/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6655354
how do i do.. anything

>>6655366
start.

>>6655367
anything but that

>>6655367
how

>>6655370
take pencil, draw what you want, compare to what you want to achieve, fix or write down what has to
be changed, repeat

>>6655372
>draw what you want
but it'll be CRINGE

>still cant paint
>still cant draw
>mfw

im never getting out of here

Hi, anyone have some guide on how to draw the intestines, guts and stuff like that?

>>6655380
liveleak.com

I'm struggling with getting darker values when drawing using 2B and 4B. Do you just press harder, apply more layers of is there some technique?

>>6655383
No pls

>>6655387
Heavy pressure can make it a bit darker but 4B can't go very dark, you'll need a higher grade like 6B or 8B. Varies a bit between barnds too. Graphite in general isn't that dark. If you want something darker than that, there are graphite-carbon pencils like the Mars Lumograph black.

>>6655200
Good

>>6654812

Is loomis really the best method for heads? Can't you just find your own method that suits you? Or will that build bad habits?

>>6655514
oh damn, good job anon, I think using a pencil was a good idea here because there are so many shadows and crevices on that rock

>>6655516
No / Yes / Depends

Construction is a shortcut, nothing more or less.

>>6655516
there is also the reily method, the steve huston method and the michael hampton method, but loomis is the most prominent for a reason

Obvious Ooga Booga mouth aside how is this nose looking?

>>6655538
what is this virtual clay?

>>6655542
Blender sculpting

>>6655544
Im on the wrong board

>>6655546
This is /ic/.

I copy.... now what? Try drawing them from memories like playing telephone game?

>>6655558
Yes, maybe change things around too like legs positions or arms, dress, hair length, etc.

>>6655558
Once you can copy from 2D, you work on copying via breaking the figure down into 3D forms and studying perspective, after which you can then recreate the figure from different angles or perspectives.

Haven't posted here in a while, my most recent finished piece

>>6655578
And this one

I’m trying to do a larger piece how does this look so far?

>>6655544
oh cool I need to try that my grandfather was a famous stonemason that did stautes and shit, maybe I have some genes to do that shit

>>6655354
Why do my heads always look like shit, I can’t keep doing this to my husbando

>>6655605
they don't look like shit anon! I feel like you're close to figuring shit out.
For crit, i feel like the problem in this drawing is:
- Construction is too much
- Construction is too messy
This combination always fucked me over. Either do it properly and take your time, or don't do it at all. Catching the likeness of a character is also pretty hard to do. Don't be so harsh on yourslef

>>6655581
i feel like not enough time and effort were spent in the composition and sketching stage. The smoke in the foreground looks flat and uninteresting, the sketch of the background doesn't have clear planes, the movement of the girl is not clear... it's very static and "Boring". Making a complex piece like that with a poor sketch is a recipe for disaster, it will be super stressful to finish and you may not even finish it. I'd say work on the sketch for one or two hours until it looks more like you want it to

>>6655578
oh shid very good
>>6655579
I'd get rid of the scribbles in the background or at least change their color from black. Knigth & Horse are fine, though a bit on the messy side here and there

>>6655605
Ridiculously unproportional. You are not paying attention to your reference

>>6655625
Thanks! And oops I didn't mean to call the second one a finished piece as well, it's still a work in progress and I'll be painting over it to cover the sketch lines

Could I get a redline on this? I feel like something is off but I can't tell exactly what

absolute beg here, where do I start?
copying anime, tracing endless geometrical forms or studying anatomy? I'm confused, thanks.

>>6655665
what's your goal? can you post drawings that make you say "I want to draw shit like that"? are you a complete total beg or did you draw something now and then? Can you post your best drawings?

Bought an old manga book is this method good? I have like 3 different manga books and they all have different methods I'm confused. But they all start out the same, draw a circle and divide with horizontal and vertical line, my issue lies in trying to get it into perspective, like the 3/4 view in different angles and how the further away eye is smaller and so forth.

>>6655676
my goal is to draw cute generic anime girls, but for now the only things I have drawn are the exercises in the sticky that i've started doing a few days ago

>>6655651
her left hip is your problem

Looking for advice particularly on line and values (midtones, shadows, highlights, that sort of thing)

Also, if anything else stands out, good or bad, please let me know

Background is a placeholder, this is about the character

>>6655651
Left arm looks like it's hovering rather than resting on the knee.
Also, the cape should be draped over the left arm even a little bit if it's going to jut out that far to his left instead of going right down the back

>>6655681
>flat circle
kek!!!

>>6655681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBv5z0Y2odE

>>6655681
holy shit even the book i got with 11 isnt that bad

>>6655721
Kek I got the same book by Michael Fischer

>>6655741
was my first art experience, i even have the old drawings to burn them once i make it kek

>>6655616
>>6655630
Gotta love the duality of /ic/
I know messiness is one of my biggest problems but it's always been an issue with me ever since I used to draw/doodle before taking art seriously

>>6655630
How can I make my work more proportional?

what happend first i started with loomis but then the jaw locked off then I tried adding a cube structure to make more sens of everything but then I noticed that the angles are off on the cube which i drew freehand so I used the linetool but according to that my drawing is all fucked up fuck me start with a circle or with a fucking cube what is it? Then there is this guy telling me to draw folded paper >>6655720

It's over.

>>6655764
draw an egg and a mask

>>6655764
what you should do is thinking 3 dimensionally. take for example an egg and draw eyes on it. You can see how the eyes get distorted depending on the way you turn it.

Like Loomis you have to be cautious that you are drawing a sphere, so the lines on the sphere get curved if the sphere turns

>>6655764
There's not right ways and wrong ways, they're just different approaches to understanding the 3D form. To draw, you have to think something like a sculptor.

>>6655776
>>6655770
>>6655766
What will make me understand this better? Should I do the 250 boxes challenge? Or should I rather just copy faces and try to understand while I draw? Should I use the construction methods while copying?

>>6655758
>messiness always been an issue with me
>how can i wake my work more proportional?
well m8, there are a lot of ways but making a clean. proportioned 3d construction is a classic. You can also eyeball stuff, focus on the lines in the image, build up the face from values... lots of ways, if you really don't feel like banging your head on construction you'd need to find the way that suits you best for portraits.

My workflow for simple portraits is usually
- Quickly trace the image and get an idea of the main proportions (distance between each element idk)
- Make a construction for the shape of the face
- Eyeball nose, eyes, mouth

>>6655781
Yes, construct what you're copying
If it still doesn't feel right trace your construction on top of whatever you're copying, make sure you're actually trying to understand what's going on
After some practice it'll become more intuitive

any big issues?

>>6655781
NTA, if you a studying head construction, trace the construction model on your reference and try to do the same without tracing on the side.
>What will make me understand this better?
Go to sketchfab.com and find a simple 3d model, you see it, and try to draw it on a different view, and check later. It's more fun, imo, than doing 250 boxes.

