/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Question about loomis book "fun with pencil" which stuff should i draw. Do i draw only when he says me too like on page 16 and etc. or do i practise literally every single page where drawings are?

>>6667496
draw all the blooks and head examples

>>6667507
Much appreciated

I quit drawing.
Loomis and Vilpuu are useless connectadot tier.
My shitty motorics ruin me anyway.
Bye bye.

>>6667512
Cya in a week anonb

>>6667478
I post and the IMMEDIATLY a new thread is bakes. Oh well.
Same question:
>>6667474
>>6667477

I really wish there was an art book or a tutorial made by the North Korean propaganda artists. It would help to know what they do, the kind of brushes and ink they use, etc. But on the bright side none of this is terribly complicated. I may send a letter to the NK embassy asking them where I might be able to find NK art resources. Its worth a shot

>>6667522
You have the "silent majority" standing behind him, obviously

>>6667570
I’m in denial about what needs to be done because I’m intimidated by the prospect. But you are correct, I’m just dragging my heels.
I was thinking to keep things more manageable I’d do something like pic related

>>6667594
Maybe even something like this, where they only occupy a small area, cut off by a block of text

what do i practice perspective with

>>6667701
books
sheets of paper
rubiks cubes
buildings

Working on more of the F&H guard
>as a christian academic study ofc

I wanted to ask ya'll in regard to shading in black, or going from B&W to color. What would be the fool proof way of going about it? I made my shading layer, into a orangish hue. And I see people just color over the B&W layer.

>>6667522
Weren't most of the intellectuals of north Korea trained in China during the 60s before their relations went to shit ? North Korean style looks like China's with slight variations, maybe look that up as there should be way more resources on Chinese posters than NK ones.

>>6667703
what books

>>6667701

I decided to try something different and ink this from last thread >>6664470

>>6667701
perspective made easy exercises
draw a box lessons 1-2

>>6667726
her face should be covered by her tits more in the right figure
looks like she's jutting her head forward awkwardly or maybe it's on purpose and she just has epic gamer posture

>>6667727
do you mean all the face?
this is a common pose in anime maybe people for stylization people project the neck forward to be able to see all the face

I don't have time to draw since Wednesday and it's so fucking hard. It started off good, but then I didn't size it properly so I had to effectively erase everything and start again and now it looks like shit. Why is drawing so perishable?
I can do better than this. Should I try to fix it more or just move on tomorrow? (That's assuming I'll have time tomorrow.)

>>6667772
Try redrawing it when you have the time to draw.

Also, my friend started drawing. Anything you guys think I should tell him? I think he did better today than I did because he did that shit one take in pen. It's almost prebeg, but it didn't take him very long.

>>6667780
at first view its awful because he has no understanding of shapes, but id say he has potential from the gesture shown on the flowers, big chance that if he studies a bit he'll get real good at it so tell him to start reading and practicing
Also post your work anon

>>6667779
I don't like doing the same image a second time. I know that lots of professionals do this, but I'm part time at best. If I was going to redo one it would be this one. I like the subject much better

>>6667789
That's not the finished one, wrong pic, but you get the idea.

>>6667522
You know that new threads come at roughly 320-350 mark right?
About your quest, have you watched Scott Flanders draw? (Maybe it's his name, just search Shapecarver)
His style is basically this, but for character design.

>>6667780
>almost prebeg,
Huh? This is beg. There's issues with scale and proportion, but it's not bad for a quick ballpoint drawing.

>>6667783
I have been.
>>6667772
>>6667789
I'll tell him. He's a total bimbo (himbo?) so he is unlikely to actually do anything you tell him, but I'll pass on the encouragement.

>>6667581
https://twitter.com/slurponaut
I don't post very often though

>>6667789
It's not just profeasionals; it's instructional. You do it to learn. Not just about how to draw, but also about how *you* draw. Even if it isn't >>6667772 or >>6667789, pick one and try again.

>>6667387
It isn't that hard to understand, he's factoring the painting as a decision of what color goes in that lineart, if it's skin, it will be a hue that matches skin, but also playing along with the linework itself, meaning that it needs to be darker to outline the shape, which is what linework does mainly.
Inner lineart will remain softer/grayer because it blends better with the painted colors, with the exception of darker accents or where you want to depict the turning of the form.
Also, use your eyes, he's designing with the lines but also trying to make it play along with the painting, it's harder just because you have to keep tabs on those 2 elements at once in your process. Needless to say if your painting isnt working (which in reality is just your values not reading properly) your lines aren't gonna save it, they may even give away that you're fucking things up. You've got the option of practicing painting and lineart in isolated exercises and then testing both to measure your progress. Or do a study of these images, but in grayscale, focus on how the render works vs the lineart without the added noise of color yet as values are what really control this balance.
Also balance your line weight based on shadows/lights, typically you want them thinner at light, thicker in shadow, you can play with the values (within a same line or against other lines) for focusing contrast in some areas and reducing them where you don't want the eyes to look at, it also helps with the handmade feel.

What happened to the bug/rock/treeposter

Hello beg, today my brain was expanded because this new use of horizon for getting correct proportions wasnt in previous book.

>>6667780
looking at his flower and vase the dude will level up fast with proper learning material. tell him to pick up keys to drawing: the best beg book
>>6667726
COOM
>>6667711
he meant book as in prop for still life drawing: putting book at some angle on table and then just drawing what you see. Anyway almost all perspective books are the same since perspective is precise linear algebra math so it doesnt really matter much which you pick. Common picks are
goodreads.com/book/show/6760.Perspective_Made_Easy
goodreads.com/book/show/280794.Perspective_Drawing_Handbook
goodreads.com/book/show/27817875-framed-perspective-vol-1
goodreads.com/book/show/40222341-the-complete-guide-to-perspective-drawing
the last one is most hardcore, the first one is very casual but still good enough imho
>>6667496
in order to get gud you need to draw A LOT. So when you are following book your best bet is to copy it cover to cover + do whatever exercises. Some anons even say to copy it multiple times but i am not fan of that. Why copying 1 book three times when you can copy three books instead (and gain more insight) for the same amount of effort?

