/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Reminder: we are all /begs/ before the Lord

Sketch of husbando

>>6663833
There are no deity except Loomis
Loomis is the only the lord savior

>>6663837
>deity
>dies in 1959

KWAB.

Oof, ouch, my gesturecrabs.....

>>6663840
but he still lives in your head rent free

>>6663856
>top left
holy sexo

>shoulder pain on the second day of drawing
Damn, shouldn't have procrastinated till 30s.

How do you guys practice with pencil? Do you have a drawing stand? Drawing on a table seems out of question for me.

>>6663872
get a clipboard? a lot of small sketchbooks have enough support for you to draw while standing too

>>6663833
Amen

>>6663834
mentally ill

WIP update

All the books are going to be a pain in the butt, but it’s chugging along. I should finish it by the end of the day. Would be sooner but I’m binging the old Justice League cartoons again and I keep getting distracted lol.

>>6663882
comfy, good work anon

I don't understand the different blending modes and why everyone uses multiply for shading, whenever I try using multiply the results are ugly.

>>6663886
reduce the opacity or use a lighter shade

I know it's irrational to blame brushes but I'm currently using Laine's charcoal brushpack and I'm starting to feel like one of the brushes is holding me back and it's my favourite brush to use in sketching and I find myself actively frustrated by it now.
What are some good procreate brushes?

>>6663875
I feel retarded now. That will do until I get a stand.

WIP
i need some advice on getting the colours down, i can never seem to find ones that work with the blue background.

Sup. Am new here. Bout to get a (part time) job as a postal worker. So gonna grind some drawings. Made a whole ass doc to keep track of methods, and exercises to do. F&H game is pretty, interesting...

>>6663831
Made this

>>6663963
And this, today

>>6663936
Try following this

>>6663936
make your shadow tones more blue

>>6663965
much better lips and small plane changes on the baby

>>6660482
I fucking did it. Copied the entire thing. Man that's satisfying to look at.

>>6663994
nice anon

>>6663994
God damn it. I forgot the bottom left part of the shirt. kek

>>6663994
holy based

Plate #2 in the books.

>>6663831
What's your honest critique, /ic/? :)

can someone explain what the fuck loomis means when he’s instructing how to draw the sitting figure

>>6664069
horrifying but still drawing more than all of ic

>>6664074
>loomis
is this fun with a pencil? I've found it to be a newbie trap if this is what you are starting with

>>6663994
Anon... The nose, it looks like a penis

>>6664082
>fetish artist draws SFW

>>6664069
looks fun, the pichu is cute but surge needs to have a shoulder.
Study some shoulders and see how they move when the arm is raised!

>>6664081
no i'm reading figure drawing for all it’s worth, sorry

>>6664074
post the page?

>>6664082
you have penis on the brain

>>6664090
help
like.. what if i want to adjust the figure to be shorter than 8 hds? or i want them sitting in a more relaxed pose?

>>6664104
wait i think i kinda get it now?? i’m retarded
i gotta work through this book more

>>6664080
>horrifying
Be more specific

>>6664084
>Study some shoulders and see how they move when the arm is raised!
Gotcha, thanks!!

So to summarize last thread:

>don't start with gesture as pre-beg, just copy things from life, from movies games or whatever the fuck just draw while learning fundies on the side

>>6664123
I see, thank you.

>>6664123
Oh shit, here we go again.

just posting to share, but always open to criticism. a little fanart for an obscure game
finished painting this one in. obviously still need a lot of practice in the future i butchered the gun and fumbled the dress
this is just a print of the original drawing i did, as i wanted to use this as practice before painting the real one, but im honestly fairly happy, like 85% satisfied, with how this one turned out, and might just call it done here. even though the paper was weak and got a bit tortured by the watercolors, i think the distressed look adds some character to the final product
now i just need to wait for the next time this game comes up in a thread to share with folks

>>6664123
>just copy things from life, from movies games or whatever the fuck
What is this new meme supposed to achieve, other than bore people to death?

>>6664164
If drawing things bores you to death...

>>6664164
>other than bore people to death
Don't pick something that's boring to you then.

>>6664165
>>6664170
It's the copying part, retards.

I'll ask again: why is this the new meme, what does it do for you, exactly?

>>6664164
>meme
this is why I hate helping you fucking retards.

This thread is demoralizing, stop arguing so much anons and just draw

>>6664163
Okay Anon this is a lot so I’ll start with what I think you did right. Nice shading, I like the way you colored the skin, the facial features are pretty good (I especially appreciate your expressions, well done on the shocked one on the bottom left) and it is quite a unique piece in terms of layout and composition.

As for critique

The features are well drawn but symbol drawn at the same time. Your proportions are also a bit off here and there, especially with the dude with the hat on the top right of the dude in the middle. I would recommend that you study the skeleton much more since your features would look more appealing if they felt attached to something like a skull because as of now theres just all face, no skull/head. A lot of these faces would be much stronger with a more emphasized cheek bone, stronger jawline, or a more distinct forehead.

As for the composition, it’s just kind of…busy? It’s really hard to read. I can tell you’re trying to create a chaotic energy with the piece but with the color scheme you used, there’s almost no focal point. I’m really not a fan of the brown behind the faces since it’s too close to the color of their white skin. On top of that there’s the skeletons behind it which makes it even harder to comprehend.

As for your forms, they need some work. You did good on the shading but it’s still flat mostly because there’s no perspective here. Give the dog’s neck more form, give form to the top of the head of the girl who is on the bottom right touching her forehead, make eyes more spherical, etc.

>>6664180
I don't know man, seems like you didn't get gesture for the first time and now you have a vendetta. Like, it's every beg thread lately that you come here to argue this.

>>6664184
Not skeletons, the ghost faces behind it

>>6664173
>new meme

"Draw something" is literally how every artist who has ever lived learned to draw

>>6664104
Have you seem Da Vinci' Vitruvian Man? The pic is basically explaining it, that the body moves in arcs.

