/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I feel like perspective is a never ending battle. I decided to work through Norling's Perspective Made Easy and then the Dongho Kim book. About 1/2 through Norling and the X and Y axis for vanishing points makes sense, it imitates what we see and all, but fuck me running my brain can't force my hands to do the thing properly. And then he starts on cylinders and I guess I'm full up on learning for the day (yesterday) because it all went in and out without a bit of info really sticking. I'm going back to Vilppu beans until I can free up space to process more perspective bricks.

>>6683111
nice OP pic

Can someone help?
I can't figure out the proper size and shape of the arm at this angle.

I want to draw some proper armpits but I am struggling with proportions at this angle

>inb4 head too big
Character is meant to be 14 year old

>>6683159

>>6683159
pedo

>>6683163
Sorry, I just chase the clout

>>6682633
another day another rock

>>6683169
Where da cute faces?

>>6683196
Just look in the mirror bro

Should I pretend my lines are going in and out of the paper when I draw? Is focusing on that the trick to be able to draw forms?

>>6683111
My favorite drawing so far

What do you think?

>>6683209
Better lighting

Judge picrel, tell me what's wrong or could be improved. I want to reaffirm or challenge my views.
>>6683209
darkest and lightest values arent apart enough. Your darks aren't dark enough and whites not white enough so the planes kind of blend together.

when do i get to draw humans

>>6683216
whenever you want

>>6683210
Excellent! You really convey a sense of space. Was this sketched from life?

>>6683220
Wow the entirety of that image flew right over my head? What is any of that? When am i gonna get to draw humans

>>6683255
>Wow the entirety of that image flew right over my head? What is any of that?
construction

>When am i gonna get to draw humans
... whenever you want

>>6683210
Hello mr Da vinci, big fan

>>6683259
>construction
yeah okay now what is any of that
>... whenever you want
oh my mistake, when am i gonna draw GOOD humans. Y'know, the not stick figure type.

>>6683263
>when am i gonna draw GOOD humans
what's stopping you? reference photos of humans are free

>>6683263
>oh my mistake, when am i gonna draw GOOD humans. Y'know, the not stick figure type.
Just start now anon
>you have to learn how to do the skeleton properly >you have to learn how to do muscles properly
>you have to learn how to-
Just draw man. Do musicians learn every chord or scale before they write a song? No. so just start drawing humans now, eventually you'll learn. Art is all about persistence.

>>6683263
>oh my mistake, when am i gonna draw GOOD humans. Y'know, the not stick figure type.
When you pick up your pencil and start practicing drawing the human figure with basic fundamentals you will be on your way to drawing good humans. You will have to draw a lot of crap before you get to something even passably ok. There is no other way around it. Read sticky, and work on your bridgman, loomis, morpho, or w/e and avoid 'draw a box', because that is where /begs/ go to quit.

>>6683263
you're annoying

>>6683159
things i noticed about the arm:

>the arm is longer than the forearm, they should be the same length
>the armpit would look better if you only did the line by half
>the hand looks too small so it’s throwing off the arm in general

also i was about to say something about the tits being too big for a 14 year old then i remembered my friends little sister… rip she’s always complaining about back pain…

drew the rock from last thread, might add more faces if I feel like it

fo drawing characters, which fundamental should i focus on first, gesture, anatomy, or perspective?

i’m sick of the head shots and stiff bodies that i usually draw, i’m done running away from my responsibilities i just need to start somewhere…

>>6683269
uh, sure i guess quickposes has a random pose thingy, that'll work. But how do I use them?
>>6683275
>just draw man
With this advice, i will be drawing stick figures for the next decade, HOW do i draw humans?
>>6683281
>Read sticky, and work on your bridgman, loomis, morpho, or w/e and avoid 'draw a box', because that is where /begs/ go to quit.
Wow! You've described the exact opposite of what I can actually use, I cant do books at all, and drawabox is the only structured thing that works for me. Good job anon.
>>6683283
you're a poop nose

>>6683293
you can find any book for free online if moneys the problem, and if you just don’t like books then there’s plenty of videos on yt on pretty much any topic, if you want help finding one then give me a topic and i can try to find one for you

>>6683293
>With this advice, i will be drawing stick figures for the next decade, HOW do i draw humans?
Holy shit dude how are you this dense. Don't draw stick figures, draw humans. Here, draw this

>>6683293
fyi the quick poses thing is mostly for gesture drawing which is helpful but you can also do figure drawing if that’s more interesting to you

>>6683293
PET THE FUCKING DOG.

>>6683302
>if you want help finding one then give me a topic and i can try to find one for you
Idk what topics there are man but thanks anyway.
>>6683305
>how are you this dense
How was I meant to not draw stick figures with the ""just draw"" bullshit?
>pic
Hes wearing a lot of shit thats kinda obstructing. But ok, i'll try to remember how to copy things
>>6683306
>mostly for gesture drawing
They are photos of humans. Do they not work as references? I dont know where else to look.
>which is helpful but you can also do figure drawing
No thanks on the gesture drawing, I tried that before and it didnt go over well. But what's figure drawing about?
>>6683307
HOW

>>6683314
>Hes wearing a lot of shit thats kinda obstructing.
You draw that shit too.

>>6683314
>Hes wearing a lot of shit thats kinda obstructing. But ok, i'll try to remember how to copy things
Thats good actually. You shouldnt just draw naked figures cause everyone uses clothes, so you should learn how to draw that

>>6683307
FUCK YOU
>I tried that before and it didnt go over well
KEEP FUCKING DOING IT UNTIL IT DOES

>>6683314
Are you ok with posting your progress in this board? You can do it here and ask for redlines >>6650734
Those guys don't say shit, they just redline and give advice. No prob.