>>6655785
the back arm is too long, look at where the elbow line up

>>6655605
>>6655764
>>6655516
Is it head study day on /beg?
https://youtu.be/DwC-4TEde_4
https://youtu.be/zrwCCj7tRcA
https://youtu.be/2T7cDY7YDsg

Any good books on drawing nature? My attempts at drawing trees and bushes are tragic.

>>6655803
>Steve Huston
I already did his course (I think I stopped at the last section, I don't remember why) AND I did the 100 head challenge.

I feel like it was both very helpful and at the same time I picked up bad habits.
I'll check the rest but I feel like Huston is pretty top tier.

>>6655720
holy fuck that technique is way better than anything else why didn't anyone tell me sooner about this??

Getting through Bridgman

>>6655581
>>6655621
Does this look any better?

WIP

is this okay perspective wise?

>>6655848
>tiresome guy
kek, nice

>>6655843
It's just a matter of what makes sense to you personally. Nobody can know what clicks for you. It just sounded like what the post I responded to needed to hear.

>>6654325
Spent an hour or two on this and then just sorta lost the will to continue. This kinda thing is just too much for my current line control / motor skills, I think.

>>6655796

>>6655681
Is this Mark Crilley? I think you mighr be better off with another book.

>>6655958
yes it is lmao how did u know?

>>6655958
It's this one: https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Manga-Mark-Crilley-drawing/dp/1440309310#customerReviews

got it used for 3 bucks so not a big loss

Put the chromosomes in the bag.

This project is pencil sketch->thin gel pen outline->colored ballpoint. I went overboard on the pencil sketch. The paper is watercolor and it's probably too toothy for ballpoint, but I'm learning and experimenting.
I posted an earlier iteration in the coom source thread and was told I did a better job on the horse than the girl, so I corrected a few lines on her (and promptly fucked them up on the thin outline.)
I'm going to wait until the second color layer is done before I try to erase the pencil. It will probably not come clean, but as I said, it's a learning experience.

>>6655947
can't see shit

>>6655758
it comes with practice i guess. try measuring distances in your head and if you cant at first use your stylus. i felt bad being so harsh at you so heres my try

>>6655970
>>6655970
lanky kong looking ass

What are good workflows for painting in digital? I usually end up defaulting to doing everything on one layer, since that's how physical media works.
Also, how are you supposed to paint hair?

>>6655990
Resized to 1k, whoops

>>6655984
If you're referring to the right arm, yeah. That's the struggle, and it's not as far off as you'd think. I erased it more than five times. It's very hard to see the details on my phone in the lighting I'm working in. I hope I can correct it somewhat when I shade it. As you can see, bitch do got some lankey arms, but I'm still just enough off to justify your comment.

lmfao no clue what i'm doing in the water. fucking spent 5 hours on this shit
at least i got to experiment with a new brush pack

>>6656006
Good job anon! Now draw Mt. Everest, see you next month!

>>6656006
yo i like that brush, can you give? :DD

>>6656035
im a krita fag idk if you can convert it to ps or not

https://krita-artists.org/t/sketch-v2-sk2-pleasure-to-draw-including-colored-pencils-and-blenders/59552

why are you all coomers?

>>6656056
lower entry point

>>6656056
dtiys

>>6656001
>and it's not as far off as you'd think
NTA, not far off my ass

>>6655960
I've seen some of his Youtube tutorials, and flipped through one of his books a while back. There wasn't anything in it that I didn't already know, but maybe I wasn't the audience he was writing it for. Seemed really light on useful "how to" information.

I imagined the right 'panel' to be more over the shoulder, but ended up in isometric. Need to figure a way to catch the right angle from the start, I spent too much time redrawing and ultimately giving up and settling for something I could actually draw.

heads

(if I could insta-max one art skill, it would be line control)

>>6655558
keep copying for a while, then draw from life and add your copy knowledge into real life refs

am i doing this right

>>6656099
>>6656102
horrifying

>>6656102
sinix shill detected

>>6656104
please elaborate

>>6656104
you're welcome

>>6655377
Was life a competition about who could be the least cringe?

>>6655819
Bad habits from Huston? Like what?

how to draw an egg

>drawing is finally starting to become fun
wagmi

>he doesn't know about the "this is fun" trap before the valley of despair

>>6656142
It's true :]

>>6656146
This is a dumb mindset. If you're struggling with advanced concepts with any skill, you know you're not only getting somewhere but you're above the level of a newb. The struggle right as you begin is the worst because you know you're utterly shit and the only way forward is grinding past it. It's the difference between being morbidly obese and entering the gym for the first time and being halfway to your goal body, having to change things up, but still familiar with the basic principles of the routine you're following.

>>6656146
>he thinks i have the mental capacity to feel complex emotions
parallelograms go brrr

>>6656099
same, sadly line control is probably the fundie that requires the most brute force and raw effort

>>6656158
it's not only super frustrating in its own right, but it also makes everything take so much longer and makes perspective/accuracy so much harder to practice

>>6656066
Yes, it's not that far off. You just proved that for me.
I realize that this is a subjective quality, but I might point out three things.
1. This is /beg/
2. I'm doing this with a cell phone and a pencil
3. I'm using a steering wheel for a desk.

I do appreciate you making it easier for me to see the discrepancy between shoulder heights.
I'm having issues sizing these images to the paper, and I'm doing this during down time, sometimes trying to time my strokes in between lifts. It's better than my last one for sure.
How's your restaurant and your daughter, the whale?

>>6656099
>Line control
Try tracing stuff, download or print a picture of a cat, SpongeBob, modern art or anything you don't actually want to draw later and try going over curves you see in it.

It helped me stop my hands from shaking more than Drawabox and his easy 45° lines.

>>6656099
my lines are ok on paper but dogwater on digital

>>6656172
If only that were me, but my lines are just as bad everywhere. If I don't control-z to redo lines, they end up so messy I can't tell what they're even supposed to be

>>6656168
>>6656099

>tracing
Snobs and crabs shit on tracing all the time, but it's muscle memory development. Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of Renaissance art was traced in rudimentary camera obscure (literally "dark room. "
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura
Don't think for a second that those "masters " that schoolfags endlessly fellaciate didn't use every trick and short cut they could to get ahead. You should too.

V8RGY2

>>6656180
I feel like the biggest stigma from tracing originates when people post tracing results and try to pass it off as something they did from scratch. Just don't do that and it's fine.

>>6656190
I mean, if there were teachers or textbooks saying "tracing is a good way to improve line confidence", it would catch on. But, y'know, there's not, so it's all just vibes.

tear me apart

>>6656198
did you use reference

>>6656203
yeah, I used this image

AAAAAA I BECAME /FIT/ FROM /FAT/ I CAN BECOME GOOD AT DRAWING TOO AAAAA

You wake up every day, see no progress, just as with working out, but once you see the first muscles forming and the fat melting you get motivation to continue.

