or style to stand out of the forgettable crowd which it usually lacks because that's how AI works.

>>6692695
You don't. You either cannot draw at all or can draw in all "styles". None in between.

>>6692716
https://thevirtualinstructor.com/blog/drawing-basics-construction
Eventually, you extend this skill to 3D shapes instead of 2D shapes, giving you something like pic related.

>>6692240
based

>>6692642
Designs

>>6692752
holy shieeet the rose one rocks. I never liked afros untill now. It could be more vibrant IMO with deeper colors and darker shadows, if only a little.

>>6692752
short brown one's ears don't match the turn of the hood/face

>>6692757
>It could be more vibrant IMO with deeper colors and darker shadow
it actually was at first, but I was scared of hiding the lines with the colors because the silhouette makes all the drawing mistakes pop, so i lowered the transparency on the coloring layer

office lady sketch

guys when you are drawing a character in a space what are your steps?

>>6692812
draw two lines that represent exaggerated pose of a character i have in mind, then construct - draw sketch layer - draw lineart - do color - shading - highlights - (optional) background items/landscape

>>6692821
no i mean you are drawing them in a space that saidd character exists in for example a bed room or a 99 cent pizza shop on 42nd street manhattan

>>6692831
then forego two initial lines and go straight to constructing with whatever geometry is easiest for you to put in 3d space. It's not a quick process and you should reference real loife images whenever you can.

>>6692834
thank you anon

>>6692839
no problem chap, be sure to post your results here so we can( as in "I can", because nobody else visits /beg/) collectively help you git gut.

>>6692847
ok i will

>>6692853
>>6692847
wow this is actually gonna take a while i might not be finishing this today since i got stuff to later

does drawing over a picture in a program and breaking it down into shapes count as tracing?

>>6692858
you're asking the wrong question
(I don't know what the right question is, you have to figure that one out yourself)

why isn't there a /pro/ or /adv/

>>6692865
Those people have better things to do than argue with crabs telling them they don't belong in those threads.

>>6692865
AHHHHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHHAHAHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAHHHAAHAAAAAAHAHAHAhhaaahha

oh ur serious

GUYS THERE IS A SCRATCH ON MY TABLET
HOW DO I FIX

>>6692865
/adv/ niggas exist on /ic/ but rarely post shit and not /draw/ arent adv they are at best int, as for pro at least in technical skills i have never ever seen one on /ic/ in all these years, they have nothing to do here and surely better shit to do

>>6692865
i feel like even if i do go pro, i would still keep my mind refreshed with tutorials there is always room to improve... to be better

>>6692865
Personally, as a pro I don't think there needs be a circlejerk thread for us, it would just boil down to cock measuring, render studies, composition shitstorms and wasting time on NOT WORKING

>>6692892
i kneel beeg pro larper

Sigh... I cant start drawing until I have an ipad but its such a hefty investment.. what do bros???

well am I a “trad chad” yet? Here’s my watercolor

>>6692932
grab a sheet of printing paper, some pen and get to it
>>6692934
firstplane and foreground aren't distinct enough, it seems as if they blend together, fix it with value.
>>6692913
larper?

lineweight practice starting from a Scott robertson sketch, it was fun. Not fully happy with how the propellers end up looking any suggestions of comics of artists that make propellers look dynamic hopefully with a hatching style?

>>6692932
pen and paper

>>6692935
>le face study/copy
if i wanted to see that i will go to /draw/ where most niggas can't draw without refs or just busts

>>6692957
????
also
>names his files
pleb

>>6692960
>can't post a single pro work and only a ic meme from 2010
dumb beg, go back to grind your loomis! now!

>>6692724
>>6692741
Cool, thanks

>>6692932
>I cant start drawing until I have an ipad
Why don't you just buy a cheap drawing tablet? Apple bullshit are always a waste of money.

>>6692802
Cute!

>>6692937
>>6692935
All my favorite artists are drawing on ipad so I need it too
>>6692999
Do other tablets have procreate?

>>6692967
kind of silly from your side to resort to calling everyone the insult you fear the most, beglet

finally finished this piece

>>6693022

>>6692158
I did it

>>6693022
her face looks like if she is about to drop the fattest piece of stinking poo you have ever seen and is posing for the guiness book of worlds record when it finally slips out

Hello beg. Demons.

