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Sounds promising.

>> No.6630488

>>6630484
> damn fool being positive about Musk
> nigga must own a Tesla or a SpaceX

>> No.6630491

>>6630484
Nobody is on twitter anymore dude

>> No.6630492
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6630492

>another ploy to try to sell blue

>> No.6630504

>>6630491
after all the threads of fags whining about the buyout, no one came to any conclusion of what sites to use. not even tiktok.
>>6630492
Fuck, ill give it a go. i dont like redirecting followers to multiple sites to view shit.
>From youtube go to my twitter and also go to my patreon, remember to subscribe to them all.

>> No.6630506

>>6630484
>>6630492
So how much of a cut are they taking? I'm guessing in the 20-30% range like youtube. Porn will definitely be banned or severely limited after the initial hype because they're bound to Stripe and they do no accept porn whatsoever.

At the very least this can kill hanger on services like patreon.

>> No.6630518

>>6630492
> complaining for having to pay for a service
you don't run a business on kind thoughts and kisses anon

>> No.6630536

>>6630504
>Fuck, ill give it a go
Remember that you need to at least earn 10 bucks from your followers just to afford blue.
Also, it is highly unlikely that people will pay on such a disorganized and flimsy platform like twitter where clients could lose access to their profiles for any dumb reason and the site changes features like underpants.
Not to mention how this has just given fake and botted pornspam accounts more reason to be on the platform, because there are a lot of them who pay for blue.
So, you will be drowned out by bots and if you don't already have your following now, you ain't ever getting it.
On patreon, you and your patrons at least have full control and organized viewing and posting, while clients can also effortlessly organized their content.
>>6630506
>Porn will definitely be banned or severely limited after the initial hype because they're bound to Stripe and they do no accept porn whatsoever.
We'll see about that.
I would find it weird if they take a cut of your earning though---
>>6630518
-- since you're already paying for blue for even having the possibility of earning money on their platform.
It's like paying your boss so you can show up for work and you're competing with your co-workers to find things to do so that you can get paid for the work you did.
Monetizing earning is the most retarded shit one can do and only retards will fall for it.
On youtube, they take a cut, but they don't want you to pay a subscription so you can earn money.

>> No.6630552

>>6630536
> It's like paying your boss so you can show up for work and you're competing with your co-workers to find things to do so that you can get paid for the work you did.
No, not at all. You've got no boss telling you what to do, no random people to work with.

They rent you some tools for you to work with and generate value. This is a service, that they have the right to price as they wish. Want extra visibility? You pay. Want to make money directly on our platform without the hassle of setting up account elsewhere (who will also take a cut btw)? You pay.

The problem is, we've grown since forever in a "free" Internet setting, and it's hard to get rid of this habit.

>> No.6630561
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6630561

>>6630492
>requirements
>500 followers

Ah that’s nice. I don’t even have enough followers to have my money accepted by a company trying to make money. Didn’t think I could feel worse sitting at 90 followers. Even twitter itself thinks I’m less than a subhuman bot. Want to die.

>> No.6630568

>>6630536
its more like paying to lease out a building or kiosk at the mall because it has high foot traffic.
my only gripe is their shit algorythim. tiktoks is fucking simple
>you liked that video? Heres more like it from other creators
is it that fucking hard?

>> No.6630578

>>6630561
Same here, can't even get 200 followers. Getting to my first 100 felt like an insanely hard slog. Having trouble getting to 200, let alone 500.

>> No.6630582

>>6630552
Nah, i ain't paying to earn money on the internet where i basically have to compete with millions of other people at the same time, making my % of ever earning anything even lower than they already would be if i had 100k followers.
This will just turn into another California Gold Rush where many will pay, but only few will have success with it.
I might as well just try my luck in a casino.
>>6630561
The only solution will be to buy bots.
>>6630568
>its more like paying to lease out a building or kiosk at the mall because it has high foot traffic.
No, it's not since your profile is not a real place that is governed by the algorithm you hate.

>> No.6630586

>>6630491
>>6630504
You don't hate him for making Twitter pay for play. You hate him because of politics. Fuck you leftists faggots

>> No.6630607

>>6630582
>No, it's not since your profile is not a real place that is governed by the algorithm you hate.
yeah it is. its there even if you dont see it. thats how Object Permanence works ya goof.
the algorithn sucks, but it does favor subscribers. hense the buying of digital foot traffic.
in conjunction with twitter, ill have to do what i hate and redirect followers to my twitter.

