/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6641917
Amazing OP pic. First time my work gets put in the OP lol.

blackpill me on Burne Hogarth

Cubes help alot with drawing faces in different angles and perspective damn FUCK loomis I'm a cube chad now

>>6641927
People who don't know better may be turned off by his exaggerated figures, but he taught many successful comic artists who give him a lot of praise as an artist, instructor and inspiration. If you wanna draw dynamic, exaggerated, muscle-bound figures like he did in the Tarzan comics, he's not a bad choice.

>In 1947, he co-founded the School of Visual Arts in which he passed his unique methods of illustration on to his students. In 1958, he wrote and illustrated the first of many art books: Dynamic Anatomy. His anatomy and drawing books have become standard references for artists of every style.

>After more than 20 years away from strip work and being hailed in Europe as "the Michelangelo of the comic strip," Hogarth returned to sequential art in 1972 with his groundbreaking Tarzan of the Apes followed by Jungle Tales of Tarzan adapted from the Burroughs novels of the same name. These were large format hardbound books published by Watson Guptill in 11 languages. It marked the beginning of what became to be known as the graphic novel format.

>He did just about everything a comic strip artist can do, and lived long enough to receive the recognition he deserved. He was president of the National Cartoonists Society, founder of the School of Visual Arts in New York City, and exhibited in one-man shows all over the world, including the Louivere in Paris. It may be that Europeans are more demonstrative than Americans, but the French and Italians lavished more honours on him than did his own country men. There is an old Chinese proverb which states: "He who stands still goes backwards." Hogarth never stood still.

>>6641917
What does ‘beg gate’ mean? Are you saying the art in OP pic is bad? Because to me none of those look /beg/.

>>6641963
you must brave the desolate hellscape of drawing random shit before you can enter (exit?) the beg gate and start drawing anime girls with massive honkers

>>6641940
same

>>6641925
*FIST BUMP*

>>6641917
Questions
How am I supposed to learn from books?
For how long I should practice each fundamental?
I want to draw my own porn and jerk off alone in my room to my drawings. Any artists(preferably japanese) that I should look up to/get inspiration?

Monochrome shading and practicing lines

>>6641964
Are you implying the anime girl is higher skill than the alien and fauci? Because I hard disagree

>>6641979
not that anime girl specifically

>>6629598

>>6641964
Unironically you’d learn more overall from drawing the bottom drawings than the top though. I almost never see clean rendering on this board like the ones on the bottom.

>>6641953
hh brother

>>6641994
that's what i'm saying

>>6641984
gonna be honest I thought that white spiky ear fluff part whatever you wanna call it was a big ol' nose in the thumbnail

>>6641996
I’m learning to draw anime girls as we speak lol (I drew the unfinished alien). But I have a tendency to over-render because of my trad background.

how do i paint

>>6642000
Someone post the dog comic please

>>6641978
gmi

>>6641997
it really does look like it

>>6642016
oy vey

>>6642000

>>6642095
That's lovely. The lower left one's eye and ear placement looks wrong however.

>>6642098
Can you pyw? I have an inkling I want to test out.

>>6642098
The orig. Having downward going wrapping curve for a face feature placement is still a bit hard to copy for me.

>>6641978
Good work anon, if you are practicing lines, shouldn't you pick a brush that has more size variation?
>>6641966
So... It's just Loomis with boxes instead of spheres? Like, you are still divinding the head into thirds, getting a side plane and using the middle third to find the ear. I don't see that much of a difference.

>>6641997
>>6642016

>>6642116
How do you mean? I'm using a gpen brush that gets thicker with more pressure.
Maybe saying lines isn't accurate, more that i'm trying to draw lines with confidence and with consistent pressure, i'm pretty new to having a tablet to draw on desu

>>6642057
just a warning, the eye of the painter by loomis is not a good book. it’s not instructions or anything, just essays.

>>6642155
i wonder if anyone here actually read the books they recommend

>>6642160
keys to drawing, amazing book for beginners, within the first few pages it forces you to draw

>>6642149
Well, if you are practicing consistency, it makes more sense, because the lines you made don't seem to get that much thin, they are more akin to a fineliner than to a gpen. Then again, if you are practicing consistency, you are doing it right, my bad.

>>6642166
is keys better than drawabox for a beginner if i want to learn how to do the kind of concept art drawings you see for video games? or would keys come first?

>>6642202
Everything is better than drawabox.

>>6642204
damn why? the approach seems to make sense to me for drawing from imagination

drawing like this would be my end goal

as someone with 0 skill right now what books/courses should i study to arrive at this goal eventually?

keys to drawing -> figure drawing books + scott robertson?

are there more steps im missing? with how long this journey will be should i get through keys first and then ask again?

>>6642216
watch peter han's dynamic sketching to get a non-retarded version of drawabox

>>6642228
thats a paid course though right?

is it beginner friendly or for people who have some experience?

>>6642228
>>6642237
do NOT watch peter han, huge meme and you still wont learn, his method is JUST DRAW,

>>6642208

>>6642242
guys is drawing being gatekept?

I wish there was a clearly structured course like there is for math

>>6641068
i like your door. post the finished piece when your done.

