/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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>>6650910
I doubt this is yours

>>6650734

>>6650947
ok

>>6650910
I think, maybe the legs are too small and spaced too far apart, in your sketch. Otherwise, looks really good!

>>6651004
you are right, now looks better

>>6651043
Really, looks better

>>6651043
yes! great job

sorry for taking the thread away from op, but it seems like he's sleeping

>>6650958
I was hesitant to redline this, because I'm not very confident with hands myself. The advice that has improved my hands the most was to copy hands from other artists. Copying lines is a lot easier and clearer than copying photos of hands, or drawing them from life.

For specific notes, the forearms are too short. I drew a torso so you could see it clearer. I would also indicate the bones more on the hands, to give it some structure. Finally, I'd think of the fingers as cubes, then you would "smooth" the edges.

last night sketches, one from imag and one from ref
>>6651043
blog?

bump

>>6650910
Didn't know there still was a good artist here. blog?

gump

>>6650734
Nosebro?

>>6656291
you need help with noses? I redline your noses

>>6650734
redline my gobbo sketch thank

>>6656693
That gobbo looks GOOD, great hands, great face, correct feet. There's nothing to fix. It's just a Gobbo.

>>6650734
is AI now doing redlines too kek?

>>6656726
That would be helpful, but AI still needs to get redlined itself.

rlg seems like a failure

>>6657244
why?

>>6657246
no one posting in it

>>6657260
someone should redline: >>6656693

maybe i'll do it, after my lunch

>>6657260
Build it and will come...

>>6657291
>Build it, and they will come...
... no one came.

>>6657325
it wasn't really built

>>6657264
I would certainly appreciate it !
>>6656721
thanks anon, I'm proud of the progress I've made with my goblins, but surely there are still things to improve. I'm still trying to decide a nose and ear shape I'm happy with

>>6656291
>>6656691
not me

Completely failed general
:(

>>6658995
Skill issue (I redlined the gobbo but it's not good enough to post)

maid-nun I drew off of random pinterest reference

>>6656693
like others said, your drawing is very good. My only gripe is with the legs. I think you could force more overlaps on the foreshortened leg, and the leg supporting the body needs to be a tad bit longer. Otherwise, great job!

>>6657244
>>6658995
>>6659006
heh, I guess it's time for me to save the day :)

>>6659016
very nice clean sketch, but I think the legs are too small

>>6659041
Thank

>>6659053
np <3

>>6659033
damn, thanks brother, the legs definitely look much better!
general saved

Redline anon(s?), you're doing god's work here.

>>6659041
WOW, awesome redlines! this is so good I got to save it

>>6659158
>>6659161
>>6659235
Thanks frens <3

This thread is great and deserves my bump

>>6656721
Please, refrain from giving critique if you are a beginner.

>>6656731
You wouldn't recognize sarcasm even if it hit you directly in the face.

>>6659041
>>6659033
>>6651004
Anon your redlining is top notch
Do you have socials? 10/10 would follow and occasionally bug you for possible art help

No one else gonna post anything they want critique on?

>>6650734
Can I get some help on how to draw the butt/back better here? Will re with ref

>>6664022

>>6664028
I feel like your ref isn't the best to start with

>>6650734
Teat me a new asshole please

>>6664022
Shading like that flattens it. Try shading along the form. Look at moebius and katsuya terada's shading.

>>6664022
If you check again, you will see that you missed a little bit of lenght space between her lower back and her buttocks. So you didn't have enough space to make her ass to look correct and "shine" if you will..

The reference is ok. But you can make of it whatever you want it to be. You don't need a "perfect" reference to do what you want to do.
Nice work over all

>>6664076
absolute lack of fundamentals. It's like you didn't even try

>>6662158
thanks, anon, but my blog is a secret <3

>>6664064
What do you think is wrong with it ?

>>6664085
Understood. The artists you mentioned are great also, especially terada’s shading.

>>6664094
Very small detail to miss that makes a big difference. Thanks for the redline.

>>6664143
>my blog is a secret
:(

>>6664143
hey redline-kun, I have more gobbo sketches if you're bored ever. I can't really draw right now unfortunately because I fucked up my hand at work, but just seeing corrections will help me a lot when I can start drawing again I think

>>6664330
sure, feel free to post them. if not me, there are other great people who can help you. Hope your hand feels better soon. (Did you get part of it chopped off?)

>>6664347
Thanks brother, I forgot I actually had a later sketch of the other one also, obviously without any of the corrections done yet.
I got into a fist fight with a jointer and the jointer won. took 2/3 of the last joint on my right index finger as a prize

>>6664384
girl leaning against the stool will eventually be this goblin rogue I drew for inktober last year

>>6664384
I hope you get back to drawing as soon as possible, king.

For this sketch, I would try to make clear which leg she’s putting her weight on. It could be either leg, but you have to decide on it clearly.

I also made the breasts sag a bit more naturally, though this is a personal preference

>>6664386
As for this one, I’m really a big fan of this. It’s a nice, clean drawing. The pose is a bit stiff, so my sketch is just a suggestion on how to give it more movement. You could do any number of poses, depending on the story you want to convey. The key to stronger poses is to either give it a tilt, or a twist, or both. (Tilt, as in the shoulders and hips are at opposing angles)

>>6664384
Here’s an alternate version, with the weight on the other leg. You get the idea…

>>6651182
Sorry if you feel bad i skipped yours, idk, I just think there’s nothing to correct here. You’re really good

>>6664557
>>6664553
>>6664544
Thanks a ton! I'm saving all these and will adjust my sketches when I can

>>6664651
Thanks, I’m glad I could help a little!

>>6664330
Oh my god, get well anon! Stay strong

>>6664143
Lold

I aspire to some day be a red line chad

I know there are issues, I redlined myself as you can see, but I feel like there's more jank to it that require fixes. Please help.

>>6668105
I hope it helps

>>6668131
It certainly does. Adds a lot more life, and I can see how your adjustments add more balance and character. Thank you!

>>6650734
How would red the sponge?

>>6668186
He's a perfect creation. Redline him would be blasphemy.

>>6668131
Hey, I know I already replied to you, but I'm going over my details, and the more I'm making my adjustments the more I see from your help. Just really wanted to thank you again, and it's been a while since I've been on /ic/. Your post convinced me to come by more frequently.