>>6667478
Neat my pic made the cover…

Well this is what I’m working on now. The perspective it tricky and I can’t seem to get the bus stop right.

>>6667711
I too would like to know some good books on the subject

>>6667710
>>6667793
Awesome. Thanks for the tips

>>6667825
No way, Pawell is learning perspective, fuck, now he will actually be okay at drawing.
Jokes aside, a better way to practice people in perspective is making them into boxes, with three for the head, rib cage and pelvis. It also makes drawing boxes more fun, which is a godsend, cause they can get pretty boring.

>>6667819
graduated

>>6667819
demoted to prebeg

Just finished this lineart, I'm liking it a lot so far

How do I increase my tolerance for doing studies?

>>6667869
Turn the studies into full drawings

>>6667869
do quick studies

>>6667819
I'm still here just currently too depressed

DRAW THIS INVERTED COCKN BALLS

>>6667886
reminds me of the Giants from Majora's Mask lifting up the moon

Everytime I get the urge to continue learning I just visit some of the AI generals and instantly drop that silly idea. It's unironically over, draw if you solely want to draw for yourself but if you even think about getting a following or making money or something with this forget it, AI has won

Plate down.

Thanks to whichever anon said to do blind contours; it's even just an exercise in KtD but I don't think I really "got" how it was meant to help when I went through that book. It feels a lot more beneficial now.

>>6667896
>draw if you solely want to draw
thanks, I will :)

>>6667896
Music was solved way before AI came about, meaning you could download apps that already give very listenable tracks just by pushing a few buttons (spotify is clogged with these just like pixiv/deviantart, etc... is clogged with AI slop) and yet people still compose music from scratch using their own chord progressions, melodies, etc.. these are better musicians than the hacks that use the former.

Hope this helps

>>6667819
>>6667886
couldn't feel the face planes

FGO has some nice stuff to copy from

maybe cuz I'm stupid I hardly measure stuff so I end up resizing shit, getting there despite this fact

>>6667979
have you applied these studies to any of your original works? would be interested to see. your copies seem to be getting better and better.

>>6668013
those must be the closest thing to original work from imagination I have done in the past 3 months I think

>>6668058
and this one too

>>6668013
thanks btw

>>6667968
I see gondolas, I smile.

Man I have no fucking idea what I am doing.
I know I REALLY need to grind my fundies but this desire to make something "finished" is so goddamn strong.
I don't care if I have to pause every 5 strokes to read up on something I want to take it to the fucking finish line.

I AM TIRED OF JUST DOING SKETCHES AND STUDIES. I WANT TO DRAW MY WAIFU'S LEWD FUCKING BODY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

I will start doing my fundies.

>>6668161
do your figure drawing and Bridgman for 2 hours a day, then make all the lewd pinups you want for the rest of the day!!

>>6668161
Wait a second, I have to jump in, and point out that you did right the most important thing, those tits are glorious. You have achieved already the most important feat. That core appeal. The rest are just details.

>>6668167
Man. In between wageslaving, gym and chores I have like 3 free hours if I forfeit any other kind of activity and sleep only 7 hours.
I WILL TRY. I WILL TRY MY BEST.

>>6668178
T-thanks. I love the way you did her face. I struggle like you have no idea with faces.

had the idea to try painting an object like one of those 3D shaders that base the shading on the angle that the planes of the model are viewed at, can't remember what it was called- which is why there's lighting in weird places where it wouldn't be normally. I'm doing this so that I can try to develop my intuition for painting form from imagination without worrying about simulating actual lighting, an exercise sort of like drawing wireframes over drawn volumes I guess. Took me about an hour. Shouldn't have started doing this at 1:00 AM lol

>>6668246
SOUL. Reminds me of those 90's early 3d shooters. Like the Terminator one.

I did this , haven’t drawn in a while, feels refreshing

>>6667708
As disgusted as I am by your subject matter, I think you need to work on your shading because the picture looks really flat overall.

>>6667708
Where is the massive killing cock?

What do you think of this character design, I’m gonna do a bunch of different fish and small cute riders

>>6667886
Is there anything I can do to improve my rendering?

>>6668302
Looks cute, I'd like to see it in color though.

>>6667893
Is this Bammes?

>>6668302
It looks very cute. The halberd (or whatever weapon that is) seems a little out of place though. A club or bat or even a fishing rod might work better.

>>6668303
use layers?

Can I get the beg evaluation and how to unstiffen it

>>6668253

>>6668310
Oh shit your right. I just watched hxh too

>>6668253
cool stuff
idk where you wanna take that painting, but maybe crank up the contrast a bit when you are done.

>>6668333
>>6668327
oh shit, you posted while i was posting lol

>>6668333
also checked

>>6667893
Pretty fucking dope Im stealing it

>>6668333
Oh ok, will do. I was just painting something for fun, I always set the background to grey it's a habit. Thanks for the advice

4V84TM :/

Poor /beg/ here. My pen nib started to scratch my display but i don't want to waste a perfectly fine pen nib, can i sand my sharp part of the nib or is it ngmi if i do that.

>work on a piece for two days straight
>almost done
>flip canvas one more time
>see the issues
>hate it
I think I've hit another I hate my art valley. This sucks
Time to do some heavily reffed drawings to feel better I guess.
Fuck it we ball

>>6668404
It's literally just plastic so yes sand it if you want

>>6667496
This is my attempt at tracing human hand holding a spider study. sorry for inconsistent lines, i was experimenting with different brushes

>>6668409
sorry i meant to repsond to op

>>6668409
Looks cool

Posting my work

So gesture is capturing moment using convex shapes in place of the subject's axis and then building up your drawing around those convex shapes? Is that right?

Advice on methods?