>>6664184
all fair criticism, you pretty much nailed where i noticed the weak points as well

>dude in hat
yeah, that perspective, angled away like that, really threw me off. it had to be like that, so i took a chance, but yeah need to work on that

>composition
i love busy drawings, i cant help it! my original idea was to contrast warm browns with the portaits against the cool blue tones from the imps, but the contrast wasnt strong enough and it got a bit muddled

>form
form is really hard, and certainly someplace i know i need more work. same reason why the top right dude was weak, lack of understanding of form

thank you for taking the time to offer some criticism, and i appreciate the comments

>>6664185
schizo

>>6663831
Am I alone in getting privately angry and jealous when I see people who are better artists than me drawing shit I would never draw? Or is it a healthy feeling of rivalry? It doesn't make me sulk it makes me want to defeat them and be better than them

>>6664215
artists you know? or pro artists that have no idea you exist?

>>6664225
second one. huge followings, and amazing technical skill, but absolutely no taste

I quick copied some poses. I think when people tell us begs to do gesture, they mean to try to draw people in different poses as accurately as possible, and do alot of them to get a good visual library. I think some teachers just misuse the word gesture for that because you use the same models maybe? Idk.

>>6664242
>I think when people tell us begs to do gesture, they mean to try to draw people in different poses as accurately as possible
That is definitively not what they mean.

>>6664242
I'm really curious where you got the idea for those blender armature orbit rings around the limbs

>>6664173
>new meme
this is how art was taught for the majority of history. all of art instruction is really just variations of copying shit lol

>>6664173
>observational drawing is a meme
it never even began for /beg/

>>6664255
it was like that in the ref idk

i have a hard time figure drawing when the model has clothes on. it's hard for me to guess how the anatomical forms are oriented when they are all covered with clothes.

>>6664280
That's, I mean... yeah.

That's why so many models and references are nude.

>the first lesson from KTD is observation drawing hand and shoes
>retarded lazy beglets who can't draw: this is a MEME/Trap
>gesture is a MEME/Trap
>anatomy is a MEME/Trap
>perspective is a MEME/Trap
>construction is a MEME/Trap
>etc....
>everything that I CAN'T understand is a MEME/Trap
Stay /beg/

>why this beg >>6663019 get gesture while this one >>6662066 can't.
There is a COGNITIVE ABILITY gap between the 2 people. Stop blaming the books and the teachers. You are the problem. Try harder.

>>6664357
oh come on, it's a matter of practice. Stupid demoralizing bugman.

Personally speaking from my experience, I was one of those guys who wanted to learn construction without "copying" on philosophical grounds,e.g. I'm not trying to be a camera or photocopier.
Once I switched to copying photographs two things happened. My work for much better, and it was less of a struggle. Drawing from construction lines based on imagination is FUCKING HARD! It was frustrating and discouraged me from continuing a lot.
As far as gesture goes, I feel that the second thing missing from the discussion behind civility is the concept of "timed." From what little I've seen and attempted on the subject it seems that doing it on the clock is a big part of the process. What is almost never addressed in this general is time. I'm off the opinion that any able bodied mentally sound person could produce a high quality image from a reference given enough time so long as it was in a medium than allowed correction. The point of gesture isn't, in my opinion, translating the form into some basic universal line, but producing the framework for a detailed image in as free lines and seconds as possible.

As far as gesture being a trap, /beg/ or otherwise, I think the trap lies in the belief that it has any objective meaning or value. I feel that it is a process and no more. Whether or not to use gesture as a training tool is as important and whether you sharpen a pencil with a conical recess style device or simply cut the wood away with a knife. The only real difference is the "under the hood" aesthetics of the creation process, unknown and uninteresting to the end consumer and only a matter of interest and debate among the cra(b)ftsmen.

Like a mechanical pencil sharpener, gesture only has value subjectively, and if you find it isn't helping it should be set aside, either to be abandoned or tried again later when needs have changed. It shouldn't be a metric of skill or progress, and certainly not a source of anxiety or argument.

>>6664361
>tell begs to try harder and stop blaming learning materials
>demoralize
Hi stupid person with poor reading skill.

>practice drawing a lot everyday
>feel mediocre
>don't even finish stuff

>>6664362
>I was one of those guys who wanted to learn construction without "copying" on philosophical grounds
This idea of copying is the root cause of all these arguments. Nobody outside this thread calls it copying. They just call it "drawing".

>>6664374
I only got 3 hours of sleep last night senpai don’t be ikari at me onegai

>>6664362
Finally someone trying to be civil, I just would bet that some crabs will crab over your post.
>gesture only has value subjectively
Well, ain't that just all art? At the end of the day it only matters that the art is good, doesn't matter if you do gestures or copy. My main problem with the anon or anons in the "copy is good" side is that they are pushing a narrative that you should only do copies for a lot of time, which is... just not how this should go? They tell that gesture is a trap, but idk anon, making copies for half a year seems like a trap to me, not because you wouldn't become better, but because art is so much more than this.

>>6664389
Nobody has ever, ever said "do nothing but copy for 6 months".

>>6664376
Fuck, I'll go one better and say tracing is legit. I suspect a lot of those "Renaissance masters" were tracing their shit with a camera obscura.

>>6664391
I wish it was hyperbole
>>6662082
>>6663570

>>6664389
Let me share the first time I copied another drawing:
I was just being a troll, but it's funny because in the end they did get me to copy a drawing!

>>6664398
>I suspect a lot of those "Renaissance masters" were tracing their shit with a camera obscura.
"Take a glass as large as your paper, fasten it well between your eye and the object you mean to draw, and fixing your head in a frame (in such a manner as not to be able to move it) at the distance of two feet from the glass; shut one eye, and draw with a pencil accurately upon the glass all that you see through it. After that, trace upon paper what you have drawn on the glass, which tracing you may paint at pleasure, observing the aerial perspective."
- A Treatise on Painting, Leonardo da Vinci, published posthumously

>>6664408
Lmao.

>>6664375
Well, at least you recognize your mediocrity.

I just realized copying is a /beg/ trap

>>6664408
Kek, I only noticed it after I zoomed in, good one anon.
>>6664417
>>6664398
Tracing is actually legit, if I am working on a fundamental, first step is always to trace it on a picture, and is also an exercise on tons of courses. Hell, I am pretty the first serious drawing I did was a tracing of Dragon Ball.

>>6664435
Fucking dumbass, *I am pretty sure, now I look like a dyslexic.

>>6664435
one of the first exercises in KTD is just a really convoluted method to trace your hands/fingers, I thought I was going crazy and that I didn't understand the assignment but no it literally asks you to trace a tracing of your hand

>>6664406
I officially give you permission to do things for fun whenever you want.

