/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6681207
Based Nippon bringing us one step closer to realizing the waifu age.

>>6681207
>© 2023 NO PORTION OF THIS SITE MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING A MACHINE LEARNING MODEL (INCLUDING LLMS) WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE AUTHOR.
Oh, irony.

>>6681222
lmfao
AIjeets in a nutshell

>>6681207
Japan is such a weird country, apparently extremely polite and courteous and it seems that they give a shit about IP and artists before this, you'll never seen a nip upload an art book, it's always a gaijin but then they do shit like exploiting the shit out of their employees with 78 hour work weeks to the point these employees become severe alcoholics and this shit.

>>6681207
Sorry for the broken English but picrel explain it.

>>6681249
based boomers
don't need more shitty coom, get to work wagie

deserved for all 'artists' - time to get a real job

>>6681207
I tried to find a separate article because that link isn't working and couldn't find anything except "we're still sleeping on it". Weird.

>>6681249
The same boomers who crashed the economy in the 90s?

As it turns out, "creativity" is not the holy mark of consciousness that we've taken it for.

Oops, time to catch up then, fellow beasts.

>>6681260
>don't need more shitty coom
Then ban AI image generation.

>>6681249
I hope the boomers will start ww3
so u can all start getting "real jobs"

>>6681260
>t. miserable bugman taking his anger out on everyone else

>>6681279
That's most of the AIjeets who shit up /ic. It's more rooted in their seethe over artists existing and jealousy over artists selling commissions instead of working as a manual laborer or servant (it all makes more sense when you remember that in a thirdworld shithole, making $1k USD a month on commissions is a living wage; in most firstworld countries, online commission artists are indeed doing it as a hobby or sidegig).

>>6681249
>Sorry for the broken English
Don't worry I fixed it with AI:
Plenty anime fans dey believe say Japanese government good because of anime. No be so. Na only because anime dey bring dem money na why dem dey allow am spread wella. Japanese old people believe say art no make sense for their country and dem want direct their young ones to learn STEM. For 80s and 90s, dem go try connect murder case to manga/anime culture through media (see picture wey dey related).
Apart from the push wey dey come from global homosexuality, for the eye of these Japanese old people wey love money, Artificial Intelligence go continue to dey bring money from anime while e go dey force/encourage the young people to dey learn STEM instead of art.

>>6681279
>>6681288
shush, inkcels
get to drawing those horse cocks or you're not eating this month

Is this news real? I can't find this anywhere else other than that ai site

Even if true, it won't matter if Japanese sites like Pixiv won't allow it.

>With the effective implementation of AI, it could potentially boost the nation’s GDP by 50% or more in a short time.
do pajeets really believe this?

>>6681207
Hey if the US and EU put a bunch of restrictions on AI then Japan will be well positions to rake in the profits, it only makes sense.

>>6681305
No, it's not

>>6681330
wtf? indiabros... japan is stealing our AI profits... it was suppposed to be our turn...

>>6681207

Lmao... They think they can train on the data of other countries? We'll see. Japanese government is known for being a fuckhead. Like how they denied the atrocious thing they did in the past. Poor japanese artist. They contributed so much to the country.

>>6681342
Of course they can, China already gives 0 fucks about copyright of other countries.

Looks like the meetings went well

AIbros??

>>6681365
lmao they're desperate after china, korea and taiwan took all their technological advances they made during 1980s

>>6681371
The judge is a luddite.

>>6681377

Don't they have low birthrate? They should automate reproduction instead.

>>6681269
>>6681305
Linked in the article:
https://go2senkyo.com/seijika/122181/posts/685617

It's an article by a Japanese House of Representatives member interviewing the Minister of Minister of Technology, Keiko Nagaoka.

Translated from section discussing AI:
>Regarding generative AI, I asked questions from two perspectives: copyright protection and utilization in the educational field.

>When I checked about Japan's legal system (copyright law) concerning information analysis by AI, Minister Nagaoka clearly stated that in our country, regardless of whether it is for non-profit or profit purposes, regardless of whether it is an act other than reproduction, or whether it is content obtained from illegal sites, you can use works for information analysis by any means.

>I argued that even if it can be used against the intention of the copyright holder, it is a problem from the perspective of rights protection, and new regulations are needed to protect the copyright holder.

>Finally, I asked about the handling of generative AI in the educational field. I requested that the government clarify the schedule for issuing guidelines for use in educational sites, taking into consideration the impact on children, aiming to do so before the summer vacation. However, although Minister Nagaoka responded "urgently," there was no specific response regarding the timing.