>>6668429
Torso looks to long

Name a book that describes to how to articulate foliage!

>>6668429
My humble suggestion

Trying out more textured brushes.

>>6667830
I like this one aswell, qt.
Vanishing point is too close

help me /ic/, i'm in a crisis
i want to become a NSFW artist and start taking commissions, but the issue are:
- i like using outlines a lot as i'm used to pixel art, working with a limited palette and doodling
- i also like how painting/rendering allows me to make things look really soft
which leads to pic related where the boobs look good, but i have no idea how to tackle the nipples, hair, features, details like frills, etc. i don't want everything to look as simple and fleshy as the tits, but i don't wanna ruin them by adding more outline to them. any tips or recommendations for artists who pull off this combination?

>>6668582
and this is how i draw when doing pixelshit which i'm more comfortable with but i was told that the softer, painterly look suits my style better even though i'm quite new to it :/

>should be practicing
>too tired and lazy to do studies
>too uninspired to draw from imagination

Some progress was made.

I felt the need to incorporate the phrase I Forgive You into the piece,to turn the confusion into speculation over what's going on in the picture. I will have to conquer the roadway tiles next. A little calculation is required in this case to get the pattern right. The problem is resolving the angles between the figures and the projected other end of the roadway,and to make the tiles extend under the characters convincingly. And after that,a touch of ink here and there.

is "big medium small " the most important rule to make good art?

>>6667741
I also think that pose looks better when you can only see the eyes

>>6668603
Yea but I call it the "my dick most dicks your dick" rule instead

Hello /ic/. Complete fucking imbecile here. Can't even draw stick figures. I need to draw a shoe from a top-down view in photoshop (picrel + reference). How do I get the shadows looking decent? Help would be appreciated. Don't know where else to ask.

This month's pose, session 2/3

Haven't had time to post anything in a while so here's a quick perspective exercise from Vandruff course

>>6668637

>>6668617
basedjak boot

>>6668547
nosoul variation

If Loomis heads are not the right way to do them, where should I look? Huston? I've watched the 3 hour video and tried to follow along but when he starts getting into how the head connects to the neck from the back view and all the other angles I lose the plot and can't go on any longer. Does it get better?

>>6668684
All ways of constructing heads are shortcuts and simplification. If you can't draw a head without construction, then that's what you should learn to do first.

>>6668610
WHAT?!

>>6668675
directorscut

>>6667830
since the bench is above the horizon, shouldn't we see a bit of the bottom of it?

>>6668193
gimme your discord or something, I'll try to help you out bro. The world needs more urabe fan art

>>6668317
Loosen up
>>6668438
Foliage is tough to draw
>>6668451
Just find a book on drawing landscapes

>>6668675
>>6668773
stop ruining other peoples' work with your AI cancer

>>6668429
Wow, this is so well, rendered. The hands and arms are the main issues, just in terms of proportions. That clothing overall idea design it's great!
I did a redline, but mostly to suit my own taste in figure and design. Maybe it can help you.

>>6668874
Hold the fuck up. Are you the same autist who made the atelier series where girls were naked in front of an audience and all of their torsos where kind of bulging and had bimbo faces?

>>6668862
thanks but no ai was involved,

>>6668879
No. I don't remember even seeing that pic. Was that posted here? I've been out of /ic/ for a long time. I'm more of a lurker really.

>>6668813
You can find me at @drooltist. It is filled with mediocre crap, though, so don't expect to find anything worth a damn.

>>6668907
I don't know what the fuck is going on here, but there's definitely SOUL in it.

>>6668903
I don't really know how twitter works but if you have questions message me and I will try to help you

Is Zoo allowed?

>>6668883
so you're stuff just looks like it was made by a soulless robot naturally

>>6668911

Thanks anon
I'd expand further but It's supposed to be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

God the father is on the right, representing YHWH and Judiasm, but is represented as a child because I had a closer connection to that religion when I was younger. He symbolizes the gift of talent as a young artist, and the limitless potential.

God the Holy Spirit is in the center, which truth be told, I still don't even fully understand but for me it symbolizes the "journey" of art. Typically represented as a dove in art. I drew the hands that way because to some degree one must have faith even in the face of uncertainty, or especially when one wants to give up or feel liek they're ngmi.

God the Son is on the left, as Christ, but I prefer not to show his face. For me, he represents not only personal sacrifice, but gratitude as well in the face of ones own limitations as a man.

Emerson said it the best in the essay "The Poet" which I think beautifully outlines the source of creativity and the artists role:
https://archive.vcu.edu/english/engweb/transcendentalism/authors/emerson/essays/poet.html

>For the Universe has three children,Note born at one time, which reappear, under different names, in every system of thought, whether they be called cause, operation, and effect; or, more poetically, Jove, Pluto, Neptune; or, theologically, the Father, the Spirit. and the Son; but which we will call here, the Knower, the Doer, and the Sayer. These stand respectively for the love of truth, for the love of good, and for the love of beauty. These three are equal. Each is that which he is essentially, so that he cannot be surmounted or analyzed, and each of these three has the power of the others latent in him, and his own patent.

What do you think guys? Am i gonna make it

Picrel made for some gamedev who remakes Heroes 3 but in darkest dungeon style. Haven't drawn in a month, havend painted digitally for even longer.

>>6668961
animalfucking belongs to >>/mlp/ and >>/trash/ as far as i know.

>>6669106
Dunno man, post something that isn't a silhouette with american pop-art background and I probably could judge you.

Is there a good online course/step by step guide with a detailed study plan (Assignments/Homework) that I can follow? I don't care if it costs money or not, I'll just pirate it. I have a really hard time to learn by myself, I need something I can stick to and check the boxes off one by one.

>>6669109
The closest thing I can think of is Drawabox but it sucks shit. I want one too.