>>6642256
NMA classes with Steve Huston / Painting with confidence course with Anthony Jones

>>6642242
>his method is JUST DRAW,
This is and will forever be the best pice of advice. Do you think 'prodigy' 12 year olds capable of drawing whatever they want sit on their asses all day reading shitty books made by people who died 200 years ago? No nigga they just draw and fix their mistakes as they go.
>just draw
is only bad advice if you're a sub 80iq retard incapable of improving on your mistakes

>>6642256
Here is I, Prometheus, stealing fire from the gods, and providing for you mortal /begs/. Here is thy structured course:

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

>>6642266
>is only bad advice if you're a sub 80iq retard incapable of improving on your mistakes

well isnt that why education exists? people who arent geniuses need guidance

also people who start early have so much time it doesnt matter if they practice inefficiently

but i imagine most here are older and want to improve asap

>>6642263
at what point is an NMA sub worth the price?

>>6642280
at any moment you want to actually invest in yourself and stop wasting time, time is money, you will spend years aimlessly wandering around the internet and looking for the perfect DA tut or youtube clickbait video when NMA is right there waiting to teach you how to draw. don't waste your time, invest in yourself.

>>6642263
i dont care about realist oil paintings or does everyone with a comic style like >>6642216 learn how to paint realistically first?

>>6642286
You don't need to learn absolutely everything, you just need to learn what you want or need to reach your goal.
check out anthony jones, he has 2 lessons on lineart and painting line art. they are really good.

https://www.artstation.com/marketplace/p/KdaN/improving-your-line-art?utm_source=artstation&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=homepage&utm_term=marketplace

https://www.artstation.com/marketplace/p/wjXr/adding-lighting-to-your-lines?utm_source=artstation&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=homepage&utm_term=marketplace

I took a few weeks' break from drawing, and when I did this drawing today, I realized that my stylus would not obey my commands. I tell my hand to go one way, only for it to slide towards another direction.

>>6642291
appreciate the links but im at level 0 right now and looking for how to start

can anyone learn how to draw from imagination?

I am really bad at rotating objects in my head. I can imagine things but I don't actually have a vivid image before me but rather a combination of descriptors. Is that normal if you haven't studied drawing yet?

>>6641917

ngmi ngmi

>>6642308
You should do drawabox. If you cannot do the rotated boxes exercises easily, you should study how to do boxes at every angle. If you don't have imagination, you can train it. Create whatever you want without pressure!!!

>>6642282
the only thing that's making me apprehensive about it is the courses are just SO GODDAMN LONG

How do you draw objectives in perspective that aren't symmetrical to the ground? I looked through all of perspective made easy and couldn't find anything

>>6642320
long? learning to draw is not a speedrun, a video game grind, or a microwave meal. Learning to draw is a lifetime of learning. maybe you don't want to actually draw but you like the idea of being an artist.

>>6642329
I don't mean the process of learning, I mean the actual lectures
I have 6 hours of free time on a good day, one lecture is like 2-3 hours
That's insane to keep up with

>>6642323
put a new set of vanishing points on the same horizon line

>>6642286
NTA, but the classes of Steve Huston don't begin with painting stuff, they begin with basics like head drawing and gesture.
So I believe that the anon is directing you to watch the drawing stuff of Steve Huston and the painting of Anthony Jones (Who you should look up, because his style translates well into your goal)

>>6642299
If you are really level 0, you have to learn to observe, keys to drawing, krenz, the sticky, most beginners' drawing resources focus on this, then you have to learn to analyse, which figure drawing will teach you this, it's basically how to study art on your own. From there, it's really your journey.

>>6642334
spend a saturday or friday on it, wake up early and avoid being bothered by anyone. A single lesson is only 2 hours. the entire course is 6-8 weeks. You watch a lesson, then you dwell on that lesson and practice it for a week, then go to the next. you don't down the whole thing in one go, its like 60+ hours per course

>>6642339
but that seems like, to use 3d modelling terminology, using the transform function. I want to use the rotate function.

>>6642000
Heres a few other books to check out Good luck anon

>>6642057
did you just slap together a list you found on google? If not, which books are your top 3? I only have so much to spend, so I want the best of the best

>>6642341
thanks

so I should not do the steve hudson stuff before getting through keys to drawing first?

I'm sorry for asking so many questions it's just as an old guy I feel so behind that I want to be sure I will practice efficiently

>>6642271
Yikes. If I wanted to make a guide for the purpose of stymieing beginners, this would be it.

>>6642376
Am I being trolled?

Is this some kind of aspiring artist hazing ritual?

>hey beginner read this book
>no this book is trash
>this course is perfect for beginners
>no this course is bad
>just draw lol

>>6642376
what would a little /beg/ like you know, compared to David Finch, professional artist?

>>6642382
I don't know what you mean. That's the second worst guide I've seen, right after the radio runner one.

>>6642382
this guy>>6642376 is a crab who doesn't provide counterarguments or alternate solutions. Don't listen to unhelpful people like him ;)

>>6641917

>>6642404
MA THE WEIRD BEAVER IS BACK

>>6642407
It's a rabbit not a beaver!!!!!

>>6642391
>counterarguments
There's some in that Bridgman thread. Instead of actually answering those you simply kept calling everyone a crab, like you're doing now.