>>6668223
Thank you anon! I get help here as well. At some point, finding motivation to pick up the pencil it's as important as drawing skills.
As long as you have fun, you're gonna be in the good path.

>>6668233
Bumped

help pls, arms feel jank, trying to observe guitar posture but cant feel the form. Thinking the right arm needs serious help

>>6670374
Anon, this looks good. Just don't forget the strap on the guitar.

>>6668233
Just wanted to show you an update, I took a bunch of your suggestions, and I'm still making adjustments, but I still wanted to impart my own touches. The pose feels much more lively, and I'll be fixing the eyes next.

>>6670375
Oh shit thank you anon I forgot

>>6670853
That's great. She looks NICE. But remember that you had a goal in mind from the beginning. I think, you were aiming for a young athletic and nimble physique.
I emphasized muscles as clear guidelines before, but now you have to bend those guidelines and fit them to your own needs. You can tweak and trim muscle and shapes as you need, like clay. >Proportions< are the key, subtle muscle details helps to signal proportions. Emphasizing muscles can change everything, age, body type, athletic condition, you have to dial up or down those details as you need. Build you own shapes, and search for fluidity. I did a little trim of muscle on her arms, but she looks good overall. Now is up to you who you want her to be in terms of physique.

Clothes, clothes are as important as much as the figure structure itself. Clothes are part of the whole image language. I would recommend to check Leyendecker, as a guide to simplify design, and make it elegant.

Keep at it anon.

>>6670374
my change is very subtle, but I drooped the shoulders for a more natural look. I also think the arms could be bigger: remember that the elbows line up with your belly button. For the folds, use more straight lines at first. It'll make the dynamics of the wrinkles more understandable. Lastly, I think the suit would look better if the neckline narrowed a bit as it went down, though that's just a preference

>>6668008
im actually not a good artist, it's just way easier drawing over other people's work than making your own :)

>>6668131
>>6670928
your redlines are the bomb dude

>>6670934
Thanks man. I think your redlines are better, I still can't get over this one >>6659041 how you solved
those legs and knees, magic lines right there.

>>6670965
wow, that's really flattering coming from someone as good as you. thank you <3

>>6670934
Thank you anon, I appreciate your suggestions! I struggle with clothing folds pretty apparently, I like the way you’ve approached them though.

>>6670928
>Leyendecker
I understand. I'll take your advice, you are right I am aiming for a younger and nimble physique over crushing watermelons, and I'll look up some Leyendecker guidance for the clothes. Thank you!

>>6658141
how have you never improved in like the 4 years i've known you.

>>6670928
Bumping by saying thank you again. Not sure if you want me to post more updates about the work, but I'm having a blast with these recommendations. I've seen Leyendecker before but never really looked into Leyendecker's art.

>>6673564
Thank you anon. No problem. These boards are to be used, for art. Use it. Even if it is for boosting your own artistic mood. If the RedLine General pop ups I always take a look. It's really interesting to see people's work. Always.
Yes Leyendecker was an advertising artist for men fashion. So his work is invaluable as a learning resource. You can look for other artists using the same searching criteria. Fashion, design, illustration, art. I see so much emphasis on figure learning and anatomy, but so little in clothing and fashion, when 100% of the time we will be making people wearing clothes lol. And we should know about clothes, all kind of clothes. Dress, nighties, socks, shoes, bags, hoodies, jackets, suits, job clothes, time period clothes. It's almost a more important matter than anatomy.
There in picrelated I made you a quickie just to do some drapes lol. Doing clothes is awesome, lots of fun, better than doing figure studies.
Well, thanks again anon, keep at it, and good luck

RedBump

>>6650734
Sometimes I wonder if I'm slow at drawing. I spent little over a whole day at this, barely doing anything else. Is this acceptable, or slow?

>>6676627
Ok I hope the image it is somehow clear. Time wise, that's always tricky, as a redlliner stated above, it's not the same amount of effort to go throwing lines on top of other artist's work done already. You did all the hard work. I timed this "redline" and it took me 30minutes exactly. And I don't even know if it is worth it. That's why it's awesome that other people make redlines too. No one is 100% accurate or good enough to do this.
I can only hope if helps.

>>6676701
Thanks for your answer and effort.

>>6673607
I managed to get some drawing in today, and I want to really express the idea of a sunflower with her colours and clothing. Also redid her face. I know the skirt is off, and I followed some references for it but I'm just bumbling with the skirt frills. I did minimal colours, I just wanted to try and show what parts are "clothing" and what is meant to be skin, hair, etc.

What books do you recommend for learning anatomy, proportions and heads/faces?

>>6678386
Cool! You don't have to change anything, but I just wonder if a V shape wouldn't be better in her middle section. Just throwing options in there.
Nice stuff man!

>>6678402
I would lie to you anon if I tell you. I'll admit that I have tons of books, (maybe all of them) downloaded and I've never read them at the end. I draw for fun, I'm an autistic squizo OCD weirdo, I can be drawing shit with out eating or sleeping and suddenly crash any other day. So to me it was grinding and brute force, it wasn't brains for me.
So if I recommend any "teaching books" I would be a total hypocrite.
The only thing that I could recommend is to have inspiring things at hand, like the Kim Jung Gi books, to me those worth so much more than any tutorial art book out there. Nothing beats inspiration. The urge to grab a pencil and draw stuff, that's the key, and embrace that motivation every day is hard. There's no book teaching how to be inspired all the time, maybe that would be a good book to have.

>>6678435
That looks so much better than the original design

I don't know if it's just an awkward pose or what, but something just seems off

>>6678537
Ok, I adjusted it a little bit because I realized the torso was not aligned with the stomach. Still feel like something is off though.

>>6678542
I think the main issue is it's a stiff and awkward pose, but ignoring that I think the arms are the problem.

The forearm on the left is too short. The bicep on the right is too long.

>>6678542
It looks good to me, she's clearly in a fighting pose. Everything looks right. The only thing that could help is to make her right hand (the one on the light) more 3D. More detached from the grey pants in the background, maybe adding some shadow on the pants.

>>6678562
Thank you for the redline. Do you have any tips on how to avoid awkward poses? It feels like most of the poses I draw from imagination and sometimes even reference end up incredibly stiff.

