/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>reposting so other people can see how disabled onii-chan made me
I did enjoy playing with the thickness of the lines tho

>>6649986
I should have waited for this thread

>>6650027
portraits are like jumping straight to max difficulty
you would benefit from the sight lessons in keys to drawing

>>6650029
I had a look at some resources today that told me to draw 250 cubes but I got bored of it quickly. I'll look at the sight lesson you mentioned (but I still plan to draw a portrait every day as well, I think it would be fun to do 30 days of portraits).

>>6650007
someone pls explain to me how when i try to use the color palette in pic related on another piece the colors don't look the same and how do I make it look the same

>>6650053
post the other piece nig

>>6650007
OK so which of these is perma/int/, pre/beg/, and pseudo/adv/?

>>6650057
die

>>6650054
I've posted it too many times now...i don't wanna get flamed for posting it again, ok sure last time istg

>>6650053
>>6650059
It's not even the same colors.

>>6650059
change the background colour to the one you have in the other picture
surrounding colours affect your perception of colours
it would also help if you actually used the same colours

>>6650064
I just realized I changed the colors the last minute but i swear when I used the colors they didn't look the same

>>6650059
it's probably you messing up with photoshop or whatever program's color profile.
RGB & sRGB result in different colors when saved.

am i gonna make it? be brutally honest

Any notes before I move on to adding values and shading?

I'm specifically asking about form and lineart

Today, I poorly drew a TIE Fighter hangar. Only at the end did I realize TIE Fighters panels are hexagons, and not octagons.

Is it better to stretch yourself out and make one drawing that takes a long time or make lots of drawings that only test you a little?

>>6650007
All the strongest hero's.

>>6650280
Ideally you'd want to do both. Dedicate a day or two of the week to make a larger piece while the smaller stuff just gets you into the habit.

Is it true that creative people are better to be born in 3-d world country because they can download any courses from torrents without consequences? And then they could move to better countries.

>>6650280
In running, the way to maximize your fitness gains is to do something like 85% easy runs and 15% hard runs. I'm too beg to say that art works the same, but it kinda feels like it does.

>>6650294
Wouldn't it be better to be born first world for all the opportunities, and then move to the third world where your whopping $40/month of commission income is enough to cover the cost of living?

>>6650294
yeah, thats why firez is from some shithole

>>6650246
your name sounds like a place garfield would send nermal so maybe

>>6650294
I can do the same thing with a VPN, so not really.

>>6650007
Is it worth leaning 3d for bakcgournd art now? i found this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdRXjSLQ3xI

hello beg, dont get backstabed!

>>6650294
third world art advantage is that you can sell your art to 1st worlders: for them its 20$, a cost of 1 burger. but for thirdie that spare change will feed his 8 kids family for whole month. pirating books is legal even in the biggest totalitarian shitholes like germany or australia, you just need to use vpn or dodge p2p networks and use something standard like libgen. and even if you were so dumb and used vanilla torrent client, all you will get is a warning or some small fine
>>6650280
less thinking, more drawing. if you want guidance (you want guidance, at least at the very start) follow some course or book ala keys to drawing
>>6650249
looks okay
>>6650246
>abu zubaydah
what? and idk, it seems you had fun while drawing clock 10 times but its all under beg standards imho
>>6650024
you need keys to drawing, badly

Total beginner here, took about an hour to draw this after the first week of Brent Eviston's course. I feel like I'm kinda cheating by using a reference as simple as a porkymon instead of the scrub jay, and I still made a lot of mistakes, but I never would've gotten something this close before. If you're struggling to stay engaged with the beginner's books like I was, I wholeheartedly recommend trying Eviston's video course.

>>6650363
all his stuff is on skillshare right?

>>6650246
YOU'VE ALREADY MADE IT GET OUT OF HERE

>>6650403
Idk, I got it from the torrent
>IC-STUDY\Courses\Fundies\The Art and Science of Drawing

Hallo
It's me again.
Guess the who this is

some sketches, i dont like the faces. Gonna take a nap and continue with studies

>>6650294
mate I'm a yuropoor and I've been torrenting music/vidya and everything else for like 2 decades now without any problems.

I'm doing a project and most of the others are drawing digitally. I want to do it traditionally, but I have to be able to scan it. Will UPS work for scanning or am I just going to have to draw in Paint with a mouse instead.

>>6650246
Extremely soulful

Time choices: what is more important, cardio or drawing? I only had time to do one and I chose cardio, but I got a flat at the end of my shift so I tried to freehand the switch truck in the time it took the tech to change the tire. I didn't start right away, so I had to work quick.

I'm home now so I got time for more practice, but with my job I can never be sure that I will (have time after work.)

What are your priorities anons? Would you rather be beg and thiner or int and fatter?

>>6650363
>I feel like I'm kinda cheating by using a reference as simple as a porkymon instead of the scrub jay
>simple
NOp

>>6650501
>cardio
Kek

>>6650501
Int and fatter. Weight is easier to lose than drawing.

So what do you anons think? I am trying to do something stylized and have a unique look. I can sense some stuff is off but I'm not proud enough to understand it completely.

>"Lineart is all about confidence"
this is a lie

>>6650550
Fundamentals before style.

>>6650562
I'm actually going between fundamentals and style, I know I gotta learn the basics but I also really wanna jump on character designing

am i beg or more of an int

Request from my friend

>>6650565
inbetween, you have the drive, you can get to /int really quick, if you let yourself go.
ygmi anon I can already see it.

>>6650559
It's not a lie. But it is much more than "lineart". Confidence is about conposition and fundamentals, and it's not an ego thing, it's a natural reflex built on infinite repetition. Eventually, you will know what you're doing, so you just do it like if you're hand writting words on paper.

>>6650564
Focus more on fundamentals do character stuff on the side, you're style will develop through your fundamental practice cus you'll start learning what appeals to you and what you want to exagerate. Truely a moment of you need to know the rules to break them.