>alternate solutions
Good point. Give me a few days, I'll make a guide and post it here.

>>6641917

I just don't get how I'm supposed to be drawing figures. Loomis draws out the central bones and then adds muscles and so forth, but whenever I see other people drawing they just use the simple shapes of the body and then add the muscles.

Do I need to practice loomis' figures before just use the simple shapes of the body? Seems like simple shapes would be a lot faster.

>>6642498
do drawabox first dude. Learn gesture drawing at the same time. It will give you constructional awareness and the capacity to build everything from simple shapes. Drawing is more intelectual and abstract than people realize. You must learn the biomechanics but also how to represent the world using 2d shapes. It is a mental paradigm shift.

>>6642513
fuck no, do not do draw a box, guess what you learn from draw a box, how to draw a box, its such a waste of time and a beg trap

>>6642517
Did you do it?

>>6642517
>guess what you learn from draw a box, how to draw a box
dont see the problem

>>6642521
I learned a lot of fundamentals from drawabox and a lot of biomechanical stuff, I did not know how to properly draw before it. It is very valuable albeit a bit boring. But fundies are supposed to be boring.

>>6642498
If you see most people using simple shapes, maybe you should do the same. In fact, Loomis uses simple shapes, if you read ahead.

The skeleton thing is just an exercise in anatomy.

>>6642422
What counterarguments? I didn’t see any.

Coming back after 4 months of zero drawings made

>>6642208
nipply out.

Hello beg, today i produced a weird one. I think i will have to redesign and redraw this from scratch.

>>6642644
solid studies
>>6642498
loomis is for advanced begs if not outright ints. You are supposed to have reference and yeah, it will be pain. Good luck! And yes, you can try out different books like morpho, tomfox draws or dozens of different figure books with various levels of simplifications
>>6642404
now THAT is the weirdest crab i have ever seen
>>6642382
there are many ways how to start learning the drawing. just pick one and stick to it. Personally i recc keys to drawing over anything else
>>6642367
It is compilation of books i have seen mentioned on many different art related places. As far as your question goes, you need to specify what kind of painting. Digital? Trad? Oil? Watercolor? I didnt get to any painting book myself yet, but A LOT of people praise Harol Speed books and Alla Prima book. Also the digital renaissance book is interesting since it teaches you how to emulate various painting styles in digital on concrete examples of famous paintings. But ultimately your guess is as good as mine. Also there are books just about colors and or lighting. I didnt include these in that screenshot.
>>6642323
If the cube is tilted upwards/downwards then you get "uphill" or "downhill"
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n203
If the cube is rotated left/right then all it does is tilting the horizon (of the cube). Basically if you draw cube normally and then tilt the canvas you get your rotated cube that way (because the horizon rotated along the canvas).
>>6642310
incel and femcel on a date
>>6642308
drawing from imagination is the hardest shit in drawing requiring years of practice. Have realistic expectations and just draw
>>6642293
>he didnt draw
NGMI
>>6642202
drawbox is designed to kill as many begs as possible in order to stifle competition on drawing market. Do not attempt drawbox unless you want to quit drawing forever.

my main issue as a /beg/let atm is drawing from imagination. i don’t really have a “visual library” that isn’t just a bunch of shitty symbols and all my fun drawings are copied from reference. there’s very little art of my own except what i did as a kid

>>6642713
Why do you have so many signatures and watermarks?

original is rm stout

>>6642334
A lot of the instructors speak pretty slowly. Watching at 2x speed is actually a better, honestly. Some of them I watch at 3x. Actually doing the assignments and making personal art is where you actually need to put in the hours.

>>6642713
>studies
Thanks but these are from imagination

>>6642763
bro please....choose a less eye rape color for the background

tried doing manga style. screentones are kinda fun.

Thank you anons for the help a few threads ago

wish i knew how to color
>>6642851
really cool, saved.

>>6643060
that SVD placement is really odd

>>6642388
NTA, then it begs the question: what is the best guide you have ever seen?

How does Loomis do this exactly? He's just using 2D shapes but somehow manages to imply solidity and form without shading. How does this work?

>>6643235
He took the fun pill

lol

>>6643235
thickness and discontinuity of lines

>>6641925
nice work anon. strangely schizophrenic stuff

>>6643235
Drawing with volume is a skill, Loomis doesn't teach you that and it's one of the gotchas of starting with FWAP. Vilppu's Drawing Manual is a good (but tough) read if you're struggling with 3d shapes.

I just rushed the damn thing because I was procrastinating on it too much. The potential scope(clothes, whole bed) turned out to be too large.
Also, I need to stop making the sketch and lineart on the same layer, things just get messy after several erases.

is drawing small scale one of the biggest /beg/ traps?

>>6643290
Small scale how?

>>6643125
The arm anatomy is looking pretty questionable.

>>6643290
the biggest beg trap is not drawing a scene and isntead drawing random floating objects on the page. you wont ever get good until you practice drawing multiple objects that are firmly on the ground in consistent perspective

>>6643281
Do you know of anyone other than Vilppu? I've tried him but I don't quite get him.