>>6678435
>>6678495
I do like the redesign, but I kind of want to make some adjustments to my og design. I did a side by side, the differences are minute, but also that yellow you used really is nice so I updated the base yellow colour.

Now I'm gonna actually work on this bloody sword. I've put it off long enough.

>>6679203
NICE! I like the folds down there!
I picked that yellow tone randomly, but you're right, a brighter yellow looks actually better.

Not sure if what im doing is correct

Erm

>>6679520
You are following a method, which is good. Keep at it. There's no point in fixing things here, you're in the middle of a construction process of discovery. Don't stop grinding now.

>>6679533
Hyper stylization like this is peak design form anon. I can only say that her right arm holding the bat is too big, but it is supposed to be big. I would resize her arm just a little bit smaller. This is a great sticker.

>>6679520
remember to have fun with your construction! I like Vilppu the best for construction, because of how free and fun you can be with his theories. He starts you off with only spherical form construction, to keep you from being so tight and precise! Your forms don't have to be anatomical to look good. Give the drawing manual and good study, and have fun!

>>6678402
I think the David Finch guide is a good guide, though I personally got all my skills from Vilppu. Like the other anon said, inspiration is most important. Today, I just do master copies to study. I haven't done any figure drawing in a year.

>>6679536
Thank you I've only just began drawing since a year ago at this point and these are the best sketches I've done so far.

>>6679599
Yes Vilppu is interesting I do like his method as well as Michael Hampton and just anime stylization as well I really lik the snowwoman and thank you.

>>6679214
Thank you! I think I'm going to keep the shoulders, and add the V for the stomach. And for the final bit, the sword and hand position- I went with the og recommendation that was made, and I think it's okay?

>>6679757
It seems you have everything in its place, huh. About the sword, the handle is not aligned with the rest of the blade. Either you rearrange the angle of the blade or the angle of the handle. But whatever you do, the sword must be straight from the tip of the blade to the hilt, bent swords, and guns are always very obvious to the eye and easy to catch. Crabs are unforgiving with those lol
You're almost there.

>>6679757
lol she got the chuds face

>>6679902

>>6679902
>>6679819
KEK

>>6678542
I wanna lick her tummy

>>6650734
I tried drawing an angle way out of my comfort zone - it was based on an older drawing from 2 years ago or so

I effectively red lined my own work - but then just started playing around with it, because I find caps hard to draw too

Could anyone give it a look over if you can spot anything?

>>6680943
It looks ok, the only fix, could be her leg, the right leg closer to the viewer should cover the other behind (left leg) a little more. Also you could place her shoulder a little bit better. But aside from that, this is a cartoony 2D image, things can be simplified and look perfect. Like that little reference colored picture, it's already perfect as it is.

>>6680964
when did /ic/ get so pleasant?
Thanks friend much appreciated and your red line is great thank you

>>6680964
keep your perspective lines parallel

>>6680982
your proportions need work, anon

>>6680987
they arent my proportions stinky

>>6680989
what? You drew it

>>6680990
I drew it over someone elses drawing and corrected the specific issue that I addressed. If I wanted to spend an hour on it then I would.

>>6680997
it doesn't take any extra effort to make the proportions good. You obviously don't have the skill to make redlines yet

>>6681001
eyeroll. All the shit redlines in this thread and you pick on me because you have some sort of complex. It's so fucking tiring. Obligatory PYW

>>6681001
also i meant to reply to >>6680943
not >>6680964
so dont get all butthurt about it OP.

>>6679819
I think this may be my last post, just because at this point it's gonna be colouring and final touch ups. Thank you and everyone in the thread for everything! Even including
>>6679909
Because I couldn't stop seeing the chud face, so I did some minor readjustments. I drew you a little Handsome Squidward version for the fuck of it.

>>6668186
maybe this.

>>6681006
I'm >>6680964
I didn't posted anything since that redline LOL.
I'm ok with any kind of new redline, critique. etc on my redlines. I just have one style, wich doesn't fit everything
>>6680982
This redline is great of course. I do think is overkill. Maybe I'm too tired, and couldn't put more effort on it. I do think that the original pic was good enough aside for the leg, and maybe the shoulder. Again maybe I'm tired.

Don't fight guys, the more redliners the better, PEACE

>>6681007
Woah, you went the the hardest pose for the sword. That's actually great and brave lol. This kind of breakthroughs are important in my opinion.
Good one anon. Keep at it man.

Could I get an anatomy check, especially around the armpit area?

>>6681101
Also I'm not really looking for a redline on the whole figure sorry, but there's no anatomy general atm and salt told me to come here. Hope it still fits the thread.

>>6681101
I think your anatomy is perfect, anon. It's better than mine... because I had to check my anatomy book too see if you were correct

The issue that I'm trying to point out here, though, is your use of overlaps. Hampton talks about using the "T" symbol in order to create form, and I think that's really important to remember to do, in a complicated area like this. It's just good drawing hygiene in general

>>6681101
I don't know exactly what you need, but this woke me up, I was dead, lol, I tried to draw a random pose, and place the muscles colored shapes like in your reference, and it all match up, it was cool. I didn't studied anatomy like from a book with all the names, ligaments, attachments and insertions, along wit names or something. I know the shapes and mechanics by drawing all the time. I don't think you need to become a scientist to draw decent human figures.
I'll try to do more of this exercises, it's really cool.

>>6681170
The reason I learn the names is because people think artists are stupid, so when you hit them with a "coracobrachialis" or a "clavicular fossa" they think you're smart
>>6681165
Thanks, anon! Yeah, this was mostly just an anatomy check to make sure I was "seeing" it correctly; I'll pay attention to T overlaps when I do the actual sketch

>>6681223
>>6681165
oh and I forgot I erased all the inside lines to make the paintover read more clearly so that's why there are no T overlaps, my bad

>>6681170
>I didn't studied anatomy like from a book with all the names, ligaments, attachments and insertions, along wit names or something.

No wonder your anatomy is all kinds of wonky. You didn't get all of it right either. Coracobrachialis should dive between tricep and bicep. Posterior part of the deltoid should be nowhere near the bicep, it stays behind the tricep. Latissimus slings around teres major and they should all be more upright as they insert into the humerus.

