/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6583283

>>6583933
Here are the past 2 nights of animation practice. Any tips on how I can best improve?

What flaw sticks out the most?

He has a body now

xP I try

>>6584616
Nice movement anon

>>6583933
ayo where he goin

where are the /atg/ chads at??

with a heavy heart i inform you motorpen has fallen
motordev if ur still here thanks for the good times we had so far : D

Anyone else has those weird vertical lines in OpenToonz when drawing stuff ?

>>6586342
anotha' one

>>6586607

thanks for noticing, motorpen is up - guess it got stuck on a reboot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSVLlJTdD_g&t=64s

bump

>>6587058
we are so back : DDD

>>6588104
>>6587058
>>6586607
While I like the idea behind this, I dislike not being able to put a title, signature, link, ANYTHING on it if you are going to watermark it and use it on your gallery

>>6588315

the gallery is optional lol. So you want to add a description or just a title? sounds easy enough

>>6586342
Thats really good.

>>6588560
I want a way to find the artist that made an animation as easy as I can see the MOTORPEN
Like I see some cool shit and I think "I want to see more of this nigga's shit"
For that, I need the artist to have a way to imput some text
Some will use it to post nigger nigger
Some will use it to post their handles and I'll be able to find them
The gallery being optional or not is not my problem

I had an animation question if anyone here can answer it for me:
So I'm planning on doing a short Spidey animation just to practice dynamic perspective and camera movement, and I was wondering if I should start with the figure itself or if I should start by mapping out the environment and the camera angles the figure will be moving through instead
I'm just starting to learn how to use perspective grids but starting a more complex animation like that is where I'm sort of stuck

Did this past two days. Are my like gestures / poses strong enough? And any other tips

>>6586342
>>6586816
Fucking love this

>>6587982
This too

>>6589787
>fucking love this
tysm anon glad you like!

>are gestures and poses strong enough
the bounces are pretty cool but the kick might need more of a wind up and snap, the posture doesn't seem to adapt to the energy needed to do a high kick like that

>>6583933
>>6583938
P.S ive seen your stuff in the past, you make some cool ass stuff anon

>>6590306
>P.S ive seen your stuff in the past, you make some cool ass stuff anon

Thank you anon, I appreciate that.


I love the stuff you posted earlier. That stuff is on another level, any tips on how to level up my animation skills? I animate everyday, but I'm not sure what animation practice is going to get me to my best.

>>6583283
Anyone knows where to find the latest ToonBoom Haromy to download?

>>6590664
cgpeers/cgpersia and rutracker

Does this feel rushed? Like is it too fast? I can't tell if the poses are clear enough.

>>6584616
Omg Anon I’ve draw for you before!!
Very smooth movements,i really like how it is going,keep it up!

>>6586342
Woah,these are really sick! I love it,great job!

>>6591006
I really like this one,but maybe make the moviment less crunchy when the character falls,would look way better imo,in other hands,amazing job!

>>6590310
>on another level
damn I don't think I'm that good, but I'm glad people enjoy

>level up my animation skills
I mean, for character animation I do a shit ton of daily gesture studies that are under a minute or two, few pages of those in the morning and some style studies from artists I like, but trust me I'm in no position to be giving advice, I'm still a student so I'm always looking for ways to level up my stuff too

>>6588602

gotcha, thank you for the feedback :)

>>6587084
what the hell this is good

>>6591006

i do think its a little quick. the posing is good, but its a matter of too much at once on the pose where he gets on his knees. you dont need that second anticipation, unless hes getting up very slowly or moving very little before this. the timing and posing is good except for that little bit i think

doodle to hopefully help illustrate what i mean. your strong posing already anticipates the next movement, you just need to trim the fat in the middle.