But if you're a beginner who wants to improve, which is presumably why you're here, then you need to draw stuff you see. And you need to do it for a long time. No professional artist, instructor, or textbook author would deny it. I don't care if you call it accuracy, copying, observation, life drawing, or just plain "drawing"; and I don't care what subject matter or medium you pick. I don't care if you watch a Krenz video and draw polygons around anime dogs in photoshop, or if you go to the park and draw birds on grid paper.

>>6664408
>posted a year ago
Show your progress Mr. Pencil Dick.

>>6664433
The /beg/ thread is a /beg/ trap
/ic/ is the /beg/ trap

Name 1 SUCCESFULL /ic/ pro artist from the beg thread. You can't.

>>6664447
Kek, I already copy and do other shit, but that ain't my point, it is that you shouldn't just do only that as a beginner, because then you will never learn to play with your drawings, to just have fun and make a mess. Think of it like music training, you can't only train a kid on how to do covers, neither can you train them on just scales. Covers are copies and scales are the fundamentals.
Anyways, thanks for the permission, anon.

saturday's night practice
>>6664242
gesture is something very subjective
some people do it in a few lines while others use shapes and objects like cubes
it's the first step you have to take when you face the intimidating white canvas
>>6664068
doing great bro

Just started drawing today, following the guide I started with the Loomis book because it seems a lot of people say that Loomis is a good starting point, am I retarded or I'm supposed to be able from the get go to draw those funny faces, the book only tells you to draw a circle and then 2 lines for the eyes and the mouth and I little circle for the nose, then everything else must be done from your imagination, isn't that kinda hard to do?

>>6664472
If you're a hyper beg just start drawing cubes and spheres, you could also start following a 30 day guide or something like this: https://youtu.be/K5AV42mgAe0?t=124

Try to do these exercises each day until you're happy with it.

Then start learning to copy accurately so you get a feel and eye for the lines and shapes and their sizes and angles

https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A?list=PL3VbqeP6wYzehk9oEIuf_ffnC4di-Z-_C&t=1

>>6664255
I don't know I picked that up in one of the first gesture guides I saw and kept that to make it seem more 3d but that's retarded this is why I didn't put it on everything

>>6664470
nice how long did they take you

>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1XOx2C5_7knWlq7fNwqRKkgfRW7f6EHPE?usp=sharing
>Credit: https://www.artstation.com/forrestimel
People in the thread seem clueless. Here is a beginner course I downloaded from the 3 TB /ic/ torrent. It's details the subjects that beginners need to cover. About 4 hours long. Worth the watch imo.

>>6664473
do NOT listen to or follow marc brunets videos. and honestly dont even listen to this anon for reccing him absolute crab behavior

>>6664477
thanks
something about 3-4h I guess

It seems likely that I'm going to have to do this over completely. I felt pretty good about it at first but then when I zoomed in and tried to iron out the inaccuracies, it very quickly became a chore. It wasn't as annoying as studies usually are for me but it was still pretty taxing after a while, redrawing the same cheek over and over again.

>>6664483
>do NOT listen to or follow marc brunets videos.
Explain.

>>6664483
What is wrong with Marc brunets videos? Are you hating because hes one of the most popular art teachers on youtube and you being a cute little contrarian?

>>6664473
Thank you anon much appreciated.

Hello beg. i hate cubes

>>6664472
loomis auto assume you know how to draw from observation and perspective rules. pick up keys to drawing: the real beg beg book. After that feel free to jump into loomis. Welcome to the beg!
>>6664470
very coomable
>>6664409
kek
>>6664362
>>6664123
amen
>>6664280
if people have clothes then instead of trying to guess where their skeleton is simply feel the form of the clothes and wrinkles and draw that instead
>>6664215
people draw what they want to draw. trying to project your morality on their drawings is... silly?
>>6664163
my only crit is that the label seems like its important so its readability should be 100% instead of this unreadable mess with no contrast. other than that i kneel
>>6664069
your anatomy and drapery are tragic. and the figure is on many places completely flat. and the figure is so stiff if its anatomy was good i would accuse you of tracing 3d model. but i like the pikatchu and bold pose you picked
>>6663994
the nose penis anon has good eye, i would miss that. you made common beg nose error: made both sides of the nose as hard edges. you need to turn one side into soft edge to imply lighting + that nose is part of the face. otherwise its great, i kneel
>>6663965
cute shota
>>6663886
multiply keeps the value the same and only changes hue
>>6663882
god damn that is great and soulful. pro tip: just use some blur or noise filter effect on books in the background to save yourself few hours of rendering
>>6663872
you probably just need to stretch out
>>6662634
the watermarks add lore to my pieces, poison training datasets for the AI and they reflect the state of society we live in. and i like them.

>>6664484
>3 - 4 hours
Are you jacking off while drawing?

>>6664508
I procrastinate a lot

>>6663856
I wanna draw like you, what did you study to get this far?

>>6664417

>>6664506
ror poster here
valid critique. i can see where it might fall flat as youve stated. i did want it to kind of "fade" into the painting, if anything i was worried it was popping out too much (i thought the pen i used would be bit more transluscent), otherwise i would have gone about it a different way to make sure it popped out
thank you for the comments and kind feedback

>>6664489
A bit better.

>>6664456
I've got a couple of better ones, but they were screenshots and I don't have them on this phone. I've gotten better since this one. I'll have a better one tomorrow, I'm just tired and don't want to try to finish it today, I'll fuck it up.
Yes, I know the proportions are off. I'm trying to size it to the paper and made the top too big.
Also, I can do a better job rested at home. Most of the shit I do is at work on break. Not exactly ideal conditions.

struggling with these balls tbqh

>>6664483
>>6664493
>>6664499
NTA, but I can assure you there are better resources on YouTube. Watch what you want, but he's fucking cringe and it will rub off on you. I can't give you objective reasons why he's bad. I won't sit through his shit. I did that once and watched the beginning of maybe two more. I've learned not to click on him when he comes up in search results. You can think I'm crazy all you want, but I'm telling you, his attitude sucks and is all wrong.

4X4NWD

>>6664417
and that's why u study from baroque masters and onwards

>>6663864
sexo

>>6664515
I just copied photographs, figure drawing manuals and my favorite artists like a madman, always using construction and gesture and also work my own imaginative projects for fun

books that helped me the most were hutson and morpho
I highly recommend vilppu's video course on the gesture part. the anatomy part might be too complex

if you can't do construction yet start with fun with a pencil

What makes a good futa villainess?