Personally I find studying anatomy pretty fun and rewarding. I recommend you give it a go.

>>6681445
Thanks for the input man. I guess, I'm not being totally honest, but you're a pal, so we can share, I don't do these linearts without sketching (sometimes I do), but mostly It looks like the black sketch brush scribble you see in picrel. I could get a super detailed final lineart design out of that, but, I aim to do these in seconds time if possible, and these ones I did. These ultra stylized linearts are like a translation tool, the quickest translation possible. And it works for me. It would be unbearable do designs and poses with all the ultra anatomical details in place in the quantities I do. It can't be done.
So I'll take the bullet, lol, right in my forehead, shoot. But this wonky anatomy is my treasure, it allows me to do everything as quick as humanly possible and I love it.
Also, I do know the main muscles groups and names, you can not know them when you do this stuff, but I hate when guys start naming all the muscles, like Jeffrey Watts does, I roll my eyes, LOL! but that's just me, I'm weird like that. Please don't mind me.

Your anatomy drawings are little pieces of art. You can put those in a frame. And it should be appreciated, that level of compromise with an anonymous board. I hope we have even more different styles to add and to chose from. Cheers and keep them coming.

>>6681482
I agree, you absolutely should simplify and omit anatomical detail. However, knowing anatomy will always speed up your work, not slow it down. Especially the insertions/origins of muscles, that shit's like a cheat code.

More importantly when you know anatomy it allows you to focus on gesture and proportions (which I would consider to be far more important). Like not spacing the ribcage and pelvis too far apart (one of the most common mistakes).

>>6683368
This could looks good already, as it is. Being that a doll, an stylized figure, ??? . We don't know what is this intended to be.

>>6683368
You're thinking of volumes, which is good! The main thing that looks off is the size difference between the pelvis and ribcage. I'd make the ribcage a little bigger. The arms are a little short, as well.

If you want to add more definition to the torso, differentiate between the abs and the external obliques (and their fat pads).

Hope this helps, keep drawing.

Somehow the painting did worse than the sketch. Fix my drawing to be epic again, please.

>>6683791
Your drawing skills are perfect.. I feel like an up angle would be more appropriate here.

>>6683791
>>6683802
okay, i think i really embarrassed myself with these. im never coming back to /ic/. goodbye

>>6683802
>>6683822
SHIGGY

>>6683822
>>6683802
Lmao, so you're gonna give up? I guess I'll have to come up with tips and tricks on my own instead of relying on /ic/ bros

>>6683864
desu that's the way it always has been, and always will be.

>>6683826
?

>>6683868
at your skill level, I can't critique anything technical. I can only offer suggestions to push the pose and express your idea more clearly. I tried to lower the camera and make her post more flowy. It could be done a thousand other ways though

>>6683868
alternate suggestion, in case the previous one misses the idea completely

>>6683802
Dude You're GOOD
>>6683822
Don't worry she's in character, she's not that nasty with people...
Seriously, you did the best face and gesture lines, please stay
>>6683791
First sight, I thought you were trolling with AI, but if not, you're too good to be in Redline general, or I guess you can be a redliner too, if you want.
Just having fun in picrel. Thanks for posting man.

>>6683995
thanks fren. I think you're really great too, your shapes just have that appeal that itches me in all the right places.

>>6683902
>>6683995
It's not AI, AI can't consistently get characters and backgrounds in the same perspective from what I've seen. I tried to fix couple tangents and the hand slightly. I'm not sure why my sketch did much better than my painting, it's actually kinda of fucking annoying to as it was scuffed as hell before. Maybe I'll just give up on making this look good.

>>6684273
IT LOOKS GOOD. What are you trying to achieve?

>>6684286
Well, I thought so too, but it did universally worse on social media than my sketch, which has never happened. The thumbnail draft got significantly more traction than my usual sketches but despite this being the same picture, it did worse. I feel like retard even though I know shit was objectively way more fucked in the draft

>>6684297
Ok, well, that's a totally different matter. The final colored picture is much better in all elements. BUT, it now competes with a whole universe of content in the same tone. At first glance it looks AI. Wich is not a bad thing, props to you. But your advantage is that you can screen record the whole creation process from the sketch to the final result. AI can't do that. So there you have the solution. Also progress clip /video media it's a much better content for viral spread right now, on tik tok, shorts and reels.
Don't worry, it's not about the picture, it's the whole marketing environment side of the thing. Develop a way to capture your process and you can get on top of the issue.

>>6684273
>>6684297
the black and white indeed looks better. It fits the grim mood better. I think you fucked it up with the "paint by numbers" webtoons style coloring

>>6684338
what would you suggest for the colors then

>>6684347
follow what you did in the black and white version you posted. Make the buildings less pink, and desaturate the figure. Make the lighting on the clothing more contrasted

>>6684361
*desaturate the fire

redline would be very appreciated for the body etc

>>6685267
I hope it helps. Her face and hairstyle are beautiful.

>>6685301
thankyou so much! here's the revision I did

Thoughts?

>>6684562
I don't know, I just did the new Japanese Hero Astroboy.
Hope it helps?

It's threads like this that remind me that you guys really cant draw for fuckall. There's like 4 good people that come here just to mog you once in a while but the rest are /beg/s with inflated egos.

>>6685327
The fuck's this "mog" you zoomers came up with?? Please do a favor and leave.

>>6685331
you get no pussy you fedora tipping sperg.

>>6685317
your picture is very appealing and soulful, anon. (and very well drawn) I just have some thoughts on maybe how to make the pose more natural

>>6683791
The foreshortened arms look a bit weird, plus the location where the scabbard is held (usually near the locket). Why does she have 2 pairs of ears as well?

>>6685317
Hi, I reply this to you in the other thread >>6685158
I really think that I shouldn't make a redline of your work. You have something good here that shouldn't be disrupted. I just noticed how gracefully you placed the feet one on top of each other. This is a delightful work.

If you want a detailed anatomical chart, there is a guy here who does that, awesomely good, and with precision, that must be really hard work though.

I did a redraw, but I feel that I shouldn't. As you can see, it adds nothing to yours, yours is above. Keep at it, develop that style. the hair is awesome. The only thing that I could point out is the clothe lines, but I shouldn't, it looks good as a whole anyways, Just keep at it.

