/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

just copy other people and you'll figure what you actually enjoy and can do for yourself. nothing you do needs to be original or skillfully made if you're just starting out

however i diagnose you with a very obvious and extreme anxiety problem and you should probably go get that checked out instead of looking into a new hobby with questions that sound like you need your choices validated by other people

>>6661934
>I'm left handed, have perpetually shaky hands, ADHD, autism and a learning disability. Almost 24.
Sounds like excuses to avoid drawing.
>I've wanted to get good at art since I was a teen but I've lacked the motivations
It seems like you're enamored with the idea of being an artist, but you don't actually want to actually draw.

>which brush size to use
>optimal size to draw digitally
Doesn't really matter, but you can just look at existing artwork in their original resolution, like probably the pic you just attached.

>good pressure curve to start out with
Just a matter of taste. A straight line is good enough for most things.
>how to find a comfortable pressure curve
just draw
>how to undo bad habits like drawing stiff figures
draw more figures from ref
>how to fix shitty lines you're too used to drawing
just draw more
>how to get better when you're experienced but /beg/
If you're /beg/ you're not experienced.

You're suffering from analysis paralysis. The last thing you need is a resource. Just open your drawing program and draw, loser. Learn to enjoy drawing first.

JUST
FUCKING
DRAW
RETARD

>>6661934
Damn, you've made yourself a very good list of excuses not to try.
From the list, these are the only ones worth really paying attention right now:
>how to undo bad habits like drawing stiff figures
Gesture drawing, drawing from life, and to actually think about movement, stop overthinking about what's right and what isn't, you're stifling your ability to recreate figures by commiting to every little line you make. Let fuck ups be fuck ups, you can always fix it afterwards with some reference or studying specific parts of the body, keep in mind if you're looking for a natural pose the answer is out there already, so don't try to reinvent the wheel, just learn to capture the gist of it, style will come naturally.
>how to fix shitty lines you're too used to drawing
First, you need to reframe your line of questioning, shitty lines is too broad, what exactly makes it shitty? is it just the line? or is it that you're trying to produce the turning of a muscle and the line seems to completely miss the details by looking cartoonish? is it that? or that every line looks the same, making your drawings too flat? do you feel like it doesn't represent a figure in space? why?
>how to get better when you're experienced but /beg/
I'm guessing what you mean is that you want to escape the crab bucket, it's by changing your attitude towards mistakes or lack of knowledge, you're too fixated on the right answer while avoiding the exercise that demands you too get out of that state, practice while focusing on answering your questions, don't mindlessly do it. If you're the ADHD then keep notes on what you do and what you've learned, even notes of mistakes to keep it as a reminder that you need to learn about that, which could mean just finding a ref, watching a video or a book/course on the subject.
Be proactive about it, you're not the only artist who had to face these hurdles.

>>6661934
Literally just draw more you actual fucking idiot. What is it with art that people ask such dumb fucking questions? You never hear someone who plays the piano "hurrr how do I even get better I don't know how"

>>6661934
>Live in an era where you have acess to the largest library of information humankind has ever constructed at your literal fingertips
>"I lack the motivation, resources, and teachings"
>Be this retarded for years because apparently you wanted to be an artist since a teenager yet never bothered to actually study and draw
>Waste time bitching about it on 4chan
Prime example of a retard who isn't gonna make it

>perpetually shaky hands, ADHD, autism and a learning disability. Almost 24.
not an excuse
draw
draw
draw

>>6661934
>I don't know
>>which brush size to use
>>optimal size to draw digitally
>>good pressure curve to start out with
>>how to find a comfortable pressure curve
>>how to undo bad habits like drawing stiff figures
>>how to fix shitty lines you're too used to drawing
>>how to get better when you're experienced but /beg/
you're overthinking everything, just use paper and pencil

>>6661934
>I'm left handed
anon in what world would being left handed handicap you from getting good

Left handed means your right brain is stronger, this is actually a good thing for artists

>which brush size to use
Whatever looks the best to you
>optimal size to draw digitally
Really just depends what your computer can handle, but I normally stick to width and heights around the 3000px-4000px range. Also I think even numbers compress better when you upload online, so I always make sure to do that
>good pressure curve to start out with
It's literally whatever feels good. I personally find I hate brushes with sizes that change depending on pressure, so I turn it off. I like having opacity change depending on pressure though
>how to find a comfortable pressure curve
You just fuck with it until it feels good
>how to undo bad habits like drawing stiff figures
have a little bit of curvature in every segment of the body when you sketch them out. don't ever draw something like a forearm for example as a perfectly straight line
>how to fix shitty lines you're too used to drawing
this just happens overtime and is literally eye hand coordination
>how to get better when you're experienced but /beg/
no idea wtf "experienced but /beg/" means

>>6662091
It doesn't mean anything, OP is just admitting they don't know how to practice properly and what they've been doing is polishing turds for the past couple years

>>6661934
>i'm left handed
If anything you were genetically coded to be an artist.