>>6693007
why would you want procreate when krita mogs the shit out of it? And if you are weeb then there is CSP or SAI and if you are painter then you have corel or rebelle. btw most pros are sponsored so they never actually say truth about what they really use. it is just apple and wacom pays the most for advertising so all the pros "use" wacom and or apple
>>6692986
i like it
>>6692937
the orange thingy is confusing but otherwise its solid drone
>>6692934
tradchad confirmed
>>6692872
i fixed mine with buying new tablet and since then i use sand paper on the nibs so it never happens again
>>6692812
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n97
>>6692802
cute thot
>>6692752
thumbs up
>>6692712
tilt the pencil? sharpen the pencil? dull the pencil? push harder? use harder/softer pencil?
>>6692695
Label emulating and the paragraph before it
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/57
>>6692687
one of the art books said to me: the sole fact you are holding this book proves to me (the author), that you have enough talent / interest to learn drawing.
>>6690731
doing whole alphabet would be too much. I did the first 9 most used initial letters for english words and i hope it will be enough for whole book. besides there is nothing impressive about it, just a very small practice of making clean lines (i stole i mean referenced some existing fonts, i didnt invent it)
>why not just use the font itself?
it would be soulless, we want to imitate the soul of old illuminated manuscripts after all
>>6693055
drawing is kinda beg but the originality is astonishing. i kneel

>>6693079
>drawing is kinda beg but the originality is astonishing. i kneel

thanks, what should I improve/learn first you think?

>>6692642
a study of a SOULful jap drawing, did I capture the soul?
>>6693022
didn't you get a redline for this? why did you ignore it?
>>6693079
the eyes and lashes are too amateurish, you should have pulled up a reference for eyes

Legs are hard (everything is hard in figure).

>>6693091
pretty close but the western leaked onto the face, go get some more japanese blood transfusions until your genetics alter

>>6693082
being beg has this hidden inherent advantage: no matter what you do, you will improve with every single subsequent drawing. It is the high begs and ints who suffer the most because there is no clear path for them to take to avoid stagnation.

I can shill you the best beg book i know: keys to drawing. Also you should try drawing using hard round brush with 100% opacity so your pics arent so blurry. You know, as if you are using fine liner or pen in real life. Or you know just draw.

>>6693091
i dont think the original had any soul whatsoever but nonetheless you captured thick chun li well
>the eyes and lashes are too amateurish
the prompt was sketch drawing from monk (monks are bad at it) and the face was supposed to look super uncanny, lifeless and inhuman so i guess i succeed lmao
>>6693094
decent coomer bait

>>6693094
Look at that smug expression. Bratty anime child needs correction...

>>6693102
>pretty close but the western leaked onto the face
i actually wanted to change the face
>>6693104
>the prompt was sketch drawing from monk
that's actually an interesting prompt, I would probably try to emulate actual drawings from monk scriptures from medieval times, I say the shading you used is far too complex for a monk to emulate

>>6692865
any /pro/ thread would be flooded by shitters like me in seconds and we'd spend more time arguing about who belongs than posting work

>>6693150
based

>>6693150
>anon gets told ''pyw''
>everyone ignores him after he doesn't post his work

>>6693150
based chaos sewer

I realized second eye was goofed way too late :(
Shading is still pretty hard for me so I'm looking forward to studying it

>>6693174
thanks for posting this here and not asg

>>6693150
blackpill me on Boris johnson

>>6693185
he's a turk

>>6693197
>roach
>foid
>pajeet
which sort creature will lead the anglos next??

I am not a painter, holy shit

>>6693206
Critique?
Posted lopsided image previously, software for some reason saved it in mirror mode.

>>6693117
I think about this art style every week, have you seen 'Perceval, Le Gallois' (1978)?

>>6693214
no, sorry

>>6693215
It's kind of like the Mediaeval French answer to 'Great Expectations', but you'd probably have to see it after having wine or something like that. In fact it's not something to just watch on tubitv.

It's not my day today.

>>6693203
when a german starts ruling the anglos there will be world peace

Drawing is fun but the progress is soo slow my god thankfully it's fun or I would have stoped long ago. Also with the Internet we should theoretically be able to learn way faster than the ancient masters, what they did in 10 years, one might now do in 3 or 5 if you keep with it and use advanced cognitive learning tools based on science and the optimal learning path for you. For instance I recommend this website: https://pomofocus.io/app

It's basically an timer that is based on this method where you study for 25 minutes, pause 5 minutes do this for 4 times then a long 30 min pause and so on, because continuous learning makes you actually learn slower than to have regular pauses and they found that this is the optimal schedule for the human brain to learn.

the sacred geometry of reflected cubes

>>6693281
>>>/sci/

>>6693280
>Also with the Internet we should theoretically be able to learn way faster than the ancient masters,
Internet resources will never beat the hands on day to day instruction of a master artisan. Apprentices literally lived in their master's studios, painting in bushes and birds and backgrounds on their actual canvases. That kind of stuff doesn't exist anymore, except in animation and art studios

>>6693022

>>6693280
>OMG WORDS
KEKLMAOJEJ

>>6693285
Maybe soon with the new Apple VR headset and KI? KEK

>>6693290
*AI oopsie

Is there a plugin for Gimp that lets me create a grid overlay, but I can drag the corners of all grid boxes to reshape the grid? Basically a bunch of dots with straight lines between them, and I can drag around the dots.

Preferably I would like to not "finalize" the layer (convert it to raster) but could come back to it and adjust the dots, then work on a different layer, then come back and adjust the dots. Etc.

