/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6676357
actual schitzo shit, continue if you want to learn really bad habbits

look at the author's 'work' for some cheap laughs

>>6676377
lil bro looks like he was AI generating in 1921

how does he do it

>>6676357
>those scribbles in the upper right corner

Jesus, reminds me of that anon who always makes those animated gif threads.

>>6676394
It gets better

keys to drawing chads always win

>>6676408
That's supposed to be TWO figures? I thought it was someone bending over with legs spread apart. I'm trying to re-see and I can't even.

>>6676469
Mind you this was the person who came up with "gesture"

Don't get me wrong, gesture as a wireframe for the figure is fine, but the whole "muh gesture" is a cancer

>>6676494
Since I haven't read this book, do you mind going into a little more detail as to what you mean? His version of gesture is wrong due to...?

>>6676408
>>6676503
I have no idea so this is going to be my 30 second
didnt even pull out a tablet interpretation

>>6676507
Lol, that was the only viable two-figure pose my mind went to.

>>6676357
>>6676408
>>6676494
haven't read that book but it's actually a pretty interesting technique. it's obviously not the best one for accuracy but it's useful as an exercise and as tool. you can use this sribbly loose gesture drawing to draw anything that you are not confident in drawing.
by drawing loosely a bunch of lines, it can trick your brain to eventually see on the paper what you are actually trying to draw. when you see it, you can make the lines progressively more visible or do a second "inking" pass where you choose only the good lines. i hope you can understand what i'm trying to say.

>>6676389
>look at the author's 'work' for some cheap laughs
actually really cool modernist paintings. I prefer russian/soviet stuff from the same time period, but this is fucking rad. /ic/ dilettantes with another L

>>6676503
There are several approaches to the idea of gesture, the practical and the abstract

Nikolaides is the abstract type who tells you need to feel bro, that you need to capture the (*smokes weed*) essence and shit. This approach is nonsensical.

The practical is like Huston or Vilppu
Vilppu's approach to gesture is simply capturing what the figure is doing, and having some rythm on top of it. Huston definition is about connecting parts (How the neck connects to the torso, torso to legs and arms etc....

>>6676520
I think i get you, that would be just loose sketching no?
I will give it a try, but i still think there's no need to check Nikolaides schizo writings

>teaches the same things at least ten times faster
>there are two types of anons who don't like this book: the ones who would never open it in their life and the troll crabs who criticize it because they know it's good.

>>6677483
The second sentence should not be greentext. Please ignore the error.

>>6677483
>book by a woman that dabbles in disproven pseudoscience theories about muh left and right brain

Would it kill you stupid fuckers to just study Loomis, Bridgman and maybe Hampton instead instead of some woman who unironically will bombard you with astrology tier shit and draws like shit herself?

is this book really that nonsensical and hard to understand for some people. im a few chapters in and nothing felt that esosteric

>>6676389
I actually like his art but he's definitely not the guy I'd go to for figure drawing tips.

>>6676503
Nicolaides is the guy who told his students to wave his pencil around randomly to capture gesture.

He also teaches blind contour, which is about as useless as it gets

>>6676520
I think a lot of people draw that way, starting with loose, rough, gestural-type lines, granted said rough layout pass is typically going to be a bit more coherent than whatever is going on there.

>>6676357
This is the guy that coined the term "gesture drawing" btw.

>>6676357
not the archives!

>>6676507
NNNIIICE.... yeah boi... we all know what that is

>>6677483
>teaches the same things at least ten times faster
>most of the text is all about outdated brain
i would rather read OP's pic than going back again reading that shit

>>6676357
just draw the gestures anon, dont worry the book itself tells you to re-read the first two chapters after you will do like 2000 gestures because now you will see it from different perspective and understand more. and honestly it is true.

the book has its hidden merits you wont find anywhere else.

>>6676389
he talks about it in his book. the TLDR is that once the artists learn how to draw a knee they will draw for the rest of their life that one knee on every single figure. his approach to drawing is supposed to counter the stagnation.