>>6656214
this, the parallel is weird but it's real
the more you think about art abilities as a muscle instead of a skill the less confusing everything gets

>getting sick of my drawing music playlist
aaaaaaaa my tastes are too picky I can't find new music this fast

Hello beg, yesterday i didnt draw and now all the art gains are lost and i have to start from scratch another perspective book.

>>6656142
>claims drawing is fun
>doesnt PYW
looks like crabs are doing false flag operation to me :-)
>>6656102
it looks like its exercise of feeling the form but for that purpose it has too little contour lines imho
>>6656099
line control doesnt get you anywhere. it is all about rendering and being able to apply shades and or colors to win at drawing
>>6656056
show me a single artist who isnt coomer. i fucking dare you! being coomer is hard requirement for making it
>>6655990
ask 100 artists how to paint in digital and you will get 20 different approaches. there are simply too many ways how to arrive to same destination. experiment and see what works for you. Like look at my shit: i picked bristles brush and binded color hue and color mix to pressure and picked one bright and one darker blue and it shitted this. Not a single color pick was made during this, only changing brush size and opacity
>>6655965
is she meant to be korean? anyway i kneel
>>6655858
eyes too apart and not foreshortened (in 3/4 view left and right eye cannot have same shape)
>>6655852
awesome clouds
>>6655851
i think i am starting to recognize you anon, you have very iconic way of drawing faces
>>6655813
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/577155.On_Drawing_Trees_and_Nature
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1262227.Drawing_Nature
>>6655765
INT!
>>6655665
hello anon, welcome to the beg. pick up keys to drawing and good luck! dont forget to PYW next time https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing
>>6655605
you are ignoring some aspects of his face and arent accurate enough. biggest offenders are forehead too big and complete lack of cheeks
>>6655581
i would crop it a bit so the girl isnt in dead center but sure it looks okay
>>6655578
i kneel
>>6656198
the weakest part are the boobs. did you feel the form anon? you did well on her shoes and head but rest is eh

>>6656218
paranoid

>>6656214
I'm trying to lose weight, learn to draw, and learn to shoot accurately. Giving up weed has made me restless. Oh, I'm working six days a week too.

>>6656217
>youtube
>jungle mix
Lets Fucking GOOOOOOOO

>>6656229
based jungle enjoyer

>>6656218
Did I piss you off, or did you just miss me?
(>>6655970)
t. me

Pretty much finished now…I might draw another scene like this as I learned a lot doing this one. I think I could do better the next go around.

>>6656237
i really love this cloud

the nimbostratus

>>6656198
it's just real flat and formless

>>6656237
comfy

please tell me if you find any mistakes

>>6655970
raw opinion?
>I would throw this drawing in the trash and piss on it.

some ref practice after a few days without drawing
I got filtered by the twisted torso pose

>>6655765
awesome leviathan

>>6656254
this was very informative thank you, I need to draw the fucking boxes looks like, among other things

>>6656274
i think you accidentally made them chinese bro..

>>6656196
I am pretty sure Proko suggests tracing lines for practice here:
https://youtu.be/AlmR-WKdi3c
Haven't watched this for a long time though, so I can be wrong.

>>6656274
lol, we got a really confident face, then you are scratching the body. It's some good drawings, but I would bet that you practiced more faces and boobs than actual bodies.

>>6656306
....is that a problem?

>>6656319

>>6656306
the social credits bro...

>>6656248
Ya they were fun to draw once I found a tutorial that seemed to work for me. That was my 1st time drawing clouds and I had to keep redoing that part as I just couldn’t get them right. But I think I’ll do much better the next time around since I found that tutorial.

>>6656262
Thank you kindly.

I started drawing for about I believe 6-7 days now started reading loomis on day 4 I believe, the first few constructed shapes and the first face construction went ok so far. But it’s the circles and trusting my hands to actually make a straight line is what I’m struggling with but you could probably point out more art struggles on the paper, criticism is what I mainly need but it could be more.

>>6656329
Focus on developing better pen control rn, but that's good for 7 days. Keep it up!

>>6656218
you still need line control for painting don't you? but we call it brush control instead or whatever

>>6656274
>using giant tits to cover the torso
why have i never thought of this anatomy hack before thanks anon.

>>6656329
Soulful sketches, anon <3

Thank you anon’s, here’s some more they are mostly circles I did 2 pages of cubes but they are deep within the desk dungeon.

>>6656335
sometimes I make them flat... sometimes...

Can anyone help me with side planes of the head and eye socket placement? Picrel is example of what my issue is. I've been through Loomis, Huston, and currently working on Hampton, and none have really clarified it.

Okay, so in both examples, I've got the basic sphere of the head drawn and the "T" of the face in the perspective I want the head.

On the left, I've drawn the side plane such that it appears proportional with the T of the face and is in the correct perspective. However after drawing the keystone and eye sockets, I can already tell the closest eye socket is WAY too fucking wide.

On the right, I have tried to "correct" this by widening out the side plane of the head. The side plane now looks "wrong" to me. The eye socket now looks to be the correct size, however I can already tell that if I finish the face, the facial features will all be smooshed way too far over on the side of the head, and the face itself will seem too small and completely out of alignment with the rest of the head.

How do I reconcile this? What am I missing or misunderstanding here?

Daily reminder that when you can't get at least 8/10 here you're NGMI

https://www.123test.com/spatial-reasoning-test/

>>6656403
I want you to know I have a sub 100 IQ and a learning disability that directly impacts my spatial IQ and am better than most of the posters in this general. It will never matter.

>>6656406
based

also post work

Idk what to do, currently doing draw a box and daily figure drawing with some painting.

>>6656421
I'm restarted forgot painting, I heard that you should be painting as much as drawing to maintain a good balance is this accurate?

>>6655354
https://youtu.be/NNqQFqF0qOI

>>6656397
The side plane is as big or as small as you want it to be. If the side plane is bigger, then you're seeing the head from the side more. If the side plane is smaller, then you're seeing the head from the front more. It's a matter of camera positioning.

Don't overthink this perspective stuff so much. If you wanna get good at head drawing, first, learn to draw the skull from imagination, from any angle. I recommend getting a physical model of an anatomical skull from amazon. Second, you should download a thousand images from your favorite artist's twitter, and copy all 1000 of their drawings. Make careful, exacting copies, and you'll get a "feel" for how to construct a head, just like that.

The Loomis method doesn't work theoretically. It's not a math formula that you have to master. It's a language you have to learn. You don't learn languages by constructing grammar points and stuff, you learn languages by reading books and getting comprehensible input.

>really feel like drawing while at work, all I can think about
>get home
>dont feel like drawing anymore
How do I fix this

>>6656455
idk maybe try drawing?