>>6661934
I'm in a very similar position to you anon. I'm 22 and have a learning disability with pretty bad hand tremors. I'd recommend that you just get drawing - it doesn't really matter what. Do you have any work to share right now? I can try to help.

I'm probably high-beg to low int right now, but I've never done any studying or anything beyond just drawing what I like as sort of a "compliment" to my other autistic hobbies (namely writing and roleplaying).With studying, I'd imagine a lot of my shortcomings could be improved upon.

So I think you'll be alright (esp with studying, since im "ok" with no studying). Just pick something you like and try to draw it. My learning disability has obliterated my sense of spatial understanding (it is dyscalculia) so I am not sure I'll ever reach /pro/ levels but int is definitely plausible.

I don't think you should put yourself down because your disabled though. I'm about to graduate college with a 3.8 GPA in a math-field and I'm doing good in most other aspect of life (soon to be married, love my hobbies, good friends). You really just need a positive mindset. I hope this wasn't too preachy I just hate to see people in the same boat as me put themselves down. just remember that drawing is supposed to be fun, so dont overthink it. srry for reddit spacing btw

>>6661934
Whatever problems you're having regarding art, I can guarantee you that drawing more will help in some way.

I have all of these and still draw , just pick up a pencil. do you know how many great artists out there were left handed or had any sort of mental illness?

>>6661934
Don't bother, you were born defective, play your video games and numb your imperfect mind to cope.

>>6661934
do you have any more fucking excuses?

>>6662659
I'm white

>>6661934
Try using the pen tool if your hands are too shaky.
pic rel made using his mouth(full body paralysis)

Steve huston is lefthanded, nigger. A lot of good artists are lefthanded actually.

>>6661934
>I'm left handed, have perpetually shaky hands, ADHD, autism
you have da vinci and michelangelo genes yet you can't draw? nonsense

>>6661965
this is a based advice, follow it

>>6661979
>>6661965
>>6661939
>>6662659
>Just draw draw draw draw
What and how? If I don't know the fundamentals then it's not worth it.

>>6662659
ligma, aphantasia, asian genes, talent, low test womb, AI art, pareidolia, color blind, neuroplasticity

>>6661991
based

>>6663214
if its not worth it you dont want to be an artist in the first place. Its like riding a bike or any other physical activity. Yes you can pump yourself full of theoretical knowledge but if you dont start its not worth it. And the more theoretical knowledge you have as a beginner the harder you will hate your drawings. Just draw.

>>6662786
>>6663344
Just tell me what I need to know to learn the fundamentals.

I'm tired of offering advice to idiots who just sits there and complains. Just let them rot, since it seems like they'd rather imagine what it must be like to be a good artist than to actually try.

>>6663385
>just tell me what gear changing on a bike is before even sitting on the bike

>>6661934
read sticky, study and practice fundamentals, get off meds and workout/eat healthy(low carb/keto/carnivore and fasting)/5000-10000iu of vitamin D a day instead would be where you should start.

>>6663408
If I get on a bike with no ideas of how to work it, how am I going to get good at riding one?

>>6663976
just start pedalling

>>6661934
cut off your left hand and learn to do it with your right hand like a real man!

>>6663385
You can read about them all you want, but you can only get good at them by drawing. Just draw already. Start a routine.

>>6661934
i have adhd and autism and it only made me draw obsessively at 12-14 now i draw hentai for a living

I've been trying for a few hours and I still haven't gotten past the "drawing circles over and over again." Phase.

>>6663986
Been trying but again, i can't get past much more than drawing circles with lines.

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>>6661934
>ADHD, autism and a learning disability. Almost 24
most twitter artists have those lol

>24
cutesexyrobutts started at the 26

>>6663976
your questions are not that.

You ask for gear changing, but you dont know how to pedalling.

Start with that first

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>>6663976
You get a bike without gear shift.

>Mfw, every left handed artist I've met was leaps and bounds above everyone in skill.
>OP gets the god hand and is too retarded to use it.

Should I try drawing faces and expressions first before doing whole bodies?

>>6665941
How will I know what to get better at if I don't know what I'm doing?

>>6661934
First you have to get out of your own way. It is easier said than done, but when you pick up a pencil and have a reference to practice from, don't discriminate how you draw. You must learn to enjoy the expirience. If drawing is like pulling teeth or feels like unenjoyable work, you WILL give up. And, honestly, i would argue its a minor lifestyle change considering drawing is a high effort/low output hobby that takes a lot of time.