>> No.6630608

>>6630607
*redirect traffic from tiktok to my twitter.

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6630611

>>6630607
Whatever you say. I'm still not paying for that shit.

>> No.6630614

>>6630611
cool cool, didnt expect (you) to. thats like selling oranges to an orange farmer. im sure you can draw.

>> No.6630622

>>6630582
>Nah, i ain't paying to earn money on the internet
I mean, you do what you want, but conceptually, paying for a service is a normal thing. Then you can obviously choose not to use the service ofc.

My guess is that, most people here potentially interested in it are doing coom. And obviously, that's easy money and you have fierce, worldwide competition, without an intrinsic need nor appreciation for quality, except for the few casual exceptions.

For more normal businesses, it may actually be worthwhile.

>> No.6630628

>>6630586
Aren't we doing an awful lot of assuming here anon?

>> No.6630643

>>6630518
>paying for twitter
I may be on 4chan 24/7 but I'm not that terminally online.

>> No.6630653

>>6630561
Make bots

>> No.6630657

>>6630622
Except if the service is superfluous, especially when you're trying to sell in an oversaturated market such as art on a platform where the average user basically only looks less than a second at a picture.

If you ever played an older MMO, it's like paying for chat-megaphones to highlight your text in global chats.
Everyone has access to them and can buy them but the outcome is that now the global chat is just a bunch of gold-sellers spamming the global chat 24/7 since they outnumber real players 100:1, and the chat becomes some blur of text scrolling at escape velocity, which then gets ignored by the player base because it's just a bunch of spam anyways, thus making the chat-megaphone do nothing at all.

>> No.6630664

>>6630561
THATS A CUTE HITLER YOU DID THAT?

>> No.6630677
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>>6630657
As i decided to drop art for a while and venture into other professions i realized that with 8 billion people on this planet, very few markets are not oversaturated.
you got to spend money to make money, as they say, and unfortunately, i got to make a living so i got to get to competing. no easy way around it.

>> No.6630686

>>6630677
But if you pay for a tiny chance of getting your work seen by an uncaring, mind absent audience while competing with countless others doing the exact same thing, for a miniscule chance to monetize your work for the even smaller possibility to make an actual living that it's worth spending money on it, nigga, you're fucking retarded. Go buy stocks or something. Sell lemonade on the street. Literally go play slot machines. You'll have higher chance of making a living with it.

By the amount of outright desperation even big nsfw artists ooze out and their constant advertising, even when they should've earned enough to actually retire, makes one think that something is not really what it seems.

But to be fair, people do really thinking that by working they'll get rich when it's in fact those who break rules and scam people who get all the success.

>> No.6630690

>>6630484
I hate this faggot

>> No.6630750

>>6630686
Wow, That's your advice.
Don't waste money there, waste money here.
It sounds like no option is a good option from your point of view so my option isn't a problem and really isn't up for debate.

>> No.6630760

>>6630750
Faggot, even the alternatives are a waste of money but if your goal is to make a living, you have higher raw chances playing the lottery.

Do what you want, but then don't complain that no one told you so when it turns out to be like i said.

>> No.6630764

>>6630578
It's more about connections and kissing up to the right people. Also might have to sell your dignity a bit and do some memeshit drawings.

Do some fanart of a bigger artist's OC, they can RT and give you a boost.

>> No.6630788
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6630788

>>6630686
> But to be fair, people do really thinking that by working they'll get rich when it's in fact those who break rules and scam people who get all the success.
True. Just look no further than Enron and Bernie Madoff. Just literal corporations of conmen grifting retards out of their paychecks while literally making jokes about the serfs suffering below them. Don’t believe me, watch the documentaries, listen to the recorded convos.

Work hard is a meme, unless we are talking about skill attainment but even that is becoming a meme with the uprising of AI that can essentially do the same thing as an artist who dedicates a lifetime to the craft.

By my nature I won’t partake in unsavory practices but yeah scam cheat and steal to profit and then don’t get caught = success. Work hard = slave labor for slave wages. Self-help fags like tony robins and that annoying Jew fuck who got boosted by his father’s wine business are conmen grifters too and should be castrated for leading regular people to believe an outright lie.

