/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6632809
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS
No

Teddy bears, what y'all think?

>>6632809
since i started copying things i noticed a lot of artists just give up on random body parts particularly hands and feet

>>6632837
Who will be looking at the hands when you're busy staring at tits I guess

I was slightly looser than normal while doing these which I think is supposed to be a good thing.

How many months does it take of drawing daily before you can perceive a difference in the quality of your art?

>>6632837
nah, only coomer-twitter artists

Basically every single one of you are still in the rubbing-sticks-on-wood stage when it comes to lighting fires.
Meanwhile, with my carefully researched and studied set of words, I instantly draw whatever I want, all aided by the latest in humanity's cutting edge Linguistic-Graphic advancements.
Catch up, or stay in caves where you belong.

>>6632900
Do you think you've ever knowingly taken a less efficient path to a destination, in your whole life?
Anyways have fun with your tentacle hands and birds made of only wings.

>>6632889
two weeks, but some begs are slower than others

Taking any feedback, but my specific question is how do I make the astronaut “blend” in wi5 the world around him more? It looks like he’s just copies and pasted over the background.

This is my first time rendering with color and composition in mind.

how to draw faces

>>6632969
draw faces

>>6632887
Well, I am done with all the chapters of the Marvel book I care about, and am starting to be reasonably happy with my ability to quickly and with some degree accuracy establish their poses. Next step is trying to apply this to people. Hopefully only another 2-3 weeks from getting back to Bridgman.

nother photo sketch

>>6632837
Post-coom lethargy.

Felt like trying a Bob Ross on this unused wip background I had. Most time consuming part was definitely finding brushes as Krita's default brushes weren't gonna cut it anymore. Speaking of, can anyone here recommend any good brush sets?

Looking at the finished result it's a lot more smudgey that I intended. Less is more I guess.

>>6632978
Somehow the ass feels under exaggerated.

>>6632926
Not having clashing contrast. You clearly have a different process doing background versus doing figures.

>>6632141
A bit better?

>>6632900
I'm a fucking dinosaur nigga I don't give a fuck

>>6632900
you're not drawing anything though poojeet
now go back to eating off the floor

>>6632826
Sorry I lol'ed honestly thought the pic on left was a donut dropped on a grassy field or bushes. You could make the lines a bit denser to create an outline of what you were drawing instead of fluff all around I think that would help

>>6632969
I use photos of my friends as a reference and slowly learned how to draw faces over the years

>>6632990
Yeah I can tell that but what can I do to rememdy that problem with this right now

>>6633035
Whys the man's happy to have his head ripped off?

>>6633004
I feel like the reds are all in the wrong order. The brightest red should be the coat, followed by the organs, then the blood. The blood should also be less viscous. It looks like strawberry jam.

How am I doing with drawing in proportions?

>>6633062
GMI!

>>6632809
Hey OP, why didn't you include the new sticky, the collaborative one?

Any reccomendations for timed pose websites? I tried quickposes and half the reference images had extreme lighting that left most the figure obscured.

>>6633062
Gigachad krenz enjoyer.

>>6633059
Yeah I used that order for the reds at the beginning but then I noticed that the jam was less evident, so I switched it.
It's cherry btw

>>6632809
3rd day streak of posting art. Did more gesture drawings for practice. I did a layer of crayola, then a layer of poster paint then scratched my son's monster he draws on the paint. It didn't turn out as well as I'd like, but something about this character I feel would make a good print. With a little more experimentation.

Maybe the same technique but smaller on sticker paper? Then cut them out into circular stickers. Maybe the background color should also be vertical to emulate the coloring on the original.

I also used too little water when stretching the paper and didn't know the right angle trick for pulling off the tape.

I'm new to drawing an I'm trying to make sense of observational drawing by trying to capture the lines with my eyes and occasionally not even looking at the paper while drawing but I end up making a garbled mess. Is this just a case of "lol draw more" or am I missing something ?

>>6633154
Look at paper while drawing.

It feels good seeing progress.

>>6633154
You're overcomplicating things and overthinking man
If you're a beginner just chill and draw

>>6633154
Do the Krenz practice like >>6633062 did to improve your observation skills

my drawings look demonic and evil

Think I'm doing better proportion wise but there's other areas I'm not doing well with. I'd like to work on shading soon, draw hands properly at the right size and make eyes more identical because right now maintaining symmetry is hard for me so I've been talking pictures and then flipping them to see how wonky things are. Its not ideal but I'm not sure what the best solution to that is. Any critique is appreciated.

>>6633180
Post em

How the fuck do you draw hair?

>>6633181
Are you the guy that was drawing the bald chicks?

>>6633283
>establish hairline and any parts in the hair
>think of the hair in terms of 3D forms instead of individual strands
>do hair studies
That's about it.

>>6633283
Study Leyendecker

>>6633283
Hair is easy. Try drawing ribbons with perspective and practice that.

>>6633325
No, I haven't posted In these threads in months. Sorry

Just another pencil drawing. I have a problem doing hands I know.

>feel happy with drawing
>take a picture and edit down
>notice issues with the anatomy I hadn't before
Every time. Either way I think my ability to draw from photos is better than it used to be.

>>6633419
>I have a problem doing hands I know.
You have a problem with the rest too anon.