>>6668275
Certainly! I have been mainly using the soft (semi textured) round brushes. I am now getting into using the good ol' square brush. I also have the 'comb' brush for finalizing rendering, and giving the painting look. Not only that, but I want to go with the lineless look. Kinda my first time going for something like this, But best belive I'll try to make it pop! Especially with the material texture, and post fx I will be doing
>Mainly color balacing, and contrast.
>>6668283
It shall come soon :)

>Should note that I'll be going for a simple package. Not that the on model peen would look off for a golem-like being. But I more or less want to get normal peens down; before the croning-berg bod horror.
>This may come off as a bit fan fictiony, but I image as this F&H guard to not be as messed up/hostile. And still a bit human like. Mainly him resting near by a camp fire, and noticing the 'player' coming across him in the buff.
>I will paint on the harness the guards usually has on.
>>6668253
Aye, dope stuff! Amazing work with the hair texture! :D

>>6669200
As for the colors, I will totally make it warmer looking, once most of it is set. Ngl, was pretty hard to get the look down for the guards color. Since its mosly grey, and warm browns. This is probably a generic choice, But I wanted to get something like pic rel's look. Altho there are speciific painting renders that have the 3d 'comb' look to them.

>>6669209
Ps, heres an example of the FX applies. Simple noise grain texture & color curve.
>Sorry its in screenshots of it, but file is very big to post on here. And will change it up alot, as the final step.

WIP the mossy tree posted ITT. Can't do more for the day, any critique or pointer?

>>6667794
>>6667825
>>6667783
I told him what you said. He's trying harder now. I asked him how he's so good at straight lines in pen. He said he used to draw battleships and shit in school. He's been holding out on me!

But anyway, your responses really encouraged him. I called him a tryhard faggit, but it's all in good fun.

I didn't redraw it, but I cleaned it up a little and did a little shading...

But in the spirit of the advice (to redraw it) I'm starting a different photo of the same girl (there's a ton on the female thread >>6663032)
I originally wasn't going to use this one. Although it's sfw, there's no hands to practice, but idc. I can focus on getting the shoes right. This is all I have time for.
This one's on marker paper that was on clearance at Wal Mart. I plan to go over it in .25mm gel pen and then color it with ballpoint. Any tips or suggestions welcome.

I'm not going for perfect 1:1, but of there's anything glaringly bad let me know before I switch to pen.

>>6669215
thighs of that thing are horribly misshapen, as if by putrid buboes and swelling caused by some sort of STD. Check your proportions sir.

>>6669215
DRAW THE FUCKING COCK.

>>6668582
I see yukari booby and i coom

does anyone have good references for Russian/Ukrainian military uniforms? the problem in the photos is usually something about it is covered

I have to draw naked dudes because I get too horny when I am drawing naked women. Especially boobs and ass.

>>6669288
become a gay porn artist and make dem monies

>>6669267
My apoligieze on that front. Legit went into the final like art to fix up the muscle landmarks via ref. Pretty hard to convey thigh shape in this angle.
>Not to mention the models legs are like tree sized logs, and actually hve bulbous muscle mass.
>>6669275
It shall come in time :)
Going the paint over of lines atm, and plan on cleaning up those, in the render process.

Plus it'll make the cock paint over easier, since I dont have to draw the sketch lines, remove the drawn stuff behind it, ect.

actually found a little more time and resized the image to the intended viewing size

>>6669288
become more human and just stop cumming over the littlest things. I know this is hard to ask from someone who is a 4chan addict but do consider.

how do you decide what to draw for fun when you're too beg to know what anything looks like

WIP update before I finish

>>6668547
>>6668803
Ya there are definitely a few problems. I changed a few minor things but I think it just is what it is at this point. Good practice though. Will try and do better next time.

If anyone could point me to a good perspective book or tutorials I’d greatly appreciate it.

>>6669330

>how do you decide what to draw for fun when you're too beg to know what anything looks like

....

>how do you decide what to draw for fun when you're too beg to know what anything looks like

sorry just the wording on this post hurts my head
Try practicing looking at a real object and just draw the outline contour without looking at your paper. just practice hand eye coordination and you'll see the difference between drawing what you think something looks like, and the actual contour seen from your eye.

or you could just trace the outline on things like scissors to gain more familiarity of organic lines.

just i get the feeling youre labeling yourself beg too harshly, just draw, and dont worry about posting it on 4chan or anything. dont worry about drawing for fun rn, this hits more in the flow stage

>>6669282
i like your style but i refuse to enable military/historical autismos sorry

The texturin has begun

>>6669349

thoughts?

>>6669349
BASED

>>6669369
Limbs look too thin and hands are miniscule.

>>6669250
when you're copying from photos, remember to also focus on the internal parts of the figure. The bone system is a great help to getting the shape right. I recommend studying the Loomis mannequin in his figure drawing book, in the first chapter

>>6669282
Why don't you try /chug/ and /uhg/ on /pol/? I'm sure there's a vatnik and/or hohol who will help.

What do I do now? I'm tired but I have an hour or so before bed. I don't want to work on anything good.

>>6669371
Hmm, how much bigger should they be? tanya is very smol and thin from the references ive looked at

>>6669374
alright, i will try

>>6669380
I see. Truthfully i don't like the proportions in your reference but comparing them side by side your drawing does look to have slightly thinner limbs and smaller hands imo.

>>6669390
Okay i see, thanks:))

>>6669372
>book
I'ma be real with you. That's never going to happen. I found a video where the guy has the diagram on page 40. I'm watching it now.
I'm just not buying books. Not right now.

>>6669372
Well, so far I learned something. When I was doing construction without a reference, I used my own body to figure out proportions. The Loomis video pointed out that the female navel is below the elbow, for example. This explains why shit looked off on my earlier work.

>>6669374
it worked :D

>>6669380
NTA, and I don't have time for a proper redline, so look at pic related.
Just a question, don't take it badly: Why, having the character sheet of this character, didn't you first try to study it? Like, breakdown the proportions, the shapes, etc? It's fine if you are doing a redesign on your own style, but if you post the sheets, you gotta at least do that.

