/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

What is the best construction method that is very "Intuitive" and that gets stuck in your head with a click moment? I struggle with using boxes for a body construction, it doesn't seem natural, but it makes sense because boxes portrait the perspective the best. Using spheres, or egg shapes, is harder in perspective. I have absolutely no problem drawing a body from the front now, but everything that involves foreshortening makes everything I try to draw fall apart, and I need to do constant changes and it never looks right. There are several methods on youtube and everyone is different, which confuses and fatigues me.

Suggestions are always welcome.

>>6686037
always nice to see some trad drawings. The only thing that might be a problem is the heads are a bit large on some of the drawings other than that keep it up.

>>6686019
Have you tried DaB (Draw-A-Box)? It will help you immensely!

"Try flipping the reference upside down and drawing that instead", they said. (It made it far, far worse.)

>>6686019
Steve Huston

I can't replicate this head pose through Loomis method at all. Can someone please help me? Possibly find a real life model looking in the same direction? I can't find shit and I am already pissed off it's only been 15 minutes into practice.

anons, my progress is so slow, almost unnoticeable. Zero motivation to keep moving forward on slow pace like that. This shit AI is already here I'm probably one of those that would be replaced by it
Nah, I'm not even on any pro level at all. Never did a commission. Too scared to.
Sorry.

>>6686089
I'm in the same boat, only I wasted 400$ on a class.

>>6686075
who said that? are you talking about mirroring the drawing?

>>6686088
that why you should learn perspective instead

>>6686088
idk shit about loomis but maybe something like this?

>>6686105
what you did in under 12 min would take me an entire day to do, I'm honestly just not going to fucking make it... thanks anyway

>>6686108
Dont give up fren, you picked a pretty difficult image to drawn from. Low angles in particular give a lot of people trouble.

So now crotch and butt area are confusing me.
Where does legs end and where the butt starts? How to draw crotch area directly from bottom?
Damn. I hate how much information there is to remember.

part 2 of the @se_5eeeee study i posted on the last thread, i had major trouble with the hair, i couldn’t get the same effect with the brown as the original artist did with the blonde hair… other than that i’m happy with how this turned out!

any feedback is appreciated

>>6686008
i love this pic with all the art from last thread lmao

started to finally practice drawing even though i'm still complete shit at it. this is a very early wip, that i know looks like shit.

the hair is a placeholder.

>>6686088
I tried it with the loomis method

>>6686174
>>6686088

>>6686159
Did you trace? Looks like it.

>>6686175
Tha's not how the Loomis method works, you are saying on this pic that her side plane begins in the middle of the eye.

>>6686176
technically.

>>6686075
That practice is supposed to be an "aha" moment to get you to draw in shapes instead of symbol drawing. You're not supposed to draw everything upside down, but to draw the actual shapes that make up the reference.

Please stop drawing upside down and start draw the shapes and refine.

>>6686108
What takes you an entire day on day 1 will take you half a day on day 2 and 5 minutes on day 3.

>>6686210
Yeah, anon you should actually read (or reread) Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. You may also find tracing to be useful here so that you realize how you're misdrawing the proportions/angles

update

>>6686008
>Buy Proko course!

>>6686174
Don't do Loomis on anime heads

I can't find a hard copy of Vilppu's manual (that isn't stupid expensive). Do you guys think a printing shop would complain too much if I sent them a PDF and asked for it to be printed and put in a binder or something? I like it but I'm looking at it on a monitor and I'd like to take it somewhere other than my home office.

>>6686019
Watch "Love Life Drawing" on youtube. He has the best construction method, and its not even close.

>>6686037
Pretty good. But like the previous one, I'd recommend watching "Love Life Drawing".

>>6686089
Then give up.

>>6686105
Work on construction. David Finch, Marc Brunet, Proko, etc. Watch them.

>>6686225
Work on construction. Marc Brunet, Proko, David Finch, Love Life Drawing, etc.

>>6686264
Wouldn't hurt to just ring them up and ask for a quote.
Have you got a link to the pdf?

>>6686275
no

>>6686275
>Watch "Love Life Drawing" on youtube.
I always avoided him because his drawings were not that good.

started drawing about 3 months ago

>>6686108
I was like that, now I construct faster and the problem is coming up with poses

R8???

Idk

>>6686275
>snibbety snab

>>6686302
Amazing. You really studied properly

>>6686299
Love these, thanks for sharing

>>6686315
pose looks off?( the raised arm seems a bit high). Also did you mirrored your drawing, face looks a bit slanted

>>6686302
Nicely done, you have great taste at picking reference too

>>6686296
Thats your opinion, but nontheless, his technical skills are some of the best in the Youtube Art Community. You should give him a try. I recommend this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH0Vkkc3Mgw

>>6686321
thanks :3

Which way to go, anon?