>> No.6630851

>>6630491
Two more weeks, right?

>> No.6630868

>>6630586
I don't even use Twitter but seeing the shitshow that been happing since the buyout, I don't know why would you want to rush to defend Musk as his personal keyboard warrior

>> No.6630872
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6630872

>>6630788
The world is run by liars for liars and honest people have no place in it.
Everyone tries to fuck over everyone else and everyone is always on edge to not get fucked over by someone else who will fuck them over when the chance arises and everyone knows that everyone else is trying to fuck them over while they are trying to fuck over everyone else.

The only escape is either genocide, or fucking over everyone else in an attempt to reach a position where no one can fuck you over easily and keep the rat race going.
You lose either way, but hey, at least you can buy yourself consumer products, opioids and spirits to distract yourself from the abhorrent reality we are forced to live in just because one monkey at the beginning of time, decided he wanted all the bananas for himself just to have all the bananas for himself so he would never starve.
It's such a joke, i don't know whether i am crying because it's so tragically funny or because it's so tragic you can do nothing but laugh.

>> No.6630883

>>6630868
People act absolutely hysterical and psychotic over evil Tesla. It makes you want to shake them and tell em to stop being so emotional over something that has zero impact on their life

>> No.6630935

>>6630872
>The only escape is either genocide
Im working on it. I'm inserting subliminal messages into my work in order to entice the proletariat to rise up and depose their jewish masters. And if it weren't for that one word you'd be calling me a commie, lol.

>> No.6630961

>>6630883
> tell em to stop being so emotional over something that has zero impact on their life
The fucking irony

>> No.6630983

>>6630561
>>6630578
And it's understandable that you're frustrated that you don't have the followers, but the cap is likely to make it worth you're while. Why start using the service if you're going to get absolutely nothing from it? Not even the amount you're spending on getting twitter blue?

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6631129

>>6630883
the impact on my life is that I see this fucking sociopathic retard and his disgusting internet shills being mentioned every single day, due to the aforementioned internet shills. I don't hate Elon Musk nearly as much as I hate his retarded goblin fanbase who tried to sell them as a "savior of mankind". fuck off with your cult of personality

>> No.6631136

>>6631129
>I hate his retarded goblin fanbase who tried to sell them as a "savior of mankind"
It's frustrating, because it's a reaction to the idiots who act as if Elon was going to buy the site, then immediately allow everyone to say every single slur leading to the death of all minorities in the world.
Idiots demonize the guy to an extreme (not even sure why he's so hated, he was loved before), then you have another group of idiots double down in defending the guy like a god or something.

>> No.6631169

>>6630484
Maybe five years ago, but there's no way to make money off art on Twitter post-AI, unless you're already established in which case you also already have a Patreon or Skeb or whatever and there's no need for this. Good news if you want to scam people with AI genned images though.

>> No.6631174

>>6631136
>then you have another group of idiots double down in defending the guy like a god or something.
issue is, they've been doing that for a long ass time, a lot of years. people who genuinely believed that he's gonna colonize mars in a couple of years, had even people at work who believed that. I hate him because he's a hyping scammer and acts like a 12 year old on the internet. nothing too outstanding there, there's a lot of people like him, but it's his braindamaged fan base that makes him relevant in the end. I also hate every single form of human worship

>> No.6631184

>>6630491
You must live in the timeline where all those celebrities actually moved to Canada when Trump was elected

>> No.6631201

>>6631174
Sure, I'd heard people like that before too, but when you have people hating on him so fervently for his stupid twitter posts (or whatever tame bullshit he's done), it just magically increases his fanbase.
It's a lot like trump, the harder people hate, the more people love him. It's a very frustrating cycle of stupidity.

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6631202

>>6631129
>>6631136
>>6631174
absolutely fucking obsessed holy shit. talk about twitter, retards

>> No.6631215

This is just patreon but you have to pay musk $7 plus tip a month.

>> No.6631221

>6630586
>Fuck you leftists faggots
Stop talking about politics and just keep to things you understand.