>>6669390
IMO, this is a good example of a child's proportions, but in anime (they tend to have a bigger head). Loomis, if I remember my studies, put a child at 6 heads tall, so for a smaller, slender and stylized child, the proportions make sense.

This is harder than you guys make it look. Cylinders are evil.

(I'm just messing around with shapes to try and get the hang of drawing them, not trying to construct a piece or anything.)

>it's sweaty hands weather

>>6669215
you need understanding of form not fx

>>6669352
send over the ref there is no fucking way someone is this ugly

>>6669473
I disagree. Proportionally bigger hands and feet, combined with slightly shorter and thicker limbs make someone look younger. Check out this dude called Possummachine to see what i mean.

Tanya's proportions feel very stylized to me, and not in a good way.

Why are cartoon faces this fucking hard

>>6669530
They are a symbol of reality, if you do not understand how to convey form you will not understand how to stylize it.

>>6669482
Oh! I kind of get it, I think.

>>6669527
But... both are stylized, Possummachine is for sexualization (ngl, risky search of the day, didn't expect lolis lmao), Tanya's design is for the author's tastes. Anyways, I actually like both, just think that Tanya is a better representation of, you know, an actual child, not a loli.

>>6669297
Are you by chance the same anon who drew xenogears birth fan art? It has the same repulsive vibe

>>6669297
Is this fear and hunger fanart? GJ if so

>>6667478
I can color now, right?
Nothing wrong, right?

>>6669593
Fix big boob's feet first

>>6669565
Oh shit sorry you had to see that lol, that dude draws them super young. I still believe that the proportions i mentioned earlier apply to hebes to a degree.

>>6669599
Give me a red line?
I'm struggling at this angle

>>6669495
True. I should fit in more form routines, so I can be sped
>>6669511
I had to take some liberties with the model :)
https://fearandhunger.wiki.gg/wiki/Guard
>>6669575
That is quite a sentence lmao. I have not done so. First time poster in /ic/.
>>6669588
Yessirr! One and only guard.

>>6669593
it's over

>>6669604
knew it lmao, giga based
More than form i'd add some scenario, like maybe the cleaver leaning against the wall, some chains and torture devices
And right, about the scenario i think you want to make sure that the dude is resting his back on something to put him into the scene, rn he's like, levitating

>>6669604
knew it lmao, giga based
More than form or proportions (which should be fucked and distorted) i'd add some scenario, like maybe the cleaver leaning against the wall, some chains and torture devices
And right, about the scenario i think you want to make sure that the dude is resting his back on something to put him into the scene, rn he's like, levitating

tried painting digitally for the first time any crits?

i used soft brush w/ opacity on and masking off and yolo'd on a single layer

>>6669622
reference

Did another leggie
>>6669619
>maybe the cleaver leaning against the wall, some chains and torture devices

Holy hell, I promise I'm not a time traveler, but I have added a sketch of him with his cleaver next to him! As for the levitating issue, The colored BG is supposed to be the stone wall. Its def abstract as hell, since I want to do the flame light color on it, and then the bod.

>>6669627
Heres the early draft. Its right behind the skull brush test.

>>6669482
Cylinders are just circles in perspective, practice drawing circles in enclosed boxes and connecting them.

>>6669653
I'm starting to see...

>>6669653
Yeah, I know that logically - the problem is I draw curves/ellipses like a drunk double-amputee, so it's not really the knowing that's the problem

>>6669687
Than your problem may lie on your line control. You can try to devote some time each day just drawing straight lines and curves until it's natural.

>>6667478
I've only ever drawn as a hobby, but haven't done so in many years. I want to go back into it in some capacity and I'm trying out a pen display for the first time.

>>6669687
Unironically, Draw a Box may help you, just take it slow, make the line control exercises a warm up, and you get there.

>>6669735
you're mogging half the thread already

Should I draw with line stabilisation on or off?

well, i’ve taken my finals and summer break has arrived
what /ic/ course do you anons suggest i take?

>>6668841
Very very cool, would buy

>>6668874
You’re not good enough to red line this drawing kek

>>6669773
don't disrespect the redline gigachad

>>6669004
Wow, thanks so much for the explanation. Now I wonder how one should label this whole concept.. it is Christianity, or something else?, I don't know.
You should get some art education to express all of this in a richest artistic form, it seems it is something you really like.

>>6669107
Cool pic anon
>>6669109
>I don't care if it costs money or not, I'll just pirate it.
LMAO! Fucking brilliant

>>6669766
https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

>second time now that CSP ate my tool property button because i clicked it wrong
>nothing short of resetting the workspace could bring it back even though it was selected in the window menu
yeah i'll pay a monthly subscription for this

>>6669814
Hey Tone, I see you trying to hide those hands and feet by going past the canvas lines. Now you got your woman looking like a stretchy rubber girl with all that distance you cross just to get past the border of the canvas. Ain't no fun there. You gotta show some hands and feet! And take it easy on the detail lines on her mid section

>>6669622
cool, what are you using PS, Ipad?

>>6669482
>>6669553
These are good anon. Just keep at it. Keep going.