>>6655354
this is what it feels like

>>6656455
It's better to get into a habit of drawing than rely on motivation.

were would I get good references for buff men? I want to become a bara artist :3

>>6656464
Go to the gym, get on a low-intensity cardio machine and start drawing the guys around you
Might even get dick up your ass this way, hey

>>6656462
is this a concentration camp?

Tried to do an anime head render for the first time (I never draw anime) and it wound up looking like fucking megamind. Pray for me

What’s the optimal resolution and DPI for drawing in Procreate?

>>6656464
unironically my local gym isn't really best bet. There's just alot old women who go there if you could believe it :c

Any good web resources?

>>6656496
You seriously cannot find pictures of hunky men on the net?

>>6656499
Trying to find pics that show mainly UBER MUSCLEY. Like built like a tank with a focus the upper body and are front facing. A lot of the ones I keep finding are side perspectives like pic rel.

>>6656504
find fitness youtubers. Video should give you more viewpoints

>>6656504
just search for bodybuilder photos or boxing or wrestling

>>6656505
>>6656508
kissing the both of you on the lips. Thank you <3

>>6656464
Just look bara up on danbooru anon
Im not into bara but even I search it up to get my ugly bastards to look right

tried that iterative drawing thing

>>6656525
gooooood....

>focus on proportions
>retardedly measuring everything
>takes hours for a single study
>made a 2d copy
>learned nothing
or
>form decomposition
>breaking everything into simple forms
>all likeness is lost

kek wtf do i do

Just finished making this. Any thoughts?

>>6656462
i swear if this was more materic and not made with ms paint it would be a good painting

>>6656525
>iterative drawing
?

Mandatory. Greetings from Finland

>>6652958
I don’t know how to draw better feather textures so I will just leave it like this

Is fucking up proportions something that gets better with time, or are there some exercises that I can do? Also critique pls

>>6656438
I understand what the angle of the side plane is trying to communicate. What I can't figure out is why my heads always either have an eye socket that's way too fucking big OR have a face that's smooshed way too far over to one side of the head. I cannot figure this out. It's ALWAYS one or the other. I think it's something I'm fucking up early in the construction process but I can't figure out what. I feel like I'm following all the rules of constructing the head properly and still fucking it up.

>>6656644

made more changes after the last thread. still not fully happy with the face but wanted to get you guys' opinions on the pose, dynamism, etc

>>6656730
just my 2 cents

>>6656727
I think you need to step back from construction and just study photographs of heads, maybe.

>>6656730
you’re missing the prosthetic whoville ass nose/mouth she has

>>6656464
total homo death

>>6656189
I'm enjoying your space arc anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYYRH4apXDo

>>6656738
Okay, can you tell me what I'm doing wrong that studying photos would help with? If I don't know what I'm looking for then I'm not going to know how to fix it.

>>6656761
If your problem is your face ends smooshed or stretched out, with stuff misplaced, studying from photos will allow you to practice accurate placement and proportions, rather than just relying on your construction being correct. With a bit practice, maybe you'll start to understand whatever it is about the head that's not clicking.

Construction is a shortcut, so if you're having problems constructing, maybe just cut the middleman and go back to the source?

>>6656761
just take a photo of a head and draw your construction lines over it to see what you're doing wrong.

>>6656397
I think you're just forgetting about the form of the nose in this area; which you left blank.

>>6656765
Thank you, this is very helpful

>every art school requires a portfolio as part of the application
>therefore, every art teacher on the planet is entirely unfamiliar with true begs who haven't been drawing as a hobby for years

this explains so much

>>6655379
I like it, reminds me of The Silver Case. Why is the fag on the right so small?

Are there any books, videos, tutorials or articles on drawing emotions through head and eye movements?

>>6656803
True beginners don't really need a teacher, progress is easiest at the start. You can literally get free gains just by training basic hand eye coordination

>>6656761
I prescribe 1000 boxes and 500 loomis heads concurrently with 2000 live gesture drawing

>>6656099
>>6655886
Tried to shake things up (and maybe improve my horrible drawing speed) by doing timed 5-minute sketches from four random pictures, with no ctrl-Z. Easily among the worst drawings I've ever produced desu

>>6656815
https://e-hentai.org/g/1694527/92e3137cf4/

>>6656751
it is because of this mayspaceship list thing some other person doing and I try to keep up along. I'm somewhat into space myself and it force me to do stuff

Id appreciate any critique on the issues of how i draw people and stuff
rn im trying to get better at using ink cause my dip is sorta hard to control sometimes (random inkblots or the line being bigger than usual for no discernible reason), but id like to know what else to study on

>>6656644
yes, stop drawing brown people

>>6656274
Did you even look at the references? Lol

>>6656849
30m

I'm really bad at rendering/hatching/shading, whatever you wanna call it, partially because I don't know a way to do it that doesn't require a really tight grip (which tires my hand out), so I avoid practicing it.

I fart and sweat so much on my fabric chair that it stinks like used underwear really rancid and disgusting

>>6656621
Use the two in unison
>>6656723
Proportion gets better with time plus study
Torso's a little wonky. The figure has no hips to speak of.

>>6656823
t. drawing since you were a fetus
>>6656803
Drawing has no guides for the complete beginner other than squeezing the right information out of people. You are expected to have drawn as a kid and never stopped, and once I realized that I just started mimicking what I did as a kid in order to catch up aka draw shit I saw and liked.

Can someone help correct this and show me where the shading ought to go? I got stuck with it

What the fuck am I doing wrong with lineart? I take draw in big strokes and try to watch the pen pressure, yet it always has this "feeling" to it.Right was what I was going for. Can you see what I mean? It feels like my lines look inconsistent in comparison. Is this a settings issue maybe..?

>>6657041
looks like right literally just uses a thicker brush setting or switches between brush sizes where line weigh t matters more

>>6657047
I see, I thought I was paying attention to line weight but I guess I still can‘t see the differences all too well..

Times change...

>>6657041
You're copying without knowing why the lines are that particular angle.

>>6657073
The day wow died

>>6657076
I didn‘t go for copy/anatomy accuracy I wanted to focus on getting the lines to look right.

>>6657077
wow died with the nonsensical garbage called tbc

Characters from the wire. Can you name them?

2/2
>>6657165

Missed the drawing 2/2
>>6657165

>>6656268
And that's why you're posting a gif and not work you made.

>>6656403
These tests are bullshit. We had a teacher in high school who was dumb as a crate of hammers, but she taught music. She didn't even have the mathematical ability to understand music theory, but when I put sheet music for an arrangement of a song she never heard, she could play it while humming the vocal line in real time while carrying on a conversation.

>>6656455
Draw at work.

I'm calling it finished. As much as I want to practice the pen technique, I need drawing practice more.

I used white gel pen to soften the lips so she looks less like lankey kong.

>>6656807
Thank you anon! He’s just short. His species is closer to something like a goblin or hobbit than a human so his proportions are smaller. The other fellow is just a standard human.