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6631254

>>6630561
>>6630578
>>6630764
How do you not have at least 300 lmao. Just do follow for follow, #artmoots, or search for #絵描きさんと繋がりたい (I want to connect with a painter). Like their arts, follow them and most of the time they'll follow you back (unless you draw some fucked up shit). Pic related, obviously you don't have to go that hard
>they don't follow me back after a week
Unfollow them after a week. Just don't follow/unfollow like 100 account in a day, that'll trip the twitter bot and get your account flagged
>but that's fake/cheap followers
Who the fuck care, you don't even have 100 followers. Worry about that when you get to 10k
>they follow me but don't like/retweet my art
Just remind them that you exist by liking/retweet their arts. You can even do some research by checking out their like column. If they have less than 1k likes and is an old account then don't bother with them.
>but it means they don't really care about my art
Better than nobody sees it at all.
I reach 400 in less than a month and now even very slowly gain organic followers that I don't have to follow back, thanks to my mutuals (or moots, asian slang) RT.
You have to work for your first 1000 followers.

>> No.6631412

>>6631254
Soo.. you kinda want to make yourself Stans?

>> No.6631454

>>6631254
all this shit just to not have to draw good art. Crazy.

>> No.6631463

>>6631129
You sound obsessed ngl

>> No.6631468

>>6631169
I never know if I should correct retarded claims like in your post or if I should let it slide and hope someone get psy-oped by it which would mean less competition for me

>> No.6631470

have to wait a few months to see how this works... blue is already shitting the bed so my hopes aren't up, most artists I have talked to will not renew their subs next month.
but hey who knows.

>> No.6631475

>Tap on "Monetization" in settings to apply today.
>Tap
Into the trash it goes

>> No.6631607

>>6631470
Even people who could easily afford the checkmark didn't buy it and Elon got clowned on when he bought it for them to make it look like people were buying. No one wants to pay for twitter shit, so rolling out more monetization in a desperate attempt to reclaim lost funds is like trying to bail out a sinking ship with a sieve.

>> No.6631685

>>6630536
>It's like paying your boss so you can show up for work and you're competing with your co-workers to find things to do so that you can get paid for the work you did.
>Monetizing earning is the most retarded shit one can do and only retards will fall for it.
>On youtube, they take a cut, but they don't want you to pay a subscription so you can earn money.
This. Also don't forget that people are already paying by involuntarily letting themselves be brainwashed by ads. "Content creators" are basically the most important employees of a social media company, but it's this newfangled thing where they don't have any rights. Capitalism just wants to fuck you over. The supercapitalist who bought Twitter is going all out about inventing new ways to fuck people over. Don't fall for it, don't defend it, or everyone's lives will only get worse.

>> No.6631726

>Be muskrat without mental retardation
>Eliminate blue
>Add checkmark system like youtube (aka post a certain number of followers different tiers)
>Implement adsense for all accounts after they reach a certain amount of following (aka Le grand Youtube)
>Monetize nsfw content on the guise of "artistic creations" (aka Le grand Imgur)
>Add paid subscriptions to content creators allowing tiers (aka Le grand Patreon)
>Monetize a percentage per adsense and subscriptions(aka Le grand Steam)
>Loved by the world
>Twitter increases stock 500% by midnight
>Literally most feared company in the world
>Use this to invest in colonizing mars
>Get your own planet

Why is elon so stupid?

>> No.6631764

>>6630492
Worst part is, i can see a lot of retards actually subbing to blue to squeeze a bit more money through twitter subs(which will have like 70-30 donation cut too at best)

>> No.6631819

>>6631202
how the fuck he smiles upside down

>> No.6631827

>>6631726
>Get your own planet
Man, I wish space was real

>> No.6631832

>>6630484
it's a good idea but
>nuke account for posting porn
>nuke account for posting porn
>nuke account for posting porn
>nuke account for posting porn
how does he expect to earn money if they keep doing this? seriosly

>> No.6631836

>>6630657
As I said:
>Then you can obviously choose not to use the service ofc.
As a business, it's not just that they have to right to monetize twitter, it's a legal obligation. Now you may not be their typical target client, and that's fine, you have to right to consider it's not worth your money.

But I'm confident, if they are doing it, they know they can grab some bucks with it. It may not be optimal (yet), and it's highly likely, but they are likely to tweak things along the way to make it more profitable for them.

If it's profitable for them to make it more profitable for people like you, then they may eventually do it.