>>6693281
Da'fack is that

>>6693295
Gimp?! Use krita my dude, please.

>put reference on second monitor
>start drawing
>lay reference overtop drawing to check
>drawing is way, way too wide

This keeps happening to me, even when I'm consciously trying to account for it. It's gotten better but it's still pretty bad.

>>6693303
Accuracy training nigga, krenz is your friend.

>>6693280
thanks 4 this, reminds me of other memorization techniques. I usually ace the subject but my sluggish cognitive tempo is a concern.

>>6693302
i don't even know what Krita is, why should I not use the free and open source Gimp?

>>6693309
Also 2-5 min. studies are too quick since I never took the gesturepill

>>6693280
I love me some pomodoro, but the thing about it being the most optimal is based on the word of the guy who invented it. What actual studies show* is that one hour of full focus is the most that a normal human brain can go without losing effectiveness. So basically, do two pomodoros, then go and rest.

*Based on the book Peak, from the dude who invented deliberate practice and inspired the 10000 hour rule dude, though he dismissed it in Peak.

>>6693300
Two point perspective of a cube 45° rotated along its horizontal axis, both projected into, and reflected on a vertical plane, with cast shadow.

>>6693303
Download Pureref and put your reference right next to your drawing and try it, if it's still too wide, it's a skill issue, if it ain't, it's the second monitor.

>>6693312
Because Krita is the free and open source Photoshop. Use it, it will change your life around.

>>6693327
does it have a way to make a grid where you can freely change the size of the squares by dragging the corners?

bump for >>6693295 btw

>>6693055
Better than I did. I was going to do a woman riding an elephant the other day but only did the elephant.
Based and following through pilled.

>>6693232
IDK what your tryin to say.
It's not terrible.

>>6693332
I think you can do that with the pen tool in photoshop, don't know about gimp or krita also funny gif

>>6692986 follow up

>>6693362
Comfy

Long day. Had time to do a couple little drawings.
First is I Ching related pic, copied from fortune telling website, sorta.

And the second is colored ballpoint and white gel pen anatomy study. I learned a lot from this one and will do the next one much faster and better.

>>6693332
YES. You have lots of grid transform tools in krita, very powerful. These videos may be outdated. Krita 5.0 updated lot of things. Please try it.
https://youtu.be/dqO3WZ07CJ0
https://youtu.be/DLXWynZT_8s
https://youtu.be/fM9rQqF6g94

COOL LAIN GIF! Never managed to see the end of the series. Would you spoil it for me? How does it ends?

Source, if anyone feels like telling me what I got wrong.
I mean, I can see it. It was pen so I can't erase (although I did kinda erase with the white gel.)

A different perspective could be useful tho. I might miss something.

>>6692687
if you can memorize a 5x5 square of colors, then you have the prerequisite talent to make it in art

>>6693373
it's perfect anon

>>6692687

>>6693367
>>6693373
Cool work man. At first sight you can see lots of disproportions of course. Her thorax is huge in proportion with her legs. Forearms and calves as well. But it's not an issue of "art skills", but construction. I know we hate this, I HATE this when a teacher said it, "do construction". It is like the total opposite of what we want to do. But that's your path to solution. Do construction lines, as an approximation tool, it will never be exact, but it will make the image totally readable, and no one will nick pick at it. Practice construction lines with whatever reference you find. Be good at that and you can tackle any picture. If you grab that construction frame I did, and do the picture again, it will be flawless, you have good rendering skill. You just need the frame to place everything.

Krenz is hot now with construction methods, but you can do your own, is not rocket science.

>>6692240
Decided to take a second spin at depressed NHK man, and pay more attention to alignment and proportion.

Posting this here for critique but I might scrap it anyways. Humans and humanoids are very very hard to draw, but I think I am improving pretty fast.

>>6693402
Good job. Also, everyone should watch this anime.

>>6693373
AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOGAAAA SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SNU SNU SWEATY SNU SNU SEX AWOOOOOOO

>>6693400
Thank you!
I'm experimenting with different ways of going about doing this. I like the way you did the construction. It's not as ugly as most of the ones you see. I really think of construction and copying references as being separate things, but of course they aren't.
>If you grab the frame I did
Lol, I'd have to trace it off my phone, I don't have any way to do that other than copying it by eye which is what I'm doing in the first place. I don't have a printer and I only work physical. I don't have a tablet or anything like that. I imagine I'll get one eventually, but I'm still enjoying the pens and shit I got so I'm in no hurry to spend money.
I'll look into "krentz". Maybe it will click with me, but I really do like what you did. My brain likes it better than the ideal Loomis/bridgeman stuff.

can I get some feedback for my linework? I posted the top picture a few days ago and people said it was a downgrade from the sketch version and looked shit. The bottom picture is the recent one. Do you see a noticeable difference?

I'm assuming it's this "krentz cushart" Taiwanese guy.
Looks like I'm going to have to read some subtitles.