>>6632987
its the clothing placement

>>6633422
The main attraction of digital is exactly that, you can go back and fix stuff in reasonable time
Having your mistakes immortalised is healthy for your growth, though

>>6633443
I know right

>>6633450
It wouldn't be as much of an issue for me but my phone camera doesn't pick up just 2h so I have to 2b which doesn't erase great. There's always next drawing though.

>>6633455
>There's always next drawing though
GMI mindset

>>6633422

>>6633523
Love this set

>>6632809
Please give me your most brutally honest critique.
I tried EVERYTHING, but the head still looks fucked.
Thank you.

>>6633528
You didn't actually implement any of the critcism your wip got.

>>6633528
Learn your fundamentals. Practice figure drawing and anatomy studies.

>>6633531
Lying is a sin, Anon-kun.
>>631717

>>6633535
Alright.

>>6633531
>>6633539
Here's an implementation of some criticism I received.
>>6631717

>>6633540
Anon, adding random boxes to your figure AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY DRAWN IT, isn't construction, and changes NOTHING.
You have to be 18 to post here!

>>6633546
I didn't just add the boxes, I also changed the figure along with it, do you get off on this shit?

>>6633547
It doesn't show through in your drawing. Keep studying fundies anon.

>>6633528
the NGMI polishing a turd
>>6633455
the GMI there's always the next drawing

>>6633528
Learn perspective.

>>6633547
Trying to help you make better art. You aren't sending your best!

>>6633558
Well, you aren't really helping!
Here, let me demonstrate you how I changed the drawing after implementing the criticism from last time.
Before you jump into any further conclusions. ;)

Before:
>>6631576
After:
>>6633528

>>6633550
Hey now asshole, it's not a turd, and I might as well finish the drawing before moving on to the next drawing, if you're implying that I won't do that anyway already, and if that's the only difference for you between a "GMI" and a "NGMI".
Wait, why tf should I even care about your opinion again?

>>6633553
What am I missing? I believe I already learned perspective...

>>6633181
Bump

>>6633181
I would try to draw your figure in another angle, for starters. Maybe that might help. Good luck.

>>6633181
>eyes and symmetry
mirror? ruler or T-square for accurate guidelines

>>6633584
>I believe I have already learned perspective
Anon, you read like a troll or retard. Objects in the same plane follow the same vanishing point

>>6633599
>Objects in the same plane follow the same vanishing point
This is not helpful. I do understand the words and what you're trying to convey, but when I look at my drawing it looks fine to me.
Could you really call your post a useful "critique" then?
>inb4 ur a troll or retard
And you don't communicate clear enough for me to understand you, I'm sorry man.
And if I were a troll, I wouldn't have even followed any of /ic/'s advice to begin with to where my drawing is right now.

>>6633584
Plot the vanishing points right now.

>>6633450
>mistakes
Not my problem.

>>6633584
Don't t get defensive for every little thing holy shit, you sound like a little bitch

Heyy good evening! I want to kill myself. (If I don't lose my virginity by age 30 which is in 2 years)

>>6633643
LEWD FATTY

>>6633651
this but in -2 years

>>6633618
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing

>>6633650
Ok yeah let me just laugh my ass off and take your words for granted, fuck you

>>6633661
oh shit a ghost! hide everyone!

>>6633669
>I believe I have already learned perspective
Go read one of the perspective books or even the DAB lesson or something.

tried to do some hip angle pose

>>6633681
Okay, thank you

>>6633584
>What am I missing? I believe I already learned perspective...
The figure and the objects in the background are drawn at different perspectives. The buildings and the car are drawn as if the viewer's eyeline is at ground level, but the figure is drawn as if the viewer is looking upward.

>>6633616
You do not understand because you clearly don't understand what a vanishing point is. How can you claim to understand when you don't understand the words being used?
Here is an example:
The road, trees, fence, etc. are all in the same plane(s) and share a vanishing point because of this. All horizontal vanishing points will be on the horizon line, which is always at the same elevation as eye level of the viewer. The lines making up the top and bottom of these objects will converge at the vanishing point. Note that for anything other than a plain box, the top and bottom plane are often just conceptual. Additionally, in the example picture, the artist chose to only give one horizontal vanishing point for these objects, the second set of lines making up the top and bottom plane are perfectly parallel, where instead they could converge at a secondary horizontal vanishing point.

>>6633616
>if I were a troll
Also, that's why I said troll or retard. I can't say I know the color of your heart, but if you are genuine when you say cannot find issue with the perspective in your drawing, you are retarded.

>It's another I autistically copy evangelion characters episode

>>6633702
OH.
>>6633709
Okay fine, I'll study goddamn perspective again.

But your example only works because the viewer and everything on the image except for the mountains are parallel and aligned orderly.
Now what if there were three different roads, all branching out to different directions?
And what if those roads aren't straight but rather curvy?
And what if those trees and houses aren't all parallel to each other on those roads?

What will you do then, huh?

>>6632809
Nothing's wrong, right?
I would add hair now if no one can find any error

>tried posting on /draw/ couple of times
>thread literally dies after each post for a day-two
nah i'll stick to beg/int

>>6633734
Wait, the wrist is crushed. I would fix that later

>>6633728
The perspective theory has answers to all of these but you need to learn the basics first, like what a vanishing point is.

>>6633739
I've noticed a sever lack of activity on /ic/, as opposed to its "glory" days.
Board is almost as dead as /i/.