>>6683314
>But what's figure drawing about?
from what i can understand it can be about as detailed as you want. it seems to be in the range of basic forms/construction but i’ve seen some examples that have more detailed muscles.

as a beginner i would just learn the basic construction of the body and try to do that. also most fishier drawings tend to build off of gesture kinda like a second step so if you really want to you can do the fastest more simplified gesture then just move on to the figure

>>6683314
FUCK YOU
>I tried that before and it didnt go over well
KEEP FUCKING DOING IT UNTIL IT DOES

>>6683327
This. There is no other advice you need except “try to figure out what specifically is wrong” before you try again.

make sure to respond to the same troll every thread!!! thatll do something!!!

>>6683340
fr

>>6683320
>>6683321
I just kinda figured it'd be better to try and grasp the actual human form first, then try slapping on clothes on top of that. Dunno though. Again, i'll try.
>>6683323
Not really, i mean i've posted the boxes and other shit i've done before but full figures might be too embarrassing for me, even on an anonymous imageboard.
>>6683325
>would just learn the basic construction of the body
So how would I do that? I mean i've seen people use construction, good ol box skeletons, but idk how to make them. Hell i can barely draw a good box, did you see that first one I posted?
>you can do the fastest more simplified gesture then just move on to the figure
I understand none of that.
>>6683327
>be me
>a couple months ago
>trying gesture because I heard it was important
>post results
>"no its wrong do it like this"
>"feel the flow, feel the form"
>wtf are these people talking about
>try again
>"FEEL THE FLOW, FEEL THE FORM"
>"do basic anatomy and proportions before gesture"
>ok guess im just not ready, i'll quit it for now

>be me today
>say i stopped doing gesture
>"NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT"
Duality of man.

>>6683340
>>6683345
Anons. We are in /Beg/. People here are stupid, there's probably never been a troll in the first place.

>>6683345
on god, frfr

>>6683348
Gesture is a shit meme for beginners, but a drawing going poorly isn't a sign something went wrong, just a sign you need to do more of it.

But it also sounds like you're trying to draw things that aren't there, like drawing the naked body of a clothed figure. Don't do that. Draw exactly what you see.

>>6683348
>expecting to get it right instantly
That's where you've made the mistake. It's a constant process where you continue practicing, find someone to point out your mistakes, and correct them, it's won't be done in an instant.

>>6683348
>I just kinda figured it'd be better to try and grasp the actual human form first, then try slapping on clothes on top of that. Dunno though. Again, i'll try.
thats good, try. Just doing gesture or figures is a beginners trap. Why? because its boring and fuck and its actually hard to tell when youre improving or learning if at all.

>>6683352
>>6683353
Hang on, when did I say either of those things? First off, with the clothes I was just talking about using a different reference, not drawing something totally different from what the reference actually is. I know how to draw what I see, I just dont know how to get started with copying all that well.
As for gesture. I didnt say I expected to get it right, either. I said I was told not to do it until i knew how to draw the human form.

>>6683355
>because its boring and fuck and its actually hard to tell when youre improving or learning if at all.
oh, dont try and pretend like that doesnt describe all of art. Come now.

>>6683360
>oh, dont try and pretend like that doesnt describe all of art. Come now.
You shouldn't normally be bored in these creative endeavors, anon

>>6683348
for how to do the construction of the body
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EIkbX7HuUCI

it might seem too complex but try a do a few of them and see how you feel

>Hell i can barely draw a good box
this is the part where practice comes in. just try to just basic form at different angles and if that’s too hard then try to use references, (3d models are helpful for that) just make sure to practice some from imagination too

>>6683363
Eh, I wouldn't call it boring, but I wouldn't really call the process of drawing fun and exciting either. It's just something you do, and there are some aspects that are nice and some that are tedious. Creative endeavors sound nice on the surface but it involves a lot of repetitive practicing and struggle.

>>6683364
forgot to add this but using photos for reference then constructing what you see.

and if that’s too difficult then try and trace over the references and after that try and draw the same reference without tracing

tracing isn’t cheating as long as
>your doing it to learn
>you don’t claim it as your own work

>>6683363
At this point, yes. Yes I should. Im not drawing my goals, im not creating what I find fun at the moment, so im not having fun.
>>6683364
>>6683369
Well shit, theres something i can actually try and use for once. Thanks anon.

>>6683371
>Yes I should. Im not drawing my goals, im not creating what I find fun at the moment, so im not having fun.
Yes!! Exactly anon! I'm glad you reached this conclusion. Now go ahead and do what you want to do until you achieve it

>>6683162
The figure is good. But I don't know why many times, anons corner themselves on canvas size, when a digital medium let you have all the room you need. Open the canvas, let your figure breath man.

>>6683371
i’m glad i could help :D

>>6683373
>Now go ahead and do what you want to do until you achieve it
You realise, what you've said here is just "UHH JUST DRAW GOOD LOL". the point is I want to draw WELL. I could draw the characters I like in an attempt to have fun, but if I draw them shittily, which I will, it's only going to upset me more than anything else. So no, as of current, it is not possible to have fun drawing for me.