>ADHD
I have it too (I was diagnosed with ADD and I have been unmedicated my whole life). It can be challenging to finish work but I still draw all the time. I have a little portable drawing pad that I bring everywhere, and when I get the urge to draw from sudden bursts of inspiration I jot out a doodle on the pad. If you're like me where you can't put time aside for anything without losing all motivation, then you should give that idea a go.
And for God's sake dont put yourself down. Anyone can pick up a pencil and learn. Anyone can change their lifestyle. Just don't be surprised that it takes a lot of effort.

>>6669685
Thank you.

>>6668100
Hands have nothing to do with skill. I'm left handed and I just grind grind and grind.

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>>6661934
Good. The more mental illness and disabilities u have the better artist u are.

>>6661934
>I've wanted to get good at art since I was a teen but I've lacked the motivations, resources and teachings to get started.
This is me. You're basically in the same boat as me except I don't have self diagnosed brain problems. Stop overthinking everything and draw. Questions you can find answers to will present themself as you draw, but broad generalist questions like what you're saying don't help anyone. The only thing holding me (and probably you honestly) back is a videogame addiction, and there's no way to fix that besides discipline.
Also, copy things instead of trying to immediately jump into construction. It's way easier exercise for a beginner and it's what most of these "draw as a kid" fucks did anyway.

>>6672855
I don't have a video game addiction. I barely even play them anymore.

>>6673454
have you tried going for a nice walk in nature? maybe you spend too much time indoors

>>6673519
INDOORS, INDOORS, INNNNNNNNNNNDOOOOOOOOORSS

>>6673519
Been trying to do that

>>6661934
Get a mechanical pencil and a ream of copy paper. Draw until you've used both sides of every sheet. Then come back of you have any questions.

>>6663214
Draw, analyze, draw, analyze, draw analyze....

What looks wrong. what looks right. would this look like this in 3d space? why does it look wrong? lets look a refrences to get a better idea of what it looks like
Most of drawng is just analyzing real life.

>>6663385
Only if you pay for my course. 3 simple payments of 69.69 and YOU TOO will learn what it takes to not suck at being an artist.

>>6663976
you get on the bike.
you fall off the bike.
get on the bike, try to balance, fall off the bike.
get on the bike, get slightly better at balancing. you fall off the bike.

Practice is the only way to build muscle memory anon.

>>6672855
Just enjoy the process of learning.
Notice even the tiniest bit of improvements you make and congratulate yourself on them. it might not be a big accomplishment to some, but for you it is, and that is all that fucking matters

>>6663214
Post your work and we'll tell you what fundamentals to grind. Or if you won't, just look at any fucking youtube video on it and figure it out yourself you bum.

>>6661934
Draw
Draw
And just draw more.

>>6663214
start with the basics, listen carefully but also draw along

>>6661934
this thread is still here?

anyway, you're still pretty young.
Draw, look at your drawing, ask for pointers/tips.

Get hurt, thicken your skin, adjust your method and study parts you did bad on by drawing it more.

OBSERVE. LOOK at your subjects, notice details, jot down notes.

You are building a lifelong skill, don't expect perfection out the gate. keep grinding, stay positive about it.

>>6677742
>>6677703
Should I start digital or normal?

>>6678166
Start drawing with pencil and paper to learn fundies, digital gives too many options to a beginner that doesn't know what to do

>>6677703
big fan of this guy as well. his anatomy course (requires you buy a skeleton tho) is the best on yt

>>6678166
Once you show a good understanding of forms, proportion, and can copy a face and figure decently on paper you should graduate to digital so you can fuck around with painting and color

to everyone in this thread trying to help this retard, stop.

OP, stop trying to learn. You're not going to make it unless you are motivated enough to "just draw" and stop crying wah wah how do you DO "just draw" use your fucking pea brain and start with some videos or SOMETHING just dtop fgucking complaining about it on IC GOD

>>6661934
MUH SELF DIAGNOSIS. Kid calm the fuck down and stop spending all day on the internet

>>6678707
i know right?? instead of just drawing hes obsessing over things that should be meaningless for a beginner. i bet op is one of those "gifted kids" that arent actually gifted at all who allowed the praise to get into his head, and now he has some sort of superiority complex and avoids doing anything with difficulty because it might ruin his self image of being more talented than his peers. many such cases, its a modern affliction.
NIGGA JUST DRAW
HAVE FUN WHILE DRAWING
QUIT IF ITS NOT FUN FOR YOU
NOONE CARES IF UR ART IS SHIT
CHERISH THE LEARNING PROCESS
STOP LOOKING FOR SHORTCUTS
DONT BE A PUSSY AND START DRAWING

op is a genetic dead end and will never accomplish anything of value.

how do I learn to legitimately hate everything I draw? to spot every single mistake? be disgusted by every proportion errors?
liking = not improving = stagnation

>>6678765
>This amount of projection

>>6661934
>shaky hands
I can relate, learn how to use the table to stand your hands on. For Digital art, SAI has good stabilizers.
Anyway, some people on this thread are real assholes no wonder why AI Pajeets are aggressive as fuck.