I really suck at choosing colors. Really hate it.

>>6686323
Thanks for reminding me, I did some changes, does it look better now?

>>6686325
this is from their instagram. im sure their information isn't bad, but i'd rather learn from people like Steve Huston or Loomis

>>6686335
kinohana

the shadow where her neck cut ends kinda looks like chest hair, also her clavicles and scar should probably be visible. and a background (even a simple one) would really take it to the next level

>>6686348
Thanks bruv, I'll make some adjustments

i am doing this right now

I'm trying to move towards doing more 15 minute sketches to break some bad habits, but even still, why's it so hard bros

>>6686225
Can't get enough of your designs. Solid , dynamic, and powerful. Perfect.
The hands need something, a millimeter tiny little bit of detail. Love these.

im just eyeballing it and i dont really have a method. just doing something, trying to get back into it after a long time of not drawing. i just hope i will finish this and not quit.
if you have any criticism or advice on how to construct this please share.

>>6686370
go big to small, measure out the ratios. dont be lazy and do the tricky work before jumping in.

>>6686019
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>>6686264
>he didn't get the rerelease copy from 6 months ago

Following Loomis' figure drawing book. Working slowly but making sure I get it before going forward. They're a bit stiff still

Did a second orc head to see if I really learned anything from the first one, I really think I learned a bit of how to render with pencil. I also learned that I can't draw hair.

i just used the eraser for the first time, and wow that opens up possibilities lol. not used to digital drawing.
>>6686383
you need to think of hair of just another shape to add texture to.
and dont make the farther away saber tooth the bigger one, if you make one bigger than the other then make the closer one bigger.
as it is your eye immediately focuses on the one farther away and you think "is this a mistake or is the one in the back bigger than the one in the front - ah the one in the back is bigger, ok" if the one in the front is bigger you wont even think about it.

Tried to somewhat emulate demon slayer's art style since it makes the women look like absolute mommies.
Did I get there? Or does this freak you out?

>>6686395
doesn't look like demon slayer IMO but it's a nice sketch.

>>6686380
Do some line control exercises they are too wobbly and scratchy otherwise good

>>6686365
I LOVE IT

sketch

>>6686370
Tip: Try turning your reference upside down and then try it again you're le hecking symbol drawing!

I just masturbated

>>6686088
It's probably giving you so much trouble because the head actually doesn't make much sense as a 3D object, certainly not an anatomically correct Loomis Head™.
Which isn't a bad thing, because it certainly fools the eye into thinking it does. It was only when I started to run it through the 3D Loom-o-Matic™ Image Scanner that I even really noticed it, myself.
What we should learn today is that we don't try to learn or apply hard, factual, realistic anatomy, construction, and perspective from or to stylized work, because the artist almost assuredly gleefully broke the rules of all three. This doesn't just apply to anime, western cartoons do it too.
Of course, the artist in question most likely learned all three of those things first, but then let their soupy, weird subconscious mind run with it instead of autistically constructoiding perfect 3D models. So the end result is something that almost makes sense as a 3D object and even fools you into thinking it does, but is actually warped and shifted so that it looks better as a 2D image to the eye. It's a hybrid of 2D and 3D thinking, the inner symbol drawing retard and autistic constructoid connected in perfect harmony.

>>6686296
He has great videos. Teaching is a skill of its own

i wish i knew how to animate

>>6686322
Thank you for the kind comment.
I felt that set of drawings reached a point where I could use them as a foundation for further ones. Not particularly a style, but an aesthetic I want to flesh out and hopefully bring to a good endpoint.

how do i crack the animu face code?

>>6686485
you dont
fuck anime

>>6686489
His nuts look quite tasty.

nohomo

>>6686494
>fuck anime
yes

>>6686512
Coomer proportions have to be used wisely

Just finished this

Another very quick thing

>>6686008
I'm trying to do rotated perspective drawings, how badly did I fuck up?

only 530 more

I was going to enter this into the genshit contest but I realized it's trash so I won't even embarrass myself lmao but I want to share it before It gets deleted. there's no fixing it my art style is just not for fan art

>>6686592
Yeah. Why throw it away on free advertising?

When will I be able to draw like this? I started 2 months ago.

sketches of a character from twitter

I've drawn cartoon faces before, but this is my first attempt at drawing a more realistic face. How is it?

Figure drawing and coloring exercise. I don't know why I'm still using ballpoint shading. I don't have the patience to do it right.

>>6686008
Petition to change /beg/ & /int/ gen to a more simple /big/ (Beginner-Intermediate General)

Any good resources which demonstrate how to gesture draw faces & expressions? I feel like this would be a very useful thing to practice, to improve expressions

I understand roughly how to gesture draw the figure, but no idea how to apply it to the face. I guess I don't fully understand gesture drawing yet

>>6686614
I like the name lol

>>6686601
I started six years ago and I'm nowhere near that level.