>post porn on twitter
>get a shit ton of followers
>happy
>realize everyone is ignoring my non coom art and retweeting my old lewd pic
Bros…

>>6683380
No, you didnt get the point you dense motherfucker. How can you still not get it after so many replies. Piss off.
Last (You) make it count

>>6683384
congratulations, you reduced yourself to the level of an AI artist

>>6683384
those are evidently the types of people who think only with their dicks, don’t worry about them too much…

wip that i used reference for, any thoughts? i’ve been trying to get in the habit of using references haha

>>6683386
>How can you still not get it after so many replies.
What. If you're not gonna spell it out for me what the fuck is the point in saying that shit? Sure maybe I dont get it, fucking tell me then.

>>6683380
You realize you're going to have a shit ton of terrible drawings especially if you're a beginner, you just have to grind through it

>>6683410
Yea, fucking.. I KNOW. He was saying to have fun drawing, im explaining that i cant until i draw well. I dont expect to draw good out the gate. Fucking read the damn thread.

>>6683416sage
>read the damn thread.
no I'm not going to read your retarded whining
grab a fucking book, stop doing draw a shitty gay box learn to enjoy the process and celebrate small victories or fucking kill yourself you monkey
simple as

>>6683422
>no I'm not going to read your retarded whining
Well you know if you did you'd know that
>grab a fucking book
and
>stop doing draw a shitty gay box
Are the exact opposite of me, and you wouldn't've made that dumbass reply.

>>6683394
Is working for me. The figure is solid. Keep grinding man. Learn those shapes. It's good stuff.

>>6683433
HOT

>>6683433
is this lunaticsoda? posting something that isn't a scribble? did he finally make it?

>>6683433
i don’t draw coom so i won’t redline it… but that definitely isn’t how boobs work

also rip her back, she’s way too slim to be constantly carrying those milk jugs… but i won’t judge too much, some people are into that ig

>>6683435
>>6683433
Samefag hang yourself

>>6683290
damn that looks amazing love the face lmao how long did it take you?

>>6683169
gondola chad.... I kneel.

For this thread, lets draw the söy rocks

>>6683429
>Posts in the thread complaining
>Gets suggestions and advice
>Continues complaining
>Gets spoonfed
>Continues complaining
Why do people like you post at all?

where should i start on drawing hands?????? i’m sick and tired of drawing funky nubs but u have no clue where to even begin

>>6683457
Loomis

>>6683455
Nigger someone who didnt read the thread antagonized me of course im going to respond and call him dumb. Im doing the exact same shit again with this reply.

But also, lets see.
>Gets suggestions and advice
Where?
>Gets spoonfed
You're lucky i was even able to gather anything from the people here, normally that doesnt happen. I dont know what you guys consider good advice, but most of it doesnt work for me.

>>6683457
I got you anon
https://youtu.be/XBMQ-H-qUVk

>6683460
>He's still complaining

Did this yesterday
I'm learning basic anatomy, perspective and all that fun stuff
I can draw decent beg shit on paper but digital art is so hard
Also I cant paint, blending colors is hard as fuck

>>6683463
What.
What do you think complaining is?

>>6683465
this has soul

>>6683460
NTA, and I won't read the drama, so, could you help me help you: What have you found that worked for you?

>>6683467
Holy shit can you fuck off and draw instead why are you still here I replied to you hours ago

Is there a course for going from traditional to digital?

>>6683467
Move aside dude. There's people posting work and grinding. You're eating the threat and wasting resources from people actually doing stuff. Go draw boxes and do exercises, if you want to draw. If you don't want to, then, don't do it. Easy.

>>6683292
Gesture is good for fixing stiff figures.

>>6683465
it isn’t as bad as a lot of digital beginner work i’ve seen but you seem to be using that airbrush which tends to make things a bit goofy

but this is seriously amazing keep up the good work

>>6683470
I have two screens damnit i can do both
>>6683469
Just >>6683364 really. I dont get it entirely but theres a starting point I can work with.

Suggestions are always welcomed

>>6683486
awesome. I wish I could do all those figures like that in one single sheet of paper. You even fit hands studies too, wow.

>>6683450

>>6683458
>>6683462
thank you both for the advice! all this thinking about hands is making realize how screwed up mine are haha

>>6683484
Ok, sounds like you prefer structure first, like, build things in a simple way first, then finish them. I got some videos about structure, watch them, pick the one you prefer, and go draw.
https://youtu.be/iLIjD-5AgWU
https://youtu.be/6T_-DiAzYBc
https://youtu.be/-i0Xnp3wdZc

>draw everyday
>art still bad
It's gonna take me 2-3 years for my art to be good that's really sad

>>6683363
I hate this meme, it's a /beg/ mindset trap. Drawing for most adults IS boring until you're capable of creating something you aren't embarrassed of showing to people and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Art is not always fun, it's a lot of painful grinding that nobody, not even you most of the time, is going to want to see the efforts of.

>>6683440
>r-r-rip her ba-ACK
ngmi and low test fuck off

>>6683545
All practice is not fun, that's a well accepted thing in psychology, and makes sense because you are literally exercising your brain. But to say drawing in itself isn't fun, that means that you aren't playing with your art, you are just doing 1000 loomis heads and pretending it's all art is, when in reality, this is the practice part.

fuck hands

>>6683581
If you really want to study them well, you should work with pencil and gradually draw in layers, correcting your mistakes. Going directly in pen with no underdrawing is just begging to fail

Tried drawing the horse too
It was one of my fav things to draw years ago…
Looking at it now,i still have a lot to learn tho lfmao
>>6682560

>>6683596
Dumbass me forgot to unflip it back

>>6683486
Holy moly,these look awesome! Keep it up buddy!
I like the way it is going,the neck one in the right kinda scares me,but 1 won’t change all the other cool studies you did!