>>6685348
I'm one of those weirdos who likes the 4 eared catgirls more than the ones who are missing the normal ears on the side of the head unfortunately

>>6685306
Nice, but I forgot to tell you something. The first thing I did with your pic was to open the canvas all around, her legs need room, for you to see the proportions as a whole.
Your eyes needs to see the figure as much and as better as possible. This is digital, so you can use all the canvas space you want. As matter of fact, you have to, when you do the basic design you need to have a good reading on the proportions as a priority. You can resize the background excess later.
Keep at it. Do iterations to compare, don't linger too much around one work. Keep grinding. You can go back later to do adjustments. Push forward.

>>6685337
Holy hell, I have to tell you again, YOU'RE GOOD. You did it. You improved the original pic. Nicely done.

You made my day
I confess I've spammed this image looking for moar YOUs and positive feedback like yours

ASMR lines dude, you deleted the post? Fortunately I saw it, it was an awesome redraw ! Post it again man.

>>6685368
>>6685372
thanks, but it was WAY too close to my actual work. I don't want anyone pinning me down for posting on 4chan lol. (though it's probably already happened)

>>6685471
Archives exist you know

>>6685474
i guess i'd be pretty flattered if someone bothered to dig it out

>>6685368
>>6685372
also, you mogged the fuck out of me with your redraw, so I felt really useless, though its embarrassing to admit that. it makes me happy that you liked it though

>>6685355
Have you shared your socials? I'd love to see completed artwork from you

>>6650734
Hey redline anon can you give this a correction if anything looks off? I’ve attempted this pose in the past and it’s always a struggle to get it right, or at least not look flat. I think the torso could be corrected too but I have tunnel vision trying to go after all the mistakes. Thanks

>>6684361
Ehhhh idk I still prefer the clothes being darker. Figured I'd lop off the other ears as well but I'm starting to think maybe the sketch wasnt better to begin with.

>>6685476
I'm serious, yours was better. I just did a quick thing no clothes, you did everything. It was an actual different redraw.

>>6685483
No I don't have any socials, and you kinda signaled the issue, I can0t complete shit, I'm too lazy. But not lazy, I think I have "real" ADHD, not the fake one people use as excuse for bad exams lol. I do these sketches, one after the other, no cohesive style, no cohesive theme, just random shit. But if you tell me to actually take the time to do the final lineart, (with a nice brush, tilt angle and pressure sensitivity), color, shades, gradients, backgrounds, cleaning, I probably will break down and cry, and jump out of the window lol! Probably I'll drop this and go back to some other routine anyway.
Thanks

>>6685492
cool, I'll give it a try.

>>6685499
sure! I think your drawing is really great, and my posts were only suggestions. Sometimes, success on social media comes down to luck

>>6685492
You're the mosquito-lady guy ain't you? Dude that shit is hilarious.
I spent most of the time tuning her ass.
I hope it helps. That was fun.

>>6685531
Thanks much appreciated! I love what you did with her back too also yeah guilty lol. The idea just randomly popped into my head but I think I’m gonna make a fun challenge of turning some of the most unappealing things sexy in the future.

>>6685523
Hi, you're the martial art guy, cool. I did a redraw, at this point, I feel kinda weird, giving advice. But here we go, as you can see I expanded the hell out of the drawing space, that's what I advised to other anon earlier. With you the problem is that you're doing this traditional, you can't make the paper grow just by magic. (you're doing this on paper right?) So you're forced to do a well thought construction of the figure, having into account angle, perspective, foreshortening, composition, "gesture".
The figure must look great, and powerful from the very basic construction. Use the box system to explore forced perspective. (I did a crude doodle about that in the redraw)
You only can get this mindset with embedded reference in your head, you need a core idea of what is a powerful, stylized composition. That's why Frazzetta and Leyendecker are so referenced, they mastered these two concepts. Today you have much more reference to use and take advantage of, like the whole Capcom art-style from the 90s is a golden treasure.
I'm trying to summarize something too big in one simple comment. Just keep grinding, keep copying good reference, you can trace as a exercise man, just grind, use everything at hand, at some point you will go on your own, no reference.
Keep at it.

>>6685523
Sorry man, I forgot to update the pic with the "box exercise". Anyway, there it is, a little example to visualize a figure in a "cool perspective". Try it, just draw box shaped figures in cool poses and angle perspectives to familiarize with the use of perspective. That's cool for fighting action poses. The box shape will guide you.

>>6685552

Thanks for the redline. I get Jo Jo vibes from it.

>>6685555
No prob! Yeah Jo Jo is great for foreshortening action reference. And style and fashion of course lol

>>6685552
>>6685553
you would make a great teacher, redline senpai. You said you don't finish anything, but you don't have to finish anything to be a teacher! You could go down the modern day James route and make millions from gumroad tuts, or just find a cushy professor job at an art school somewhere. You're definitely good enough to do it

>>6685572
Oh thanks man! you're too kind.

If you don't mind redlining this. It's a figure from imagination that I tried to paint(didn't really succeed). But if you can spot any glaring mistakes I'd be grateful.

>>6650734
Hope this thread doesn’t die on me

>>6686014
I like your style mang how you Lear to draw like that

>>6685748
This one was really hard. Because I'm noticing that you already did a construction learning, you know shapes, and anatomical and muscle basic details, Her face already looks awesome. You're looking for something else here. Call it "appeal" or whatever.

So pushing you back to "get your fundamentals right", that's not what you're asking. You want this to look cool, or hot, or whatever. Again I would say to open the canvas around, sketching her in lots of iterations till you feel the proportions and the "appeal" is right.
I could say her head is too small in proportion to the body, other could say, NO her head is ok, it is at 1/8 proportion to her height, BUT you're looking to appeal, perspective tweaks proportions in real life anyway. You don't see things EXACTLY as they are in reality. So, "mathematical" proportions sometimes are not the answer.
I would say take reference in what you consider "hot", practice those figures, trace, copy, grind through those references. And you will eventually draw what you want easily.
Keep at it, keep sketching anon.