>>6686614
That can be cool, I say yes
>>6686605
You need to be more... delicate about the features. For instance, you are doing the bug eyes mistake, where the lashes look like bug legs, look up Sinix anatomy on youtube, it will give a direction on how to be more realistic-ish.
>>6686395
Search up Demon Slayer Settei on google, you will get the character style guide that the animators use.

>>6686620
Tell me what you are doing so I can avoid it

>>6686604
How the hell do you just know where to put the cranium's side circle? I never figured this out

Hello beg. Finally done with 2P perspective. I think i now understand why architects make all these horrendous ugly ass "modern" buildings: they are lazy uninspired fucks: just randomly slash cube in 2 random directions and call it done.

>>6686605
appeal is there so its good. as far as realism goes... be more careful with the hard edges around squishy spots like eyes, nose and lips. unless woman overdoes it with makeup their lips nor eyes are never this intense sharp edges
>>6686604
what are the furry loomis heads in the top right? is there loomis book for furries?
>>6686601
fish eye perspective is something i am yet to reach in any book, the rest it "just" standard anime + digital rendering, do a master study of this pic to level up fast
>>6686592
its nowhere near disaster, its just... unfinished? background, her body, drapery... only face seems complete
>>6686535
i like this, so simple yet cool
>>6686462
have you tried picking up any book about animation? there are a lot of them
Walt Stanchfield Drawn to Life, Richard Williams The Animators Survival Kit
>>6686379
well what is new in there? anyone uploaded scans of the new edition yet?
>>6686365
cute sf6 thot
>>6686330
thumbs up
>>6686317
precise, soulful wibes
>>6686315
that katana needs redo, it is the most important piece of the composition and its closest to the camera, you cannot ignore it like this
>>6686299
cute furry loli

>>6686614
I agree

>>6686578
>only 530 more
Which instructor or author said to do it that way?

is the book everyone recommends drawing on the right side of the brain
OR
the new drawing on the right side of the brain (the sequel)
it is confusing

>>6686652
they teach the same things. The whole point of the book is to teach you to duplicate what you see accurately. The training for that hasn't changed in hundreds of years.

When you can copy well, start getting into construction, which allows you to draw from imagination.

It seems impossible to learn how to draw, it's a talent.

>>6686657
pretty much, lacking genes there is just no chance

>>6686644
Why does nobody ever answer this

Keep drawing torsos and inanimate objects not sure if I'm in the right track.

>>6686648
The youtube playlist I'm copying from has roughly that amount of poses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdCZDL9NPwY&list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9v&ab_channel=hidechannel%E3%80%90%E9%A1%94%E3%81%A8%E4%BD%93%E3%81%AE%E6%8F%8F%E3%81%8D%E6%96%B9%E8%AC%9B%E5%BA%A7%E3%80%91

>>6686644
>>6686660
you put it wherever you want. Where you put the side plane determines which direction the head faces.

Also, study the skull. Draw it thousands of times, from every angle imaginable. It will give you the intuition about the structure and spacing of the head

>>6686666
doesn't answer my question, but I figured out if I imagine the head as a box and put a point on the centre of the side of the head I can use that to figure out the circle

>>6686668
look, the semicircle on the side is just the side of the head. It's not some magical circle that you have to put down for whatever reason. The side plane of the skull is the circle, and you need to study the skull to understand the spacing between parts

You don't draw floating Chad's and Stacie's, don't you?

>>6686671
I realised the issue has to do with needing to practice drawing cylinders, because the two side circles are just two sides of a cylinder. I'll practice studying the skull when I get to that point, but thanks anon

>>6686674
no prob. it takes a long time and a lot of effort to draw even simple stuff, so don't stress

>>6686661
I like her diamond-shaped tramp stamp.

>>6686684
huge improvement on the face, from your previous drawings

>>6686485
anon, I am also struggling with animu face desu~
I am considering getting a bunch of blank head models in different rotations to help practice desu~
would you like to practice together desu-ka~?

>>6686688
Thanks.

I inked it just so I wouldn't mess it up later lol

>up to texture and detail in drawabox
>no clue how to proceed, not a single word clicks with me, cant do the exercise
I hope it wasn't important, because i have to skip that bullshit

>>6686019
Thing is, there isn’t really a “best”. Not everyone works the same way, which is why there’s so many different methods to begin with. You gotta sit down and try out different ones to get a better idea for what works for you. I’d personally recommend Vilppu as he goes over several different ways to construct the figure, but you also check out Hampton, Loomis, etc.