>>6657179
theorycels be seething over practicechads

>>6656858
Work on proportion.

>>6656118
unironically yes.

>>6657183
>when the human looks more like a horse then the actual horse

>>6655354
Best free PC program for animation?
The ones I've seen are
>OpenToonz
>Pencil2D
>Tahoma2D
>Animation Paper
>MOREVNA
I just want to practice and learn.

>>6657237
Just pirate that shit nigga
https://youtu.be/iXbzktx1KfU

>>6657237
CSP has served me very well. It's that, or TVPaint Animation, which costs a couple grand

>>6657236
Stop being racist you silly ninney.

Made a comission for one dude who works on a game ( I don't draw digitally at all). I feel like it's shit but cannot put my finger on why.
HoM&M3 hog rider
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Boar

Anyone can help me criticize what could be done better an how?

>>6657183
Everyone who critiqued:
>Proportions are fucked anon, you should redraw
Wagie anon:
>Color and ink goes brrrrrr

>>6657237
Just use pivot

>>6657274
Sovl

>>6657255
>everyone
Not even close. At best it's the crabs ITT.
>redraw
Sure, after you post yourself drawing it. No? Then fuck off.
>wagie
Okay homeless parasite.

>>6657287
>getting this defensive
great another schizo

>>6657287
man that's not how you take criticism, in fact you didn't take it at all, you just thought to yourself that you are at the top and wanted to show off but when it turned out you merely touched the bottom of a mountain you've yet to climb you just blindly followed your muscle memory instead of improving.
Literally drop art and start AI generating, you don't have the human spirit to continue evolving.

>>6657287
yikes

>>6657254
bumpa kedabra

>>6657293
>>6657294
>>6657313
Get off the internet, trash. Even if you aren't a chat bot, you're as useless a one.

>>6657360
>it's another one of those
>>>/lgbt/

I took a 9 month break from practicing art and somehow this thread got noticeably worse in that time

>>6657254
>taking commissions
>still coming to /beg/
nigga wtf u doing
Maybe a more dynamic composition would help. The one you've drawn is pretty static.

>>6657360
>"hmm, where should I post my beginner drawings?"
>/ic/
>Artwork/Critique
>"yes, that'll do"
>posts art
>gets well deserved critique on the artwork/critique board inside the /beg/inner thread, some critique rude, some very constructive
>sperg out
>made fun of even more
>starts making up schizo theories that he's getting gangstalked

>>6657363
>>6657376
It applies to all of you.
Pyw. You are either a bot, or a loser who talks shit on /beg/ because it's all you got. I hope you guys are bots. I would feel sorry for a human this pathetic.

>>6657389
lmao

>>6657365
Is the whole site. You notice they never pay an original image, they never address things they are called out on, and they use canned, generic language.
You go to /fit/, you get ketoschizo
You go to /ck/ you get the anti cast iron teflon shill.
You go to /tg/ you get the same thing here, but in 3d.
You go to /k/ you get the noguns tactishill.
You go to /biz/ you get the fud/fomo varieties.
There are real posters, but you get these things everywhere. I'm not saying these crabs ITT are bots, but they won't pass a Turing test.
Like, I just spent time practicing. They are just trolling to feel better about their failed lives, parroting the shit others said to them to hurt their feelings.
Or bots. Either one.

>>6657389
>the gun
XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
My art is already in the thread and I ain't posting shit for you, retard. Pissdrinking shit-for-brain LOSER who will NEVER learn how to draw anything anyone wants to look at outside of anons who were kind enough to respond to your GARBAGE in the first place. I wouldn't PISS on your "art" if it was on fire. Good luck, LOSER.

>>6657389
>>6657254
literally skill issue on your side. Cope harder.

schizos on /ic/
day that ends in y

>>6657389
why did you draw the gun so much more detailed than the sketches

>>6657402
>doesn't post
>profanity filled rant
Turing fail
>>6657403
You got balls posting that pseudo landscape surreal negative shit to make your point. I'll give you that.
Doesn't really help your skill argument.

>>6656711
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

>>6657417
My soup was ready.
Really.
That's honestly the reason.
I did some quick gestures while the soup was cooking.
Then I just felt like drawing my gun since it was there, after I ate.
I'm still trying to learn how to use this noodler's ahab.
It's pretty fun, but quirky.

>>6657424
55 minute video? i aint watchin all the stupid lil nigga

Hello beg, drawing is hard. I like how the author draws people in this book.

>>6657254
there are only two things to crab: the nonexistent background and its colors being very similar to the main object. With different color for sky it would all look better. And the pants. Google some photos of people riding horse or a bike. The shades / wrinkles on them should be the darkest / deepest on spots where pig ends and pants starts (crotch). Otherwise its great
>>6657237
krita
>>6656232
there is character limit so even if i wanted i cannot meaningfully give everybody (You)s. and your stuff didnt evoke anything i can crab or compliment. you judt need to draw more to grind it out
>>6657183
here i can crab you for not using black pencil for better display of forms. for example her legs and hands are almost completely flat. Other option is to use the marks left from pencils as hatching and imply form that way
>>6657041
lot of inaccuracies in the shapes of the legs. the biggest offender is knee>thigh on leg on right
>>6656858
soul. it looks like you know what you are doing
>>6656815
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1006428.The_Artist_s_Complete_Guide_to_Facial_Expression
>>6656723
they get slightly better every time you draw from reference but the progress is so slow it feels like you never ever improve until you look at your old drawings
>>6656718
just google photo of chickens and draw what you see. Very nice and soulful
>>6656713
interesting style
>>6656644
simple, appealing, you will drown in likes on twitter if you keep it up and make her show tits occasionally. The lineart (line thickness) seems random to me. Do you have any system for it? If not then invent some.
>>6656621
just draw
>>6656495
Dots Per Inch dont matter until you start printing, resolution should be at least twice the size of target resolution (so if you want to post pics on twitter in 1080p you should use at least 2160p canvas)
>>6656423
nice chonker. follow some course or book for guidance

>>6657389
What is this, anon? I can tell the other two are supposed to look like people, but I can't quite make out what this pile of shit is? Is it literally shit?

>>6657403
Oh, sorry. I missed the boar. Breddy gud!
I did a quick study. Sorry I got the proportions wrong. I did it fast in fountain pen.

>>6657455
Ask
>>6657417
>>6657402
Then see an optometrist.

>>6657458
I think you need to see an art teacher or perhaps this link https://youtu.be/ewMksAbgdBI because "the gun" looks like a pile of shit with scribbles covering the whole thing.

>>6657183
>>6657287
>>6657360
>>6657389
>>6657458
im rooting for you :)

>>6657456
>quick study
What did you learn?
>proportions wrong because I did it fast
Is that why the proportions are wrong in every drawing you posted ITT?

>>6657465
me too! im rooting for the downtrodden anon getting bullied by the thread meanies!