>>6693091
Looks good anon, there is something about the nose that doesn't fit the jap framework it feels too round too disney for me. I think izayoi seishin is someone you may find interesting to study.

>>6693420
>I don't have any way to do that other than copying it by eye
Just... Put the phone at full brightness bellow the paper, or at normal bellow tracing paper. Anyway, I am NTA, but I actually don't think that Krenz is good for a beginner, his method is just too much for my taste, just do the standard comparison method that art schools teach, you know, the pencil thing, and you are golden.

>>6693433
What's interesting is that in this interview he's saying that you should start not by drawing from life and copying photos, bit that you should copy cartoons never they are simpler.
He completely contradicts the advice of pic related (I hadn't seen this before it was posted last thread.)
As far as tracing, I could use my PC monitor. I'm not worried about it at the moment. Like I said, it's been a long day. I'll probably go to bed soon anyway. I'll figure it out tomorrow.

>>6693444
A true gigabeg should start with cartoons to copy because like this he can learn accuracy by drawing straight simple lines, if he tries drawing figures from the start he will just hate his life

>>6693372
Hm, at first glance not sure if I can create a grid with that which remains and I can keep changing.
How come you are promoting Krita so much btw? Is it really that much better than Gimp? Feels like a waste to have 2 open source competitors to Photoshop.

>Never managed to see the end of the series. Would you spoil it for me? How does it ends?
I watched Lain 20 years ago, I don't remember much about the show.

>>6693420
I'm >>6693400 , actually I didn't expected you to trace the frame I did, because I see you're using paper. So if you can just "eye ball" that construction frame, that would be a great exercise. I didn't trace the photo neither, I did the frame by eye. So it's far from perfect, BUT it has enough accuracy to full the eye. that's the goal.

About Krenz, this anon is right >>6693433 in the fact the the guy is way too methodical for beginners, but I was referring particularly to his construction method, wich is being referenced A LOT in this board recently. And it's ok, he uses the same thing I did, you do lines and try to find proportions and approximations to find an almost perfect copy. You can do that on your own if you want. He just made a video about it, that's all.
Anyway, good luck anon! Keep Grinding!

New characters

>>6693444
Well, I actually disagree with both lol, people here like to put the carriage in front of the horse. I am thinking of a true beg, like, can only draw stick figures beg. IMO, the first thing someone should learn isn't to copy anime, or to measure, or to gesture, the first thing should be how to draw a line, and focus on pure line skills for a couple of months.
This is to make sure the beg can at least draw what he wants, then he can go and study from anime, comics, whatever.

>>6693460
>focus on pure line skills for a couple of months.

this is the most beg-destroying idea I have ever heard of, thank god you aren't a teacher

>>6693461
Oh yeah, begs should definitely go straight to copy before they learn how to draw a circle, it will go just fine.

>>6693452
lol, I really believe Krita is great, I just shill it when I see someone never heard of it. Gimp and Krita are way different. Gimp is like photoshop used to be, an image edition program. Photoshop became the drawing/painting perfect program, and Gimp just stayed more like an image edition software, very powerful though.
Well Krita, is like the drawing painting side of photoshop, VERY VERY, good. Usually I do most of the stuff in Krita, and if I have to do "photoshop edition" I do it on gimp. So you can use both programs in combination.
Krita+GIMP can perfectly replace the actual Photoshop. they are both free open-source. It's perfect. Also Krita is very lightweight and easy to install. But if you go with big resolutions and tons of layers, you may need 8GB of ram to work without hiccups on Krita. I usually work with less than 4000px canvas so I never had any issues.

>>6693463
That is correct, yes

>>6693453
>Keep grinding
I will. After sleep.
>>6693460
>>6693449
What's weird for me is that I went from sick figure to better enough to surprise myself (not good, just better than I thought) from panting minis. The muscle memory from brushing the form leveled me up from pre beg to "wow I can actually sort of copy that!" so I don't know how normal people do that step.

>>6693465
>>6693463
There's a really great podcast where James Gurney low key shits on art schools for 90 minutes.
https://youtu.be/5xkn7VWdKZ8
He's really classy about it, but at one point he calls out this approach of spending three weeks drawing circles iirc. It's a good listen, or at least I thought so.

>>6693330
You do the eyes the same as your normal style, that’s how I can tell

>>6693464
8 GB of RAM?! *gulp*

Thanks for the intro on Krita, I'll remember it. But I'm not sure what "image edition software" vs "drawing/painting perfect program" means, since you can draw/paint in Gimp as well.

>>6693482
im gonna have to practice different eyes

ASSIGNMENT: Draw this skull.

>>6693467
>I don't know how normal people do that step.
Well, you're certainly abnormal.
Kidding aside, some people have experience performing activities similar to miniature painting while growing up. Coloring books. Paint by numbers kits. Connect the dots. These are all activities designed to give the user a sense of mastery while developing fine motor skills.