>>6633734
eww why are 2 girls haveing sexo time wtf is wrong with u

>>6633741
Alright.
Is drawing landscapes and my environment going to help me in that too?

>>6633744
Thank AI for that or covid ending, chose one.

>>6633744
We’re on /v/

>>6633749
Thank you Xin Ping

redpill me on proko's "new" basics series? worth the cost or stick to the free vids? it's not in the torrent yet

>>6633752
just get the OG books you can find the pdf versions of them everywhere

>>6633728
Each set of things that are aligned will have their own vanishing points. You would mark (or if they wouldn't lie on the page, visualize) the points seperately and apply the same concept. It's not a new problem, it's the same problem multiple times within one piece.
For organic shapes, it helps to break them down into simpler forms. Starting with a box that is just exactly big enough to fit the object in question. For something like a cylinder, if you make such a box, if you draw a circle just as wide and tall in the front and back plane, and connect them according to the vanishing point, you'll have a cylinder in perspective.
All these things take practice, however. Rather than worry about edge and complicated cases, it would be more productive to design your work to just incorporate simple cases until you are comfortable with them. Once you are, you can start doing slightly more complicated cases.
This is how education works. You do not give calculus lessons to children, you start them off by teaching them incredibly basic shit like what the natural numbers are, and then move on to slightly less simple concepts like addition and subtraction.

>>6633756
Forgot my visual aid for the cylinder example. One anon here already reccomended drawabox. I will also reccomend them with the caveat that since your goal ought to be spacial reasoning, you do not need to heed the teacher's autism about what materials to use, or bother with the lessons on mark making (for now). Drawing boxes in perspective and drawing ellipses on planes in perspective would benefit you though.

>>6633734
Red figure's head and neck are misaligned. Blue figure's neck is way too thick. Neither one has a jawline to speak of. The facial features seem small fornthe heads. Their brain cases are huuuuuuge.

>>6633761
Currently fixing em now.
God, I can't believe I mistook the shoulder blades in my sketch layer for the neck

Give me a red line to show where else I missed?
Also, is the brain case really big?
I would add hair later/tommorow. Hope it doesn't look as bad as you describe

>>6633765
>shoulder blades
*collar bone

>>6633756
>Rather than worry about edge and complicated cases, it would be more productive to design your work to just incorporate simple cases until you are comfortable with them. Once you are, you can start doing slightly more complicated cases.
>>6633759
Ok thanks man. Finally some tangible advice...!

I present to you: My wife. Took me way too long but who cares (3:30h)

how to draw boob

Pencil sketch for hatching exercise. Going to try gel pens but doing a kind of Frank Cho thing.
I won't work on it again until at least tomorrow after work. Let me know if there's anything I'm missing or need to fix. I was going to outline it with black ink then make a fine offset grid with a light orange and then work up to darker colors freehand.
I'm also going to try monochrome ballpoint later. I know you're not supposed to use gel pens for this, but I'm going to try it anyway. I did a couple of rough ones and they seemed to work okay.

Hello beg. Monk descending down to his certain demise!

>>6633752
i will give you the biggest redpill on all these art courses: it is incredibly hard to make a living from pictures. Over saturated market, every other beg draws and such. And so many people who draw decide to focus on teaching others. Proko and his kind will keep re-releasing the same old concepts ad infinity, ideally every year to milk whatever audience there is. I mean there are art books from 19th century and they teach exactly same stuff as proko. For example look at >>6633062 that is technique from bargue drawing course released at 1875 and it is just describing method art schools were teaching since like 16th century. And anons look at it in 2023 and praise krenz like he invented it. I dont hate them, everybody has to earn their bread somehow. But be aware whatever they are selling can be found elsewhere for free.
>>6633739
interesting furries
>>6633669
perspective made easy. book. read.
>>6633651
how many girls have you asked out on date this year?
>>6633643
solid thick anime thot
>>6633422
i sometimes spot mistakes AFTER i post it on /ic and at that point my art is online on 3 different public places. So it is over
>>6633283
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/160
>>6633154
pick up keys to drawing. it discusses drawing blind among hundred of other essential skills as well. Welcome to the BEG and PYW next time!
>>6633004
barely different. You are really scared of black color, aren you? Check photos https://www.liveabout.com/top-classical-ballets-1007022 to get a clue how drastic the contrast is on stage.Put real black spots on the red dude. His coat, every wrinkle can show full range clash
>>6632969
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/89
>>6632889
if you cannot see diff between now and month ago then there is a problem and you need PYW so anons can figure it out for you
>>6632826
respectable heads, but hard to recognize without context

This is what I did earlier so I know there's potential there for color hatching.

>>6633800
Books and such feel too unstructured for me, if I didn't live in Butthole, Nowhere I would just pay for an instructor to get me into the basics within a few months instead of floundering on my own for a year.

>>6633800
>if you cannot see diff between now and month ago then there is a problem and you need PYW so anons can figure it out for you
... I haven't quite hit a month yet, this go around at least. Tomorrow will be one month having missed only one day. I don't have images from more than about 10 days apart that are studying the same thing / finished to a similar level.

Any reccomendations for a photo editor on android that can stitch together pictures easily? Just so I can slap multiple pages of work into one image.