>>6683465
Amazing!!!
Your style have everything to work well,poses are on point,and the shading is good….
But i agree with that anon,maybe try practicing shading more!
Using airbrush is not necessarily bad imo,but dont be scared to try other brushs too!
I think you could also experiment with colors,but i can’t really judge…plus is only up to you!
Keep it up you too!

>>6683374
thx

>>6683285
I'm drawing Mami tomoe

>>6683537
Stop drawing snuff fetish and draw jesus maybe he will gift you with talent

>>6683581
Why yes, I fuck mine daily.

>>6683486
Very cool. gmi

>>6683610
>I'm drawing Mami tomoe

ahhh okay i thought this was either some fetish oc or just making the tits more overblown then they are in cannon (no offense to you that’s just what’s common on here)

also i love madoka magica i have a madoka magica poster on my wall right next to me haha

>>6683450
I tried the stones

ink on newsprint doodle of the day

>>6683214
I think the statue is very very good, honestly beyond most people here, and if i really had to nitpick the ear looks oddly wide and flat. I can't really tell what the background is supposed to be however, is that a tv?

>>6683449
thank you kindly, it took me around an hour

Went completely no draw today. I'm too good at wasting my NEET free time.

>>6683681
nice I like the shading

Is an tablet with or without display better for digital art?

new version of Manon sketch
what do you think

>>6683846
complete preference thing

no display is cheaper by leaps and bounds tho
also another thing with no display is that you need decent hand-eye coordination for it but i adjusted in about a day and my hand eye coordination is horrible normally so it isn’t that big a deal

the is picture of of my personal tablet, i bought it cause it was pink because i’m a pink girly monstrosity (if your a normal person and don’t like pink it also comes in black and green) but it’s seriously a good tablet. the pen feels nice to use and the texture on the screen is good, i also an obsessed with the button shortcuts.i bought it off the walmart website cause it was cheapest there ($50, it’s $60 on amazon) and i’m broke. seriously no complaints with it it’s excellent.
(i sound like im sponsored…)

haha you’ll need a not broke anon for advice on display tablets but if it’s not obvious i’m biased towards non display tablets

>>6683857
looks good, though the side bangs seem a bit weird and the hands are undefined and look like blocks.

>>6683857
looking good so far, keep up the good work

>>6683880
g-girl?

Funny-looking scull, made with an asian caligraphy brush

What does /int/ art look like?

>>6683880
Pink is pretty underrated honestly

>>6683846
As said, it's mainly prefernece. I bought one with a screen since I wanted to look at my hand and the drawing at the same time, after failing to adapt to a screenless one.
The pros use screened ones though, it might offer more presition idk

But the cost of using a screened is not only the high price, but you will most probably get backpains, and also they can break easier
Don't we have a thread for this?

>>6683857
Dude I liked the earlier one (is this one right?) >>6682444 MUCH MORE than this new one.
they are different, though, I hope you do both.

>>6683880
Thank you monstrosity for your advice

for anime, where does the thing of
>draw all hair originating from a single point
come from? it looks good but makes 0 sense to me

What's your figure drawing reference site of choice, /beg/? I know of like 3-4 commonly suggested ones but they always leave me wanting in some way I can't describe.

>>6683978
I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about - that's just kind of the appearance of hair? The cranium is sphere-ish so its like laying cloth over a soccer ball, it all drapes down from the highest point. Obviously the hair grows from all over the skull but the hair that grows higher up hangs down and overlaps the hair growing lower so it appears as continuous flow.

best construction method? Which do the japs use? Seems like everyone uses a different one

>>6684006
two words; personal preference.

the result is pretty similar either way, you just need to spend less time fussing over the construction method and just choose one and practice

>>6684006

>>6683982
I buy thousands of manga volumes and draw from those. It's the best figure drawing practice you can have. you get very exotic angles you'd never see in a life drawing classroom

Another option is to go to museums and draw from their paintings

WIP for today

>>6684053
looking good king

>>6683857
liked the sketch better.

"I know that I know nothing." - Me, rn

>>6684037
what's with the random hentai?

Where do I got to take commission for drawing people's fetishes?

>>6684129
That ain't hentai, that's Prison School.

>>6683457
i’m this anon, these are my first attempts at the hand grind, gonna try and practice them everyday tho it’ll probably end up as every other day cause i’m unmotivated lmao

also that video was an absolute godsend thank you anon

>>6684129
like the other guy said, Prison school is more of a lewd comedy than a hentai

not my drawing but practicing lineart

AAAAAAAAAAA I FUCKING HATTEEE MY LIFE AAAAAAAAAAA FUCK JUST DRAW DRAAAAAAAAAWWWWW WHY DON'T YOU DRAW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA TOO MUCH INFORMATION NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DRAW HOW TO DRAW RESULTS IN A MENTAL BLOCKADE AND YOU RATHER PLAY VIDEO GAMES FAGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

AAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6684120
Nice. Keep doing these man. Your head will memorize the shapes eventually. Keep at it.

>>6684159
What games you play anon?

>>6683111
I cant imagine the next pose when animating, is there a way to solve this?