>>6693467
That's cool anon! I heard from some artists that makeup skills translate well too, my guess is that the actual 3d helps with the 2d that is drawing and painting.

>>6693467
>I don't know how normal people do that step.
back then, it was still lives, then plaster casts, maybe some environmental drawing. Jumping into figure drawing can be discouraging. Today, we just recommend the Feng Zhu videos

>>6693472
Thanks for the podcast anon.
>Three weeks drawings circles
Just to clarify, as line drawing skills, I wasn't talking about line quality, though it should be a part of it, I was talking about sketching and drawing with lines, and how to approach shapes, forms and values with it.

>>6693472
you can hate on Proko all you want, but I miss the Draftsman podcast...

>>6693502
perfect I have a graph ready to go, it only goes to 32 tho

What looks better to you? Top or bottom? I kinda like both, both are right but the above is apparently better

>>6693456
>New characters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyrmEZEc4jg

>>6693632
bottom looks wrong

>>6693632
better is subjective and is different from right, theres no rule in art so you can do the bottom one if you think it looks better but the top one is correct

>>6693716
beg god

>>6692802
>>6693091
Do either of you have links to your work?

>>6693716
gmi

>>6693632
>>6693644
both are right. it's about telephoto vs wide lens

>>6693632
depends on the mood. Bottom gives me an eerie unusual vibe

im getting filtered by thumbs

>>6693769
Cool hands anon, saved!

i’ve been doing the first medsmap exercise for 3 days now and i don’t know what the fuck is taking me so long

>>6693492
If you have a Digital tablet you will see the difference when you try it. It's about how the brushes work, how optimized is everything to draw and paint. It is very clean an functional.
I say 8GB of ram because that's what I have, but I spent YEARS with 4GB of ram using krita and it was SUPER fast. That's why I dropped Photoshop on his favor. But I know nowadays digital artists goes for big resolution sizes, lots of layers and effects, and Krita kind of has a reputation of choking fast when is tested like that without enough memory.
You can't test it's limits, It's free, easy to install, you'll love it anyways.

FUCK i'm gonna have to learn good perspective to do any pose that's not just rotated on the X axis
do I just rotate things on the Y axis until I'm good?

I still don't understand how people do the curved ribcages from the cubes

>>6693433
his comparison method and pencil thing are the same thing basically, he just explains it weird. i’ll chalk it up to bad translators

Is it worth trying to do perspective work freehand while practicing or should I just get out the ruler

Fixed some stuff, hopefully it looks better now.

I tries foreahortening but it looks bad, can you help me correct it?

>>6692642
please explain what i screwed up here

>>6693769
Nice lines

>>6693807
Update
Wtf line quality is hard

>>6693853
Messy lines makes it harder, it gets really confusing where intersection points are esp. in narrow angles. Try a thin fixed size brush or use the line tool.
You didn't keep the verticals consistent. Draw a line down the center of the pelvis and see how it compares against the vertical lines on the torso. Even if you're doing 2pp you should try to keep these consistent, it'll fuck up your boxes unfortunately when you try to connect everything together.
Practice some cylinders, pay attention mainly to how round/thin the ends appear relative to the viewing angle.
Good job for trying.

>>6693853
Also with cylinders your goal is to visualize the curvature of the surface, if it looks flat it's not useful. Be more conscious of how you draw the ends or you can try adding some cross contour curves.

Bad composition?

>>6693914
How hungry

>>6693914
uhhhh

>>6693914
based as fuck anon. now do the next page.

>>6693578
I don't hate proko. I appreciate him giving me access to better artists. His vilppu interview really helped me dial in the correct attitude to have. That's because Glen is so awesome, but proko made it happen and easily available.
https://youtu.be/rbN8wbRz9i8
IDC about him personally one way or the other, but I appreciate the channel.

>>6693811
why is she so beautiful

>>6693811
whore lips break the deal for me

>>6693966
Because you can't see enough of her face your mind fills in the rest. And a great figure.

>>6693016
God damn its art like this that inspires me, beautiful

>>6693472
Art schools are a whole different matter. Art schools don't even *accept* begs.

You don't get into art school unless you have already cultivated your art skills for a significant length of time. Even if they're overall shoddy and inconsistent, it's not the same as a beginner who doesn't even have a hobby of drawing for entertainment and can barely manage to stick tube limbs onto a stick figure.

>>6693578
I only hate Proko for making content for /int/s but turning around and marketing it to /beg/s, because he stands to make more profit that way, regardless of whether it's useful to them.

>>6693807
Practice with a ruler or line tool until your brain understands where lines are meant to go, then you can freehand it and know if it came out right.

>>6693851
The angle of the hand follows from the angle of the forearm. You've drawn the forearm almost as if it's being viewed from the side, but the hand as if the forearm is coming almost straight at the camera. In space, it's as if the hand was in front of the entire rest of the body - aka, the arm is crossing the torso - but you've not drawn the arm accordingly. Try erasing the hand and drawing just the arm, as if the hand was severed cleanly at the wrist.