following up on this >>6591034 anons advice, the fall looks crunchy because the animation is at 12fps (or less) while the camera move is at 24/25 fps. in most western tv animation, when theres a big camera move like this, they animate at a higher framerate until the camera move is over, then they swicth back to 12fps. animate at a higher framerate here, or make the camera move a lower framerate to match (this might be kind of nauseating though, animating more frames is generally the better option)

a small thing that will help sell your character is sliding along the ground is actually drawing the ground plane with a perspective grid on it, or some texture/ rough features, so he actually has an environment to slide over. it isnt sold as well if hes in the void. making a character feel part of the environment and not a floating bit of decoration is a skill too

ive been liking your work a lot here so far, looking forward to seeing more

>9
https://files.catbox.moe/37tgp9.mp4

The past 2 nights of work

I'm really happy with the yell, and the drawn frames of the breathing at the end, but it feels too rushed. I ran through the inital breathing part, so that needs work. An undiciplined impatience on my part. Other than that, does it seem too rushed overall? Should I have given each stage more time

>>6591457
Btw, thank you anon, that little extra anticipation was me trying to slide his legs under him to get on his knees, but I prob could have done that in one move. I appreciate your insight.

>ive been liking your work a lot here so far, looking forward to seeing more
Thanks anon :) appreciate that

>>6583283
I'm just starting , this is one of the fews animation i made yet because illumination kamek looks fun

>>6586342
KINO !

>>6586342
>>6586816
These are fantastic

Does anyone know if the video version of the Animators Survival Kit is uploaded anywhere? All the torrents for it are dead even if they show a couple seeders, and the only place I can find it to buy looks a bit shadey.

>>6596551
the paperback looks like its $20 on amazon, not too bad to be honest

>>6596080
>>6596085
thanks anon!

>>6596581
video version. I have the paperback version and used to have a rip of all the dvds, but lost it all in a power surge and now I can’t find any uploads of the video series as the internet has gotten a lot smaller.

do you say gif or jif for Graphics Image File?
till admit jif flows better but ive always said gif lol

anyone know good opentunez tutorial for a beginner? I have no idea how to use it

>>6596551
looks like its on both rutracker and cgpeers

>>6583283
Is there a way to move an erasing path on CSP like picrel? Or do i need to move the black paint (in this case).

>>6597221
do you mean, have a picture be superimposed on top of a moving shape?

you could probably take the background image and clip it on top, but i dont use csp for animation so i dont know. these things are usually done in post production with after effects or similar

>>6596551
try libgen

>>6597205
>private trackers
Fug. Guess I’ll just be glad it’s still being shared somewhere.. I’m surprised it hasn’t been uploaded to an archive or mega by now, but I guess a lot of people don’t know the dvd versions exist.

How do I make the animation of the hair look smoother here?

>>6598047
lag it a couple more frames behind the head movement at the end

>>6597582
>have a picture be superimposed on top of a moving shape
I think it's more like making the "invisible ink" moves because i would like an animation over other with a moving background, and both animations have some moving holes that show the background, but upper animation wont show lower one, only background (picrel). Hence the need to put the "erasing form" between the two animations and moving along the upper one (to hide the lower only when the upper passes by a part of it). But what you said is also useful it would get this pendulum one right, thanks.

>>6598234
I think i have found a way around it! Using a non vector eraser in a vector layer, the eraser becomes an object.

How many layers of audio do you need for an animation to not sound like amateur dogshit or a bad video game?

And do any of you guize have any experience or advice on "dimensionalizing" audio? Like if I pan the camera around and want my ambient traffic noise to sound like it's reacting accordingly and going around your head?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-nweqhhHM
Disappointing that the apple was fake.

I hate animating in csp
I want to go back to gimp
I know it sucks but it is the shit I know
thanks for listening to my blog

>>6593973
holy shit I love this

>>6601155
You're welcome

>>6601189
Thanks anon :)
def one of my favorite things I've done
rushed the start of it though.

Just finished this one with OpenToonz.

stimpy stompy

>>6602397
Thumbnail looks like a bid headed girl.

>>6601354
extremely ucanny

how to color an animation?

>>6602417
Depends, what are you trying to colour/ what kind of animation are you trying to emulate?