>It was regrettable that even though the attitude of the Minister of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology is very important both for improving the working style reform of educators and for handling generative AI, we could not get a specific response on the important parts of government policy. I want to ask my colleagues for a turn in the general question and answer session of the Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Committee, and I want to continue this inquiry.

>>6681365
>negative birth rate
>yen is getting weaker
>already overworked animators
>north korea regularly firing "just a prank bro" missiles
Japan is straight up retarded.

>>6681386
AICHADS LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

>>6681207
>>6681386
First off, the source is a blog site
Secondly
>new regulations are needed to protect the copyright holder.
lul

And lastly, this is Senate level in a meeting about Education. AI being talked about was discussed in terms of education purposes, which, by US laws, have always been allowed to violate copyright.

Now, if you train you AI models for "profit reasons"
Then you will need to get the Supreme Court involved

You guys are fucking stupid

>>6681399
Literally says
>Minister of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology
You fucking retard. lmao.

>>6681404
Yes, House of Representatives is literally just the senate
Supreme Court is the place where the actual big issues get settled

If you train your AI model using copyrighted works owned by a media company, that's fine

But release those works for profit reasons while being big enough to sue, and you guys are going to face it straight at the Supreme Court

Which is what happened at Warthol and their AI art dispute

>>6681249
Sounds like a plan

>>6681324
ChatGPT will replace them and they will collapse. It's over.

>>6681371
Remember that stunt where a law firm was about to experiment with an AI lawyer and was ordered to knock it the fuck off? I tried to find the article but I found more lawyers trying to use it for their brainlet schemes.

>>6681298
Your forced meme is unfunny, plebbitor.

AI should be allowed to train without restriction, but the end result should be considered a derivative work and should not be eligible for copyright. There, problem solved. If companies want to sell a product that they own, they have to pay someone to create something new by hand. If someone wants to use AI to make art, they can, but it’s effectively immediately public domain so nobody is getting rich off it.
Trying to protect the copyright in the data it trains on is a battle that the corporations will win. Corporations will just buy themselves an ocean of stock photo and art to feed their robot employees. Copyright law will not work against the people with all the money and the lawyers

>>6681457
Nah, nah
Does not work
AI art is no longer supported with Fair Use

The moment you try to sell it is the moment the copyright holders can pounce on you

>>6681207
It's in the name of ART, if you're into ART for the money than go and collect pieces of debris of Russian rockets to melt down and craft into jewelry to then sell to Russian elites you fucking piece of shit. How DARE you whore ART out?!

>>6681237
Look up the rape of Nanking, Issei Sagawa, Junko Furuta, and unit 731.

>>6681365
wait did ken amastu(love hina author) appoved this ? he is in the right pic

so is this legit or not

>>6681580

it is... japanese tv shows and influencers are being paid to push this narrative that AI is good and AI generative images are better than any art produce by human. Japanese artist are being drowned by the loud voices of media. I don't know where we'll end up. The fuckheads have deep pockets and manage to scare governments all over the world to join this AI race or we'll face a bigger AI boogeyman without protection.

>>6681458
Technically, its the second you even make the copyright infringing artwork and share it somewhere. It's why DMCA takedowns occur. For example, if Disney wanted to take down all Frozen fanart, like ALL of it, they could. It'd be very hard, but they'd technically be within their rights to do so.

>>6681652
>I don't know where we'll end up
As always, get woke go broke
The entire cyber world have had enough of the spam and demands a filter for AI shit

>>6681666
Fanarts belong in parody law. No they can't
Now, if those unaffiliated users used official arts, then they can demand a take down

>>6681652
Need more source for this. This seems out of nowhere

>>6681652
I've noticed this. It's so fake and forced. The way they did Ortiz dirty by dropping the contrast and brightness of her work and asking if people like the AI img2img version or her dulled image, pure scum.

>>6681385
They should outsource all of their reproduction to me, it will be hard but I'd gladly make that sacrifice for Nippon

>>6681690

the response

>https://twitter.com/ochyai/status/1661183124880109568

>>6681699
Reads like an AI made that response, moreover it reads like an ai made that response, however to be clear, it reads like an ai made that response, in conclusion, an ai made that response.

>>6681699
b-but I thought japs were le based, what's our answer to this weebsisters???

>>6681706
Nobody simps for the Japanese government, anon. They've always known to be on the wrong side of any issue.

>>6681706
You know anon one the inspiration for the Phoenix Wright games was the Japanese court system
>near 99.9% conviction rate

>>6681806
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

>>6681394
>>negative birth rate
West isn't faring much better, they just went full retard with importing third worlders.