>>6633803
that's not great hatching, hatch along with the form if you're gonna cross hatch change the angle subtly. Remember even when you're shading- you're still drawing, you want those lines to look good and keep in mind the shadow shape.

>>6633861
Yeah, shadow shape. Good call.
That was trying to get the color right more than anything, but I'll keep the shadow shape in mind when picking the angle.

>>6633765
It's that the facial features are not properly aligned with the heads. It makes the skulls look super huge.
There are some problems besides the heads. If the blue figure is laying on top of the red figure, then the breasts should be pressed against her back. If blue is straddling red, then her butt should be higher to accommodate red's hip, and blue's butt wouldn't be that visible in this pose. The easy solution would be to hide blue's body behind red. Otherwise, you're looking at reworking the pose.

>>6633800
>technique from bargue drawing course released at 1875 and it is just describing method art schools were teaching since like 16th century. And anons look at it in 2023 and praise krenz like he invented it
Makes me wonder what the most recent truly novel developments have occured, both in art instruction and our understanding of illustration in general.

>>6633800
>Put real black spots
Yeah I do think that using actual black in painting is a big nope, mainly because the instances where a shadow is actually black are really rare, and makes things really muddy, so it's best used for background and less important stuff, or when you want a particular style

>>6633899
>>6633800
Also my tablet just fucking broke
I guess it's staying like that

Feels like it's starting to click, I think I'll stick to sketching for another week or two before I move on to fundies

changed and removed some things since last thread still iffy

Thank you so much, this helps me a ton. >>6633800. I did not know Krenz accuracy practice and Bargue drawing course.

I am >>6633062

>>6634135
* Krenz accuracy practice and Bargue drawing course were practically the same

I thought I was doing this right, except for my side circle being an oval instead of a circle, but I'm confused as to how much I'm far I'm supposed to be putting the nose and hairline lines from the brow line. How far away from the brow line are the nose and hairline lines supposed to be, so I know how to calculate it for different perspectives?

>>6634142
basically the top of the circle/oval is the hairline and the bottom is the nose, the middle goes through the eyes.

This method was usually too vague and simplistic for me so I tend to mix it with the reilly method to see more land marks, like the placement of the eye mouth etc.

>>6633870
thx

>>6633685
Nice, legs could be longer though

bros…

>>6634142
don't curve the lines on the far side like that for now just keep it straight

>>6634276
those were just left over lines I couldn't be assed to delete
>>6634144
reilly method seems good. thanks anon

>>6634142
You cant even draw around the ball.

based AI tracingchads
is this the future?

>>6634438
This shit is making me depressed. I wanted to make money off real art. It's literally over. Everyone does this now.

>>6634473
It's just one more step in a long line. Before this there was tracing 3d models. The only solution is to make your art as hard for machines to replicate as possible. Traditional in general is a step in the right direction. But within that you can go further.
I find it hard to see a future in which it's ever practical or economical to try automating mural painting. Sure, there are faux mural prints that can be done, but while niche there is still demand for actual mural painting.

>>6634438
I tried it, but it's not worth it for me, it's just so unsatisfying to do.

>>6634511
It's sad that people with integrity always get fucked in every aspect of life.

Have you ever taken an intentional 1 to 2 week break from drawing to "recharge"? What did you notice when you came back? Were you better? Worse? Was it worth it?

>>6634528
>>6632682

>>6634527
Integrity doesn't mean being a dumbass
You're mistaking being a bitch for being Machiavelli

>>6634527
Perhaps. But what's the alternative? I'd rather remain with my integrity intact, as much as that's possible.
Plus, it's cooler to know that you can draw whatever you want without any AI at all

Imagine drawing for fun.

Jesus approves
>>6634572
>> Imagine not having fun

I was able to use some stuff I learned from courses & looking at other art so I'm pretty proud. First ever painting

>>6632809
How is this, /ic/?
>inb4 stiff pose
I know, and don't know how to correct it yet.

>>6634438
just ask for his process and watch him slink away like a rat

attempted keys to drawing today. i think i got a little unfocused and didn’t really do restatements that the book talks about.

>>6634600
>Composition's ok
>Shadows under the figures look ok
>No background to speak of
>Obvious problems with the figure
I imagine the characters are on top of a balding man's head. The only advice that I have is to keep studying.

>>6632809
is copying good for u?

What can I do to improve this sketch?

>>6632837
Kinda looks like Rakeemspoon's stuff

>>6634644
Studying what? Everything?
It's suposed to be a meadow

>>6634658
It depends on your reasons for copying.
>>6634677
You could try adding more value.
>>6634681
>Studying what? Everything?
Yes.
>It's suposed to be a meadow
I know what it's supposed to be. I'm just saying it looks like the top of a balding guy's head.

>>6634658
I hope so. Some of my practice is spent copying from scenes in manga and anime to kind of... internalise the stylistic choices and proportions and so on.
I dunno if it's helping.
Fun tho

>>6634764
It gets easier to copy over time as you get faster and more accurate, so there's that. Also, some things actually do stick, but you still want to study art you really like properly.