>>6650565
You're barely even /beg/, but hey, I can see the intent. I also started with a mouse drawing on ms paint or whatever you used here.

>>6650246
Uhm...isn't that from some poor arab that got tortured by the CIA or something and he drew what they did to him?

>>6650250
Bonus GONK

>>6650567
I like it a lot

There’s still some problems with this but at least it’s finished now :) starting to feel like my art is looking less beg as well

>>6650638
i like it anon, gmi

>>6650638
/adv/ get out of here

>>6650565
> futa
immediately /pro/

>>6650550
high /int/, low /adv/ once you learn 4 point perspective

>>6650441
awesome. high /adv/

>>6650644
top kek

>>6650644
KyS tourist trOOn. Get your brain checked.

>>6650638
Way better than earlier

>>6650644
lolmao

Whats a redpilled brush for lineart

So I bought I tablet, screenless and how do you even draw with them? It's fucking me up so bad, I don't understand how to use them, I feel lile I'll scratch it with every movement and maybe I picked a very small one

Pic related is how I (can't) use one now

>>6650709
>screenless
You develop a third eye and learn to not draw while looking at your hands, or save yourself the suffering and get a graphic tablet. They're only a hundred bucks or so nowadays. There's a learning period with both but screenless is way more brutal.

>>6650715
>>6650709
are you telling me the reason I can't draw for shit is because I use a screenless tablet

>>6650709
They're harder to get used to than tablets with a screen, you just gotta keep practicing but it'll take a few weeks until you get the hang of it
This is why I think screenless tablets are a meme unless you're buying one from the absolute poverty sub-100 dollar tier
>>6650718
No

>>6650718
It's not the sole reason but it's probably a huge factor. Screenless is dogshit, especially for learning.

>>6650709
You need time to get use to it. It took me a month.
Tips
1. Try to adjust tablet sensitivity to your liking.
2. Put a sheet of A4 paper to cover your tablet. It will protect your tablet from scratching and wearing down your pen tips.

>>6650718
>are you telling me the reason I can't draw for shit is because I use a screenless tablet
Everyone else can draw, so why can you? fucking drama queen, attention seeking ass nigga. Less complaining and more drawing.

>>6650723
nta but i cant that's why i'm here

hey guys keep drawing lol

Guys...I have big trouble with drawing a box and rotating it. Am I retarded?

wow I'm in the op image, I feel graced. thank you anon.
>>6650725
damn and I thought I was done for the day, if you insist anon

>>6650719
can i be honest, i spent 2years with screenless tab and within 2 weeks of trad my linework was better on paper

I want to get faster at drawing, but I'm about the worst at timed gesture I think I could possibly even be. It's bad enough that I don't think I even improve by attempting it. What do I do to try and improve my speed that's more fundamental than this?

>>6650735
try setting stroke limits for yourself

>>6650738
wdym?

>>6650735
>It's bad enough that I don't think I even improve by attempting it.
bad mindset, just do it and you'll get better

how to conquer videogame addiction so this stops feeling like a chore

>>6650741
play drawing video games
or heroin

>>6650743
>play drawing video games
name some besides scribblenauts, sounds fun

>>6650739
i haven't tried it myself, something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAY5N76VP8M&t=263s

Reference observation study I did yesterday.

>>6647802
I tried to work on my perspective and spent more time on this drawing. I think the hexagon thingy's shadow is fucked.

>>6650735
Gesture is an unironic beg trap and I have no idea why every course leads with it.

does this style of colouring have appeal? I really cannot tell if it looks passable as what I’m going for or just trashy. I’ve never painted black or silky textures before either

>>6650774
>gesture beg trap
PYW

>>6650774
>>6650779
hes right the gesture is the start of a drawing but it shouldnt be the start of a beg's journey. to do a proper gesture you need to be an expert in proportion, anatomy, and perspective. and you also dont know if your gesture is good or not until you use to to compelte a drawing so beggers would never be able to analyze how useful their gestures are

>>6650785
>you need to be an expert in proportion, anatomy, and perspective
No. Gesture is very easy.

>>6650024
tried resketching this for funsies, lol

>>6650776
Could be reallly good if you learn the difference between hard and soft shadows, also exaggerate your values more

>>6650794
Gesture is easy to those who know what they're doing. It's impenetrable to beginners.

For starters, beginners can't recreate what they see accurately, and haven't wrapped their heads around concrete 3D forms. Gesture asks them to go beyond both of those skills, and *distill* what they see and represent it with *abstract* 3D forms.

>>6650811
>>6650794
Gesture is easy. Stop lying to yourself.

im so tired of reading books

>>6650818
stop reading and just draw from life loser

>>6650822
hasn't worked
books are my only hope now

if people saw how bad my ability to draw lines even remotely close to where I want them to go they would think I have a physical disability

>>6650818
>>6650822
>>6650826
Why not both? You read for the knowledge and draw to apply that knowledge. It's called learn to draw. Why it's so hard with you guys? Laziness? Lack of creativity, wit?

>>6650835
For me it's laziness and the fact I've wanted to do this for years but never bothered because it seemed so intimidating. I'm finally starting to take this seriously and I'm freaked out because I want to do a good job after romanticizing the idea of "being an artist" for so long. I keep reminding myself I'm new but it feels different than other things I've attempted for the first time and I'm not sure why other than the idea of just simply taking so long to get started being there.

>>6650835
ive fried my brain on instant gratification.

>>6650844
this, it's a problem nobody wants to talk about because how the fuck do you fix it

>>6650811
Gesture isn't easy, it will never be. That's the point that you are failing to get, it's not about perfection. That's also the reason begs should do it, so they don't get stilted poses, or can only draw after measuring for half an hour, you know, bad habits that can develop if the beg only study construction and measuring.

>>6650840
>simply taking so long to get started being there.
It took 1-2 years top to start making passable art with decent anatomy. Everyone sucks when they start drawing.
>>6650844
There are fixes for that. Human brain is an amazing thing.