>>6686014
Soul in this work is off the charts anon, the head is a beautiful artpiece alone. Princess mononoke vibes, nice.
I hope the redline helps. I should do an anatomical schematic on the pelvis, but I'm too wasted lol.. oh, I thought maybe you could hide his/her feet (can't tell if its a boy or a girl to be honest), but I can' help to get any excuse to draw feet and hands even when it's not necessary, you could bent her leg and hide the feet, your call.
Keep at it anon

>if only /ic/ had more quality threads like this one

>>6686079
Thank you, anon! That was pretty helpful.

>>6686148
It's a shame the actual redlines lack it tho.

I switched from mosquitos to this big titty Egyptian chick. I’m not sure if I fucked the angle up and also I have no idea what to do with the arms, I drew her big so I was gonna have her grabbing people but if you wouldn’t mind redlining this I just need ideas to bounce off of, thanks.

Would like a redline
>>6686148
most people here don't draw

>>6686336
You know, she looks hot already in your pic btw. And you must know giant fetish images are a challenge. You can go about it as you did there in your picture, or you can do what I did and try to force perspective out of the limits. You will never be accurate, because this pics are supposed to show something hot, some weird action that make the figure go out of a "reasonable" pose. You must prioritize appeal over perspective accuracy and realism though, that's non-negotiable. What I really don't like about these constructions is the face part of it. If I do her face in a "correct" perspective it looks ridiculous, because of the extreme angle and how far it is from the ground. So I tend to simplify their faces a lot to make them easily readable...
Anyway, these are always fun, I hope it helps! Keep at it man.

>>6686350
You know you did a nice caricature figure. I shouldn't "redline" anything here. It looks awesome, If I do a redline I'l just be redrawing your work in a different way, not a more "correct way". This is good. I can redraw it if you want just for fun. But it is great already.

>>6686336
Oh btw, I did her hand extended high in the air, as a test to see how far I could force the foreshortening. Her hand/arm could be in any other position. I was just having fun I guess.

>>6686421
>If I do a redline I'l just be redrawing your work in a different way, not a more "correct way".
That's fine, a different perspective/style can benefit you and you drawing a different way can be beneficial to me.

>>6684273
yo subu hyd? mby keep the perspectice a bit more consistent for this piece, the girl doesnt match with the fore/back ground.

>>6650734

>>6686421
Thanks again always appreciated! Looks really good, giantess content definitely forces you to practice perspective, that’s probably part of the reason why I enjoy trying to work through the rough spots. I can see your point on compromising I’m still trying to get a feel for what’s appealing so It’s good to hear I’m headed in the right direction at least lol

>>6686350
>>6686437
Reminds me of the Urien and Gill brothers... lol
Hope you like it.

>>6686465
That's a beautiful drawing anon

>>6686350
>>6686437
I gave it a try too

>>6686505
very sexy

>>6686505
this is what I had more in mind, thank you. I can use this and your use of shapes are incredible.
>>6686507
Nice lol

>>6685499
I think if you review your sketch and the finished one compositionally, the sketch has more breathing space, allowing the character to ominously dominate all the space in the picture much like the buildings in the background - when you put all the traffic signal pole in both sides you actually made the character look smaller by trapping it into a "box"

the negative space around and simplicity made the sketch read much clearer.

:-)

>>6686453
wait who are you again?
not sure why you turned her into a loli tho. I'd probably change the background before I change the pose desu. Having her rotated more frontal in contrast to the rotations of buildings on the horizon I dont think was an issue, as I kinda liked her more facing the camera anyways.

>>6686507
>very sexy
Thanks!

That Fly-dude is EPIC. Nice!

>>6686507
Pretty fly my guy

>>6686541
the reason i used building as reference is bcs the char it self is not really concretely planted in space as the ears are facing one way, the face is more towards the camera and down (the lack of underside jaw makes it confusing) while the rest of the body is up and to the side.

>wait who are you again?
discord, not telling anything else :P

>not sure why you turned her into a loli tho.
I just didnt give her massive bahonka donks lol

>>6686541
ah ok, i figured you were someone from discord i knew since i stopped posting here for a bit. if you're uncomfy with doxxing your discord id on 4chan (strange when you outed me) just DM on discord lad
thanks for stopping by!

>>6650734
I was stuck on this for 4 hours, i can't figure out how to draw one person holding the other with their arms twisted behind them (chickenwing)

>>6686586
You could look up Bob Backlund Chicken Wing. That was his finishing move so there's plenty of shot from him wrestling to use as reference.

>>6686579
I don't think thats possible since ive cleared my servers nor have we talked really, just saw your drawing impasse.
Tbf you did mention u posted the work on social so figured cat was out of the bag :? ur style is also really recognizable in general.

>>6686591
I know but I don't want a wrestling move, I just want someone to twist their arm like a bully would
A better example I found is tien vs tao but there it's a bit silly and wrong angles

>>6686596
its not really a drawing impass per se, I just got kind of butthurt that one of my successful sketches ended up being one of my least successful fanart illustrations. I talked about it with my mentor about it and he thinks it was because i split up the posts and posted it at a weird time. The piece is too similar to have such a drastic difference based on minor compositional elements being changed...Despite what twitter says I still enjoyed my final painting more.
You can just add me on discord, im very curious now

>>6686586
Hi, anon, sorry to keep you waiting, had to go out do some shit.
Sorry man, I think that I did this one more to have fun myself than to help you. lol.. But the core of the thing is there. There are many options for the chicken wing move, I like the pose where you can see part of the hand grabbing the forearm. So it's a double action, the arm locking the bicep from behind, and hand grabbing the forearm, right?
Hope it helps!

>>6686599
>I know but I don't want a wrestling move, I just want someone to twist their arm like a bully would
Shit, I rushed this one so much that I didn't even saw this comment. Sorry anon, I would have done it differently. The victim much more bent down forward and his twisted arm up. I'll give it a try, in a minute.

>>6686586
>>6686599
Ok, here when I think about that "bully" action you described, I picture that pose.
I hope it helps you to visualize your idea.

>>6686758
Anon you're so good, you could do redlines here.
Congrats.

>>6686764
I'd love to see your take on this one senpai. I'll be adding the guy in the shoe soon

hello. i really want to get better at faces.
pls redline.
redline however you want
you can even change the whole look of the face

>>6686764
shinji?

>>6686770
just admit you want a commission from op, sneaky...