>>6664601
Can I get the sauce for your ref? I kinda want to draw that model too

>>6664599
Cool thanks for advice

>>6664605
He probably got it from the other thread

>>6664601
Admiring the grind

>>6664567
i miss homeworld

Hello /beg/, I tried a process I saw in another thread. I like the cloud better, but I thought some people might like the pumpkin girl. I did both quickly without reference. Here is the post if anyone else wants to try:
>pro beg tip: if you want to go really fast, abadon lineart completely and just
>gesture sketch
>paint biggest surfaces with thick brush
>zoom out a lot until all you see is thumbnail
>if you cannot tell from thumbnail what is going on in the pic then halve the size of brush and paint again
once you can tell what it is from thumbnail you are finished. a lot of artists waste time and effort on polishing unimportant details

>>6664704
Whoops, wrong image.

Update to >>6663951 , Did the final line work to it, and fixed the muscles up.

And added wip colors to it. Want to go for a painterly look to it
>Special, I know.
Something more on the acrylic side > smooth ambient occlusion. Gonna be messy.

>>6664725
Aiming for this look.

No one told me drawing from imagination was so fun

>>6664398
> tracing is legit
It is, if your goal is to produce an artwork. It's not, if your goal is to learn how to draw from imagination.

>>6664736
any proof? i dont believe you

>>6664812
I haven't received my 'certificate of fun' yet. sorry i have nothing to show you :(

Finished…And thanks to the anon that suggested blurring out the back books. That was a great idea thank you. Now off to the next drawing I go…

>>6664725
Looks nice, subject matter aside.

>>6664601
You messed up her midline, the top of the right boob, and eliminated the left armpit. Also you phoned in the thighs.

>>6663994
GMI

>>6664777
I'd say that producing artwork is a far nobler pursuit than learning how to draw from imagination.

How can I rotate the canvas on Ms paint?

>>6664903
Have you tried the button that says "Rotate"?
If you mean free rotation, then you just can't.

>be bad at drawing
>can keep drawing only if I find the topic interesting
>but don't want to draw it because I would ruin it with no skill
>the only case I keep drawing/endlessly correcting the drawing is when I get FOMO/temporary hype
>the work gets hardly any praise because low quality and not coom
>motivation goes back to 0
Fun

>>6663882
>it's currently summer
vgh... halloween so far away

>>6664945
If improving was fun and easy, everyone would do it.

i think i found a decent daily schedule, hope i can keep up with it

>>6664506
>you made common beg nose error: made both sides of the nose as hard edges.
I think you mean this spot on the bridge of his nose? I still have a hard time seeing the penis shape without actively looking for it, but you're right that it's ever so slightly lighter compared to the right side in the reference. I touched it up. Thanks.

>>6664958
Nice feet dude.

>>6664957
Drawing is like literally the only hobby that causes so much mental anguish trying to learn it.
I could find some simple music making program and make a simple tune. It will be shit, of course, but I will LIKE IT.

>>6664962
Original nose penis anon here, I would say that the reference doesn't help, Boichi avoided making the nose penis through sheer subtlety. So, what isn't helping yours? You can gauge it by squinting at the ref and then yours for yourself, but what I see is that Boichi made the bottom part of his nose with a stronger line thickness, and the left side of the bridge more lighter than yours. Hope it helps.

>>6664974
That's because it's physical, not just mental.

drew for 30 mins a day, 6-10 box torsos. When I made my schedule at first I planned 2 hours a day and after a few days/ weeks I found that it was hard to keep it up and when I missed days I would feel bad so I made my schedule shorter and shorter to make it very unlikely that I would miss a day. I started again and made the bar lower and now 30 mins is feeling like I cant still keep it up but going 15 minutes is not enough to get me warmed up and I'm not gonna gain anything.

MAMHH2 :|

>>6664826
comfy

>>6664525
goodjob
>>6664535
the head is not a ball, study huston, villpu , or hogarth, all 3 will show you loomis is not correct
>>6664601
needs gesture
>>6664725
nice job

>>6664814
Looks like a drawing from that Zuffy dude

Realistically how long do you think it would take to become good enough to be able to make money online via commissions? I've never been good at drawing but it's something that I'd like to be good at.

>>6665165
from my observation it's somewhat perpendicular abilities. to be good at drawing and to be good at making money online, I guess it kind of multiplication - and if one is zero result is zero,

>>6665180
That's understandable.

>>6664173
Mongoloids like this guy were the retards seething at me in the last thread for pointing out that copying other works is the most important tool for a beginner. Keep doing """gestures""" you dumb fuck, see where that takes you.

>>6665165
don’t you get cucked hard on taxes

Who on youtube can teach me to shade like this? I'm exclusively trad due to tech limitations

>>6664470
Any anime-related lessons you can recommend? Your designs are very coomable and it's hard to find info about the anime style that isn't drawn by some westoid tranny that doesn't know what he's doing (and has that typical westoid tranny look to it).

>>6665228
Why would you report that income? It's not like they're gonna know if you just keep it to yourself.

>>6664537
>I can't give you objective reasons why he's bad
Lol. Who's the crab here?

>>6665229
isn't this just hatching for shading?

>>6662821
Third time's the charm! Did I FINALLY figure out how to draw a basic standing pose???

>>6665165
It depends on your audience. You can tell if you’re at the level for your niche when people start asking about commissions. Fetish art is a shortcut for this, but you have to deal with a lot of weirdos.

Can people tell if you just trace over 3d models in CSP

Also why is stuff like this accepted but ai art not?

how do you guys balance studying vs personal work?

>>6665317
I haven’t seen my family in months

>>6665317
I don't make personal work, 100% of my art is study

>>6665326
Sacrificing your life for art... Is anyone else of you willing to go that far, /ic/rabs?

>>6665317
70/30 but It's mostly because I draw during lunch break at work so I do Bargue plates or studies of random stuff that feel doable in 90 minutes.

>>6665165
Haven't seen any concrete sales numbers but I've seen anons with your skill level (high /beg/) sell their shit. There's one anon here that always draws weird muddy catacomb shit and apparently he can sell his shit so you probably can too if you can appeal to a specific audience like that as well. THAT BEING SAID.... I personally would not recommend selling garbage (let's be realistic) to customers but maybe that's just me being a perfectionist.