>>6686552
besides studying the perspective rules, you can try breaking down the figure into simpler forms that are easier to draw and position in perspective. also, drawing the orthogonal views can help you see the proportions in each dimension.

>>6686378
>>6686379
>>6686737
very based! Feel the form!

hands too smol
pose sucks
boots are fucked
outline on the magazine from tryna fix it
the scimitar is just goofy
miss anything else?

blu

(Never posted hope the image isnt bad)

So basically this and another image are my last drawings of the month, I stoped drawing for a long time, , but I saw a kim jung gi video and got mesmerized! i want to be able to draw from imagination, I am not against reference, but I do want to get better at recalling what I see, been practicing some fundies on perspective too and a little of imagination work, what you see in this images are a mix of imagination, image drawing, and life drawing I am better at image drawing, sometimes by fluke I can make something good by imagination, and my memory almost always sucks, thanks for the critique I will grind out whatever advise you give!

Oh the image was bad ._. Well I dont know how to fix it, if you want to see a picture I can post it individually.

I think I improved a lot on faces atm just side faces but I still suck at drawing them from life. I dont want to draw super realistic, i like anime, and also kim jungs more stylized work, what should I practice? Should I keep doing faces? Should I only do fundamentals idk kind of lost but really enjoying the process and jumping around a little bit, I just dont want to stagnate

>>6686775
Very nice, I love the sketch of the girl drawing by clipboard! It feels very observed but stylised

I could use any glaring mistakes pointed out

>>6686605
I think the ears are too high, mhhh also the illumination in the eyes looks kind of weird I would tell you to practice eyes, everything else looks fine to me I would just five a little more of line variety, lines in shadow are generally thicker.

>>6686791
It really depends on what you were trying to achieve, as a cartoon looks good, the only things that look weird to me are the neck ataching to shoulders, and the sleeve doesnt quite look like it is wrapping around the arm, it looks super imposed as if it was 2d, I like the epression, and the hair, mhh the right inferior part of the hair has a diminishmnet of thickness for no apparent reason. that is it, also good colors and shadows!

How's this
just critique me like you're writing an argument paragraph

>>6686592
I think it looks great, I wouldnt delete it, if you kept working on it, maybe you wont win, but wou will learn a lot, and get a cool piece at the end

>>6686330
I like the colors on this one, pretty nice anatomy and shine on the metallic parts!

>>6686819
perspective seems alright but anatomy is lacking, the right shoulder seems minuscule in relation to the size of the arms and neck, they must harmonize, I would reference some other anime characters with a similar build to correct the shoulders, or even not anime, the eyes in particular eyelashes look bad, like an after tought reference them too, there are like a million anime lashes to choose from, also light is confusing why is the neck the brightest area? I gotta say your weapons look great perspective wise, the green part in the arrow could be better described shape wise.

>>6686535
I love this style! water movement could help it but you probably already know that, do you have more that you can post?

>>6686645
>>6686822

Thanks

>>6686833
References, Perspective study and lighting.
Aight gotcha. Will go look at some of em.
Lighting is harder than the other 2 to learn desu so do you have any recc for that or just read/watch alot of guides?

>>6686839
me when I forgor typing in anatomy studies.

>>6686839
well you could always download a posing app on your phone, some free ones even have light or use this technique but I think it is hard to draw in perspective of the light lol

>>6686845
i remember reading this tweet and not being able to conceptualize this in my head at all
but now i get it
huh

>>6686845
That is genius, saved

>>6686845
That's a tip I kinda followed but I guess my mental mind just doesnt process the shape well
Also posing app for anatomy and lighting at same time? is that possible?
Bit sidetracked but are the lines alright? I just never felt good with lines, all wobbly and mostly even like that.

>>6686752
I think the mask/head should be a bit larger and more well defined and higher contrast. So basically more white space and crisp, thick, outer contours with only the most crucial of details in the white space of the mask. Cool sketch, keep it up

>>6686860
Oh I checked my apps you are right in magic poser the light feature is paid only, if you have a little experience with 3D you could use blender with a basic model from mixamoo, and apply lights yo your hearths content, if you dont have experience you could probably do it with a few tutorials

Well i was going to draw self portraits for a month but i stopped after the second, now a month later I tried to draw some guy off of /p/. Certainly beats my self portraits but still looks bad. >>>/p/4183526

>>6686814
NTA, but curious what you mean by the neck attaching to the shoulders being wrong. Isn't the trapezius muscle doing just that?

>>6686379
Unironically went to NMA to cop one and they're down to the last one in stock, anons if you're on the fence and have 80(!!!) some odd dollars now is your chance

>>6686662
highly expressive figures!