>>6633800
Pawell what the FUCK is happening with those values and drapery
Top of monk bro's head is too close to the top of the frame, I'd extend the canvas a tiny bit so there's a wee bit more space for the lad.
His feet are different sizes, despite being in the same location and not extreme perspective, as well as the ground weirdly curving under neath him. For a stone stairway, this seems highly unlikely that the stairs are this fucked unless it was made by goblins.
You wrote down cobwebs which you could've added with a small brush texture brush (like a pencil one) and lightly drawing in white glistening in the corners and the walls to lead the eye around the figure and through the composition but failed to do so.
The drapery you keep building using these parallel shapes when you really should use more tapered, triangular ones to showcase the direction in a more appealing way, and you have no sense of how the dark values should be grouped together on one side instead of haphazardly thrown around on the body.
Also, his shoulders, neck and the perspective of the bricks painted on the wall is wrong.
Head's decent though.

>>6634511
Anon did you draw that? That looks super cute! Blog?

2 hour portrait from life. Roast me

>>6634778
i would if i could but idk how to do portraits either

>>6634778
well I have no idea what the guy you drew looks like so it's kinda hard but the mouth looks a bit weird and feels like it's too high up

>>6634778
Mouth looks like he's pouting. Can't be sure without a ref. Eyes are definitely misaligned though, and it looks like you got lazy with the trapezius area on the left. Hair line should be rotated clockwise about 10 degrees to match the perspective of the other facial feature lines on Should be fixable with a little bit of elbow grease, as long as you drew lightly

>>6634698
Ok thanks for the feedback, Anon!

>>6632809
What does /ic/ think of this?

>>6634778
what a waste of time

>>6634842
You don't draw.

>>6634835
Neck/Head connection is bad. Head is an acorn. The shadows on the arms looks like she's been cutting.

>>6632809
doodles from the last week or so - slowly getting better at colouring - or at least I think so - latest is the Patti drawing (blonde with the abs)

>>6634913
helps If I include the picture

Hello! Today I don't want to kill myself.

>>6634882
Thanks for the feedback, my dude

Testing brushes.

>>6634142
why are you using a tutorial that looks shit?
do you honestly strive to draw like pic rel?

>>6634924
Why not?
What's so different today?

>>6634971
I made a pity thread on reddit and recieved mental health support from strangers

now that I think about it, I think I want to kill myself again.

>>6634638
I'm also doing the hand exercise and being a guy that couldn't even draw a stick figure 2 days ago I'm fucking proud like what the fuck let's gooooo

>>6634835
It's worth about fiddy cent.

This doesn't work with gel pens. You can't draw light enough.

I should either just use red, black, blue, green; or go back to colored pencil.

I can't find brown and yellow ballpoint cheap. Best I can find is a set for $16. Anyone know where you can buy bic cristal yellow and brown by the box?

>>6634988
>>>/trash/ where you belong

>>6634997
That's not very based of you anon. She likes it, thats why she's doing the peace signs

>>6634979
Kek, whatever you say, man

>>6634988
>>6635001
Fuck you
>Verification not required.

>>6634962
It's way too dark man
>inb4 someone says "of course it's dark, it's night" and calls me a retard

>>6634988
good post

>>6634989
if you are using pens to color I would suggest looking into fountain pens. There are a lot of different color inks you can get.

>>6634988
I'm not racist when I'm horny

>>6635018
The point (lol) was ballpoint pens are cheap. I tried fountain pens first, and have had some success learning with them. They aren't suited to this kind of shit either. What they are good for is you can go over the ink with a water brush pen as they are water soluble.

just started learning to animate

>>6635079

>>6635079
>>6635081
>smeared motion
gmi

>>6633779
Now draw it from imagination.

>>6635084
You're supposed to draw from imagination?

>>6635102
It depends on who you ask. honestly if you're an absolute beginner then don't worry about drawing from imagination, you need to build your visual library and focus on hand-eye coordination and accuracy foremost.
You'll want to step out of the comfort zone and push your knowledge eventually.

>>6635108
NTA but I've asked before when you ought to start drawing from imagination and I've never got a real answer.

>>6635150
It's a philosophical question. There's never a bad time to do drawings from imagination, but if you're a complete beginner you don't know how to draw anything, which is why you should spend the VAST majority of your time drawing from reference until you're more confident with drawing things accurately.
When you can consistently copy reference images and have a solid understanding of perspective/construction you generally should break from your comfort zone and make full images of things from memory. You can then see what you struggle with most and practice that, repeat ad infinitum.

If you want an example of what happens when you never draw from imagination just look at Proko.

>>6635150
I eased into it by doing cafe sketches. You sit in a coffee shop, and sketch. Since it's rude to stare, you just glance at someone, then draw what you remember. You force yourself to construct the person, from basic forms, to anatomy, to clothes.

Construction is the key to drawing from imagination, but don't overthink it. Morpho: Simplified Forms, is all you need for construction, then you just adapt the shapes to every body part by stretching and squashing it

I feel fat and happy. The workday is over, I had dinner, and have run out of motivation to draw today because of this. How do you counteract this?

>>6634677
What do we think of this? I'm pretty new to digital art
>>6634698
Thanks. I hope this makes it look better

>>6635102
>>6635108
>>6635150
>>6635157
I tried as a beg to exclusively draw from imagination and construct figures. I hit a wall really fast and was stuck there until I started using references.
The problem in having now is that I spend such an agonizingly long time trying to get a subject accurately that I do very little.

Working my way through ctrl-paint.

>>6635165
I did Marvel and am still trying to apply it to photo references. Maybe I'll try constructing from imagination once I feel better about drawing from photo.