>>6684120
now do the construction next to them without tracing and then hover it over the traced one to see if you werer accurate enough

>>6684163
Overwatch, classic wow, DayZ and when it launches blue protocol

>>6683613
>draw jesus

>>6684147
Great work man, it's great to see people doing what's right. Maybe you could vary details on the hands like doing gloved hands, robot hands, monster hands, puffy hands, weird hands, tattooed hands. That helps.

>>6684168
based

>>6684159
He's literally me...

>>6684168
this is still one of my favorite things to come out of /beg/, so much soul

How does one learn to be patient? Whenever I start a drawing It gets worse and worse the longer it takes because I want to be done quickly idk why I am like that

Why is it that the shitposters always come out at the same time everyday and why is it me?

>>6684180
SOVL

>>6684184
That's why you do exercises like the box challenge, and simple construction guides. But now you can do this >>6684120
Wich is great. Just pick images you like from games, characters, anime, whatever, put a white layer on top at low opacity and just trace them. All of them, as much as you can. It is a great exercise.

>>6684188
lol

some studies from today
>>6683292
take the vilppu pill brother

>>6684206
really nice bro, I wish you could share some of that eldritch knowledge with me

>>6684213
>>6684206
>take the vilppu pill brother

>>6683537
i like it you're pretty good. wanna become art frens? got discord?

>>6683548
i want to lick the tears off your face

>>6684213
the peepee gives me motivation to continue on the journey

>>6684147
Nice work, keep them going. Just a tip on brushes: I don't think this one you are using is the best for learning, it looks like it has heavy stabilization, which is ok, but not for learning. That is just a pet peeve of mine though.
On the subject of hands, don't be afraid of studying masters! Get a hand from an artwork that you like and study the crap of it, trace it, copy it, draw it blindfolded, that's the kind of thing that really helps beginners but they end up just copying.

>>6683450
dunno how to hatch these textured surfaces, it always comes out like dog

So, how do I approach a drawing? I usually attempt to first draw the rib cage, layer the muscles on top and then extend from there but there's got to be a more effective way.

>>6684246
do a sketch first?

Hello beg. Tilt your canvas, or horizon.

>>6684180
soul but flat
>>6684164
reference? something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/HSOMiD-Artists-Manikin-Mannequin-Decoration/dp/B07FLHJSYP/
>>6684157
i would put the eyes a bit closer to each other and add stealthy nipples protrusions, otherwise its lovely
>>6684132
fiver, any porn website with drawn stuff
>>6683846
>better
screenless is cheaper, doesnt give you spine damage. with screen it is portable (draw outside from real life) and some find it more intuitive. I have screenless one
>>6683683
that is VERY CLEAN and appealing doodle. i kneel
>>6683596
nice horsie. also you gave it eye of seduction
>>6683473
there are 99999 tutorials about how to use Y X Z drawing apps. these are essentially your "guide"
https://docs.krita.org/
>>6683465
this is cool
>>6683457
pick your poison i mean handbook
goodreads.com/book/show/52684297-morpho
goodreads.com/book/show/17885771-drawing-of-the-hand
goodreads.com/book/show/32288297-the-book-of-a-hundred-hands
goodreads.com/book/show/1045908.Drawing_Dynamic_Hands
>>6683384
i mean what did you expect? they want to see BOOBA. any picture without BOOBA might as well be invisible for the coomers. and i dont blame them. BOOOOOOOOBA
>>6683290
try making your brush bigger. right now you are basically painting, if you will use wider brush you will get same look but with less effort
>>6683214
very cool, i kneel. i think this is Michelangelo david, isnt it?
>>6683210
personally i would boost the contrast a little (either the pillars or the houses in background) to boost the depth but otherwise i kneel. this is like straight out of the old etched stuff you would see in the old books. pro tier
>>6683205
yes. feel the form. draw cross contours. draw a cube and then a cylinder. then hatch them. feel the surface of the 3d objects, follow that surface with your pen
>>6683118
it will never end if you keep switching courses and books. but if you STICK TO ONE then you will 100% reach an end

>>6684249
top left is very nice

>>6684236
i usually don’t have stabilizer on my brushes so it should be off on that one

i’ll have to check tho, might have forgotten to turn it off which would be annoying, im a major stabilizer anti

>>6684206
god damn do you have any socials???

>>6684249
eagerly awaiting the day he escapes perspective hell

I did the upside down drawing on the right side of the brain thing KEK

Any guide to draw simplified legs? Arms are bad enough, but legs turns out to be way worse.

WIP for today the 2nd

>>6684298
Haha. Thanks for the chuckle, anon. I love your drawing

>>6684290
He's not locked in with perspective... perspective is locked in with him...

>>6684199
>>6684249
ppl here often say my drawings are soul. What does that even mean?

>>6684206
Good stuff, would you mind telling where you the refs from? Did you mash up a lot of refs for a single drawing?

>>6684304
Ok, maybe now, her arms need a little bit oh help. Don't wanna mess too much with it, because you have a very unique, cute and delicate style. Keep at it man.

drawing

>>6684335
Widen those shoulders. She has a very adult face for that little body

>>6684331
I think you know what it means... When a picture tells a story that overshadows the medium or the artistic skill itself.
TLTR: It's not about the presentation, but about the story.

>>6684339
what if the story is huge boobs

>>6684336
thanks hopefully this is better

>>6684345
I have a curriculum for you, anon.

15 min of the Vilppu drawing manual
30 min of Bridgman or Morpho (copy)
30 min of master copies (your favorite artists)
Whatever you want for the rest of the day,

This is the quickest way to master figure drawing, imo

>>6684345
I would say even MORE though, and it would look much better if she was also taller imo.