>>6686706
anon you should really try to actually learn how to draw these things instead of faking everything with broken lines and false perspective. That along with the fact that you try to show off by adding a lot of things makes me think that you're just here to try and impress /beg/s

>>6686769
Shit, Why are these so fun to do? Can you believe that I had to act the pose? Gosh darnit anon LMAO

(First of all your picture is great, totally readable, it makes sense, you're getting the hang of this giant gig, giving it your own style).

So there you have it. It was fun. Please forgive my lack of line weight, it would take me twice the time if add that detail. I'm not too sure about her arm, I could have done it better, but, I've already save it. well.
Hope you like it

>>6686792
He's just ADHD
pyw

>>6686795
It’s just the same schizo from the coom thread

>>6686794
Hehe, I love it. And I'm having so much fun with the extreme perspective stuff too; I'm addicted.
Thanks for the kind words as well! No worries about the line weight, I thought the perspective alone might be too much work

>>6686770
You're a way better artist than me, I just wanted an excuse to draw Killua :D

>>6686794
your skills make me want to weep

>>6686794
Also, I'm gonna start trying to do more dynamic poses in these shots. You've inspired me

>>6686798
Nta, but this looks quite good to me; very cute as well. His neck might be a tad long but that's really it. And extra points for Killua.

>>6686804
thank you <3

>>6686770
Ya gotta be trolling me, that face is beautiful already, is that a reference? If it is yours, you're truly blessed. Beautiful work.
I can't do that face better, but I can do something else... do you like the Harry Potter books?
Hope you like it.

>>6686798
good killua!
>>6686811
the perspectivr is very nice

you are too kind anons
i believe you can draw the faces just as well if u do studies

>>6686792
>"faking everything with broken lines and false perspective"
Anon, you know, you did summarize beautifully in one sentence the work artists do. lol.
I was about to say "we", but I'm too introverted (?) to call myself an "artist", artists do exactly that, translate an idea into an image faking, breaking, taking shortcuts, implying, "lying", in the final goal to represent in a visual expression that idea. That's the "magic" of making art. You do something to make that happen. That something can be anything, that's art.

About the rest, I can't impress no one, here. Here? This is a null void, this is like the ram memory of some process happening here. We're all grinding, all this will disappear, lost in some infinite archives no one care about. This is almost non-existent. The closest thing to be nothing on the internet. We are just here to do something, an action, grinding. If I would want to impress someone I would go to twitter or some normie platform, but I don't want the hassle. I want to draw, just that, I don't want to check mails, messages, stats, I just want to draw. Can I draw anon? Please let me, I beg you! LMAO! Come on man. What the hell is the matter with you. Draw some shit and have fun!
I suck, did you see the other artists here? They are awesome. It must be harder for them to spend time here putting real quality work for nothing, because this place is nothing. Just a place to grind. So grind.

>>6686765
Based on the redlines posted so far, everyone can do redlines here.

>>6686829
Good point
>>6686758
Just gotta fix that arm on the right, looks great to me otherwise

>>6686844
Oh, I moved the butthole up a bit as well, forgot about that, seemed minor

>>6686844
Wow I didn't even noticed the elbow issue. I guess I've got flabbergasted by that awesome hand, lol. Good work anon.

>>6686826
you've impressed me a lot, anon. You're not nothing. Your posts have been nothing but inspiring. I don't know if I'll ever forget you

>>6686872
Thank you so much anon. Your work is beyond beautiful. It's about those lines. I just keep looking at them, staring. It reminds me to Ghibli Studio, but much better. Thanks for sharing!

>>6686874
>It reminds me to Ghibli Studio, but much better.
waa... no.. ty...

please help. I tried to do like, a side view and I feel like the torso is slightly off? not sure.

>>6686764
This is great but I feel like using both arms to do the lock is too "professional". Like the bully's left hand should be on the victims waist or shoulder, this is actually the part that took me 2 hours yesterday and turned my brain into mush, I just couldn't position it

>>6686758
This is hot as hell anon

>>6686908
The pose seems correct, aside from maybe the arm holding the coup. I think the clothes are giving you a hard time, covering so much of the figure, you think there's something wrong, but maybe it is nothing.

What I saw though.. maybe you could cross the feet?. Also the pose with her torso changes the mood, slightly bent it reads as resting, straight and slightly arched reads as an action cue for something.
I don't know. I hope it helps.

>>6687012
Yes I was going for that at the beginning, one hand forcing his bent forearm on the back and the other hand on his shoulder, but it looked so much as a police classic lock, it was weird. But then, maybe it's the other way around?

>>6686771
more like George Mcfly - Biff Tannen vibes lol

>>6687223
Yes, this helps a lot. The baggy clothes really did do a number on me, the cup arm I felt wasn't showing properly, so I think I just extended it out awkwardly to express the gesture? Not sure, but your pose looks a bit more natural. Thank you!

>>6687223
Hah I just remembered what your figures remind me of. Tombox anatomy, right?

>>6687252
>Tombox anatomy
Mmmh, no idea what that is. I did a search and found nothing. It's that a book?

>>6687246
No prob! Glad it helped.

>>6687233
>police classic lock
so that's what it's called?
I went down a little rabbit hole to find more examples the actual move is supposedly a "hammer lock" but the way its usually shown takes technique which a regular person would never instinctively replicate, that's what makes it difficult
your redline was still a huge help btw, i really appreciate it, the speed and accuracy at which you draw is /pro/ level

>>6687260
>Tombox
This book

>>6687262
Thanks man! Yes, that's the one, it reads too much as a police arm lock. It is like embedded in our brains from movies and tv shows, mine at least.

>>6687263
COOL! Didn't knew about that one. Thanks for the tip man! I'll have to "get" that book, heh heh...

>>6650734
>Red Line General
what does that mean exactly ? and does it apply to stylised art or is it realism only ?

>>6686844
thx!

>>6686872
check your parallels.

went out of my comfort zone with this one
im mainly concerned about the arms and the hair as i usually do not draw long hair
i think the body might be a bit disproportionate too but not sure how
any other improvements are appreciatd

>>6687750
your picture makes me think it's raining!

>>6687610
tyy

>>6687588
That's a good question. Personally I say over stylized cartoon/caricature shouldn't need red lines. But, some anons want a different take on their designs, with a different style.
This is a place for art exchange and dialogue. Anyways.