>>6643337
No one is as good as Vilppu, if you can stick with him long enough you'll see returns. It's difficult, but nothing worth doing was ever easy. Try Vilppu again before anything else, and don't "think" about the gesture parts, just read it and keep it in mind as you move on to the forms.
If you want something different, pick up a book on perspective, you'll need it eventually anyways. I like Perspective Made Easy (Earnest Norling) but there's a lot of options. Learning perspective is mathematical, you'll get exact rules to follow, very different from what Vilppu teaches.

>>6642820
Is this better?

>>6642644
These compositions are pretty cool

>>6643155
It's easier to say what these guides shouldn't have. To begin with, it should absolutely NOT have the following:
>Drawabox
>Moderndayjames, Sycra, Sinix, and other meme artists
These I see as /beg/ traps, because while they're not as detrimental as the above, there are far better resources out there:
>Hampton
>Reilly (intermediates-pros might find him useful for portraiture)

This isn't a comprehensive list but here's what I think are safe bets: KTD, FWAP, Han's Dynamic Sketching, and Vilppu are great to start with. Loomis simply doesn't click with some people however, so I see him as optional. For perspective, Vandruff and Norling. There's Erik Olson and Scott Robertson too but I'd only recommend them if you're going to draw scenes with complex perspective, vehicles, product design. For construction, Steve Huston. For anatomy, a decent intro is Scott Eaton's course. Proko is a faggot but he teaches anatomy well. Some books on the subject: Anatomy for Sculptors, Artistic Anatomy by Richer, Bridgman, the Morpho Series, and Gottfried Bammes' books (this last one is not for beginners though). For learning to draw with dip pens there's Guptill and Miles Yoshida. For rendering, Dorian Iten. For drapery, Barbara Bradley.

>>6643302
>The arm anatomy is looking pretty questionable.
care to redline? if you want. Just finished reading morpho, but realized he didnt went into actual muscles in the simple forms book.

>>6643530
forgor drawing

>>6643519

>>6643235
It's the intersection of the lines, by making a line cut another line you can create the impression that something is in front of something else

How do I have fun?

I decided to get better at drawing before I had a habit of drawing. I don't know what I enjoy since I've only ever drawn for practice, so I think about is performance-related (focus on doing this correctly, how can I do that better, etc). There's lots of stuff online about people re-finding the enjoyment after practice has crushed it out of them, but I never knew what it looked like in the first place - until now the last time I drew something was like, middle school.

>>6643584
find art you want to draw really. The more you are inspire the process starts to become enjoyable.

>>6643267
fucking hot

>>6642095
Yes.

Guys, i just spent 12 hours reading literotica and edging myself. I'm so useless. I'll never become a good artist at this rate.

>>6643645
>not drawing left handed
Rookie mistake

>>6643645
Read one section or story and draw, repeat.
You need to intersperse them with drawing.

>>6643267
lol based

>>6643645
>not edging and drawing erotica at the same time

I'm so glad that /ic/ told me not to do drawabox. Can't even imagine what it would be like to be a box drawing incel.

>>6643584
pick up where you left off and just draw. anything. it won’t look any better than back then, but no one should expect it to.

>>6643645
>I'll never become a good artist
You're in good company

should shitty porn be posted in /beg/ or a different thread?

>>6642369
>I want to be sure I will practice efficiently
Only way to practice efficiently is to begin, mate. You can't go and follow a bodybuilder's workout if don't even know if you can squat properly.
>so I should not do the steve hudson stuff before getting through keys to drawing first?
Well, that's up to your level, can you only draw stick figures and dread the circle? Then you should go through keys to drawing first. If not, then you can go to Steve Huston's book at the same time, the first chapters are pretty beg level, like, lines, circles and squares level, and it gets you going from there.

>>6643697
post in both in order to (you)maxx

>>6643697
take your garbage coom shit to salt you pathetic abomination

how to draw faces?

>>6643793
Copy your favorite drawings.

>>6643793
The reason faces are hard is because they're not made of simple contour lines.

Everything's smooth transitions and soft surfaces that are only revealed by depth, texture and shadow. On top of which we look at faces constantly and with intense focus, so we're highly attuned and notice small imperfections in drawing. You've got to either go highly stylized or evolve beyond contour lines and incorporate shading.

b-man studies and something for fun to not lose the motivation

>>6643697
just stop giving a shit and post anything you want

>>6643872
are you looking to draw muscle girls, anon?

>>6643883
m-maybe

A small piece I made to practice shading. Does anyone know of a good set of Krita brushes?

>>6642256
Unironically yes it is.

>sit down to draw for fun
>put one line down
>don't like it
>give up and go back to doing studies
I'm so doomed

>>6643907
go back and add a 2nd line

>>6643903
why though? Why do artists seem so unpleasant?

>>6643924
>1. Drew as a kid and ignored the sucky period, lots of good habits became second nature and they don't have to think about it anymore so they can't explain things very well and things late learners struggle with baffle them
>2. "I suffered so you have to."
Take your pick.

>>6642256
What site is that?

Hallo there

are there any guides for drawing simple big-eyed loosely-anime faces? when i try they always end up looking terrifying but i don't know enough to identify where i went wrong

>>6643941
Show us one

For those of you that have done Bargue, do you just print pages from the pdf? I want to do some plates to improve my accuracy/value control but I assume they're meant to be drawn larger than standard printer paper.