Can anyone reformulate Steve Huston's take on gesture? I feel like I'm grazing what he's saying somewhat but not quite.

>>6665295
Nice. Now draw her dodging a gorillion bullets.

>>6664123
You suck dick and your art is ass, stop giving advice

>>6665347
It's not his art though

>>6665350
I know, the pic is good, has perspective, was constructed and drawn from imagination
He posted his garbage in the last thread

>>6665357
Okay, I wasn't there back then

>>6665347
I didn't post anything, I'm just repeating the agreed upon consensus

This board needs flags and ID's

>>6665374
This board needs to fucking draw, but it's not going to do that either, now is it?

>>6665388
Imagine..imagine if hitler would HAVE JUST DRAWN MORE! 6 Gorillion jews could still be alive today..

>>6665374
Here's your flag, anon

>>6665231
I recommend making copies of the work of doujinshi artist and studying anatomy
this guy does really useful anime style anatomy notes
https://twitter.com/cyjalway
and as a book I recommend stonehouse

I'm a westoid tho

>>6665374
Just pyw all the time lol

>>6664826
Good job anon
I like when drawings end up with those small areas of jaggy lines like her hand and book to constrast with the anti-aliasing treatment the drawing softwares give to the lines

next Kim Jung Gi reporting in

>>6665317
I'll do "personal work" when my studies are good enough. No point in producing garbage nobody wants to see.

>>6665454
Cool chair

I fucked up the angle again, hell, I didn't wanted to draw today, I just wanted to colour things up and now I'm stuck with this abomination. Might someone draw the loomis lines on my reference please?

>>6665533
If you aren't at a level where you can construct it from 3D shapes, just work it out from 2D shapes and angles instead.

>>6664068
Hair was a sudden and difficult complication.

>>6664470
>doing great bro
cheers bro

>>6665533
just try again

>>6665533
try imagine it as a piece of paper, helped me at least https://youtu.be/QBv5z0Y2odE?t=123

>>6665372
Pretty sure there wasn't a consensus, just a lot of arguing and calling each other retards.

Hell knight

>>6665630
now paint this hell knight

Best drug to be creative on? I heard van gogh was on absinth and alcohol all the time, should I become alcoholic (again) or try meth this time?

>>6665651
microdose meth (adderall)

>>6665651
Pretty sure the absinth thing is a myth

>>6665651
I'm going to try Ashwagandha and fishoil with enough sunlight and exercise.

Did the mantis from the other thread. I'm not satisfied with the line quality, I want to get them like FZD does they are really cool, I tried to copy what I saw him do in his videos but it did not work out the way I wanted it to.
I feel like I can copy pretty well and could get the lines right if I did a 1 to 1 of one of his drawings, but I'm not sure how to apply that to one of my own. Any tips? Critiques appreciated btw

>>6664945
>somehow hype myself up to draw some fetish-y fanart that quite aligns with my interests
>a "quick", messy sketch
>actually got some responses to it
>maybe even improved the anatomy a bit
Ok, got it. Quick works, don't overthink it.

>>6665651
*cracks knuckles, adjusts glasses*
- do not use speed or stimulants for drawing absolutely, it can fuck you really hard. I had a period where i used to microdose 2FMA for drawing and it took 2 or 3 months to regain an actual will to draw sober - if you want to go for an actual stimulant addiction and fuck up your health and brain though, it definitely boosts productivity - creativity not so much
- heavier benzodiazepines like rivotril do boost creativity, in the sense that it's very easy to reach that "Mindless" state where you simply draw or write
- same as above goes for opium, though opium is more for talking or thinking creatively, and also terrible after effects
- weed creativity is a meme, but can work with brainstorming. you need a good setting with other creatives
- psychedelics definitely require an almost perfect setting for creativity, with friends to talk to and things to think about, but can work
- dissociatives (K) are more for appreciating art than making it for obvious reasons like lack of coordination
- alcohol, maaaybe for brainstorming

Overall, you need to be already in a good mood and have a plan for what you want to do before taking drugs. They won't make you magically creative, and if you don't use them correctly, may instead rob you of your ability to think creatively while sober. I've seen many artists going that route and getting fucked big time.

>>6665671
gj anon! idk, its a good study. It just lacks some detail and texture where needed, but the whole drawing is prettygud. CHeers!

>>6665295
What's the ref you used?

>>6665671
Looks good, but too clean, needs more chaotic lines

>>6665669
Ok jimmy, don't forget the sunscreen too!

>>6665671
Looks good, but too messy, needs more confident lines

>>6665712
Thank you, I'll work harder on implementing details and textures on the next one. I'll make you proud

>>6665726
Good advice, any idea on how to do chaotic lines? It's true that FZD drawings seem to have a lot of random lines adding details and textures, but I always fall short of doing it myself and I think it's because i try to copy what I see. Maybe working on details and textures will lead to it, idk.

>>6665734
I left all the sketching lines because I thought it would give the kind of line quality I was looking for. When you say confident lines, do you mean removing the initial sketching lines?
I tried to do a lot of "searching" lines (I kind of get the idea of what they are but then again maybe not), is that what gives it the not confident messy look?

>>6665722
None, exactly. The only thing I realized is that if hips are forward rest of the pose just clicks.

Some perspective and form work i did
1/2

2/2

>>6665533
trace the construction lines then try again without tracing

dont talk about politics, but masks becoming common is a cool cheat code to drawing faces. especially small bg figures or crowds

I'm really proud of this one. I studied the reference, hid it, and drew it from memory.

I'm really proud of this one. I studied the reference, hid it, and drew it from memory.

>>6665846
Nice job.

You totally lost the angle of the torso, though - you drew it facing the camera dead-on, rather than being angled away.

>>6665545
I'm having the hardest time with noses. There's what my eyes think are hard bits (A) and squishy bits (B) and I can't seem to draw either right nor connect them together.

>>6665872
Nta, but they did draw it from memory
Seems like kind of a nitpick

>>6665880
>Seems like kind of a nitpick
Anon lost the entire side plane of her body. I mean, look at the rotation he put on her bottom foot, and then look at her shoulders - her leg would be snapped in two. It's not a minor detail - like how anon misremembered her hand gestures, that's whatever - it's a pretty important part of the big picture, top-level construction, and as a consequence the resulting pose is super unnatural.

Anyone have tips on using the smudge tool in procreate? It’s so weird compared to the ones in SAI and CSP. Am I going to have to make a blend/blur brush?