>>6668429
this is great

>>6667478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwfFv5KpJrk

Hi beg, i keep my brain getting expanded. I think you could legit use this to foreshorten difficult body parts like arm pointing at the camera

>>6669836
krita doesnt have this problem :-)
>>6669760
for practice off. the harder the practice the better. the stabilizer is your hand
>>6669622
too blurry
>>6669593
super stiff. do you even gesture? or is this traced from some 3d modeler?
>>6669530
that is pretty cool anime thot, just add nose
>>6669330
less thinking more drawing
>>6669109
keys to drawing has projects with checkmarks, perspective made easy has tasks, bargue drawing course is basically list of 150 drawings to copy
>>6669107
pro
>>6669106
very cool and appealing actually, you are on right path
>>6668773
the white outline of the bench and the complete lack of casted shadows (casted shadow is the DARKEST and its surroundings should make sharp contrast) make it look like the bench and her shoes arent connected to the floor, same for bench under her ass
>>6668617
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/102
>>6668603
not at all, it is just handy rule for being efficient while painting / drawing so you dont spend 2 hours on rendering piece of picture which isnt important anyway
>>6668595
i like this a LOT. the faces are crazy cool
>>6668582
i am not sure what you are asking, but i guess its this?
https://www.deviantart.com/annikeandrews/art/Material-studies-2-546596795
aka how to make a difference between textures on your thots? just get a reference and make a study of nipples? to learn how to render them in your style?
>>6668451
On Drawing Trees and Nature - James Duffield, Drawing Nature - Stanley Maltzman
>>6668438
i kneel

>>6669814
Eyes are odd line. Collar bone should probably have a bigger gap. It's not a drawing issue but the right foot pose is kinda awkward

A tiger man sketch

a quick request i did yesterday

>>6669847
i have a wacom with a screen on it

>>6669895
>too blurry
lol is it the brush? i didnt like the texture either

>>6669814
The pic reminds me to a basketball pose. Basket players have weird figure proportions, are not easy to do, so I try a redline, just for the challenge, I guess.

Basketball sketch

>>6669926
Dude, did we posted the same basketball related thing at the same time, or what the hell?
Nice pic btw

>>6669939
Thanks, was inspired by the game that just ended

>>6669960
NNNNNNICE!!!

>>6669895
I haven't found a way to shrink krita's UI to be as out of the way as CSP

>>6669895
Post some of your actual work I'm curious, or are you one of those types that only learn fundies and never actually draw because they are afraid it will look like shit and thus only ever draw fundies and expect to magically one day spit out a mona lisa?

>>6669960
She should get checked for breast cancer

>>6670154
OHH SHE'LL BE CHECKED ALLRIGHT!
>*WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE PROD PROD*

Is copying morpho twice as good as bridgeman?

>>6670150
This is my ultimate fear, I'm a total /beg/ and doing fundies stresses my out because of this.

need help with comp and figure

>>6670164
There is a big learning curve to learn how to learn.

Try to learn by having fun, for instance download something of what you want to draw in the future and then draw cylinders over the limbs, a cube over the head in the right perspective etc.If it's an enviroment try finding the horizon line and vanishing points. And put what you learned to paper as soon as you learned it. And remember that it's okay to suck at the beginning, you will suck dick for a looong time.

What else do I need, should I replace something with something else? I honestly don't want to do the loomis stuff. Is there anything newer more modern? Also with what book should I start?

>>6670187
start with any of them. You'll improve regardless. Even if you try to go for a more "basic book" you'll hate your own drawings because you're missing the "advanced" information.

Actually, there is no basic or advanced information. It's all just drawing. So just pick a book and start. I like Vilppu + Bridgman + Morpho personally

>>6670169
very good

>>6670169
This looks nice already anon. Do you have any other work that you see something is looking clearly off?

Retard here, can someone explain to me why the left eye is slightly lower than the right eye? Why are they not on a straight line? Is it implied that the face is slightly leaning towards one side? I feel retarded maybe I'm overthinking this

>>6670221
you're seeing the face slightly from above

>>6670221
Nah, you still can use straight lines to figure it out, its just the angle. Bit of a scruffy example but this should make it more sensible....

>>6670221
you mean like this?

>>6668161

Here's my take

>>6670251
>>6670250
Thanks I think I get it now. My autism thinks everything needs to be in level.

>>6668303
Looks very nice

Beginner here (3 days)
Do you remember how much time did it take you to be able to draw cubes?

>>6670366
Depends, if you practice a lot you could have that down in a week, it took me a month to really get it.

>>6667522
everything in that country is either copied from the soviet union or copied for china (there everything is also copied from the soviet union), this thing is called aгитaциoнный плaкaт

>>6670169
>>6670205
not at the moment, no.
ill keep working on this one...

can finally start with the real deal

>>6670413
shoulder bothers me, the front boundary should be lower at least, where it has some folds leading to the top of the breast
personally i would try to find a reference for the back silhouette and shoulder proportions
i think you want the focal point of the composition to be the mouth or eyes, but my eyes are drawn to the neck and shoulder. maybe try pushing the shadow below the head? then you can also put a value contrast near the top of the shoulder which is kind of erotic.

>>6670472
based perspective autismo

>>6670429
looked at my own shoulder looked fine to me, but im retarded so you might to repaint it for me anon :(

how can I get more interesting poses

>draw at desk
>back pain from hunching over
>move screen to floor, draw laying down
>neck pain from looking up
is picrel the ergonomic solution?

i havent drawn anything for almost a year and now it feels like my shit is all fucked up. all my lines feel wobbly and my spatial understanding is completely off. basic gesture and perspective is a real struggle and anything dynamic or 3d feels way beyond my reach. it sucks but its also making me motivated to get started again

>>6670495
just copy interesting poses

>>6669553

>>6670489
something like this

>>6670150
https://pawell2418.github.io/?tags=~art

>>6670164
dont be silly anon, the only difference between studies and "art" is that with art you say you did it for different motivation than leveling up your fundies. other than that its the same thing

What canvas size do you recommend for studies (gesture and figure) I find myself running out of space vertically but I like having horizontal space as well.
please please recommend something

>>6670594
5kx5k

>>6670530
Dude these are great! look at the kewt doggy right there! Keep at it man!

>>6670329
Damn nice. Wish you could take a proper scan of it.

I think I will start with nicotine, no gay vaping or cool smoking though, but pouches. I can get 24 pouches for just €3.80 which is cheap as fuck. Apparently nicotine helps you stay focused and makes you learn faster, so if I take a drug why not the best natural stimulant there is?

>>6670744
But it makes you get older faster

>>6670744
Nicotine alone constrict your blood vessels, giving you a much higher chance to die from cardiovascular diseases at a young age plus the focus is short lived compared to caffeine which isn't bad for your health as long as you don't take too much of it... furthermore it's highly addictive... start at your own risk.