>>6643924
idk, it's a pretty complex thing to learn.

>>6643941
The guide is to copy it. Find those images you want to draw like, and copy them. /asg/ won't steer you wrong.

You can't rely on a textbook for everything, anon. All the shapes are right there, you just gotta study it yourself

are my proportions more or less correct?

I spent half an hour poorly drawing a razor in space

>>6643995
good job, that is very nice

>>6642644

>>6643441
thanks

>>6643995
i’m proud of you

are mechanical pencils secretly gigabased?

>>6644087
yes, plus you can use different hardness lead.

>>6643936
Is that sherlock

>>6643963
It helps to use bigger sizes than printer paper. If it means anything, I just take an old tablet laptop that I have, open the pdf and change the size until a good size for my paper and have the two next to each other while copying the plates

>spend 10am to 8pm just staring at the wall, can just draw a line before zoning out
>sun sets and suddenly I can draw and focus
what is this syndrome and how do I stop it?

>>6644152

>>6643645
why not do both, you can condition yourself to horny draw for hours at a time

>>6644152
>>6644154
I even keep track of what I do when I draw, like what music I was listening to, what I had on in the background, etc.
Nothing works
It's like I'm not here during the day

>>6644091
deadass just gripped this

>>6643984
you draw very well, anon

A cake I made

goddamn i wish figure drawing wasn’t so difficult. a ton of ideas i want to start on, but i’m only at the level of barely knowing how to use a pencil properly. so i’m stuck with keys to drawing for at least a few more weeks, i guess.

>>6644221
>at least a few more weeks
A-anon.. I...

>>6643902
I like these ones, links to download are in the description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7rV88734pE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGaVQaFI64k

>>6644087
yeah. you may also like a clutch pencil/lead holder. pretty similar but you can use a much thicker lead to get more variation in strokes.

>>6644222
too long, or too short of an estimate? i’m thinking one or two months to get comfortable with the basics - observation and simple perspective, mainly.

>>6644221
>>6644228
I'm 7 years in, and I"m still improving my accuracy and observation. Just saying... it's a long haul.

Feel free to start figure drawing now, though. Michael Hampton is great. Follow it up with Morpho, Bridgman, and Loomis

>>6644228
It's one of those Dunning-Kruger things, the better you get, the more you realize how crap you are

I just impulse bought 12 books about drawing manga and anime

fuck loomis
fuck bridgman
fuck keys
fuck marvel

I'm gonna by drawing cute anime girls and noone can stop me

I bought early 2000's late 90's manga style drawing books

>>6644232
i have hampton’s book and don’t get it. or gesture. maybe i should slow down until something makes sense, i dunno.

>>6644237
As long as you actually draw, who cares

>>6644240
somtimes, you just gotta sit down and do what the book says, even if you don't get it. With practice, it'll click

>>6644251
No, no anon, you don't understand. I just buy stuff, but never draw. It's a mental illness. I have drawers full of oil paint, pencil boxes, boxes full of empty sketchbooks and canvases and brushes. I own several wacoms. I pretend to want to draw, but I never do it. I just Consooooom.

Here niggers:

https://pastebin.com/ER5PuWiS

Punchout '89

where do you get your books at? cant find shit on irc

PUNCHOUT

>>6644286
amazon or ebay

>>6643423
No. In general, you want to avoid saturated colors for the background. There's a couple of reasons for this.

Firstly, it takes attention away from the main subject, which in this case is your character. You dont want that. Notice how in every portrait, the background is always extremely muted except in rare circumstances (where the artist knows what he's doing). In character illustrations without a detailed background, you should always use very muted colors as the background.

Secondly, saturated colors naturally come to the foreground; this is easily noticeable in landscape paintings, where the farthest area is very muted, almost completely gray, compared to a saturated foreground. Since your background is hot pink it comes to the foreground and since your character for some reason has the same color as the background, it's almost invisible and completely unreadable, as well as flat-looking (remember, you want muted colors in the background to make the saturated colors of your foreground subject pop, this adds depth).

Hope this helps.

>>6643872
Your anatomy is great but desu your faces are lacking in comparison and all look the same. You should spend some time focusing on that.

>Can't draw
>Can't colour
>Still want to attempt to make "finished" pieces
>Don't even make it to the end.
So whats the plan? Just go through courses? Any attempt at making anything "personal" ends up in disappointment.

how does this look?

>>6644312
I agree... only after a break I realized that the face was really bad
here was another try

>>6644319
keep going for finished pieces. See something you don't like about it, try to learn more about it to do it better next time.
I habeeb in you urabe anon

>>6644319
>>6644346
Keep making finished pieces, like that anon said. But, I also recc going on quickposes.com and doing figure drawing for 1 hour a day. Vilppu's course is a good choice for figure drawing, as is Steve Huston

lost motivation

>>6644356
Has that workes for you?

>>6644386
yes darling

>>6642116
orienting a box in 3d is really easy, easier than drawing a circle and then cutting away at it too

>>6644356
>>6644346
Thanks anons I will try to be more diligent in my studies.

>>6641917
I can upload this to pixiv now, right?