>>6650844
Fasting and meditation will fix you right up.
Nothing like seeing an addict squirm and scream until they are back to baseline.
>t. Ex fatty who would fast for weeks.

>>6650797
Are you using ref

>>6650876
1-2 years top... Damn half this board is ngmi. Sadly that includes me

long time lurker, recent posting in the last few months, but haven't ever tried to get critique

i've never done many studies or anything, i just draw but i've been trying more seriously within the past year. i think i have issues with proportion and i try to cover up mistakes with stylization and never putting a lot of time into one drawing

pic related is no references, i feel like i can draw individual parts of the human body well, but when i try to draw a full character it all just looks like dog shit, any advice for that or any tips just based off this page?

>>6650911
not /beg/ get outta here nigga

>>6650911
Push yourself to draw figures from life.

I CAN'T DRAW FACES. NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL.
FUCK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>6650911
Hands and feet are bad imo
>>6650914
crab

>>6650921
how is it crab, it's a compliment

>>6650440
idris elba?

>>6650923
>get outta here
Weird complement

>>6650920
use a ref

>>6650920
Breedable

>>6650920
hot mannequin

I’m honestly a bit disheartened by this.

>>6650934
That's how my before and afters looked too until I stopped drawing for an hour once a year.

>>6650934
draw 3 hours a day minimum

>>6650934
Seeing this kind of shit makes me internally scream like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSuYWdn61_o

I imagine myself years from now still afraid of showing my sketchbooks, still hating myself too much to call myself an artist, a illustrator, a draftsman, anything!
Still doubting every single stroke, every single colour pick, every single pose and every single theme.
Hearing the crazy shit the pros with actual talent and skill talk about like reflected light, hues, shadows and other crazy mumbo jumbo that I can't even begin to comprehend and hopelessly think I never will.
I don't want to end up like this guy. Never.

>>6650928
You think I havent? I have even tried to trace it and it only comes out worse.

>>6650948
Can I get a quick rundown on this guy?

>>6650934
Should be 1 or 2 months not years. He draw 5 or 10 pictures per year top.

>>6650949
fuck

>>6650952
Knock yourself out.
https://www.artstation.com/santalahti

>>6650955
>posts a new piece every day
he's already mogging me

>>6650935
>>6650953
This was true until about November 2022 when I started drawing a few hours a week, and then a few more in January 2023.
>>6650937
I have been doing 1-2 hours daily since about mid March 2023, but I don’t feel like I’ve been challenging myself enough. I will try 3 hours and see if I can maintain it.
Also, not to make an excuse, but I did find I am better at more painterly methods of everyday objects as opposed to line drawings of anime girls. Pic related, it’s from the end of March 2023. My friends seem to like it more when I do the anime girls though, so I go back and forth. I think it’s hurting the rate of my gains in both areas though.

>>6650949
try again

Finished this one

>>6650991

>>6650801
Thank you anon, I’ll do some research on those topics and try using reference.

>>6650985
sauce pls

>>6650053
>>6650059
>>6650249
>>6650638
>>6650752
>>6650920
>>6650934

>>6650994

My copy exercise, thoughts? I feel like i copy better than my actual drawing skill

>>6650501
Based

>>6650715
>>6650719
>>6650733
Is screenless really that bad? I'm using one and have no problem making strokes, but can't circles for shit. I think I just lack practice, though
>>6650723
>Everyone else can draw
Less than 10% of the population can draw, anon

>>6650859
>can only draw after measuring for half an hour,
Literally me. Can gesture drawing save me?

>>6651000
you can always overlap the layers and check

>>6651002
Hating screenless is pure cope. I find them much easier to use than screen tablets. An inability to work with one is a skill issue.

>>6651010
It’s definitely better for my back considering I can sit it in my lap and sit straight to look at the screen.

>>6651002
>Is screenless really that bad?
NO LOL
>but can't circles for shit
try different types of grip

my accuracy and control improved after changing the way I hold my pen

>>6650995
What the fu k you on about nigga? Thst I shouldnt evrn try to apply colour before my lines stop being dogshit?

>>6650985
I will once I come back from the gym. Heavy iron makes the frustration go away.

>>6651002
>Screenless tablet is le bad
I think screenless tablet are surperior to screened one. Using screened tablet proves that you have no imagination imo.
>Everyone can draw
Everyone can draw. They can draw well or badly, and everyone can get good at drawing.

Asanagi hips study, seeing in 3D helps like you wouldnt believe

>>6650995
unironically what the FUCK did he mean by this

>>6651020
>>6651030
The anon who posted this >>6650995 think that your painting/shading/use of colors suck, and he wants you guys to focus on learning to draw first. Drawing is more than just linework. By getting good at drawing you will get good at painting natually.

>>6651030
min 47:18
https://youtu.be/k0ufz75UvHs?t=2838
drawing >>>> painting

>>6651039
painting is more funny :)

>>6650797
no just moving shit where it looks right

HOLY SHIT
AHHH
LEGS AND FEET ARE HARD
>(When actually trying to draw in perspective)
Holy shit

>>6650927
He was literally telling him that that guy is too good for /beg/ and should go somewhere else

>>6650911
And yeah I agree, this is obviously above the level of most people here, hands and feet are quick quick but its appealing

>>6651063
>not /beg/
>get out of /beg/ now
>what are you doing? dabbing on us /beg/lets
>you are a beg larper
>don't encourage it.
>etc.
I used to recieve comments like that and they triggered the living shit out of me.

>>6651016
>try different types of grip
>my accuracy and control improved after changing the way I hold my pen
I'm using a huion and my grip is shit because every time I angle it, my pressure completely disappears and it starts skipping lines. Buying a wacom to see if it fixes the issue, but fucker on ebay wont send me my item

>>6651016
idk i literally have more time in digital than trad and pencil and paper will always be easier than screenless for me

>>6651077
call em up

>>6651025
how do I see in 3D??
>inb4 feel the form
yeah but HOW

>>6651025
Tips for seeing in 3D for an absolute niggercattle?