>>6635173
sure. it's always good to get better at drawing accurately. Take some time to jump into imagination drawing though. You don't need to redraw photo references from memory, just make your own characters and build scenes

>>6635166
Sketch at work.

>>6635169
gonna be honest
the fingers look kinda weird and sausage like

Should I bother to clean my lineart?

>>6635172
The leaves would benefit from a light outline

>>6635180
Nah, it looks great, with the exception of the skirt, which needs line variety.

finished

>>6635191
Black Jack is a twink now?

>>6635083
i appreciate it anon :) putting in a good effort

I don't see any major inaccuracies but this feels very lifeless.

>>6635215

>>6635176
Post references for me to sketch at work tomorrow

How do I make this look less amateurish?

Heres a question for you all that I can't seem to wrap my head around as /beg/. So, I will begin a sketch, and continue to work on it for hours. Eventually it gets to a point where I am satisfied with it, and I think it looks decent. But then I start on another one and I find it incredibly difficult. Like I feel like Im getting lucky sometimes and dont understand how I drew some of these things, like I just cant figure it out.

>>6635218
Draw it a second time.
>>6635222
Where's the question?

>>6635222
I can theorize about how it works. But It kind of just happens.

>>6635222
Maybe certain subjects give you more of a spark

>>6635215

>>6635215
It's just a matter of proportions, anon. Widths and thicknesses of forms count as proportions too. Your sense for it will build up the more you draw. It's like "rifle practice", where you just gotta keep aiming to hit bullseye

>>6635255
);

>>6635261

>>6635261
>>6635265
You're right, I didn't copy the photo references. I just kept the internal proportions of the figure consistent

>>6635269
Not my point

>>6635271
>life is when i copy exactly whats in the photo
ngmi

>>6635276
Buddy, what? I think you have lost the plot.

>>6635271
what was your point? Drawing from imagination begins when you walk away from your dependency on copying

>>6635280
>Drawing from imagination begins
What makes you think I was trying to? I am just trying to practice accuracy.

what are some good resources for learning design drafting? i'm not looking for doing stuff with dimensions, i learned a bit about that in an intro to mech e class in college, but i'm looking for something that'll help me build up drawing skills related to mechanical forms. i just wanna make nice looking sketches for all the bullshit projects i do in my spare time
i feel like robertson's how to draw is probably great, but is there anything else i could use alongside it?

>>6635285
You don't want to draw from imagination? All you ever want to do is copy what you see? Really? If so, you should've spent an hour drawing the reference. Atelier people spend 2 weeks drawing the same pose.

I saw that you were constructing everything, so I just assumed you eventually want to draw from imagination.

>like to draw in bed
>can't read/reference books easily there
bwehh

>>6635297
I can readily admit you are better at drawing than me but you are incredibly schizoid. Non sequitur after non sequitur.

>>6635218
I think the jagged line brush makes it look amateurish, try using a smoother brush.

>How do I draw from imagination?
>Am I supposed to draw from imagination or just copy references?
Seriously/ic/ come on what the fuck

>>6635307
Every time you have more than 5 minutes of free time uninterrupted you're gonna take a fucking pencil and draw whatever is within your cone of vision
FOR 2 YEARS
then you may consider opening Loomis

>>6635300
sorry. I had a whole 2 paragraphs typed up, but I just gave up and deleted it and wrote that. I may have skipped a few steps. My point is, the proportions of your figure need work, and that's the thing you're supposed to be truly studying when you do figure drawing. It doesn't matter if my redline wasn't photographically exact to your reference. I tried to correct the widths and thickness of the parts. Doesn't matter if the pose isn't the same. I suggest that this be your goal when studying too. The most important part to learn are the three dimensional parts of the figure. The more fluent you get at drawing, the more easily this comes.

Atelier folk, on the other hand, spend hours and hours copying the figure, because all they care about is the optical duplication of what they see. If you're "just" trying to practice accuracy, then you need to spend a lot more time, to achieve this photographic duplication. BUT, if your goal is to draw from imagination, which I assume it is, learning the 3d forms of the body is more important.

I don't know, I could talk about drawing for days and days. Let me know if you have more questions. Don't just write me off as schizoid, just because you don't get it.

>>6633524
Source.

10 min sketch practice

>>6635215
No gesture. Chicken scratching. Stiffness overall. Symbol anatomy.

>>6635314
It's just one from quickposes.
>>6635315
At no point was I attempting to discredit your drawing based on it not being the same pose. I was impressed by it capturing the feeling despite very much not being the same pose. The reason I am calling you a lost schizoid is because you continue to argue against things that I haven't said despite my attempts to correct your interpretation of my posts.

>>6635216
How is she even balancing on that?

>>6635333
checked
uh, with her outstretched leg, i'd assume. in the first place, that pose is pretty balanced. a good portion of her mass is centered above the pillar

>>6635338
Yes but she'd be shaking uncontrollably.

>>6635329
>>6635315
Anyways in attempt to pre empt what I think is likely to be your response before I go to sleep, I am practicing the way I am right now because there's endless amount of conflicting information about art online, and I am still trying to figure out what works best for me. For a quick example, David Finch says this about gesture
>The point is to get comfortable with quickly drawing in your basic shapes in a variety of poses
Which to me implies trying to construct the model using basic shapes, and specifies I should be drawing from reference. Proko is the other guy I have watched a video on gesture from, and iirc he specifically talks about avoiding specific countours and more or less making a stick figure starting with the line of action, and noting maybe noting some landmarks. These are not at all the same conception of gesture, and your opinions are just another conflicting opinion on the "correct" way to practice.