>>6694004
some school’s literally do accept you with no skill at all, so long as you can show them the money, like SCAD

Speaking of art school, how come it's not trivially easy to find an art school assignment schedule online and just follow along?

AAAAAAA

is it any better from
>>6693232
Im not a painter, Im an illustrator, I work with graphite, not digitally, bloody hell

we're having fun

what think you of this random head i tried to construct dear crit/ic/s?

>>6694075
Hell ya

Somebody beat some sense into me and tell me I NEED references to get poses/proportions right. Otherwise I default to shitty 3/4 view.

>>6694099
I live in fear of 3/4 view

every time I get frustrated that I'm starting so far behind people who've drawn as a hobby their whole lives, I take solace in the fact that at least I never picked up the 3/4 view habit

>>6694075
i fucking kneel.

>>6694078

>>6694078
Eyes are not aligned in perspective, see >>6694108

>>6693507
Is this acceptable?

>>6693094
legs are only tubes

bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNKOt2k7Pm4

>>6694108
>>6694112
Thanks, I tried to correct it i think it looks fine now perspective wise

Why yes I only draw cute lolis how could you tell?

>>6694296
This reminds me I need to get a satania Tattoo, too bad I'm too shy and embarrassed to get one. Maybe I can do it myself?

I drew a butt

office 2

what think?

>>6694323

>>6694323
Nice

>>6694338

Here ya go. Wonky arms aside, I think it turned out alright.

What is the construction method for this perspective?

>>6694441
views looking up at the chin are god difficulty in general

>>6692642
how do i i do a construction of this, this has me stumped

>>6694335
are you that russian faggot that got help from every living thing on this board? are you still a fucking beg? if you aren't you should change your style it's identical too certain faggot that never listened to critiques.
....ughhhh....................

>>6694335
Awesome design anon! Love your work. Keep at it!

>>6694439
It's not the arms, her head/face/neck looks weird, skewed, squeezed. Faces are hard to do, so you can be excused.
Her body is nice.

>"s-sorry proko-sensei, I'm not getting distracted from your wonderful and FUN anatomy lessons, I swea-"
>"I will turn you into the next skelly"

>>6694106
you have to push your values more. too much midtone

Accuracy practice in b&w

>>6694516
Cool poses anon, you're grinding like a true champion

>>6694523
LOVE THESE! did you took them from a reference?

>>6694525
NTA but they're from Krenz's lesson pack

>>6694525
Absolutely, cant come up with that shape language like that yet, ref is krenz, hes posted a lot some anon can probably provide a link

>>6694527
>>6694531
Cool thanks! I thought it could be that, but I wasn't sure.

>>6694479
fuck I'm so sorry I didn't see your post in time and I finished this piece of shit

maybe you can at least give me an idea of what to draw next

also I'm Polish

>>6694527
*looks at filename* Pardon for being retarded, but Krenz is Chinese?????

>>6694545
he's taiwanese

>>6694545
Yes. I wish we had someone who speaks english teach like him.

>>6694548
same shit

>>6694545
>Krenz is Chinese?
Yes.

>>6694550
no, china wouldn't elect cosplayers or death metal singers to congress or have candidates run ads wearing cat ears

taiwan is a country deeply possessed by internet autism, which is why lessons designed for taiwanese students connect with so many posters in /beg/

>>6694524
Thank you.

>>6694558
It is a territory part of China wich is accepted officially by the United States of America since 1972.

>>6693369
holy shit youre back??????? been thinking about you

>>6694439
It looks so pretty anon!, good draw

why is everyone who posts art on /ic/ beg? Im not even trying to crab rn, I'll post my work if you ask me. Im just genuinely confused why I havent seen NOT 1 good artist for the past 2-3 years i've been on this board.

So again, why are there no good artist on /ic/?

Hur hur shapes are fun

>>6694516
Not even tryna dickride, but I think you have the most potential out of every other artist here. How long you been drawing?

>>6694591
Fuck phone posting, why is it sideways

>>6694441
not even the artist/animator who drew that did it correctly. you shoudl always look at real life. never study off of other artist/art. even if you think what they draw is correct, it'll never be 100%. but reaily is always 100% correct.

>>6694600
expressionism and appeal are the only things that matter

>>6694592
you could learn to do this in 2 weeks to a month

>>6694541
>also I'm Polish
Based, me too
>>6694516
based
>>6693748
just a blog i don't update at all

>>6694603
I realized something after i posted this. I had initially thought the op i responded was new to art, but then i realized that he could have been drawing for 3, 4, or even 5 years, and still be at this level. so i take it myt statement back. unless, hes new to art. if hes not, then hes shit and /permabeg/

>>6694606
better than you, who is a shitty nodraw faggot

>>6694515
>push values
bro i need advice. i try pushing values but i feel like it ends up looking blown out and cartoonish. is it just more value studies? what you think

>>6694516
I will focus on the back and triceps, so I won't make a anatomy class, you gotta learn what it means for a muscle to be activated or not, for instance, there is no way the tricep of the right arm is activated is that position, it would be the bicep. Pic related.