>>6650985
>>6650920
Kept polishing the huge log of shit to no avail.
How to get started with faces? Every single attempt comes out like suicide fuel.

>>6650995
Based Ingres.

>>6651020
>>6651030
>>6651039
I think the problem that Sycra (and many others) often misinterpret the concept of painting is that they assume that "anything that involves laying down value/tone/color" belongs to this realm. And while this is a true to a certain extent, Ingres' quote refers to the fact that back when people trained under a master artist/studied at the big boy institutions, they were rarely allowed to touch paint until they demonstrated a specific level of proficiency at drawing (depicting objects, casts, human figures with line and value) with charcoal, after which they'd slowly allow students to paint with limited color palettes and eventually open the flood gates to the complete color range.

Rendering in B&W is meant to act as a foundation to train your eye to see/control value, a thing that rightfully belongs to the act of drawing, You could be autistic and say that the fact that you're laying down tone should be seen as "painting" but I see that as a misnomer.

TL;DR: Sycra & Ingres are right on the fact that drawing is the foundation of painting but the former is doing a disservice by saying that you should forget about painting (assuming he includes grayscale B&W stuff) until you've got the other concepts down. Even the act of rendering primitive shapes with Black and white (done right) is beneficial down the road.

>>6651083
pencil really is based

Please for the love of god I am begging you with tears running down my eyes and a knot in my throat.
Teach me how to draw faces.
I can't.
I can't lie down the marks or shit at all.
NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING COMES OUT RIGHT.

I am just tired of slaving away on something that just keeps getting worse and worse and worse the more I try.

>>6651120
i just draw a mii

>>6651120
Can you even draw simple volumes from observation?

>>6651120
stop using construction and learn to copy accurately. only then you may go back to construction.

>>6651126
Good advice

>>6651118
Why not using both pencil and digital? They have their own pros and cons.

>>6651093
tacobell, ey?

>>6651113
Just hide it like you did the hands and feet.

>>6650329
What is it with this board and shilling books, specifically keys to drawing? I tried that motherfucker and got totally lost, what the fuck are you meant to get out of it?

>>6650565
>>6650644
faggot.

>>6650294
Maybe if you're a fucking retard. Imagine living in a third world shithole and not making art that sells for 100 bucks a pop, which is 20 monthly salaries in said shithole. You'd have to be a retard to complain about how difficult it is making an art career in a third world shithole when literally all you have to do is make some shitty hentai and make muttmericans pay for it. But for some fucking reasons seaniggers just love to drag the rest of us down, kill the market value of digital and sell their shit for 2 bucks instead, fucking retards.

>>6651150
>get filtered
>baby raging
>blame book
Teach observation and how to draw what you see.

>>6650744
Play Pass Partout. The second one.

>>6650776
Gonna be honest it has that typical beg-ness look to it which stems from not knowing how to properly render light and materials.

>doing drawabox because its the only thing that actually manages to get me to draw
>haven't done 50/50 rule because I dont know exactly what to do for just free drawing
Is that fine? I mean, its meant to just stop burn out right? I haven't been feeling that I don't think.

>>6650914
Are you blind and fucking retarded?

>>6651165
nigger I was told to use it as an absolute beginner, if its for people who dont know jack shit about drawing then why the fuck can you even be """filtered""" by it?
>Teach observation and how to draw what you see.
What??????

>>6651023
>Using screened tablet proves that you have no imagination imo.
How the fuck does that make any sense, you dumb nigger?

>>6651170
You are indeed filtered by it. Reading with out understanding.

>>6651126
This. It's honestly infuriating the amount of bullshit that gets thrown around here and it leads to pre/begs/ trying to learn anatomy construction when they can't even accurately copy a single line. I just copied random shit as a kid and now as a 30 year old who only got back into drawing a few weeks ago I'm already better than 99% of this board just by having that observational ability locked in. And no I will not pmw, not looking to get shit on because I claimed I'm better than everyone else (learn hyperbole). Believe me, don't believe me, whatever. I'll just keep improving my linework, anatomy and rendering while crabniggers continue to seethe and learn 'gesture' without knowing how to pick up a pencil or WHY they're even trying to learn gesture/construction/etc in the first place.

>>6651172
Now tell me why the fuck it would be recommended to someone like me then? Thats the question after all. How the fuck is a total beginner like me meant to """"understand"""" it?

>>6650794
>>6650816
>gesture is very easy
>I still can't make a good gesture drawing
ITS JOEVER

>>6651175
>how do I understand words
the absolute state of /ic/

Most if not all begs in this thread would benefit HUGELY from just straight up copying tons of good art for the first 2 years of their art journey AT LEAST. This is literally the secret to drawing well, and something that construction/gesturefags will never understand because they can't fucking do it. Develop observational ability first and THEN you can use that skill to learn anatomy and how to actually draw shit yourself. Wanna know why you never read this in your dumb drawing books? Because if the book starts with "spend 2 years purely copying other works and pay attention to the shapes and lines" nobody would buy the fucking book.

Basically, this: >>6651173

>>6651180
Most retarded post Ive seen
>skip building the foundation and supports and just make the building out of drywall

>>6651177
It's easy. Flow like a river, give a sense of motion

To be honest I don’t really understand why so many people here do so poorly. Tradfags I can understand because they don’t have access to a lot of digital tools. But I don’t really understand how anyone using a tablet cannot even align the basic features of the face correctly. If you can’t make your hand draw the lines in the right place originally, use the warp and selection tools? Can begs really just not tell when the face looks really wrong? I get not picking up on more subtle errors or not being able to illustrate the features of the face in a way that’s palatable - but placing / aligning them wrong? What’s going on? Are they stupid?