>>6631726
>Why is elon so stupid?
Running a business is a long-term thing. You can't expect things to get perfect overnight. Your points are all fine, but purely theoretical. It's always when you put things into practice that difficulties arise.

It's like saying:
> Be /beg/ without mental retardation
> Make simple geometric volumes, put in perspective
> Refine those volumes recursively
> Add color
> Make millions of drawings/dollars
> Loved by the world

>> No.6631842

>>6631726
>Add checkmark system like youtube (aka post a certain number of followers different tiers)
this doesn't solve the bot problem. In fact, it make it worse

>> No.6631882

>>6630488
>hello sirs i would like to buy 2 spacex from you good sirs

>> No.6631900

>>6631882
>hello gentle man no problemo, please fill the bitcoin forms to receive 2 psacex to your pocket wallet, win a free basket of fruits to unsupport child unlabor not in Afghanistan

>> No.6631949

>>6631726
He thinks he's smart.

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>>6631836
I'm not saying that they should not be allowed to, but if one pays for that, they're not really smart give how that social media platform functions.
>if they are doing it, they know they can grab some bucks with it
Don't doubt that.

The critical thing is that if you want to offer a service for a fee, the service as a whole, has to be actually worth for the customer.

Imagine if you're paying you car mechanic a monthly fee with the promise of fixing your car instantly if something goes wrong, but the same mechanic also has other countless customers who pay for this service as well.
Well, now, if your car needs fixing and it so happens that a lot of other cars need fixing as well, you will be put in a queue and have to wait for other cars to be fixed first, basically making the fee you pay for that service, superfluous since it doesn't really offer the service it promises, due to offering the same service to countless other people as well.
>If it's profitable for them to make it more profitable for people like you, then they may eventually do it.
They could sell useless emotes or profile colors and it would be profitable.
They could sell golden poop emojis you can only use on the platform if you pay a certain monthly fee and it will be profitable.
Did you know that you can't even put a blue square/triangle/sphere emoji in your public name, least it could be seen as a blue checkmark?
>Now you may not be their typical target client
iIt doesn't exempt it from scrutiny.

Orgs/Companies need this checkmark to protect themselves from others impersonating them and running scams so they can keep advertising on the platform, even though it seems they are the ones causing the bot problem.
Pic related is just one freshly made bot i managed to catch.
A lot of those bots already follow those gold cms.

Tell me, why should anyone actually pay for a service that does nothing, on a platform overrun by bots and companies who will get priority over other paying users?

>> No.6632540

>>6630492
>active the past 30 years
all of /ic/ has failed this

>> No.6632600

>>6630491
where they at now?

>> No.6632635

>>6632600
On twitter, nobody left, the anon is just a massive faggot.

>> No.6632761

>>6632061
>Tell me, why should anyone actually pay for a service that does nothing, on a platform overrun by bots and companies who will get priority over other paying users?
The problem is, you assume Musk & cie are dumb and clueless. Again, evaluating a business strategy without expertise, without visibility, is pure gambling. You might be right, you might be wrong.

Give them 5, 10 years to see if they actually knew what they were doing, or spend countless unpaid hours to grow a real knowledge of the current situation, because whether you like it or not, your point of view, even if true, may simply be insignificant at scale.

You can't claim to have a more accurate knowledge of the state of affairs that the people actually running the business, and who are used to sell stuff (rather sucessfully).

>> No.6632769

>>6632761
> daddy elon knows better, look at small dick everybody.

nobody's talking about that, at a consumer's level blue is just not worth it. we don't give a shit about if twitter is making money, we don't want it to become a pay for play platform that would most likely reward people that need it the least.
Stop being a weirdo faggot and take your dunning kruger ass somewhere else retard.

>> No.6632775

lmao @ neon haired psychos hating elon, not a single logical and sane point expressed against him

>> No.6632777

>>6632775
he will never fuck you anon, nobody will ever fuck you...

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6632779

>>6632777
>he will never fuck you anon

>> No.6632783

>>6632777
you seem thoroughly fcked ngl

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6632805

>>6632761
Musk is famous for constantly trying things and seeing if it works later, it used to be the reason Reddit loved him before he leaned too much towards orange man.

The dude would wake up one day and decide he'd try selling flamethrowers, overpriced tequila, drill an entire tunnel network under Las Vegas and then vacuum seal it to have trains inside run at Mach 3, put chips in monkey's brains, and all kinds of stupid shit you'd have James Bond come after you for if he was real.