>>6694589
Decent artists usually avoid /ic/ like the plague and stick to the drawthreads on other boards because
1. They're confident enough in their art
2. They aren't looking for critiques of their art
3. They're too busy drawing

>>6694589
>why is everyone who posts art on /ic/ beg?
false. I'm pretty sure i saw some very good drawings in the last 2 or 3 oc redraw threads
>I'll post my work if you ask me.
pyw

>>6694589
There are a few lurking but they don't post their work, and some others improve until they feel good enough and leave. I was calling the guy who drew this names in this thread just last year.

>>6694622

>>6694637
uber beg

>>6694618
COOOOOOL!!!! SICK MOVES DUUUDE!!!!

>>6694687
Do not sin, my brothers

>>6694688
would

>>6694479
based

sketch of a figure I saw

>>6693400
I had a busy day. All I had time to do was try to copy your construction, but the clouds moved and I got sun blind so it turned out like shit. Then I had to get back to work. I got the weekend off so I'll find time to draw.
I just wanted to know I appreciated your time enough that it was the only art thing I did today.
So tired, I can't even watch a video. Goodnight everybody!

Which book is good for studying efficiently? I have chronic pain and little time. I’d do a lot better with something more hand-holdy for figure drawing.

There’s so many choices I get overwhelmed, and would prefer something less “just copy the entire book.”

Any ideas?

Attached is my latest piece.

>>6694441
>>6694600
>never study off of other artist/art
study artists for style and technique, study anatomy from textbooks and life

>>6694687
L lmao. Charmingly bad, you can tell you are taking the first teetering steps forward. I think you should watch some videos about breaking down the limbs into shapes and practice connecting them, you seen like you're trying to draw the 2d shape of the figure and ignoring the structure of it. You should read drawing the marvel way it'll show you a lot of the basics without being too in depth about it

>>6694589
Like attracts like

>>6694600
This is bad advice honestly, can you post your art

>>6694589
Because they stop posting. I'm only hogh beg and at some point it's just easier to post on discord and Twitter than to hope for actual helpful advice here

>>6694678
thanks man. i did it to practice rendering but it seems like you did the prespective and anatomy better, I'll try to see how to improve using this, thanks again.

>>6694589
Because when they do post their works, they get crabbed. Like people here will nitpick the smallest of things and expect absolute perfection down to the minutest of details. Why post when they clearly dont welcome u.

>>6694589
Any community based around learning or discussing anything becomes dominated by casuals and beginners. Firstly because there's more of them; secondly because as skill level increases, advice is less valuable and good advice harder to come by; and thirdly because validating the credentials of a poster and establishing a mutual framework of communication is a ton of work. So, most people - even at the merely intermediate skill level - eventually prefer to settle into a clique of people they know well, at roughly similar skill levels, with whom they can speak in reference and shorthand without expecting misunderstanding.

>>6694589
Gayest post in years.

I want more cartoony bodies, but must study the real shit to make the cartoony look work more. FUCK

>>6693507

Tried doing one of Loomis exercises.

>>6694768
No problem man! It caught my attention immediately. I love those pics. Those are like a puzzle you want to solve. I hope you keep doing those, nowadays anything visual is so "cookie-cutter" boring, we need creative designs and posing like that.
Keep at it man!

>Try to draw
>Have all these ideas in my head and when I get down to draw none of them can appear or get called up again
>Even when I do know what to draw, I get unsatisfied and stop or my ADHD makes me want to complete it too quickly and I mess up
>Can't follow the basic fundamentals, either use them interchangeably or have no idea what I'm actually doing
>Shaky hands from Adderall
What do I do?

Working with heads a bit more

How do I improve my lineart?

>>6694742
Dude, nice figure, sexy shapes right there. This is great, how clearly you can do a male fighting body in cool poses, and also a SEXY cool athletic female body. Whatever it is, you have it anon. Grind like crazy and you will be doing amazing stuff sooner than later.

>>6694739
Anon, rest easy. You need energy in your body for motivation to kick in stronger than before. Enjoy the journey and have fun. We're here for ya. /ic/ Bros forever

>>6694743
Dude you did this, really? I don't think you need much "advice" here. That's pro stuff right there. Just keep doing whatever you're doing and you're gonna make it for sure.

>>6694855
That lineart looks pretty rad already. You will evolve naturally at this point. You know the tools, it shows. Just keep at it.

Here's a face I tried doing today, what do you guys think?

>>6694881
Dont post for a few months you useless prick

>>6694871
thanks,its just that I feel it looks "bad" but its probably because of my lack of practice and evolution.
I needed to hear that,thank you anon

>>6694868
Thanks! I do have a decent amount of experience, ignored in art but quickly have been busy with life and only draw for fun and thus I’ve stagnated. I’ve recently been trying to find some way to improve my figure drawing and get more accurate, loose and dynamic. But I need more structure, and get overwhelmed and thus don’t know what to do.