>>6651150
nta but

just watch videos
literally fucking just watch proko
that book is indeed doesn't age well but you bitching about it doesn't help yourself

>>6651181
Fucking retard. Pyw now or shut the fuck up. You know nothing about art. Nobody claimed to 'stop building a foundation', your observational ability literally is your fucking foundation. Without observation you will never draw something appealing. Have fun in your crab bucket, nigger. No skin off my teeth.

>>6651184
It's just what happens when retards take advice from >>6651181
instead of >>6651180 and >>6651173

>>6651184
>how do I read
>how do I draw
>how sucky am I
>X is too hard for beginner
>Y is also a beg trap
Lazy and stupid zoomers who would whine 24/7.

>>6651183
PYFW

>>6651189
Post Your Finished Works? But we are talking about gesture. It's easy.

>>6651186
this one is mine >>6651069

>>6651190
PYFW

>>6651194
>>6651189
Someone is big mad huh??

>>6651192
And it fucking sucks. Post your reference for that image so we can all laugh at you. Literally nothing about that image is appealing, and it all stems from your lack of observational ability. I wouldn't be an asshole about it if it weren't for the fact that you were shitting on good advice and then it suddenly becomes apparent that you're dogshit, proving my point entirely.

>>6651179
TELL ME. IM "READING BUT NOT UNDERSTANDING". TELL ME HOW TO.

>>6651183
Fucking how? You call it easy and just say shit, but how? How the fuck do you "flow like a river"? What the fuck is any of that?

>>6651198
Ignore gestureniggers and just copy to improve your observation. Notice how gestureniggers never have finished art they want to share.

>>6651184
They (as in me) dont know what looks right in most angles, its guesswork for the most part.

>>6651196
I used this one for my reference

>>6651197
Are you the type to have trouble reading textbooks anon? Serious question

>>6651180
>>6651173
All of art education is people who've been drawing their whole lives not understanding the things that beginners struggle with, because they either never went through that phase, went through it at the same time as there physical faculties were developing apace, or plain just don't remember.

>>6651198
Ask for Vilppu Gesture course the OLD one when is still "young", not the academy one. He compares drawing gesture with river flow.

>>6651203
Faggot I can read words, i'm not illiterate. He said im ""reading but not understanding"". What the fuck does that mean? Why can no one give me an answer?

>>6651202
You use beginner references? Lol. Ngmi. And it shows in your "art".

>>6651200
Said the nigger who can't understand the easiest thing in the world and post nothing :)

>>6651211
Where did you get lost in the book? What did he say that didn't make sense?

>>6651195
say the ones who won’t post their work

>>6651200
>improve your observation.
oookaayyy, now how do I do that?
>>6651206
yes i've seen the old man ive seen him draw shit and turn random lines into full figures within seconds like a wizard, I havent seen the old course but i'd hazard a guess he's going to tell me to "just do it", something like "feel the flow" or whatever, like he always does.
BUT HOW DO I DO THAT?

>>6651215
I dont remember man, its been a while since I tried it. I do remember thinking that both that book and the right side of the brain one just babble on about nonsense without getting to any real points.

>>6651212
whats a beginner reference? I use real models for reference almost every time but I saw that image browsing on /k/ and I thought it would be good to make a sketch of it

>>6651216
Shut up no draw nigger. Imagine being so stupid that you can't get gesture. NGMI.

>>6651218
>oookaayyy, now how do I do that?
Literally just copy art from artists you admire. Try to choose established artists and not some degen seanig furry artist on twitter. Do this and only this for even a few months and you will notice rapid improvement. Don't listen to the schizo telling beginners that have barely every picked up a pencil to learn gesture and anatomy, that's like trying to sprint before you can walk.

>>6651218
Read Dorien Iten

Ignore crabs, especially gesture crabs. Just practice the stuff in there until it's second nature.

>>6651220
If you can't see how utterly /beg/ your reference image is, it just proves my point even further. I sincerely hope nobody takes you seriously, and I hate that this board is full of retards like you who stunt the growth of other learning artists because you can't cope with how shit your art is after all this time.

>>6651223
>Read Dorien Iten
NTA, is that yet another book? is there any god damn art resource that is not a book? holy shit man i cant use them, no focus.

>>6651221
Someone is big mad huh??

>>6651226
It's like a five page PDF. I believe in you.

>>6651222
>Try to choose established artists and not some degen seanig furry artist on twitter.
I dont know many artists and the only ones I do know are degen furry artists on twitter that I happen to follow.

>>6651230
I'd tell you to browse artstation, but it's become an unusable shithole of untagged AI.

>>6651226
>no focus
This is literally what I've been preaching here since forever. DONT DO THE FUCKING BOOKS. Just copy established artists, do this for however long you can without getting tired of it. For people like you (and me) it's also way easier to do then to follow a course or a book because it's very straightforward, you just look and try to copy as best you can. You WILL improve rapidly by doing this. Drawing books are a complete meme for /begs/, use them when you're /int/.

>>6651228
PYW first then I'll post mine. That's the rule right?

>>6651226
good god imagine being this retarded

>>6651185
>literally fucking just watch proko
alright what one. Which one is gonna get me off my ass to actually start drawing things I like?

>>6651225
You lose.

>>6651236
Okay retard, have fun making trash "art" for years on end. I couldn't give less of a fuck what a crabnigger like you does with their life.

>>6651229
sorry onon I was assuming based on the word 'read' and the fact we're on /ic/ where everyone and their mothers shill books.
>>6651234
i am sorry i cant focus on books. maybe you guys can find some people another type of resource if you care so much about people learning.
>>6651232
>Just copy established artists
like who?

>>6651223
>Why don't you read X
shill

>>6651233
I'm not the person who first replied to you. Someone asked you an innocuous question and you started fucking seething for no reason, kek.

>>6651238
There’s entire threads with art books and video courses, what else do you need man??

>>6651238
Anon, stop posting and go download the pdf, and then start practicing. You're spinning your wheels here.

>>6651238
>like who?
Nigger how do I know? I don't know what you like, what you wanna draw etc. Are you a 5 year old child? Just look up artists you like the look of ffs. Just make sure they aren't trash, it's not that difficult.