I have no idea of my current level of skill and I don't even know if I have potential in drawing. I just did this. Be as harsh as you can.

>>6644518
Better than most beginners, but still in overall beginner bracket

>>6644512
I can see a ton of outlines overlapping and bits you forgot to erase, maybe take five minutes to go over it

>>6644360
I don't think of smiling when I think alert.

>>6644534
Yeah, I just erased it.
I'll go fix the abdominal line later. Damn it, my free time is over.
Hope I could upload a satisfying version before going to sleep

Another day, another Gondola (ft. Apu)

>>6644556
God damn your skills and soul levels just keep rising.
Thank you for being you and sharing your work anon.

>>6644101
Yes , how'd I do?

Also what about this one?

how do i go from sketch to painting this is my third attempt at carving out values

>>6643981
>/asg/ won't steer you wrong.
i am fairly sure this is bait

Used some pic of a cosplayer off twitter as a reference
Face is too long, chin is too pointy, ears are too lazy
I like the rest of it though

>>6644728
flip the canvas and observe the eyes

>>6644730
Uhhhhh what should i be looking for here?

can't freehand straight lines to save my life
did 2 where i used line tool for underlying construction and 1 where i didn't

>>6644737
Asymmetrical proportions

>>6644751
I don't understand what you mean, i am very new to drawing

>>6644761
It's cool
You'll see it once you drew for 2 months more. Don't stop.

Everything you made before would look awful and that would make you happy

>>6644761
Flip your image horizontally. It should look instantly awful, like you can't imagine how you ever thought it looked good bad. That's normal, everyone reacts like that.

If it doesn't, then don't worry, your eyes just need more practice at seeing your art.

>>6644771
>Flip your image horizontally
Yeah i understood this, it just doesnt look much different to me. I will keep going
>>6644764
>Don't stop.
I won't. :3

>>6644728
I can see that you were going for a slight head tilt that was probably present in the reference image, but you didn’t sell it well which is why the plebs think the eyes are mis-aligned.

>>6644772
Anyways, your face is super flat. If you want to draw in an anime style, give practice to making it look 3-dimensional. Drawing angles that aren't head-on is a good way.

How do I drawwwwwww

>>6644775
Rude

>>6644781
>your face is super flat
fukn racist
yellow niggas can't help that their downie faces are all flat and weird looking

>>6644291
Wanted to give the guy more of an impish expression. I love these Tokidoki sketchbooks.

>>6644286
-> catalog -> ^F artbook

>>6644653
see >>6642057
or if you're a big baby go look up Marco bucci on jewtube

>don't enjoy drawing
>hate my finished results
what the fuck am i meant to do

>>6644948
why are you even drawing then

How to make color shading/rendering less confusing?
I somewhat know how to do grayscale-to-color, but I wanted to practice direct coloring. The “value” grouping on skin is kinda confusing when it comes to how many tones I should be laying down, should I use a darker color for the cast shadows or do that later, how many layers should I be using, how to incorporate the more ‘delineated’ parts into painting, …

Which artist has the easiest approach/course/tutorial for this? I’m so confused right now.

>>6644536
he’s a bit touched in the head

>>6644972
define the light and shadow first and then further divide it and then smooth out the transition areas based on how hard or soft the edges are. for colors dont just change the brightness for shadows, you have to change the hue too. i would start with going very yellow for the light part and very blue for the shadow to simulate sun and skylight lighting. its always better to use too much color, it makes it look 'stylized' but too little color just looks bad and muddy.

>>6644948
I hate having to draw but like drawing. I'm content that I share this problem with all my actually good artist friends.

>>6644337
she looks crosseyed

>>6644948
Maybe you're just trying to bite off too much too fast.

i can't just grind the fundamentals by drawing realistic people, i need to be able to apply them to something i'm interested in
what resources for stylized art are out there?

>>6645046
What the fuck are you talking about.

>>6644948
Easy obvious fix.

Fellas, I start to think that marvel comics book might be a symbol drawing trap

>>6645115

>>6645115
wait till you find out all construction is just advanced symbol drawing

>>6645118
>all "pro drawing" is just tracing
At last I truly see...I've been played for a fool all along...

>>6645166
wait until your learn about NSFW artists who draw the same body every time with a different head (even if the art style of the head clashes)

>>6645064
where do i learn to make stylized art
surely there must be plenty of books and tutorials on the topic

>>6645234
style comes from creating short cuts for yourself. you can copy someone leses style if you analyze what short cuts they come up with and how the represent certain things or what mistakes the consistently make.
maybe try drawing living things that are moving like a cat or dog that is playing, this will force you to capture hwat is important to you and a style will come out of it

>>6641917
Anons I was taking a Japanese course but it got canceled last minute
Now I'm thinking, should I take another language just to open my job oportunities? I was genuinely considering french

>>6645298
>Anons I was taking a Japanese course but it got canceled last minute
where? online?

>>6643533
dnd fanart!! cute!

>>6644990
Understandable, carry on king.

>>6644781
this image is so good. what is the source? are there more?

>>6645395
Look at the background.
Manga materials. Uploads studies and breakdowns to twitter and pixiv with english translations.
Disabled their comments after a bunch of cwestoid crabs started throwing a bitchfit after being called /beg/s for chicken scratching.