>>6694855
I’m no pro. But I’ve been complimented on my line art enough that I think I can impart something.

Unfortunately most of my examples are too furry for here.

I find what really improves line art is thinking in terms of perspective and lighting. Line width to show weight for example, things closer are generally thicker lines. Places where objects press together get thinner. It’s hard to express in words.

Another big part is just line confidence and that comes with time. Not a bad start, though.

>>6694898
Minored in art, not ignored.

morimiya shooter girl furck yeag!!!!!!!!

just getting back into drawing after a 2-3 year hiatus... decentstart i Think

>>6694863
Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep grinding with the tools in the sticky.

I was going to ask how to gitgud at rotating things on the y axis but I'll just do what i did with normal rotations: draw it over and over

>>6694912
if you can do the first row at the top you shouldnt have problems doing the rest down to the bottom

>>6694854
I love this.

https://files.catbox.moe/b8cms0.jpg

is the original painting I was working from

>>6694995
>>6694997
Marry me

>>6694976
>tfw low beg to mid beg in 2 months

is it over?

>>6694846
lol lmao even

Stop adderall get on nicotine, the focus is way better. I was the same, nicotine helped immensely. But ONLY take it when drawing. So your brain associates the reward from nicotine with drawing.
Win = win. Also use pouches without tobacco or gum, no vaping.
IF you don't want to use nicotine, just draw. Just take regular pauses, breathe, drink some water, continue your drawing. Your brain is fried from too much tiktok, zoomie, might want to stop that one too.

>>6694127
>>6694799
Good, now have sex with me.

>>6695030
draw this tree first

>>6695052
ok

>>6694610
Studies will help 100%. Use harshly lit reference, like old hollywood headshots if you want to do portraits specifically. Take a break from thinking in 3d and try to reduce the entire image to flat shapes. Restrict yourself to 3-5 distinct values. Don't spend more than 15 mins on a single study, but repeat the same subject at least 3 times.
When you get used to laying accurate values down as shapes, you can try working in 3d space again. Here's >>6694075 an example of how I conceived of the study I was doing as a low-poly model as a preliminary sketch. It's much easier to light flat planes than organic forms, which allows you to create more distinct areas of light and dark on the face.

>>6695052
ok here SEX

>>6694976
>if you can do the first row at the top you shouldnt have problems doing the rest down to the bottom
that doesn't sound true

>>6694622
>>6694673
bruh

>>6694597
>>6694810
>>6694881
Phones are landscape by default and use metadata to rotate the image to portrait. 4chan strips the data to protect anonymity. There are two ready fixes.
Crop it
Use landscape interested of portrait.
Thanks.

>>6694881
>>6694810
>>6693367
Look with your own eyes instead of outsourcing this task to anons, you lazy shithead.

>>6693367
be more confident in your lines, way too scribbly

>>6695052
>>6695066
AAAAA I MISSED THE SQUIRREL NOO FUCKING EVOLUTION WHY ARE THEY SO GOOD AT CAMOUFLAGING EREEEEEEE

>>6695170
later, virgin

I'm Hamptoning

Hi bros, two questions

- As a /beg/, is it a good idea to sacrifice a bit of proportions for the sake of confidence? I was drawing this plant with many leafs, and I was thinking, why spend so much time here, I could nail down the general curve and ratio, no one will care

- When can I move over to digital art? I don't care at all about layers or digital tools, I just like that I can have many different pens, and can color easily, but I read that it would be more efficient to git gud first on paper

>>6695178
when drawing large objects or repetitive objects(tree, bush, hair, ect) it is better to get the whole idea down rather get bog down with small details.

If you are planing to do digital art for the most part it is better to move on quickly but if you are planing to draw the rest of your life it is better to stick with trad first. Trad skill transfer better to digital then vice versa.

>>6695186
sorry I rather meant when to also start digital art, I would do the 2 together, wouldn't give up trad. I was thinking maybe the digital would still make things easier too much first?

I drew some quick satanias from this thread

>>6695191
digital would definitely make things easier, might become a crutch with the tools. I would suggest you learn with trad drawing and painting first just to understand how everything works and feels.

>>6694758
Would you say it's like Hunter X Hunter where I just got my nen unlocked but have yet to learn any of the four principles?

Hard

>>6695236

how do i into trevor bennett
i don't want to take more acid.

>>6694637
heil

>>6695170
took me a while to find it too

having difficulty drawing smooth lines on tablet. especially when it has curves. how do I practice getting better at this

the easy way is to turn on smoothing/stabilization and setting it to a low value like 10% the hard way is practice
or maybe your tablet is just kinda wonky try reinstalling your drivers

NEW THREAD
>>6695266
>>6695266
>>6695266

1) is this good
2) How can I move on from drawing noodle people