>>6684358
Also enlarge a little the neck ^^

Wip still dont know where to put the legs and i think the arms should be shrunken down a bit.

>>6684363
Yeah, make them smaller.
Put the legs under her torso though, If not it wouldn't be a very human design.

>>6683880
Non-display tablets are pretty based honestly. My first was a little 8-inch Wacom Bamboo. Still love that thing

>>6684363
can you pls elaborate on what are these

>>6684369
Hips and thigh at least the way I do is try to draw a trapezoid not sure if its correct.

>>6684345

>>6684345
I see you did some updates, but I chose this one to do a little bit of redline. Beautiful face, beautiful hands, the body needs some adjustment here and there.

If you build a solid figure with basic construction, anything you put on her will look awesome. I wanted to do her clothes so I did some drapes on the side for fun.

Keep at it anon, the appeal core element is there, you're gonna make it.

>>6684363
I hope it helps.

>>6684396
Oh thank you that has so much energy didnt know what i was doing but it ha helped thank you.

>>6684332
the refs are stuff I found on pixiv or twitter like picrel
I used a different ref for each figure
I changed some proportions for my own liking
>>6684285
I have a pixiv account which I post irregularly, not much to see tho...
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/14735673

>>6684388
Nice. Don't over do it much. Leave it as a study. I see you have her body down, you have a clear idea already of her figure.
BUT the most interesting thing here, are the hands, you really want to make them awesome. So make hand studies, cool action hands. Search all the hands in Baki the Grappler's manga. BEST HANDS, for action, you have it man.
She's HOT btw.

Glasses, Roman, and big head were drawn with photo ref

>>6684419
Thanx for the tips. I definitely will study.

>>6684206
I want to so badly, but I don't understand him at all. I've read his book and gone through his video course a couple of times and I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about. Whenever he does gis gesture, spherical forms, box form or cylindrical forms I just want to ask, How? How did you do that?" All I want is to be able to draw movement and basic forms. I find it so distressing that I'm utterly incapable.

>>6683111
Im a gay homo

>>6684479
then read hampton instead of loomis

>>6684463
his exercises in the drawing manual were what made it click for me. it may feel like a waste of time drawing simple forms, but it's actually one of the most useful exercises, even for intermediates and advanced people

it transformed lines from something 2d into something I could feel in 3 dimensions

>>6684496
Man I really like your style. It's so pleasant, those lines, are like visual asmr

>>6684498
thank you so much, that actually means a lot to me <3

>>6684385
I love it thankyou for the redline anon
her ears are especially well done and cute.

>>6684385
did some adjustments to the drawing

>>6684507
>>6684534
Hey! Don’t ignore my curriculum

>>6684544
Don't worry I intend to do the curriculum just wanted to finish this one off before.

>>6684544
His curriculum costs 30 years of your lifetime

>>6684334
Spot on, thanks fren

>>6684544
huh?

Thanks to the critique from anons a few threads ago I have drawn this
I would like further critique if you would be so kind as it is not yet done

>>6684597
Uh, where to begin... I just did a redraw. I hope it helps. The important thing is to keep at it, keep grinding. You're doing great finishing complex pics like this.
THE GUN IS COOL!

>>6684534
Alright! I like this much better! You somehow managed to show her figure silhouette through the clothing. The folds flowing at the end of the dress nicely done. good work anon. Keep at it.
Another fun doodle dress in picrel.

>>6684369
What these are*

how would i go about drawing/rendering this texture? i’m trying to do a piece of my drawing setup so i’m drawing my whole bed….

:@

>>6684770
i love messy rendering styles so much

another one I did from the book "Drawing on the right side of the brain" drawn upside down

>>6684223
sure give me your tag and ill add you

>>6684753
cute
ty anon
here I did some more lineart practice with someones drawing

>>6684544
>>6684354

Is the vilppu drawing manual a book or is there a youtube vid I can follow?

>>6684242
It's not dog! Maybe try more and thinner lines for detailed textures? idk

>>6684708
Are you a new thread schizo like that lunatic soda/asagifag guy

>>6684852
a fun little piece i’m working on of my drawing setup, this is just the pre-render shading but i’d still appreciate thoughts on it (yes i do own all those stuffed animals, there’s actually a couple less in the picture than in real life…)

>>6684884
my bad didn’t mean to make that a reply haha

>>6684870
Whos's soda/asagifag?
Nah, I'm just having an /ic/ summer season. Pretty soon gotta go back to the usual normie routine. I wish I could stay.

took a break from Bridgman, again. Starting back up again.

inb4 "Dont draw heads, just skip them and do Loomis later"
Shut up, nerd.

>>6684944
That's so unsettling, it looks like a photo negative... spooky

>>6684844
It's a book. However vilppu made an amazing lecture series to go along with it that is probably somewhere in the video thread.

>>6684944
Do you have the original?

>>6684884
i’m pretty tired of this so i’m just gonna leave it as this

I'm mainly a student of Michael Hampton with a bit of Steve Huston in there. I think it's time I started studying anatomy. I feel like I'm at the precipice of starting to produce quality work but it's so fucking hard for me to practice drawing consistently.

Suggestions are always welcome.

>>6685067
looking good bro. Bridgman is a great way to learn your anatomy. Just copy through his book, over and over again, multiple times. Combine that with figure drawing and master copies.