>>6645298
How was learning Japanese going to open your job opportunities?

>>6645401
NTA but there's a lot of japanese-owned businesses in my state.

>>6644337
Way better. Don't listen to the guy who says she's crosseyed: he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Which figure drawing book would you personally recommend? There are so many out there and everyone gives a different recommendation.

Aside from the hand which needs more work, does anything else seem wrong? Any opinions/pointers?

>>6645046
Very tricky question desu. I don’t know any specific courses, stylization is mostly what you learn from copying artists you like, seeing tutorials from illustrators that have specific styles, spending time on conceptualising et al.

But learning to draw fundies is also a very important skill since you can implement every element to make your stylization more convincing and grounded (anatomy, perspective, color theory, light and shadows…)

>>6645525
My personal recommendation to the beginner is any book about figure drawing. It can even be one of those "How to Draw Manga" books or a Christopher Hart book. As long as it gets you to start thinking about figure drawing in a systematic and methodical fashion. Then you can graduate to books by Loomis, Bridgman, Hogarth, etc.

oh god

finito

Rendering the body was hard and the pose is still not perfect but I'd like to know where I can improve.

>>6645671
>I'd like to know where I can improve
Everywhere

Is gesture really worth practicing? I don't feel like I learn anything from it.

>>6645671
The flippers are angled pretty weird, and the gills are weirdly asymmetrical. The angles for her clothing and anatomy look weird, so I would try redrawing parts of it until you feel more confident in it. That said, the design and color scheme is pretty good, very cute and easy on the eyes

>>6645671
perspective seems off between the figure and background

>>6645704
I can only draw from gesture. I can't do construction to any workable level

>>6644263
>oil paint
gimme NOW faggot ive been wanting to start painting irl for so long

how the fuck do you draw vertical lines on tablet

>>6645758
just rotate the canvas bro

>>6645758
Lots and lots and lots of practice. Or just turn the canvas to a more comfortable position.

Finished this for the sake of finishing it. I could keep correcting my mistakes, but I want to move on. I fucked up the proportions early on, but I think it's not bad now. I should fix the feet and legs, but like I said, I want to get on to something else.

>>6645758
for me, it’s the shift key

>>6645758
hold shift

Hello beg, i am incapable of drawing fields. Feels very beg.

>>6645758
you need to practice this, same as everything else. personally i have more issues with horizontal lines than vertical ones
>>6645704
these arent gestures and by the looks of it it you dont need to practice gestures since your figures arent stiff
>>6645298
how are job opportunities related to drawing or beg?
>>6645046
you can draw anything you want anon. Tanks, forests, booba, landscapes... the issue of stylization is when you make error its way harder to spot it so you can easily end up learning wrong things. meanwhile if you draw too thin neck like this guy >>6645640 everybody notices right away
>>6644948
welcome to my art life lmao
>>6644784
looking at that face you already know how to draw and paint :-)
>>6644746
me neither
>>6644556
i kneel
>>6644512
i dont know if pixiv has any minimum quality requirements but you have a lot of stuff to add: core shadow, casted shadow, background and skin highlights. Also you cut off FEET which is very important for some coomers!
>>6644286
internet archive, libgen, asking anons politely on /ic, like look here anon casually dropped 30 art books >>6644271
>>6644282
that is cool but unfinished
>>6644237
based. follow your art dream! now you just need to draw (the hardest part)
>>6644210
you need keys to drawing. the ankle on right is broken, the lack of cast shade makes her float above floor and bottle is tragic
>>6644049
i kneel
>>6643963
i just put the book on left side of my monitor and then copied it on right side in drawing app. Anyway the book said you should draw them on like A1 paper so lmao nobody even has so big table or paper
>>6643282
these bodies are weak. Did you use reference? Weakest parts are shoulders, back and hips. Also your lines look bad, are you using only very short strokes or something?
>>6642851
I kneel
>>6642727
It kills AI training datasets and makes art thefts way harder. Plus i think they are cool.
>>6645822
respectable thot

why can't i draw hands and why are the eyes wonky
also how do i draw a line for the legs without it looking off?

>>6645836
read a book

>>6645839
this is a beginner thread you're supposed to spoonfeed me faggot

>>6645830
>you dont need to practice gestures since your figures arent stiff
Fucking based. I can finally move on with my life.

>>6645843
made me kek, go subscribe to NMA and take steve huston drawing courses on head drawing and figure drawing.

>>6645850
thanks i'll do that
do you see anything i should focus on or i just go back to basics?

>>6645854
start from the begging of the figure which i would consider the head, steve takes you through part by part by part of the head. he breaks down one feature ever week of the course.

>>6644360
worked on it more, anything look off before I colour? I think the eyes on the front facing full body are probably too downturned. Might be some problems with the shoulders too but idk. I fucking hate drawing people facing forward

>>6643995
today I spent an hour working on this gundam

>>6645858
i see
i mean i've been doing huston (and hampton recently) but this was me applying it in a more simplified way to a simplified cartoon style

>>6645822
>I want to get on to something else
This is the classic /beg/ move. You think you'll apply what you've learned from this drawing to your next piece only to find out that your next piece presents a different set of problems. It's good that you can identify corrections to make, but they're only good if you apply them. If you want to see improvement, you'll draw your subject a second time or more. Resist the urge to bail on something if it doesn't work out the way you thought the first time you try.

took me all day to make this.