>>6657454
This was my first time trying colored ballpoint over pencil. I went overboard on the pencil and had to erase a lot. I use pilot neox hb 0.5 which comes out on the darker side. I completely erased it and that may have not been an ideal choice.
>hands flat
The hands are going to suck for a while, boss. As it is I erased them at least six times. It's a practice issue and I'm gong to have to do more. This is my compromise. I try to have visible hands in every subject so I get at least some practice.
I will take the root of your criticism and try to maintain contour in future projects. The style of colored ballpoint isn't based on contour lines (pic), but I'll figure out how to make it work. Obviously the guy who made the video on it does photo realistic drawings so it's possible to do right.
Is just going to take a lot of tries, I suspect.

>>6657483
is this the poopcum snake

>>6657389
read about perspective

>>6657476
i havent gotten to color at all myself but looking at your values you should consider the possibility of combining them or layering them. Experiment with what will happen if you first add on paper gray or black pencil then add on top yellow. Not all colors have access for full value scale and that can be very problematic so you need to compensate for it somehow.

tldr dont think in yes/NO terms when it comes to colors. Find a way to blend and or mix them to create nice stuff.

How should I do linear for the background I’ve never really attempted a background like this before and don’t know how to tackle it.

>>6657468
>what did you learn
After I made the chest piece too short I learned to slow down and check.
I realized I didn't see the shading while I was outlining. When I went back to shade I noticed I missed some lines on the arm.
Too put it another way, each minor mistake is a lesson.
>>6657461
Let's see you draw it from the photo provided in pen in less than twenty minutes.
You won't.
>>6657465
>>6657470
Thanks, but honestly I shouldn't be feeding them. They do serve a purpose tho. Without them I'll get lazy. Since I'm not a professional artist, I get compliments IRL I maybe don't deserve.
The crabs keep it real. They just don't like you calling them out when they are wrong about something.

>>6657488
>perspective
I didn't draw it from the angle of the photo. I was sitting back at a lower angle.
I thought about retaking the photo when I noticed this, but I thought that would be obvious. Clearly I should've retook the photo at the drawn angle. It's obvious because the lower half of the rear sight isn't visible.
Speaking of sights:
The stock sights are black but that's liquitex acrylic gouache on there. Rear is unbleached titanium, front is cadmium free yellow hue.
I'm thinking of changing it.

Sometimes you want to clean up, sometimes you don't.

>>6657454
nice benches pawell

>>6657491
I've been blending. Pic is basically seven solid color pens. As I've mentioned earlier, I did this shit at work and hurried it. There's minimal layers on the horse girl because I'm impatient and wanted to get parts done rather than stop in the middle of a layer.

This is another lesson. If I hurry, be prepared to get called out on the low quality.

Thing is, I like getting shit done. I left so much shit unfinished in my life that is rather do a compete job badly than a good one partially.

>>6657483
I'm flattered.
You took the time to make me part of a classic /ic/ meme.
Thank you!

>>6657360
>seething this hard
meine seiten

>>6657531
Your sites?

>>6656935
Confronting my weaknesses head-on, I spent an hour on Ronald Reagan eating ribs.

His hands really gave me hell. Captured at most 5% of his likeness but that was never really the point so whatever.

keyed to drawing (formerly locked)

>>6657497
>Let's see you draw it from the photo provided in pen in less than twenty minutes.
NTA, but if it is to be able to talk to your highness, I shall do it.
You don't know how to receive critiques, anon, every single one your either talked shit to the person or you made up some dumb excuse for your lack of skill.
>BUT AM BEG
Yeah, fuck you, we all are here, but if you just compare yourself with begs, you will never become better.
Now, I am >>6657255
I posted just to banter with some anon, but it turned the thread into a fucking schizorant, so I say sorry to the thread.

>>6657496
Here's your chance to experiment. Just think in terms of light and shadow and see how it goes.
>>6657536
Good for you, anon. Kinda looks like a Chinaman eating dog.

>>6657536
In hindsight, I wish I'd been more careful laying out the shadows, and also wish I'd taken the time to make them follow the curve of his body more, especially by his back/shoulders. But by then my hand was tired and I wanted to be done.

is it normal for your entire hand to go numb after only a few minutes of light sketching? i'm not death gripping my pencil or anything but no matter how i place my arm and wrist it still goes numb really quickly

>>6657517
Those are pretty good anon, keep it up. The worst one is the study on the top right, so it is the best to critique: You have two options when picking a hatching direction
>Follow the form
>Make uniform lines
You aren't doing either in it, but it looks like you wanted to follow the form, as a suggestion, go look at Charles Dana Gibson, specifically his hatching.

>>6657543
That's 26 minutes.
I followed the bugs bunny rule. I didn't get belligerent until anons started talking shit. There's plenty of examples of me taking criticism when it's legit.
>excuses
No nigga, reasons. Stop projecting your npc blame avoidance behavior on me.

Shit didn't go south until I called the rude people out and that includes you.

>pic
It's as far removed from my actual gun as my horse girl is from the source. Where's the wear marks? The texture is wrong.
I think you're symbol drawing.

See how stupid that sounds?

>I was just doing bants
Yeah, then you got butthurt. Fucking hypocrite!
>>6657551
No. If you have good medical, see a doctor.
If you don't, try doing low weight high rep dumbbell exercises. This can fix minor nerve damage, but it's a risk. If you aren't too fucked up that will work, but if you got real problems it will fuck you up worse. Use caution.

>>6657551
sounds like your hand is just falling asleep. happens to me when i use a tablet sometimes. maybe cause the pen is fatter.

>>6655377
You're being cringe right now so drawing is an objectively superior alternative

>>6657574
>That's 26 minutes
And this is where I call bait, anon thinks I fucking live here. Also, from the hour of your post to mine was 34 minutes, so where did you pull this number?

>>6657588
These kind of people are beyond help anon just let them live their fantasy delusions

>>6657588
I'm trolling people on three boards now, I don't remember.
I've been up for sixteen hours. I should have gone to bed, but I keep getting attention. This is fucking stupid. Why AM I doing this?
Fucking suicide Tuesdays, am I right? Draws all the crazy out.

>>6657590
Pyw
>>6657588
>thinks I live here
Also, there's no post id's. By responding to the twenty minute challenge you kind of inherit the conditions.
If you don't like it, I'm NTA also, okay?

>>6657551
>arm and wrist
You can try putting something soft under your elbow. I find that to be the cause sometimes.

>>6657588
>34 not 26
Added, not subtracted. It adds up to 60.
I just figured it out.

>>6657590
I am just sad that the schizo hijacked the thread, what was it, 30 posts about him?