I know there's other stuff to fix here as well, but the shoulder further back irks me. The approximate arm location considered, should the shoulder be visible? To me it looks like the torso just ends at the chest right now.
This is what I get when drawing straight from imagination without any kind of reference, I get blind or draw myself into a deadend lol

>>6686462
then learn dude

>>6686462
Learn to draw first, you need a lot of drawing experience before you dive in. When you're ready Richard Williams' Animatior's Survival Kit is pretty much the universal starting point

i hate all of you, woman-lovers, it's so fucking hard to find decent male photos to study from

>>6686614
I vote for this

cat

am i drawing yet

>following youtube course over some days to actually get drawing
>going good so far i think
>get to this part
>what

'Best book for beginners' my ass

>>6686370
suffering

>>6686740
Thanks, time to give it another go

>>6687035
why tho?

>>6687044
i am beginner and it no workey for me so im blaming the book

>>6687030
Can you link the video? Otherwise, I think you are doing ok, I am guessing that you begin with a doodle shape and then you make it 3d, for that, I would begin with simpler shapes then at the end I would challenge myself.

>>6687053
https://youtu.be/K5AV42mgAe0
Those shapes in that image are his examples, btw. I just dont really know how to work with that. Do I just draw some blobby shape and try to replicate it to make a 3d shape? And what about the shading? Idk a damn thing about that stuff.

Rate my shading

>>6687055
Do not click this link! It caused my youtube recs to become nothing but “the best way to improve your art in 30 days” clickbait

>>6687060
oh dear, im sorry anon, try watching some cocomelon videos to get it back to what it was before.

>>6686884
oh god no blender posing
tho does the poser help with anatomy

>>6686995
Going through the krenz perspective course, I see. You clearly put more into it than I did

>>6686845
I thought everyone did that in their head already? Just think about the lightsource as straight lines from a point where it comes from and imagine where it hits the character, like arrows

>>6687014
No, 250 more. Then 250 boxes. Then 250 cylinders. Then study perspective with the golden ratio and calculus. Then Study black holes and how gravitation bends light. Then run simulations to reproduce every single atom in the universe virtually and maybe then MAYBE then you're allowed to draw.

>>6686008
horse

>>6687147
>250 more
ok well i just did 25 on one page so im halfway there

>>6686996
hey fujo, looks like you got the wrong thread
>>>/ic/cbsg is two threads down

>>6687179
I think that's just a fag

Suggestions are always welcome.

>>6687055
Lmao, I thought it were yours.
Watching the video, it's quite a jump from day 5 to day 6, so I did a simple example to help you. Also, the shading is just to say where the form turn.

I know I'm not gonna make it but art is fun and cool.

should i do it??? i want to feel the form….

also the is just the last unsigned one, there’s still the signed ones which i’m tempted to get one of…

>>6687149
That's an awesome reference pic. Also really hard to do, good luck with that anon. Keep at it buddy.

>>6687120
Love this anon. Nice

>>6686343
This isnt even the the channel owner's artwork dawg. If you actually read the description, it was one of his students artwork lmao. Even still, that art is still better than 100% of the art you see on this board.

This is his (Kenzo's) actual art.

>>6687008
Damn hot saved.

sketching is fun but trying complete it drains my motivation since i have to fix everything

>>6686837
Thanks anon.
I posted this one a week ago, though this one took much longer while the one I posted here was just a 20 minute thing.
I'm not sure how to make water look right. I got the reflections and stuff, but the water still looks... still lol

>>6687256
finished it

>>6686416
got lazy near the end but i think it turned out alright

>>6686500
this is what eating snickers does to you

I will never feel the form.

https://youtu.be/gFNdlGDEELw

>>6687311
i feel this

>>6687227
>but art is fun and cool
And that is why you have already made it.

>>6687248
Gonna make it bros

What are good /beg/ subjects ? I'm doing Brent Eviston week 1 and I need to draw some simple objects.

>>6687255
I like the way Kenzo constructs the torso first.

>>6687047
skipping to FWAP? Post some drawrings.

Drew a cool skull from photo ref. Did the shading and lineart all myself, any critique?

crazy people will sit here reccing marc brunet and ethan becker but shit on kenzo... advanced crabbing

>>6687374
Good bait, I recc the three, and also Proko and Bucci, multiple sources win against a copy of one dude.

>>6687279

>>6687374
>ethan becker
massive queer

>>6687379
I know its not that great, but I just wanted do do something quick

>>6686614
if u build it, will they draw?

>>6687375
yeah its fine having more than one thing to study from but your choices are terrible, thats the point lol... iq of a marc/ethan shill

>>6687396
>anon says my choices are terrible
>i chose krenz
>therefore, krenz is terrible
It's over krenzbros

>>6687404
very true because DaB is the best resource and its all you need.