>>6651240
>I'm not the peron who replied to you
lel. Kys troon.

>>6651243
Lel. Still mad.

>>6651245
>get btfo
>taking in 3rd person
It's OK. I won't hurt you any more.

>>6651240
>art books
no.
>video courses.
must've missed them, apologies.
>>6651241
yeah yeah, just a second.
>>6651242
anon, i dont know what i want to draw either. not at the moment anyway, i have my goals, but wont be able to draw them right now.
>Just make sure they aren't trash, it's not that difficult.
anon. i am in /beg/. yet i genuinely enjoy most of the art posted here, how am i supposed to know what is and isnt 'trash'? what should and shouldn't be copied? i dont exactly have the experience or knowledge.

Why does gesture consistently bring out the grumpiest crabs?

>>6651183
I tried that 'flow like a river' nonsense for shits and gigs, there were no gigs. I cant fucking do it.
If you dont have any actual advice thats usable im going to go copy shit like the other anon said.

>>6651248
>anon, i dont know what i want to draw either.
You must have some idea. Otherwise what is the point? What is your goal? If you like anime drawings, study shit like ASK or Modare. If you like landscape paintings, study Andrew Tischler. like fuck dude, are you even able to put your pants on by yourself? Come on now, this is getting ridiculous.

>>6651250
Because all you people fucking tell us is ""just do it"" and ""feel the flow"", something something river. None of it makes any sense for people trying to do gesture.

>>6651250
>https://youtu.be/-ktfwayByRU
Gesture is the GMI filter. People who can draw gesture are GMI. Crabs who can't draw gesture tell people to read obscure books they found on the library.

>>6651252
i said i have my goals, didn't i? i just dont like attempting them because they aren't presentable, not even to an anonymous imageboard. i suppose i could find artists on the topic, but again, what should and shouldn't be copied? what is and isn't 'trash' here?

>>6651255
>Gesture is the GMI filter. People who can draw gesture are GMI.

This is like saying realistic shading is the GMI filter. It's true, but it doesn't actually convey any useful information, and it's not a beginner's first skill.

>>6651251
>>6651252
>>6651254
I expect you to watch the Vilppu clip not basing the whole thing on a fucking sentence that I typed in 5 seconds. NGMI lazy faggots.

>>6651257
You can't draw gesture and it's OK. You can learn it later :)

>>6651256
Draw from real life. Copy art later, if you can't pick any now.

Crabs, all of you.

>>6651261
>t. untalented faggot who got overwhelmed by reading suggestions.

>>6651255
>Proko
Proko treats gesture like a stylized piece. His course isn't for total beginners, which he's even admitted on a podcast.

>>6651260
draw what, from real life? we're getting nowhere here.

>>6651263
Filtered by gesture

>>6651264
Anything. You cannot pick wrong. Copying a bad artist might teach bad habits, but you can't pick a badly formed real object.

If you're just artificially stalled out of stubbornness, pick something on your desk that you can draw in 5 minutes.

>>6651258
>The Vilppu clip
You mean the older one that was meantioned to me? Tell me i'm wrong first. Tell me he doesn't say some shit like "just do it" or "feel the flow". Tell me he actually DOES provide something I can follow for once. And be truthful. Then i'll go try to find the clip you're talking about.

The /beg/ thread is full of retards who can't draw gesture LOL.

>>6651270
He spent 2 hours to show you how to draw the videos is like 4 hours long with 2 hours practice.

>>6651268
>pick something on your desk that you can draw in 5 minutes.
well, its going to take a LOT longer than that, ive never drawn anything under 20mins. but sure, ive got a bottle here.

>>6651271
You try explaining it then.
>>6651272
Sure. I can watch him work some magic all day and form random lines into figures. How do I learn from that?

>>6651275
So you are the reatarded troll who made these "how to draw" threads. KYS bitch. I don't care about you.

>>6651271
Its just some guy samefagging

>>6651277
I have never made a thread here. I occasionally post in /beg/ and rarely even look at the rest of the catalog. Shut the fuck up and tell me how to do the thing.

>I can't draw GESTURE lol.
>I'll just call the ones who can CRABS instead of learning to draw those wacky figures

>Imma tell people to read books that I found on a yard sale LOL.
>Giving advice while drawing like shit make me feel powerful

Gesture is a fucking meme, you don't need it if you don't intend to draw a lot of retarded poses for american comic books

>>6651298
>translation: I cant draw gesture, so I am going to cope.
Pin up anime girl poses need gesture too faggot. Look at CuteSexyRobutt art. Gesture to the brink. Super soft and sensual.

>>6651304
Hey I get it, keep secrets to yourself, right? Every artist for themselves, right? Dont help the competition right? Makes sense.

But for the love of god. How the fuck do you do it?

>>6651298
Then what do you want to draw? Portraits?

>>6651241
>download the pdf, and then start practicing.
i must have gotten the wrong one, was accuracy the one i was meant to download? its the first one on the site, but what am i meant to get out of it? what am i practicing?

>>6651314
You draw what you want without adding some imaginary bullshit to it

>>6651311
Every fucking art course has a gesture lesson. There are hundreds of tutorials on youtube. Litterally watch one of them? and practice doing so? Why are you asing baby questions?
>https://youtu.be/sSzB3ESpfE0
>https://youtu.be/ApyH98uufXg

>>6651319
>You draw what you want without adding some imaginary bullshit to it
Cope.

>>6651273
Literally me

>>6651298
Gesture is good for any kind of character or figure drawing, cartoony or otherwise.

It's just that it's a tool for creating expressive and non-stiff poses. Beginners don't need that tool yet, until they're at the phase of "can draw a figure, but it's stiff and unexpressive". It requires lots of other skills, seeing accurately and distilling visual information and comfort laying in 3D forms, that beginners need to acquire as groundwork first. You learn the basics, then the advanced steps that deepen them, not the other way around.