>>6602397
very kino anon, a gem ive found recently is a gendesign seminar on how to animate giant characters, although its in runes its still extremely valuable
https://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1345995.html
https://youtu.be/o3JqJoQrd6Y

>>6602436
swag, thanks for the recommendations brotha'

finally got this fucker done and ready to be seen, it turned out way more abstract than I wanted it to, but that's what happens when you only work on it every couple of months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PzU66FObkc

>>6603212
hell yeah I've missed your stuff anon

>>6603212
Congratz man.

once again bumping with the big guy, Gooey edition

first time in my life touching animation, how did i do fellas? i just parroted whatever tricks animators used with no knowledge of how it works

>>6583283
I want her to play with my ball like that if you catch my drift
She needs some correction ;)

Which is a good animation software for iPad, Callipeg or Toonsquid?

>>6599155
I don't think there are teachers or courses for this, just analysis of examples, copying and practice.

Good morning I still hate csp there is no intuitive way of opening a project as layers as in gimp and also none of the tutorials I found assume you are starting the whole program from zero the temptation of going back to the shitty program I know is getting stronger I still have to use cap and cut anyway to put the pieces of together because I am capped at 24 frames
Thanks for listening to my blog

>>6604352
What's stopping you from switching back to gimp? Don't force yourself to use a program you don't like just for the industry standard meme, unless gimp is missing something that you want.

>>6604460
having to put back all the layers to test it is super annoying, also it has no tablet support whatsover so drawing is a pain, and the onion layers and the autoactions are too useful, plus better pens

CSP is considerably better for drawing for me now but the learning curve is painful
I just probably dont want to learn new things anymore

>>6601354
Anon, no doubt you worked hard on this but it doesn't look good.
Don't give up though.

>>6604463
You should just put on a phat beat

>>6604463
>I just probably dont want to learn new things anymore
I feel that
Gimp has tablet support, you just have to enable the tablet in edit->input devices then turn on dynamics for the brush you're using. I have no clue why tablets aren't enabled by default.
I think there's animation plugins that add onion layers, might also be a plugin gives you an easier alternative to the layers problem. Not trying to shill gimp (I'm a kritard myself) but there's always other options to explore.

>>6604496
I tried the plugins things but it was kind of shitty
I used krita for a long time, no problems with it but gimp is no good for animating
It is just that I miss the evil I know

>>6604510
That's a shame, never used gimp plugins but I thought they might be like blender plugins. Blender plugins are always really nice.
Ganbatte, csp anon.

>>6601354
So anon, the reason the other anons said this looked uncanny and not that good, I'd say would come down to 70% timing.

Your art is still /beg/ level, but you could make this alot better without changing your drawing skills yet.

Her arm moving up and brushing her hair is all done on 1's I imagine, only moving the arm a hair each frame. This does make it "smoother" but not life like. determine the speed at which she brushes her hair.

Maybe at the start she has a 5 frames raising her arms, 2-3 frames of her brushing it, and 4-5 of her arm returning. (just throwing out numbers) it may look less smooth, but it will be much less uncanny.

Wrapping it up, basically, the best animation isn't where you draw things 1 frame at a time, only moving it a hair, but understanding the timing and spacing. And figuring out where the frames you need to draw are.

Look up some videos on animation timing and spacing, they'll explain it better than I can

Hey /atg/
I finished my shortfilm and wanted to share it with you.

I used to post WIPs from this proyect in the past so maybe some of you remember them.

https://youtu.be/Kba44EOV6r8

cheers

>>6606604
I'm proud of you anon.