>>6635329
I always try my hardest to be open to conversation after a critique, because that can clarify any questions people have after. I'm not arguing a point, just explaining my position. There's no argument to be had. I'm sorry you think I'm making no sense. You can explain to me what you were attempting to point out by overlaying my drawing over the photo, because clearly I don't understand.

>>6635341
I already stated as clearly as I can in my previous post. I posted my stiff lifeless drawing, and then yours to contrast the two, because "I was impressed by it capturing the feeling despite very much not being the same pose." I can see where you might have been confused by me just posting the photos, but I am baffled how that explanation is unclear.

What the fuck are you two even fighting about?

>>6635339
hmm. i mean maybe, yeah, i just don't really see it. she might just have good core strength? that's a huge factor in balance. like she's looking upwards, but her neck is craned forwards, so i don't think she'd be inclined to naturally fall backwards. it looks like her hip bones are still on the pillar, her right leg isn't pushing into her torso, etc

>>6635346
Well thanks for your compliment. No hard feelings, right?

>>6635348
this ain't arguing, it's debate!

>>6635340
I always defer to Finch. Everyone else has strange baggage. Finch is an actual pro, so his advice should hold

10 minute sketch

>>6635176

Id appreciate any critiques on this study

>>6635427
Flick your eyes back and forth. It's immediately obvious that your face is too long. Work big to small, measure, and double check. You should have caught that in the preliminary stages.

>>6635420
It's hard to make straight lines using a steering wheel for a desk.

>>6635559
if you're going to sketch buildings and whatever is around you truck-kun faggot you should at least get a ruler

>>6635559
completely missed the point. it wasnt about your linework but the angle, you lack perspective knowledge.
>>6635608
terrible advice. thats not how you improve

>>6635310
Either 4d crab or genuinely retarded

falling asleep during the last few

>>6635612
i guess all those pros that use rulers and perspective guides also aren't improving
fucking retard

>>6632809
Practicing how to draw lolis. I feel like pic rel dosent look loli enough

>>6635651
here you go

>Finally stop being a lazy bumfuck
>Draw a 10 page comic
>Sleep
>Wake up
>Comic decides to delete itself from existence
So how do I kill myself? Any suggestions

some drapery studies based on Kaneko artwork. question for ints itt: when were you able to start producing dynamic looking clothing folds without reference? what is your favoured way to practice?

>>6635628
those pros are making final illustrations for paid work. you ever see someone in public sketching with a ruler on hand? they'd look like you, an absolute downie.

>>6632926
here you go anon :)

>>6635665
Do it again.

Can anyone explain to me how to place a neck on a head so it doesn't look absolutely shit?

>>6635770
post your work so people know what you are doing wrong

>>6635751
Do it again? Lmao nice joke my guy i ain't doing all that

>>6635804
Why? It's great practice

>just draw
just draw WHAT

>>6635804
see it as a punishment of fate. Maybe you have to do better this time

>>6635829
>prompt maker
>study an art piece you really like
>fanart?
or a skeleton with books in its chest idk it comes down to your decision and artistic intent

>>6635834
>prompt maker
>>random garbage that is either absolute dribble or ridiculously hard
>study an art piece you like
uh, yeah I guess I could just copy the lines.
>fanart
Fanart of WHAT
>skeleton with books in its chest
Jesus christ I cant even draw a book much less a skeleton.

>>6635836
dude if you dont want to draw its not my problem. Dont you have some goals with your art you want to achieve?
>uh, yeah I guess I could just copy the lines.
mixing it with a new pose
>Fanart of WHAT
i am not you, we can not answer the question of what you like and what motivates you

>>6635842
Buddy, my goal is to draw well. I dont fucking know.
>mixing it with a new pose
What.
>what you like and what motivates you
Well I suppose theres like a couple games with characters I like. Wouldn't say thats really motivating though. I dont want to draw them shittily though.

>>6635845
if you want to draw well then you have to improve and you only improve if you fail miserably a lot of times. If you cant accept failure try again, but start drawing, even if you cant do it.

if you want it structured to improve faster there are gesture drawings, Landscape studies etc.

>>6635829
go on Pinterest, find something cool, sketch it to the best of your ability

>>6633803
Study R.Crumb, it is your destiny.

Cylinderrrrrrssss

>>6635893
Why are the bottoms all flat.

>>6635900
because they are on a flat table... next dumb question!?!?!

>>6635920
thats not how perspective works anon :(

>>6635920
What table.

>>6635920
Are you a Lovecraft creature surrounded by non-euclidean geometry?
It's a dumb question because you obviously are, or you're retarded

>>6635900
Ignore the other idiot. Its because I dont know how to draw them but thats the point of it. To draw them, at all. Im following a youtube course because I hate books.
That said, I did try to make them at least a bit rounded

>>6635927
I only know how cubes look in perspective how do round things work

>>6635953
Nta but ok that makes sense.

>>6635956
>>6635953

Top curve should be identical to bottom curve, like the top line would be parallel to the bottom line in a cube.