>>6687799
ah thank you
i love your pond girl drawing, i hope to be able to draw anatomy and put it in such perspectives one day

>>6687832
>That's a good question. Personally I say over stylized cartoon/caricature shouldn't need red lines.
alright thanks. i guess pic related should fit more then, i know the right arm is too thin and the mid-section/body is fucky but idk how to fix it

I need some help with my anatomy
The legs are fine, it's just everything else above is bugging me
I swear if this picture comes out sideways...

Color isn’t important yet. As someone pointed out the head is kinda fucky so I’m asking about some pointers to how the figure could look better

Cropped the unnecessary bits

>>6689041
Cool figure pose and construction, man. Yes if the figure is going to have details like that it needs some anatomical pointers for sure. But still this being an stylized figure, it is hard to find the balance to avoid going too realistic. Needs to be aware of that.

You know the harder thing was the hand on the torso, your hand is good, but I don't know way I wasn't feeling it. I placed the hand in like four different ways. The other hand hanging, it could be lower, but, that's up to you, this is not reality ruled by the laws of physics, bend the design to tell the story man, as long as it looks cool it is justified lol
Anyway I hope it helps anon.

>>6689121
Easy, he needed more jaw/chin, and more cranial space up there, his brain was a pancake.
But, I'm joking of course, let's say you're going for a particular facial likeness, you're building a character with a certain unique look. Then as long as you can make the design look good (with appeal/elegance/whatever) The head can have dumbo ears, and caterpillar brows, it doesn't matter. Professionals at pixar, disney, etc, have that as a job, and do it all the time.

Anyway good luck with the dude, have fun.

>>6689067
Anon, you're killing me. I shouldn't be touching this. I don't even know what I'm doing. You said you were worried about the slanted stance, and I made that slant even more pronounced, lol!
I'm holding this pic like a chinese vase, I don't want to touch it. I did the hands and arms in a totally insecure way. I'm sure you have something much better in mind.

You're at a hair distance to blow up in some instagram or whatever platform, these are just perfect designs. I have one request, when you have these style polished for mass posting on instagram (or whatever) you HAVE to do a Mona Lisa version of it. Her face and expression is just PERFECT for that.

Anon, you shouldn't be asking advice to lower artists, you should be making fans at instagram already.

>>6689041
I just needed to practice muscles, clearly. I tried to stick close to the original proportions

>>6689195
Hey, Cool! you will get there man, don't worry. Just have fun, don't hassle, just let it flow, do more iterations of the same pose. Keep at it.

>>6650734
I'm feeling uncomfortable about the clothes in the breast area close to the nipples, and the hands
any help is welcome

>>6689254
ref for the clothes

>>6689130
>Anyway I hope it helps anon
thanks. it does.

>>6689067
>it's just everything else above is bugging me
looks fine to me. you sure you're not just paranoid ?

>>6689254
you're a really skilled artist, I just have some suggestions for you. For the clothes on the breasts, you can suggest more form by making the clothes wrap around the form in an obvious way. For the hands, just doing more studies will take you very far. I'm no expert at hands, but this is what I can do with how much I've studied so far

>>6688245
thank you, since you have a lot of mileage already, I think you could surpass me within a month :)

>>6689254
sorry, i didn't even look at the ref you posted. I think this might be better

>>6689317
>>6689325
thanks friend, awesome suggestions, really improved it
I'll make the changes

>>6689343
ty. wagmi

>>6689158
Thanks for the help man! Unfortunately my attempt at fixing the head proportions ended up draining all the sovl and I’m kinda mad lol. I think increasing the chin and forehead ended up made the head look 2big though I know my initial sketch had it in tiny proportion. Will have to try again later, stylizing is rewarding but hard.

>>6689317
Ahhh, that's a NICE detail work line on the clothes. Got to have it. Saved.
What brush is that? I don't use pressure sensitivity but maybe I can try to do this lines, "some day". One can dream.

>>6689374
Don't worry man. You have this. Sometimes is not about ultra artistic skills and hyper rendering awesomeness, but just confident lines and simple designs what does it all. Don't worry. Just draw, and have fun.

>>6689377
tyy, you're too nice. the brush is just an airbrush that I shrink down to a point. Honestly, drawing with no pressure sensitivity sounds way harder than what I'm doing now. it takes a really strong artist to pull that off

I feel like the anatomy on this one is sketchy.
It's a hard pose
She's playing foosball by the way

Goddamit this is the last time

>>6690269
I hope it helps anon. Again I'm trying to keep the original proportions untouched. I like your style. I did huge hands to go with a cartoony look. But you do you, don't let this redraw miss guide your original ideas.

>>6690269
>>6690311
Two of my favorite artists-- and I'm being robbed of seeing all of their work. I'm owed this!

how a ican make it less robotic?

>>6690311
GODDAMN
Youve shown me the way
I really wasnt onboard with my original due to it feeling amateurish and still somewhat stilted
But you gave it life!

>>6690452
Wow, this is the first time I do a redrawing, a real one. I'll take this like an advertising job, (of course anon, you could be making this as intended for fun, or whatever)
But let's say that you have to do the logo monkee gal for an advert, but you're trying to do a literal monkey lol. I'll say that's a huge mistake, and that we ALWAYS have to find the appeal in any subject, doesn't matter what it is, a box, a bee, a fly, a car, even a letter. You've gotta give them a character, likeable and appealing character.
Well I gave her a pose with the board in an angle so you can use it to show something there maybe.
You can have the png and color it. Hope you like it.

>>6690488
I told you so, you can do whatever you want, and it will have solid quality by default. The proof is that I just followed your lines, I did nothing. It's your design that always works. Believe in your instincts.

>>6690326
Thank you so much anon.

>>6650734
>implying you're not idlecil drawing with a different brush to hide your powerlevel

I need help with the curvature of the column and the front torso of the man. Any help?

>>6690586
Do you have the reference that you used for this?

>>6690510
omg, this is incredible
the drawing is only for fun, and thanks for the tips

>>6690683
I didn't use one
I normally don't use reference and just want to go with different poses to draw

>>6690686
start using them

I hope there's a second thread this one was great

>>6690762
Thanks for the heads up anon, I totally forgot about the limit lol. I just did the new one.

>>6690715
Thanks for this. Saved.

>>6690715
saved