>>6606604
Verry cool my dude.

https://youtu.be/UDOxOZrUCYc
Just made a short little horror animation, my 2nd project

>>6606604
congrats anon good job

>>6606604
Great work anon, i know how insanely hard it is to take a short films all the way through to completion. The animation and story was really charming

>>6606604
I am really suprised what people from here create. This film is an actual artwork, it's great, I like it. Congrats!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8iF5rgej3Q

i won 6th place and $50 prizemoney for this yayyyyy

lol

>>6608538
>>6608534
>>6608517
>>6607226
>>6607206
Many thanks. I hope it serves as an inspiration for you guys. Do things, time passes anyways and suddenly you have on your hands something that did not exist before you started
YAGMI

I appreciate that one industry professional anon from March for giving me advice in a previous thread

>>6609060
bro no joke this has potential of being something great, might want to consider reaching out to people that could bring this into a full series or movie(i have no idea who those people would be) seriously good luck with whatever you create next

hello /atg/
got a paid streaming asset animation job for you
anyone looking for simple animation work, assets have been created just need simple animations done that will be used as stream notifications/pop ups
its less graphic design more traditional animation
if your interested add me, preferably have some past work to show me/post itt
Jankson#6996

Does anyone have any of Howard Wimshurst motion lab stuff

I want to get better at story boarding. Where to start? Aside from fundamentals of anatomy, perspective.

>>6613007
Watch a couple videos on composition?

>>6613491
Thank you. I also wonder, about learning about how films and scene counting or whatever works?? What technical film jargon do you have to know? How does the spacing work? Or am I overthinkin it?

>>6589787
Watch someone do a kick. Also the squash / stretch at the end cheapens this by a lot. Remove for instant improvement.

>>6613007
first things first you gotta be able to draw a character off the fly with just a model sheet for reference
but if u wanna get some real practice in try pausing episodes you like and reverse engineering a storyboardfrom it
not a complete storyboard even just thumbnailing will teach yu loads more than watching some failed artist youtuber's video essay

bump for sake

>>6613007
I'd say your basic steps are:

>study basic film language and shots. closeup, medium, wide, high and low angles. also study camera moves (dont be afraid to move the camera around). how they affect a scene, etc. this is really simple day 1 film school stuff https://www.seenit.io/blog/6-basic-camera-movements-and-why-they-matter/
>study sequences you really like from movies, shows, whatever. SEQUENCES, not just individual shots
>just draw

the big thing to remember: your storyboard isnt a comic book, a series of drawings, or a sketch. its your FILM. its just in its simplest form, but its still a film. someone should watch your boards and get basically the same emotional impact as the final film- if they dont, scrap parts and fix. thinking of your storyboard as a film already will put you in a better headspace for boarding interesting shots and improve your boards. when people think of them as a series of drawings things can get boring and static

if your film language is good already and you want to learn technicals, especially in line with tv animation general standards, heres a couple handy resources. these are just to make your storyboard shorthand cleaner for TV production and might be helpful
https://www.tumblr.com/kingofooo/161105648449/by-storyboard-supervisor-erik-fountain-a-few
https://twitter.com/ani_obsessive/status/1386296768778969088
https://twitter.com/Hug_bees/status/1564775855246544897?t=a0oynb_Kf82-IigbjjnkFA&s=19
https://twitter.com/Hug_bees/status/1171958903459864578

and make sure you look at richard williams animators guide, some storyboard artists these days are basically keyframe animators and having some animation skill helps a lot with timing and strong posing

apart from that, fundies is the way. hope this helps

>>6609262
i wouldnt say im a professional (im a junior animator), but cheers, im glad i could help! this is a lot stronger, i like the over extension on the hair

Is Macromedia flash 8 viable to use in 2023? Its pretty nostalgic and comfy.

>>6617014
a lot of programs are based on flash, and the tools are mostly the same across platforms, so yeah for sure. it has annoying quirks but its viable

Does anyone know where I can find an example of a hand drawn animation done at 60 fps? I'm not looking for something done at 24 or 30 and then upscale with AI or something, but rather something actually drawn for 60 fps. I understand completely that 60 fps is probably not good for hand drawn animation, I'm just really curious to see what it looks like. I've tried googling but I just get a bunch of results about AI upscaling.

boomp

>>6617187
Try it yourself and upload the results.

>>6607564
Kino.