>>6670744
>too weak-willed to maintain focus without a chemically altered state of mind
>thinks will is strong enough to abuse stimulants responsibly
NGMI, dead in a ditch of a fentanyl overdose within 12 months

>>6670530
toribash

I didn't know tracing over could be this quick & fun. Sorry for the gross lines, I'm still in the process of discovering the tools of procreate on my humble Ipad mini.

>>6670818
I tried copying it on paper irl but I think I made too many mistakes and gave up.
Welp anyway I need to go back practicing the basics otherwise I will ngmi.

>>6670818
nice

Tried copying using the krenz method but it's kinda scuffed, I won't do it 100% though, that's just too much for me.

>>6670750
thats only with cigarettes

>>6670843
So are you buying an old pipe then? That' would be badass

>>6670835
you're doing good bro. remember that when copying more difficult subjects, you'll have to start using anatomical and form knowledge, along with copying.

>>6670744
if you wanna abuse stims just get an ADHD prescription and do medical meth

>>6670744
Do energy drinks if you are a pussy.

>>6670948
>ou'll have to start using anatomical and form knowledge, along with copying.

Wdym

I get really frustrated when drawing trees

AAAAAAAAAAAI JUST ATE A BAG OF CHEETOS IN 10 MINUTES I'M BLOATED LIKE A BALOON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>6671044
Tried again, i got frustrated again

>>6671066
You gotta deactivate that with Mountain Dew quick!

>>6671044
>>6671071
This guy has several video's on drawing trees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87hmf1qUSVU

>>6671084
Thanks

>>6669622
tried again with a hard round in grayscale

watched a sinix vid and now im inspired

>>6670535
I see, very subtle change. Thank you.

reference

>>6671219

>>6671220

>>6671223

>>6671219
>>6671220
The values are completely wrong here. Doesn't even look like the reference at all.

>>6671225
are you being retarded or do you mean my shapes are fucked up bc only the latter makes sense

As usual, the gel pen outline is worse than the pencil sketch. I'm hoping it will look good once I do the multicolor pen shading.
Probably not. I probably should do more drawing and less rendering, but I'm doing this as a hobby and I just want to do it this way.
Maybe it will turn out great. I doubt it, but one ban hope.
(I really shouldn't have done the armpit shadow outline in black.)

>>6671229

>>6671243
i rescind my statement thanks for the resource anon

i didnt pull the colors straight off the image i just picked what i thought looked right

>>6671246
nta i can't identify colors for shit either, it's a thing to practice

>>6671232
really, your problem is that you've been working on this one drawing since yesterday. You should be doing many drawings per day

>>6671229
No I mean what the hell are these values >>6671220 you retard

>>6671232
>I probably should do more drawing and less rendering, but I'm doing this as a hobby and I just want to do it this way.
That's not an excuse mate, you are just holding yourself back with this mentality. If you want to do art as a hobby, then you should push yourself until you are at least having fun drawing and can say: hey, this looks pretty good. Until then, being a hobbyist isn't an excuse to not even try.

reference

first painting i did

>>6671277
i tried limiting myself to 3 grayscale colors to block out everything instead of picking out all values

>>6671287
That's like the worst reference for a beg at painting, why didn't you pick a normal still life?

>>6671255
>>6671286
But then how will I learn pen multicolor shading? That shit takes time.

>>6671291
why wouldnt i want to challenge myself instead of lobotomizing myself to drawing an apple on a box

ive done a bunch of trad paintings in oil i want something more engaging

>>6671294
do you have some kind of autism, old man? Either work hard at drawing, or be okay with sucking. But don't get mad at people when they don't like your art.

Since we are posting the books we are going read. Thoughts on this as all my books to read this year? Im half way done with head drawing and bridgmans complete. Going to do all of constructive anatomy from imagination(without looking at reference while drawing) after im done with complete. And then round out the year with loomis's figure drawing book.

>>6671288
try 2

>>6671302
>Accuses me of autism when he can't answer the question.
Why do I trigger this bad behavior in you? I'm really starting to suspect you have serious issues. I've put probably three hours into this today. You think I'm getting any less value than if I just did mass figures? Stop being such an asshole know it all. My progress in under a year while working a full time job speaks for itself. Whatever your issue are you can stop being rude to me. No one likes that behavior.
>mad at people when they don't like your art.
I get a decent about of positive feedback IRL. I'm not mad if someone doesn't like it. I'm just tired of the people who give bad, incorrect, and pointless advice rudely, and then when they are called out on it, they retcon it into "he didn't like the criticism."
You really believe that, follow your own advice. Take MY criticism of YOUR RUDE behavior to heart and stop taking like a fucking asshole. You're not right, and you're not helping.
There's far more people that don't like your attitude than don't like my posts.

>>6671371
most people irl will blow smoke up your ass unless they're other artists and you specifically ask for critique

this guy is right it would probably be better for you to mow through multiple drawings instead of toiling all day on a single one. of course good works take time but its good to just draw over and over when learning

think of it like doing sets at a gym if u draw a bunch of mini half-decent sketches eventually youll be able to do what you want no sweat

>>6671383
Then how will I learn multicolor pen shading? That was the question.
>would probably be better
Which means possibly would not be better.
>IRL will blow smoke
I know who's lying and I can tell the difference. I've even done shit ones to see if I get false praise.