>>6665885
I was studying the legs and added the torso as an afterthought. I barely even glanced at it and just went off my hazy impression.

>>6665842
Elaborate

>>6665885
Yes, yes, but you forget: this is /beg/. There are a half dozen things ( ( (W R O N G ) ) ) with the drawing, but for a beginner to do even this from memory is progress. Not saying your critique in invalid, just unnecessary.

>>6665229
You can try megamegamikey. He's not going to specifically tell you how to shade like that, but that's pretty much his style.

>>6665244
The fuck does crab have to do with it? He's creepy. Fuck him, and fuck you for white knighting him.

>>6665905
This is the big issue with this thread. Giving the right amount of critique is like adding salt to food. You want just the right amount, but too much and you spoil it.

>>6665879
Just don't draw noses, put a little tiny point there where the nose is supposed to be, japs got the idea.

>>6665905
>>6665934
Anon said they only drew the torso as an afterthought, which is fair.

But "make sure your human is anatomically plausible" feels like a pretty surface level critique of a construction done from memory.

>>6665936
meant for >>6665927

for the record I'm memory drawing anon and other anon is right about the torso twist. I noticed it myself when I turned the reference layer back on but I wasn't going to cheat and fix it.

how should i go about leveling up. the gas mask dudes are digital. very recent. just now getting used to it.

>>6665968
start putting them in perspective. high/low angles. Action poses. Experiment with shadows and line weight. Looks good so far. Where do you get your references from?

Is there anything I need to work on?

>>6665979
um evil roll btw but yeah line weight is fun in digital. only the bottom left and top right are from references. have a lot saved from all over internet. if ur asking me to point u into a direction tho i like DEVTSIX

>>6665990
the background speckle effect is too strong imo

>>6665990
>>6666001
also bg doesn't match the reflected light color on the sword

>>6665990
her right arm doesn't seem to be connected to her torso, but it's too late to fix it now, keep in mind to sketch the body first without clothes next time

>>6664375
idk man, it's pretty good stuff. If you force yourself to draw fully completed artwork; I bet it'd look amazing. You'd also feel amazing after it

Hello beg. Cubes but falling. Perspective is one big misery

>>6665968
easy level up is background, cross contours, line weight, colors. very cool and solid all around
>>6665879
lasor focus on the reference, put pen to canvas and move your hand in sync with the eye. do not look at canvas, only the reference. this is called blind contour exercise and it should level you observation and eye hand coordination so no line or curve combination should trouble you
>>6665901
she means that instead of drawing nose, chin, cheeks and lips you just draw half of cylinder and you are done
>>6665630
this is flat
>>6665454
that perspective is soul overdose lmao
>>6665317
99% study 1% existential dread
>>6665295
it is passing grade for beg. but anon tell us why did you need to "figure out" how to draw standing still anime thot? why didnt you simply use reference?
>>6665229
thats literally just lazy low effort hatching which isnt following contours nor cross contours done by light gray pen + random hard edges ovals used for highlights
>>6665165
if you are okay with low prices like 5 bucks per commission you can start pretty much from day 2 on websites like fiverr and such, the bar is bellow beg
>>6665037
cubes... my mortal enemy
>>6664903
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-rotate-screen-windows-10
ctrl+alt+arrow
>>6664706
the cloud needed to be drawn on darker blue, the pumpkin monster deserved some sort of horizon and different color for sky

>>6666001
>>6666010
>>6666056
Fixed the background and the arm a bit

>>6666123
don't know what happened to the saturation but here

>>6663831
How long do you all spend drawing each day?
I really want to learn how to draw, I'm curious how much you anons invest in the art.
I also have no clue where to start but I'm sure the doc has me covered.

>>6663831
I'm really bad with faces (reading them, remembering them, drawing them, etc.). Is there a reference repository focused on faces and facial expressions?

>>6666162
It depends on the rest of my life at the moment, but usually 30 minutes to an hour. Right now I'm doing 2/hours a day, since I have the time and I'm trying to get better quickly.

Anons, I (conceptually) prefer the lineart on the left, but I'm struggling to make it readable, any advice to make the ruddy lineart work? If I painted a background, would that work, or is there a color that would contrast well?

>>6666162
I have unlimited free time, so anywhere from 5-12 hours

>>6666290
>any advice to make the ruddy lineart work?
improve your drawing skills. Draw more than 2 hours a day, and do lots of figure studies / master copies

>>6665729
I don't use sunscreen
>>6665710
Based, with psychedelics it's about not taking too much. Unless you can really lose yourself in the process.

>>6665968
Backgrounds, faces, colors, second characters interacting with each other, tell a story.
Good stuff, I like it.

been at this for 90 minutes. got my first tablet last week. still learning

>>6666377
Do you know about Loomis?

>>6666386
no, i just started last month on pen and paper. thought i'd give drawing a try. what is loomis?

>>6666398
Try reading through the doc in the OP >>6663831
There's a lot of things you can learn, welcome

Rate my linework.

>>6666443
Looks good. Are you using rulers/curves at all or is that all just free hand?

>>6666129
berry cute anon, love her smugness

>>6666377
I do like the hair but the eyes are a bit oddly spaced. It got a little squished because the liquify tool isn't perfect.

>>6666445
Man if only. But no I used the line and curve tool for that. Took a lot longer than my usual linework however. Thanks though!

WIP

Stepping outside my comfort zone with this one. Gotta start drawing angle shots more.

>>6666104
>anime thot
Touhou is not an anime!!
>but anon tell us why did you need to "figure out" how to draw standing still anime thot? why didnt you simply use reference?
What's the point of using a reference, if you're not figuring anything out with it?
I mean, I'm using hundreds of references instead of just copying one. What are the big and small patterns and rules they use to make art work? That's what I realized I need to look for and copy. Not the picture, just the patterns.
I mean, that's what you ultimately are trying to do by telling people to copy. It's a brute force way to make them exposed to the patterns.
But i could be wrong, I'm still just a week 2 beg. Thought it did feel like I made years of progress the night universe revealed this to me.

thoughts?