>>6635971
Yea I tried to do that big man

>>6635976
try actually drawing from life put a bottle on a table and draw what u see

>>6635979
Youtube man doesnt call for that. Im following his shit before anything else. I learn VERY academically and structured so I need to complete this first in order to actually learn anything.

>>6634988
>mogs anon while providing good, actually appealing paintover
>also manages to be based and funny simultateously
all right, you fucking win anon. good job

>>6635992
who's vids are you following

and i get what ur saying and its good to have structure to study but u shouldnt ONLY be doing what the instructor says u gotta draw ur own stuff as well both to keep it fun AND apply what you're being taught

>>6635993
you're a troon or a pajeet
probably both

Is short gesture/figure drawing really beneficial for a low /beg/ after a certain point? Ive been doing 30min every day for the past month and i feel like I can grasp form a little bit better now but i feel like I kind of regressed after a certain point

Also tips for improving line confidence? I dont chicken scratch as much as i used to but I restate too much

>>6635997
Marc Brunet. 'Learn to draw in 30 days'
Im not expecting to actually do that, but he gives a bunch of excersises so im doing them.
>gotta draw ur own stuff
jumping the gun, I gotta get some ideas first pal.
>keep it fun AND apply what you're being taught
Look, im sure it gets fun at some point, but right now? Theres no possible way i'm gonna have fun at my level. As for applying, I dont want draw any 'real' piece shittily, cause i'll never let myself live it down.

>>6636003
im telling u right now true enlightenment is getting over the urge of making "real pieces"

if u sit and mull over every bad drawing u make you're never gonna have a sketchbook FULL of bad drawings that you can look back on and say "wow i've really improved"

i cant really imagine you getting too far if you have no real creative drive and you dont wanna make anything unless its perfect, you gotta squash that bug right now. studying is very important but if its all you do and you never draw anything for urself you're gonna get burnt out very quick

Any advice (or software) to help me get better at drawing exaggerated poses and proportions?

>>6636001
Nope, I'm just a bored white guy. Sorry to dash your dreams anon.

>>6636013
Right. Same old advice I hear every time I come to this board. I'll let you know when it decides to leave my brain after over 2 decades of dictating every decision ive ever made.
I'll continue with the course now.

>>6636003
You have hard times ahead of you and you're ultimately going to quit no wiser than when you started.

>>6636016
Turn your brain on.

>>6636021
Ive quit and come back about 6 times over the past 3 years. Funny that, isnt it? I keep coming back? Seems to me like I'll get there eventually.

>>6636002
i get it cus i still chicken scratch too out of habit sometimes but the true answer is just dont. just draw the shape or line you're trying to make in one move. i think its like skateboarding you gotta trust ur hand for balanced lines to come

>>6636016
u could watch cartoons that feature characters like that or maybe do some master studies of caricature art

>>6636020
im just saying man if you're hearing it from a bunch of people its probably true. its good u have perseverance but isnt the point of u studying to draw to draw? how will you know if you're making improvements if all you do is study? its not like after all the effort you put in youll just be able to wake up and make your magnum opus

>>6636025
Definition of insanity.

>>6636002
>Also tips for improving line confidence?
Draw with a think brush, in a few months when you're comfortable with the thick brush switch back to the fineliner.

>>6636030
>how will you know if you're making improvements if all you do is study?
Thats all I CAN do. Seriously. Its either this, or I dont improve at all. Either way you wont like it, so i'll keep doing the course.
But, what is it you want anyway? I mean, I have nothing in mind to draw in the first place, sure there are characters I eventually want to draw, but to try them now? Coming up with an idea for how to draw them could take months for me, im abhorrent at ideas.

>>6636019
>white
so you're a fat amerimutt
got it

We're not going to make it.

>>6636002
Lain in the bottom right corner. It's over anon, sorry. Try to be less scribbly with the 1-2 min poses. Also I don't see a line of action anon...

>>6636058
>>>/biz/

>>6636052
Close. I wish I was fat, I'm just skin and bones unfortunately. Metabolism too high, get my ass back to the gym more often to gain any weight, haha

>>6635804
Then fucking wallow in your pain and shut the fuck up

>>6635829
Draw your penis

>>6636062
Yea id been trying to focus on form more...

new thread?

>>6636117
Why
These threads have become pretty shit lately, maybe it's better to take a break

How do you get the right angles and proportion ? I'm tried to do this pose but had to redo it until I sorta gave up. This was my first time trying to do a figure study

>>6636223
I think you just need to do more of them to get any real actionable feedback, firstly to get a feel for the process, secondly to better crystalize the aspects you consistently end up being bad at after that.

>>6636223
are you constructing it or are your just doing shape stuff?

>>6636240
I sorta do big lines and break them up further and further until I get the shape that I want. I don't know if it's the right method but I'm trying to do what the students in my local fine arts school did when I walked past them.

>>6636251
do your big lines have the correct angles and proportions? do you check?

>>6636254
>do your big lines have the correct angles and proportions? do you check?
That's kind what I'm asking, how to check ?

>>6636259
there's different techniques but it boils down to measuring
try finding a reference length somewhere and compare that across the figure, or drawing lines and simple polygons between landmarks and compare

why does it look weird

>>6635877
I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted.
I'm familiar with r crumb. I saw the movie.

>>6636322
>>6636322
>>6636322

New bread
>>6636322
>>6636322

why does my rending here look so muddy on the faceplate?