>>6617566
kinography in motion

someone have the template for the caramel dance?

>>6617566
love it

>>6617187
https://youtu.be/-ZnxYYABLww

Here's one at 48fps. Btw make sure to change the video quality to one of the settings that actually supports 48fps.

>>6583283
Can anyone give an opinion about my animation?
https://youtu.be/zoreFvfINWo

Bullshit question, but im a student, and I'm going to Japan. I meant for it to be a study abroad, but the program cancelled, leaving me with a weeklong trip to Japan i'm stuck with. Is there anything animation/art related I should consider exploring if given the chance? I'd love to make connections there, or at least get to know people in that field, but don't know where to start.

>>6618325
I really like it,kinda gives me “Lenore:The cute little dead girl” vibes but with more action,something tells me you’re efforting too much tho? I cant really explain it…other than that,very good job bro! Keep it up!

>>6619288
>leaving me with a weeklong trip to Japan i'm stuck with
some people get stuck with arthritis or ibs so I'd say you're coming out on top
I've heard some publishers do scheduled tours for fans, and you can meet whatever random mangaka might be there at the time. Could be bs, I've never fact checked it. If true, some animation studios might do the same.

>>6583283
imagine her doing that to your balls haha pretty weird huh?

>>6619592
I was just saying if there was any places or meetups or whatnot going on in like May that I could look into?

What percentage of the budget in an ok-animated anime (not sakuga but not trash) usually goes for the animation?
I can't find any reliable info on google or maybe I'm not looking well enough. But I'm really curious.

>>6619951
If you listen to small studios talks, it's about 99% of money left from deducting studio maintenance costs. Budgets there are really small and barely cover those really small wages of animators.

windows no longer shows thumbnails for my webm files from motorpen
anyone else getting this issue?
any possible fixes?
shits so fucking annoying

I can't stop animating straight ahead and my keyframes keep becoming a tangled mess

>>6623131
May I see your tangled straight ahead animation?

>>6622072
figured out a solution
had too download an addon app for windows called icaros to create thumbnails

Is there a porn animation market?
How much do you figure commissions go for?

>>6596079
Great start!

how do you get consistant linework between frames

>>6583283
why does this gif piss me off? is it autism?

>>6624767
No lineweight. Or predetermined scale value for it- min- max size allowed.

>>6624770
Yes.

>>6624771
what about coloring and things like gradients?

>>6619951
You did this?
If not,at least credit the artist
Umezawaitte(Fanbox)

>>6625515
or people can just click iqdb next to the image

>>6619394
>“Lenore:The cute little dead girl”
Wow, thank you for the reference!!!
This is exactly the type of stuff I love, strange I never seen it before!

I agree, I've made a few over-the-top attempts at my animation, I wanted to make things dynamic, and gone overboard by both how fun it was, and to experiment with how far can I push background animation.

I think it was a successful attempt, I learned new ways to animate in that video, glad I pushed it, but it's funny how you managed to feel it through!

What are some non animation related courses or books I should try to improve my drawing skills/fundamentals for animation?

I've been doing Brent Eviston's "art and science of drawing" course to impove on my fundamentals and it's great. But I don't think doing stuff like measuring proportions with my pencil is going to help me with my animation drawings.
Also for context I'm not a total beg

>>6583283

>>6618325
amazing how long did that take to make?

>>6626153
imo the stanchfield gesture drawing books and gottfried bammes anatomy books were good for getting an unconscious feel for proportions

>>6628548
v nice
maybe delay/advance the tits a frame or two to break sync

>>6626153
VILPPU. He taught at Disney for like 40 years.

>>6628777

>>6628770
Thanks, anon! I was trying to figure out what was off!

>>6628551
about 4 months, but not consistent work, had life on the way and other projects.

>>6583283
I used Opentoonz for a little bit, and the one thing that bothers me is the UI. Some of it is annoying, in certain regards. Does anyone have tips on reorganizing the OpenToonz workspace, and tips in general?