/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I love you so much, constructoid anon

think in 3d

>>6642209
>constructoid anon
are you implying there is other way?

>>6642248
Not another way. I mean "in addition". You're good on construction, but you're no good at proportions or being accurate. If I gave you a drawing to copy, you couldn't copy it properly. And that's a really important part of learning to draw from imagination, well. It's a mistake I made, because Vilppu told me to not copy references. Huge mistake.

Being able to draw accurately is the first step to skill in drawing from imagination. If you can't read, you can't write.

>>6642267
you do realize copying manga references 1:1 won't help you drawing from imagination don't you

if you want to draw "accurately" you might as well trace it instead of measuring things with whatever other tool you can come up with

>>6642045
This is why construction fails miserably. Go study how other artists draw things and copy that. Keep drawing until it looks right. Drawing is not engineering. It is the medium of illusion. Your only job is to trick people into accepting what’s on the page. It doesn’t have to be correct like a math solution. It just has to look right.

>>6642273
your post is completely wrong, but I won't argue

>>6642045
KEK

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>>6642782
damn it's the man himself

>>6642782
Simon, where did you learn to draw the way you do?

>>6642313
>Drawing is not engineering
Interesting comment, but when you begin animating your art it has to be like engineering?

>>6642313
>>6642805
yes but the principles of engineering principles in general mean the "rules and ideas that have to be kept in mind when solving an engineering problem" and engineering problems are problems that can be solved through analysis but that's fucking vague. but the engineering method is one of design so art isn't engineering yes but the rules of engineering can be applied when creating art to create a quality piece. in the step by step process of Idea, Concept, Planning, Design, Development, and launch. Art is not exactly one that requires the engineering method but it improves it by organizing the process of creating it, far more intuitive than doodling on a canvas until an inspiration comes up no?

>>6642273
retard

>>6642828
Art isn't intellectual. Art is feeling. You draw with your soul.

>>6642831
what's the point of a feeling you can't express properly? in this case visually. The feeling itself is the first step of the engineering method which is Idea and the rest goes with the goal of expressing it in visual language. I didn't say that art is intellectual but what I did say was that engineering as a process streamlines and improves artists and you seem to over simplify with
>you draw with your soul
you feel with your soul(Idea), you visualize that feeling with your mind (concept), you plan it with construction, Design and develop the piece within the Sketching process and well once you're done, there's your launch. And that's why I am still correct for finding a middle ground between those 2 anons that art is not engineering but the process of making a piece of art can be improved with engineering

Fuck everything.

>>6642782
he's back?

>>6642831
Those aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, you have to train the technical part to expand the limits of the creative part.

>>6642045
Looks like a gorillaz character

>>6642782
holy based
I'm really enjoying the ghoul with a tonsure

>>6642313
It's not the fault of construction if one doesn't know how to apply it

I wonder why there is such an anti-construction sentiment on this board
Construction is a great technique, it is needed for industrial design and mechanical objects as well as architecture. I'd much rather have it than not. Is it perhaps because it's difficult to apply to the human figure?

<- my work

>>6643037
>I wonder why there is such an anti-construction sentiment on this board
It's literally just one troll who never posts his work

>>6643020
Isn’t that Kappa or whatever is the name of that Japanese mythical creature that shove their arm up your ass and pull your soul out

>>6642782
SIIIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>6643038
I hope you're right
I drew these pictures two years ago I think and posted them on /beg/ and got plenty of praise. I wonder where are the people who were /beg/s with me back then

>>6642045
>I ain't happy, I'm feeling glad

>>6642831
You have a body and soul, the challenge in art and in life is making your body conform to your soul

>>6642782
The man, the myth, the legend
>>6642831
Wrong. Advice like this is no more than a very pleasant sounding, but empty, platitude. No amount of feeling or soul let me be able to construct things from imagination and rotate and move them around. Learning to draw a box using my intellect did. Then I learned to draw that box by intuition, with my feeling.
Steven Zapata put it best in his video Why It's Important To Get Good At Drawing- you learn all the technical skill and knowledge, only to let it sink down into the depths of your subconscious, never to return.
Not to mention that the intellectual side of art is mentally stimulating and exciting, you would be doing yourself a disservice to ignore it.

>>6643065
intuition is not feeling. the feeling is the image you want to convey. you feel like making a happy piece or a sad one? what pose? expression? mood? that are best to communicate whats in your head. personal experiences that can't be taught... kinda... it can be taught through impressionism. Picking colors based on what they feel rather than how they appear. the feeling is "why did you drew it?" the intelect is "how did you drew it?". art is both feeling and intellectual

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>>6642888
I fucking love you guys

>>6642313
Is that ugly ass repulsive drawing supposed to be an example to follow?

>>6642782
I think this lip shape is something I needed to see, thanks
but what is this 3D axis for? to find the jaw angle? am I supposed to draw it practice drawing it?

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>>6642831
BS take.
There's no such thing as a soul. All we create originates in our brain/intellect.

>>6642782
I missed you :')

>>6643206
and your brain is alive
soul = life
those who are dead inside cant harness soul

>>6643219
>soul = life
again with the BS takes?

>>6643065
read what this anon posted and rethink your dumb supernatural beliefs.

just replace "soul" and "feel" with intuition and everything else makes sense
but you do need to consciously use analysis to learn things at first I think

tilt the head a bit so the mouth becomes part of a sphere

>>6643201
Since teal is here, might as well post this

>>6643201
(Cont. from previous)
Teal is using a circle because it’s equidistant to the center of the head, so when you lower the jaw it stays in proportion to how it attaches to the upper skull.
Also the guy really likes perspective, I find.

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>>6644976
nice
seems like a great art teacher

I dread elipses though, incredibly difficult, and getting precision with angles on top of that. I never practiced them. guess the time has come

>>6644982
where do i find more teal's guides cause holy fuck these are helpful

>>6645051
I remember a thread that dumped all of them a while back, try digging through the archives.

>>6645051
NTA but here - https://imgur.com/gallery/8eHzD

>>6644982
Not saying the original was very good but that right arm on the redraw is fucked up, and the hand position of the left misses the whole point of the drawing, I think.

>>6643177
It’s a highly skilled drawing of a repulsive woman. Learn the difference

>>6645147
This one has a few more tutorials added:
https://imgur.com/gallery/WJSIp

I'm thinking of making a third gallery myself since I collected a few more tutorials in real time and in the archives.

>>6645375
I think it's supposed to be an exaggerated arm motion that you see her do by the end of the show and in the movie. It looks weird but it's not outside the human range of motion, just very dynamic and specific.

Dropping what i have of him to celebrate his return

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>>6642782
Something to keep in mind is that the jaw is not simply a hinge joint that moves from a single pivot point, it slides forward on opening
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/articular-disc-tmj-a2c3d9bd82274fa187ee482bbe750d78

>>6642045
You seem to be having trouble because the jaw is too short vertically, which means the point of rotation you’re trying to get at doesn’t fit inside your head.

>>6642045
Looks like one of those shrunken heads Victorian-era British explorers would bring back from their journeys in Africa.

>>6646765
I would like to correct myself here and say it’s the point of articulation, not necessarily rotation

>>6643037
good stuff anon, it looks comfy and i'd live there

>>6646633
>I think it's supposed to be an exaggerated arm motion that you see her do by the end of the show and in the movie. It looks weird but it's not outside the human range of motion, just very dynamic and specific.
It’s not, you’re right, but when throwing a punch people tend to use their non punching arm to line up the shot, and keep the palm facing down. That’s why I said the redraw misses the point of the original.