>>6687120
inshallah krenzbro

>>6686995
>>6687120
whats the krenz course bros and is in one of the generals to nab?

>>6687501
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-Persp-Course-ad3bf41d23a846bc8077b06fa56b8881

>>6687366
i deleted the shitty keys exercises and i cant draw if im not told exactly what to do so i have nothing to post

>>6687509
unlucky, guess you'll just have to draw them again to pyw

Feeling shitty. I got time to practice, but everything I've done this weekend has been unsatisfying. I was sick yesterday and wasted half the day getting better. I already did physical exercise today and clipped my nails. I got a couple hours before I can even think about going to bed and I don't want to waste it, but my brain feels like mush and everything I did was like shit I did months ago, I mean it's bad.

>>6687511
Im not going back to keys again that shitter made me feel like a caveman fuck you

How does this look? Tried copying this from Loomis' books.

>>6687537
Yikes anon, that sucks. Little suggestion, maybe it will help, go draw for like, 5 min, a doodle even, doesn't matter, just make sure you have a non-zero day, because when you can draw on your worst days, that means you can make it.

>>6687237
If you have to ask, no. Books are helpful, but YouTube is free. If that much money is even a consideration, it's too much.
Now if you can just drop 50-70 bucks on lunch without blinking then you shouldn't be asking, you should already have ordered it and tell us how much it helped.

>>6687545
well it's a start not good but not that bad, keep on grinding

>>6687548
>non zero day
That's the thing. What I did do came out so shitty I'd have felt better off I hadn't. It's like when you're hungry for too long and pig out on shitty food. Now you're full but you still want to eat good food.

I think I'll unironically copy sailor moon screen shots.

Can't be that hard, can it?

i feel like pawal right now, i've been working on a personal perspective/bg drawing for a few days now instead of doing shit i want to do
i just feel like i HAVE to finish it at this point

>>6686535
really nice anon

>tfw cannot decide on eye style because typical anime one looks soulless while other feel out of place or aren't pretty
WHEN THAT BULLSHIT WILL STOP?

>>6687227
That looks fucking great, it might not be anatomically and technically top notch correct but who cares when you have such a strong style to carry it?
Keep at it, you're doing great!

>>6687369
More contrast would add more shape to it

>>6686978
pls respond i showed u my sketch

Uggh. Apparently, it can be pretty hard. I can't even draw a cartoon today for shit.

The forms...I need to feel them...I need to breath then...I need to..become the form..need to draw..10000 beans..

>>6687608
Where did you get a picture of me
fucking glowniggers

>>6687585
It all depends on the angle you want to draw, but I would draw a little bit of the shoulder.

>>6687179
i post my studies here and the finished stuff on cbsg

did this in a 10 min trancelike state. think the face is subconsciously based on brendan schaub

>>6687629
Very cool, looks like a rusty sculpture

>>6687612
I'm watching you right now, nice dick. Next drawing will be more detailed.

Should probably try to plan a bit before just going to town with an ink pen while turbodrunk

>>6687632
thanks anon. had no idea what I was going for with the orange, just went over a couple of the facial contours on a whim and decided to extend a line over the whole image. glad it was evocative of something

>>6687606
decided to moon as well

watched afro samurai again

>>6687540
Drawing is actual work, ya know.
If you can't stand going outside of your comfort zone for even KTD then this hobby probably isn't for you.
Like the majority of you permabeg complainers all suffer from the same disease where you immediately throw in the towel as soon as you have to do something "hard" like measure with your eyes.

Why is drawing cubes so fucking hard

>>6687250
thanks

>>6687677
fuck ya

>>6687683
This, when it get's hard you know you're actually learning. The brain only learns when you do something that requires actual effort.

You won't build muscles when you always lift the same amount of weight.

>>6686703
cute

Gesture based on Hampton
I really like how he streamlines the whole process

>>6687705
Form status: Felt

>>6687718
Needs more midriff

>>6687725
I should have added a comment here. I know the head tilt is way off but I'm trying to emulate the mood of early renaissance art with this study. I haven't picked up a pencil in year and these last five posts are the result.

>>6687035
My opinion. Not so much of the book, but of the people who keep shilling it.

>>6687714
Your drawings are nice, but that's not why I'm replying.
I find it interesting that I can see your construction lines and they don't line up with what your actually did. In fact, I think of you did follow them (the way I I'm understanding them) it would look wrong.
Care to comment? Am I just not understanding the lines?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'M CUUUUUUUUUBIIINNGG AAAAAA

>>6687738
How's art school going?

why do my colors look so boring compared to the colors in this study i did??? i’m guessing it’s saturation but i’m not 100 sure

>>6687745
>construction lines
I'm not sure. Just used them as a general guide. I might not be perfectly accurate with the browline I think. I'm sort of new to the Loomis method.