>>6657603
next thread will be better

>>6657603
I didn't hijack shit. Y'all were rude. If you didn't start none, there wouldn't be none.
>schozo
Stop using this language. There are paid shills who use this way of speaking to further their agenda. This is a known fact. By aping their idiom you legitimize their tactics and lower discourse to that level.
It is a matter of record that ai chat bots and government agents frequent these boards. It is ignorant and disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
But beyond that, there are many anons who respond to things inappropriately and without fully reading or understanding what they are responding to. If you behave that way and are accused of being fake, instead of escalating the belligerence, you should lead by example by taking the criticism constructively and correcting your own behavior.
Together we can prevent another Buffalo.

>>6657454
aaaa whAAAAAAAAAAAA WHY ARE YOU POSTING UN TOWERSSS I HATE THE ANTICHRIST!!!!!!!!!!

>>6657389
Pick an easier and simpler subject to practice from, you're setting yourself up for failure with things with dark local color and with an ambiguous contour that either demands a very trained eye for light and shadows and shape language to be understood, but in the long run it doesn't matter because the angle and subject is rather dull and not recommended for a /beg/. In the case you wanna go hard on contours try drawing for example something like white/gray sneakers or a power drill in various angles, they have enough information for you to filter or to describe from (which means doing various iterations, so you can apply different approaches in terms of linework and compare which one reads better, in this case just try to focus on describing different areas in each version so the exercise provides better feedback), or if you want to gauge your skill, draw something as simple as an apple or a banana, that should look interesting without spending too many lines on it and will directly benefit from working with more complex subjects.
If you've heard about straights ( / ) s lines (literally s) and curves (c) that's generally the way to go about describing contours and inner (implied) shapes, if you can gather anything from the "shit flinging" is that your drawing needs to read better, so try something like that and see if it helps. Things like values can be added, though minimally (this gets into understanding planes and construction, so it can easily get more complex), in general any kind of practice can be isolated so you don't spend more time that you have to from exercises like this, a basic understanding of form and planes and how they turn in space would benefit you for the time being, also watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_-DiAzYBc&ab_channel=Proko

>>6657658
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_-DiAzYBc&ab_channel=Proko
>6 Steps to Draw Anything
>skip observation skills/accuracy
anon...
https://streamable.com/vzhxk8

>>6657661
This is a classic "not actually for begs" Proko video.

>>6657667
is proko good for u

I did right the first time and then it just got worse. What do? :ccc

>>6657658
I'm probably not doing myself any favors by picking a black on black object and using a fountain pen.
I'll put the video on.

>>6657696
You just messed up the perspective. Spend 15-20 minutes drawing boxes with proper perspective lines and a straightedge.

>>6657696
Take a nap.

>>6657287
3-5 minutes on the features you butchered. this is what you wanted lester.

>>6656462
something about this makes my belly button feel weird

>>6657376
I posted the Fargo meme. sorry didn't realize he was a schizo.

>>6657709

>>6656871
based

I studied some hide poses, he has a playlist where he draws these for beginners to study. I simply drew after him and paid close attention how he draws the lines and at which angle, he is insanely fast, so I had to slow the video to 0.5 and even then I had to pause constantly, but it's more fun than normal timed gestures for me, because You feel like you're truly learning something

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9v

>>6657661
>a basic understanding of form and planes and how they turn in space would benefit you for the time being
You need to understand perspective to a basic degree to jump into constructing anything. From what I see anon can visualize things in space, what is getting in the way is the overload of information and that having too many things/choices to practice, which in turn dilutes your efforts, construction is just one of them, but if you want to have something look like a drawing and not just nice cubes or planes sitting in a white canvas you need to aim a little further than that.
There's a common tendency of thinking if you jump into details right from the get go you will have as a result a more refined piece, when in reality dialing back to fundamentals will hold everything together making the details just the cherry on top, the video directly addresses this by suggesting in the very first stage to learn perspective while evolving from constructing basic forms into real objects with clear steps, and it certainly is more of a roadmap about learning to draw than being a video on a specific subject, say, something like what Marco Bucci does with his 10 minutes for a better painting videos, which are clearly useful, but first and foremost you need to have some sort of direction/mindset before even jumping into drawing/painting, even for cubes, otherwise all you will have is endless pages of exercises and your brain still won't make the leap into how to integrate this into an actual drawing, this is especially important if you're gunning for adopting a reliable process for creating your pieces, which I assume is the majority of artists in here.
If you want a course that applies all of this in a nice package, try Will Weston drawing for composition course, he goes in depth into explaining this while giving you assignments. Here's another useful video on drawing with basic shapes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47d6nsfS-o8&ab_channel=RobertLaszloKiss

>>6656325
they look so good
what tutorial for the clouds did you follow?

>>6656871
based

>>6657720
>it's more fun than normal timed gestures for me, because You feel like you're truly learning something
anon discovers the power of master copies

Oh god...
I think I will stay /beg/ forever no

>>6657872
95% of people just eyeball it, nobody cares. also most art software has perspective tools if you want to be mega anal about it

>>6657872
you could unclutter it a lot, only the lines moving away from you go towards the vanishing point

based on an actual sloot I saw at an EDM show once

>I am getting targeted by paid shills because I am so important!!!
>a demoralizing campaign is being ran against me!!!
>the government is targeting me!!!
>you are AI!!!
Holy shit the delusion is absolutely schizophrenic. All this because he felt like he was better than really he was at drawing. Let this be a lesson anons, if you have kids, don't spoil them, or they'll never take responsibility as adults.

>>6657961
Did you use a ref?

>>6657704
Lol, wtf even is that? Four random eyeballs? No wonder you're here being a dick. I bet you're one of those kids who begs for extra credit when you fail a test.

>>6657994
I rest my case

>>6656644
>>6657454
Well, I mostly use a set line thickness that I divide the line by 3/4 if I want to utilize the same thickness but with a shorter line.

>>6657835
Yes, it's amazing. Learning to learn to draw is a learning curve by itself, it's fucked how much different shit there is out there and everyone has to find what works for them, there is no one fits all sadly

mmahv4

>>6657835
>>6658093
Discovering that gesture drawings are an incredibly useless thing to practice as a total beginner seems to happen to most people.

>>6657994
you have to understand anon we're all glowniggers here targeting autists that draw bitches with arms that are way too long so they eventually kill themselves

>>6657581
It WILL be more cringe than that.

>>6658032
The eyes from your picture you completely missed like half of the structures in the horses eye or why they exist. The woman's lips are drawn out too heavily with lines. No shadows, The shapes are stiff you don't see any depth.. I'm only being a dick to you because you posted this image in at least 2 or more threads asking for advice then shit on anyone who tried to point you in the right direction.you didnt want help you wanted drama and attention. Here it is.You're gonna tell me to pmw when I critique your eyes. Extra credit wasn't offered in the school I went to when I went to school. Oddly specific schizo insult.

>>6658144
For me it was the opposite. Gesture drawings is when I finally felt like I began making progress. Though maybe that was with an already small but existing knowledge of the most basic concepts.