He's far from clueless, sure, but unlike all the other stuff he puts on the market, blue is a subscription service, the fact there's no guarantee he won't just do a 360 and radically change what Blue actually does every two months might be off-putting for a lot of people.

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6632812

>>6632761
Your whole argument seems based that i have to welcome and not question or criticize this based on
>"it's just a company and they're making business decisions."
As it stands right now in the whole service plus the platform as a whole; not worth the money.
>your point of view, even if true, may simply be insignificant at scale.
It is rather an educated opinion, considering everything around it. The only argument you've offered me is the same thing i posted above;
"They're a company, so shut up".
>You can't claim to have a more accurate knowledge of the state of affairs that the people actually running the business, and who are used to sell stuff
Success =/= Quality.
Does brand clothing sell for expensive prices because of the quality of clothing itself, or the brand it is associated with?
If a company makes success selling one thing, does that automatically mean whatever they do next will be also a big success?
If someone was offering a bad service, would you only be allowed to criticize the service if you offered a better one?
I can claim to have a healthy sense of critical thinking.

Whether they make it better or worth it, is not on the customer, but as of right now, i would not recommend paying for it.
It is also not the concern of customers to pay for something because; "It will be better in the future".
As a company, you either offer a product that is worth or you don't. Hoping or trying to convince people based on the fact that "it will become better", to put it in layman's terms; is absolutely and utterly fucking retarded.
Twitter already makes a lot of money from running ads, pushing brand accounts on feeds.
>The problem is, you assume Musk..
The real problem is that you assume about the one speaking, rather than arguing what has been said.
I'm just trying to portray and elaborate the situation as objectively as possible and building an opinion on it.

I get you're trying to play devil's advocate, but work on your argumentation please.

>> No.6632816

>>6632777
One cannot fill the void in their heart by sticking a cock up their ass.

>> No.6632840

>>6630492
>no activity
>no following
Found the fucking nodraw lmao

>> No.6632843

>>6630484
This dude is seriously trying to turn a $44B into 0.

>> No.6632844

>>6631726
lmao there's no %500 increase for Twitter. The company was dying when Elon bought it and it's dying even worse now that Elon is a massive fucking retard at managing it.

>> No.6632852

>>6632844
from 7500 to 1800 employees, and twitter is still running smooth, proof that commies hire useless-but-politically-aligned to feed them, since they have zero talent and that money is fake.
>t. seething high heel clueless IT woorker, workspace spa and red wine enjoyer

>> No.6632854

>>6632769
You haven't understood a thing I've said. Nothing.

>>6632805
Off-putting some people isn't necessarily bad. As an example, I wouldn't mind personally to be off-putting to woke people.

>>6632812
>Your whole argument seems based that i have to welcome and not question or criticize this based on
>"it's just a company and they're making business decisions."
> "They're a company, so shut up".
No.

The argument is: you DO NOT have sufficient knowledge to accurately evaluate of the situation, AT SCALE. What you see at your level might not be relevant at all at scale.

As examples: you have no idea what the competition is doing, no idea what the competition plans for the next 5/10 years, no idea what kind of market they are targeting, no idea what kind of potentially new players are coming to the market in whatnot country and so forth, no idea what they've learnt by surveying customers, etc.

OTOH, Elon & pals are, objectively, in a better position to evaluate the situation. It doesn't mean they will do the right thing, but they have much greater potential to do so than anyone here.

>work on your argumentation please
Anon... You take my words, transform them beyond recognition, put the result in my mouth, and judge me for it. I was very clear earlier: the core of my argument hasen't changed:
> evaluating a business strategy without expertise, without visibility, is pure gambling
You CANNOT know, because the little input you have is insufficient to conclude. It's like saying, I saw your brown hairs. Therefore I know your whole body is covered in brown hairs. That's nonsense.