>>6687723
more like picrel

Is there some sort of path that's recommended to take? Brainlet here and I kind of feel like I'm just drawing doodles.

>>6687786
There is something called a sticky
https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q

>>6687790
like I said I'm a brainlet, thanks anon

>>6687790
Jesus I hope no one actually follows the advice in this kek. Did some shill just randomly put it in the OP and no one noticed how bad it is?

>>6687763
>(((school)))
The other day I listened to a pod cast where James Gurney really subtly shits on art schools for 90 minutes. He does it with such class that the hosts couldn't call him out on it.

>>6687808
Pretty sure you can edit it? I haven't even read the thing, but all guides have problems anon, if you have a better way, you could put on there.

>>6687808
Instead of shitting on it, tell us why you think that way.

>>6687766
I'm only asking because I can never get it to work the way it's supposed to. It looks like you did the lines l, then ignored them and just drew what looked right. It's kind of what I've been doing and I'm really questioning the whole method. I think it's one of those things that works for some people and not others.

>>6687808
>>6687848
>>6687845
I think it's a case of "something is better than nothing." As with anything and especially something as subjective as art, nothing is going to be universally true and helpful. I read that thing a year ago and forgot it existed. It's okay. It's a good crash course in what to expect. Obviously you shouldn't take it literally. If they're was an ideal regimen for learning art, it would immediately become obsolete because everyone who used it would produce the exact same shit. It's not like working in a factory.

>>6687790
>>6687848
>>6687853
As it stands the google doc is better. This one is neither well organized nor concise. The author spends too much time making anecdotes, never gets to the point. And why is the main 25% of this a figure drawing guide? You should cut some of the gay conversational shit and explain what "studies" are instead of just linking FZD videos.

>>6687853
Yeah, it's not like art is that "hard", that is, it's concepts aren't hard, you can boil down the fundamentals in like, 2 hours tops, the hard part is to actually do art and get better at it, not to learn it.

>>6687862
>And why is the main 25% of this a figure drawing guide?
Have you seem this thread? There are only like 2 anons doing perspective, the rest is all figure drawing.

>>6687849
What way is it supposed to work?

how are my gestures

>>6687718
>>6687723
>>6687773
Seriously though. Any advice on how to give her more of a belly?

are these characters ugly? or maybe too complicated for animation? any tips comments or questions are appreciated.

>>6687865
I feel pretty uncomfortable trying to do lots of drawings without learning perspective first desu
It's like, ok cool you can copy this one drawing, now what?

>>6687877
Remember SpongeBob? This is him now. Stunning and brave.

Looks cute bro nice style. Don't know about animation though, ask the specialists in the general.

This is my first time drawing a vehicle

>>6687865
The first time he mentions perspective is in the figure drawing construction section, and it's "oh btw you should learn perspective first."

>>6687877
I'm gonna be 100% honest with you.
I hate everyone except the purple haired one.
They are unappealing for me.
They would be easy to animate on a flash-type animation though.

>>6687839
where is this
link

>>6687862
>explain what "studies" are instead of just linking FZD videos.
This is pretty damning, as a beginners guide, that it says "if you're a beginner, ignore all this and do studies for two months" and then hands the reins off to a video that also doesn't really explain anything.

>>6687877
i think the colors are a bit too saturated, otherwise i think the characters are cute

Draw and then fix the parts you don't like with help. This is a general advise I give to someone who is struggling. Have some self critique and be as harsh as you can with yourself.
If you like what you do, then do it though, you don't need help.

How do I not fall into the eternal beg trap, or the only grind fundies and draw boxes trap? I get that you need to learn basic shapes and stuff, but when do you know that you can stop?

>>6687909
>When do I stop?
You don't, you have to separate learning and practicing from doing art that you want to do.

>>6687910
False statement. You can do what you want and learn while doing so.

>>6687909
how about drawing ur own stuff alongside grinding the fundies

>>6687875
crotch gotta come down so there's room

>>6687918
thank you

big chonkers

>>6687937
Abonga.
Watch out for her pelvis

>>6686740
Damn, this is tough. My mind keeps trying to fight me on where the gestures go. Is there some way to be more clear on these things?

>>6687949

>>6687886
>Looks cute bro nice style
thank you!! spongebob comparisons make me melt for some reason.

>>6687892
thank you for the honesty! do you have any specifics that throw you off? i know I have a funky style.

>>6687906
thank you! i do get color comments a lot, it's something I've been working on. do you think their overall color schemes are good?

pic related is the main two again, left is June and right is Jupiter. in the op pic the one in green is Jackie, and the purple-haired one is Sia. they are all from my show concept.