>>6665936
Maybe start with not doing full body drawings (with dynamic poses) from memory, honestly I think the anon who gave the critique was lenient enough, he's not inside your brain to know what you were thinking anyway, so expect a honest response.
Here's another idea, focus on what you're practicing on and don't bother drawing what you're not interested in learning at that moment, you're pretty much spreading yourself too thin if you're just interested in trying to learn how legs look and add the rest of the body because you feel like you have to, it also gives you extra time to try to practice legs from other angles.

any thoughts? i still cant tell if what im doing has any appeal

>>6666474
i certainly don't like it then again I'm tired of weebshit
his head also seems to be way too small

>>6666474
I like the sketches a lot but the coloring ruins it. I see this a loot with anime art.
Head bit too small indeed too.

>>6666474
the chracter is around 8 heads tall, if he's a giant or it's intentional, fine, but if you're just drawing him with no thought whatsoever I'd recommend checking sheets with proportions of the human body while keeping note of how longs limbs are and see where you can deviate for design, his legs are looking too long.
The pose is kind of plain but works, I'd still add a third pose in a 3/4 view, just so it feels less flat, as a front a profile views doesn't help with the last, but I'd recommend working on the pose a bit more as that's the main source of the stiffness.
Adding to that, the suit folds feel weird in some places, and it doesn't feel like they're enveloping a body, more than they just are there for interest, which is fine, but try to reflect more that there's a body underneath, so practice folds and how they wrap around the limbs.
The rendering could be simpler, meaning reducing the amount of brush strokes or making sure they're contained in their respect shapes of value, or it starts to get distracting and starts to mess with the form, if you're okay with using selections that's a way to prevent the shapes from going too wild, look at other characters sheets for anime characters if you need inspiration.
The faces are looking interesting, the only one that isn't selling me much on his character is the left one, see if you can work with the palette more (trying different colors as a test), or push the contrast of some of the hues, especially in the eyes right now is too close to the value of the skin so it almost fuses with them, meaning it's harder to read from a design perspective.
Simplifying and trying to aim for clarity would be a goal, you can still add your own flavor, like the eye bags or wrinkles, just make sure not to go overboard or at least that you're consciously controlling it, also working on making it feel less flat and stiff, so try to do more dynamic poses or different angles/views from a body if you're not used to it.

>>6666443
Seems like you're going thick to thin at random instead of actually following any rules like overlaps, distance to camera, etc. Watch the Naoki vid on line weight.

>>6666458
draw me some cylinders in perspective right now anon

>>6666530
i have never done perspective exercises they bore me
i tried drawabox but it required too much consistency which i am incapable of :(

but if you know another such course i can try it, i feel like i really need it

>>6666490
>>6666506
>>6666508
Thank you anons this is all really helpful. I'll try to take your advice to heart. I wanted him to look tall but I definitely think I took it too far looking at it now. I think using the selection tool is a good idea too; I've never thought to try it.

I got stuck

>>6666561
you could try drawing the arms before the tits

>>6666561
>draws the exact same thing for years
>never improves
I'd kill myself if I was you

>>6666462
>Maybe start with not doing full body drawings (with dynamic poses) from memory,
This is terrible advice lol, how else would you improve at them?

>>6665037
Oh yeah, I remember doing this exercise when the Bridgman class came out, actually is a fun way to grind those boxes.
Yours... Are ten times better than mine, just keep going anon.

>>6666561
the arms aren't even connected properly fucking lmao

>>6666561
Yeah, stuck in /beg/ lol

>>6663831
how do you make a master study?

>>6666533
Construction doesn't work without perspective.

>>6666631
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+you+make+a+master+study+painting

>>6666634
i mean from (you)r experience

>>6666104
Draw vanishing points and the horizon line. You're just making the same mistake over and over again without actually understanding perspective and how it works.

>>6666636
You're asking dozens of anons, you will get multiple point of views, none of which will be more original that what you'll find by looking online.

Except that if you ask Google, you'll get results with bait, with people ptw. Really, I don't understand what's the benefits of asking here

>>6666639
sorry i forget ic doesnt draw

>>6666640
They do, but most of the time, especially for such questions, you get better quality answer by googling around.

>>6666643
i wanted to hear the opion of people itt though

>>6666644
Archives then? But what the hell, if you want to lose time, get contradictory input, see people fighting over which Loomis is the best, be my guest.

>>6666584
There's little to no benefit from drawing something from memory if you're not focusing in trying to hold the information in from observation, he admittedly isn't paying attention to the entire body, just partially, so if he wants to learn the legs or any limb in motion, a fair alternative to draw an entire pose would be dividing it in smaller sections for study, how? find a pose and focus in a specific area, like an arm flexing or the hand holding something. No one is telling him to never do them, if you want to do the full pose go ahead, but you're gonna find the same pitfall because you can't keep it all in (yet), there are easier ways to go about it.
Regardless, if you're learning poses, I would avoid the memory exercise as the center piece (or keep it at the end of your drawing practice session, just to see how much you retained), and actually sit there and study the pose, no gimmicks added, put it as ref in the canvas and start picking it apart, you could start with a gesture and break it down into simple angled forms (drawing through) like cubes and cylinders while maintaining proportions, right now his drawing is a mix of that but not quite, if he's content with that good for him but as a critique, which he came for I assume, I wouldn't stop there, at least if he wants to get the most out of his practice.
A good question before starting your practice is, what do you want to get out of your exercise? and if the foundation of that question pays any benefit to your drawing skills. He got the gist of the pose, what comes next? trying to adjust what's not working so it gets closer to the ref, if you're not focusing in details the simplified form will do, it takes care of the basic pose, and gives you a check for angle comparison, the pose is sitting in a three-dimensional space, so why not pay attention to it? in the end it's less of a "how much I can cram in my head" but more of understanding the structure so it can be applied and edited later.

>>6664489
>>6664525
Let go of the symbol drawing. And learn to love drawing the same thing again and again, make that your super power. Thats what I try to do.
>>6665317
> study vs personal work
I kinda view all of my work as a learning experience in some way. I feel like I learn something from most of my drawings. But because of this I have a bad habit of not finishing drawings 100%

This is how i practice feeling of space. I think this is the right way.

I stopped for a long time and now I think I’m ready to get back in the saddle.

Right now struggling with getting eyes right.

I tried some coloring stuff this time

>>6666162
I try to hold myself to an hour minimum. Some days I make it to two, but less often than I'd like; usually after about 90 minutes total my brain starts to fry and my focus dives, and often by then my hand or shoulder is starting to get sore.

I tend to break it into 2-3 sessions, which feels good both for taking a break from drawing (and from sitting) for a bit, and for returning with fresh eyes.