This took me one hour, thought? Should i attempt to make similar thing faster or should i try to polish doing similar thing and take longer time?

>>6656274
Very nice, anon, your lines look appealing

>>6658355
Face and overall colors and rendering look appealing

On the other hand, anatomy is fucked. Torso is really short and she looks stiff

Your drawing skills are below your painting skills, you should just grab a pencil and draw some gestures and people in more 3d poses

>>6657183
>Draw at work
Fucking based. Make THE MAN pay for your practice time.
Here are some of my prebeg scribbles. If management asks I am waiting for our programs to compile or just waiting for one of our branch offices to test a new feature.

I also work out at work. I do squats and push-ups and I shamed management into accepting it because "Employees gotta stay healthy and a fit body is a fit mind".

You don't have enough time for your hobbies outside of your work hours? Do them at your job.
I have a dozen chink anime girl figures at my desk I use as reference and also use company papers for doodling.
Just make sure to not draw flat or petite women because you will BE IN DEEP SHIT. Talking from experience.

>>6656366
>Lidica
Based

Hey I'm the "never drawn before" guy who shat up your thread a week ago >>6647938
I made a "quick sketch" of marisa, but before I spend a gorillion hours perfecting every little pixel, I want to confirm I got right the things I struggled last time - the proportions and pose. Did I?
At least friends are telling me she looks much more natural.

>>6658381
HOLY SHIT NICE PEPPER ANON

>>6658389
It's a GIMP brush and a meme

Whats with the influx of schizos recently? Or was this always the case?

>>6658381
>spending gorillion hours perfecting every pixel
How long did it take you? It's extremely messy

>>6658391
HOLY SHIT NICE PEPPER ANON

>>6658391
ah i get it, GIMP = green is my pepper

>>6658410
lost

>>6658398
i released artbugs into the chemtrails because i thought it would be funny

>>6658403
I got the face down pretty fast which I'm still pleasantly surprised about, but it took quite a few tries to figure out what to do with the pose. Like couple hours of sketch something and throw it away.
This is the second actual attempt at drawing anything so I have no technique or any idea what I'm doing. All I can do is redraw until it looks okay.
Now, does it look okay??? Is it worthy of spending the hours to clean up and color?

>>6658410
based gnu enjoyer

>>6658410
hehe

>>6658422
Why do you larp? It's obvious to everyone.

>>6658428
???

How can I improve this character from a design and illustration standpoint?
Before I add a background, of course

>>6658431
The same thing everyone said a week ago. I won't bother further.

>>6658415
You certainly got me, anon

>>6658434
Considering how bad the reimu looks, Is that *that* hard to believe I've not done this before? I guess thanks for the confidence boost, but I'd really like actual feedback so I know how to improve.
I *am* surprised myself I can draw faces at all, only reason I decided to give this hobby a shot.

>>6658364
My construction always goes from eh good enough and eventually end up to yeah shit obviously fucked
>draw some gestures and people in more 3d poses
yeah thanks for the advice, i think i need more hours to put into 3d posing.

>>6658443
damn she has my hairline.

>>6658444
TOO REAL

>>6658444
i draw hers by following mine too man.

>>6658444
Vegeta, I...

>>6658444
this board makes the funniest snide remarks

total /beg/ here. I want to know if doing this actually does anything other than train my eyes and musles.

Why are you ignoring meeee

>>6658456
not unless you wanna draw guro
study only the major forms that are visible under the skin, morpho simplified forms is good

>>6658465
Okay, thanks. I should have started from that one but I want to draw detailed stuff so maybe this will help me in the future.

>>6658456
>total /beg/ here. I want to know if doing this actually does anything other than train my eyes and musles.
If your brain is on and you're thinking about the shapes you're copying and why, then yes. But it might be slower progress than if you stuck with simpler pieces until your skill is higher.

A good rule of thumb is how well do you think you could repeat the drawing from memory after the fact? If you think you'd be at a total loss, it's probably too complex a subject.

Which one looks better and why?

I made both of them within an hour of each other

>>6658469
simplified forms is plenty detailed, the main morpho book is great but unless you wanna draw scornguys ASAP i'd leave that for later

>>6658368
>prebeg
Is not amazing, but it's aesthetically pleasing. Your selling yourself short.

>>6658487
one on the left looks better to me, simpler but more dynamic pose and nicer lines

>>6658487
Composition and proportions of the left are better.

left I typed my whole explanation but it got deleted. the only part I would question is the feet position but other than that this looks pretty cute.

>didn't quote
fuck
>>6658523
for >>6658487

>>6658193
Lol, you drew four eyes. That's 1 and a half eyes too many and one horse and one girl too few. You can't focus on one feature and blow it up on a tablet and expect respect.
Also please link where I asked for your opinion?
You and>>6658163 (if you're even two separate people) need to stop. You're the one bringing up "glowniggers" and "gangstalking" and saying "schizo" to everyone who calls you out on your bullshit. I appreciate the attention, but you need a healthier way to work your your issues.
I get you need attention too, but if you actually read my posts you'll see who gets treated with respect and who didn't.
>oddly specific
It's a guess, based on your incomplete work you want credit and respect for.

I'm being real with you. You sound like you're in a bad place and dealing with it badly. And if that's not the case, you're coming off like a compete asshole.
Now chill the fuck out and when I post something next thread, think more and post less.

>>6657835
>Master copies
If photography existed back then they would have just used them instead, I suspect. It's much easier to copy a well drawn image than to get some bitch to sit still while you figure out how to draw.
>but they learned the technique too!
Maybe, but I suspect it's simply more practical.

This is hard.

Just ignore it, it craves attention.

>>6658546
sovl

>>6658552
this but unironically

when you redraw it in a few years you'll look at back at these drawings fondly

>>6658546
It's a start anon, keep going, keep drawing.
Try looking at some references!

>>6658381
You're hiding your lack of knowledge about the lower body behind the dress. Overall proportions are better than last time.

>>6658549
Then why are you responding? I think you're projecting.

Nago sketch

>>6658531
>you drew four eyes
Anon, he drew two eyes and copied to shade, it's pretty self evident.
>Also please link where I asked for your opinion?
This is a public anonimous forum, people are entitled to post what they want about art and critique, he posted a critique.
>And if that's not the case, you're coming off like a complete asshole.
I would invite you to read what you wrote on each response, and instead of imagining chat bots, you imagine them as normal people.

>>6658568
>You're hiding your lack of knowledge about the lower body behind the dress.
Both these characters have somewhat similar design in that respect, yet I utterly fucked it up the last time. Why that happened was I did not sketch or pose her beforehand, didn't plan at all. Went in details first, and all I could see was the details. Completely backwards.
I hope the haters (that I apparently now have lmao) can see how uninitiated I am. I really have zero technique, only autism.

But I'll definitely try drawing something with more skin next. Curious to see myself, now that I've grasped some basics, how will my intuition hold up in more technical stuff.