The intermediate plateau takes the longest to overcome. Your work won't look quite professional for a while, despite the hundreds of hours you're putting in. Don't worry though, because you'll eventually make it

>>6685071
learn to look at an artist's drawing and copy it exactly, 1:1. It looks like you're copying Morpho, and that's great, but you're not being accurate enough. Slow down, and work in pencil, to correct your mistakes. There's no room for sloppiness.

>>6685058
souful

>>6685081

>>6685067 here. Thank you for the kind words and advice bro. It's taken me 3 years to get to this point. Very sporadic in my practice, as you can tell. It's often easy to forget where I was with how long it's taking me, but there has absolutely been improvement, and it keeps me going.

How do I choose the right color for light and shadows? I know how to shade basic shapes but I struggle with picking the right colors

>>6685112
damn bro learn to cook better quality images

>>6685117
rule of RGB;
Red is shaded by Green which is shaded by Blue which is shaded by Red

Red is highlighted by GREENER and whiter Red
Green is highlighted by BLUER and whiter blue
Blue is highlighted by REDDER and whiter blue

>>6683111
buttholes

>>6684496
Do you remember how long you did it for?

Could you please spot some things that could have been done better?
How could I improve upon this?

>>6685136
try to clean up the sketch and you'll see yourself

Is there any decent discord community for complete beginners? So far I have stumbled upon one but they were using pronouns and shit like that so I left immediately.
Haven't really drawn anything yet besides circles and straight lines. Been at it for a month, don't know where to move from here. Bought myself cheapest drawing tablet possible.

>>6685147
chud btfo, keep being alone

This feels like math

>>6685147
Either suck it up since those freaks dominate every single art social space or just stick here.

>>6685136
I can't do a reline of this. It has too much soul. You're good. you have a style. The expression, the face shape, the hair style, the pose, the clothes, the shoes, it's a solid composition. And the strokes are confident.
You're good anon. Keep at it.

>>6685154
>feels like math
Because you’re learning from an Asian

>>6685154
I don't get krenz at all, I put more work into drawing these measuring lines than in actually drawing the fucking figure, it's like you create a painting by numbers drawing, where is the skill involved in that? It's just autism, might as well trace. Outlying some basic measuring lines is okay but what krenz does is too much, at least for me. There have to be better methods to learn accuracy than to autistically put down millions of measuring lines.

>>6685136
I can’t say too much against it, but her hair looks a bit odd/flat around the top of her head, and her head position might also be a bit strange, it seems the neck is a bit long.

All nitpicks, however.

>>6685154
Being good at Math translates directly to art. Mathfags are really the chosen people. Lucky faggots.

>>6685163
>>6685159
Asians are predominantly left brained, thus their higher on average IQ. Drawing needs to be done on the right side, drawing like Krenz is basically turning your brain into a copying machine that is symbol drawing on steroids, but that reflects asian culture perfectly I guess, repeat something until it's so burned into your mind that you can draw it from imagination. But that's not the way of real art IMO.

>>6685161
The way how I see it is, after doing this for a few times, your eyes will do all of these calculations automatically without thinking. It seems tedious at first, but after practice it becomes second nature.

>>6685164
I agree. I don’t buy the left/right brain stuff but otherwise, yeah.

>>6685164
Well this approach is similar or maybe even identical to Bargue drawing course. This is how all the old masters used to do "real art". This is not limited to just anime drawing.

Just pathetically looking for critique.

>>6685179
finish it first
its unclear whats wrong and whats unfinished

>>6683209
Looks like something I'd hang on my wall

>>6683433
the arm is too noodley
I like it nonetheless

anime is fucking gay

>>6685184
>>6685179
well its pretty clear that the anatomy is off even without finishing, forms are a very loose.
Would recommend marking down which landmarks are where in space first.

Capeshit is gay.

Things from yesterday. I got rid of all my brushes.

>>6685204
what's your goal here?

>>6683450
forgive my shitty attempt at the onions rocks

>>6683111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV1CcIVTho4

just gonna share my great accomplishment on here, the eyes look so nice and even and i didn’t even copy paste

btw this is for a study of @se_5eeeee on twt because i love that artist’s line art and shading, i’ll be posting the finished version on here later

>>6685209
?? What do you mean? Do you mean art goals or what I was trying to do while drawing that?

Copy of a random orc head I found online, dunno if it could be called a study but it was a fun draw

>>6685234
art goals in general, yeah

"trust in the process", I tell myself, "it's adding up to some kind of improvement eventually". Though it's hard not to dismay at times, which makes it tough to keep practicing. I guess trying to get more accurate *and* faster, at the same time, is bound to turn out like this.

>>6685240
the problem here is it's a shit pose, you don't see artists creating poses like that; foreshortening and perspective? yes, but poses like that? no

Think I'm starting to get this 'feel the form' thing lads.

>>6685165
I think you are better off paying close attention to angles at which the most important lines are drawn, and use them as an anchor when copying. This and taking note of negative space for measuring is what tend to give better results for me when I don't feel like constructing everything.

>>6685238
if you did a study, ask yourself, what did you learn, if you didn't learn, did you really study anything?

DRAW THE BEANS DRAW THEM NOOW!

>>6685218
good, now draw 10 more

>>6685254
I learned I have fun copying fun subjects, I learned I have the capacity to make an appealing drawing, I increased my understanding of how to draw interesting textures a little bit, I increased my understanding of lineart a tiny bit as well

>>6685240
you will get faster after understanding what you are drawing, understanding how the hips are connected to the legs , how the shoulders work, how perspective works.
And thats a really bad pose if you are starting, do something more simple

>>6685293
where’d you get that ref?