Also the time to critique was >>6669250 here.
This is where and more importantly when I asked. I didn't ask for shit after it was inked, nor an assessment of how I should allocate my practice. I never acknowledged that this was the standard thinking.
My problem with him is the rudeness. My problem with (you) is like him, you aren't addressing the question. How do I get better at this technique of I don't put hours into it. This is a terminal goal not a incidental goal. It's intrinsically subjective and there's no arguing that it's what I want to do. The argument that massing figures will make me better at figures much less multicolor shading isn't a certainty. I've personally tried it and found that taking my time on a single piece had yielded dramatically better results for me, and seeing as I've already acknowledged that mass figures is the group think and that I'm the only one with access to excitemental data on what works for me, I'm going to say that on the subject of what is working more effectively for me, I'm the better informed individual here.
Cranking out progressively less shitty figures may have worked for (you). It may have worked for the majority of your class, but I can assure you it is a horribly inefficient waste of my time and effort.
You know what else is a waste of time and effort? Arguing with me after I already acknowledged the commonly held way of doing it and that out explained that I wasn't.

>>6671397
The time you spent typing all that shit could have been spent on drawing.

>>6671397
dude why are you so anal? yes people here are unfiltered and some people are just here to troll but at the end of the day its all just advice to point you in a better direction artistically. why even ask if you're gonna get so butthurt when someone gives you advice?

>>6671342
got a ref for this? looks nice

>>6671397
Ojisan, there isn't an argument to be had here. You're posting your crappy works, people are giving you advice, and you're blowing them off. No wonder people are being rude to you. You earned all the hate you got.

>>6671294
Get better at drawing first, it will make rendering easier.
>>6671371
Oh, you are that anon... Fuckin drama queen

>can do 1k hours in a game within a month no problem
>but hard pressed to even do 2 hours a day drawing
I've been thinking, maybe if i have irl drawfriend(s) it can help discipline my sorry ass but fuck if i even have any friend, my shut in ass sure don't.

>>6671489
video games are piss easy compared to drawing. You're addicted to accomplishing something for little effort, anon

>>6671489
I literally hate video games now. Can only play stuff made pre 2010 and if not I just play paradox games. Just start hating all videogames like me and you'll spend more time drawing

>>6671489
>>6671492
This.
I'm also addicted to video games. They're the one thing holding me back from improving. Just set aside an hour or two a day until it stops feeling like a chore.

How long have (You) been /beg/ so far? This is year 7 for me. I don't think I've made much progress after year 3 as I'm still stuck doing gestures and struggling with form but I'm moving forward.

>>6671515
>stuck doing gestures
slow down on your studies. If you take less than 20 minutes on a study, you're doing it wrong. Make them detailed and accurate. This is the best way to learn form. Yes, you copy, to learn form. This didn't make sense to me until recently either, but it's the quickest way to improve.

I suggest copying through Jack Hamm or Bridgman.

>>6671515
Post work

Ok, so I did a lineart that I like.
How the hell I color it? Last time I colored the piece I had to very carefully paint colors in and hunt down the stuff that went outside the lines, it took quite a lot of time. Is there a faster way? Bucket tool just overflows everywhere.

>>6671564
what program

>>6671566
Krita

Hello beg, some of you are alright, dont attempt to draw cylinders at home. it is dangerous

>>6671346
hmmm need some blending
>>6671318
cannot comment on the books myself since i didnt do any of these yet but its the common suspects recommended by practically everybody so you are good to go i guess
>>6671232
i can tell you simply dont have enough kilometers of line drawn mileage yet. simply draw more
>>6670744
nicotine is shit stimulant. coffee, energy drinks is shit where is at. but i should discourage you anyway. the body will eventually build resistance + dependence on the stimulants. so over time you will feel like corpse without them and barely okay with them. they arent meant for long term use, only as emergency short bursts when you need to skip sleeping to meet deadlines or ace school test. not for getting gut at drawing
>>6670594
did you know you can increase canvas size at any point? also some apps have this feature called endless canvas where you can never run out of space
>>6670366
1 year beg here, i still cannot draw cubes nor cylinders and looking at my dislike towards them i will probably never learn this. it is over
>>6671564
close the gaps so it doesnt overflow then

>>6671568
>close the gaps so it doesnt overflow then
What if it's a stylistic choice to have lines like this?
I could just remove the lines afterwards, but it feels like I could forget about those in meanwhile.

>>6671564
for me, it’s
>select the blank space outside of your lineart
>increase selection by 1
>invert selection
>fill in selection with bucket tool
>enable clipping mask/alpha lock
>color in
>?????
>finish

>>6671571
On your color layer, close them with a small line with the same color that you intend to fill.

>>6671571
>make a new layer on top of lineart (or below it doesn’t matter just make a new layer)
>close the gaps on this new layer
>the closed gaps don’t even have to be super clean desu
>make another color layer
>when selecting or filling in with the bucket tool or selection wand, make sure the tool applies to the CANVAS
>delete the layer with closed gaps
picrel is medibang on ipad but any decent art program should have something similar

>>6671578
But that still means I have to find those gaps. I suppose there no other way, then. Thanks!

>>6671572
>>6671579
I will try those methods, too. Thanks!

>>6671232
>I'm doing this as a hobby and I just want to do it this way
Why even post if that's your attitude?
Go post on /i/

Posting my work

>>6671611
GET OUT OF /BEG/. GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT.

when do i git gud at gesture :(

>>6671630
Though it takes a lifetime, you will see improvement every day!

>>6670505
Look good to me. It probably takes a month of drawing daily to get back the gains. Don't let your passion die.

>>6671515
Year 6. Vidya ruined me.

>>6667478
Mad Scientist and a Cyborg Girl that's been turned into a Puppet

>>6671342
is it her?

>>6671342
>torpedo tits, point toward opposite directions

Does anyone have that one website that would pick a random object for you to draw?

NEW THREAD
>>6671817
>>6671817
>>6671817

>>6671515
Three months

>>6671611
I like the smugface, but it feels like you weren't paying as much attention to the body. Also the ears are different sizes, and the overall character design looks like a bunch of arbitrary accessories thrown on a doll. I assume this is a famous vtuber or something?

Tips on how I can improve my gesture drawing skills? Haven't gotten to anatomy yet since I'm not experienced enough since I've been relearning the fundamentals and now I'm trying out gesture drawing for A year or for as long as it takes me too get good at it.

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