/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

agree with all this except for the Loomis books. Those are good and have trained hundreds, if not thousands of professional artists at this point.

Gesture drawing for noobs is a beg trap. Beginners need to learn to be accurate, and draw good form

>>6669785
Everything is a beg trap if you let it. Only way to get out is to draw.

>>6669785
Is Keys to Drawing a trap too? I just got a pdf of it for drawing

One of the better threads on this board, it does the bare minimum and actually explain why these are beg traps

>>6669791
FWAP really is a /beg/ trap, I speak from experience. Loomis goes into decent detail with drawing the unappealing boomer faces, and then "okay now draw some figures" is basically the extent of instructions on how to draw figures lmao.

>>6669785
Does tracing count? Because I know someone like that.

>>6669785
250 boxes is not nearly the worst part about DAB. Once he gets to animals he becomes utter nonsense. The first 2 lessons are fine but they're just repurposed scoro/han anyway.

Also what is this shit on scoro meme I'm seeing lately? His YT is super helpful. Learn perspective autistically and get to the point where you can eyeball it. Sorry you got filtered bitch

>>6669785
Dab is a beg trap as a whole. Avoid this shitty pajeet site.
Otherwise I agree.

>>6669785
opinion discarded
I’ve made way more progress with your so called “beg trap” than the critically acclaimed materials accepted by most of /ic/

>>6669785
S Tier beg trap - drawing, not browsing this board 24/7, studies

>>6669785
high tier: /ic/

>>6672230
I consider it the single worst instructional book of any kind that I have ever encountered. It reads like it was written by someone who was completely clueless by drawing, but did some quick research and regurgitated some information they read. It's possible to interpret what the author says in a way that's sensible and helpful, but the wording rarely lends itself well to that interpretation, and a more literal reading results in some terrible misconceptions about drawing. The author also absolutely sucks at demonstrating concepts visually, everything is taught in a very strange order, and a lot of information that is absolutely critical to beginners is completely absent.

That being said, it seems like my opinion is the minority one and most people somehow think the book is helpful. I'll also note that I have a very harsh opinion of the vast majority of drawing resources aimed at beginners, and it's possible that I just started out with a particularly unusual set of concepts and aptitudes that rendered most books useless or actively harmful to me.

>>6669785
So, I wanted to iterate on your list:

High tier -

>Christopher Hart
Never heard of him before, looked it up, 100% agree.

>Scott Robertson
Not my favorite, but not actually hurtful, it just isn't for begs.

>My inclusion
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, full of pseudoscience bullshit, and even as a metaphor, it aims to kill the creative side of art on begs, focusing on sight seeing exercises instead of teaching them to enjoy drawing. That can actually hurt begs.

Mid Tier -

>Fun with a pencil
I would downgrade it to Low Tier, and that's just because the style doesn't sell these days, someone should make a version with the same principles but anime.

>Drawabox
100% agree, just go to Peter Han or any "Dynamic Drawing", it's better.

>My inclusion
Bridgman, sorry bridgmanbros, the dude just isn't for begs, I would recommend a simpler anatomy book, like Peck or Walt Reed, then Bridgman.

Low Tier -

>Figure Drawing for all its worth
Kinda agree? Only because it's outdated, but it wouldn't hurt begs to go into it.

>My inclusion
The Famous Artists School, or something like that, tons of lessons of the past century artists. All of each are actually good, would even recommend it to begs, if any would actually use it. Problem is that the style they teach is really outdated.

>>6673838
tracing is not a beg trap, because it teaches you line economy at the very least. but you will be a forever /beg/ if that's all you do...

>begs discussing beg things
self fulling prophecy

>>6674586
> but you will be a forever /beg/ if that's all you do...
Summed the mother of all begtraps: Stagnation

>>6673781
Have to agree. Figure drawing is a godsend book in my opinion, but Fun With a Pencil is utterly shite.

Scott Robertson should change the name of his book because it's NOT for beginners. It's a useful good book but it's not for beginner and the title is misleading.

>>6676274
Yeah, Scott Robertson's books are at a level beyond 90% of this board.

SS Tier: /ic/

>begtraps

Using books instead of just drawing.

Art has no answer, no definitive way of doing it; thinking too hard about it is the pitfall. Just draw as you like. Use references if you want. Bend your anatomy. Distort it, or not. Ultimately, it's art either way. It's not good, not bad, it simply is.

>>6669785
>Admiring internet artists rather than studying ACTUAL professionals
Biggest beg trap I've seen lately. Do yourself a favor and study actual professionals.

>>6669785
no one actually recommends chris hart books, everyone knows they're made for children

>>6676293
What if the artist doesn't want to reinvent the wheel? Because that's what you are proposing, to come up with our own ideas about anatomy, for example, when most artists of our time never have seem a dead body, imagine even dissecated one, while the dudes who invented anatomy did that.

>>6669785
>Fun with a pencil - utterly outdated and unappealing
>>6673781
>unappealing boomer faces
>>6674576
>the style doesn't sell these days

It's only vaguely related to the thread, but why is this the case? why did that sort of cartoony style fall off?

>>6676311
Already falling into a begtrap. Stop thinking so hard about "what ifs", "how tos", "will people like it", "will I get clout", "when will it be good", "why", "what method", etc.

Just draw.

>>6676363
IMO, the same reason the rubber house (though, cuphead exists) style fell off: Disney. The popularization of the Disney style affected art in many ways, for instance, it heavily influenced anime. So, today, when we see Instagram and twitter, we see two types of artists mainly, those inspired by Disney, and those inspired by anime... which traces back to Disney.

>>6676379
Ffs, it's a legitimate question, why should a beg reinvent the wheel? Are you actually telling me that if a beg wants to learn anatomy he should learn it through observation?

>>6676397
You're NGMI - maybe next time.

>>6676403
Maybe the anons where right, /ic/ is the biggest begtrap.

>>6676311
Anon
No one "invented" anatomy. You study anatomy so you can understand things and break it, that's not really reinventing the wheel

>>6676440
Tecnically, no one invents a science, that's for sure. But can we really compare the understanding of Herophilos, the father of anatomy, to the understanding of a guy who doesn't even know that the abs serve to contract the spine? I am just saying that books can be a kickstarter on the art development, so a beg can stand on the shoulders of giants, instead of figuring out shit that we know for millenium.

>>6676473
But there's a difference between understanding and applying, and as a beg, if they get too hung up over "this isn't right" "it looks awkward" "why can't I put this on paper" it'll lead to more frustration and burnout than being creative.

>>6676516
100% agree, I am just arguing that the beg can't apply what he doesn't even know exists, like half the muscles and perspective. Basically, I am considering that they are dumb enought to not figure this out on their own.

>>6676527
Instead of arguing and considering and such, you could have spent that time simply drawing.

>>6676536
I could, but
>drawing books are a begtrap
Is the dumbest thing I read today, I just had to.

>>6672230
The book isn't, but arguing about it is.

>>6669785
drawing with the right side of the brain,
the concept is totally bullshit and not based on anything other than some outdated ideas around the brain.