>>6687944
tried to even it up a bit
I guess it's time to actually study the pelvis

2 minute gesture drawings, trying to feel the form

Did a copy of a dana girl and added some inkwash, any critiques?

>>6687965
>any specifics that throw you off
Mostly the colors, but there are some that doesn't look appealing from the start, like the rainbow one.
The purple one compensates by having colors that aren't so shocking to the eyes and doesn't make you have a headache,
The blue one could be much better by just making her a good haircut and soothing the blue and purple.

>>6687969
>>6687875
booba

I've been doing some upside down drawings today and I wanted to ask how to incorporate the idea when doing regular subjects ? How do I not switch back to my preconceived notions ?

>>6688011
try not to see the subject but only lines and curves and only concentrate on their angles and where they connect. If you see a hand while drawing a hand you will fail.

>>6687564
i finished it
now i can take my meds(map)

>>6688004
thanks for the redline bro I will study it

>>6687149
horse source?

>>6687969
Redliner Booba Bro >>6688004 beat me to it.
But here it is anyway. I wasn't sure if you actually wanted to pose her in an slanted hip stance. So I did an example on the side, along with a basic "system" to figure out the perspective and construction if you go for a dynamic angle or pose. It is not much but I hope it helps.
There's a RedLine General here >>6650734

>>6688033
yeah not so much slanted but angled pretty far backwards.
Thanks also

>>6687683
Makes sense sure but how am i gonna learn if i cant get anywhere. All its doing is giving me a headache, im not learning fuck all.
>"hard" in quotation marks
well if its so damn easy then you explain how to get past it

>>6688047
You get past it by doing it. Practicing.
Stop being such a weenie and push yourself

>>6688047
You gotta fight for the things you want anon. Maybe you should get into some spiritual cult for coping with failure, so you can move on and be happy in other ventures. But drawing is easy enough to learn it good, and also it is a lot of fun.

>>6688029
It wasn't very high rez sorry

Do you guys have a routine for when you practice or do you just do it whenever? Recently started a new job after being without one for a while and want to become more disciplined. I was thinking an hour or two before work would be enough to get the gears going then after work I could refine/learn from what I did that morning. Or just work on it either way

The legs are killing me. I think they look awkward. Worst thing is I did the pose IRL and I think this is more or less how they should go.

>>6687712
Holy fuck for real?
That's the nicest comment I got on /ic/

>>6688118
>I did the pose IRL
You had your shoulders flat against the ground and were still somehow able to prop your head up with your arm?

any loomers here?
sometimes it feels like i’m the only one who likes loomis' vintage pinup style

Just a daily reminder to copy as accurately as you can from your favorite artist/artstyle. Download sketchbooks from those artists and copy every single fucking sketch. Then do it again. You will learn so so so SO much doing this. You will learn how forshortening in every position of the body works, how proportions work, everything. Don't learn anatomy, just fucking copy, literally everyone that is a god at drawing learned it that way. Now go and draw.

If you like anime I highly recommend Yoh Yoshinari's Rough sketches

>>6688139
You won't find them here, only losers, no loomers. People that have read, understood, and studied loomis meticulously are long gone from /beg/ because they actually made it.

>>6688135
No, you are right. Thanks for pointing that out lol. I did raise my other shoulder to put the head in position.

>>6688143
>from your favorite artist/artstyle
God damnit i dont know any artists
also i dont know how to copy

>>6688051
At least tell me i can skip the dudes stupid ramblings
>>6688068
>But drawing is easy enough to learn it good
Easy for you, maybe.
>and also it is a lot of fun
When i git gud it'll probably be fun but right now holy shit my head and arm ache

>>6688173
then you're pre beg and you need to start learning to copy acurately >>> https://youtu.be/kbKqIJcIUCw?t=1631

Images to copy : https://files.catbox.moe/tklkj8.rar

>>6688178
>>6688143
Thank you Kim Jung 4chan I will now follow your advice instead of advice from masters such as Vilppu and Loomis. Thank you!

>>6688123
okay now add anatomy on those figure drawings

>>6688178
>video
Awwww man now i gotta read
Anyway i really appreciate the images to copy. I never know where to get refereces from so thats super helpful. Thanks.
>>6688187
>Vilppu
>just feel the form bro
how.. er... helpful??
>loomis
>first you draw a circle
>now draw the rest

>>6688143
thanks anon just bought his book coming tomorrow

>>6688187
Vilppu and loomis are one step above practicing to copy accurately, if you can't copy some lines, you shouldn't start with vilppu or loomis

NEW THREAD
>>6688225
>>6688225
>>6688225

>>6688118
I hope you see this.

>>6688118
I hope you can see this and helps. It's a tricky pose actually

>>6686645
Is that pic an elaborate banepost?