>>6645931

>>6645932

>>6645931
>>6645932
>>6645936
nice

>>6645915
Anon, I got an extra two hours of overtime dumped on me today, and I barely managed to get my cardio in. I'm not some aspiring art student. This is my leisure time and I have a lot of fun things in other mediums I want to do. It was either wrap it up or leave it unfinished. I have very little time and if my mind wasn't totally fried from the last fifteen hours of constant effort I'd be practicing hatching or sleeping. I managed to finally find a good video on ballpoint pen shading while trying not to scarf down dinner.
I get what you're saying, but sometimes you got to wrap it up and move the fuck on. I learned what I needed from this one.
And I might draw her again but with pen. I'm really interested to try photo realistic denim.

>>6645936
>>6645932
>>6645931
Despite seeing it countless times, I've never understood exactly what path leads people to this specific level of skill.

>>6645972
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%C3%AFve_art

Is there an alternative to practicing figure proportions without using boxes? Finding it really tedious to measure out and draw boxes constantly when I'm trying to make a human figure. Would be different if I was doing a building.

Is it all just boxes?

>>6645996
Cylinders?

>>6645925
very good work, now do that every day until it doesn't take a day anymore

>>6645972
>>6645991
i dont know if this is a compliment or insult

i studied revy

>>6646004
It's an explanation

>>6646000
Is there any video demonstrating the use of cylinders on their own? The ones I've seen just use cylinders as an occasional supplement to the boxes. I saw loomis mentioned the usage of cylinders to help see the proportions of body parts, but I don't understand how he does it

>>6646009
ah fuck why do I only ever find out where I fucked up when I upload it. I check it beforehand even.. right hip too wide eye too big..hands different sizes fuck

what kind of face do you put on a shitty lineart creatura even?

>>6646002
do you... think its passable? for some context i am using mogoons tutorials, so this was done using this method of drawing a box first. But yes, I want to keep going and get serious... Very fustrated in life, I cant be beg in all aspects of life forever.

>>6646012
well if it was meant in a negative way i wanna know

ive been studying vilppu and practicing circle volumes so i made some fun sketches to get into the groove

>>6646019
Art is many individual skills at once, and any given person is at different points in all of those skills at any given time. But pretty regularly I see art with the same distinctive combination of skill levels as yours - often enough that it's a recognizable pattern, not just one person's specific idiosyncrasy.

But I've never understood *how* one ends up with that particular matrix of skills.

>>6645830
>i think they are cool
based

>>6646018
Yes, just keep going. Is the tutorial avaiable on youtube?

>>6646041
sadly not... shit costs 200 bones to get the art course, but theres prolly a pirated version out there.

>>6646014
Loomis uses cylinders to illustrate how to draw the figure in perspective. I thought Yoshitomi had a video on how to use cylinders, but it was more about using ellipses in construction.

Is there a 3D model for the loomis mannequin?

>>6646051
Akihito Yoshitomi*

>>6645822
Punchable. I like it.

>>6646057
the loomis manikin is bad.

how can i determine perspective on character? i've problem about perspective plane because i don't understand it.
i..... but the first left one probably wrong.

>>6646026
i never looked at it that way thank you for the wise words anon

>>6646116
where can I find a good one? I just want a good mannikin I can reference in CSP

>>6646209
>>6646057
I should've been clearer but I'm looking for something with clearly defined skeleton and muscles

Feel like it could use more ass.
Ideas?

>>6646301
post ref

>>6646340

>>6646341
>>6646340
>>6646301
I just noticed I basically compacted her ass like some shitty looney tunes joke.
God fucking damn it.

I'm not very good at picking colors, orange purple green colorway is bad, I'm nor sure how to pick a better palette.

I'm not sure if the style I'm drawing in is bad either, I originally wanted to go for a scott pilgrim type thing but I dont know if its working, if I keep going I can maybe make it a bit better or if I should switch it up and try something else all together. If it's bad I'd rather know

>>6644337
Read about contrapostto if you want her to not look like she awkwardly shat herself.

>>6646343
you compacted the torso too

>>6646301
feels like you could use some glasses

>>6646252
cute

What are you supposed to draw when doing 2 min gesture drawings? Some youtubers try the outline of the character, some draw head line of action torso pelvis and joints/lines for the limbs some just do weird long lines it seems that everyone has a different opinion on what to do when drawing from reference for a set amount of time.

I think the most important part is probably to get the proportions right and the general form of the pose?

>>6644356
>without references
dont listen to this man

the mind is willing (to draw) but the flesh (my hand) is weak

>>6646587
learn to read retard

this post is your reminder to read vilppu

"don't chicken scratch!!!" is this real advice? Every artist I see uses "chicken scratch" lines to find their lines until they refine them.

>>6646648
so long as you do, in fact, go through the refine step

>>6646657
>>6646657
new bread

>>6646657
>>6646657
>>6646657

>>6646341
epic addition to my coomer panel

>>6646353
I don't have any advice but I like your style and enjoy seeing your work, wish you didn't delete your posts.