>>6685296
from pinterest.

>>6685300
chad behavior, pintrest has the best references, the only problem with it is that nobody puts sources

>>6685291
i don’t mean this offensively but this sounds like one of my middle school art project rubrics… i’m getting trauma flashbacks fr

>>6685239
I haven't thought about it as embarrassing as that might sound. I just wanna draw cool looking cartoons.

studying how masters draw on youtube has taught me alot

>>6685304
lmao i dont understand what you mean

I guess Ill never stop chicken scratching

>>6685321
we had to write these little sections on the rubrics that were what you liked, what you learned, and what you would want to improve on in the future haha the rubics weren’t that bad it’s just that my teacher was annoyingly strict hence the trauma flashbacks

>>6685321
ong fr fr

Decided to redraw everything from the first sketchbook I've ever filled.

I haven't drawn regularly since I was 16, but surprisingly I'm doing okayish.

How do I go about and get as much information out of Vilpoo's drawing manual? I feel like drawing beans won't get me far, shouldn't I learn construction first or something?

>>6685380
The beans are method of construction, just done in a more intuitive way.

>>6685380
I've never understood how you're supposed to benefit from drawing forms (boxes, beans, stretchy box-things, etc...) just floating in space in whatever perspective and orientation. You're not actually practicing drawing something deliberately, you're just winging it and then making adjustments until it looks like something that might've been correct.

>>6685225
finished study! here the image that i studied from https://twitter.com/se_5eeeee/status/1661374272919556097

i had a lot of fun doing this study + i also feel like i learned a lot from it so that’s fun, this is the first colored piece i’ve actually finished in a while so i’m feeling good about myself now haha, feedback is always appreciated tho!

i’m gonna take a little break than do another one where i applied what i learned to an original thing so that’ll be fun

can I use gmod to practice simple poses and perspective?
or is there a good software for that
it's got a giant repository of models and shit and I already have it

Not sure how to go about shading the armour anyone got anything to help ?
colour wip

A beg server that I think is cool

https://discord.gg/eYkbbg5S

where can i find a pdf of the vilppu drawing for download that you don’t need an account for?

Hello beg, multiple VPs. This pic looked so boring i had to add red windows to avoid disaster.

>>6685461
just find reference of armor and draw what you see :-)
>>6685418
ofc you can. some artists even use games like sims for posing and refs, blender is also popular choice. and then there are like 10 different dedicated posing apps
>>6685399
my feedback is why are you posting photo of a screen? where did taking screenshot go?
>>6685380
this is why i did beg and perspective books first instead of jumping to these advanced books, hoping i will have an answer for such question once i get to them
>>6685354
isnt it better to "redraw" stuff from somebody else who is better than you? aka master studies?
>>6685333
chicken scratching can easily be turned into style, heck there are painting styles just from that alone
>>6685238
damn that is clean and nice
>>6685220
as clean as usual
>>6685181
is this vore?
>>6685147
enter the neobeg (warning: it is not safe place and you need to PYW to pass the barrier)
https://discord.gg/7UBvB94u
>>6685136
the arms and the ass are lacking form
>>6685058
cute
>>6684770
the proportions look a bit weird but otherwise cute thot
>>6684769
i literally see a mesh, draw what you see anon
>>6684544
did this dude ever released anything about how to draw?
>>6684331
i would define SOUL as when your appeal is very high but the technique is somewhat poor, simple or nonexistent. Also the drawing needs to have a certain vibe to it. And also many anons say soul to anything which looks bad but you can tell its author made an effort.

Trying to loosen up my lines

>>6683111
>just now realized I can rotate the image when drawing so i can more comfortably draw at different angles
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>6685545

>>6685477
https://archive.org/details/Vilppu_Drawing_Manual.pdf

may great gains be made, future gmi

I did this.

people always say getting started is the hardest part of learning to draw, but they never say how to get started....

>>6685485
>Isn't it better to "redraw" stuff from somebody who is better than you?

Obviously, yeah, but Im also leagues better than I used to be and this is a nice fun practice, also this is the first time I've drawn multiple days in a row, it's getting me back into art. No harm in doing it. Back when I filled the sketchbook I'm redrawing, I was literally drawing every single day, for nearly 3 years. I'm already starting to feel the same joy that I felt when I was there.

>>6685687
that's why it's the hardest part

>>6685485
>Did KJG ever released stuff on how to draw
NTA, but I am pretty sure he made a couple courses, it seemed the "watch me draw and figure it out yourself " type of course though.
Also, good work on the perspective, Pawell. I am pretty curious on how it will impact your work when you finish.

>>6685838
KJG was one of those people who learned to draw by drawing the shit he saw around him compulsively for his entire childhood - artists like that don't know how to go about teaching, unless they actively make a point in learning how.

>>6685497
wait i love this so much???? keep up the good work anon!

>>6685485
this is the first time on here that someone has mentioned me taking pictures of screens lmao

it’s just a preference thing ig, i prefer using 4chan on my phone and i don’t wanna send a screenshot to my phone…


so basically i’m just lazy

>>6685855
Thanks :)

>>6684304
Getting back to this

>>6686008
>>6686008
new thread
>>6686008

>>6686008

>>6685461
Hey there, your drawings my penis hard. Give me your blog so i can go masturbate,
thank you

>>6685911
GREAT UPDATE! Love it. Even her legs look better now. Nice one anon!

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