>>6681783
sauce

>>6681783
is natural way to draw more beneficial if i take it after keys to drawing or both can be interchangeable, i just dont want to do right side on the brain since not only i have to skip a large amount of the debunked brain theory but also have to get other materials just to start drawing

>>6681836
try blind drawing and the gesture exercises but DO NOT follow the book if you are a beginner you will learn to draw through touch which is very useful but its not a standard way to get copy and measure

>>6682084
basically i'll just ignore the texts and focus on the exercises instead?

>>6682099
the book itself tells you its full of contradictions and that practice is always above theory, learn your theory(find useful/understand) do your exercises full concentration focusing on feeling the lines of the image, imagining rubbing your thumb against the picture and feeling the lines pop out like if you were reading braille or trying to grab the thing with your hand to compare it to the size of the frame ur drawing(clear concepts that dont lie in the abstracts, maybe its logical, imaginative, or an intense feeling).
I recommend to learn it on parallel and to give it no priority, focus on REMEMBERING those concepts found during practice and build them up day by day

>>6682180
i just watched https://youtu.be/qFtNXEUmx5E
i think i'm fine with the idea of just focusing practicing on contours and gestures but dont know if i'll able to properly finish the book
also thanks a bunch, anon
i'll keep those in mind when i pick this up after ktd, i really need to improve my observation skills

>>6682180
Those are some nice hands. You’ve almost sold me on Nicolaides, except for the fact that I hate blind contours with all my heart and body and soul

>>6681794
https://pawell2418.github.io/wisdom.html

>>6681836
>beneficial
I learned stuff from the book, but honestly i spent 4 months on it. It would be utter madness to spend 4 months drawing and somehow not learn anything. You can definitely try it out, the book is very elaborate of what to do, how to do it and for how long you should be doing it. So you can try out 1 week schedule and decide for yourself if you can or cannot stomach it. Or just trying out each exercise type once or twice. I did about 70% of the prescribed grind before i decided it is time to move on.
>interchangeable
Nicolaides approach to drawing is TURBO UNIQUE and in many places it is direct opposite to the general observational drawing techniques. Its as if the dodson book is yin and nicolaides is yang. What one book claims as a fact the other book will say its opposite is true.

I can recommend keys to drawing to anyone. It is fast, to the point and very practical, it delivers results fast. I cannot do the same with natural way to draw. It was mind opening experience but i wont say it is needed to make it.

Read the reviews again and then make up your own decision. Or check my gallery to see what the exercises look like.

>>6681783
> Bargue 3/10
> Scribbles dude 5/10
nah.

there are issues with Bargue's book itself (plates are a bit small), but *carefully* copying the plates is an excellent exercise. pawell2418 is rushing the plates, and as a result, doesn't profit from the training as efficiently as he could.

the difficulty is not erratic (at all): the plates are ordered by body section, and each section starts with from simple plates to more complex. his inability to discern such an elementary structure is telling regarding how cautious he's been when studying the course.

there's lots of good stuff packed in those plates, they are great, at least once you understand the basic mechanics of comparative measurements & plumb lines.

but, they do not make a full drawing course either, they need to be completed. https://ramonhurtado.com/19cdatabase contains more finished drawings and some paintings from Atelier Gérôme (who supervised "Bargue"'s book)

>>6676389
kill yourself

>>6682386
thanks pawell
i think i should at least do nicolaides book even if there's a chance i wont finish it, i think it will help me unironically "feel the form", since i usually have a difficult time in the contour parts and analyzing the surface of my subject

>>6678472
yeah because of watching third person porn like a cuck instead of having the real thing

>>6681783
>Bargue
>30 studies
>5 weeks
How do you do 30 40-hour studies in 5 weeks? That's literally 1200 hours spent studying in 840 hours. This dude gigamaxxing with a time machine or what?

>>6684798
he rushed them and didn't do it properly.

>>6676357
Looks like prebeg stuff