>>6681207
this changes everything
i'm moving to japan

>>6681207
>content obtained from illegal sites
does this mean cee-pee? based japs

>>6681207
>>6681386
I already addressed this you shill
>>6675679

>"On the other hand, when using copyrighted works on the Internet for information analysis, it is practically difficult to confirm whether each of the copyrighted works collected in large quantities is legal. It is conceivable that the actual situation makes it difficult to analyze information using data.

>In addition, the act of using a work for information analysis is not intended for the enjoyment of the thoughts or feelings expressed in the work. It does not conflict with the original market for the use of copyrighted material, and does not prejudice the interests of copyright holders protected by copyright law."

if I’m reading it right, it’s just the minister of technology saying current copyright laws don’t protect against ai scraping, which is something the court decides, not a minister of technology, and something that will be decided internationally because without the berne convention copyright is useless because some faggot in a different country can just ignore the law

how is this news?

>>6681207
lmao that is really surprising, when it comes to copyright Japs are usually the highest bootlickers in teh world.

>>6682361
Hopefully. Those porn checkpoints are about to get really good.

>>6682433
Yea but japs also act like cavemen discovering fire for the first time on anything more advanced than an excel spreadsheet. So it's not surprising that the jap boomers are mindblown at AI being able to do what it does and promises a theoretical shortcut that "solves" their tech problems.

>>6682377
shills can always spread lies faster than you can spread the truth
once they hook up the bots to sneedGPT in mass its joever for us

>>6682597
shills opinions can also quickly be ignored as well and not like mentally blocking advertising all day is anything new

>>6681207
But /ic/ said Japan would protect their artists

>>6681207
whoa. japs are living like 2 months in the future relative to the rest of the world

>>6682610
>it said their trying things out and also new regulations will be made
>you know it flops it won't be good
>nearly everything in that "newsletter" is basically constant shilling and one of things they want address is misinformation being spread

>>6681705

You're right

https://note.com/ochyai/n/ndcbcf0752b78

He definitely used chatgpt

>>6681207
Oh no no artsisters, I though Japan was le wholesome bastion of tranime that’d protect our transgender artists!

>>6681298
Kek based

>>6681458
Copyright holders of what
If I generate a generic anime girl they have no idea what model I used, let alone if their “art” was inside of the model
No one has evidence for copyright infringement, not even I could see what was used to train a model, unless it’s one of these research models that were trained on like 5 images that are prone to overfitting, which isn’t the case for overwhelming majority of models

>>6683176
We already have AIs that dissect the models used for the AI picture lol

Yes, they can dismantle your model for evidence

>>6683188
That’s literally bullshit lmao
>uhm sweetheart we have an AI to hack into mainframe with quantum entanglement and PHP protocols to decrypt your AI chuddery!

>>6683192
>machine produces a limited number of replicable results based on input
>hurrrrrrr a machine cannot reverse engineer the input
you could literally brute force this in absence of better solutions

>>6683188
>We already have AIs that dissect the models used for the AI picture lol
Howling

>>6681569
Yup, it's hard to believe an old artist like him would approve of this but given how horrible his recent manga was (there were instances of copy pasted art), I'm not surprised he went downhill.

>>6683376
it’s just boomers fucking over the next generations as per usual
same as gurney, he’s an old fuck who peaked long ago and is just going through the motions until he dies now

>>6681207
big news
in a few years this will be seen as the tipping point, where traditional, made by hand, human art, became deprecated

>>6682377
pajeetsisters???

>>6683192
>>6683375
Sorry, I can't find the link anymore but I assure you that it's real. It works like a reverse image search

It should still be in BETA.
Eitherway, point is, the model can be dismantled
It's not a chemical mixture of milk and coffee

Wow, I just tried making some AI art and I feel kind of bad saying it, but honestly? it's really fun.

This really is the future, and I'm jumping on board.

>>6684310
Greetings, non-unique IP

>>6681249
>>6681652
>>6681377
Maybe, and get this, maybe it isn't copyright infringement, and maybe people like AI art and dont notice/dont care about minor flaws? I know this is literally an impossible idea in your mind and you made up your mind 8 months ago and nothing will ever change it, not even a supreme court ruling, but maybe you and all these other twitter losers are wrong?

>>6684547
>every image site is either adding a filter or outright banning it
lul
Everyone hates your ass so pick up a pen

>>6684547
you will never be an artist. You will never be welcomed among artist circles. The harder you try, the worse you're making it for yourself

Literally only EU is doing something against machine learning. How come?

>>6685663
>new technology who could have unforeseen consequences
>faggots like Elon and other greedy cunts want to let it run rampant with zero accountability
>EU: nope
>angry corposlaves screeching