>>6678770
>>6678765
>>6678707
OP here. I have been drawing some over the past few days.

>>6679144
keep it up and u will be gmi

>>6663216
lost

>>6679144
show art

>>6661934
Just use AI

>>6680385
>>6680208
Here is something I tried copying from Loomis' book. I drew pretty small.

>everyone shills the sticky
>decide to read it because 'just draw' isnt helping me
>'copy this dude'
>did it
>'now read book book book book book book book book'
not very zoomer friendly i see. Is there anything.. good?

>>6681200
Draw bigger. Drawing at a larger size is beneficial to your learning process. It will help you improve your motor skills.

Dont be afraid to dedicate a single page to a very large drawing

>>6681270
I'm just worried about how much room I'll need to expand the drawing out

How do I get through drawing something the correct way without my ADHD wanting to take over and get distracted and wanting to finish it as soon as possible.

>>6681328
you cannot. learn to deal with it or get filtered. it is your disability. t. hobbyist with adhd

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>>6661934
No idea if you're being genuine or if this is bait but OP, I've also got autism and ADHD, a separate learning disability, and chronic pain which gives me limited mobility in my hands. I'm a bit older than you, but trust me, you can do it. I've had similar feelings/doubts but I'm a freelance illustrator now and legitimately if I can do this, you can too.


The vast majority of "learning to draw" and "getting good" is just trial, error, and repetition; and for people like us with learning issues, fucking sheer brute-force learning.


The way I learned to draw better was literally weaponizing my autism and ADHD hyperfixations. Get obsessed with a particular subject and you will have the motivation to draw it over and over again. Doesn't matter what. A particular character from something (or an original character); a style of architecture; and extinct animal; a particular plant; etc. Can be one specific thing or multiple. Use that as a motivation to experiment and as motivation to build up knowledge of fundamentals.


Additionally, you need to accept that whilst artists who don't have autism/ADHD/etc can read about fundamentals and go "alright, that makes sense!", for people like us the knowledge needs to be digested in a different way. It took me a long time to realize that reading books on art and watching tutorials and looking at other peoples processes' wasn't actually helping me but wasting my time, because that's not how I learn best.


Everyone is different and you'll need to figure out how you learn best yourself. It can be an uphill battle on it's own, but it's important if you're serious about this. Additionally, having people just tell you how to do things isn't going to help. Yeah, people can point you in the right direction, but you need to put in the work. Even artists who don't have ADHD/autism/etc have tens of thousands of sketches, studies, etc. behind them that never see the light of day, and that's completely normal.

>>6683057
Thank you so much for this.

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>>6683057
>just draw what you're obsessed with
nta, but that sounds like a good advice. My problem? Not wanting to draw that thing until I get good because I also I'm kind of attention whore, so I want to post what I draw, so I don't want to ruin the image of my OC by being beg.
Only way for me to draw a finished piece is to get a temporary hype about meme, joke, fad or request in drawthreads, sometimes sheer desire of wanting to meme on someone.

>>6681270
I tried drawing bigger today, copying something from Loomis' book again.

>>6661934
Read your loomis, Hard round brush, study profesional artists you like and most importantly stop being a faggot

>>6685744
>don't want to ruin the image of my OC by being beg.

Yeah I'm the same almost exactly. I've got a ton of OCs and have a story planned out but am eternally putting it off because "oh no what if it's not good enough" "oh no i can't draw backgrounds that well yet". I get commissions regularly but I feel like I need more experience on comics/narrative illustrations before I'm good enough to really start a project of my own.

At the moment I'm in a really weird spot where my autism has latched onto my girlfriends OC who was the final boss of a homebrew D&D campaign she ran, so I'm drawing her character a lot (she has no complaints because hey, free art even if I am in turboautism mode) and using it as an opportunity to practice more complex backgrounds/scenes. But I can't post the art anywhere because she's running the homebrew campaign for like four different groups and not all of them have hit the final boss yet, so can't get feedback on if the backgrounds actually look decent

Just kinda hoping my brain latches onto something else that I can share more easily and get feedback on soon