>> No.6632878
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>this thread
All this shitass website does is complain about other sites, you all spent last decade calling everything reddit and now everything is Twitter

I can't wait for 2030 when another boogeyman website becomes your go-to scapegoat to bitch about instead of filtering and ignoring

>> No.6632921
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>>6632854
>The argument is: you DO NOT have sufficient knowledge to accurately evaluate of the situation, AT SCALE. What you see at your level might not be relevant at all at scale.
>You CANNOT know
So, basically, you do know, yet have not provided one single argument, proof or otherwise anything that supports your claims, instead you keep insisting on:
"You are wrong because you do not know because i say so."
You haven't made a single convincing argument but just appeal to authority i.e. "They're a company and they know what they are doing"
Over the simple fact that i would not recommend paying for this service, based on the platform and its current TOTAL state.
>Anon... You take my words, transform them beyond recognition, put the result in my mouth, and judge me for it
Are you fucking retarded or just illiterate?
It's what you are saying and even if it's not autistically word for word, the message you're relaying is the same; "They're a company and know what they're doing."

Ok, let me ask you the same thing; Do you know better that you can claim that the service they're offering is worth paying a monthly subscription for someone that doesn't have a famous business to run i.e. a private person or an artist that started from nothing while having to compete for the attention of a niche audience, where that niche is also flooded with bots?
As it stands now, you failed to deliver any critical information that might sway anyone with half a brain to agree with you.

>> No.6632939

>>6630484
This will kill NSFW art on twitter. And that is great news

>> No.6632995

>>6632775
>>6632878
At least take his cock off your mouth while samefagging

>> No.6633116

>>6632921
>It's what you are saying and even if it's not autistically word for word, the message you're relaying is the same; "They're a company and know what they're doing."
OK, I'll do it one more time, but at this point, I'm fairly convinced that either you're baiting, or you're 15, or you never had a math course in your life.

There's a firm difference between:

- "they know what they're doing";
- "they have more knowledge about the situation than you do, and are in better position than you to make an informed decision", or "they have more potential to be correct than you".

The latter doesn't even remotely imply the former in any way. So again, yes, you're putting words in my mouth, and judge me on your interpretation of my words, instead of judging me on what I said, because what I said doesn't follow what you want to hear.

Anyway, I'm out.

>> No.6633140
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>>6633116
>"no im not implying"
>heavily implies and makes it his whole argument
>makes all sort of claims
>doesn't explain or elaborate on ANYTHING AT ALL
>"No, i'm right because [insert appeal to authority here]
It still doesn't explain why I AS A PRIVATE CONSUMER should be paying for a meaningless service which i explained why it is useless and superfluous due to the horrendous state of the site.
But your argument then follows:
>"BUT IT WILL MAKE THEM MONEY BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING HURR DURR GOTCHA NOW PAY FOR THE BLUE CHECKMARK BIGOT"
Can't blame the other Anons for saying you have Musk's dick in your mouth.
>inb4 b-b-b-but ur twisting muh words agaom ur baiting waaaaah
Nigger, you argue like a low iq shill and then play the victim card.

You lost the argument. I win and that means Blue Checkmark is shit and no one should pay for it.
Now you have to kill yourself because if you still live your life while being this much of a retarded nigger, death would be the better alternative and i can even objectively elaborate and explain why being a retarded nigger like you isn't being worth alive.

>> No.6633145

>>6633140
pretty sure you're a psychopath

>> No.6633147

>>6631819
this

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>>6633145
Still not an argument as to why someone should pay for a useless service based on the brand/company offering it and its previous financial success with other products and services.

>> No.6633227

>>6633140
This nigga same fagged his argument to win because this dumbass was right.
>>6630750
What a fucking loser.
anyway, I paid for the service cause fuck it, I'm not a poor fag. Stay mad at my money being wasted.

>> No.6633295

>>6633140
>You lost the argument. I win
13yo

>> No.6633392

>>6631475
Lol

(PS I'm on mobile tapping this message rn.)

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>>6630491
I know everyone's dunking on you to be contration or whatever but I can say that I stopped posting art there completely. There's no point when 1. Not shelling out the shekels means getting buried under the algorithm and 2. I don't trust that albino African with my data.

Also the whole site culture is worse than it's ever been, which is really saying something. It's just not enjoyable to scroll through anymore even with a mountain of blocks and filters.

>> No.6633667

>>6632852
>twitter is still running smooth
Paid shill, the site's been fucking up in new ways almost daily. The notifs work when they feel like it and the for you section randomly decides to repeat itself after a set amount of scrolling. Not to mention the site on fucking MOBILE completely crashes for no reason. I'm lucky enough to not need support for anything because anyone who does has been fucked.

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