>>6651317
>what am i practicing?
Accuracy.

>>6651320
So here's what usually happens with me.
>watch one of these videos to the end
>'wtf none of that made sense'
>try it anyway
>post it
>"no you're doing it wrong"
>'how am i doing it wrong?'
>"just feel the flow bro, like a river bro."
>"but how?"
>no response
and then later I understandably ask again, some asshole shows some videos doing the exact same thing, and the cycle repeats.

But at least these ones specifically I haven't seen before. Maybe these will help me actually do it right for once.

>>6651326
suppose just combine it with the drawing from life from before? i dont want to make those glasses though (nor do i even have the materials right now)

>>6651329
Nah the glasses are meme, just treat them like states of mind instead.

>>6651319
So we shouldn't draw with lines, because they are imaginary bullshit, nor should we use the perspective system, because it's imperfect and we all see in curvelinear perspective, so it's imaginary bullshit.
In fact, we should just take a picture.

>>6651327
There is no algoritm for it, anon.
Maybe you should focus on copying for now? That can also be very hard, when you're starting out, but it's simple in the sense that you can clearly see what you're supposed to be doing.

>>6651327
Anon, how long are you stuck in gesture? Do you do figure drawing regularly? Proko(which most here would point to learn gesture) says that you should move on after one week, that maybe another element of figure drawing will help you understand gesture, but you shouldn't stop doing gesture, you will get it... Eventually.

>>6651337
Theres that comic again. Forgot to include that but its a common player as well. Whats the point there? They still didnt teach the guy how to do the thing he wanted to do. They said 'just do it' without being helpful. Why is this thing so commonplace for people who are trying to understand shit?

I'll refrain from overanalyzing /ic/'s thought patterns. I'll try and find something I want to copy and go from there (which is what I said i'd do hours ago too)

>>6651337
This is basically the whining no draw beginner faggot we are trying to help. Talking to him is like talking to a merry go round.

>>6651337
dont even bother with ngmi pre/begs/

>>6651346
Holy shit you are both a dumb and annoying faggot. Just stop. Learn to prompt AI.

>>6651346
>Why is this thing so commonplace for people who are trying to understand shit?
Experts make terrible teachers. This is true of all walks of life.

>>6651345
>Anon, how long are you stuck in gesture?
I dont exactly focus on it but it comes up occasionally.
>Do you do figure drawing regularly?
nope. No idea how. I'm >>6651168 doing those exercises. I just was told that it's important, and that guy from way earlier saying it was piss easy brought it up so i tried again.
>>6651347
oh, buddy. Im sorry I cant understand it. Did you immediately get it when you were a beginner?
>>6651351
tried that. cant really come up with much there. surprised there isnt a random prompt generator honestly

>Be me
>Artist, like to see what the begs are doing
>Wake up and go to /beg
>Thread has more than 250 post in less than a day
>holyshit.png
>It's all some fag hating on gesture and others arguing with him

>>6651360
I really blame Proko for a lot of this. He openly treats gesture as an art form and style unto itself, and then people watch his videos while trying to learn how to do it as a beginner.

>>6651360
Nice propaganda. That's not an artwork though.

>>6651362
Im the one asking questions and trying to do it, theres another fag just shitting on it entirely. Its at least 2

>>6651364
>>6651360
>transIation: can't draw gestures so I'll bring everyone down to my level.

>>6651368
You cannot even define it

>>6651373
I can fucking draw it nigga. Gesture is the body movement. It's not my problem that you can't see it.

>>6651346
>Whats the point there?
A man who doesn't know how to pet a dog is an absurd concept, and I find the comic funny because of that.
It also illustrates some parts of your problem - to the woman, petting a dog is intuitive and obvious, and he's unable to explain it to the man, or even understand why the man is asking for an explanation. You just pet the dog. Likewise, most people can figure out gesture drawing without needing a point-by-point guide on how to do it, which means that they don't actually have a point-by-point guide. Maybe it's possible to explain it, just like it would probably be possible to explain how to pet a dog, but it's a much harder problem than they expected when they started replying to you. And so you're sitting on that park bench and crying, having learned nothing, and everyone is mad at you for wasting their time.

>I'll try and find something I want to copy
How about you stop making excuses and just draw the woman swinging from a cloth?

>>6651361
>No idea how to figure draw
Go to line of action or watch some figure drawing sessions on YouTube, you basically try to draw lots of poses in 30 seconds, then a minute, then 2, then 5. The first ones are going to suck ass, but the last ones will give you time to do something with it. Also, you should take all advice from here with a grain of salt.

>>6651360
>NGMI crab posting mis-information
I can see gesture. You can't. Cope, Seethe, Dial8

>>6651198
just practice observing and duplicating angles in the model. like see how the spine of the model is curved but then you straighten it?

>>6651384
And I can hear voices in my head. You just drew an outline with few extra lines.

>>6651180
i was a construction fag for a year and i started grinding copies this year and i feel like its really helped me out

>>6651177
nta
learn to copy, you can't even get the proportions right

>>6651380
Rriiigghhhtt. So how am I going to learn it, then? If its intuitive to them, but not me, and people can only do it intuitively, how do I work with that?
>How about you stop making excuses and just draw the woman swinging from a cloth?
Jesus christ I keep getting torn left and right. Do this, dont do it, draw gesture its so easy, no dont do copying instead, are you telling me to go back to the gesture again?
>>6651381
Isnt that just gesture. Quickposes does the same shit.
>Also, you should take all advice from here with a grain of salt.
Yeah I know this is /beg/. I just dont know anywhere else.

>>6651386
Cope harder bitch. I am going to copy some more Bridgman and get some gain. Keep on seething and stay beg.

>>6651396
>>6651384
You are like the textbook definition of a crab.