>>6665846
That's some masochist anon, this type of exercise reveals all your weaknesses.
Gonna mention something important that the other anons didn't mention, and maybe why you haven't captured the gesture: this is a roundhouse kick, not a spinning back kick, meaning, it comes from her right going to the left, not the opposite, and that's what you drew on the action line. If you have the space, I recommend doing the pose yourself to understand it, it's a classic animator's exercise (that's best case scenario though, not a must). If you want a quick way to get feedback on this exercise you are doing, put your drawing on top of the reference, and do lots of it, take note of what you are getting wrong, because those are your bad habits.

ive got brain problems

quick silly doodle because i love this particular EVA illustration. yes she is headless and handless but its totally a deliberate choice not me avoiding drawing heads and hands ahah yeah

>>6666875
I lack critical understanding to know what this is a reference of. But anon, we need autists like you or how else would we get all these chuds to post? You are doing a public service to 4chan as a whole.

>>6666474
i love the colors anon!!

Bright lights, dark room

>>6666882
it's that one ugly deformed sheboon from sf6

Indiana Zach Braff

How many hours/minutes a day of drawing for you?

>>6666885
thank you !!

>>6666734
Program? That looks extremely useful. I tried these forms intersection lessons from drawabox long ago, but I could never really check if I did it right. They always felt a bit off and I'd really love a way to check my results.

Thoughts?

>>6666986
Top left looks like he saw some shit. Bottom left is the best one, you only have to take into account the nose and mouth shapes, and them it would be even better.

>>6665836
Nice

>>6667003
Ok, thank you anon, I'll keep trying

good morning, I hate jews.

https://youtu.be/rZnvXBh341I

Is this asian copy autism exercise worth it or a meme?

>>6667062
Yes, life drawing is a helpful practice.

>>6667062
>asian copy autism exercise
It's literally just life drawing but broken down into multiple steps and wrapped in a photoshop bow.

>>6667053
Alternately, you could draw one figure standing on a mound

guys my biggest problem when drawing is that I get lost in details and lose the feeling for the bigger picture, when I'm done I always notice that proportions are off (legs to small, head too big etc) how can I stop doing that?

>>6667165
Practice, also gesture, also fpcusing on working from big shapes first

>>6667167

>>6666666

>>6667201
>cute boy thread
They can't keep doing this

Is it normal to sometimes have to review material for stuff you already learned like gesture?

I look forward to the next post by this creep:
>its my 1st drawing guys!
>"here is some criticism"
>fuck that, let me tell you about my revelations
>its my 2nd drawing guys!
>its my 3rd drawing guys!
>"here is some criticism"
>NAH, I actually figured it out myself
>i made years of progress in 3 drawings
He's my favorite thread schizo

i painted princess bubble slut

>>6667270
looks great but why did you make her out of cum

also those are the deadest eyes I've ever seen.

>>6667256
Of course. Even professional artists brush up on their fundamentals in between projects to stay sharp.

Props to the anons who like a month ago convinced me to change my grip.
I've mostly managed to transition to arm movements as opposed to wrist, and it was in that transition period that I began feeling my carpal tunnel starting to ache. I think I was just around a corner from injuring myself.
Fucking annoying to have to make a transition in the first place, but yeah.

>>6667288
Makes sense, Ill keep reviewing material and not worry too much about it

>>6667270
this is great

>>6667293
>convinced me to change my grip
speaking of, is pic related an actual pysop or do real people actually hold their stylus like this somehow

There’s a few things to fix but I like how this lineart turned out

>>6667308
Too flimsy imo

>>6667308
I could never draw like this, so I hope not. Reminds me of that bullshit people tried to push about "proper" typing form.

Question I've never seen asked around here (probably because it's a bit more advanced), but how the fuck do anime artists decide which lines to color in what color? I've been studying anime artist's line art for weeks and I have yet to see a pattern emerging. The only thing I know for sure is that if you fully render an anime-style painting and keep the lines black, it looks like dogshit. But I can't figure out which colors to use for the lines. If I use a darker, less saturated color than the closest rendering, it looks like shit. If I use a darker, more saturated color, it also looks like shit. Anyone have a guide or something for this shit? I just don't understand.

>>6667360
Can you post an example?

>>6667371
Sure. Take picrel for example. Notice how the outlines of the hair are black in some parts, but dark orange in others. Or how her hand in front of her face has black outlines on some parts of the fingers but a saturated orange on other parts. Or how the skirt has black outlines but just no outlines on some parts. Same with the legs; brown lines on some parts, black on others, even saturated dark red in some parts.

>>6667387
pretty sure it’s just stylistic choice

>>6667387
light and shadow, and (desired level of) contrast with the color behind it, similar to how you'd handle line weight

though some of it's just for composition, like the hair

>>6667436
>>6667448
Sorry but this doesn't really help me understand. Saying it's "just a stylistic choice" doesn't explain how the stylistic choice is executed. Same with whatever this explanation >light and shadow, and (desired level of) contrast with the color behind it, similar to how you'd handle line weight though some of it's just for composition, like the hair
doesn't explain anything.

>>6667455
find an artist you like who does it and copy their work for a month

Good day.
I am the North Korean propaganda style learner from last week. I have not been focusing on my drawings this week due to tests. But I want to resume soon.
So now the question I have is what in gods name would make a cool background? Nixon loved bowling, so I was thinking a strike or a bowling alley, but I have no idea how to draw that. Any other cool ideas? (preferably something more basic and Nixon related.
I have settled on a caption.
>Stand With Nixon and The Silent Majority!

>>6667474
I have two options here. This second one needs a lot more work for sure, but would open up a lot more possibilities.

NEW THREAD
>>6667478
>>6667478
>>6667478

>>6666129
vary nais, twitter?

>>6667270
qrd on the bubblegum bitch?

>>6667360
Look at Sinix Design's anatomy vídeos, every single one he shows his process that involves coloring his lines.

I want to be able to draw from memory/imagination, I look up to kim jung, I think I have improved a lot, but my imagination drawing is not good, barely done anything, girl in red is a try, and old man is a from memory, I think I accostumed myself to draw from images, what exercises can help me?

oh my god why didnt no one tell me how good the brush from paint is?

is the brush on SAI total shit? are stabilizers holding me down? I have so much control it is fucking insane I thought I was retarded but I just handcapping myself