>>6651385
>like see how the spine of the model is curved but then you straighten it?
I drew. A curve. What the fuck do you mean I straightened it.
>>6651390
>watch a proko video
>""dont focus too hard on the contour, just draw the movement"" (paraphrasing)
>here
>get the proportions right 4head
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

>>6651399
Don't watch Proko. His videos are aimed at intermediates, and he himself has said as much.

The correct way is to draw boxes in gestures

>>6651401
whhhh then why the fuck do people here keep recommending his videos

>>6651404
Because they're at a higher level than you, and can't understand your current struggles.

>>6651398
Telling people that you are wrong for posting this >>6651360 is not a crab. You are a crab for spreading mis-information. I just simply state the fact that gesture is very useful.
Cope, Seethe, Dial8

>>6651394
>are you telling me to go back to the gesture again?
No, I'm telling you to just draw a copy of the same image.

>>6651398
Nah, he's drawing. A crab pulls you to his level, to keep you from leaving the bucket. He's pushing you down from above, to a lower level than him.

>>6651394
>Isn't that gesture
No, you don't need a time limit to draw gesture. You should do these figure drawing sessions pretty regularly on your level, seek feedback on some of the drawings and try to study and implement them in the next one.

>>6651411
>No, you don't need a time limit to draw gesture.
Oohh man, i think I had them backwards then.
So I just try and copy the picture as best I can in that amount of time?

>>6651387
>>6651177
1st accuracy is the abc
2nd perspective/construction are the syllable
3rd you combine both to create words
https://streamable.com/cm1d7h
https://streamable.com/vzhxk8

>>6651399
>>""dont focus too hard on the contour, just draw the movement"" (paraphrasing)
>too hard
he never say to skip proportions, just not too hard
https://youtu.be/K_YSxO5ojls?t=21
learn to copy,until become second nature, so you can get 80-90% of the proportions right even if you dont measure all the parts

>>6651337
I fucking love this comic, kek. Literally every /beg/ itt.

for the urabe anon :^)

>>6651360
>every pre/beg/ seething at this meme edit of a meme image
I wonder what the collective IQ of this thread is. Can't be more than 2 digits.

>>6651413
>learn to copy
Thats another 'just do it' sort of thing but I suppose it'll just be from practice.

>>6651384
>he thinks his dumb lines will make him draw better
Kek-ing @ your life rn.

>>6651419
Still seething I see. Sad.

>>6651420
No, just pointing out the fact that I have never seen any one of these gesturefags draw something halfway decent. I'll retract my statement once that happens, but I won't hold my breath. 99% of people in this thread just need to fucking copy for a at least a year.

>>6651418
here
3hrs vid about how to copy, what brush to use, what to copy, lvls of copy, etc...take notes so you don't have to watch again
https://youtu.be/dgjx6y6B_G8 (eng subs)

>>6651421
You are in the beg thread you dumb faggot.

>>6651421
There my copy. >>6651144 happy?. You dont need to pyw. I dont want to see shit.

>>6651426
No shit retard, that's exactly why they should learn to fucking copy first.
>>6651428
Great. You're still dogshit. Don't worry, I wasn't planning on it. This entire general is one big /beg/ trap for other /beg/s to pretend like they know what makes a good artist.

>>6651418
Just copy it, anon. Just b yourself and draw. :^)
This time it's easy to iterate on, though. You got the model, whether it's a photo, a drawing or your own left hand. You got the drawing. You can compare the two and find the differences. Then you can try to avoid those mistakes next time.

>>6651430
>Say anything to win an internet argument
Cope harder bitch.

>>6651419
nta
some gestures using the FORCE method
>How do you know that she used the force method?
she mention in one of his stream
https://twitter.com/iamayenoy/status/1520173925124116482
https://twitter.com/iamayenoy/status/1520176319782277120

btw loish also uses the force method

>>6651430

>>6651412
https://youtu.be/Qxv2gayCzVs
(Kek, the link has "gay" on it)
Yeah anon, you can use the figure drawing session to copy as best as possible, in the shortest times, you are basically doing gestures.

>>6651435
>>6651438
Keep coping faggots, doesn't change the fact that you're never gmi. I couldn't give less of a fuck how dogshit your 'art' is, literally do what you want. Perma /beg/ mentality.

>>6651442
>t. the No draw Tranny

>>6651442
KYS tourist. get btfo and start deflecting like a police shield.

>>6651442
>I couldn't give less of a fuck how dogshit your 'art' is
so why are you replying?
you lack self awareness and stop projecting

>>6651443
>>6651444
>>6651446
I keep replying because it pisses permashitters like you off to no end and that's funny to me.

>>6651447
>i am good artist
>i will make it
Keep sniffing copium honey, plus you sound pretty triggered to me, lel

>>6651447
>permashitters
>aka i prefer shitpost instead of drawing
LOL
Concession Accepted

>>6651450
>>6651451
Stay mad, shitters. Your art is dog.

Drawing-larper is MAD bros. We triggered her..

>>6650616
20 minute portrait.

Self assessment: way way too wide (common mistake I struggle with), on top of putting the ear nowhere close to the right place/angle. I really don't understand ears in general, although I think I'm starting to understand *why* I don't understand ears.

I don't even pretend to understand rendering, elementary stuff like literal hatching is still beyond me so I don't care too much about phoning it in for now, although maybe I should figure out something that doesn't hurt my hand so much. Probably won't draw much else today because I'm running a 10k later, but I think I should do some structured perspective stuff tomorrow maybe, instead of just drawing, since the TIEs and my son GONK turned out so askew.

New Bread:
>>6651462
>>6651462
>>6651462

>>6650926
Yup! What can I improve?

>>6651149
Below the belt.

>>6651173
>now as a 30 year old who only got back into drawing a few weeks ago I'm already better than 99% of this board
pyw buddy, and preferably not some shit you copied from someone else

>>6651113
>suicide fuel
i finally have the words to describe my art, thank you anon!

>>6651184
Is there such a thing as over reliance of digital tools that you can't draw on paper?

>>6651120
Keys to drawing. Find those midpoints.